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Speaker 3: Extra amazing. Crystal, you're back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's nice to be back. And I'll be in

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Speaker 1: So in the show today, we have Nate Silver joining

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Speaker 1: the chorus of insiders calling on Biden to drop out.

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Speaker 5: Is that actually going to happen? We will talk about.

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Speaker 1: That an FBI informant was indicted for lying about Biden.

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Speaker 1: This is someone that the Republicans and Fox News have

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Speaker 1: really been relying on for their allegations against him. So

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting one. Trump launched a sneaker line, and

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Speaker 1: Sager has some startor commentary that was really important to

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Speaker 1: get into the show. I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 5: Especially the progress your over year.

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Speaker 3: Is just like it's astounding.

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Speaker 1: It is insane. It's insane. A lot going on with

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Speaker 1: regard to Israel. The US is actually proposing a temporary

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Speaker 1: so we'll take a look at that. I'm also reviewing

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Speaker 1: the ICJ hearings yesterday with regard to Israel's illegal occupation,

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Speaker 1: and Sager is taking on a list of presidential rankings

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Speaker 5: So a lot to get into this one.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about what is going on

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Speaker 1: in some elite circles with regard to our current president,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Robinet Biden Nate Silver.

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Speaker 5: He's independent now, but he's still.

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Speaker 1: Very much an insidery respected kind of a guy, that's right,

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Speaker 1: a moment. In actively calling on Biden to drop out

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Speaker 1: because primarily of concerns over his age. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: part personally, I crossed the rubicon in November, concluding that

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Speaker 1: when they have more time to focus on it. He concludes,

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Speaker 1: This is a real option. However, don't let anyone gaslight

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Speaker 1: you into believing otherwise. The Democratic Convention is not until August. Second,

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Speaker 1: this is an option that Biden, the White House, and

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Speaker 1: this was in response to a podcast essay that Ezra

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Speaker 6: I think one reason Democrats react so defensively to critiques

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Speaker 6: They believe it is too late to do anything else.

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Speaker 6: then to even talk about Biden's age is to contribute

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Speaker 6: This far before the election is ridiculous. Yeah, it's too

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Speaker 6: his ambitions. The people who Biden listens to Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: So it's very interesting because Ezra is like the ultimate neoliberal.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was, you know, came to prominence as

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Speaker 1: and we've had in the past. It's not in either

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Speaker 3: No, it's very well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look when I say well argued, I just

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Speaker 5: He knows his audience.

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Speaker 2: You're right, But I mean it's interesting to me that

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Speaker 2: both Silver and Ezra both point to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: the ratings afterwards, Crystal, it was the most watched event

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Speaker 3: That's that's the truth. I've said it before.

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Speaker 2: The very last thing that unites this country at all

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Speaker 3: Why would you not go out of your way.

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Speaker 2: The point that he also makes is that Biden has

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Speaker 3: Quote, most of them are softballs.

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Speaker 2: He'll go on Conan O'Brien's podcast or Ave Shetty's mindfulness.

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Speaker 2: The Biden team says they need a political voters, the

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Speaker 2: ones who are not listening to political media. You know,

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Speaker 2: a great way to reach a political voters the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But if you do that, you have to go sit

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Speaker 2: mentioning is quote. Go watch a speech he gave in

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Speaker 2: go give a speech he gave last month. It's not close.

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Speaker 2: There's no comparison. They're on YouTube and you can see it.

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Speaker 2: The way he moves, the energy in his voice. Democrats

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Speaker 3: He's right. And yet why is it that what lone

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Speaker 3: Voice Silver can say whatever he wants. He no longer

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Speaker 2: It's true, you know, to a certain extent, it took

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Speaker 2: want to underscore exactly what you said. The modern campaign

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Speaker 2: as we know it really was born throughout the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 2: JFK campaign. Prior to that, we had a very similar

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Speaker 2: system through which he lays out here. In many cases, Crystal,

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about it was only six weeks out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from election day, these two year long elections, I mean,

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Speaker 2: in some cases it really is only eight you know,

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Speaker 2: How recent, you know, the current insanity really seems for

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Speaker 2: all of us. So there's no reason, you know, given

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I never thought I'd be in

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Speaker 1: So I think it is very noteworthy for this case

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Speaker 2: By that absence a major health event. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: How can you reverse you look like an idiot. So this,

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Speaker 3: More of what you already are. Yeah, he was stubborn

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Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 1: The other issue that I can't remember one or both

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Speaker 5: She's trying to work it out.

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Speaker 5: There were some specific.

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Speaker 5: But you know, the one thing that you.

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Speaker 1: Like, you could adjust your strategy or what you're doing

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Speaker 5: Is once against warned as president.

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Speaker 3: Right, And that's what they're like, talk about housing affordability.

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Speaker 2: How many discussions persons we have in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: You're going to show people that you don't particularly care,

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Speaker 2: He just simply is constrained both by media and the

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Speaker 5: They have affection for him.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Mayer because liberals are feeling the fatigue. Quote,

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Speaker 1: We're kind of like crisist out, one Democrat said, let

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Speaker 1: me read you the lead of this piece. They say

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, they donned pink hats to march on Washington,

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Speaker 1: registering their fury with Donald Trump at the hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 1: Then they fliped the House from Republican control, won the presidency,

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Speaker 1: and secured a surprisingly strong showing the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: midterm elections. Dalvanized by their conviction that mister Trump and

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Speaker 1: his allies constituted a national emergency. This year, anti Trump

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Speaker 1: voters are grappling with another powerful sentiment, exhaustion.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 1: Some folks are burned out on outrage, said Rebecca Leefunk,

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Speaker 1: the Washington based founder of The Outrage, a progressive activism

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Speaker 1: group and a purveyor of resistance era apparel.

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Speaker 5: Lol. People are tired.

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Speaker 1: I think last election, we were desperate to get Trump

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Speaker 1: out of office, and folks were willing to rally around that

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Speaker 1: singular call to action, and this election feels different. We're

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Speaker 1: kind of like crisist out, said Shannon Casper, thirty six,

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Speaker 1: of security guard in Pittsburgh, who called the prospect of

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Speaker 1: a Trump Biden rematch a dumpster fire. She added, it

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Speaker 1: is crisis fatigue for sure. They have some poll numbers

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Speaker 1: here to back up the anecdot total comments from the

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Speaker 1: people that they interviewed, indicating that there are more Democrats

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Speaker 1: saying they are exhausted by the political process and sort

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Speaker 1: of dispirited by the whole situation. Then Republicans, you know,

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Speaker 1: that could be a problem for them come election day.

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Speaker 1: Although I have to say, you know, these people, these

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Speaker 1: people are going to vote for Joe Biden. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to stay home. They're certainly not voting for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: The question is more, you know that activist energy. Are

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Speaker 1: they going to get out there? Are they going to

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Speaker 1: knocked doors? Are they going to organize? Are they going

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Speaker 1: to send in their ten bucks, et cetera. I think

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Speaker 1: that's more the issue here. And if you have a

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Speaker 1: base that's like dispirited, depressed, exhausted, not excited about the

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Speaker 1: candidate and crisis dount, that's obviously not a great thing.

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Speaker 2: What do I ask hilarious about it is that in

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, when they were the most activated. It just

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Speaker 2: compare that to the Trump of today. Ask yourself, which

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Speaker 2: should you be more worried about. Shouldn't you be more

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Speaker 2: of a resistance person, like post January sixth or not?

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Speaker 3: If anything, they.

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Speaker 2: Kind of blew arough, you know it early on when

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Speaker 2: they conjured up this like hitlarian image which wasn't real,

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Speaker 2: and then it became like this cartoonish whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to call it right now, but unironically unlinked at least

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Speaker 2: from whatever forces were who are keeping him moored. At

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Speaker 2: the time, you should probably if you were a resistance person,

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Speaker 2: you should be way more afraid of Trump too than

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Speaker 2: you should be if Trump won.

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Speaker 3: But they've been exhausted.

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Speaker 2: They tapped their coffers, you know, as much as they

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Speaker 2: could back in what was it, the twenty eighteen that

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Speaker 2: was like peak resistance, I think for the election now

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Speaker 2: that said, I don't want to underestimate it. Even if

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Speaker 2: they're exhausted, doesn't mean that you won't come out and

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Speaker 2: vote on election day. I will not ever sit here

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Speaker 2: and you know, or underestimate the actual power of an

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Speaker 2: anti Trump vote. It doesn't just have to be resistance.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people who are not resistance of people

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Speaker 2: will not vote for him. They may come to the ballot,

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Speaker 2: or they may still hold their nose and vote for Biden.

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Speaker 2: But as Stilver put it, at the very beginning of

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Speaker 2: this block, what a risk, What a risk for the

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Speaker 2: whole country? Yeah, you're putting us all through, That's right.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like, what are you doing? What are

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Speaker 3: you doing to us? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's I think that's exactly it. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, fascinating a lot these matchinage.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think it is highly unlikely that at this point

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Speaker 1: Biden is actually convinced to step aside. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you do see some some sort of palace intrigue, little

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Speaker 1: bit of you know, behind the scenes drama with regards

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Speaker 1: to Kamala Harris trying to bolster her image, with regards

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Speaker 1: to a variety of insiders actually coming out and saying

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Speaker 1: all right, you need to drop out, and here's what

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Speaker 1: the path looks like. So, you know, we'll wait and

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Speaker 1: see if there are additional developments. But I also am

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Speaker 1: not hopeful that anything will actually change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next part in terms of

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Speaker 2: the election and what could have been a major turning

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Speaker 2: point the FBI waited specifically to cover with this with you,

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Speaker 2: Crystal has now charged the same prosecutor who charged Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden with tax evasion with the gun charge, has now

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Speaker 2: began prosecuting actually or charge and will and intends to

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Speaker 2: prosecute a witness that came forward and alleged that the

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Speaker 2: Biden family had approached the Ukrainians for a quote ten

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Speaker 2: million dollars bribe. If you are familiar with this, this

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Speaker 2: was subject of a Chuck Grassley letter that was leaked

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Speaker 2: about last year that came forward from an alleged witness

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Speaker 2: that had all of this incriminating information. I actually covered

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Speaker 2: it also at the time, although unlike Fox News, have

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Speaker 2: not been clinging it to it for over a year

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Speaker 2: now as evidence of quote unquote.

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Speaker 3: Biden family corruption.

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Speaker 2: And while there certainly may be some this particular instance,

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Speaker 2: this man has now been charged with lying, which is

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Speaker 2: a bit of a problem for some people over at

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Speaker 2: Fox News, which have been beating the drum on this.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to the credience that they gave

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Speaker 3: this gentleman.

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Speaker 8: A veteran FBI informant alleging both the President and Hunter

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Speaker 8: Biden each.

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Speaker 2: Took five million dollars in bribes. Details come from an

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Speaker 2: FBI informant who is very trusted, the highly reliable informant

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Speaker 2: that has always checked out all the information he's ever

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Speaker 2: given us as checked out.

