1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,239 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. How do we reopen this economy? 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: The latest on how this pandemic is impacting farmers. What 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: does this do From the United States relationship with China? 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Floomberg Sound On, the insiders, the influencers, the insides. We're 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: responding to this crisis and manufacturers are stepping up like 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: never before. We're looking at seveny Kennedys for different duct teams. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: How do we make sure a pandemic of this gale 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: never happens again? This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Surrelate on Bloomberg one and one oh five point seven 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: f M h D two brots to get through on 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: a busy, busy, busy week in Washington, and we've got 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: an all star panel. Guy Snodgrass rejoins us. He's going 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: to give us the take on what's going on at 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: the Pentagon and resurgent virus thrust the States back into 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: life or death decisions. The second Wave. The second wave 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: hits as America's stay at home seafood binge now faces 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: a virus threat. Stocks rebound as dip buying offsets virus concerns, 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: and US cases rise one percent. Alright, So, COVID's back 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: in the headlines, A lot of volatility up on the street, 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: even more volatility injected into the presidential race. This is 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: President Trump prepares to hit the campaign trail and former 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Vice President Joe Biden releases some new campaign as we're 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 1: gonna dive into all of this. Congressman John garre Many's 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: gonna join us to Democrat in California. I definitely definitely 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: won his take on especially on whether or not Biden 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: needs to get out there more. I'm fascinated by what 27 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to say on that. So a lot 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: to get through. A busy, busy day. We made it 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: through another week, Washington. We made it through another week. 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Cirillian, the chief Washington correspondent for 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. It is such a 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: beautiful day here in the nation's capital as we continue 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: to move through this pandemic. Now with new concerns of 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: a second wave researching of COVID nineteen and UH, the 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: AP the Asociated Press is reporting an exclusive UH and 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: I apologize. They are reporting UH an exclusive regarding Gen 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: UH George Floyd's death, which has spurred the question, what 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: is black life worth? It is a fascinating a report, 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: a special report that they've done in terms of the 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: African American community in our country. And we're going to 41 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: get into all of that coming up in the program. 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: But we're gonna begin tonight with the virus UH and 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: with my colleague Justin Sink, Justin as of course, a 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: Bloomberg White House reporter. Justin there appears to be a 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: resurgence of this virus. What is the administration saying as 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: we head into this weekend. Yeah, well, I think you know, 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: President Trump and the administration is generally trying to downplay 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: the signals that we see that that the virus is 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: UH re emerging. The President was speaking yesterday in Texas. 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: UH talked a bit about how levels weren't the the 51 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: overall percentage that we're seeing if people testing positive isn't 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: getting into frightening territory. They continue to say that U 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: States should drive ahead with reopening, but we are seeing 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: state local officials start to express more and more alarm. 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: And so, you know, this weekend, with a big weekend 56 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: for the President, he went to Texas. Now he's in 57 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: Bedminster for a few days. He's going to go to 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: the graduation ceremonies at West Point. He's clearly trying to 59 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: signal that he wants people to get back and start 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: reopening things. And that's in no small part because revitalizing 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: the economy before the election is going to be crucial 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: for his electoral chances. But we saw with the sort 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: of swoon on on Wall Street yesterday that investors are 64 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: a little more skittish. And what we heard out of 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: FED Chairman Powell and some other health and economic experts 66 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: is that that this recovery might be a little bit 67 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: longer than people are originally expecting. And coming up, we're 68 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: going to talk with that. That is macatter is a 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Republican and uh a former congressman from Michigan's eleventh congressional district, 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: about just how important that economy is. And did you 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: see this justin Sank Bloomberg White House Reporter that Larry 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: Cudler said a second wave has not appeared. Meanwhile, the 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: United States will provide nineties six million masks to train 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: and plane passengers. So they're gonna be giving nineties six 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: million masks, uh, if to anybody who's going on the 76 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: ascelic order or flying around the country. Um, but we've 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: only just begun this and even as the US consumer 78 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: sentiment is continuing to rise, the World Health Organization is 79 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: warning that the coronavirus outbreak is just starting and will 80 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: wreak more havoc, adding to uncertainty. Uh. And you know, 81 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: justin I'm just curious just how crucial it's going to 82 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: be for the President to get back on the campaign 83 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: trail even as health experts are warning that we still 84 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: are at risk for a second way. Yeah, So we've 85 