Speaker 1: Now we're ready, So Bill, say nothing yet, don't Bill
Speaker 1: will introduced. I shouldn't say anything. This is going to
Speaker 1: be amazing. You don't want me to say any nothing. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh boy, we're rolling roll on that Bill trying to
Speaker 1: tell Bill and say nothing. So there really no really today?
Speaker 1: Hi j Hello Peter. First of all, welcome everybody to
Speaker 1: really know really on Jason, Alexander here, Peter Tilden and
Speaker 1: um and I'm my first request is he can't even
Speaker 1: really know really come from? You know? I was clearly
Speaker 1: not a fan of the show. When I tell Bill, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you're ready? You want that? I've never heard of you.
Speaker 1: Have you just begun or is this begun? Yes? And
Speaker 1: if you had waited for us to do the interest
Speaker 1: and this is why I was explaining, but I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to be with you. I didn't you know, It's
Speaker 1: like it's enough of the four players. You're excited prematurely. Bill.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be excited prematurely. They've told me that
Speaker 1: don't use the word prematurely. You know what. There are
Speaker 1: pictures flown around my head now that is exactly so
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is that there's many really
Speaker 1: really no really, Bill is it comes from the premise
Speaker 1: of the show, is that we didn't and I explore
Speaker 1: things that make us go really really no really, and
Speaker 1: then we get we try and delve into those things.
Speaker 1: And who's saying the quizzical really and who is saying
Speaker 1: affirmative that goes back and forth? Look at him? This
Speaker 1: isn't man, See how he'd let me tell you something
Speaker 1: about Bill shot. The thing I learned about Bill a
Speaker 1: couple things is you are honest and I mean this Bill,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, seriously, you're the most inquisitive guy. You
Speaker 1: go to a restaurant with Bill. First of all, he's
Speaker 1: a force of nature. You say no dessert, and he goes, yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: bring all the dessert. All they just you know, he
Speaker 1: got me on a horse at a horse show. I
Speaker 1: hadn't been in a horse. I'm on a horse. He
Speaker 1: gets people to do stuff, yeah, against their wild But
Speaker 1: he's the most inquisitive. I really regret putting you on
Speaker 1: horse a horse laughing about still to this day they understand,
Speaker 1: but you aren't. Aren't you the most inquisitive guy that
Speaker 1: you know? Well before you ask him if he's inquisitive
Speaker 1: the whole premise of our really, because you want to
Speaker 1: know how how did you come to be part of
Speaker 1: our really? Know? First of all, how did you guys
Speaker 1: meet a week way? He takes over every now it's now, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just curious how the same way we did the
Speaker 1: same way we did too, really swell guys who are
Speaker 1: really among the most talented in town. Uh, well, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna tell no. Both of you are
Speaker 1: the most talented in your fields, really the most talented
Speaker 1: people in your field. How the two of you get together?
Speaker 1: What is We met on his on the show? We
Speaker 1: met on his radio? He hasn't He didn't do a
Speaker 1: radio show. He ran an orphanage. He would pick up
Speaker 1: people and put them in his home. Only people who
Speaker 1: were startling, only people of special Bill, do you remember
Speaker 1: when you and I first met? Wasn't it on a
Speaker 1: set you were doing that half hour show? Nope? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're all in suspense. My best friends in the world
Speaker 1: approached you to have lunch with me for my thirty
Speaker 1: fifth birthday, and you met me at a Roma cafe.
Speaker 1: We had never spoken to each other, that's right, And
Speaker 1: I had no idea you were coming It was a
Speaker 1: complete surprise to me. And then I sat down and
Speaker 1: you came in and went, Hi, I'm Bill, I'm your
Speaker 1: I'm your birthday gift. And it took me ten minutes
Speaker 1: before I could speak because, as you know, but I
Speaker 1: will tell our audience, I truly was started to steer
Speaker 1: towards the idea of becoming an actor because of how
Speaker 1: much I idolized you and your worst You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. I mean, I don't remember that. What
Speaker 1: what do you mean you were steering toward what were
Speaker 1: you doing while you were When I was a kid.
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, the only thing I
Speaker 1: was really interested in was magic. I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to be a magician. But you couldn't wait, wait,
Speaker 1: this is so sad, though ready for this. So the
Speaker 1: kids in his bedroom studying close up magic for years
Speaker 1: and then he goes to do it and he's got
Speaker 1: baby hands. You can't hide anything. You can't hide anything.
Speaker 1: I have a three month old grandson. He's got bigger
Speaker 1: hands than idea. So he couldn't do all that time
Speaker 1: and then couldn't do it. Yeah, so you gave up
Speaker 1: the idea of being a magician, right, I started doing
Speaker 1: We moved and the theater kids were the first kids
Speaker 1: to pick me up. So I was playing, you know,
Speaker 1: with with theater and stuff. But I had I didn't
Speaker 1: think about being an actor. And then it was watching
Speaker 1: you and watching you work both both certainly certainly on
Speaker 1: Star Trek, but but I knew what about you? Where's
Speaker 1: your background? Where did you get He's interviewing us, my
Speaker 1: my backwards? Who was in Philly? I was in Who cares?
Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Nobody cares. They're not tuning in for us.
Speaker 1: I drove out here one day and really, no, really,
Speaker 1: he's got it. He's going to take this. No. I
Speaker 1: actually I was doing advertising. Question he's not in charge here.
Speaker 1: I know he's ran an entire fleet. All right, fine,
Speaker 1: do what you want to do. I'll make it. So
Speaker 1: I was an advertise and I go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: this is our entire relationship. Go ahead, N asked you.
Speaker 1: A lastion should be all email you later. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have equal time email you. Oh yeah, that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but with the two of you. So no, I was
Speaker 1: gonna have equal time just as long as the pay remained.
Speaker 1: I was an advertising I was doing stuff for radio.
Speaker 1: Are you sharing the pay by the way, are you
Speaker 1: splitting it down down the middle? It depends where you
Speaker 1: put the middle. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Is there a fee?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Are you being paid bill? By
Speaker 1: the way, the guy that's happened your agent? Can we
Speaker 1: have your agent? Whoever? Your agent is your agent. So
Speaker 1: anyway I got into radio. I got into radio accidentally
Speaker 1: because I was handling radio Surgion doing their creative. They said,
Speaker 1: you're pretty funny. They put me on. I moved out
Speaker 1: to California, not knowing anybody out here, and did it
Speaker 1: and was too stupid to know that I should be afraid,
Speaker 1: and went on and just had a blast. And so
Speaker 1: he had a Western country music radio to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, I ended up in country years for years,
Speaker 1: and I met all kinds of people because I'd go
Speaker 1: on the show. I'd be doing a horse show, a
Speaker 1: charity horse show. So every year I would promise the
Speaker 1: people who are giving me money, the patrons, the donors,
Speaker 1: that I would get them some publicity. So I'd look
Speaker 1: for everywhere it could go. Like still to this day,
Speaker 1: it's been thirty five years. I've been putting on the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Charity horse show and over the course of years,
Speaker 1: who I've raised four hundred, five hundred thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year over thirty five years. It's millions and millions of
Speaker 1: dollars for veterans and for kids, you know, horses and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I met Brad Paisley on so there's Brad like
Speaker 1: where you are and we're talking and I don't remember
Speaker 1: why Paisley and I continued on, but we became friends.
Speaker 1: Brad and I became friends. And as a result, I've
Speaker 1: appeared on so many of his videos and I tell
Speaker 1: you something that you don't know, and he's sung on
Speaker 1: many of my albums. What you don't remember because people
Speaker 1: are intimidated by you, I am a little less so
Speaker 1: because we've been around each other long time. I asked you, listen,
Speaker 1: I asked you. I asked you because it's true. I
Speaker 1: asked you. Would you be in a video with bread past?
Speaker 1: He said, nod, Pa, I don't know. So I invited
Speaker 1: you on the show with Brad. I've never told you
Speaker 1: this with Brad there you met him on the show,
Speaker 1: and I asked you live on the show. Then if
Speaker 1: you do the videos, of course, of course, of course
Speaker 1: I'll do the video because you fell in love with
Speaker 1: Brad been to have two videos later, one of which
Speaker 1: Jason directed, one Taylor Swift Right, Jason, we were together
Speaker 1: and I remember very you showed up that day. You
Speaker 1: were so act. Well. I'm continuing to direct and we'll talk.