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Speaker 8: We have determined that whatsleblower is extremely credible.

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Speaker 7: This is a very crucial piece of our investigation.

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Speaker 8: Confidential human source that had been reliable previously to the FBI,

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Speaker 8: A confidential informat that they had on the payroll. Documented

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Speaker 8: allegations of bribery from a trusted FBI confidential human source

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Speaker 8: has now finally been released. Now its contents are devastating.

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Speaker 2: So as you could see, didn't work out so well

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Speaker 2: for them. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: After the news leaked quote unquote GOP lawmakers used to

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Speaker 2: claim him to President Joe Biden's corrupt FBI source now

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Speaker 2: charged for allegedly providing false information on Biden's which was

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Speaker 2: then cited by Republicans. We're talking about Russian individual Alexander

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Speaker 2: Smirnov one count of making a false statement and one

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Speaker 2: kind of creating a quote false and fictitious record related

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Speaker 2: to statements that he made to the FBI on a

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Speaker 2: Form ten twenty three. The charging documents say that we

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Speaker 2: approached the FBI as an alleged confidential source, but fabricated

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Speaker 2: and provided false information to the FBI, which was then leaked,

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Speaker 2: specifically to Senator Chuck Grassley, who took the step of

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Speaker 2: then releasing that claim several years ago, as we said,

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Speaker 2: to say that a Ukrainian oligarch had pushed the president

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Speaker 2: the Biden family aid approaches Ukrainian oligarch to pay them

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Speaker 2: ten million dollars. Now, this was a key part of

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine corruption story that was kind of ancillary to

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Speaker 2: Barisma and some of the other verified claims there crystal,

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Speaker 2: but nonetheless, I mean, it's a terrible look because they're

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Speaker 2: hanging all of their.

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Speaker 3: Hat on this.

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Speaker 2: And while it was not, you know, the central part

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Speaker 2: of the prosecution, you still that's exactly why you are

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Speaker 2: supposed to not be totally credulous about all this. One

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Speaker 2: of the reasons I feel credulous quote unquote about Barisma

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Speaker 2: is a hunter admitted it, and you know, the money

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Speaker 2: is verified.

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Speaker 3: It's right there.

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Speaker 2: We could literally see it in wire transfers that have

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Speaker 2: been verified now by the IRS, the FBI House investigators

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Speaker 2: et cetera. With this one, all you ever had was

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Speaker 2: the claim of this single individual, right, which is the

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Speaker 2: problem from the very beginning.

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Speaker 5: Well, they're trying desperately to.

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Speaker 1: Make a connection between the money that Hunter was receiving

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Speaker 1: and money received directly by Joe Biden, because rightly, people say, Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: what Hunter did was corrupt trading on the Biden family name.

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Speaker 1: It's very clear he's doing that. It's very clear that

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Speaker 1: Biden's brother has done that, and we're talking about over

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Speaker 1: decades that this has been long standing Biden family practice.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't directly implicate Joe Biden. And also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: honestly that like pales in comparison to what Kushner and

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Speaker 1: Trump himself are doing in terms of cashing in on

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Speaker 1: the position they're named, the presidency, et cetera. So they

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Speaker 1: really really wanted to make this direct monetary connection, and

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Speaker 1: so that's why they relied so heavily on what was

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Speaker 1: just basically an unvetted allegation made at the FBI, which

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Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, you covered as such at the time.

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Speaker 1: The irony here is that, I mean, that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote Steele dossier was it was someone who

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Speaker 1: had been an FBI in format in the past, as

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Speaker 1: had this individual, and that's part of why they gave

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Speaker 1: him crudence, as like, oh, well, he's said stuff that

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Speaker 1: was true to the FBI in the past, so this

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Speaker 1: must also be true. Well, the same could be said

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Speaker 1: of Michael Steele. And of course they spent years rightfully

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Speaker 1: lambasting Democrats for completely hanging their hat on this one

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Speaker 1: dude and the stuff that he you know, clearly like

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Speaker 1: made up out of thin air. And now they're in

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Speaker 1: the same situation. Now, the people who are leading the

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Speaker 1: Biden impeachment over this allegation and other allegations of corruption,

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Speaker 1: they claim the House Republicans Jamie Comer at all that,

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Speaker 1: oh no, this wasn't really central to the impeachment, but

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Speaker 1: that's a lie, Like clearly they had hung a lot

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Speaker 1: on this allegation.

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Speaker 3: True, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And Comer himself went on Fox News no fewer than

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Speaker 1: two hundred times to talk up this story with this

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Speaker 1: dude's claims at the center of what he was saying,

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity was a primary culprit of like relying wholesale

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Speaker 1: on what this individual had to say. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it turns out, and the evidence is pretty compelling that he.

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Speaker 5: Just made it up. It was just a lie. He

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Speaker 5: hates Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: He had like an ax to grind, and you decided

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Speaker 1: to try to push this claim and see where he

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Speaker 1: could get with it. And it looks like where he's

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Speaker 1: going to get is probably some prison time.

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Speaker 2: Right Yeah, I mean, look, he should go to jail.

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Speaker 2: People who you know, lead people on goose chases and

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Speaker 2: all of that, and also we should do at the

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Speaker 2: Steele dossier point is fantastic and it's also very important.

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Speaker 2: They're also something we wanted to kind of roll into

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Speaker 2: this because it does kind of thematically fit.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. There has been.

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Speaker 2: A massive wave actually of high profile Republicans who are

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Speaker 2: quitting the House GOP, and kind of what it comes

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Speaker 2: down to is that the vast majority of these people

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Speaker 2: who are leaving, it's almost unheard of to leave whenever

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Speaker 2: you have the majority and whenever you are likely projected

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Speaker 2: to continue the majority, whenever you are the chairman in

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Speaker 2: many cases of you know, the Energy and Commerce Committee,

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Speaker 2: or you have a high high profile position on the

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Speaker 2: US China Committee like Mike Gallagher who recently just announced

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Speaker 2: that he would retire.

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Speaker 3: You have Mike Penn, his brother, who said he would retire.

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Speaker 2: Many of the people who are announcing their retirement were

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Speaker 2: people who had not only decades long careers left in

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Speaker 2: the House, but in the immediate term, would have had

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Speaker 2: power in the committee system. And one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: that they're leaving is like, listen, you know, we don't

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Speaker 2: do anything. We don't pass any laws. We had all

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Speaker 2: this Kevin McCarthy nonsense. We keep going down these impeachment

659
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Speaker 2: or whatever rabbit holes. And that's fine, you know, as

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Speaker 2: long as we get to continue any serious work. But

661
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: they just feel as if it's completely irrelevant, and they're like,

662
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Speaker 2: why should I have to fly back and forth between

663
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Speaker 2: Washington and my district or whatever just to come here

664
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Speaker 2: and do fake votes that don't actually mean anything or

665
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Speaker 2: matter at all. Even my committee work, for example, it's

666
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: not like bills are being reported out of committee these days.

667
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Speaker 2: They just get they get drawn up by the leadership

668
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: three days before they send it to you, and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you got to vote for this, or you're out of

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: What do you do? I mean, it's a terrible job

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Speaker 3: in many respects.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of these folks, most of them are rich,

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Speaker 2: you know, so for them, they're like, why should I stay?

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Speaker 3: I I'll just.

676
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 5: Leave out lobbyist passion.

677
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do it too if I was stuck in there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be clear, almost all of what these

679
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: people want to quote unquote accomplish and govern is bad.

680
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm not mad at the House

681
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: GOP dysfunction. But the thing that I also think is interesting.

682
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: So just to give you some of the numbers, twenty

683
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: three Republican lawmakers decided not to seek reelection or resigned early.

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Speaker 1: That includes, and this is the part that is kind

685
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Speaker 1: of astonishing, just based on history, five.

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Speaker 5: Committee chairs, right and crazy, you guys.

687
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to explain how coveted these positions are.

688
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: People work their entire careers to climb up the frickin'

689
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: ladder to be, you know, in these various committee positions,

690
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: and so at the point where they've actually like achieved

691
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Speaker 1: the goal of their many years of ambition, they're like,

692
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Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Like I'm just it's not worth it.

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Speaker 1: None of this is worth it. And I think it

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Speaker 1: is no worthy that. Listen, they can read the polls.

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00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: They see it's very likely that Trump is going to

696
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: be back. And you would think in an ordinary political

697
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: moment that the fact that you are going to have

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: an ally back in the White House as president of

699
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: the United States would make you more likely to stay

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Speaker 1: because then you say, oh, well, then you know we're

701
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: not far from being They have a very good shot

702
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: at taking back the Senate. They have a very good

703
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: shot at holding onto the House, although it is precarious,

704
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Speaker 1: I mean, their majority is bounced on a knife edge,

705
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: but they have a very good shot of having the House,

706
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: the Senate, and the presidency. And so to have that

707
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: situation and have this many people, especial especially committee chairs

708
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: being like I'm out, I think that is actually really

709
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Speaker 1: quite extraordinary. And so it speaks to the fact that

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Speaker 1: having Trump in the White House for a lot of

711
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: Republicans is not a benefit. It's a pain in the ass, right,

712
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: because then what happens, I mean, they're still not governing.

713
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: Everything they're getting asked is just questions about like the

714
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: latest bullshit that Trump did or said, or you know,

715
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: tweet truth that he's sent down or whatever, and they

716
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: just don't want to deal with it. So I think

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Speaker 1: that part is also really fascinating that they are very

718
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Speaker 1: they have a very good shot at having the trifecta

719
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Speaker 1: of the House, the Senate, in the White House, and

720
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Speaker 1: they're still like, in fact, because of the fact.

721
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Speaker 5: That Trump is likely to be back there.

722
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Speaker 1: That is part of the motivation for them wanting to

723
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Speaker 1: get out of town and snag their corporate board board

724
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Speaker 1: seats and lobbyist gigs while the getting is still good.

725
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Speaker 2: Like you just said, I mean, in the Trump era,

726
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: when a Republican senator the vast and I know some

727
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: of these people, but here's mostly what your job consisted of.

728
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: You do nothing while you're here.

729
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: While you walk down the hallway, you get accosted by

730
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: these reporters and they're like, have you seen the latest

731
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: Trump tweet on Mika Persinski's facelift?

732
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Speaker 3: Yes, And you're like.

733
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Speaker 2: Uh, well, I don't can know who the President says,

734
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Speaker 2: but you know, i'll see him in November in my district.

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

736
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Speaker 5: It is absolutely humiliated.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So look, I do not begrudge them for leaving,

739
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Speaker 2: but it is certainly I mean, whether it's a crisis

740
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Speaker 2: or not.

741
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

742
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: I mean they will all be replaced, all of their

743
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: jobs will continue.

744
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: That people replacing them probably believe the same things. And

745
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Speaker 3: all these.

746
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Speaker 1: People are in safe Republican seats exactly, so it doesn't

747
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: particularly further imperil the GOP majority. But it just is

748
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: a very unusual situation to have people who were this many,

749
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: people who were this highly placed, facing the prospect of

750
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Speaker 1: a continued majority.