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: heard from from the President and his campaign that he 86 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: expects to restart rallies soon, including a week from tonight 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: Helbi in Tulsa, Oklahoma for his first rally since the 88 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: front of virus really kicked off. He's got others planned 89 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: for stas including Florida and Arizona that have been a 90 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: little more aggressive about opening back up. And I think 91 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: that's evidence that the President is really trying to recapture 92 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: some of the momentum that he felt like he had 93 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: before this this crisis hit. Uh. You know, public opinion polling, 94 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 1: electoral polling shows that that vice former Vice President Biden 95 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: is really starting to pull ahead. I know that's caused 96 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: some consternation both within the West wing and at Trump's 97 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: campaign offices in rosalind uh And because of that, I 98 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: think you see the White House trying to turn back 99 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: to a formula that they think works. So part of 100 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: that is getting the President out in front of you know, 101 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: his base, large enthusiastic crowds, getting big local TV coverage 102 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: for when he shows up on the campaign trail, and 103 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: the other part is trying to lead by example in 104 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: terms of convincing people that it's okay to go back. 105 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: But you know, as you said, there's going to be 106 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: this tension of a lot of people could remain and 107 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: rightfully so, extremely concerned about, um, how coronavirus is going 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 1: to impact their ability to travel to going to work, 109 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: to go to the grocery store and in a way 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: that they used to where kind of commerce was seamless 111 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: and it wasn't something that you were thinking about every day. 112 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: And truthfully, until we have a vaccine or until there's 113 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: a treatment for coronavirus that really brings down its fatality rates, 114 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure how effective the administration's messages it's 115 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: going to be. That's going to be something that we're 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: watching really closely over the next few months. One of 117 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the questions that I think is still confusing Americans is 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: when when the pandemic started, hospitals were not prepared in 119 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: terms of all of the equipment and ventilators and masks 120 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: that they needed in order to keep up with pace 121 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: of infections. A question that I have for the for 122 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: health experts is whether or not hospitals are now more 123 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: prepared than they were than three months ago at the 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: start of this outbreak, because the administration been talking about that, 125 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: because that would seemingly factor into this, and the availability 126 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: of testing as well, free testing. Yeah, so the administration 127 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: says all those things are are better. We've had twenty 128 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: more than twenty million Corona tests taken so far, and 129 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: they are becoming more widespread and more available even for 130 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: folks that don't have symptoms or aren't first responders. Hospitals 131 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: feel like they've got better bed capacity, ventilators, they are 132 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: no longer sort of a crisis point. And part of 133 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: the sort of gradual reopening plans the governors have had 134 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: to submit to the federal government is to ensure that 135 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: they have the hospital spit to deal with. You know, 136 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: if there's a big spike. But the other side of that, 137 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: of course, is that we haven't seen sort of the 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: virus be extinguished in a way that communal tunity spread. 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: It's not happening anymore. So that's that's kind of a 140 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: big turning point. Now there is I mean, at the 141 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, a hundred and thirteen thousand Americans 142 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: have already died from this. You know, that wasn't because 143 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: hospitals were overwhelmed. It's because this is a very vicious 144 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: virus that that can really rereak havoc on people. Everybody 145 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: who needed a ventilator got one. But that's still left 146 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: tens of thousands Americans in a position where they were 147 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: definitely ill. And so you know, for a lot of Americans, 148 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the question isn't going to be you know, is there 149 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: a bed available at my hospital? It's do I want 150 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: to go outside? Do I want to spend money when 151 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: the possible repercussion is catching an illness that has proved 152 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, fatal, fascinating, fascinating, fascinating, fascinating. All right, justin 153 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: saying key is one Word's White House reporter, thank you, 154 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: my friend for calling in to to check out in 155 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: with us. As we head into another weekend. This is 156 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: many states, Oregon, for example, reporting the highest number of 157 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: new COVID nineteen cases since the pandemic began, and the 158 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: governor they're saying that that is a cause for concern. 159 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: So a lot of different information coming out from elected 160 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: officials all over the country as we head into this weekend. 161 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: That's justin Sink. My name is Kevin sili On, the 162 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and for Bloomberg Radio. 163 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: Coming up, we're gonna check in with Congressman John Garre Mandy, 164 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: a Democrat from California, and Guy Snagrass. He's going to 165 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: give us the lay of the land in foreign policy. 