WEBVTT - 25 Greatest Science Ideas Countdown: Day 3

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. Guess what Will? What's that? Mango? I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it, but we are already halfway through our countdown

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<v Speaker 1>to the twenty five best science ideas from the past

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So twelve and a half in exactly twelve and a

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<v Speaker 1>half in, and I don't know about you, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like these stories keep getting better and better.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's kind of how it countdown works, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you should tell people what is coming

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<v Speaker 2>up next, preview it well.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode has five stories, including what NASCAR does to

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<v Speaker 1>our brains, a clock that changed the way we think

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<v Speaker 1>about time, and our attempt to explain particle physics through music.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that even possible?

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one way to find out, so let's dive in. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>their podcast listener is welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>mungkish Heatikaur and as always I'm joined by my good

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<v Speaker 1>friend Will Pearson and our palam producer Dylan is over

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<v Speaker 1>there in the booth wearing his lucky sunglasses. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have a good feeling about today's episode. So in case

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<v Speaker 1>you're wondering. Yes, he does have unlucky sunglasses. We had

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<v Speaker 1>to ask him to stop wearing them during the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Only the lucky sunglasses. That's right, it was a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Before we get into the countdown, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>Someone has to do a show on three D printing

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<v Speaker 1>and we're planning one in the works. And this week

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<v Speaker 1>someone named Elliott wrote the best podcast My name is Elliot?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I like that, which is the greatest narrative. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>went from how he felt about the podcast to his name.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was good, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Elliott, if you're listening messages on our Instagram so

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<v Speaker 1>we can send you something fun. But let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it just hit me Dylan is probably wearing those

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<v Speaker 2>glasses because you know what's next on our countown mango.

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<v Speaker 1>That Dylan is so clever. Okay, so the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>we're covering today is NASCAR now. Over the years, there

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<v Speaker 1>have been lots of studies on NASCAR to improve the

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<v Speaker 1>safety for drivers. There have been research papers on how

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<v Speaker 1>the car's bodies and safety measures affect injuries. NASCAR also

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<v Speaker 1>awarded a grant to Michigan State University to study everything

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<v Speaker 1>from heat exhaustion and drivers to figure out better exercises

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<v Speaker 1>and diet regimen for the athletes. And there have been

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<v Speaker 1>studies on why fatherhood affects driver is because NASCAR drivers

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<v Speaker 1>often drop one point six places on average the year

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<v Speaker 1>after having a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it does kind of make you wonder like if

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<v Speaker 2>it's at all related to the fact that they're probably

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping less.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably part of it. But scientists also

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesize that when you have a kid, you think about

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<v Speaker 1>your mortality. Mon Yeah, and so you might be less

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<v Speaker 1>prone to make risky moves on the course. That makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense anyway. The most interesting study I read about was

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<v Speaker 1>done by this psychologist, Guy Vidioloni from West Virginia University

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<v Speaker 1>Institute of Technology, and it's a four year study called

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<v Speaker 1>quote Driving under the Influence of Nascar. It isn't so

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<v Speaker 1>much about what happens on the track as it is

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<v Speaker 1>how the races influence people watching at home. So, according

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<v Speaker 1>to NPR, Vidilioni looked at all the traffic accidents that

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<v Speaker 1>took place in West Virginia and then whittled it down

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<v Speaker 1>to accidents that mimicked what happened on a racetrack. So

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<v Speaker 1>these were things like pile ups of multiple cars or

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<v Speaker 1>accidents where there was aggressive driving. And his conclusion was

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<v Speaker 1>that five days after major NASCAR races, there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>spike in traffic accidents. Now Villelioni actually put in a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of controls to make sure he wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>saying something wild. He wanted to be really conservative about

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<v Speaker 1>his conclusions. But he counted about six hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>extra accidents on West Virginia roads in the days after

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<v Speaker 1>the races, essentially because people were quote acting out NASCAR

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<v Speaker 1>in their own driving this wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Although the thing that stands out to me, Mango is like,

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<v Speaker 2>why is this on the fifth day after a race

