WEBVTT - The Fascinating History of Dandelions

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<v Speaker 1>Unless you like to puff the little seeds off of

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<v Speaker 1>dandelion heads, you probably don't think very highly of dandelions.

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<v Speaker 1>There are weeds, after all, but what is a weed

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<v Speaker 1>other than an unloved plant? You know, you might have

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<v Speaker 1>a different opinion of these teeth of the lions after

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<v Speaker 1>hearing this episode, and come to think of it, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we're really laying a bridge of understanding between

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<v Speaker 1>humans and our garden pest with this playlist, so gratifying cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Puffball Chuck, and there's Blowball Jerry, and I like to

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<v Speaker 1>call me Month's head. And this is stuff you should do.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get those references?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well we should probably explain them to everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>because they probably think it's an in joke. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not at all. Number one, because we're about to share

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<v Speaker 1>it with you. Number two, it's not really a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>And number three, those are alternate names for dandelions.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, And we're going to be exalting the dandelion

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<v Speaker 4>probably say a lot of times how great we think

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<v Speaker 4>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry if you hate dandelions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how it's unfairly maligned. And we want to thank

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah Andrews from Idaho because Sarah is a listener who's

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<v Speaker 4>senting this in.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, very nice. Thanks a lot, Sarah. Every time I

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<v Speaker 1>hear Idaho, I'm reminded of that silly T shirt that

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<v Speaker 1>said Idaho Daho. Do you remember that one?

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<v Speaker 3>I never saw that one.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that one? There was a company called like

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<v Speaker 1>Dangerous T Shirts or something like that, and they had, like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>they were killing it with the crazy T shirts for

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<v Speaker 1>a while in like the early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that like instead of Saint coch let's say, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>poke or cocaine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kind of sometimes more original than that, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were coveted for a little bit among people who

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<v Speaker 1>liked incubus and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't name an incu of a song, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>not me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's get back to dandelions. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how we ever get off track. It's kind of strange,

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<v Speaker 1>but it happens from time to time, and it just happened, chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's stop it from happening right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Right because dandelions, as you will see, have had a long,

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<v Speaker 4>rich history that we're going to talk about in depth

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<v Speaker 4>as a medicinal plant, as an edible plant, as a

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful pollinator, and it was recast as a villains, as

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<v Speaker 4>a weed to get rid of. But you need only

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<v Speaker 4>look at the history of the dandelion, the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>it was brought to North America by colonists to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of underscore the fact that we wanted the dandelion here.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And it's important to say that they brought it

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<v Speaker 1>here on purpose. I saw somebody point out like this,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't it didn't hit your ride. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>purposely brought here. And the idea that dandelions suck is

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<v Speaker 1>a really recent development, especially compared to how long people

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<v Speaker 1>valued and prized dandelions. I just find that fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure.

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<v Speaker 4>This thing is about thirty million years old, native and

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<v Speaker 4>sort of Atlantic Europe all the way to Siberia and

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<v Speaker 4>in the northern Hemisphere. You're gonna know a dandelion because

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<v Speaker 4>between March and October you're going to see these beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>yellow flowers. You'll see some what's called a rosette, which

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<v Speaker 4>are these very short level ground stems that grow in

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<v Speaker 4>a circular pattern, and then these little slender, green, hollow stalks,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, two to twenty inches, but usually at least

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<v Speaker 4>around here the dandelions are i don't know, like eight inches.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that seems about right. That's my experience as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the other really impressive things about the

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<v Speaker 1>dandelion is if you look really closely at the flower,

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<v Speaker 1>each individual pedal has a little what becomes the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the puffball. When the flower seeds, it already is attached,

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<v Speaker 1>and that thing is called the papas and at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the papist is the seed, and the papos

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<v Speaker 1>itself is like this like parachute essentially that keeps the

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<v Speaker 1>seed aloft. And research into I saw pepeye, but I

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<v Speaker 1>like paposes as the plural.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I love peppy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's found that they're actually phenomenal at keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>seeds aloft. They create a kind of vortex that, until

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<v Speaker 1>it was seen when they started testing pappy was thought

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<v Speaker 1>to be impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And that vortex not only makes it, you know, travel

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<v Speaker 4>up and out and away in such a way that

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<v Speaker 4>if it was shaped any differently, it wouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But if that little thing lands on water, that same

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<v Speaker 4>vortex is going to form a little air bubble around

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<v Speaker 4>it and protect it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of my prize possessions is this dandelion puffball

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<v Speaker 1>in caseed in resin, and it's like the real deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've never understood how it worked, but it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that if you actually take a dandelion puffball and

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<v Speaker 1>actually not just put water in it, but submerge it

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<v Speaker 1>in water, the puffball does not It doesn't collapse. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that nuts?