166 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on applelig James of 167 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com or by downloading the Blomberg Business app. 168 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: You can also find me on Radio dot Com, I 169 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Spotify. Lots of talk about folks a lot. 170 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg 171 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f M h D two. 172 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get some sports back. DC United 173 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: has been tweeting out all of these pictures of the 174 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: players at Audie Field. I think they're practicing again. I 175 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what the I don't know 176 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: if we're gonna be allowed to go to the games? 177 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: Will we not be allowed to go to the games? 178 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: All the everything keeps shifting, you know what I mean, folks. 179 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Surley. I'm the chief Washington correspondent 180 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Joining us on 181 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: the telephone line is a good friend of the program. 182 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: His name is Guy Snodgrass. What's up, Guy? Hey, keV, 183 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: Happy Friday. How you doing? You know? We made it? 184 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: We made it? And Guy, of course, is uh the 185 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: the where's the title? There? It is CEO of Defense Analytics. 186 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: He's the former director of Communications and chief speech right 187 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: speech writer to Secretary of Defense James Maddis. He's also 188 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: the author of the book Holding the Line Inside Trump's 189 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: Pentagon is Secretary of Madis. But Guy, you also have 190 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: a new book coming out that I do I know about? 191 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: Am I allowed to talk about it? Sorry? We're on 192 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead. Tell us the name of the book. 193 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited to read this one. What's it called? Yeah, 194 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: it's called Top Guns. Top Ken leadership lessons from the cockpit, 195 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and basically it's uh looked back for me. As you've 196 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: talked about previously, I spent twenty years as an F 197 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 1: eight excuse the F A eight teen fighter pilots, served overseas, 198 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: served in combat. So one of those tours of duty 199 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: was as a instructor at top Gun, the actual fighter 200 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: weapons school, and throughout the remainder of my career, you know, 201 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: there were just these principles, these lessons that I had 202 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: picked up that made all the difference in my life 203 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: and to the command are the squadron I commanded, and 204 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: so I basically put those into a small book and 205 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having that out in September. You know, 206 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: it reminds me of one of my all time favorite 207 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: books that I've always talked about on this show called 208 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: Make Your Bed. And when you told me when you 209 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: were writing this back when I first met you a 210 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, that was immediately what jumps out 211 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: in my mind. And so honestly, I'm very excited to 212 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: read this book. It comes out in the fall. That's right, 213 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: it comes out September. Okay, cool, and we'll we'll obviously 214 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: have you back on to talk about it. Okay. One 215 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: thing that's on your radar that our producer Christine Barada 216 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: told me was this NBC News article the Trump administration, 217 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: it's a ban entry of International Criminal Court investigators. This 218 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: is wonky. So tell us what this means and why 219 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: they're doing it. Sure, so, you know the International Criminal 220 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Court a lot of times they will investigate war crimes 221 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: would be a good example. And you know, the United 222 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: States has never really recognized their authority, certainly not their 223 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: authority over U S service members or anybody within the country. 224 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: And so specifically this has come to a head during 225 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: the last week because the i c C had started 226 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: an investigation into potential of what they're calling war crimes 227 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: by U S service members in the conflict in Afghanistan. 228 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: And so once this is long standing U S policy, 229 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: we're not going to recognize that body. But more importantly, 230 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: the Trump administration had said we're not gonna support you. 231 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: We're going to bang you from entering the country to 232 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: conduct your investigation. So it ramped up pretty quick with 233 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: the card administration. And so why is this Why is 234 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: this so important? Truthfully, because this is something that I 235 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: think and that It's one of those examples of so 236 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: much news is happening, so much important news. But this 237 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: is something that that folks should pay attention to explain 238 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: to us why this matters, you know, I think it's 239 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: it goes along the lines of just precedent. When you 240 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: set precedent. It's the same reason the United States has 241 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: been adamant over the last three to four years about 242 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: preserving freedom of navigation, for example, in the South China Sea. 243 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: This has been something that's been on your radar numerous 244 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: times on your program, where China has these expansionist claims 245 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: into the South China. See they're building these artificial islands 246 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: in that same location. The United States is saying, no, 247 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: we can't allow you to set that precedent and slowly 248 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: creep your borders further south towards Philippines or to the 249 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: west towards Vietnam. So the same thing here with the 250 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: i c C. The United States has never really recognized 251 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: this body's ability to investigate U S service members. And 252 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: if you were to suddenly admit them into the country 253 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: or to give them this kind of precedence where they 254 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: can actually start investigating U S service members, well, the 255 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: U s is a globally distributed country where we have 256 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: forces all over the world, and so you could open 257 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: the door where suddenly service members who are who are 258 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: doing their absolutely very best could be uh indicted, They 259 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: could be hauled into court, and it would certainly not 260 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: be worthy United States wants to be from a legal standpoint. 