Speaker 1: I have work for you, but you mentioned two things.
Speaker 1: I want to and there really is for me and
Speaker 1: I want to get to the bottom. So you talked
Speaker 1: about the horse chair. Wait a minute, will you work
Speaker 1: for me what I have worked for you? Don't worry
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. I'm producing and directing things.
Speaker 1: If they come to fruition. You're a made man. You
Speaker 1: are solid, you are my You're my Luca Brazzi and
Speaker 1: or that got them laughing. The mob is what he laughs.
Speaker 1: But if my question talked about the horse charity, what
Speaker 1: here's my first question with you in the horses. You're
Speaker 1: you're a nice Jewish boy from Canada. What's with you
Speaker 1: in the horses? How did you? How did it come
Speaker 1: to be horses? Is it all animals for you or
Speaker 1: is it something unique about horses that speaks to you.
Speaker 1: I think having bred a lot of dogs and a
Speaker 1: lot of horses and seeing characteristics like you know that
Speaker 1: famous experiment uh in Russia where they took several silver
Speaker 1: wild silver foxes from the wild from the nature and
Speaker 1: they put him in a cage and domestic tried to
Speaker 1: domesticate them. Then took out of their litters the most
Speaker 1: friendly and they did about forty generation tooks about twenty years.
Speaker 1: At the end of twenty years after they were breeding
Speaker 1: for characteristics which were gentleness and and and environmentally you know,
Speaker 1: a pleasant being, not biting. I guess ultimate they had
Speaker 1: foxes in the wild don't don't bark. They they they
Speaker 1: they have a sharp cry. The foxes turned from silver
Speaker 1: to brown and white, started barking. They started wagging their tail,
Speaker 1: where foxes don't wag the time they became dogs in
Speaker 1: forty generations about twenty years. Horses can send along through
Speaker 1: their DNA characteristics that you breed for speed or domesticity
Speaker 1: or whatever the characters within the a person's lifetime. You
Speaker 1: can breed characteristics that's got to apply in human beings.
Speaker 1: So I think that human beings have in their DNA
Speaker 1: characteristics that were part of the background. I think that
Speaker 1: on the steps of Russia, at Poland and Lithuania, my
Speaker 1: background is filled with people who loved horses, and so
Speaker 1: although growing up in Canada, I had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with horses except once got on a horse and galloped around,
Speaker 1: and I was perfectly at home. It took until middle
Speaker 1: age before the whole idea of horses and breeding and
Speaker 1: riding and competing came to me. Then, as a result
Speaker 1: of that and this theory I have of the of
Speaker 1: the universe taking care of me. And that's the really
Speaker 1: the theme of my book Boldly Go, which is out
Speaker 1: there now, is that you saw you work, If you
Speaker 1: if you are aware, if you're whether it's prayer or
Speaker 1: contemplation or just being aware of you and the universe,
Speaker 1: the universe seems to take care of you. And that's
Speaker 1: what's happened to me. I think the universe has taken
Speaker 1: care of me through all the can you would you
Speaker 1: understand if I used the word because or I sure
Speaker 1: that happened to me? Over translate the word, translate the
Speaker 1: word for people who don't know, cause a ry means
Speaker 1: cause or I okay, very good, very good, nicely done.
Speaker 1: This is what you did on my password or whatever
Speaker 1: where you end up throwing your chair? Did you throw
Speaker 1: a chair on password because you gave away the password accidentally.
Speaker 1: Did that really happen? Everything really had? Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question. I asked the question about horses I got.
Speaker 1: Let me ask be ready for this to answer you
Speaker 1: a question kind of here. Listen, listen, listen, So Blue Argent,
Speaker 1: Blue Argin. We didn't interview you right after because we
Speaker 1: didn't have this thing launched yet, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: watch your reaction to a lot of people. And I
Speaker 1: was moved by you, knowing you you were genuinely moved.
Speaker 1: But I got to ask you this. Jason and I
Speaker 1: are talking about this and we say, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean this to be indelicate, but we're there contingency plans.
Speaker 1: Do they talk to you because something could go wrong
Speaker 1: once that thing launches, if somebody not necessarily has a
Speaker 1: heart attack on launch, as Jason says to me yesterday,
Speaker 1: you can't pull over? What can't pull they do they
Speaker 1: have a defibrillator? What do they do they have? Or
Speaker 1: are you stuck if something goes wrong? So there's a countdown.
Speaker 1: First of all, we all remember the the Zeppelin, the
Speaker 1: thing that burned in New Jersey, Hindenburg. So the Hindenburg burned.
Speaker 1: You know what burned in the Hinderburg. It was well
Speaker 1: the day the gas exploded, right, what was the gas hydrogen? Helium? Hydrogen? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hydrogen burned. Do you know what they're putting in the
Speaker 1: tank of the hydrogen. I'm sitting there on my back thinking, geez,
Speaker 1: hydrogen and the countdown stair and before the countdown, and
Speaker 1: they've got a gantry up against it. You know, you
Speaker 1: go through the gantry into the celebant flights up so
Speaker 1: again in lie down and then they closed the door
Speaker 1: and then a voice, the moderator of the guy's voice
Speaker 1: of all right, now, if anybody wants to leave, they
Speaker 1: should leave now because we're removing the gantry. If anybody
Speaker 1: wants to leave, leave now. What are they talking about?
Speaker 1: Why would you want to leave? You? I can think
Speaker 1: about a furlough list. So did they give you a
Speaker 1: contingency if it takes off and somebody has a heart
Speaker 1: attack on the way up, or somebody gets sick? Is
Speaker 1: there a doctor on the crew? Is there anybody if something? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: you're you're dead, floating, You're dead and floating you're you're yes,
Speaker 1: you're floating. Wow, did they bring it ubably did they Presumably,
Speaker 1: the g's going up and the GE's coming down will
Speaker 1: bring you back to life, because they're so oh really
Speaker 1: not really elocious. Wow, that's what they tell you. Do
Speaker 1: you believe it? No? I didn't either. Don't any sense
Speaker 1: will revive you? And then you had a very different
Speaker 1: experience from what I what I would have end anticipated
Speaker 1: you if I understood the statement you made correctly. It
Speaker 1: was an awesome experience, but you wound up having a
Speaker 1: kind of a depression response to it. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: I've been you know what Rachel Carson is? Yeah, I know, sure,
Speaker 1: you know. She wrote a book Silent Spring, many many
Speaker 1: years ago. I read it was completely influenced by She
Speaker 1: anticipated global warming by sixty years. So I've been an ecologist,
Speaker 1: so to speak, for sixty years. I've made ecological films.
Speaker 1: I've gone around many parts of the world making a
Speaker 1: show that has long gone now called The Voice of Gaya.
Speaker 1: I think m Guya being the goddess of the of
Speaker 1: the Earth and looking at the spots that were crumbling
Speaker 1: even thirty years ago. So I'm very much aware of
Speaker 1: the approaching tsuna of terrible things that you and I
Speaker 1: in our advanced age will avoid because we'll die before
Speaker 1: it happens. But that grandchild you referred to a moment
Speaker 1: ago is in deep okay because of what's what we're
Speaker 1: anticipating going to happen. Even if we were to start
Speaker 1: now getting the carbon out of the Earth, it's too
Speaker 1: late for a lot of things and not to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm so much aware of that, And I'm so much
Speaker 1: aware of the intricate, extraordinary, magical, unbelievable connection between us
Speaker 1: and the and this thing we call Earth, everything everything.
Speaker 1: But but you, you you can't even imagine. I mean,
Speaker 1: what I just learned the other day missed from the
Speaker 1: Brazilian forests the moisture. Because the sun lifts in a cloud,
Speaker 1: it now becomes a mist. It's so high, it's high
Speaker 1: enough that it becomes a cloud that is taken by
Speaker 1: the currents of air towards the Andes Mountains, thousands of
Speaker 1: miles away. It hits the Andes Mountains, it falls as rain.
Speaker 1: The rain loosens, diatoms from the granite which now enters
Speaker 1: the rivers becomes algae, which is alive. That makes that
Speaker 1: transition flows out of those rivers. All the big rivers
Speaker 1: the Brazilian rivers and into the ocean and becomes part
Speaker 1: of life already, just inert things from the Andes, from
Speaker 1: the Brazilian rainforest. I mean, everything is connected, and we're
Speaker 1: destroying them. And that's what I saw in that moment
Speaker 1: of this little rock that hit you up? Did it
Speaker 1: hit you up there? Did it? It's it's it's it's spirits.