751
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 5: To be like, I'm out, I'm done, well said.

752
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of Trump and some of the things that he

753
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: imposes on the GOP, Trump made a surprise appearance at

754
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Sneakerhead Convention. He's declared himself a member of the community,

755
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: and he is now unveiled for many of his supporters.

756
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: One of the grail items a golden pair of Trump

757
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: high tops that people literally wept in order to be

758
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Speaker 2: his president.

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00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: They've paid thousands of.

760
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Speaker 2: Dollars to acquire a pair, so he certainly is still

761
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Speaker 2: making money off of some of his supporters.

762
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Speaker 3: Take a lesson, Yo, check out these Trump ones. Four

763
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: hundred dollars retail on these. Check these out. Check the

764
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: box who says Trump and friends and family, And then

765
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: when you open it, it comes with like a gold wrapping paper.

766
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Speaker 1: Make these.

767
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Speaker 3: These are crazy? Look how many Trumps and on the

768
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: friends and family parents? He signed them to do that?

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Speaker 5: See, so what was your winning bed I about?

770
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Speaker 3: And let's see the signature? All right? Congratulations, you're all sneakerheads.

771
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: You're sneaker heads.

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Speaker 4: Try does everybody in the room consider themselves a sneakerhead?

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Speaker 5: I think so?

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00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 9: Yes, Sweet Christian, he's a good, honest man. They're after

775
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 9: here for no reason. Don't trap, He's a good man.

776
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 9: Look at a good jets, a good cheese.

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Speaker 3: All right, So a lot of passion in the audience, snegaretts.

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00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: The shoes the never Surrender high Top cell retail for

779
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: three hundred and nine and nine dollars. As you saw,

780
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: that gentleman paid nine thousand dollars for a signed pair

781
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: two along two of the low top sneakers actually also

782
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: come with a ninety dollars bottle of Victory forty seven

783
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: perfume and cologne was also available for sale on that website.

784
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Speaker 2: Trumb says that he's been wanting to do this for

785
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: a long time, and in a typical Trump fashion, he

786
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: actually did not manufacture the product. He simply registered the

787
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Speaker 2: trademark to cic Ventures LLC.

788
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Speaker 3: In the way that he's done business there in the past.

789
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Speaker 2: So assuming he's getting a decent a little bit of

790
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: a cut of something that's going on along with this,

791
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: here's my issue with the sneakers, all right, So the

792
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: high top sneakers in general. I don't really wear sneakers

793
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Speaker 2: as much anymore. I've been trying to only wear traditional shoes.

794
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna wear a high top sneaker, I

795
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: would genuine generally request it be a classic, like a

796
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: Converse style of the Nike. I'm blanking on the name

797
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: exactly for what they look like. These are gaudy. They

798
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: also crystal. You know, you remark this, they don't look

799
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: very well made for four hundred dollars, like shit in every.

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Speaker 5: Way, think about what you could buy they're hitting.

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Speaker 2: One hundred bucks. Yeah, four hundred dollars is a lot

802
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: of money.

803
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: You can buy a pair of Olden's for like boots

804
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: for four hundred dollars. So this is not what I personally.

805
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Would be spending my money on for somebody who's interested

806
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: in shoes and in clothing for men, And yeah, I

807
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: mean I cannot imagine a scenario where this would be

808
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: appropriate maybe Walmart, you know, wearing something like this, even then,

809
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: not really sure that's what I would want to be

810
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: wearing in there. So yeah, I'm honestly flabbergasted by the

811
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: entire thing. But guess what, they all sold out within hours,

812
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: so it's not like it didn't work, just like its

813
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: trading cards or whatever.

814
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: The NFTs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, a good sneaker design is a beautiful thing,

816
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: like some of the jordanses you know are. I mean,

817
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: they really put a lot of thought into the design

818
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: and inspiration, and they truly are like art like pieces

819
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: of art. This is some schlocky, ugly craft. And the

820
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: gold ones are the worst ones. There are these other

821
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: ones that are like red, white, and blue that are

822
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: just sort of very standard but also just look kind

823
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: of like cut and paste. Nothing special about them, nothing

824
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: like that really pops about them. They're just they again

825
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: look like something you you know, that might get a Walmart.

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Speaker 1: No offense Walmart, but I've I've purchased many shoes Walmart.

827
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Speaker 3: So no, my first I was a George.

828
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, they're they're quite hideous, and I'm in

829
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Speaker 1: the other context, obviously, this guy needs to make a

830
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: buck apparently, because he's got facing an almost half a

831
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: billion dollar judgment against him that he's got either pony

832
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: up or you know, post enough collateral to be able

833
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: to get a bond and get someone to agree to that.

834
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: So I guess he's in the market for new money

835
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: making ventures and fool better to go to than to

836
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: further squeeze and rip off your own fan base, which

837
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: is exactly the people who will pay the four hundred

838
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: dollars price for these hideous things.

839
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean, I guess it's part part of

840
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: merch you know, fan merchant, all that stuff. I will say,

841
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, at least our merchandise union made, and it's actually.

842
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 3: It's actually nice, high quality. Our stuff is actually genuine,

843
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: high quality.

844
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad charging what we do because a

845
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: it's made in America, it's made with the union labor,

846
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: and it's nice.

847
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: It's actually nicer than most of the stuff.

848
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: But when you mark your stuff up by several hundred percent,

849
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: and it's an inferior product, Like I said, So I

850
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: looked up the names I was blanking on it. They're

851
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: the Nike mid Blazers. That's a very classic shoe as you.

852
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: Can see here. Yeah, those are nice, very very classic.

853
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: I actually own a pair. And then the Converse Chuck Taylor.

854
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Obviously that's one of those, you know, the most classic

855
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: designs in all of men's where you can mess around

856
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: a little bit with some of the ancillary at details.

857
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: Doesn't necessarily need be Converse, Nike or any of that.

858
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: But really what you're going for is like a clean esthetic.

859
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: That's something you can put together that is not going

860
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: to draw too much attention down to the shoe.

861
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: All great outfits should draw attention to the face.

862
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: Part of the reason why wearing a gaudy pair of

863
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: fox leather sneakers would violate some of the fundamental rules.

864
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Speaker 1: What do you think it could cost the goods on

865
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: these monstrosities are.

866
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Speaker 2: It depends, I mean, it depends on how many he's made.

867
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Speaker 2: If they're being made to order, it doesn't sound like

868
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: they made all too many of them. Maybe twenty thirty

869
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: bucks something like that unit costs whenever we're factoring in

870
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: shipping and all of that, maybe forty something else messy,

871
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: So it's a decent amount of pocket that's going into

872
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: the for the big man. But hey, that one lady

873
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: seemed really happy. The other guy at the same time,

874
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: you know what he paid nine thousand bucks. There's the

875
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: trump there's a crazy trump boat guy out there who

876
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: will buy some of those on stock X.

877
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: Like we know that they exist.

878
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: So from an investment point of view, he's not wrong

879
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: per se.

880
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: To be helped to buy it.

881
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: I wonder what they are retailing for.

882
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: Let's look, I will look it up right now. Okay,

883
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: So with some research on eBay, here's what we've got.

884
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: We've got one pair going for a size nine chrystal

885
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: going for.

886
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: Forty five thousand dollars.

887
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: Another one here with eleven watchers on eBay and fifty

888
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: dollars in shipping the man. The galls on this guy

889
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: twenty three thousand, five hundred dollars. Another one going for

890
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: seventeen thousand. The cheapest gold pair that I can find

891
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: on eBay right now is two thousand, five hundred bucks.

892
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: And these are all oh eight thousand here. Yeah, so

893
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: it looks like this man made a good trade. Good

894
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: trade to him the assigned ones. If a basic pair

895
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: can be listed for forty five k.

896
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 3: Imagine what's some weirdo out there is going.

897
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: To pay so I guess that dude that bought the

898
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars pair.

899
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 5: I agree that, guys, wasn't a bad deal.

900
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: I was a good deal. It was a good deal.

901
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: Now you know, it's still risky, you never know, still

902
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: questionable financial decision if I was his partner or somebody

903
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: like that, but hey, you never know.

904
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: And good luck to the man in his eBay avengers.

905
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: I certainly wish him luck.

906
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: What a world we live in?

907
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to the next part.

908
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: Speaking of what a world we live in, we wanted

909
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: to cover this and just give a general reaction. We

910
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: haven't been able to do that one yet. From Sora,

911
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: the new product that is being released at least being

912
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: red teamed currently by a select few that's been released

913
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: by Open Ai. This is text to video in some

914
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: of the most stunning imagery from AI that we have

915
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: seen yet. We have a couple of prompts that we

916
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: wanted to show everybody. The first one, let's put this

917
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: up there on the screen, is just amazing. This was

918
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: where the first really one that they released. It says

919
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: for those who are just listening, a beautiful, snowy Tokyo

920
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: city is bustling The camera moves through the bustling city street,

921
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: following several people enjoying the snowy weather shopping at nearby stalls.

922
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Gorgeous sakura petals are flying through the wind along with snowflakes.

923
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it really does appear real. It's only whenever

924
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: you get really close in crystal to some of their

925
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: faces that you can tell that it's fake because it's

926
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: a bit blurry and it's still in that uncanny valley.

927
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: But if you are a decent enough away from their profile,

928
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: it would pass the smell test. I think it's no

929
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: longer really there. The next one, too, is quite a

930
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: let's go and put this one up there. Two Golden

931
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: retrievers podcasting on top of a mountain. What gets me

932
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: is the realistic way that that Golden retriever is panting.

933
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: Now Here we have said. A white and orange tabby

934
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: cat seen happily darting through a dense garden, chasing something.

935
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: If eyes are wide and happy as it jogs forward,

936
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: scanning the branch as flowers and leaves as it walks.

937
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: The path is narrow as it makes its way between

938
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 2: all the plants. The scene is captured from a ground

939
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: level angle following the cat closely.

940
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: This one does appear to fake to me. I'm not

941
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: sure about you.

942
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's in the Uncanny Valley for the for

943
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: the cat. The other two they look real. The golden

944
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: one is the most real.

945
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 5: I agree with you. And the thing with the dogs.

946
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: First of all, they're adorable.

947
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: Yes, on their little red and white picnic blanket on

948
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: the mountain, the little head phones on, and the way

949
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: that the wind is rustling their furs, right, it's like,

950
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: how do you do that? I mean, you know, And

951
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: it's just based on that text prompt of two Golden

952
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Retrievers podcasting on a mountain, and you get the scenery

953
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: is beautiful. The thought of like putting them on this

954
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: little blanket and the microphone looks in the headphones and

955
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: the way that they're interacting with each other, it's it's

956
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: pretty wild.

957
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: I mean it is incredible.

958
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: The number of scenes that I've seen, especially the ones

959
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: that are like scenery or landscape, I mean, those seem

960
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: very very real.

961
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: And very accurate. Crystal we can actually this is amazing.