261 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: All right, Meanwhile, I do want to talk about this now. Uh. 262 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: President Trump spoke with Fox News earlier today. Uh in 263 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: an interview with Fox News is Harris Faulkner, and one 264 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: of the many, many topics that came up was was 265 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: the President responding to the Joints Chief of Staff Chairman, 266 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: General Mark Milly. Now, of course, everyone you'll remember General 267 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: Milly expressed regret earlier this week for participating in the 268 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: President's walk to St. John's Episcopal Church from the White 269 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: House to to that church where for the where a 270 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: photograph was taken to the President holding um the Bible, 271 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: and General Milly had had said that he had expressed 272 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: some regret for participating in that. Meanwhile, the um he said, 273 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: quote as a commissioned uniform officer, it was a mistake 274 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: that I have learned from, and I sincerely hope we 275 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: all can learn from it. And he said, as many 276 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: of you saw the result of the photograph of me 277 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: at Lafayette Square Park last week that sparked a national 278 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: debate about the role of military and civil society. I 279 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: should not have been there. My presence in that moment 280 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: and in that environment created a perception of the military 281 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: involved in domestic politics. So the President was asked about 282 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: this on Fox by Harris and what he told her 283 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: was that he's quote unquote fine with it. He said, 284 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: he was fine with it. Um, you know what, you know, 285 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: you've worked with all of these individuals behind closed doors 286 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and publicly. You are speechwriter for obviously for for Maddie. 287 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: When you you know, I just I'm curious, just go 288 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: go with this, I mean going through your mind. Well, 289 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think that has, I guess rapidly reached 290 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: a suitable conclusion in my mind, and I think in 291 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: the mind of many men and women wearing the uniform 292 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: of our country, as well as scholars. There's a number 293 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: of scholars who had waded into this debate about the 294 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: civilian military relationship. What should that look like? And just 295 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: as a thirty you know, a real quick recap when 296 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: you have a the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of 297 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: Staff and his battle fatigues roaming the streets of Washington, 298 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: d C. During the height of these protests. That was 299 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: the primary concern, that it was a very bad optic 300 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: for the U. S. Military to be seen as conducting 301 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: a domestic policing operation that is not what the military 302 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: should be doing, should be involved in, and that caused 303 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the pretty swift uproar. So I think this has reached 304 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: a very good conclusion. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs 305 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: of Staff, he he realized the importance of that optic 306 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: and how dangerous it could be for the law longstanding 307 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: trust the American public has given to the military, and 308 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: he issued this not even really an apology, He just 309 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: issued this guide and saying that this is not the 310 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: way the military should be used. And I think it's 311 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: great of President Trump that he said he's fine with 312 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: what Gerald Milly said, because that have helped to rapidly 313 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: diffuse what could be a very tense situation between the 314 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: Pentagon and the White House. All Right, guys, Snodgrass, appreciate 315 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: you coming on. I'll catch up with you later this weekend. 316 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm driving back to Delco I have a long drive tomorrow. 317 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch up with my mom this weekend as well. 318 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: Congressman John Garret Mendy's coming up next Democraft in California. Guy, 319 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later. That's coming up next on Bloomberg. 320 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg 321 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f m h D two. 322 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: Kevin surreally Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for 323 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Shout out to our remote control working from 324 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Home control room Charlie Volmer and Nicholas Falco and uh 325 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: Nick tells us in our group sound on chat that 326 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: the answer to my question, the MLS is doing a 327 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: World Cup style tournament in or at in Orlando at 328 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: the Orlando Wide World of Sports Complex and that starts 329 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: on July eight, and then there's talks that they're going 330 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: to have some type of regular season after that. So 331 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: DC United training training to go to Florida, Florida battleground 332 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: state of Florida, and the word is that the Republican 333 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: National Convention is gonna be in Jacksonville, So Florida always 334 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: Florida is getting everything they're literally they're getting sports, They're 335 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: getting the convention. You know, I mean Florida folks. Um, 336 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: who's on the line now, Congressman John Garret Mandy a 337 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: good friend of the program. Congressman is a is a 338 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Democrat from California. I have not spoken with you in 339 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: a while. How's your family, how's everybody doing with the situation? 