Speaker 1: And people have mentioned it's called the overview effect, and
Speaker 1: a lot of astronauts have said that, whatever did it
Speaker 1: happen when you were up there? Did it? The sadness
Speaker 1: already begin when you look down and you're in account.
Speaker 1: I got off the excited Yeah, we were all excited.
Speaker 1: Oh we made it. And the door opens and get
Speaker 1: they give us a hand getting stuffy down. I get
Speaker 1: a handstack, you know, standing out, and I start to
Speaker 1: cry and I don't know why I am weeping. I
Speaker 1: don't know whether that's ever happened to you're you're crying
Speaker 1: for some emotional venue. What the hell am I? Why
Speaker 1: am I crying? And I'm crying so I can't stop.
Speaker 1: And it takes me an hour two or three sitting
Speaker 1: by myself saying, oh my god, I'm in grief. What
Speaker 1: am I? Oh, my Lord, I've seen the earth and
Speaker 1: I've seen it in all its glory, the way it
Speaker 1: should be and the way I saw what it's going
Speaker 1: to be. And I was in this sadness, this grief
Speaker 1: over the death of the earth. So in another note,
Speaker 1: so far it's invigorating because anybody child is this is
Speaker 1: the upper segment. Anybody enhancing or insurance on you before
Speaker 1: you go, they have to get permission. Who I can
Speaker 1: imagine me come into my family. By the way, Bill
Speaker 1: doesn't say no too much. You've done paintball, You've hunted
Speaker 1: um Kodiak bear, which you said you regretted, You've done
Speaker 1: poker tours. You I don't know that. You say no
Speaker 1: with a bone arrow with a bone undone amazing stuff
Speaker 1: that nobody else you say, yes, they're just about everything.
Speaker 1: Do you have to run the largest paintball at that time?
Speaker 1: Five thousand people with charity? Five thousand people in a
Speaker 1: paintball game? Yeah? Can you imagine? And how do you amass?
Speaker 1: In Gary, Indiana, they have one hundred and seventy five
Speaker 1: acre paintball thing with all kinds of different environments. They've
Speaker 1: got villages, they've got out of Bill Rex. They got Temple,
Speaker 1: they got all kinds of things, and you go and
Speaker 1: play fifteen hundred people the face of Temple playing the
Speaker 1: face of Temple, that's Temple, and you think, oh Lord,
Speaker 1: don't assue me. Uh can I tell you a story
Speaker 1: about that? Who's gonna find who would stop those shotting
Speaker 1: from telling us? So there's three teams that looks very good.
Speaker 1: But it looks very good to tell us what jam? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What could be back hosting jam? It's my believable. Well,
Speaker 1: there's three teams of over fifteen hundred people to team.
Speaker 1: I'm on one, A manufacturer of paintball guns is in another,
Speaker 1: and I've forgotten I think, um, I've forgotten who the
Speaker 1: third one is. So you break every so often. Since
Speaker 1: there's fifteen hundred people, they call breaks for a hundred
Speaker 1: people go have lunch. So I'm standing in line with
Speaker 1: lunch with with the Elizabeth, my wife, and I hear
Speaker 1: crying behind me somebody. I turn around and it's a
Speaker 1: guy with a paintball pistol. And I'm supposed to assassinate
Speaker 1: you and I can't because I love you. I love you, mister,
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? Assassinator? Said, well, what's
Speaker 1: his name? Makes the guns? Shoot him and I'll give
Speaker 1: you a gun. Shoot him on the lunch line. On
Speaker 1: the lunch line a lot of a minute. Here's what
Speaker 1: I want to do. I explain what I want to do,
Speaker 1: and I take him out into this broidery that where
Speaker 1: paintballs are flying back and forth. Old, I surrender, and
Speaker 1: I've got the gun on the guy, the paintball gun.
Speaker 1: And why did I may get it? And there's a
Speaker 1: you get the most points if you can kill the
Speaker 1: captain of that team in his premises, sir, here we go.
Speaker 1: I've marched this kid, and I said, I'll get you
Speaker 1: the gun. Don't worry, I'll get you the gun. I
Speaker 1: marched this kid into the fort where the guy who
Speaker 1: makes the guns is captain. He sees me and I
Speaker 1: go oh, and I fake oh a heart attack. Look
Speaker 1: at this fall to the ground. He comes up to me.
Speaker 1: I've got three paintballs in my hand. I slammed them
Speaker 1: into him. I got him. I take the gun. I
Speaker 1: put the gun on the kid, I said, now marched
Speaker 1: me back. So the kid had ostensibly had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it. He gets his gun. I win the thing,
Speaker 1: and the guy is out and he never knew it
Speaker 1: until I told a lesson we weren't here is don't
Speaker 1: ever trust or turn your back on William Shotner so
Speaker 1: Blue Origin. Did you increase the insurance, but increase the
Speaker 1: insurance every day? Did you found out later the kids went, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just figured we'd do it. Or and did you
Speaker 1: have to run it the children? You have a wife.
Speaker 1: Did anybody come to you and say, don't you doing this?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Made? We made a documentary of
Speaker 1: my going up there once got very popular, and part
Speaker 1: of the documentary was they shot footage here at my
Speaker 1: home where my three girls and my wife are saying,
Speaker 1: you can't go, And I said, I'm going see but
Speaker 1: you could die. No, I won't die, But Bill, you could?
Speaker 1: You could? You did? You could know? But it's way
Speaker 1: up there. I mean the explosions, a thing on fire.
Speaker 1: There could be a fire in there, remember that fire. Now,
Speaker 1: all those astronauts dot, no, I'm gonna go. The Bill
Speaker 1: you can't go, and they're trying to convince me not
Speaker 1: to go. They really meant it too, not they meant
Speaker 1: it now. Do you still stay in touch with with Bezos?
Speaker 1: Did he call you at home? If you don't get
Speaker 1: a guy who's Amazon, does he call your homes you
Speaker 1: don't get a package in time? Can you pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and call his cell and say, Bill, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I ordered something. It was supposed to be here by three.
Speaker 1: I had a guy, a well known guy. I won't
Speaker 1: tell you his name, say to me, and I won't
Speaker 1: even tell you the amount of money, But the amount
Speaker 1: of money they offered me was incredible. Billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Bill Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, he just
Speaker 1: said billions of billions of dollars, millions of dollion, millions
Speaker 1: of dollars. If I would go to Jeff Bezos and
Speaker 1: see if he would buy this this thing that he
Speaker 1: was selling. Oh, did you do it? No? And that
Speaker 1: thing is Amazon. Bill didn't do it, not for the
Speaker 1: guy he went and sold it. You know that the
Speaker 1: smart idea? Did you ever did you think about? You know?
Speaker 1: This reminds me of that somebody did a great joke.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was. Maybe it was Robert
Speaker 1: Klein about Neil Armstrong had to be the classiest man
Speaker 1: ever because he goes to the moon, he steps on
Speaker 1: the moon and he says, one small step for man
Speaker 1: one giant lead from mankind. He said, you know, somebody
Speaker 1: must have come to him and said, I'll give you
Speaker 1: You'll be made for life if you step on the
Speaker 1: moon and say Coca cola? Right? Did you? Did anybody
Speaker 1: approach you to make a statement, like an endorsement or anything. People,
Speaker 1: all kinds of people, um came to me and said,
Speaker 1: if you'll take us up there. You know, there was
Speaker 1: a land, a prestigious thing if something went into space.
Speaker 1: So there were a number of people who said, if
Speaker 1: you take this into space, it becomes that much more valuable.
Speaker 1: The way people can't see this, who are just listening
Speaker 1: to your ordiver. Bill's doing a country. So he's texting
Speaker 1: somebody around to take another job. Bill, we will get
Speaker 1: seven jobs while we're when you want there. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I think he's doing. He's selling, he's buying. He's
Speaker 1: I was expecting, Bill, when you went to space, I'm
Speaker 1: going to open the gate when you went to space,
Speaker 1: I actually expected to. I expected you to wear a
Speaker 1: jumpsuit that had patches like a NASCAR driver, chewing tobacco,
Speaker 1: a preparation h your latest book, your latest TV show,
Speaker 1: A twenty million dollars flight preparation age. I just came
Speaker 1: to me, that's all. Why not do you think Bell?