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too. So that's just one of the

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<v Speaker 1>many amazing things we're going to reveal today on stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I wander into the wrong show?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we should tell everybody it's ten am, and we

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<v Speaker 1>usually refer one. So I'm a much different person at

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<v Speaker 1>ten am.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a news anchor, apparently, So I mentioned yellow. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not always yellow. They can be orange, they can be white,

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<v Speaker 4>they can be kind of purply peach. They open in

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<v Speaker 4>the morning and close in the evening, which has given

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<v Speaker 4>them the name the Shepherd's Clock, and they do that

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<v Speaker 4>to preserve pollen and keep that pollen safe for the

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<v Speaker 4>next day, which also makes it and this is one

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<v Speaker 4>of my favorite words at photo nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a great word.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, plants open and close with the setting and rising

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<v Speaker 4>of the sun. Yeah, felt photo nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw like a time lapse. I actually was in

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<v Speaker 1>a video. It's just a series of photos of the

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<v Speaker 1>dandelion flower opening and closing over the course of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I found I ran across a word from researching this

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd never heard before that I absolutely love dandelion,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, are edible. They're used in cooking their

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<v Speaker 1>culinary plant, which makes them a potter herb. One word,

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<v Speaker 1>a potterb. Isn't that awesome? What a great homey little

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<v Speaker 1>like I just imagine, you know, hobbits using that word.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hobbits. And my wife, Oh does.

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<v Speaker 1>She call it potterbs? You've heard that before?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, she's I mean that's older. We're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about dandelions today, and she was just like, oh, are

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<v Speaker 4>you going to talk about this?

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<v Speaker 3>This, this, this, this, this all right?

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, oh, the famous potter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also another kind of clock, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I already mentioned the shepherd's clock because of opening and

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<v Speaker 4>closing it at the sunrise and sunset. But those little

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<v Speaker 4>seed heads. They're called dandelion clocks, and that is from

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<v Speaker 4>the old uh you know, you make a wish when

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<v Speaker 4>you blow the dandelion and you scatter those seeds as

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a long rich childhood tradition. But apparently the

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<v Speaker 4>number of puffs it takes to empty that thing is

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<v Speaker 4>what time it is, so it can I haven't tested

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<v Speaker 4>this out. I don't know this is rock solid signs, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a sort of a thing that's pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And one other thing about those paposes and the seeds

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<v Speaker 1>that are attached to them, there's a longstanding, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of urban legend or maybe rural legend that they

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<v Speaker 1>can travel up to one hundred kilometers sixty two miles,

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<v Speaker 1>and that does not seem to be the case, even

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<v Speaker 1>though you'll see that stat absolutely everywhere, including some legitimate places.

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<v Speaker 1>But Kyle helped us with this, our British buddy, and

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<v Speaker 1>he found that a two thousand and three study, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the most recent you can find on this, is

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<v Speaker 1>that just one in seven thousand papases travels more than

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<v Speaker 1>one kilometer. So just leave one hundred kilometers out of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole equation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And Kyle told us that because he's from England.

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<v Speaker 4>But for our North American listeners, we're talking three hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and twenty something feet if it's one hundred kilometers in

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<v Speaker 4>about three and a half feet for a meter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and apparently ninety nine and a half percent of

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<v Speaker 1>all papists land just within thirty feet of the parent plant,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also ten meters. So yes, if you ever

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<v Speaker 1>hear that a papist contain travel one hundred kilometers, you

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<v Speaker 1>can be like, that's wrong. What you just said is wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I think like one did, and they framed that. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>that's the one you have in amber.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like that first dollar bill you make as

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<v Speaker 1>a business, you put it into amber.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also a cool adaptation where after they flower, that

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<v Speaker 4>little hollow stalk that the flower sits upon goes limp

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<v Speaker 4>on the ground and is just sort of hiding there

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<v Speaker 4>away from birds and stuff, And when they ripen up,

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<v Speaker 4>they jump back up again and they're like, here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. I think so too. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to take a break and come back and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>where they got their name? Let's do it, so, Chuck Dandelion.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never stopped and considered why it was called that,

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<v Speaker 1>But it turns out that whole that lion at the

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<v Speaker 1>end is actually a giveaway for where the name came from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's French for lion's tooth, dent de leon pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason they call it that is it's a reference

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<v Speaker 1>to the deeply serrated jagged leaves. I guess somebody was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like a lion's tooth, and they lived in France,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where they got the name dandelion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's also if you look at the botanical name,

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<v Speaker 4>it really gives a good indication of what it was

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<v Speaker 4>being used for back then. The genus name is Taraxicum,

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<v Speaker 4>and there are a couple of explanations here. I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like the second one. The first one is a

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<v Speaker 4>Greek word for disorder, which is a taxia, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>also could have come from Arabic for bitter herb, which

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<v Speaker 4>is terraq chagogue. And then when you combine bitter herb

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<v Speaker 4>with the species name, which is how'd you say that,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know? Aficionelle. That is a word for monastery

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<v Speaker 4>store room. So a bitter herb in a monastery storeroom