340 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: And are you ready to get sports back? Well, only 341 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: if it's properly done. We got to really pay attention 342 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: to the CDC guidelines otherwise we're going to see this 343 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: uh coming right back into our family. So the bottom 344 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: line is, I'm not recommending my family go down to 345 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: the University of California Memorial Stadium to watch the Golden 346 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: Bears new adversaily, folks stay out of it about uh. 347 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: Congressman Um, you just introduced a bill that I think 348 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: is really really important for the conversation that we've been 349 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: having on this program, and it's it's to support special 350 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: districts in future coronavirus relief legislation. It's called the Special 351 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: Districts Provide a Central Services Act. Can you tell us 352 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: what it does and why it's important, especially as we're 353 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: having conversations about the next round of economic stimulus. Exactly. 354 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: All of the legislation, including the Heroes legislation and the 355 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: previous four bills, always spoke about cities, counties, and state government, 356 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: and they're certainly critically important. But a good part of 357 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: America communities and governments are court are known as special districts, 358 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: and these are water districts, sanitation districts, flood control districts, reclamations, 359 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: and agricultural areas. Uh. And in some places, for example, 360 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: the County of Sacramento, not the city, but the rest 361 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: of the County of Sacramento, which is probably a couple 362 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: of million, is a special fire district in which the 363 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: rest of the city's about tying together to do a 364 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: fire district, not a city or a county fire department. 365 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: And so what we're saying is that these local government 366 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: entities are absolutely critically important for the functioning of virtually 367 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: everything that we know that we depend upon. They don't 368 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: know about. So anyway, we're trying to get it included 369 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: in the Heroes Bill. They there would be specific money 370 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: available to them. In some cases, the governors say, will 371 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: just give us the money, and we'll give it down 372 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: to these special districts, and the special districts go. Sure 373 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: you will after you take the top and leable switch 374 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: for each other left, unless you get mad at us, 375 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: in which case we're not going to get the money 376 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: we need anybody. We need a mechanism to get the 377 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: money to these special districts because they are the unknown 378 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: foundation or the little recognized foundation. So much of what 379 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: we depend upon water, sanitation, uh, certain transit districts and 380 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: the like. So I mean it really is important because 381 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: for for for the you know, we talked so much 382 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: on this program about supply chains and economic supply chains, 383 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: but literally folks from a sanitation like where we get 384 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: the water, the sewage. I mean, these they need an immediate, 385 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: immediate I don't even want to use the word liquidity, 386 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: but they need immediate financial assistance. Are you confident, Congressman, 387 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: that this is going to get solved in whenever the 388 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: next round of negotiations, likely at the end of July 389 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: early August, gets through. Well, first of all, the overarching 390 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: question is will there be a Hero's Bill or some 391 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: form of it down McConnell said, no, it's dead on arrival, 392 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: and he kind of changed his mind. He said, well, 393 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe so, but a lot less money. Uh. All of 394 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: that indications to me there's a negotiation potential here. And 395 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: what I want to see in the negotiation is that 396 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: certainly the government's the local state governments have to have 397 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: the money otherwise there's going to be serious, serious And 398 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: among those is another one of the districts. In many 399 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: cases US not so much in California, but around the nation, 400 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: a special district is a school district may not be 401 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: any money directly from the state government and could therefore 402 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: be left out of that flow of federal assistance. So 403 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: it's really important. I think that if a bill is 404 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: to move and com in, that one will will ultimately 405 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: be included. What we're finding since we've introduced the bill 406 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: is that we're getting calls small of the nations and all. 407 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: We like that, we like that. How we're going to 408 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: get it in? And I'm going to say, we'll talk 409 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: to your senator, uh, and we'll get it in because 410 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: the action will first be in the Senate, then probably 411 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: a conference, either a formal or an informal conference. UH. 412 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: I guess the good news is that Pelosi will be 413 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: leading that confidence since she's certainly aware of California, but 414 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: there are very few special districts in San Francisco. In fact, 415 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: the city of San Francisco is both a city and 416 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: a county combined. So you may not be as um 417 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: aware and involved as I would in my district, where 418 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: we have probably a several hundred of these across California. 