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<v Speaker 2>instead of like immediately after. I don't think he figured

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<v Speaker 2>that part out exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he theorized that maybe it's because races tend to

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<v Speaker 1>take place on weekends and so a Thursday or Friday

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<v Speaker 1>after it tends to be the days that you let

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<v Speaker 1>loose after a rough week. But his study is really

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<v Speaker 1>pointing to the subtle ways that media affects behavior in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. Now, NASCAR is just one example of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Another famous case is of the MTV show sixteen Pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>where the reality show actually captured the difficulties for high

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<v Speaker 1>school students trying to raise kids, and people were really

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<v Speaker 1>affected by it. The show led to a five point

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent reduction in teen births, which apparently was a

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<v Speaker 1>third of the overall decline in teen berths in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Academics actually sometimes refer to it as the you are

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<v Speaker 2>what you watch phenomenon, and it's pretty interesting to see,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like how MLK talked about the interracial kiss

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<v Speaker 2>on the original Star Trek being one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>important moments on television, or how President Joe Biden credited

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<v Speaker 2>Will and Grace with changing America's perception of gays more

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<v Speaker 2>than just about anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. So anyway, this whole NASCAR thing won't

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<v Speaker 1>be a problem ten to fifteen years from now, when

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<v Speaker 1>we're all taking way Mos everywhere and getting chow for

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<v Speaker 1>around and robotic cars. But until then, all you NASCAR

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<v Speaker 1>watchers out there, he doctor Vilioni's advice, and be a

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<v Speaker 1>little mindful of how you're driving the week after a

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<v Speaker 1>big race. We want to keep you safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Mago. Let's say you are a clockmaker. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to say that. Okay, Now you've built a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful time piece that counts hours and minutes. But now

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a problem. You want your clock to count

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<v Speaker 2>each second with pinpoint accuracy. So how do you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out you need to crack open the periodic

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<v Speaker 2>table because according to the International System of Units, this

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<v Speaker 2>is how you measure a second. Quote. The second is

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<v Speaker 2>defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the cesium frequency,

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<v Speaker 2>the unperturbed ground state high per fine transition frequency of

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<v Speaker 2>the cesium one thirty three atom to be nine billion,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ninety two million, six hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand, seven hundred and seventy when expressed in the

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<v Speaker 2>unit hurts, which is equal to s the power of

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<v Speaker 2>negative one. You got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the definition of a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the definition of a second. I got lost

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<v Speaker 2>in the reading of it, but as you may have noticed,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit complicated. So the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>measure it is with an atomic clock. And the way

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<v Speaker 2>this work sounds completely made out, but I promise it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually real. Basically, an atomic clock is a machine that

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<v Speaker 2>shoots laser beams at caesium ions, measures frequency at which

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<v Speaker 2>their electrons jump to different energy levels, and then sends

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<v Speaker 2>the readings to a place called the International Bureau of

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<v Speaker 2>Weights and Measures. So this is a real place. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a real inner governmental organization. Yeah, and it's actually based

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<v Speaker 2>in France.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got laser clock sending data to friends. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'm with you that far.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm glad you're keeping up. So there are around

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred and fifty atomic clocks in the world, all

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<v Speaker 2>sending these readings. So timekeepers at the International Bureau of

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<v Speaker 2>Weights and Measures they crunch these numbers from the clocks

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<v Speaker 2>and then vote on the quote official time, which they

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<v Speaker 2>publish in a monthly publication that comes out monthly called

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<v Speaker 2>Circular Tea.

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought i'd say this about anything that involves caesium,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, that is pretty adorably whimsical.