962
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: This is actually if when it does come out, this

963
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: is what I'm gonna use it most for, which is

964
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: historical footage.

965
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: Let's put this one please up on the screen.

966
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: Historical footage of California during the gold Rush. What's amazing

967
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: about this is not just like the dead wood style architecture,

968
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: the horses and everything. Is also like the patina color

969
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: on the camera as if.

970
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: It's old footage, and the landscape.

971
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: Reverting it back to where it was, the oxen, you know,

972
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: people pulling just i mean, the shadows there like in

973
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: the saloon. For me, that is just absolutely amazing. Again,

974
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: you don't get in far enough to realize the uncanny

975
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: valley here. Also, just to show everybody the progress that's

976
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: been made, here's one from twenty twenty three of Will

977
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: Smith that there was an original prompt. It was like

978
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 2: show Will Smith eating spaghetti. Now compare it to where

979
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: we are now. Look how awful you know, his features,

980
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: his eyes and never it's terrible. Yeah, I mean it's

981
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: just it's his mouth, you know, barely opens. And then

982
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: look at the realistic nature. I'm not sure what the

983
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: prompt is on that other one, but it's like old

984
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: man with a beard sitting in a cafe, people moving

985
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: behind him.

986
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it looks basic.

987
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: It's almost the only reason that we can tell it's

988
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: not real is because his features are a little bit

989
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: too perfect.

990
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: It's like things are.

991
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: Just a little bit too smooth. It's like if somebody

992
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 2: hits airbrush or something.

993
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, I agree, agree, But I do feel like,

994
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, we have the luxury of knowing that it

995
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: was AI generated.

996
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: That's true.

997
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: I think that if I just saw that video and

998
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: didn't know, I don't think that I would pick up

999
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: on that because, like you said, it could just be

1000
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: it could easily just be a filter. It could just

1001
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: be the light, you know, good lighting making him look

1002
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: in you know, the most ideal way.

1003
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 5: That he could possibly look.

1004
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: So I do.

1005
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we have passed a significant rubicon now where

1006
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: it is not just rubes and people who aren't very

1007
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: sophisticated and people who don't have a good eye or

1008
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: whatever who can be completely one hundred percent tricked by

1009
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: these because especially depending on the prompt and depending on

1010
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, I think the human beings are

1011
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: still the most challenging. But that old man, like I said,

1012
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that looks very real to me. We are

1013
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: in a new phase now, and there's a lot to

1014
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: say about I can't even wrap my head around all

1015
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: of the implications of not only where this technology is

1016
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: right now, but as you were just pointing out, the

1017
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: fact that it developed and progressed so quickly.

1018
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 5: In one year is mind blowing.

1019
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: It's extraordinary, and I also feel like it's kind of

1020
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: terrifying because I don't know what all the implications are,

1021
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: and neither do these people who are developing it and

1022
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: putting it out into the world, and certainly neither do

1023
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: our lawmakers have any sort of a grasp of what

1024
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: the risks.

1025
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 5: And what the potential implications are.

1026
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: So I am the camp in the camp that is

1027
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: amazed by this, but also very very unsettled by what

1028
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: it could mean.

1029
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: Some of the implications so far that I've seen commercial

1030
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: application what you might see in our producer Griffin floats

1031
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: that all commercials may basically be over now, or you

1032
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: can get decent enough stock footage and other things that

1033
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: you can use in the past, you no longer have

1034
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: to hire actors. One of the immediate implications I thought

1035
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: of for people who work in film is think about

1036
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: how much nicer it will be for storyboarding. An idea like,

1037
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: if you're working on a project and you want to

1038
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: just get to roughly what it should look like and

1039
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: your vision. You can use something like this instead of

1040
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: having cartoon artists and others sketch things out. Secondary is

1041
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: we can think about animated film. What's something that could

1042
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: look like the ways that you know Disney, Pixar and

1043
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: all the other magic that we've seen him.

1044
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: This was revolutionary technology.

1045
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: It's why Pixar was one of the most such a

1046
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: valuable part of Disney that Disney even purchased them.

1047
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: It's a huge part of childhood.

1048
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: You can think about, you know, using a product like

1049
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: this to dramatically lower the unit costs, move things over

1050
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: to YouTube in terms of voiceover and all that.

1051
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: It just takes a lot of the work out of

1052
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: it because then you just.

1053
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: Have to put that in there. You don't have to

1054
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: do any of the animation. Those are just things that

1055
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: immediately come to mind. Yeah, and I'm trying to think

1056
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: about circumstances that we may use it. So, from what

1057
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: we understand right now, our team will use AI stuff

1058
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: a mid journey I believe, for thumbnails, like in retrospect. So,

1059
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: but I'm trying to think about maybe a circumstance that

1060
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: if we want to recreate something that had happened and

1061
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: explain it to our audience. Maybe we could type something

1062
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: in here, and especially if it gets good enough with politicians,

1063
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: you could create a scenario where somebody can literally have

1064
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 2: it come to life.

1065
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking out loud.

1066
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Imagine Gavin Newsom at the Democratic Contention giving his acceptance

1067
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: speech after he just vanquished Kamala Harris.

1068
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: What what would it look like?

1069
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I struggle to really understand what the

1070
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: implications would be for us in particular. The thing that

1071
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: is very clear is just we're at a point now,

1072
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: guys where you just you.

1073
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 5: Can't believe your eyes.

1074
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, just because you were seeing a video, a picture, whatever,

1075
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: audio and it looks real, it sounds real, it feels real,

1076
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: does not mean that it's real. And that is I

1077
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: think a very difficult thing for human beings to struggle with.

1078
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we're ready for it. I don't think

1079
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: our politicians are ready for it. The most clear is

1080
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: you're pointing out sager implications in terms of industry and workers.

1081
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: Is in Hollywood, as you guys know, because we covered

1082
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: it extensively at the time, both the actors and the

1083
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: writers and the director, they were all on strike and

1084
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: some of the key things that they were concerned about

1085
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: were implications of AI, and for the actors, this rapid

1086
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: development and technology has the largest implications. The contract that

1087
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: they just agreed to and signed does not have great

1088
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: protections in.

1089
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 5: Terms of AI.

1090
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: It has some provisions, but even at the time, there's

1091
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: a reason why many of these contract deals, once they're crafted,

1092
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: they get overwhelming like ninety eight percent support. This one

1093
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Speaker 1: had more reluctance associated with the rank and file, specifically

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Speaker 1: because of concerns over AI protections. Wired had a good

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Speaker 1: write up at the time, can put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. So one of the people who worked directly

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Speaker 1: on the AI provisions and with sounding the alarms about

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Speaker 1: some of the language in the agreement, she said that

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Speaker 1: she was worried primarily about quote unquote synthetic performance performers

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Speaker 1: or AIS that resemble humans.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 1: This gives the studios and streamers a green light to

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Speaker 1: use human looking AI objects instead of hiring a human actor.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to use generative AI to make a

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00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: King Kong or a flying serpent. It is another to

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Speaker 1: have an AI object play a human character instead of

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00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: a real actor.

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00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: So how do you regulate that.

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Speaker 1: And there are some provisions in here that's like, you

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Speaker 1: can't just take Denzel Washington and AI generate him and

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00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: put them in your thing. However, what if you take

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Speaker 1: someone with a lot of the characteristics of Denzel Washington

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00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: who's sort of giving Denzel Washington but isn't.

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Speaker 5: Actually exactly like Denzel Washington.

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Speaker 1: Where do you draw the line of where the boundaries

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00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: are legally? But I feel like we see this already

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00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: in some of the legislation, the lawsuits over music and

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00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: whether or not some you know, beat or rhythm or

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00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: part of a track was used illegally by another artist,

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Speaker 1: and you have to go through the courtroom process of

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00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: like is it similar enough to count as being a

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00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: ripoff an.

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Speaker 5: Infringement or not.

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Speaker 1: So we're moving into a realm where that will have

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Speaker 1: to be legislated in court too, like how close can

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Speaker 1: you come to a known actor before you're over the

1127
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: line and you're ripping off that person's likeness. The other

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Speaker 1: thing that they expect is that this will further increase

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Speaker 1: the sort of inequality in Hollywood in terms of the

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Speaker 1: acting profession, because if you are an a list star,

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00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: you have the money and you have the you know,

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00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: brand awareness and the media attention, et cetera, to fight

1133
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: back if you and your likeness are being used in

1134
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: these ways that are potentially over the line. If you

1135
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: aren't that person, if you aren't the Denzel Washington, you

1136
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: don't have the resources to fight back. You are expendable,

1137
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: and AI is very cheap, so they can render someone

1138
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: who looks very much like you and sounds very much

1139
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: like you and plug you into the background of films,

1140
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: plug you in as an extra, and you don't see

1141
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: a dime. So I do think for a lot of

1142
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: actors who aren't you know, the top, the top, the top,

1143
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: this is a quite an existential threat to their industry

1144
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: and to their work. In the same way, and they

1145
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: make this parallel and the wired piece in the same

1146
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: way that automated truck driving is a threat to teamsters

1147
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: and professional truck drivers. This is already an existential threat

1148
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: to many acting professionals.

1149
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I certainly think it does. In terms of what

1150
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 3: we should do about it, I honestly don't know.

1151
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: I'm still in a wait and see mode just because

1152
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: something I always talk about full self driving technology for

1153
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: Tesla and all that. Listen, you know, it can get

1154
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: you on the highway, but like if you're asking it

1155
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: to turn left or something in a crowded street, good luck,

1156
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: it's not there. And this is billions of dollars that

1157
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: have been thrown at everyone's like, Oh, this is going

1158
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: to replace Hollywood. I just don't think so. I can't

1159
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: continue to come back to the nom Chonski op ed.

1160
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: Remember they wrote in the New York Times about how

1161
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: LMS fundamentally misunderstand the evolution of human language. A thought

1162
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: of creativity and look, Gnome, you can think whatever you

1163
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: want about his politics. I happen to agree with some

1164
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: of it, but he is a world renowned linguist. He

1165
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: kind of knows what he's talking about. And the point

1166
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: that he makes is that syntax, the construction of language

1167
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: and all of that itself. Simply compiling that in the

1168
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: database just misses the deep human like evolution of language

1169
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: over what six million years now, Yeah, that's been happening.

1170
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: I happen to have some faith in that. That doesn't

1171
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Speaker 2: mean that this won't be a very very useful tool.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it as replacement.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the AI will roll this and laugh at me

1174
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: ten years from now or whatever. But yeah, I could

1175
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Speaker 3: be wrong. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is in a scriptive production, though you're

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Speaker 1: not depending on the AI to generate the human like speech.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: True, you have skeeek screenwriters, although I mean potentially they're

1180
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Speaker 1: heading in the direction of also using AI at least

1181
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: for first drafts or polishing or whatever. But you know,

1182
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: in terms of the video piece, I think the technology

1183
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: is already at a place where for extras it's done.