Speaker 1: I have a question for you because I just saw
Speaker 1: you on the phone, and actually so I follow you
Speaker 1: on social media and I and I love doing that,
Speaker 1: but you do something that I really want to ask
Speaker 1: you about it, and that is you get people that
Speaker 1: take you on on social media. There haters, trolls, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call them. But unlike most celebrities, I
Speaker 1: see you right back to them and sometimes really them
Speaker 1: do they know? I understand? But you you, you are
Speaker 1: you are fearless about that. You really well, what are
Speaker 1: they gonna say? I hate you? Yeah? I know you
Speaker 1: bills for your list about a lot of stuff. Can
Speaker 1: I ask you this? Or one of the people works
Speaker 1: with this said, you know what? Ask Bill? What's it
Speaker 1: like being Bill Shiner? You've been You've been visible for
Speaker 1: sixty five years? You know, you're donnderstand My mother looked
Speaker 1: at me when I was born. I was visible then.
Speaker 1: But you go after the day, how do people? I mean,
Speaker 1: there's the there's a Star Trek in Santos, there's the
Speaker 1: Denny Crane. People. You've been doing this for so long,
Speaker 1: You're so visible how how what's that like being you
Speaker 1: and going to the CBS to get a prescription and
Speaker 1: doing your day. It's a little h hazardous. Do people?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you allow? Are you generally I get
Speaker 1: an injection as quickly as possible? Are you? Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you can move through the world like a
Speaker 1: normal person? Can you go to the movies? Can you
Speaker 1: go to a restaurant? Can you go to the dry cleaners?
Speaker 1: Can you run an errand and have a not without
Speaker 1: being uncomfortable? On the other hand, mostly as people say,
Speaker 1: you know, friendly high, but I'm somewhat I don't even
Speaker 1: know what the right word would be. It's like coughing
Speaker 1: when you it's not something you want to do, but
Speaker 1: you have to do it. Yeah, yeah, but everybody. It's
Speaker 1: like with Jason, you know what, it's weird. You go
Speaker 1: with certain people and three people out of ten can
Speaker 1: recognize and know who they are with him because of
Speaker 1: Seinfeld and what he's done. It's ten out of ten.
Speaker 1: Same with you. We go anywhere I watch from my
Speaker 1: POV everyone it begins, the ripple goes through and oh
Speaker 1: my god, And you mean so much to so many
Speaker 1: people in so many different ways. But that must be
Speaker 1: insane that everyone knows you when you go out. Well,
Speaker 1: both of you have both of you been to my house.
Speaker 1: You have, Yeah, so you know. I've got this giant
Speaker 1: screen which I just had enhanced about two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: In fact, that that Bell was the guy who fixed
Speaker 1: the screen on the sound a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: is working on another part of the house on another screen.
Speaker 1: So I've got eleven foot television screen. And I haven't
Speaker 1: had Monday Foot Monday on football because of all the stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I will as soon as we can, uh,
Speaker 1: and everything settles down, so I don't have to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: I can play movies. By the way, one of the
Speaker 1: great tragedies of my life is that the Academy is
Speaker 1: sending out screener uh, electronic movies, not blue yeah, blue thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you can do that. You can do that. I
Speaker 1: can't get on it. You have an it guy, you have.
Speaker 1: All I have to do is connect to your laptop,
Speaker 1: you download the movie, and you can project it to
Speaker 1: that screen. Trust me, it's easy to do. Yeah, your
Speaker 1: tech your tech guy could do And by the way,
Speaker 1: man mentioned Monday fundy football because this is something else
Speaker 1: you don't know, and Jason means it. He it means
Speaker 1: a whole lot to him that he got to meet you,
Speaker 1: got to know you, that you were in our sitcom together.
Speaker 1: But Jason won't said to me, you know, Bill invites
Speaker 1: me to Monday in football. You tell it. Well, I
Speaker 1: actually heard you say something on online and I went, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta call Bill. You were you were so funny,
Speaker 1: you were so great. You you were reviewing people who
Speaker 1: do imitations of you, and you were giving feedback on
Speaker 1: how good the invitation was. And I was included in
Speaker 1: that list. And you said something about, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: I used to come to the house and I invited.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't come anymore. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: And I I gotta call Bill because the problem was,
Speaker 1: it's not you, this is this is me. This is
Speaker 1: my problem. The first thing is I'm not a sports guy.
Speaker 1: I don't care about football. So I was coming to
Speaker 1: be with you. And what happens to me when I
Speaker 1: get in a room with people that I admire that
Speaker 1: I'm not yet truly truly close with, I always go
Speaker 1: they don't want me here, They didn't really want me here.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't. I didn't. I feel very small,
Speaker 1: and I feel I diminished myself, and I project a
Speaker 1: kind of you know, they're just doing it to be now.
Speaker 1: I make all kinds of excuses in my head. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I stopped coming because I went, he
Speaker 1: doesn't you know and need me. I'm just the you know,
Speaker 1: he's just being sweet and you know, and I tell
Speaker 1: you something, Jason. And I don't know whether this is common,
Speaker 1: because you see these pictures of how suave these actors look,
Speaker 1: and they they they flow through lines and interviews, and
Speaker 1: they look so good in their clothes, and their hair
Speaker 1: is so good, and and the women they're with, they're glamorous.
Speaker 1: And and I go to those things. When I go
Speaker 1: on the rare kiche. Now that I go, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? I don't know anybody. I
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable. I stand by myself. You know, I
Speaker 1: really don't know anybody. And so I don't go to
Speaker 1: these events. And they say, all right, we've got we've
Speaker 1: got this event. We want to we want to make
Speaker 1: you the citizen of the the century of I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't they're just doing it for publicity. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go turn it down. I tell you one I
Speaker 1: did pick up though that I'm going to go to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not far away. The next several weeks the California
Speaker 1: Music Hall of Fame. They're entering me into the California
Speaker 1: Music Hall of Fame. Is that that blows everybody's mind.
Speaker 1: I think you've done how many? How many albums have
Speaker 1: you done? Now? How many albums you've done? Five? Five albums?
Speaker 1: I think more. I think seven or eight. All right, now,
Speaker 1: I got to ask you a question. I've got two coming.
Speaker 1: I've got two I'm not out there now, called Bill,
Speaker 1: which is available right now. Songs that that I and
Speaker 1: h and Robert Cherno wrote and then I performed at
Speaker 1: Kennedy's Center at a extraordinary moment in my life. I
Speaker 1: don't know that we have the time to talk with
Speaker 1: you from and we don't want to. We don't want
Speaker 1: to lose money. Yeah, oh my god, it's a job.
Speaker 1: I have to go. If you just send him money,
Speaker 1: it just says a million bucks pick it up. But wait,
Speaker 1: soles Less, I worked for less than that. Now. But
Speaker 1: here's what I want to know. I seriously want to
Speaker 1: know about this because you are I just want to
Speaker 1: finish this. But it's about it's about your music. Ahead.
Speaker 1: I entertained at at the Music Center at the Kennedy
Speaker 1: Music at the Opera and to a seventy piece orchestra
Speaker 1: and the songs that that Cherno and I wrote, and
Speaker 1: it was an incredible success. Uh. It was like the
Speaker 1: farthest thing from the first album I had, which was
Speaker 1: mocked to performing at the leading cultural center in the
Speaker 1: United States. Wow, to applause, that they wouldn't let me
Speaker 1: off the stage, and that whole arc of design that
Speaker 1: I keep talking about the the universe looking after me,
Speaker 1: that I had a major singing musical and not singing
Speaker 1: musical success that's going to come out as a documentary
Speaker 1: and as an album live. That thee is going to
Speaker 1: be unbelievable. I don't doubt it. But now here's my
Speaker 1: question for you, because again, you know, I adore you,
Speaker 1: and I everything you've done I think I'm aware of,
Speaker 1: and I have many of your albums, and I actually
Speaker 1: appreciate the artistry on those albums, I really really do.
Speaker 1: I also have Leonard Mooy's albums where he sang and
Speaker 1: you know, not a great singer, you have a fantastic
Speaker 1: speaking voice. Why I've never asked you this? Why have
Speaker 1: you never chosen to actually sing on your albums? I can't.