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<v Speaker 2>It is in a way, but it's all so pretty

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<v Speaker 2>serious stuff like this process is how we determine what's

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<v Speaker 2>called international atomic time. And a standard atomic clock made

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<v Speaker 2>with caesium is so accurate it can keep time for

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred million years without skipping a beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But starting in the mid ads, researchers at the National

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<v Speaker 2>Institute of Standards and Technology, or in IST, a federal

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<v Speaker 2>lab in Colorado, they began developing a new generation of

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<v Speaker 2>atomic clocks that could make caesium seem outdated.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, so what makes these atomic clocks so special?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they use aluminum instead of caesium, so basically a

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<v Speaker 2>positive aluminum twenty seven ion. In two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>NIST scientists built something they call the quantum logic clock.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It contains a single aluminum ion cooled to nearly absolute zero,

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<v Speaker 2>shot with an ultraviolet laser, and the aluminum ion acts

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<v Speaker 2>like the second hand on a clock, so it ticks

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<v Speaker 2>by jumping up and down between energy levels. But instead

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<v Speaker 2>of ticking once for every secondecond, it takes a quadrillion

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<v Speaker 2>times per second. That is a big number, man, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's so accurate it won't lose a second for thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three billion years. That's almost triple the age of the

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<v Speaker 2>observable universe.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really hard to imagine, yeah, or hard to

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<v Speaker 1>put to the test, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And this aluminum clock does more than just tell time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's even changing our understanding of space time because researchers

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<v Speaker 2>have used it to test Einstein's theory of relativity. According

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<v Speaker 2>to Einstein's theory, gravity affects the passage of time, So

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<v Speaker 2>the stronger the pull of gravity, the slower the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a result of this, somebody who lives in

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<v Speaker 2>the mountains of Colorado, where gravity's pull is slightly lower,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll age faster than somebody who lives at sea level. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the quantum logic clock is so sensitive it actually proved

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<v Speaker 2>that a person's standing at the top of a staircase

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<v Speaker 2>or someone standing on a stool experienced a faster passage

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<v Speaker 2>of time. It showed that each additional foot of height

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<v Speaker 2>adds about ninety bills adience of a second to your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>So NBA players would live longer than jockeys as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a dumb question to ask, why do we

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<v Speaker 1>need clocks to be this accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fair question, but take GPS for example. GPS

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<v Speaker 2>isn't just a location tracking technology. It's also a type

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<v Speaker 2>of clock. So if you're driving down the highway and

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<v Speaker 2>the GPS is five seconds late telling you to take

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<v Speaker 2>an exit, you'd be pretty mad about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>For the GPS to be useful, it needs to show

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<v Speaker 2>both an accurate location and an accurate time. It needs

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<v Speaker 2>that time to be precise down to the second. And

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that's true for a lot of other

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<v Speaker 2>technologies as well. Take telecommunications, satellite networks, radio signals, lots

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<v Speaker 2>more things like this. Anyway, it's hard to overstate the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of this quantum logic clock in the nerdy and

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful world of timekeeping. Those caesium clocks that impressed you

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of this segment will eventually end up

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<v Speaker 2>being obsolete. And while experiments with other elements are ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>right now, aluminum is the leading contender to become the

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<v Speaker 2>ticking heart of what we call a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, listeners, do not go anywhere. We've got to pause

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<v Speaker 1>for a quick break. But there is so much weird

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<v Speaker 1>science right after Welcome back to part time Genius. When

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking the twenty five greatest science ideas of the

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<v Speaker 1>last twenty five years, and we're up to number. So

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<v Speaker 1>it probably won't surprise you to learn that water is

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<v Speaker 1>the most consumed material on Earth. But can you guess

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<v Speaker 1>what comes in second m I'm gonna go with coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I might have guessed that too, but know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is concrete.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really?

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<v Speaker 1>Since the Industrial Revolution, humans have poured nearly nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion tons of concrete, and nowadays we're pouring the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>at a breakneck speed, especially in the developing world. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>in the time period between twenty eleven and twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>China poured more cement than the US did during the

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<v Speaker 1>entire twentieth century. Oh wow, isn't that incredible? But all

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<v Speaker 1>that concrete has a big downside. It's responsible for eight

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<v Speaker 1>to nine percent of global carbon dioxide emissions.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought of concrete as being such a big

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<v Speaker 2>pollution problem. I know, it's not a great thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>think of, you know, the sidewalks and things that cars