419 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: They're at least thirteen hundred special districts that do everything 420 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Mosquito Control district. So we talked about that, and it 421 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: goes on and on. It really does. It's and I 422 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: don't think people know about it. Congressman John Garamendi's on 423 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: the line. He's a Democrat from California. Congressman, you don't 424 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: I want to go macro for a second and broad 425 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of confusion, you know. 426 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: And I don't want to make this political. I don't 427 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: want to. I don't I want to take off the 428 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: left and the right, you know, polarizing talk for a second. 429 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: But I hear this when I'm talking with my friends 430 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: and I'm talking with my family. There's a lot of confusion, 431 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, on the one hand, you've got 432 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: the CDC guidelines. On the next, you have reports of 433 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: a potential second wave. Then you have the World Health 434 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: Organization with their report that they've since backed off on 435 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: of of whether or not asymptomatic carriers are really going 436 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: to be as a transmitting on COVID nineteen. You know 437 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: where I grew up. There, You know, you can go 438 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: to the Jersey Shore outside of Philly. You can drive 439 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: down to the Jersey Shore. The beaches are open, but 440 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: you can't go to the local hair salon to get 441 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: your hair cut. And so I I just as you're 442 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: a policymaker, you're in this, you're you know, talking to 443 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: to the X for it's day in and day out. 444 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: And what I want to wrap my head around is 445 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: how do you navigate through this confusion to arrive at 446 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: a decision because these decisions are having immediate consequences on 447 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: families and people being able to pay their bills. Well, 448 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct about the confusion. We had a conversation 449 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: two days ago as we were doing a work for 450 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: graduation three of our grandchildren. They are graduating from high school. 451 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: UM and a daughter who is a middle school art teacher, 452 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: has two hundred forty kids, and she said, I have 453 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: no idea. She said, I am so nervous. I'm so 454 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: not just for my health, but for these kids. What 455 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: are we supposed to do? How are we supposed to 456 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: be or stay as healthy as we can? So, yes, 457 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. There is confusing, there's anxiety, fear. Um. Eventually, 458 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to be on a plane next week flying 459 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: back to Washington, and yeah, I'm confused, and I'm scared 460 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: about sitting in that little metal two for five hours. 461 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: Is it going to be safe? Well? I hope so. 462 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: But the point here is that here's what's problem. And 463 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: I'll try not to be too political about it, but 464 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: the President is sowing confusion, plain and simple. Um. He 465 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: saw it in his press conferences when he was actually 466 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: running these COVID nineteen uh press availabilities. Every day he'd 467 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: get up there and he talked for an hour, often 468 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: contradicting the experts Fauci and and and and you go, well, 469 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: what what gives you? What are we talking about? And 470 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: that continues to this day, sowing basically with contradicting comments 471 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: tweets uh from the president and and frankly, a good 472 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: deal of the population listens to the President and takes 473 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: him his gospel. Um. Um. That's only one part of 474 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: the problem. The end of party has to do with 475 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: the the absence of leadership at the national level. I 476 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: will tell you that there is solid information available. I 477 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: had a long conversation this morning with the US military. 478 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: The the the admirals and generals are the responsible for 479 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: them for the health of the force, and they have, 480 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: through the studies and the experience of COVID nineteen in 481 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: the military, developed very clear guidelines. And right, you're right, 482 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And and Congressmen, Unfortunately, I have to 483 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: leave it there because we're up against a hard break. 484 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right. I mean, in terms of the military, 485 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: they've been really up front on this. Uh And and 486 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: and I'm very appreciative, appreciative of you coming on board. 487 00:27:46,960 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: Next on Bloomberg, This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 488 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: Surrele on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f 489 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: M H D two. My name is Kevin Cirelli. I'm 490 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. 491 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a nice weekend, folks. In the eighties. 492 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: According to the weather reports, the meteorologists, it's gonna be 493 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: like eighty degrees on Saturday, high seventies on Sunday, partly 494 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: partly cloudy, so you know, it'll be good. I'm going 495 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: to Milano for lunch tomorrow. I haven't been there really 496 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: since all of this started, so it'll be good to 497 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: see Franco. All right, Daddy has Macatters on the line. 498 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: He's the former US congressman from Michigan's eleventh congressional district. 