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<v Speaker 4>basically is telling you, hey, we use this plant in

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<v Speaker 4>a very productive way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, The whole disorder thing is totally insensible if you

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<v Speaker 1>ask me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the other great things so humans use

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<v Speaker 1>dandelions is we'll see in a lot of different ways

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<v Speaker 1>and have for a very long time. But our animal

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<v Speaker 1>friends love dandelions too. Those flowers, even though they look

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<v Speaker 1>kind of flimsy if you think about it, they're rich

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<v Speaker 1>in nectar packed with it. So bees, butterflies, basically any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pollinators love dandelions. Like you said, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>the stalk falls to the ground after flowering and as

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<v Speaker 1>the seedheads are developing, that's because birds love the little

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<v Speaker 1>dandelion seeds. And one of the other things that's important

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<v Speaker 1>about them too is they they basically flower and seed

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<v Speaker 1>almost around the like the whole year, depending on where

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<v Speaker 1>you live. So at times where there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of food sources for birds and pollinators, the dandelions there

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of keep them going through the same you know,

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<v Speaker 1>late fall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think it's one of the first guys

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<v Speaker 4>to get going in the spring.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, right, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So we're going to get more in detail about

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<v Speaker 4>you know, how it's been eaten. But well, actually, let's

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<v Speaker 4>let's save all that. Let's just let's just tease it

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<v Speaker 4>then and say it has long been eaten, is now

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<v Speaker 4>being eaten again due to the sort of foraging movement

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<v Speaker 4>happening in the culinary world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great time.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that kind of kicked off in COVID when

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<v Speaker 4>people are like, well, it can't go to the store.

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<v Speaker 3>What can I eat that's in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try dandelions. I've always wondered what it tastes like.

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<v Speaker 2>Bitter?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, nice. So I think we said probably a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times that people have been using dandelions for

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of reasons, not just as potterbs, for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. One of the earlier mentions we can find

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Arabic world. A couple of physicians named

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<v Speaker 1>Rozi's and Avicenna both wrote about some of the properties

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<v Speaker 1>of dandelions and dandelion roots back in the tenth and

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<v Speaker 1>eleventh centuries, and most of what they were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>was its use as a diuretic and medicinally speaking, that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most famous property that dandelions have, as they

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<v Speaker 1>make you pee. And in fact, there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>names that refer to that, depending on where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>For dandelions, that were to the fact that they make

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<v Speaker 1>you pee, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>In France they're called the apparently more than they're called

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<v Speaker 4>the dentte leone, they're called the pisson lit, which means

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<v Speaker 4>you know, pepe in the night, and a folk name

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<v Speaker 4>in England.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a pissipad for the same reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know, apparently it's it's all the potassium

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<v Speaker 4>in there that's going to stimulate your nation. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because of that, diuretics are used for a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, medicinally now and historically, if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to work something through your system and pee it out,

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<v Speaker 4>dandelions is a good way to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and very famously in the American Midwest they're called

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<v Speaker 1>peepee weeds. Oh that's that's totally made up.

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<v Speaker 3>I should say, Oh, that's not true either.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just made it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. I got you back for the what

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<v Speaker 1>was the lateral gene transfer gospel group that you got

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<v Speaker 1>me with?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh geez, I don't even remember now it was that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've only gotten you once.

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<v Speaker 4>The score is Josh three thousand one. Oh man, there

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<v Speaker 4>was a sixteenth century book too. What was the name

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<v Speaker 4>of that one?

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<v Speaker 1>People call it Garden of Health because the full title

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<v Speaker 1>of it is containing the sundry, rare and hidden virtues

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<v Speaker 1>of all kinds of simples and plants, together with the

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<v Speaker 1>manner of how they are used and applied in medicine

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<v Speaker 1>for the health of man's body against diverse diseases and

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<v Speaker 1>infirmities most common against men, gathered by the long experience

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<v Speaker 1>and industry of William Langham, practitioner of physic That's the

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<v Speaker 1>actual title of that book, which is why there's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just going to call it Garden of Health.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Garden of Health really says what that says.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, he didn't need all that extra stuff. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like the introduction. I think he put the introduction in

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<v Speaker 1>the title.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was a little did it say? The end?

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<v Speaker 1>At the end pretty much.