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<v Speaker 2>drive on, but I didn't think of it in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't realize it either. But apparently making concrete

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<v Speaker 1>is an energy intensive process. So it starts by taking

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<v Speaker 1>limestone and baking it to temperatures over twenty six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>degrees fahrenheit. That kind of heat requires powerful kilns fired

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<v Speaker 1>by fossil fuels, and that's just to make cement. To

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<v Speaker 1>turn cement into concrete, you have to add aggregates like sand,

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<v Speaker 1>and really lots of it. As a result, sand mining

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<v Speaker 1>is a big business around the world. We've actually talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this before. There's even a burgeoning black market for sand,

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<v Speaker 1>backed by a so called sand mafias. Anyway, this dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>mix of pollution, mining and mafias got scientists wondering how

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<v Speaker 1>to make concrete production more green, Like what if we

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<v Speaker 1>supplemented sand with something else, something more sustainable, something that

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<v Speaker 1>could reduce concrete carbon footprint. And it's something that you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned just a few minutes ago. Wait, coffee, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>so coffee nic Every day humans drank two billion cups

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee and most of the coffee grinds just end

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<v Speaker 1>up in a landfill. But in twenty twenty three, Australian

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<v Speaker 1>engineering researchers had an idea, what if we used those

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<v Speaker 1>ground up beans to make concrete. So that's what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They scorched coffee grounds to about six hundred degrees, which

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<v Speaker 1>made the grounds break down into a substance called biochar,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically charcoal, and when they began testing, they

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that if you replaced just fifteen percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>sand in concrete with coffee fueled biochar, the concrete becomes

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<v Speaker 1>thirty percent stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>And how does that actually work.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out the biochart retains water better than sand,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a result, the concrete dries slower than usual,

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<v Speaker 1>which reduces the risk of shrinking and cracking, helping it

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<v Speaker 1>maintain its strength. There are actually two benefits to this discovery. One,

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<v Speaker 1>by using spent coffee, it reduces the demand for sand,

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<v Speaker 1>and two, by making concrete stronger, it reduces the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of cement required for each bag, and with less cement

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<v Speaker 1>and sand required, the total carbon footprint of each bag

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<v Speaker 1>of concrete could drop significantly. As it happens, a major

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<v Speaker 1>industry group called the Global Cement and Concrete Association has

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<v Speaker 1>pledged to go carbon neutral by twenty fifty and thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to those coffee loving Aussies, they've got a really strong

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<v Speaker 1>foundation to work with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an incredible discovery and asoso pun mego, I'll take

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<v Speaker 2>it all right now, mego. We happen to be living

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<v Speaker 2>through one of the most polarizing moments in recent history

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<v Speaker 2>if you've noticed this, But I think one thing we

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<v Speaker 2>can all agree on is that dinosaurs are really really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like this should be the thing that brings

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<v Speaker 2>us together. In fact, that might be some of the

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<v Speaker 2>firmest common ground we have left at this point. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'd like to think a little more

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<v Speaker 1>positively than that, but in general, yeah, I mean, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>loves dinosaurs exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's always struck me that, even though we're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with creatures that are over one hundred million years old

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases, to this day, we are still finding

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<v Speaker 2>new things out about them. In the last quarter century

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<v Speaker 2>has been particularly generous. We've onearthed so many new fossils

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<v Speaker 2>and developed so many breakthrough research techniques that some scientists

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<v Speaker 2>are now calling this the Golden Age of paleontology.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>There are way too many of these dino revelations for

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<v Speaker 2>us to cover today, but singling out just one didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem right either, So instead I thought I would walk

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<v Speaker 2>us through some of my favorite highlights and they can

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<v Speaker 2>kind of all share this spot together. What do you think.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it like a big heap of Dino discoveries

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what this science series needs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd absolutely I thought you'd approve of this. So what

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<v Speaker 2>stuck out to me most is all this research that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of challenges what we thought we knew about dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 2>which for most of us is just what we saw