Speaker 1: It's not this a man who says I can do anything.
Speaker 1: You went into space. That's nothing to do with Let's
Speaker 1: let's what's your claim about why you, Jason Jason can sing?
Speaker 1: And why do you think you can't let me ask
Speaker 1: you about singing? Yeah? You do? You do you harden
Speaker 1: your glottis? Do you do you go? Do you do
Speaker 1: you do a number on your back of your voice?
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know how to describe it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I have studied many different techniques and approaches to singing
Speaker 1: over the years, only because I was a Broadway singer.
Speaker 1: So my natural voice was fine. If I only had
Speaker 1: to get up and sing at a party, no problem.
Speaker 1: But to keep a healthy voice for eight performances a
Speaker 1: week that required training. So I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And there are some theories about, yes, manipulating the glottis
Speaker 1: in a certain way, But why do you feel you
Speaker 1: cannot sing? You're not tone deaf? Well, I'm I'm as
Speaker 1: against to have an absolute pitch. I have relative pitch.
Speaker 1: I had relative pitch. I studied singing for a while
Speaker 1: and then they're the dint of work and all I
Speaker 1: gave it up, and I really, I really, you know
Speaker 1: how kids walk around. My mother should have made me
Speaker 1: take piano. Yeah, I should have gone. I should have
Speaker 1: taken voice lessons. I had about six months and I
Speaker 1: started to get relative pitch and stay on key, and
Speaker 1: then I just I gave it because I was busy,
Speaker 1: and even auditioned for a Broadway musical way way back,
Speaker 1: and and the producer was very kind, saying, that's very nice,
Speaker 1: and sure we would benefit from having you there, but
Speaker 1: you know we need a singer. So I never I
Speaker 1: never sustained a note. But my my admiration for talent
Speaker 1: goes always goes to singers, especially trained singers. Can we
Speaker 1: hear you? I got hear you. Can you sing a
Speaker 1: line of anything? I don't know what? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Oh say, can you see? I'm that's fantastic. But you
Speaker 1: know what I would do? You know what I would
Speaker 1: do and what I've done? Yea? Oh say, can you
Speaker 1: see by the dawn's early light? Sure? Proud of we
Speaker 1: had at the twilight. Do the best. She won't do it?
Speaker 1: Do it? Do it without right now here? You? Oh say,
Speaker 1: can you see by the dawn's early light? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it sucked. I got into it in your hand because
Speaker 1: of how good I do. I got into college. I auditioned.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you were a friend of his.
Speaker 1: You worked when you were a very young man. You worked.
Speaker 1: You did some Shakespeare up in Canada with a gentleman.
Speaker 1: Shakespeare was in Shakespeare exactly, and you were in that
Speaker 1: company with a gentleman named William Lacey. Bill Lacey, who
Speaker 1: went on to become the speech teacher for actors at
Speaker 1: Boston University. And he was the guy I auditioned for.
Speaker 1: I had to do the opening monologue from Equist. I
Speaker 1: knew nothing about acting, So I did you, which is
Speaker 1: with one particular horse, the doctor. Yeah, with one particular
Speaker 1: host called Nugget. He embraces the animals. I don't want to,
Speaker 1: I don't want well, let me tell you. I did
Speaker 1: the hole monologue. I did the monologue, and Bill Lacy
Speaker 1: said to me, you know, I have no idea if
Speaker 1: you can act or not. But that's the finest Bill
Speaker 1: Shatner imitation I've ever heard, and he let me into
Speaker 1: the lee. Let's clear up. Can can we like a
Speaker 1: lightning round? Although nothing's like but wait, I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about the case. It's about this. I got ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. So the phrasing on on the on the
Speaker 1: National Act would be, oh say can you see by
Speaker 1: the dog's early light? What's so proud? That's sure phrasing.
Speaker 1: See the difference, Jason the pro right. You don't do
Speaker 1: a good shatter. We do imitations. We were not that
Speaker 1: you have what makes you the legitim sez he sees
Speaker 1: you're acting. We're only doing a parody of it. So
Speaker 1: that's my question. So a couple, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of info about you that's erroneous. Whatever Broadway world of
Speaker 1: Susie Wong audience doesn't come from the intermission A lot
Speaker 1: of them. That's how you developed the cadence to is
Speaker 1: that true or false? Well, that has a certain amount
Speaker 1: of truth to it. I didn't know people were talking
Speaker 1: about that, but that's true. We got there were seven
Speaker 1: newspapers on this Broadway show that I started, and seven
Speaker 1: newspapers said it's the worst show they've ever seen. It
Speaker 1: should close now. But we hadn't an advanced sale of
Speaker 1: three months. I mean all the leading lights of Broadway
Speaker 1: had been working on it, so we had to run
Speaker 1: three months. During that three month period, I took fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes out of the running time and instead of saying O,
Speaker 1: say can you see it by the Dons early letter,
Speaker 1: isaic can you see by the Dons early light? And
Speaker 1: it became a comedy and we ran for two years.
Speaker 1: Wow did you okay? On Broadway stage? Do you punch
Speaker 1: a guy out? Say that? Did you punch your guard
Speaker 1: to punch the gut? On Broadway? It was another actor
Speaker 1: who was touching you, were punching you as part of
Speaker 1: the show, and you know it wasn't part of the
Speaker 1: show ahead. That's why I punched up on stage. He
Speaker 1: was a former Olympic swimmer from Australia. Okay, he's got one,
Speaker 1: he's got one. He's got a smallish part, he's got
Speaker 1: a big brief. He's the feature player. But he's got
Speaker 1: one line that gets a laugh. So when he got
Speaker 1: a laugh, he'd clap me on the shoulder acceptably. Which
Speaker 1: wasn't there opening night. Okay, So if it's not there
Speaker 1: opening night, the show is supposed to be frozen. At
Speaker 1: opening night, you don't do anymore. You don't bring the
Speaker 1: glass any close through, you don't bring it for the further.
Speaker 1: It's frozen because if you move the glass of water
Speaker 1: here next night, the second night, and the third night,
Speaker 1: and the fourth night. By the end of the first week,
Speaker 1: there's a glass of water is way over there, which
Speaker 1: now is awkward because it spoils the timing. So you
Speaker 1: got to freeze the show so you don't hit somebody
Speaker 1: in the shoulder after opening night. So he yet to
Speaker 1: hit me on the shoulder lightly if he got the laugh,
Speaker 1: but if he didn't get to laugh. And there's a
Speaker 1: former Olympic swimmer, he collapped me and I got One day,
Speaker 1: I said to him, you know, whatever his name was,
Speaker 1: this scene is becoming. Whether I get hit on the
Speaker 1: shoulder and I wins because it hurts or not. I
Speaker 1: began to anticipate and dread this very moment. You gotta
Speaker 1: stop hitting me, he said, Oh, And the next night
Speaker 1: he hit me even harder. So then I went to
Speaker 1: the stage manager and I said to the stage manager,
Speaker 1: you know, Stonzo is hitting me and it wasn't there
Speaker 1: over night. Can you talk to him about not hitting me.
Speaker 1: So the stage man then went to the director, Um,
Speaker 1: what's his name? We did Picnic and Broadway the great
Speaker 1: Uh Google look it up. No, no, the other one. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on, Joshua Logan. Joshua Logan. Okay. So I went
Speaker 1: to Joshua Logan, the director. I said, josh he's hitting
Speaker 1: me on the shoulder. Can you okay? He goes. I
Speaker 1: went to the union. Okay, so people of weeks are
Speaker 1: going to all these authority figures. I say to him, listen,
Speaker 1: if you hit me one more time, I'm got to
Speaker 1: hit you back either really really, oh really okay, and
Speaker 1: he hits me. He collaborate. I go following. I punched
Speaker 1: him back on stage, whereupon this curtain comes down and
Speaker 1: now he rushes at me. He's gonna kill me. He's
Speaker 1: an Olympic swimmer. He takes a swing at me. I
Speaker 1: duck and he hits a prop man in the chest,
Speaker 1: giving him what did they wonderful football player get heart?
Speaker 1: Oh no and think three three, you know the heart pumping.
Speaker 1: The next night, the producer, the great producer with the mustache,
Speaker 1: David so Jay Ray Roy Merrick read what was his name?