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<v Speaker 4>This is from, like I said, the sixteenth century, and

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<v Speaker 4>it talked a lot about, you know, all the kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of things they thought it could help back then, toothache,

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<v Speaker 4>fever's depression, even baldness. But they also talked about growing

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<v Speaker 4>it alongside other vegetables. And herbs in the garden, and

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<v Speaker 4>you duck up this kind of cool fact. It's ethylene

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<v Speaker 4>gas that they released. So if you actually grow dandelions

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<v Speaker 4>or have dandelions growing near fruiting plants like tomatoes, they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to ripen faster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that neat super cool. Yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>cover a lot of actually pretty cool little benefits I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that they provide. But let's keep going with the

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<v Speaker 1>tradition of using them medicinally, shall we. Sure there's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named John Girard who wrote a book in the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thirties and he's like, hey, I want to contribute

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<v Speaker 1>to this too. I've found that dandelion strengthens the weak stomach,

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<v Speaker 1>and which is important because actually, if you use the

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<v Speaker 1>roots of a dandelion, it contains a lot of inulin,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an important prebiotic for gut health. So John

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<v Speaker 1>Girard wasn't just whistling dixie.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 4>It turns out they have more vitamin A than spinach,

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<v Speaker 4>more vitamin C than tomatoes. They've got a ton we

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<v Speaker 4>already mentioned potassium, but also a lot of calcium, a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of iron, and then a lot of words that

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<v Speaker 4>I can barely pronounce that you found that it's packed

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<v Speaker 4>with starting with flavonoids, that's the only one I had

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<v Speaker 4>heard of.

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<v Speaker 1>Has triterpenes, sesquiterpenes, phenolic acid, sterols, and cumerants, and they

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<v Speaker 1>bestow things like antibacterial, antioxidant, anti inflammatory, hepadoprotective, and anti

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<v Speaker 1>tumor properties. And you dug up a lot of ways

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<v Speaker 1>that they actually help health.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, So, I mean we can talk all day

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<v Speaker 4>about like the ways that people thought it would help

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<v Speaker 4>you back in the sixteenth century, but people might poo

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<v Speaker 4>poo something like that, But there have been modern studies.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just give you a few examples. There was a

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<v Speaker 4>study from twenty fifteen in Canada that reported that dandelion

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<v Speaker 4>extract can block ultraviolet UVB radiations crazy when applied to

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<v Speaker 4>the skin, it can also irritate the skin. So don't

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily just like take dandelions and like start rubbing them

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<v Speaker 4>all over yourself at the pool. There was a twenty

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen review of studies from a university in Denmark that

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<v Speaker 4>suggests that dandelion extracts actually stimulates pancreatic cells to produce insulin,

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<v Speaker 4>so it could potentially help control blood sugar, right, and what.

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<v Speaker 3>About there was one on the liver too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I said it was Hepato protective, which means it

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<v Speaker 1>helps the liver. And actually it goes in and like

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<v Speaker 1>just kicks butt in your liver. It slows the progression

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<v Speaker 1>of fibrosis, which is scarring of the liver, and the

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<v Speaker 1>extract actually inactivates the cells that cause fibrosis in the

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<v Speaker 1>liver and essentially your liver, as everybody knows, it can

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<v Speaker 1>regenerate itself. Once the dandelion extract has gone in and

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<v Speaker 1>stopped the fibrosis, the liver can heal. So it's incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>helpful with protecting the liver from damage. I mean, that's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like it was designed to do that for

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<v Speaker 1>the liver. It's that effective.

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<v Speaker 4>I do want to mention the cancer one because Emily

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<v Speaker 4>had a very funny, very Emily line. There was a

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty man, why do I do that lately? Twelve?

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<v Speaker 3>I did that. I did that a lot. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>is happening?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a study from the University of Windsor in Canada

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<v Speaker 4>about dandelion root extract can induce apoptosis, which is cell death.

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<v Speaker 4>And pancreatic and prostate cancer and test tube and their

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<v Speaker 4>cells in the test tubes potentially preventing their spread. So

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<v Speaker 4>this is something Emily new and this morning she was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's so like modern American at the very least, to

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<v Speaker 4>take something that could actually help fight cancer and sprayue

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<v Speaker 4>chemicals on it to kill it it cause cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she stormed out of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we have to learn the hard way, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is reassuring that things seem to be coming full circle,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I feel like people are getting a little more

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<v Speaker 4>eyes open to stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're getting on board the dandelion train. So one

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<v Speaker 1>thing about those studies that you said, like, they're essentially

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<v Speaker 1>confirming to our modern tastes what the Chinese knew all

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<v Speaker 1>the way back in six point fifty nine CE, people

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<v Speaker 1>like Nicholas Culpepper knew in the eighteenth century. All these

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<v Speaker 1>people wrote about this stuff and just how effective it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And then now science is going in and saying these

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<v Speaker 1>people were right, and here's how it is effective. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's pretty cool. And in part because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>the dandelion is being rehabilitated. But first I think we

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<v Speaker 1>need to mention you said that it came by North America.

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<v Speaker 1>I piped up on purpose, I think more than once,

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<v Speaker 1>even I was so excited about that. And it's possible

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually on the Mayflower. It arrived that early.