1184
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: Like if you have you know, your primary actors in

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00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: the front of the scene, and you've got people behind

1186
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: you eating and walking and walking the dog and talking to.

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Speaker 5: Their kids or whatever.

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00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: This tech is already good enough that you could do

1189
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: that and no one would notice that these aren't actual

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Speaker 1: real human beings.

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Speaker 3: And there's other stuff like that. I'm not a hun

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Speaker 3: percent familiar.

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Speaker 2: I believe the term are like secondaries, like things that

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Speaker 2: you film away from the main cast.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you can be like tracking shots or extra stuff.

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Speaker 2: If you could use AI for that, you just save

1197
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: money on a drone, you save money on a helicopter.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's all kinds of scenery shots.

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Speaker 1: And then all the crew that would be responsible for

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Speaker 1: filming that and editing that, et cetera. I mean there

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Speaker 1: it would also impact their industry greatly as well. So,

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Speaker 1: like I said, the fulsome implications. I don't think anyone

1203
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: can really wrap their head around what it's going to

1204
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: look like and where the technology is going to end up.

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Speaker 5: But I think.

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Speaker 1: Already there are clear huge implications for Hollywood in particular,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not sure that I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like we are ready to grapple with the fallout for

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00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: what this incredible technology is going to mean for that

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Speaker 1: industry in particular, but more broadly as well.

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Speaker 3: I agree totally.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we have a lot of developments to

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Speaker 1: get to with regard to Israel. First of all, just

1214
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Speaker 1: breaking really today. The first news came out yesterday, but

1215
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Speaker 1: fully being picked up by the process this morning. The

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Speaker 1: US has decided to push its own version of a

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Speaker 1: temporary ceasefire resolution through the UN Security Council. We can

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. It has some of

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Speaker 1: the details. This comes as Algeria had offered a separate

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Speaker 1: resolution that the US is intending to block. So the

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Speaker 1: headline here from Reuter's is US proposals UN Security Council

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Speaker 1: oppose RAFA assault back temporary Gaza ceasefire. We have proposed

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Speaker 1: a rival draft UN Security Council resolution that will call

1224
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Speaker 1: for a temporary ceasefire in Israel Hamas war and oppose

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Speaker 1: a major ground offensive by Israel in Rafa. According to

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Speaker 1: text seen by Reuters, the move comes after the US

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Speaker 1: signaled it would veto on Tuesday an Algerian drafted resolution

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Speaker 1: that would demand an immediate humanitarian ceasefire over concerns. This

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Speaker 1: is according to our people, that it could jeopardize talks

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Speaker 1: between the US, Egypt, Israel and Cutter that seeks to

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Speaker 1: broker a pause in the war the release of hostages

1232
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Speaker 1: held by Hamas. Until now, Washington has been averse to

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Speaker 1: the word ceasefire in any UN action on the Israel

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Speaker 1: Hamas war. But the US text echoes language that President

1235
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Speaker 1: Biden said he used last week in conversations with net Nyahu.

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Speaker 1: It would see the Security Council underscore its support for

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Speaker 1: a temporary ceasefire. This is all in quotes right now

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00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: in Gaza as soon as practicable, based on the formula

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00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: of all hostages being released and calls for lifting all

1240
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Speaker 1: barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance at scale. I

1241
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Speaker 1: also want to call your attention to what they're reporting.

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Speaker 1: The proposed draft says specifically about Rafa. Because they don't

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Speaker 1: say no, you can never do a ground offensive in Rafa.

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Speaker 1: They say that they have determined, under current circumstances, a

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Speaker 1: major ground offensive into Rafa would result in for their

1246
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: harms of civilians and their further displacement, including potentially into

1247
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Speaker 1: neighboring countries. Let me go ahead and put this next

1248
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Speaker 1: piece up on the screen, because with regard to Raffa,

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Speaker 1: this is incredibly critical. Israel is imminently threatening a full

1250
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: scale Rafa invasion for the first time. They set a

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00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: specific deadline of the beginning of the Muslim holy day

1252
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Speaker 1: of Ramadan, which starts on March tenth. That is, per

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Speaker 1: Benny Gantz, who is a member of the Israeli War Cabinet,

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Speaker 1: delivering effectively an ultimatum at a Sunday event, he said,

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Speaker 1: and I quote, the world must know and Hamma's leaders

1256
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: must know that if by Ramada on the hostages are

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00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: not home, then the fighting will continue, including in Rafa.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you, guys, but I will

1259
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: remind you again that Palestinians have been pushed south multiple

1260
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: times until now you have the bulk of the population

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Speaker 1: one point three million Palestinians who are clustered right up

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Speaker 1: alongside the border with Egypt in the city of Rafa.

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Speaker 5: There is nowhere else for them to go.

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Speaker 1: The humanitarian conditions are already appalling. The bombing that was

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: used as like a distraction while Israel rescued two of

1266
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: their hostages killed some sixty plus Palestinians. So it's not

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: like Rafa is safe right now. But what they're talking

1268
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: about soccer would be another order of magnitude. So, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of this US move.

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00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: It is noteworthy that they are going to allow something

1271
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: through the Security Council, that that something includes this forbidden

1272
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: word of ceasefire, that it at least expresses concern about

1273
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: a ground invasion of Rafa. But as always, the question

1274
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: is not just what are you going to say, but

1275
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? What is going to

1276
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: be behind this Security Council resolution to actually try to

1277
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Speaker 1: get to Israel to stop the slaughter here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously the U and Security Crencil resolution has no

1279
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: authority or ability to enforce anything.

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Speaker 3: It comes down to the Member States of what's his name.

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00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: BB has said repeatedly, if you are saying that we

1282
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: can't go into Rafa, you're saying we can't defeat the enemy,

1283
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: you're saying that we cannot prosecute the war. So which

1284
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: is I mean, he's made it very clear that this

1285
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: is something that they're going to do.

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00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: At the same time, I'm not sure.

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00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this could have some move because it

1288
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: does show the first time that the US is saying no,

1289
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: you can't go into Rafa, or at the very least

1290
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: allowing a resolution or something like that to go through.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the President told by Bebe that on the phone.

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Speaker 2: This is a direct contradiction apparently of what the Israeli

1293
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: war cabinet wants. In terms of the Wall Street Journal

1294
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: story that I know we've read about the Israeli plans

1295
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: to go into Gaza they say in the coming weeks,

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Speaker 2: there does seem to be some ambiguity here about whether

1297
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Speaker 2: this is going to be allowed through. I was floating

1298
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: a theory with Ryan, I wonder what you think. Yeah,

1299
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if the Israelis and the Egyptians are almost

1300
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Speaker 2: talking a bit behind the scenes as to why the

1301
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Speaker 2: Egyptians would have built that large fence around Rafa for

1302
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Speaker 2: some sort of like refugee containment zone. It could be

1303
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Speaker 2: that they're waiting until something like that has occurred.

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Speaker 3: I genuinely don't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen reporting or something like that to effect.

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Speaker 2: I would not put it past the two governments to

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Speaker 2: do something like that in response to this. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know what all of the chess pieces here mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm skeptical of the US's here.

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Speaker 1: I do pick up on the fact that they're not

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Speaker 1: saying you can't go into Rafa. They're saying under current circumstances. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: and you know BB is already they're already floating like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you guys can build a tense city and you know,

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Speaker 1: then I guess the circumstances would be different and then

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Speaker 1: we could go ahead. So I see a lot of

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Speaker 1: wiggle room here. I thought Ryan made a great point

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Speaker 1: in You Guys Show yesterday. He said, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: pushing Palestinians up against the border, and there's all this

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Speaker 1: pressure on Egypt to allow this Palestinian refugee population into

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Speaker 1: their country. And of course, you know that is it's

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Speaker 1: an impossible situation that the Israelis had put everybody into

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Speaker 1: because Egypt, first of all, is worried about political instability,

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Speaker 1: second of all, is worried about participating in an ethnic

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01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: cleansing Palestinans and Gaza obviously very fearful that if they

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Speaker 1: left the Gaza Strip they would never be allowed to

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Speaker 1: return to their homes. You know, obvious solution is, okay, Israel,

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Speaker 1: if you want to go into Rafa, you can have

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Speaker 1: the tent city or you know, in Israel, and how's

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Speaker 1: the civilian population, and then there wouldn't be the fear

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Speaker 1: of you're not going to let us return to our

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Speaker 1: homes in the Gaza Strip. Obviously, in that instance, they

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Speaker 1: would allow you to return to your home in the

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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip because they don't want you in Israel. So

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Speaker 1: the fact that they put that completely off the table

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Speaker 1: tells you a whole lot about their actual care and

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Speaker 1: concern for the Palestinian civilian population, which is not only none,

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Speaker 1: but as we've documented here, I mean, the clear intent

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Speaker 1: at this point is just devastation, annihilation, pain, suffering, collective

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Speaker 1: punishment of the Palestinian civilian population. And you know that

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Speaker 1: has been very clear from the beginning of this offensive

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Speaker 1: in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Interesting development, and I have no idea where things go

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Speaker 1: from here. I really don't know if the ceasefire negotiations,

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Speaker 1: the temporary ceasefire negotiations, have any real shot at coming

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: to fruition. I can tell you the domestic pressure on

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Speaker 1: Bbie continues to be in the direction of continue doing

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Speaker 1: this thing indefinitely. There had previously been a pole soccer

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Speaker 1: that we covered that Israeli citizens preferred the goal of

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01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: freeing the hostages over quote unquote defeating Hamas. I saw

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Speaker 1: a new poll that had the opposite conclusion that they

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01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: put the first priority of defeating Hamas. Bbe of course

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: knows the war has to continue. For him to continue

1354
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: his hold on power, he needs to bring home some

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: sort of victory, which they have not been able to

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Speaker 1: manage thus far. And so that's where we are. Does

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Speaker 1: this resolution really move the needle without also threatening you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to send the weapons that you need

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Speaker 1: to engage in this offensive. There are going to be

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Speaker 1: other consequences if you do these things that we are

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Speaker 1: asking you not to do. I think that would probably

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Speaker 1: be more consequential, but we haven't seen that yet yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 5: At the same.

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Speaker 1: Time, you know, speaking of pressure on bb and on

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Speaker 1: the Israeli domestic society.

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Speaker 5: This was quite extraordinary. And put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: The Israeli economy on an annual basis shrank at a

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Speaker 1: twenty percent rate in the final quarter of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: So if you extrapolate out the economic crash of the

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Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty three to an entire year, you

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Speaker 1: are talking about GDP shrinking by twenty percent. It is

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Speaker 1: impossible to explain what a massive contraction that would ultimately be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about even beyond the level of

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Speaker 1: things like COVID. No, it's nuts that, yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely nuts. Let me give you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the explanation of what happened here. They say

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Speaker 1: the sharp drop in that ftpiece was caused in part

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Speaker 1: by the colup of three hundred thousand reservists who had

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Speaker 1: to leave behind their workplaces and businesses. Other factors did

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Speaker 1: the economy included the government sponsorship of housing for more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred and twenty thousand Israelis who have been

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Speaker 1: evacuated from the northern and southern borders following the October

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Speaker 1: seventh attack. I think this one is actually really critical.