Speaker 1: David Merrick? Producer is this like one of the great
Speaker 1: Broadway contingent for that show. So David Merrick comes in
Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, here, you're having good trouble and
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, the stage doors, the stage rooms
Speaker 1: where the actors go are little cubicles made of cement,
Speaker 1: and they got a door that swings close, so it's
Speaker 1: a fire thing. All the doors are propped open by
Speaker 1: a little wedge, so the doors are open unless you
Speaker 1: kick the wedge out, and the door is closed if
Speaker 1: you're getting dressed. So that guy comes into my room
Speaker 1: while David America is there, and he kicks the wedge
Speaker 1: out and the door slams shut, and now three of
Speaker 1: us are locked in a cubicle twelve by twelve. It
Speaker 1: was then I realized were all animals, because I was
Speaker 1: looking at his throat and I thought, what I'm going
Speaker 1: to do is I'm going to leap upon him and
Speaker 1: tear his throat out with my teeth. That's really what
Speaker 1: I thought. And meanwhile, what's the face of trying to
Speaker 1: make wow? Let me just say wow wow wow, right
Speaker 1: wow wows headlines. Listen, We're not going to keep you
Speaker 1: much along. I want to ask you a question, I'm
Speaker 1: just getting warmed up. Well, we have people, We have
Speaker 1: the people to talk to people. First of all, I
Speaker 1: want to one of the reasons we one of the
Speaker 1: big reasons that we really went, really know really about you,
Speaker 1: is that at age ninety one, you are doing ninety
Speaker 1: two excuse me, march very good. You seemingly do more honestly,
Speaker 1: between the charities and the and the professional work and
Speaker 1: the first side projects. What can you can you speak
Speaker 1: to that at all, this this vitality, this juada vive,
Speaker 1: this curiosity that you maintain. You know, many many people
Speaker 1: when they get to that kind of a ripe old age,
Speaker 1: they start to lean back, They settle back, they're less curious,
Speaker 1: they're less leaned back because because you don't, you're not
Speaker 1: as strong. My shoulders are really painful. You're not as
Speaker 1: strong as you were, and your stamina isn't the same.
Speaker 1: But here's the thought, guys, here's the basics of everything
Speaker 1: for me, and that is when we were I've got
Speaker 1: a great grandson is approaching three. I see him wandering
Speaker 1: around him. Why look up with that? And that's what again,
Speaker 1: whids gonna look up that we get And he's like
Speaker 1: everything is new to him. The texture of banana is
Speaker 1: new to him. Why did he look at this man
Speaker 1: that until you're around seven or eight, is the inner child,
Speaker 1: That curious inner child is in all of us, that
Speaker 1: curious child. That child is in all of us, vulnerable, hurt,
Speaker 1: having left your mother's teeth, having to get on the
Speaker 1: bus to school, having to leave home. Everything has hurt
Speaker 1: you as a kid. And you're trying to tell your child, Hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta get on the bus to school because you
Speaker 1: got to get an educate. Well, I don't want to go,
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave your money. You gotta get
Speaker 1: on tearing, the tearing of a child. So everything is hurtful.
Speaker 1: So there's this hurt child that is curious in all
Speaker 1: of us. The more you can keep that alive, the
Speaker 1: more you can keep that child vulnerable and curious, the
Speaker 1: more open you are to life. Everything is a is
Speaker 1: a is an adventure. Everything coming on your show through
Speaker 1: these two wonderful guys who who joined forces like like
Speaker 1: two great rivers coming down into being the Missus Stippy.
Speaker 1: You guys are the Missus Zippi. Why but you know what,
Speaker 1: the reason, the reason that you're so amazing too is
Speaker 1: like I grew up in a house. We're in so
Speaker 1: many houses, and I didn't realize it till later on
Speaker 1: Can I do this? No? Can? I'm I was in
Speaker 1: no dead. My default was no. And somebody pointed out
Speaker 1: out to me one day and I went, why do
Speaker 1: I default? I think it was parental or fear from
Speaker 1: my parents that I got it. You're not a nope.
Speaker 1: The big thing about you curus Yes, but you say
Speaker 1: yes to everything? When were you when to death? What
Speaker 1: was the you say yes to everything? I don't mean
Speaker 1: you get on the bridge and they says I jump
Speaker 1: yes and you jump no. But stuff that other people
Speaker 1: would say yes to, opportunity, say yes to life, say
Speaker 1: yes to coming on your show. You. I love you,
Speaker 1: two guys. I'm wondering what you're doing really or really
Speaker 1: here I am and Bill let me ask it not
Speaker 1: to get more of it at all. I'm really curious death.
Speaker 1: You do feel? I was going to say, do you
Speaker 1: bring that same curiosity about Here's here's what a way
Speaker 1: I go about life. I don't know whether you've gotten
Speaker 1: to that point yet. You two guys, you get up
Speaker 1: and think, oh God, either oh wow. I feel I'm
Speaker 1: not going to die to day I feel good? Or
Speaker 1: oh is the shows? I wonder? I wonder if I'm dying,
Speaker 1: because you don't know what it is like to die.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're dying. Maybe you're dying and you don't know
Speaker 1: it until you die. You holy, I died. You told
Speaker 1: me years ago. I said, why do you do so much?
Speaker 1: And you said, because I'm scared I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be able to I want to get it all in.
Speaker 1: I want to get I'm rushing around trying to do things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, just a little thing to take this
Speaker 1: back to the toilet. You don't know that you and
Speaker 1: Jason have a similar Broadway experience. You wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you pooped your pants on a Broadway stage on an
Speaker 1: opening night, Jason, Jason came this clarely averting his pants
Speaker 1: on exactly tell me how you were a bird. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know how I avoided it. But I was
Speaker 1: doing a Neil Simon play. And when I walked on
Speaker 1: stage and act one, I was going to be there
Speaker 1: for an hour and change. And I walked on what
Speaker 1: I was going to be on stage for over an
Speaker 1: hour the minute I set foot on the stage. And
Speaker 1: on this one night, the minute I got on that stage,
Speaker 1: I went, oh my god, I'm in deep trouble. I'm
Speaker 1: in deep trouble. And I'm thinking so like like you,
Speaker 1: I'm jumping lines, I'm moving as fast as I can.
Speaker 1: And but here's that in our show. The set was
Speaker 1: a house, a full house. So there's a bathroom. It's
Speaker 1: behind a muslin wall. Was an operating bathroom. No, but
Speaker 1: it had a toilet. And I'm thinking, am I there?
Speaker 1: Am I going to go into that bathroom and release
Speaker 1: from the bathroom? And right? Could you imagine? And so
Speaker 1: I held on. I don't know how I held on.
Speaker 1: And when the minute that curtain came down an intermission,
Speaker 1: I ran into the stars dressing room and let go
Speaker 1: a crime scene that hit it. It was just but
Speaker 1: but I barely barely barely was And and and then I
Speaker 1: was I was in a show, yeah, the one man show.
Speaker 1: And I've been sick the night before. In fact, doctor
Speaker 1: Oz and the other doctors popular on CBS were my doctors.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and you know there was I was dehydrated.
Speaker 1: They were giving me, uh those drinks And and then
Speaker 1: I get to the theater and I've been holding the
Speaker 1: porcelain throne all day long. And now I'm in the theater.
Speaker 1: It's opening night, Broadway, opening night, one man show, and
Speaker 1: I've had every orifice going. And then I get in
Speaker 1: front of the audience and I'm doing my thing and
Speaker 1: it's going well, and suddenly boom boom boom, and I said,
Speaker 1: there's been a technical difficult shower. Oh my god, it was,
Speaker 1: and you came back on you finished, came back and
Speaker 1: said technical eliminated. Bless you well, Bill, Hey, is it
Speaker 1: true you can't do the all consalute? Is that true?
Speaker 1: Your trouble? That's true? Well I can do it. And
Speaker 1: I say, Bill Shantner, live long and prosecut I listen.
Speaker 1: I'll take live long now. I have. As you know,
Speaker 1: I have adored you from the time I was eight
Speaker 1: years old. You have been meaningful in my life and
Speaker 1: so many other lives that you know about and don't
Speaker 1: know about. You're You're an amazing human being, and I
Speaker 1: am so happy to have major acquaintance and call you
Speaker 1: a friend. I'm so glad to be talking to my
Speaker 1: two dear friends. And UH look forward to seeing you soon. AFO.