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<v Speaker 1>And they think that because of plant migration, as we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about before, the dandelion may have spread ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans as they entered further and further into the North

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<v Speaker 1>American continent, and so Native Americans that they encountered may

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<v Speaker 1>have already been using dandelions in some of their medicines.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, absolutely. They were drinking it in tonics. They

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<v Speaker 4>were boiling it with fatty meats, which it sounds disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>It does it really, unless you're talking about something like

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<v Speaker 1>collards with like hamhocks or something that sounds okay. But

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, I imagine a pot of boiling water with

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<v Speaker 1>a skin of fat just bubbling at the top and

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<v Speaker 1>some dandelion leaves floating around in it.

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<v Speaker 4>And we'll talk about you know, more ways you can

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<v Speaker 4>eat it, but it's long been used in like cordials

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<v Speaker 4>and beers, like the dandelion root. You can you know,

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<v Speaker 4>grind it up and use it as like a coffee substitute,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like chicory. So you know, people were using

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<v Speaker 4>it for metal, they were using it for old kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of folk remedies and foods and things, largely because again

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<v Speaker 4>it was everywhere. It grows in not very good soil.

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<v Speaker 4>They can it's considered a perennial because they can live

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<v Speaker 4>well because like you said, they're kind of growing year round,

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<v Speaker 4>but they can live for more.

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<v Speaker 3>Than ten years, and they don't mess with them and

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<v Speaker 3>kill them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that's pretty cool too. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the other things I saw, there's a book called The

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<v Speaker 1>Economical Housewife from the eighteen fifties that it might be

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<v Speaker 1>the first recipe for dandelion wine, and people still make

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<v Speaker 1>that today, and it's actually super easy. You just take

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<v Speaker 1>some dandelion flours, some water. Eventually you had some sugar

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<v Speaker 1>and some lemon, let it sit for a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>strain it out, and then let it sit for another

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<v Speaker 1>week in age, and you've got yourself some dandelion wine.

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds deliciously easy or maybe easily delicious, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the two, but I'd love to try. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever had dandelion wine or dandelion beer or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. I mean, it's definitely a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Ray Bradbury had a novel called Dandelion Wine from nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>fifty seven, so it's something that's been enjoyed all over

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<v Speaker 4>the world.

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<v Speaker 3>In France they use it.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes they'll take the leaves and blanch them and spread

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<v Speaker 4>them with bread and butter. Like it sounds like if

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<v Speaker 4>there's not a Brooklyn restaurant serving dandelion toast at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and what is happening in our life?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It sounds like fairy toast like the

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<v Speaker 1>Australians love, but with dandelion leaves instead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also, you know, just a salad, a salad green component,

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<v Speaker 4>and like we said, it is very bitter, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>using all kinds of salad. Sometimes it's the only kind

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<v Speaker 4>of leaf using a salad. Sometimes it can be mixed

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<v Speaker 4>in with other things. But in France they have one

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<v Speaker 4>called the salad de pisson lits from that original name,

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<v Speaker 4>that's got bacon in it and dandelion leaves.

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<v Speaker 3>It just you know, sounds pretty good to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Apparently that was a common dish during the depression

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<v Speaker 1>in America. Too, because it was just cheap, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounds delicious too. I say, we take a

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<v Speaker 1>break and we come back and talk about another surprising

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<v Speaker 1>use of dandelion that I hadn't heard of until this,

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<v Speaker 1>but you probably did because of Emily.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I delighted her with that fact as well, So we'll

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<v Speaker 4>be right back, all right. So Josh said that he

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't heard of this cool fact. I hadn't heard of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Emily hadn't heard of it, and I think it may

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<v Speaker 4>be the fact of the podcast. But dandelions are a

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<v Speaker 4>source of natural rubber.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty cool, I would I would take issue with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it has to do with the vortices over

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<v Speaker 1>the pappy or the fact that they're potterbs. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>this one's good. It's up there. Maybe they're all tied

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>for first. I don't know, but hey.

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 4>That means we've got a good topic if there are several,

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 4>right competitors.

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so not just any dandelion produces rubber or

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>latex that can be turned into rubber. A specific type

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>of dandelion they figured out the Kazakh dandelion, which is

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>native to the Eurasian steps. How'd you like that it's

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.400
<v Speaker 1>also called the Russian dandelion here in the United States.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:47.120
<v Speaker 1>That specific one puts out enough latex that it gave

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.719
<v Speaker 1>rubber trees a run for their money. During World War Two,

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>which we've talked about many times, America and Britain were like,

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>we need more rubber for the war effort in the

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Japanese control. Essentially all of the rubbers apply at war

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>with the Japanese, so we better come up with something

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 1>else quick.