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<v Speaker 2>in the Jurassic Park movie. For instance, in one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous scenes of the original movie, we see

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<v Speaker 2>a t rex chasing after a speed jeep and nearly

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<v Speaker 2>catching up to it. So that didn't happen in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the movie, Yeah, exactly. In fact, she was

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<v Speaker 2>even closer than she appeared to remember because of that

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<v Speaker 2>whole mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we all remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>That scene was considered plausible for nearly a decade after

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<v Speaker 2>the film's release, with many paleontologists speculating that a real

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<v Speaker 2>t rex could run as fast as forty five miles

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. But in two thousand and two, researchers John

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<v Speaker 2>Hutchinson and Mariano Garcia used some clever math to show

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<v Speaker 2>that the res likely had a much slower role than

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<v Speaker 2>we previously thought, so, using biomechanical data from the dinosaur's

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<v Speaker 2>closest living relatives, those would be birds, Now was able

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<v Speaker 2>to extrapolate just how much muscle mass it would take

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<v Speaker 2>for an animal the size of a t rex to

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<v Speaker 2>actually be able to run. As a general rule, no

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<v Speaker 2>more than fifty percent of an animal's body mass is

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<v Speaker 2>composed of muscle, and only a fraction of that muscle

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<v Speaker 2>is allocated to the legs. But for a t rex

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<v Speaker 2>to run forty five miles an hour, its leg muscles

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<v Speaker 2>would need to account for eighty six percent of its

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<v Speaker 2>total body Some real.

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<v Speaker 1>Masks, those are monster legs. It feels like the leg

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<v Speaker 1>muscles would be up to its eyeballs. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, there's no room for anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't add up there. So even though the

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<v Speaker 2>researchers had poked a giant hole in one of Jurassic

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<v Speaker 2>Park's best scenes, the filmmakers didn't hold it against them.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Hutchinson was even hired to consult on one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Jurassic Parks sequels based on the strength of

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<v Speaker 2>this breakthrough.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty awesome, But I'm curious, do we know what

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<v Speaker 1>a t rex's top speed would be?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the two thousand and two study concluded that t

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<v Speaker 2>rex would have had a hard time topping twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>miles an hour. According to a twenty seventeen study from

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Manchester, they probably can only reach speeds

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<v Speaker 2>of around twelve miles a mile, so any faster and

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<v Speaker 2>the seven ton predators would risk shattering their bones.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually wow, so it's almost like at speeds that a

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<v Speaker 1>human could outrun. At this pace.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and remember that's the top speed. The t Rex

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<v Speaker 2>was even slower when walking. Exactly how slow remained a

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<v Speaker 2>mystery until twenty twenty one, when Dutch researchers built on

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<v Speaker 2>those earlier findings and used computer modeling to prove that

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<v Speaker 2>Rex walked at a leisurely pace of between two and

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<v Speaker 2>three miles an hour. Now, another point of departure from

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<v Speaker 2>the Jurassic movies is that the predatory dinosaurs, including t Rex,

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<v Speaker 2>did not have permanently exposed teeth. Researchers and artists have

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<v Speaker 2>long believed that bipedal carnivores have lipless mouths where their

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<v Speaker 2>upper teeth would hang over their lower jaws, not unlike

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe like a crocodile or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But according to a twenty twenty three study from the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Portsmouth, the dinos actually kept their choppers, this

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<v Speaker 2>greatly covered with a pair of thick lizard lips. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of funny to imagine? So the researchers found

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<v Speaker 2>that toothwaar and lipless reptile groups was much different from

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<v Speaker 2>that of carnivorous dinosaurs, and based on computer modeling, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been impossible for a lipless t rex to

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<v Speaker 2>close its mouth without the lower jaw actually crushing the

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<v Speaker 2>very bones that supported it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really interesting, and you know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>with all these breakthroughs, they've kind of defanged this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of a really frightening t rex right like suddenly they're

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<v Speaker 1>like only strolling around at two miles per hour. They're

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<v Speaker 1>like they don't have those goofy grins anymore, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bearing their teeth and a dinosaurs supposed to have feathers,