Speaker 1: You were wonderful, You're wonderful. Keep out of keep being
Speaker 1: a curious and happy upcoming birthday. Thank you? All right,
Speaker 1: you're well jeez, oh man, you're still here. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course I don't. He doesn't have to be anywhere. Bio.
Speaker 1: Is it true that Johnny car Wait is truly Johnny
Speaker 1: Carson banned you from the tonight trip? Was that true?
Speaker 1: I don't think he banned me. I don't remember him
Speaker 1: banning me. But I was in the middle of you know,
Speaker 1: what do you do on the on a talk show? Right?
Speaker 1: How do you what do you do with Johnny Carson?
Speaker 1: So you tell a joke or they So I thought,
Speaker 1: I've had this incredible day. I'll tell him my incredible day,
Speaker 1: so I said. So I got up, and I did,
Speaker 1: and I get to about eight o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: He interrupts me, Oh my god, this is what you
Speaker 1: should know about Bill. He is every any area you
Speaker 1: asked me. He's the most well read person I know,
Speaker 1: the most well traveled person I know. He doesn't just
Speaker 1: have dogs. He raised his dog. Were having a Monday
Speaker 1: night football one night, and he has a Doberman. The
Speaker 1: sigh is a pony, and he says, remember what he
Speaker 1: says to me. He says, this dog is the best.
Speaker 1: He's my love. Don't be worried about He's the best
Speaker 1: trained dog you've ever seen. He'll sit here till I
Speaker 1: come back after so we go watch mondayn football. We
Speaker 1: come back. He has eating the entire door frame like
Speaker 1: a wood chipper, and he's like, he ate the entire doorframe.
Speaker 1: And it's like what's coming out of his butt is
Speaker 1: like sawdus sawdust chips. It's unbelievable. Best dog. Only wish
Speaker 1: that had come out of mind. Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a beautiful dog, What a beautiful But Bill is that
Speaker 1: passionate about that dog? That dog great has gone, has
Speaker 1: gone to dog heaven. But we've got two more here.
Speaker 1: We love to eat carpets, so we have his wonderful
Speaker 1: carpets and they've been in That is embarrassing. You're that
Speaker 1: passionate about them. You're that passionate about food. You're that
Speaker 1: passionate again going to dinner. Yeah, we're done, waiter, bring
Speaker 1: three more. Thing. He just he just takes over it.
Speaker 1: Just you become part of Duel's thing. And that's what's
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing about you. That's how he made admiral.
Speaker 1: You're an amazing you go. You know which is more
Speaker 1: which is more annoying tonights or George Takai? To which
Speaker 1: which is more annoying tonightis or George Takai? If you
Speaker 1: had to pick which one neither? You don't even want
Speaker 1: to talk about George that well, No, that guy he's
Speaker 1: really ill. I mean, I don't know him. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him in decades since the roast he was on
Speaker 1: the show. He'd come in for a day a week
Speaker 1: or you know, somebody told me he was in fifty
Speaker 1: days out of the three years we were we were shooting. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but he was negligible as far as my
Speaker 1: world was conserved. He was peripheral guy that I would
Speaker 1: see occasionally. But since then, in sixty years, since then,
Speaker 1: I've seen him three or four times, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't know him. And he continues to Dennick rate, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. He's a very ill and should
Speaker 1: we get it? Would you ever do a reproach? Monk
Speaker 1: is that's how before you go that you want to
Speaker 1: patch up or you don't care there's nothing to patch up.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, Well, I'm just asking he's he
Speaker 1: does this thing for publicity. He's got a show opening
Speaker 1: up in home and he's publicizing his show. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'll he'll answer to this, he'll critique this. Yeah, you're right, well, Bill, see,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't bother you the way it bothers me.
Speaker 1: If I know one person out there doesn't like me,
Speaker 1: I can't sleep. But no, well it bothers me. But
Speaker 1: what am I going to do about it? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Remember him? You remember him at your roast on Comedy Central,
Speaker 1: Roach Jason, Remember the roast. I used a piece of
Speaker 1: film on him on the One Man Show. I used
Speaker 1: a piece of film on him. Uh, he had. I
Speaker 1: came in on a horse and my roast, Right, So
Speaker 1: I come in on the horse and he's got the
Speaker 1: line they wrote for him and the horse you rode
Speaker 1: in on. Yeah, it's a funny line. He read it,
Speaker 1: and the horse you're growed in on? Funny. He really
Speaker 1: meant said I saw you right after the rose. If
Speaker 1: I may say, I was in your trailer waiting laugh
Speaker 1: that I was waiting for you in the trailer and
Speaker 1: you walked in and you said to me on a
Speaker 1: heat doing your impersonaltion, you said, I knew he didn't
Speaker 1: like me, but I didn't know he didn't like me
Speaker 1: that much because he went it was like it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you're ferocious. I mean, it's spewed out
Speaker 1: of this. That whole night for me was I was
Speaker 1: so flattered you asked me to be your rosmaster. But
Speaker 1: I remember walking into the into the sound stage with
Speaker 1: you for it, and I said to you as we
Speaker 1: were walking over Bill, why why exactly are you doing this?
Speaker 1: And you said, you don't think this is gonna be fun?
Speaker 1: And I said, I think there are people up there
Speaker 1: that really are looking to hurt you. And I said,
Speaker 1: and you went, no, no, no, no, And then you
Speaker 1: came back after I went, boy, he really didn't like
Speaker 1: me very much. Lend I asked Lendard to be on
Speaker 1: he's I'm not going up there. Oh it's brutal. It's brutal.
Speaker 1: But I had fun. I don't. You did have fun,
Speaker 1: even laughing at the kind of thing you had. You
Speaker 1: thought it was all hilarious. I think it was funny.
Speaker 1: And then I think that what I remember is they
Speaker 1: wrote for me some great lines in response. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a great uh time going back. You were great,
Speaker 1: You look wonderful. Stay healthy. We'll have lunch altogether. And
Speaker 1: I love you, love you very much, thank your mouth man,
Speaker 1: thank you carey well Bill, bye bye. Well what do
Speaker 1: I say? You know the thing from that? And that
Speaker 1: sounded like we were just having a casual conversation with
Speaker 1: a friend, right, And I'm sitting here, I am shaking
Speaker 1: in my boots going, I I am still that eight
Speaker 1: year old child going, I know that. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: People don't know. We did a TV show called Bob
Speaker 1: Patterson and we brought in Bill to play Jason's nemesis,
Speaker 1: and I thinking it would be the greatest thing to
Speaker 1: have him on stage filming with his eye. And Jason
Speaker 1: was off put every scene, every scene. And there was
Speaker 1: a scene where we had Bill Shatner kiss you right
Speaker 1: and you he had emitted his mouth and ended up
Speaker 1: in your mouth, end up in your mouth, and I
Speaker 1: remember you after going it looked like you've been kissed
Speaker 1: by your your idol. Right, he is he is. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what a lot of people talk about Bill,
Speaker 1: getting to know him for as long as we have
Speaker 1: and worked with him as many times that he is
Speaker 1: really he doesn't suffer fool as gladly um, all the
Speaker 1: things of him being miserable or if people tick him off,
Speaker 1: and honestly, you know, I brought up the thing about
Speaker 1: how he treats people online that have been um rude
Speaker 1: to him, you know, just inappropriate, and he you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't just block him. He goes, he responds, and
Speaker 1: I go, why Wow. So the things I didn't get
Speaker 1: to ask him were true or false? The vocal solute
Speaker 1: we did. He once did comedy stand up. He thought
Speaker 1: it'd be funny to do it as Captain Kirk and
Speaker 1: then it would be bland and he got killed killed
Speaker 1: doing it. Um um. He did throw a chair across
Speaker 1: the stage of twenty thousand dollars Pyramid because he got
Speaker 1: ticked off. He treat trick or treated wearing a Bill
Speaker 1: Shottner mask, which is the Halloween Halloween mask. He had
Speaker 1: his own DVD subscription service for sci fi that would
Speaker 1: be curated by him. It didn't go so well. Um,
Speaker 1: but I also wanted to I also wanted to ask
Speaker 1: him if it was true that he sold a kidney stone.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't know, he didn't, but it was charity.
Speaker 1: But it was for charity, and we didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of stories about him and Nimoy, that they're not friends.