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 4>So they literally started screening like thousands and thousands of plants,

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 4>and then I guess they're like, hey, if the rubber

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 4>tree can grow rubber, there's got to be something else

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 4>out there. The Soviets are the ones who said, try

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 4>this Kazakh dandelion, and because of shortages during the wars,

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 4>they said, here, here's a bunch of seeds, and they

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.959
<v Speaker 4>send a bunch of those Kazakh seeds the Soviet allies

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 4>at the time in the nineteen forties, and ultimately we

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 4>use some of it. Russians, Americans, and Germans did produce

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 4>rubber from dandelions. It's very hearty. It can be susceptible

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 4>to disease, though, depending what kind of disease but also

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 4>grows everywhere and serves as a pollinator and it doesn't

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 4>deforce things. So the big problem though, and I nowhere

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 4>m's like, oh my god, is this the miracle we've

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 4>all been hoping for with rubber. It just doesn't yield

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 4>much as the Russian said it did, and so it's

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 4>not economically viable as long as the real rubber tree

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 4>is around.

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>They released some paper that overstated how much rubber it

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 1>can be gotten from the dandelion because they wanted to

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:15.199
<v Speaker 1>sound like big shots.

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>So the reason why we didn't just keep going with

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>dandelion rubber research in trying to figure out how to

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>increase yields is because in the meantime, people figured out

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>we could make synthetic rubber from petroleum. It was almost

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 1>as good as natural rubber, and it certainly was a

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>good enough substitute, and we could just make batch after

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>batch after batch rather than have to try to yield

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>it from dandelion. So that fell to the wayside, and

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>then by the time World War two ended, we had

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>access to natural rubber supplies from the southeast Southeast Asia,

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>i should say, and so all that kind of put

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>dandelion rubber on the back shelf. But in the what

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>eighty almost a hundred years, jeez, since World War Two.

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I remember when that was like just like that was

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>firmly like forty to fifty years in the past, and

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it just keeps getting further and further away. It's really awful.

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>But we've kind of figured out in the introim that

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>synthetic rubber it's useful, but there's nothing that can match

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>natural rubber for like grip, heat, dissipation, all sorts of

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>other properties. So we're starting to go back to look

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>at sources for natural rubber, including ones that are more

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 1>sustainable than the rubber trees, which require you basically DeForest

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and then plant the rubber trees to create a plantation

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.959
<v Speaker 1>with dandelions. You don't have to do that stuff.

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Now you got a big field, you can have dandelions,

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 4>and like I said, it grows and it doesn't have.

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 3>To be great soil.

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 4>You can grow it hydroponically, without soil at all. You

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 4>can grow it in the air, which is aeroponically. It's

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 4>pretty amazing, and I think it's one of those things

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 4>where like anytime you have a monoculture plant like that,

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 4>like the rubber tree.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 3>It makes people a little bit nervous.

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 4>Besides the deporestation, like have anything ever happened like some

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of weird blight, and the rubber trees were just,

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, not a candidate anymore. You got dandelions kind

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 4>of waiting on deck with their bat right.

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of surprising that it went from this

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>really prized plant in so many ways to a hated weed,

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>especially in Europe and the United States. And you hit

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 1>upon why it became a hitted weed. You use the

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>word monoculture, and the largest monoculture here in the United

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>States are people's lawns. And for part of the esthetic

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>of the lawn, you cannot have dandelions breaking up that perfect,

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>unbroken sea of green grass. You got a dandelion popping up,

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing's ruined. Basically, that's the way people think

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of dandelions and lawns these days, or have since about

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the fifties.

0:29:55.240 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 4>Essentially, that beautiful yellow flower, stop it right, dig it up.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, that's what happened.

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 4>And we've gone over this before, but just sort of

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 4>as a quick overview, this is the kind of thing

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 4>that came over from England starting in the seventeenth century

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 4>is when British aristocracy really started to get into these

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 4>perfect sort of croquet croquet playing lawns, I guess is

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 4>what you would call them. And then in America it

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 4>was post World War Two when suburbanization really took hold.

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 4>Lawnmowers really came into their own. Everyone was like, Hey,

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 4>we've got these great new chemicals that'll kill everything except

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 4>and make the grass grow really really well, and it's

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 4>just modern and tidy and good looking, and that really

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of transformed the United States, you know, like, keep

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 4>up that lawn, make a perfect green lawn if you

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 4>want to keep your property value over everybody.

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Big one and Kyle also dug up another reason too

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that once the Cold War rolled around, conformity was equated

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>with safety. So if you weren't keeping your lawn trim

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>like everybody else, what's going on with you? You're making

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>me feel a little bit nervous because you're not conforming.

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>You must be a red spy hiding out in suburbia, basically, right,

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a really important kind of overlooked

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>driver for things like perfectly manicured lawns and everybody having

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of thing.

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And speaking of driver, the other I don't think

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.719
<v Speaker 4>we've ever mentioned contributor to this nice was in the

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 4>nineteen fifties.

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Golf started being televised.

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 4>In nineteen fifty seven, you got golf on television for

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 4>the first time, and people look at Augusta National and

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 4>these golf courses that were beautifully manicured and aesthetically pleasing

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 4>to the eye, and they're like, hey, I need to

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 4>get some of that in my front yard. Maybe I

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 4>can practice chipping some balls around in my front yard.