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<v Speaker 1>right like on top of everything else, they're fluffy.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I've got some good news on that front because

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<v Speaker 2>while many dinosaurs are now believed to have sported feathers,

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<v Speaker 2>including raptors and a few of the t rex's cousins,

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<v Speaker 2>the rex itself is thought to have had smooth, more

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<v Speaker 2>scaly skin. The exception would have been juvenile t rexes,

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<v Speaker 2>whose small bodies may have needed feathers for thermal insulation.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time they reach adulthood, though their forty foot

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<v Speaker 2>long bodies were so good at retaining heat that they

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<v Speaker 2>no longer needed those downy coats. So, if anything, an

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<v Speaker 2>adult t rex may have had a stripe of bristles

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<v Speaker 2>on its back and shoulders, but those would have been

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<v Speaker 2>used to attract a mate rather than to keep warm.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so that's at least one thing the movies

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have gotten right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's still room for improvement on that front too,

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<v Speaker 2>because while the t rex was scally, they likely weren't

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<v Speaker 2>the drab uniform color they're often depicted as. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you always picture that exact same colors. Recent analysis of

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<v Speaker 2>t rex fossils have turned up evidence of melanin, the

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<v Speaker 2>same pigment found in human skin and bird feathers, and

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<v Speaker 2>that suggests that the rex's skin may have had patches

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<v Speaker 2>of several different colors, possibly even like a camouflage pattern,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes sense you think about the stripes and spots

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<v Speaker 2>of modern predators.

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy, you know. I imagine like being given

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<v Speaker 1>like a t rex as a kid and told to

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<v Speaker 1>color it, and like, you know, you pinted with fancy colors,

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<v Speaker 1>and that seems completely wrong, right. I also had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea that melanin could fossilize.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, paleontologists didn't either until two thousand and eight, and

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<v Speaker 2>since then discovery has led to all kinds of new

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<v Speaker 2>insights about the appearance of dinosaurs, including some pretty solid

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<v Speaker 2>guesses about the exact colors of their skin and feathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Now More than anything, though, all the advances we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about show us that the dinosaurs weren't the straightforward terrors

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<v Speaker 2>that we often see in pop culture. Like any other animal,

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<v Speaker 2>they live full lives. That included some quieter moments as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how you're trying to make it seem like

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<v Speaker 1>we should all be adopting them from shelters that feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's the right thing to do. I would still

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<v Speaker 1>be terrified one, Oh totally mean you know me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>terrified when I see a cat can imagine dinosaur? All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>because dinosaurs are so cool, we decided today on our

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram we're going to give away some super special, scientifically

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<v Speaker 1>accurate dinosaur action figures. It is important to call them

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<v Speaker 1>action figures. I called it adults earlier. Gabe got very

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<v Speaker 1>does not like that. I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>He is our resident toy expert, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>quick break. Welcome back to part Time Genius, where we're

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<v Speaker 1>listing out the best ideas in science at the last

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years. Nay, okay, Well, so how much do

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<v Speaker 1>you know about sub atomic particles?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, my knowledge of subatomic particles would, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being honest, probably fit inside a subatomic particle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I thought. So here's a quick overview

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<v Speaker 1>that will help you understand our next great science discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start with protons. These tiny particles hang out

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<v Speaker 1>in the nucleus of every atom, and they're made up

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<v Speaker 1>of even tinier particles called quirks, which in turn are

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<v Speaker 1>held together with even tinier particles called gluons. Now, gluons

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<v Speaker 1>have no mass, but they do carry energy, specifically something

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<v Speaker 1>called the strong force, and in terms of nuclear physics,

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<v Speaker 1>it basically means it holds stuff together. Now stay with me,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure you know that deep in a tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>near Geneva there's something called the large Hadron particle collider,

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<v Speaker 1>and a hadron is any clump of two or three quirks.