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Speaker 1: Israelin posts tough restrictions on the movement of Palestinian workers

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Speaker 1: from the West Bank into the country. That move hit

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Speaker 1: the construction sector, causing labor shortages that became an additional

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Speaker 1: drag on economic growth. So they basically use Palestinians as

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Speaker 1: like day laborers to do the jobs that Israeli citizens

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Speaker 1: don't want to do. And so for all of those

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Speaker 1: workers to effectively be banned and not available for work,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been devastating for Palestinians for the West

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Speaker 1: Bank economy also has been really bad for the Israeli economy.

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Speaker 1: In addition, they said imports of goods and services fell

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Speaker 1: forty two percent while exports dropped eighteen percent. So you

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Speaker 1: have had this just massive collapse in economic activity. You

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Speaker 1: also have a huge number of Israeli's estimates are around

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Speaker 1: half a million who have just left the country and

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Speaker 1: not clear whether or not they're going to come back.

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Speaker 1: So the economic toll of this war on Israel has

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Speaker 1: been really actually quite extraordinary, and this was worse. People

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Speaker 1: knew there was going to be a drop in economic growth,

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Speaker 1: They did not predict anything like twenty percent on an

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Speaker 1: annual basis.

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Speaker 2: Well, the imports of the goods following forty two percent

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Speaker 2: is also nuts because Israel obviously is a society that

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Speaker 2: is deeply reliant on import export. Export's also dropping by

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Speaker 2: eighteen percent. So they've got the high tech economy that

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01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: can save them in the future. That's you know, if

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Speaker 2: sanctions and other things don't go through, but at the

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Speaker 2: very basic level like what they need to subsist on

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Speaker 2: and then basically becoming a completely backstopped by government spending,

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Speaker 2: that's not a good situation to be in for their

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Speaker 2: domestic economy. Losing all these people, and it just demonstrates

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Speaker 2: too Look for the Israelis, you want peace, you cannot

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Speaker 2: live this way.

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Speaker 3: You know, having one hundred thousand people or so, if you.

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Speaker 2: Guys go to war with Lebanon, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: million people that you're gonna have to evacuate.

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Speaker 3: You're going to pay all their bills.

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Speaker 2: You've either got to ship them out of the country

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Speaker 2: or you're gonna rehouse them, or some of the intellivision.

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Speaker 2: You've got to pay that rent as we can see,

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Speaker 2: which is bankrupting the government. Not to mention if you

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Speaker 2: have to recall those three hundred thousand reservists, you've got

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Speaker 2: to pay them, and you've got to try and replace

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Speaker 2: them whenever there's a labor crisis and all this this

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Speaker 2: will basically make you a total war economy. I was

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Speaker 2: talking about this with Ryan yesterday, but one of the

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Speaker 2: things we were talking in the Russian context too. Something

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Speaker 2: that is clear is that when you transition to this,

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Speaker 2: coming out of it is immensely difficult, and you were

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Speaker 2: signing yourselves up for years of inflation, of shortages, of

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Speaker 2: labor disputes. Just look to our own history or any

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Speaker 2: other economy that comes out of this. You want to

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Speaker 2: exit as soon as humanly possible. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: people there have felt it yet. It could actually take

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Speaker 2: a long time before people start to really feel it

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Speaker 2: at that level.

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Speaker 3: But this goes to show that for years and years

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Speaker 3: and years.

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Speaker 2: To come, they're going to be grappling with the decisions

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Speaker 2: being made in these more than one hundred days.

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Speaker 5: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I'm covering today in my monologue.

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Speaker 1: There's multiple things happening at the ICJ this week. On Friday,

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Speaker 1: Israel's facing a deadline to prove that they are complying

1448
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Speaker 1: with the injunctions issued by the ICJ with regard to

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Speaker 1: them plausibly committing a genocide. I think they are very

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01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: much flogging that desk. I'll talk more about that in

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: amount long later this week. But they also are facing

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: these hearings over the illegal nature of their occupation. And

1453
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, in ordinary times they could easily shrunk this

1454
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: off right and it wouldn't matter because for number one,

1455
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the world wouldn't even be paying attention.

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01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: You know this, this international institutions, they have no teeth.

1457
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 1: They you know, had an injunction against them, an advisory

1458
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: ruling go against them in two thousand and four. They

1459
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: didn't care. They were supposed to. There's, you know, the

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Speaker 1: barrier wall in the West Bank, they're supposed to take

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Speaker 1: it down. Not only they not take it down, they

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Speaker 1: actually expanded it. So it shows you how much care

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: and concern they give and credence they give to these

1464
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: decisions they go against them. But you're now at a

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Speaker 1: time where you know, the economy is incredibly dire shape,

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Speaker 1: and so the more that these decisions go against you,

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Speaker 1: and the more that you have effectively world pariah status.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is you know, this is basically what

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Speaker 1: the BDS movement was trying to accomplish all these years,

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Speaker 1: and it's part of what put pressure on South Africa

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Speaker 1: during apartheid as well.

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Speaker 5: Is this you know, global pariahs.

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01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: Status that was devastating to the country, to their world prestige,

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: to their economy, et cetera. And so you know, you

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Speaker 1: are inching closer and closer to that being a reality,

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Speaker 1: which is why some of these things which may not

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Speaker 1: ordinarily matter, like rulings at the ICJ, may have a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a different implication at this particular moment,

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Speaker 1: given the precarity that Netnyahu has has steered the Israeli

1480
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Speaker 1: economy and the Israeli society into for the first time ever.

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Speaker 1: In addition, credit rating agency downgraded Israel. This has never

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Speaker 1: happened before.

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Speaker 5: This was Moody's. We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: They downgraded Israel's credit rating.

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01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: This was a couple of weeks ago, citing material political

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Speaker 1: and fiscal risks for the country from its war with

1487
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: Palestinian militant group ham Us. The impact of the conflict

1488
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: raises political risk and weakens Israel's executive and legislative institutions.

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Speaker 1: It's fiscal strength for the FACI seeable future. Moody's had

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Speaker 1: begun this review for a downgrade on October nineteenth, and

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Speaker 1: this just came through in early February. The country's rating

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Speaker 1: was cut to a two. That is still five notches

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Speaker 1: above investment grades, so it's still, like, you know, a

1494
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: solid credit rating, but it's the first down grade ever

1495
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Speaker 1: in history, and its credit outlook was kept negative by Moody's,

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Speaker 1: meaning that a further downgrade is possible.

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Speaker 5: Babe was furious.

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Speaker 1: About this downgrade, and always, you know, his level of

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Speaker 1: fury is indicative of how much he thinks these things

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Speaker 1: may actually matter and what the consequences could be. Put

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, he said, the decision does

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: not reflect the state of the country's economy.

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Speaker 5: It is entirely due to the fact that we are

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Speaker 5: at war.

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Speaker 1: The rating will go back up as soon as we

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: win the war. So he responded very strongly to this news.

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Speaker 1: When this dropped a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Back, well, obviously matters, like I said, for trade, for

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: the your ability to conduct commerce expors imports is exactly

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 2: why we freak out whenever our credit rating goes down,

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: and they're not.

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Speaker 5: The world's reserve tu Sun loans, et cetera.

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01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have way less.

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01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have way more to worry about from an

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: international financial system point of view than we do. So

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where these are exactly all the

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Speaker 2: long term concerns that we've laid out here before, which

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Speaker 2: are remain ever present for the Israelis.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of long term concerns, you know, this war has

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Speaker 1: long now spilled outside of the borders of the Gaza Strip,

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: and we have continued tit for tat escalations between Israel

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01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,440
Speaker 1: and Lebanon, in particular.

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: It can put this up on the screen.

1524
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: There was some you know, pretty wild imagery coming out

1525
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: of southern Lebanon here of Israeli airstrikes on a town

1526
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: here in southern Lebanon, according to the Israeli military and

1527
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: Lebanese state media. So let me go and read you

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about this Lebanese arm group. Has one

1529
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: Israel been exchanging your daily fire across the border since

1530
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: Israel launched its assault on Gaza in response to the

1531
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: Hamas ledt on October seventh. In Israeli army spokesman said

1532
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: on Monday, we targeted Hesbela weapons depost near Saidan in

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01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: response to explosion of an enemy craft whose wreckage we

1534
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: found near the Tiberius area this afternoon. Will continue to

1535
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: act forcefully in response to Hesbela attacks. On Friday, hesbel

1536
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: A Secretary General Hassan Usralla vowed that Israel would pay

1537
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: quote with blood for civilians it killed in Lebanon. He

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: warned the group possesses missiles that could reach anywhere in Israel.

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01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: Heswela has reported around two hundred of its fighters have

1540
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: been killed since the cross border escalation started. That so,

1541
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: this continues to be an extraordinary area of risk for

1542
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: a broader conflagration, even more so than what we've already seen.

1543
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: More so, yesterday, this was actually pretty interesting. Let's put

1544
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. The new attack on

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01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: a ship by the Hoho Thies appears to have been

1546
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 2: their most damaging attack that's launched to date.

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 2: The crew of a cargo ship was forced to abandon

1549
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 2: after it came under attack from Husti militia and Yemen

1550
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: who'd been firing missiles at the Red Sea. This ship

1551
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: was called the Ruby, appeared to be one of the

1552
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: who these most damage so far, most of the arm

1553
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: groups missiles and dronosault ships have failed to inflict serious damage.

1554
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: These were two anti ship missiles that were launched from

1555
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: Yemen at nine to thirty times according to the US military,

1556
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 2: and they said that one of the missiles actually struck

1557
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: the ship quote, causing damage and making the ship have

1558
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: a distress call.

1559
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: Don't know much about the ship actually right now.

1560
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: It said that their management office was in Lebanon to

1561
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:25,799
Speaker 2: confirm that it had attacked.

1562
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 3: We don't know what a destination or any of that.

1563
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: Was there, but it does demonstrate that this continues to

1564
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: happen and it's going to dramatically drop sea traffic. You

1565
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: know in the sus Canal Crystal you found this as well.

1566
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 2: If please put this up there on the screen and

1567
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: it shows us how a significant hit Egypt has taken

1568
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 2: in just four hundred and twenty eight million dollars last month,

1569
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: which is nearly half of the eight four million dollars

1570
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: they took in the same period in twenty twenty three,

1571
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: causing major fiscal problems, but also just indicative of how bad,

1572
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: how bad the situation is right now for the SEUs

1573
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: Canal and for global shipping for the lost that the

1574
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: Europeans and US are all absorbing on behalf of this war.

1575
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously, like the US strategy here of hitting

1576
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: Hoo they targets and being more aggressive in the region

1577
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: has failed, and never had. Even the people who instituted

1578
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: this policy knew it was not going to work. They

1579
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: knew from the beginning it was not going to work,

1580
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: as Joe Biden himself admitted in his infamous comments are

1581
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: they working?