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also, if you're sitting there thinking like, Wow, I

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>really love hearing these guys talk about grass, but I'd

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>love to hear them have a dispute over it, you

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>should go listen to How Our Grass Works episode. It's

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>actually a pretty good way. It's a classic stuff you

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>should know episode.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 3>It totally is.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, all that preamble about you know, us poopa

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 4>and lawns and why America did that brought us to this,

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 4>which is weeds became enemy number one and dandelions were

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 4>maybe even near the top of that list.

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of reasons why. For all the

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>reasons that they're valuable, the pollinators and other kinds of plants,

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and that they can grow in marginal lands and basically

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>everywhere is it makes them an enemy as a weed

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to create a monoculture lawn, right. So,

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>they can regenerate from like a one inch section of root,

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>which means that if you cut a dandelion off at

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the even below ground level, it's like good, you know, good,

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>try pal, but it just sprouts right back up. You

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>have to dig them up, and even after you dig

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>them up, you might not get them because one of

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the things that I didn't know about dandelions is I

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>knew they grew from a tap root. You have to

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>get that tap root up or else it's just feudile. Yeah,

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>but that tap root can grow, depending on the age

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>of the dandelion, over a dozen feet meters four meters

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>into the ground meters.

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that makes.

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It really hard to get rid of. And so if

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you're like a grounds keeper for a golf course or

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>something like that, you have to really keep up with

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the dandelions because they'll spread really fast and they're really

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>hard to get rid of once you do start trying

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of them.

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure, I got to say this last fact

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 4>from Kyle because it goes back to the lawns, but

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 4>this really kind of drives at home of about how

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 4>not great a perfect green lawn is for our society.

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 4>There's a study in two thousand and five residential lawns

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 4>in the United States make up two percent of the

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 4>land but require more irrigation than any domestic agricultural crop.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I've got one to piggyback on that. Let's see the

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>US Fish and Wildlife Service says that homeowners use up

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to ten times more pesticides per acre then farmers use

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>on their crops. So we're using this stuff over using it,

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and we're using it on stuff that's not productive land

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:18.919
<v Speaker 1>just to keep up with the Joneses. So they don't

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>think we're communist spies.

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I walk Gibson in the mornings and

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 4>there are the only lawns that he ever like rubs

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 4>his face in are the most perfect green ones. And

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 4>I know that it's because they have recently been sprayed,

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 4>and he smells it and is trying to rub all

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 4>in that stuff, and it drives me bonkers.

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's a like I would love to just

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>let my lawn and use me too. Just go to

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>like wildflowers, go to weeds, you know, just mow it.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>You keep it mowed, but at a higher height. But yeah,

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you just let this stuff grow and we would be

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>completely we would stick out like a sore thrum from

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the neighborhood, so much of their neighbors

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>would be mad at us. That's how that's how entrenched.

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>The idea of having a perfect lawn is still in

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the United States, depending on where you live.

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure, And like no one around there even

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 4>does like permaculture and you know, other options besides just

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.280
<v Speaker 4>letting it grow wild and crazy.

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's nuts. So we definitely draw a line.

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>So we're like, Okay, we'll keep up with the lawn,

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>but don't touch the you know, the shrubbery, the perennials,

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the garden essentially, right, But people will hire the same

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>company to like treat their lawn with chemicals, to spray

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 1>their bushes and spray their gardens with chemicals to kill

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>off the bugs. And then they have to go in

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>and try to recreate the stuff that the bugs are

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>doing for free, the services they're providing because you've killed

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>off the bugs it's it's insane to me, So we

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>definitely don't don't. We don't cot into that.

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there was speaking of bugs. It was a scientific

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 4>review in twenty nineteen that found that the global massive

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 4>insects is falling at a rate of about two and a.

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Half percent per year.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 4>And dandelions is a high high on the list of pollinators.

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 4>Caterpillars love munching on them, Moths loves munching on them,

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 4>and all those bees and butterflies love doing their thing

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 4>on them. So even you know, I'm not trying to

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 4>shame people, but let's say you do like your lawn

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 4>and everything, even waiting in the spring, like longer to

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 4>cut it, even cutting it higher, letting the dandelions grow

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 4>up a little bit before you start whacking them down.

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 4>Even that minimal amount will help out a little bit.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is a non chemical way I saw to

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 1>treat your turf grass for dandelions is to let your

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>grass grow longer than you have been like cutting it

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>at a higher mower height.

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:53.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because as.

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>We talked about, dandelion leaves are so low growing that

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the grass will shade out and out compete the dandelions.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So if you really do want to get rid of dandelions,

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>but you don't want to use chemicals. That's a pretty

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>good way to do it from what I've seen.