499 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: He was in office from two thousand and three to 500 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. He was on the House Financial 501 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: Services Committee and the subcommittees on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit. 502 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: He was on capital markets, insurance, and government sponsored entities 503 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: the g S e s remember them, the g S 504 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: e s. And on international monetary policy and trade. Everything 505 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: we talked about daily. So he's an expert on all that, 506 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: especially in offering the conservative perspective. Thanks for coming on, Macater. 507 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: How are you how you've been holding up throughout all 508 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: of this? Well, you know, thanks for having me on. 509 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, Michigan has been very hard hit. Yeah, did 510 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: we lose them? Is he still there? Okay? Hello, Daddius Marcatter. 511 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: It looks like we're having a little bit of trouble 512 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: hearing from him, so hopefully our control room can consort 513 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: that out. Uh. Daddius macatter he's a former US congressman 514 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: from Michigan's eleventh congressional district. Control. I'm just he's there. 515 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: Are you there? We have a better connect? Yeah? Hello, yeah, perfect, 516 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: you're coming in, all right, So tell us about Michigan. 517 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: You're right, it's been absolutely hard hit as a result 518 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: of this go ahead. Yeah, it's been very hard hit, 519 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: especially our senior population. And you know, as we've seen reports, 520 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: machine went into lockdown and it's been a pretty um 521 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: they're Colonian one in many ways, and it's obviously had 522 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: an effect on the economy, and we've seen that in 523 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: some of the numbers that have put up recently. We 524 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: started to come out of it, but in the end, 525 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: we're looking at about twenty two percent unemployment according to 526 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: the main figures, and we're probably second highest unemployment in 527 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the country. And it's going to take a lot of 528 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: work and a lot of courage to come out of this, 529 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: but I think we will. You know, do you think 530 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be another round of economic stimulus? And 531 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: in July early August, Congress mcgarremany was just on before you. 532 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: He said he's still on shore. It looks like Leader 533 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: McConnell in the Senate is signaling yeah, he would get 534 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: on board with it, maybe begrudgingly, but he'd get on 535 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: board with it. But do you think Michigan needs some 536 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: more some more economic stimulus. Well, it wouldn't hurt, especially 537 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: because of what we don't know. And the key factor 538 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: is going to be how are individual people going to 539 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: measure their safety in this pandemic. Are they going to 540 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: come out, are they going to start buying or are 541 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: they going to stay inside and come out more gradually? 542 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: What is That's going to be the key how individuals 543 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: do this? And I think it would probably be prudent 544 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: at least to start planning making concrete steps towards having 545 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: another round of economic relief for unemployed workers, especially for 546 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: states like Michigan that has always been uh, we get quicker, sicker, 547 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: and we get better later. So it certainly would be 548 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: something we'd be looking forward to. It's probably be very helpful. 549 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: You know, as you look at the President's public comments 550 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: with the governor there and Michigan to such a crucial 551 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: battleground state, you know, it really has been remarkable just 552 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: to see how the Democratic governor there, Gretchen Whitmer, has been, uh, 553 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, navigating this with President Trump. You're on the 554 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: ground there and you're a Republican, But how has that 555 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: played in Michigan, the battleground state between President Trump and 556 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: Governor Wimer. To a certain extent, it's more heat and 557 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: lots more light than heat. Actually done me part me 558 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: more heat and light. They tend to fight. They tend 559 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: to fight, but things still mind up getting done. So 560 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: despite it all, I mean, when she eventually declared this emergency, 561 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: the president agreed. When you see the stimulus come through. 562 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Even though we've had difficulty with our unemployment system for individuals, 563 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: we've also had roughly through under forty thousand people filing 564 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: false claims that they've had to sort through. But in 565 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: the end, they streamed each other, but things keep getting 566 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: done now. It's a little different when you were dealing 567 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: with Newsome and Cuomo earlier and they were getting along 568 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: with the President, But I didn't see much difference between 569 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: how they their response from the federal government in ours law. 570 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: In the end, it's really irrelevant they fight with each 571 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: other as long as what happens is in the best 572 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: interest of people in Michigan and the country, and so 573 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: far it has been. And so the cat calling and 574 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: all that maybe an unfortunate on both sides, but in 575 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: the end, it's what have you done for us? And 576 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: both of them seen to be doing their best to 577 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: let their own personal differences get out of the way 578 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: and let good things happen to people in Michigan. That 579 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: is mccauthor's on the line. He's a former US congressman 580 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: from Michigan's eleventh congressional district. He was, you know, I 581 