1582
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 8: No?

1583
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 5: Are they going to continue?

1584
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: Yes.

1585
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: The other thing that is noteworthy here, so number one

1586
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: noteworthy is in spite of our attacks unhoafy capabilities, they

1587
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: just launched their most damaging attack yet. So that's number one.

1588
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: Like again, more proof not working. Number two a new

1589
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: hoothy capability apparently just dropped. One of the things that

1590
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: we struck in our most recent bombing efforts was an

1591
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: underwater drone, so basically like an autonomous submarine. That's something

1592
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: that I don't think we were aware that the Houthis

1593
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: had access to our capabilities with that ULPS. The ante

1594
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: once again, and you know, as I always do when

1595
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: we do these segments about the wider issue here, like

1596
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 1: the one answer to all of these issues to ratchet

1597
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: down the tensions and make sure we don't go any

1598
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 1: further in the direction of escalation.

1599
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 5: Is the ceasefire. That is the core of the problem.

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Speaker 1: That is what is calling all of these attacks on

1601
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: our own service members, on shipping lanes, the tip for

1602
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: tat with Husblah, all of these things are because of

1603
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 1: what Israel is doing in Gaza, and until that ends,

1604
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: we can expect to be an incredibly, incredibly risky, fraud

1605
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: dangerous environment.

1606
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Crystal.

1607
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 2: It's pretty scary as we look at all of it,

1608
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: especially with what's happening with the who these the Israeli economy.

1609
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, all of this is it's a very precarious

1610
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 2: global situation and you never know where it's going to

1611
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: pop off. No nobody could have predicted it with the

1612
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: Red Sea also, you know with the Red Sea, you

1613
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: just think one wrong ship.

1614
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 3: And the whole world is going to war. You have

1615
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 3: no idea.

1616
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: You get one missile comes from i Ron, hits a

1617
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: US flag carrier, hits a US ship, and a couple

1618
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: of sailors die. You know, we saw large a preview

1619
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: in the Jordan attack.

1620
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 3: We have no idea.

1621
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 2: If you imagine if they sank a US ship, it

1622
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 2: would be insane and it would do I mean, that's

1623
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: it full blown. It's like fireworks are completely off. And

1624
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: that's not a situation that any of us want to

1625
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: be in Crystal. What are you taking a look at?

1626
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: It's a big week for Israel. At the International Court

1627
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: of Justice. On Friday, Israel faces a deadline for demonstrating

1628
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: that they have adhered to the Court's demand that they

1629
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,879
Speaker 2: cease all genocidal activities as they blockade, threaten an invasion

1630
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: of Rafa, and stand by as more than a dozen

1631
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: ministers attendant ethnic cleansing conference. I think it's fair to

1632
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 2: say Israel has not only failed to meet its obligations,

1633
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: but has in fact doubled down on the cruelty and

1634
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: incitement that led the Court to rule they are plausibly

1635
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 2: committing genocide.

1636
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: More on that one though later this week. But yesterday

1637
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: another case began oral arguments in front of the ICJ

1638
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: an attempt to obtain an advisory opinion that Israel's occupation

1639
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: of Palestine is in breach of international law and is

1640
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: therefore illegal. Of course, the illegality of Israel's occupation in

1641
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: settlement policy is kind of hardly disputed at this point.

1642
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: That's why Israel and her defenders are mostly arguing against

1643
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: this court action on technical legal grounds rather than on

1644
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: the merits. Israel has opted not to participate in the

1645
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: oral arguments at all, submitting only a written brief and

1646
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: denying the court's legitimacy on the question. Following Monday's hearings,

1647
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign Ministry released a statement saying,

1648
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 1: in part that the Palestinian authority was quote trying to

1649
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: turn a conflict that should be resolved through direct negotiations

1650
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: and without external impositions into a one sided and improper

1651
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: legal process. They further called on Palestinians to settle the

1652
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: dispute through direct negotiations with Israel, rather than through an

1653
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: appeal to international law. Of course, this statement is rather

1654
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: nonsensical given that Nan Yahoo and his government have repeatedly

1655
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,919
Speaker 1: made clear they have no interest in a negotiated settlement

1656
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: that would grant Palestinians their basic rights to self determination.

1657
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: So over the course of three hours on Monday, the

1658
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: Palestinian team made the case that Israel's imposed on Palestinians

1659
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: the horrifying choice of quote ethnic cleansing, apartheid or genocide. Furthermore,

1660
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: Palestine argued that the Israeli occupation violated a core tenant

1661
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: of the law surrounding military occupation that it be temporary.

1662
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: In reality, the Israelis have made quite clear to their

1663
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: own people, to the Palestinians, and to the world that

1664
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: they fully intend to permanently exercise full control of the

1665
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: entire area from the river to the sea. Palestinian Foreign

1666
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: Minister opened by using a series of maps to demonstrate

1667
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: this Israeli commitment to total permanent occupation and apartheid.

1668
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 7: Allow me now to show you five maps. The first

1669
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 7: one is historic Palistine. This is the territory over which

1670
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 7: the Parician people should have been able to exercise their

1671
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 7: right to self determination. Instead, the General Assembly recommended the

1672
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 7: partition of Palistine, ignoring the will of our people, as

1673
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 7: shown in the second map, with an akaba that ensued.

1674
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 7: Over two thirds of our people were systematically unforcibly expelled

1675
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 7: by Israel, and three fourth of Palistine became Israel, as

1676
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 7: shown in the third map. This was the start of

1677
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 7: the Napapa, the disposition, the displacement and replacement of our people,

1678
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 7: the denial of rights and discrimination that continues to this

1679
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 7: very day. In nineteen sixty seven, Israel then occupied the

1680
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 7: remainder of Palistine and from the first day of its

1681
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 7: occupation started colonizing and annexing the land with the aim

1682
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 7: of making its occupation irreversible. It left us with the

1683
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 7: collection of disconnected pantustance preventing the independence of our state.

1684
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 7: As shown in Map four, Israel wanted the geography of

1685
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 7: Palistine of not its demography, so it's kept pushing our

1686
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 7: people out out of their homes, out of their land.

1687
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 7: Here is a fifth map. It was displayed by Israel's

1688
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 7: Prime Minister to the General Assembly last September. He called

1689
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 7: this the new Middle East. This is now the There

1690
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 7: is no Palistine at all on this map. On Israel

1691
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 7: comprised of all the land from the Jordan River to

1692
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 7: the Mediterranean Sea. This shows you what the prolonged continuous

1693
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,959
Speaker 7: Israeli occupation of Palistine is intended to accomplish. The complete

1694
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 7: disappearance of Palistine and the destruction of the Plastinia people.

1695
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: Netanyahu's infamous River to the Sea map displayed there is

1696
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: of course, backed up by official government policy across successive

1697
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: Israeli administrations. Every single year since nineteen seventy six, the

1698
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: number of illegal Israeli settlers.

1699
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 5: In the West Bank has increased.

1700
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: This project has been further accelerated by the current terrorists

1701
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: running the Israeli government. The number now stands at roughly

1702
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand settlers, all of whom have been promised

1703
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: by the Israeli government they can stay in these legal

1704
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: settlements forever, annexing Palestinian land.

1705
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 5: What's more, twenty twenty.

1706
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: Three was the deadliest year for settler violence in history,

1707
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: prompting even the Biden administration to take some actions to

1708
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: try to check the rampaging settlers, who face no accountability

1709
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 1: from their own government, which both tacitly and explicitly backs

1710
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,799
Speaker 1: this entire project. In fact, part of why October seventh

1711
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: was so deadly in the Israeli military response so poor

1712
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: was because IDF soldiers had been moved from near Gaza

1713
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: in order to better aid and a bet these violent

1714
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: Israeli settlers. The current hearing also comes at a critical time,

1715
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: as eleven Cabinet ministers and fifteen coalition members of the

1716
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: Kanesset have made plain their desire to wholly annex the

1717
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: Gaza Strip and ethnically cleanse the remaining Palestinians living there

1718
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: at a conference that was dedicated to this explicit aim.

1719
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: One point three million Palestinians have already been pushed up

1720
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: against the border with Egypt as Israel bombs them and

1721
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: threatens a ground invasion, So the plans that are being

1722
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,919
Speaker 1: made by these government ministers at the ethnic cleansing conference

1723
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: are hardly an idle threat. In fact, just as in

1724
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: the ICJ hearing on genocide, the statements explicit statements of

1725
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,799
Speaker 1: numerous Israeli politicians featured prominently in the Palestinian presentation.

1726
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 4: As Israel's Cabinet secretary wrote in June of last year, quote,

1727
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 4: Judea and Samaria were not seized from a sovereign state

1728
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 4: recognized by international law, and the State of Israel has

1729
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 4: a right to impose its sovereignty over these areas as

1730
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 4: they comprise the cradle of history of the Jewish people

1731
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 4: and are an inseparable part of the land of Israel.

1732
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 3: As purported legal authority, the.

1733
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 4: Cabinet secretary invoked the first Book of Maccabee's written in

1734
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 4: the year one hundred BC fifteen, verse thirty three. It

1735
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Speaker 4: is not a foreign land. We have taken, nor have

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01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,919
Speaker 4: we seized the property of foreigners, but only our ancestral heritage,

1737
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: which for a time had been unjustly occupied by our enemies.

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Speaker 4: This was followed in August of last year by a

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01:22:54,200 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 4: message broadcast on Israel Army Radio by Israel's Heritage Minister, sovereignty.

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01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 4: Sovereignty must be extended within the borders of the West

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 4: Bank and the most prudent way to create international recognition

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01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 4: that this place is ours. There is no green line.

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 4: It is a fictitious line that creates a distorted reality

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01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 4: and must be erased. In September twenty twenty three, Israel's

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01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,520
Speaker 4: Prime Minister literally erased the green line in its presentation

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01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,919
Speaker 4: to the United Nations General Assembly. As you saw earlier,

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01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 4: he depicted the state of Israel as extending from the

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Speaker 4: Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, eliminating not only the

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Speaker 4: green line but all traces of Palestine. This was no oversight.

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Speaker 4: It was an act of the head of government with

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Speaker 4: all the attribution that it implies. The same message was

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01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 4: delivered by Israel's Finance minister in Paris six months earlier,

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01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 4: when he denied the existence of Palestine and declared that

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01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 4: Palestinians do not constitute people. Previously, he said, quote, we

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01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 4: are here to stay. We will make it clear that

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01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 4: our national ambition for a Jewish state from the river

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01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 4: to the sea is an accomplished fact, a fact not

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Speaker 4: open to discussion or negotiation. This has been Israel's consistent position.

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Speaker 4: Here is the map of Israel, produced by its armed

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Speaker 4: forces and published by the government in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: One state Israel from the river to the sea. There

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01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 4: is no green line. There is no Palestine. Instead, Palestine

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01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 4: has been replaced by Judea and Samaria, which, according to

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Speaker 4: Israel's highest officials, are now integral parts of the.