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 4>Some states have actual programs or just one in Minnesota

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 4>called Lawns to Legumes, which is a great title. They

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 4>launched that in twenty nineteen where they just basically incini

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 4>incentivized people to say, get rid of that lawn, put

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<v Speaker 4>in flowering plants, put in beds. You can have a

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<v Speaker 4>rebate if you have a pollinator friendly native wildflower scene

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<v Speaker 4>at your house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I didn't look up the amount, but I would

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<v Speaker 1>guess at a minimum the rebate is worth a million dollars, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be my guess, you think. So, there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other things that I found that dandelions, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you looked at it or not, that they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of provide services to the plants growing around them, including grass,

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<v Speaker 1>because as we mentioned, those tap roots, they grow really deep,

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<v Speaker 1>and as they're growing deep, they're actually accessing nutrients that

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<v Speaker 1>other plants around them, again, including grass, the roots of

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>those plants can't reach because it's too deep, and it

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 1>brings those nutrients up toward the surface, and as the

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>dandelion dies off, the other plants to get to eat

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<v Speaker 1>those nutrients that they otherwise wouldn't have had access to.

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<v Speaker 1>And those same roots also air rate and loose and

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>compacted dirt too, which makes it easier for the plants

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<v Speaker 1>around the dandelions to grow.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything dandelions can't do?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're not super fragrant.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's true. They're pretty much useless in that sun.

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<v Speaker 3>But they can grant a child of wish.

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<v Speaker 1>They sure can, man, they sure can. I remember doing

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<v Speaker 1>that so many times. I keep trying to do that

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<v Speaker 1>with my dandelion puffhead in resin and it's not working.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have anything else, so I'm kind of looking

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<v Speaker 4>over the list here, I kind of all over the place.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's just sort of one of those episodes where

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, well, here's a list of one hundred amazing things.

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<v Speaker 4>And so sometimes those are a little tougher to organize.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they can be pretty fun too. I had

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<v Speaker 1>fun at least.

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<v Speaker 3>How about you and that rubber thing? Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>Since neither one of us has anything else about dandelions,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to call it quits on this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>which means we've just activated listener mail.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, no listener mail today.

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<v Speaker 4>Because what we're going to do with something we haven't

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 4>done in a while is help support and bring some

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<v Speaker 4>attention to a great cause, our friends from the Cooperative

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<v Speaker 4>for Education aka co ED, whose mission it is to

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<v Speaker 4>break the cycle of poverty and Guatemala through education. And

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<v Speaker 4>we've been working with them for fifteen years, and we

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<v Speaker 4>got a new thing coming up with them, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we do. So first, let me just explain over

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.439
<v Speaker 1>one point three million dollars and contributions have been made

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<v Speaker 1>to co ED thanks to our partnership with them at

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know for fifteen years. That's really good,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask me, that's incredible, which means that one

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty kids have been given like a huge

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>leg up to escape poverty and create like break intergenerational

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>poverty and create literally like a new life for their

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<v Speaker 1>entire family from that point on.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we went down there, I guess fifteen years

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<v Speaker 4>ago when they invited us very early on and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>you should know canon, yeah, in our history, and we

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 4>went down to Guatemala and those shows we did some

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 4>shows on that trip and that visit we get to

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<v Speaker 4>actually hear Jerry speak, which is pretty exciting. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're just great that we've been working with them ever

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<v Speaker 4>since and the fact that the stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 4>Army has raised one point three million bucks for them

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<v Speaker 4>over the past fifteen years is going to be a

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<v Speaker 4>real proud part of our legacy. But we have a

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 4>call to action, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so you can joined we're starting a drive essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, that's right. You can join the cooperative, which

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 1>is a program of theirs, for twenty dollars a month

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and you'll collectively sponsor. There are a bunch of students

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<v Speaker 1>in the Rise Youth Development program, right, that's right, and

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>so it's going to get spread out. You're going to

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>be helping a bunch of kids at once, so you

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>can feel good like five times over with each each

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>monthly donation. And then in twenty twenty five, more than

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>eleven hundred students will be able to start school in

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.919
<v Speaker 1>World Guatemala, which will be their biggest class ever. They

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.399
<v Speaker 1>need help to make that happen, which is why we're

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<v Speaker 1>saying join the cooperative.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, and as an incentive if this is for you.

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<v Speaker 4>If you set up your gift by Tuesday, December third,

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 4>then you are signed up for a chance to do

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 4>a virtual hangout with Josh and I. We do this

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 4>every year around the same time. It's always a lot

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 4>of fun. We hang out with I don't know, if

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 4>six or eight people all over the country and they

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 4>get to just you know, ask us questions and tell

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 4>us that we're cool or dumb or whatever.

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 3>It's your chance to really hand it to us if

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 3>that's what you're after.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, hopefully don't do that, but sure, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if you've given to co ED and you

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to do whatever you want to with, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>So just go to Cooperative for Education dot org. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the word cooperative f o R education dot org slash

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 4>s y s k and start giving.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. A little bit goes a long way down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And in the meantime, while you're looking up Cooperative

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>for Education dot org slash s y s k, you

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.799
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