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<v Speaker 1>And what this thing does is it blasts particles like

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<v Speaker 1>protons at each other at insane speeds, so scientists can

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<v Speaker 1>find out what happens when they crash into each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And even before this technology existed, scientists have been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the outcomes of proton collisions. So one hypothesis they

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<v Speaker 1>came up with was that protons might exchange a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of the gluons that hold them together, creating a super weird,

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<v Speaker 1>massless little particle made up of only gluons, which they

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<v Speaker 1>called And this is true a glue ball.

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<v Speaker 2>A glugall. Is that the actual scientific time, though it

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<v Speaker 2>is so woh way.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy three researchers put forward a very specific

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<v Speaker 1>version of this theory. They said that it was possible

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<v Speaker 1>for three gluons to briefly stick together after a collision. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, there was no actual proof of this

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<v Speaker 1>it was just an idea, and they called this hypothetical

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<v Speaker 1>particle the oderon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so I want to make sure I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So an oduron is what like a triple glue ball. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's weird. I had never thought of particle

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<v Speaker 2>physics involving this much fun vocabulary. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>might have majored in it if I had known all this.

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<v Speaker 2>But all right, so are you going to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that someone finally proved this odoron thing is real?

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<v Speaker 1>So in twenty twenty one, a group of scientists using

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<v Speaker 1>the Large Hadron Collider in fact find evidence of odon. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>when protons collide in this thing, about three quarters of

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<v Speaker 1>the time they get smashed apart, but about twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the time the protons survive intact. They just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of balance off each other. And that's because at

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<v Speaker 1>the point of impact they exchange gluons, sometimes two, sometimes three,

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<v Speaker 1>and those gluons keep them together. So are you still

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<v Speaker 1>with me here?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So, quirks carry a charge kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>positive or negative electric charge, but this is expressed in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of color, so they can be red, green, or blue.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you have all three of those stuck together.

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<v Speaker 1>The charge is said to be white or balanced. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's also something called an anti color, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>property of anti quarks. Is this like antimatter, Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>the antiquirk is the antimatter evil twin of the quirk,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's either anti red, anti green, or anti blue.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting is gluons have both colors and anti colors,

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<v Speaker 1>So you could have a gluon that carries red and

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<v Speaker 1>anti green, which sounds like a very strange Christmas ornament.

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<v Speaker 1>A spokesperson for the Oderon experiment told Gizmoto that the

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<v Speaker 1>math of Vaultier is quote too hard to explain, but

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<v Speaker 1>suffice it to say, researchers observe frequency differences in proton

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<v Speaker 1>proton collisions versus proton anti proton collisions, and they realized

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<v Speaker 1>the difference had to do with changing color balances that

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<v Speaker 1>could only be explained by the existence of a triple

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<v Speaker 1>gluon clump the otter on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying real hard here, Mango, but I gotta be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>This is making my head heard a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is complicated stuff, but it's also an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible discovery. But to make the story a little more personal.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked our pal David Nagler, who is an incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>talented musician and composer, to write a song about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was hiding in plain sight.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm in the light light because of a proton

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<v Speaker 4>proton and a proton anti proton condition.

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<v Speaker 3>I was the difference between the two three glue on

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like glue.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks to the particle physicists for clearing up being decision.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an out, but I'm not that odd and out

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<v Speaker 3>a roun. I'm a real hot rod. It's not monochromatic light.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm red, green and blue making white. It may seem

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<v Speaker 3>like a fax, it's only quantum chromo dynamics. Folks deepen

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<v Speaker 3>the particle.

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<v Speaker 4>Exceleerator, keeping proton longevity greater.

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<v Speaker 3>So how can the green The force is strong in

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<v Speaker 3>me strong. I'm an autoba, but I'm not that ard

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<v Speaker 3>and auta. I've got a real hot bond.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's squaw.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems so complicated, but you know what, Mengo, it

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<v Speaker 2>also makes me want to dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the song or the science that you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just feeling good after this.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree more. And big thanks to David Nagler

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<v Speaker 1>for helping us out with this. We'll put a link

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<v Speaker 1>to his website in the show notes so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can check out his music. It's not usually about physics. Okay,

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