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: don't want to put I don't want to define your 582 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: political ideology, but you were seeing as more of a 583 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: centrist Republican as someone who was a member of the 584 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: Republican Study Committee. So I hear your tone, I hear 585 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: in your tone. And I'm wondering Michigan being such an 586 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: important battleground state, how the polls have Biden leading up 587 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of Trump. How can from your perspective, 588 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: this Trump turn it around ahead of November? And do 589 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: you think that that the recent past couple of weeks, 590 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: whether it's George Floyd, whether it's the pandemic, do you 591 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: think that that will be on the minds of voters 592 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: come November in Michigan specifically. Yeah, Well, I think what's 593 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: going to be on most people's mind is the economy 594 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: and how we can get out of this, and who's 595 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: best quipped to get us out of this. Obviously, as Republican, 596 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: I think the past performance of President Trump prior to 597 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: the lockdowns and the pandemic, certainly showed the ability to 598 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: grow this economy at a great rate. I think it's 599 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: gonna be a very difficult argument for Mr Biden, But 600 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: at the present time, when you look at the polls 601 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: that are out there, it remains a referendum election on 602 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: President Bush because the race is yet to really manifest itself, 603 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: and voters minds and they're looking at how they feel today. 604 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: And no matter who was president, off, George Washington was 605 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: president during the time of a pandemic, a lockdown, and 606 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: then you had the situation with the protests for Black 607 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: Lives matters, I don't think any president would have particularly 608 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: positive numbers at the present time. So once we get 609 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: to the election, people start to realize there is a choice, 610 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: and there is a stark differentiation that you can make 611 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: between the two candidates. That's when people start focusing on 612 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: and making up their minds. And I trust the American 613 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: people will do it as best for the country and 614 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: on my part, I hope they votes for President Trump. 615 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: I want to ask you another question, Um, in the 616 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: two minutes that we have after I saw you on 617 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: Fox a couple of weeks ago, and Um, you made 618 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: some comments about China. Uh and you and this to me, 619 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean the poll suggestice is a bipartisan issue, where 620 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: it's seven and ten Democrats according to Morning Consule, eight 621 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: and ten Republicans have significant questions about the transparency your 622 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: lack thereof coming from the Communist Party of China in 623 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: terms of their handling of COVID nineteen. Tell me the 624 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: areas of bipartisanship in terms of policy that the United 625 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: States can pressure to get more answers coming from Beijing 626 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: so that this would never happen again. Well, I think 627 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: this has been a long time coming. The building of 628 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: a consensus the Communist China is and it is a 629 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: strategic thread and rival model of governments to the United 630 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: States the twenty one century. Ironically, this is one of 631 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: the few things that you could actually count on early 632 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: on that President Trump and Speaker Pelosi would agree on. 633 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi has certainly been rather hawkish on Communist China, 634 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: understanding the brutal nature of that regime. So I think 635 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: that once we continue to go forward and get past 636 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: some of the certainly passed the election, I think whoever 637 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: is president again, I hope it's President Trump. I think 638 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: you will see the continuation of the biparti of the consensus. 639 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: The Communist China is not our friend, does not hope 640 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: to have particularly good relations with US. Continues their predatory 641 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: trade practices, their intellectual property theft, and the devaluation of 642 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: currency and others, and people are tired of it, you know, 643 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: continue to see Communist China's persecution of the Leaguer's persecution 644 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: the Tibetans. You're going to continue to see that in 645 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: the American people are going to continue to form a 646 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: leave in larger consensus. The Communist China is something we 647 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: must a couple of cells from with, especially our supply chain, 648 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: because it is a very fragile one when you deal 649 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: with a regime like that, and we've already seen that 650 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: with the with the pandemic and their failure to admit, certainly, 651 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: to admit it forth rightly and quickly what happened with 652 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: the Wuhan virus so the rest of the world could 653 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: react and prepare itself. All right, that is mccadter, former 654 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: US Congressman from Michigan's eleven congressional district, first time on 655 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: the program, appreciates calling in, sir, would you come back on? 656 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: I guess I guess he's gone? Would you would you 657 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: come back on the show? Alright? Good? I was What 658 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: a way to end the week. Have a good weekend, sir, 659 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: and we'll catch up with more policy and politics. Stay saved, everybody. 660 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin's really cheap Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 661 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. You can't make it up, folks. Thanks 662 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: for listening to Bloomberg One.