Speaker 1: I only saw them being closed the one night I
Speaker 1: saw them at his house. He described it that he's
Speaker 1: got a giant screen and there are chairs when you
Speaker 1: go to a movie night and I walked in and
Speaker 1: you don't take pictures, you don't do anything because it's
Speaker 1: it's about friend Chap and it's low key. But the
Speaker 1: three chairs are Shatner, Nimoy, Patrick Stewart watching a big screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he killed me, and that if I walk in that room,
Speaker 1: I do, I do poop. I don't make it to
Speaker 1: the thing. And as we go, let me just say that,
Speaker 1: Jason said, I don't. I don't go him one football
Speaker 1: because I know he doesn't want me there. You go,
Speaker 1: even knowing he doesn't want you there. Yeah, you're you're cavil.
Speaker 1: I was anxious, So I'm going to leave you with
Speaker 1: a really for the day. I found this out a
Speaker 1: little really and see what you think. So this was
Speaker 1: a little bit of anxiety for me because I'm saying
Speaker 1: it has been proven when men have anxiety, it doesn't
Speaker 1: manifest in like nervous ticks or worry. It manifests as anger,
Speaker 1: muscle aches, and alcohol use. And I know you've gone
Speaker 1: through this whole thing with a migraine today, and I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering. Anxiety, Yeah, anxious about something. It's funny, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't view build the same way you do. I
Speaker 1: love Bill, yeah, but I know I wasn't the biggest
Speaker 1: star Trek Final, wasn't. I just love him as a
Speaker 1: person is because he's just hilarious and smart whatever. But
Speaker 1: I think there's anxiety about still anxiety about I just
Speaker 1: want to do good by you, by him, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because he'll he'll hitch you at ninety one.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like the thing you say. He'll and I
Speaker 1: got to tell you it's got to be genius because
Speaker 1: we've got to launch. She'll hug me, and he feels
Speaker 1: the muscular he's looking. Honestly, the people that were able
Speaker 1: to watch us as opposed to just hear us, there's
Speaker 1: not a line on his face. All right, let's go.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the bands. Really, really, I really
Speaker 1: got to go. And you know what we didn't do
Speaker 1: with him? Laurie producer, Larie producer, Larie producer, Come in here,
Speaker 1: because you've already gone gone. Question producer Laurie's rescuing face.
Speaker 1: You did something wrong? What happened with the really no
Speaker 1: really Shottner is really no? Really did you ask him
Speaker 1: to have one prepared? Did we forget that you didn't
Speaker 1: didn't do it? We'd say you're fired, except that we
Speaker 1: have no We have no one else. We have David
Speaker 1: and I can't I can't fire, we can't fire anybody yet.
Speaker 1: We actually he's giving us Ashley, our publicity and social
Speaker 1: media person, giving us the thumbs up. I said him,
Speaker 1: I go, what did we do that you would give?
Speaker 1: What if we just me? We didn't even get an
Speaker 1: introduction out the man started talking. We didn't even you
Speaker 1: knew that was going to happen with Bill. Bill. I
Speaker 1: was shocked. I was shocked that we got as much
Speaker 1: as we got with Bill. And I said to Jason
Speaker 1: before today, I said, you know what, be prepared because
Speaker 1: he goes. But if you be prepared, you can't be prepared.
Speaker 1: But you know what for that? But that's what makes
Speaker 1: Bill shot Bill Shotner. And that's why Johnny Carson pandom
Speaker 1: because it was like, shut up, it's my shot. But
Speaker 1: it's also he takes you, he takes he's the avent
Speaker 1: by the throat. He's passionate about the interview. He's passionate
Speaker 1: about what he's eating. He's passionate up. But you should
Speaker 1: have seen him if you can't see it, eating his
Speaker 1: toast and jam, it looks the best thing he's ever
Speaker 1: eat right right, you go out to sushi with I
Speaker 1: mean he goes like this. He's having a kind of
Speaker 1: a throw up meal. He's having a throw up Neil
Speaker 1: and Teaston jam. He can't force you to do they Okay,
Speaker 1: google heeim? What did we what did we um? What
Speaker 1: did we bark out that you're gonna look up? Do
Speaker 1: you remember? Oh? We had it. We had a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: so go ahead and clarify David g by the way, Guggenheim.
Speaker 1: When I now look for all the emails of yours,
Speaker 1: I actually put him Googleheim because we've named him Googleheim,
Speaker 1: because the master. He's the guy who's supposed to say
Speaker 1: this is what you wanted to know. Uh, you forgot
Speaker 1: the disclaimer you should have said allegedly because you'll be
Speaker 1: so so what do we do? Yeah? Well, number one,
Speaker 1: mister Shatner has released eleven eleven albums. Eleven albums. I
Speaker 1: could I could go through them. You know what, his
Speaker 1: face is bigg enough this way. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be bigger. It's enough. It's enough. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's bigger. Yeah, I want to wait, get it out
Speaker 1: of the way, David. David said, bigger, stay behind, do
Speaker 1: this already, you can get it out of the way
Speaker 1: of water. Don't say anything. This is three ds is
Speaker 1: in his contract. We have to be quiet, do the
Speaker 1: full faced Hi mom, go ahead, go ahead, say hi mom,
Speaker 1: Hi mom. Oh very nice, he wanted, in a clear
Speaker 1: shout out, So go ahead, and so had the We
Speaker 1: had the Yiddish word we needed to oh yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: which is junk, isn't it. It's a Yiddish word obviously,
Speaker 1: food That is awful, junk, trash, anything disgusting. You've been
Speaker 1: lamsome so if they give you drunk, it's hawser Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good, Dave, good, go on. He also did the
Speaker 1: celebrity paintball Mobster Mash with six hundred and sixty people
Speaker 1: at the age of seventy three in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Man he mentioned Jason's direct choral um work that of
Speaker 1: course include uh many many, including Mike and Molly Franklin
Speaker 1: and Bash till death, Criminal minds, everybody hits Chris? Is
Speaker 1: this your bo is your credits? What are we giving
Speaker 1: your credits for it? I don't care. It's about this
Speaker 1: well that idea, he said. And I directed Bill Shattner
Speaker 1: in in Brad Paisley Cooler online video which also Taylor Swist,
Speaker 1: introduced Taylor Swift and for which I won a Country
Speaker 1: Music Award. I want a country music Did you get
Speaker 1: that Country Music Award? No? You didn't. Did you get it?
Speaker 1: It was who put you in the video? It said
Speaker 1: best director? Who best director? What did you win for
Speaker 1: best video? Best Video Video? And you got the You
Speaker 1: got the award. How wouldn't you have known the country
Speaker 1: music world unless I brought you into that? Boy, Pete,
Speaker 1: you know what. This happens all the time. People forget
Speaker 1: what you do. You learn them money, they start a
Speaker 1: big company. H done Shatter forgot that. I introduced him.
Speaker 1: He turned down Brad Paisley's video, and so I got
Speaker 1: him in studio where he was with Brad face to
Speaker 1: face and he couldn't say no, now it's still it's
Speaker 1: Brad And I loved him. No you didn't. That's not
Speaker 1: how it started started, Well, I remember you introduced me
Speaker 1: to Brad. He showed me the song. I came up
Speaker 1: with the whole script. Why did I introduce you? Get
Speaker 1: an award? I introduced you to put an award for
Speaker 1: an introduction. Best introd came up with what the video
Speaker 1: was to get you see here we got rewriting history
Speaker 1: was all You're right, the whole it's a narrative, you know,
Speaker 1: as we go out of this episode. Really no, really,
Speaker 1: let's just get this clear. This was your idea. The
Speaker 1: whole staff is your idea. That was your idea. Drive safely, everybody,
Speaker 1: this was your idea. I'm not taking credit for this. No,
Speaker 1: you're waiting until it's successful. Good Night everybody, everybody. It's
Speaker 1: not even night, but good night. I'm done. I'm done
Speaker 1: with you. Really no, really now really now, really wow.
Speaker 1: I want to thank our good friend Bill Shatner. What
Speaker 1: an amazing person. If you'd like to troll Bill on
Speaker 1: social media, go to Instagram or Twitter at William Shatner.
Speaker 1: His website, of course, is William Shatner dot com and
Speaker 1: you should check out the charity horse Show It's a
Speaker 1: horse show dot org. An amazing human being amazing individual
Speaker 1: who does more at his age than any human being
Speaker 1: I know. And as far as really No Really is concerned.
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