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Speaker 2: State of Israel.

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Speaker 4: As these official statements and maps demonstrate, Israel makes no

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Speaker 4: secret of its intention to retain permanently the entire area

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Speaker 4: east of the green line.

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Speaker 1: Whole lot of people on there who rightly gafad at

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Speaker 1: Putin's attempt to justify the illegal invasion of Ukraine by

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01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: a one thousand year historical exegesis well nonetheless takes seriously

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 1: claims about quote unquote Judaea and Samaria based on religious

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01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: texts written in one hundred BC. Now these hearings are

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01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: set to continue all week and we'll see a record

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01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: fifty two countries assert claims and counterclaims. The US is

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01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: once again more or less on an island alongside the

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01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: literal island of Fiji when it comes to Israel. Of

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01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: the thirty five states in international organizations which submitted written

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01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: statements with regard to this case, only the US and

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01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: Fiji backed Israel. After this week's hearings, the Court will

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Speaker 1: take some time weeks if not months, to deliberate before

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01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: rendering a decision. Should be noted that if they do

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01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: rule against Israel, would not be the first time. Back

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01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, they found that Israel's West

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01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: Bank barrier wall was illegal and should be dismantled. Not

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01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: only did Israel ignore the ruling, but has since expanded

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01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 1: that wall. So what difference would this ruling make since

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01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: Israel will certainly ignore the court once again with the

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01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: full backing of the United States of America. Once senior

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: Palestinian official explained that quote, politically, this will help in

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01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 1: achieving a two state solution. We are using the platform

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01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: of the largest judicial body to advance our cause. In

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01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,799
Speaker 1: the hearing, Palestine's legal representative explain the importance of the ruling.

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Speaker 5: Thusly, silence is not an option.

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01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:21,520
Speaker 4: As the immortal Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish wrote, in silence,

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01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: we become accomplices. But he assured us when we speak,

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01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 4: every word has the power to change the world. Mister President,

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01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 4: members of the Court, your words have such power. By

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01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 4: upholding international law, which is all the State of Palestine

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Speaker 4: has to you to do, your powerful words will change

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 1: The hearings are a timely reminder that history did not

1803
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: begin on October seventh, and it will not end after

1804
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: the current annihilation of Gaza is complete. This is inconvenient,

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: to say the least for those who attempt to defend

1806
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: Israel's indefensible actions by pretending that nothing happened before the

1807
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: atrocities of October seventh and that those atrocities justify everything

1808
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: up to and including a genocide.

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01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,440
Speaker 5: The Palestinians who were murdered.

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01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: By IDF backed settlers prior to October seventh destroy the

1811
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: myth that there was peace prior to October seventh, and

1812
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: only Hamas destroyed that peace. In addition, the hearings put

1813
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: the US in an awkward position, since we theoretically accept

1814
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: the international consensus that these settlements are in fact illegal,

1815
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: but nonetheless consistently provide the diplomatic umbrella under which Israel

1816
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: continues its policy and the weapons.

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01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 5: It uses to enforce it.

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01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: It also is possible that, at this moment of increasing

1819
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: Israeli isolation from the world and the waning influence of

1820
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: the United States, these ICJ rulings could hit a little

1821
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: bit different. Even as they attempt to appear big and

1822
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: bad with their devastation of Gaza, the realities that Israel

1823
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: has never been more precarious on the world stage.

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01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 5: Remember, as we just.

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01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: Covered, the Israeli economy just shrank by twenty percent on

1826
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: an annual basis. They were just hit with a credit

1827
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: downgrade and negative outlook by Moody's. A reported half a

1828
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,759
Speaker 1: million Israelis have left the country already, a devastating blow

1829
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: for the demographics obsessed nation. Even the US in Britain

1830
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: are considering unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state. And while

1831
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: the US political class largely uniformly backs Israel in all things,

1832
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: they have lost massive ground among the actual American people.

1833
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: A majority of Democrats now except that Israel is in

1834
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: fact committing genocide. Another thirty percent are not sure global

1835
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: public opinion has been fully galvanized behind the Palestinian cause.

1836
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Even the fully self interested MBS of Saudi Arabia has

1837
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: felt compelled to make clear there will be no normalization

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01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: of relations with Israel without a Palestinian state.

1839
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 5: So while the ICJ may not.

1840
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Have the enforcement power to actually end Israel's illegal actions,

1841
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: their judgment could still have some teeth. And for the US,

1842
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: as we steadily undermine the very international institutions and rules

1843
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: base order that we endeavor to establish post World War Two,

1844
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,560
Speaker 1: our global influence and power continues to wane falls to

1845
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: the rest of the world to pick up the mantle.

1846
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Looking into Lula and South Africa. Soccer, what did you make.

1847
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

1849
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 5: All right, soccer, what you're looking at?

1850
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: Well, if there's one thing that really grinds my gears,

1851
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: it is bad use of history, from constant invoking of

1852
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 2: Hitler for anything we don't like or foreign policy move

1853
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: that we want to smear as appeasement, to the invocation

1854
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 2: of Jim Crow when talking about a local racially inflammatory incident.

1855
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: The reason it makes me upset is it erases.

1856
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: The magnitude of genuinely horrible things that happened in history.

1857
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: It insults their memory by drawing a false comparison. This

1858
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 2: latest incident that inspired this monologue is especially egregious. The

1859
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 2: so called best social science experts in the world have

1860
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: decided that our current president, Joseph robin At Biden Junior,

1861
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: is the fourteenth best president in American history.

1862
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 3: This assessed puts Biden.

1863
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 2: Before American president's Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan, hero of the Republic,

1864
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Ulysses S.

1865
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 3: Grant.

1866
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: Now I have major differences with Woodrow Wilson, with Ronald Reagan,

1867
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: even Grant, who was one of my personal heroes. I

1868
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: will admit he did not cover himself in glory at

1869
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 2: all times in the White House. But to say that

1870
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Biden is in any way a better president than these

1871
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 2: world historical figures is literal blasphemy. More so, if you

1872
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: read these idiot experts justification, it is some of the

1873
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: dumbest historical analysis that I have ever seen. They write, quote,

1874
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 2: Biden's most important achievement may be that he rescued the

1875
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 2: presidency from Trump, he resumed a more traditional style of

1876
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 2: leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out

1877
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: of his predecessor's hands this fall. In other words, he

1878
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: is in the top third of America's presidents because he

1879
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 2: beat Trump. So not anything that he did, but because

1880
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 2: he beat Trump and is not.

1881
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 3: Running against him. That's how low.

1882
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: The bar is for these professional historians to try and

1883
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: find some other so called accomplishments for Biden. This is

1884
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: what the New York Times says, quote, he has claims

1885
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 2: to history legacy by managing the end of the COVID pandemic,

1886
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 2: rebuilding the nation's roads, bridges and other infrastructure, and leading

1887
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: an international coalition against Russian aggression. Yeah, because his response

1888
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 2: to COVID was such a success. Failed Russia policy that too.

1889
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 2: As for infrastructure, time will tell, But I think it

1890
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 2: is nothing compared to let's say, the Eisenhower bills of

1891
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: the past, which actually do deserve historical mention. On Trump too,

1892
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: the assessment is crazy. The historians say that Trump is

1893
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 2: the worst president in American history by far, according to them.

1894
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 2: These people say the presidents Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, and

1895
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Andrew Johnson were actually better than Trump. Keep in mind,

1896
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 2: Pierce and Buchanan, at least in my estimation, should have

1897
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 2: been plausibly shot for treason in their aid to the

1898
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 2: South before the Civil War, and that Johnson single handedly

1899
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: destroyed reconstruction and likely is the reason that Jim Crow

1900
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: lasted until the nineteen sixties.

1901
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 3: Sorry, mean, tweets in.

1902
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 2: January sixth are not even in the same universe as

1903
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: any of that. And if you believe that you're an idiot,

1904
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 2: that's putting it kindly. I mean, even pegging Trump against

1905
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 2: the insanity of the Civil War period is a dumb exercise.

1906
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: If you want to ask me who the single worst

1907
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: president of the modern era is, it's not a difficult answer.

1908
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 2: It's not Biden or Trump. His name was George W.

1909
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,520
Speaker 3: Bush. He took this country to war under false pretenses.

1910
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 2: He's responsible for millions of debts in the Middle East,

1911
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of wounded or dead American servicemen, squandered

1912
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: seven trillion dollars abroad, and blew the financial crisis. Yet

1913
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: these historians go right past this. They actually ranked George W.

1914
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 2: Bush nineteenth ahead of presidents who we can barely name,

1915
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: which is something that I wish was true of that man.

1916
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 2: The Biden and Trump ranking show how completely bankruptcy establishment

1917
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 2: mind is when it comes to assessing Trump. Biden is

1918
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 2: good for beating him and for running against him. Nothing

1919
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 2: on Israel, Russia, COVID, the economy is considered at all

1920
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: things that affect billions of people, not to mention the

1921
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: actual daily lives of the people that Biden is supposed

1922
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: to serve. Trump too, the worst president in American history

1923
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 2: for being main and for January sixth. Really, what are

1924
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 2: these historians doing. They are erasing the stakes of real history,

1925
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 2: and they are lowering the bar of our expectations of greatness.

1926
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln was one of our great presidents because he

1927
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,839
Speaker 2: rose to the occasion. He used astounding brilliance and wisdom

1928
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 2: navigating a task that would likely have ended in total

1929
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: disaster if he was not there. Franklin Roosevelt, too, willed

1930
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 2: this country out of the Great Depression and expertly guided

1931
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 2: us through the Second World War. They were titanic men

1932
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 2: who would have, honestly, we would have been screwed without,

1933
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 2: just as we were screwed when we had the wrong.

1934
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,759
Speaker 2: Men like Buchanan and Pearce and Johnson. All were proven

1935
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 2: either great or awful because of their actions, not just

1936
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 2: for simply existing or for saying the wrong thing. None

1937
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 2: of this, of course, will stop the Biden team from

1938
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 2: crowing about this ranking. Already, his favorite TV show, Morning

1939
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 2: Joe favorably covered the ranking, and if that's what helps

1940
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 2: him get through his day when he's lucid, then I

1941
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 2: guess it's cool. But in Americans themselves, we'll get the

1942
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,600
Speaker 2: verdict to them in November, but they don't seem to

1943
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 2: all agree with these professional historians.

1944
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,799
Speaker 3: I mean, Crystal, come on, I mean, we're gonna.

1945
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: Put Georgian and if you want to hear my reaction

1946
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,440
Speaker 1: to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints

1947
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: dot com.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for watching shing. We really

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Speaker 3: appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: If Counterpoints will have a great show for everyone tomorrow

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Speaker 2: because Chrystal will be honest, will be extra great. Brian's

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Speaker 2: at a fish concert.

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Speaker 3: Doing whatever that is. He's in Mexico at a fish

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Speaker 3: con him.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, all right, I mean that's interesting

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Speaker 2: when people choose to do with their free time.

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Speaker 3: All right, We'll see you guys later