1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: I also want to take away a narrative that amy 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: can't be social or you become antisocial doing this. When 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I started streaming, or before I started streaming, I was 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: so antisocial, man, I couldn't talk in front of people. 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: I was terrible with it. I started streaming and Guy 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: used to talking in front of a camera, and I 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: found myself being much more confident talking in real life. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: This is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick bon Accort from 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: the Reformed Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Garrett Swanson, 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: content creator, gamer and former Division three college baseball player 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: at Kalamazoo College. Garrett and I discuss how we formed 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: a career as a content creator, the misconceptions of gaming, 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: and how he navigates the unpredictability of social media. I 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: got another phenomenal guest. Dude played at the D three level, 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: So he's my D three family, guys of stud in 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: the record books at Kalamazoo College, on the bump shoving 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: for years. Content creator e sports game. I don't even 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: know what the hell you call, but he's an absolute dude, 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: Garrett Swanson aka Graceful Swant, thanks so much for hopping on. Man. Hey, 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. How are we doing. I'm doing good. 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I'm really pumped to have you, as 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: I said, and where I want to start with you 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: as you obviously are an athlete, played at the collegiate level. 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: You know you're in the competitive content creation world right now. 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: What was it like for you growing up? Was it? 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: Was it sports? Was it video games? Was it both? Like? 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: What was your journey through the youth sports culture? Like? Well, um, 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I played I guess games for you know, like pretty 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: much most kids do. When I was young. I was 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: super casual though, but everything was about baseball for me 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: back then. And then also we can get into that 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: a little later down the line, but I was also 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: big into like the bands and orchestra is back in 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: high school too, But um, yeah, everything was baseball for me. 37 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: I started, uh, started playing. I started pitching a little 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: later than most typically do. I was a leaden, so 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: I was like getting into the higher levels literally before 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: I even started pitching. But I was a catcher before that, 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: and I decided I wanted to pitch, and a lot 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: of days we're spending. I had a little like all 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: purpose field across the street with a backstop, and I 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: would just take a bucket of balls out there and 45 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: I would throw against the backstop until the thing broke, 46 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: basically a couple of years down the line. So it 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: wasn't you just said you were involved in music and stuff. 48 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: So was it was it just baseball? Did you do 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: other sports or was it just like you were well 50 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: rounded and well versed in all different types of activities. 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: I was lucky to have parents I wanted to, you know, 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: give me exposure at anything. Basically, So I played a 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: lot of sports in the beginning, but I specialized in baseball, 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: I would say pretty early. I've always loved basketball. But 55 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: you know, they say pitchers are athletes, of course, but 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't athletic enough to play a sport 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: like basketball. So I love it, I couldn't play it. 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, when it came 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: to athletic, you kind of locked in at an earlier rage, 60 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, in baseball. But you also you said you 61 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: mentioned so you were involved in music as well. Yeah, 62 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: so I played a piano for five years up until 63 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: about sixth grade, and then I would went into a 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: percussion so drummer, uh, you know, keyboards and all that 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: type stuff. So I'm forty three years old. How old 66 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: you twenty five? So you and I, you know, we 67 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: came up certainly in different errors like you were coming up. 68 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: I would imagine the travel ball circuit was pumping, uh, 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, perfect game and all these pbr all these 70 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: different types of Were you in the travel circuit, you know, 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: trying to get ranked. Was it like running around the 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: country all over the place. Not as much. I did 73 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: a little like local travel team. So we would take 74 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: like one big trip from Indiana to Michigan, for example. 75 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: So like a lot of kids you know, would go 76 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: to Coopertown in Little League. I never got the opportunity 77 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: to do that or anything like that. It was mostly, um, 78 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: just small travel teams. And uh I wasn't like, I guess, 79 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: talented in the way to talented enough I should say 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: to get like ranked or anything like that. In fact, 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get we'll get to high school, I'm sure. 82 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: But I was cut completely from the high school program 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: by junior year. How so, hold on a second. You 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: were cut from your high school team, but yet you 85 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: were the all time appearance you know, record holder at Kalamazoo. 86 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: How did you? I got to hear the store? How 87 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: the hell's that happening? So I played, I never threw part. 88 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: I think the fastest pitch I threw in my life 89 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: was eighty four miles an hour. So back in high school, 90 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm throwing you know, load of mid seventies and I 91 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: played freshman ball, did pretty well there JV sophomore year, 92 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: and then I didn't make varsity. But my high school 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: program didn't allow juniors on JV. So I got caught 94 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: and said see you next year. So hold on, I'm 95 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: not laughing. I'm laughing because the way you're saying that, 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: it's funny. You're a junior, you get caught, Like, how 97 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: do you? How do you deal with that? Like? That 98 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: had to be U a shot to the ego. D 99 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: I've never been one to have like a giant ego 100 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: or anything. But it sucked. Man. That was tough. But 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: I've always been one that I've always, I guess, been 102 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: a grinder. My dad always used to tell me. The 103 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: saying in our family is we're not extremely talented at anything, 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: but we're slightly above mediocre at most things. So I 105 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: was never like a talent based individual, So I was 106 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: always working hard. So it just kind of, I guess, 107 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: motivated me and go a little better. I love see. 108 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: But that's that. You know, we talk about that a lot. 109 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: It's using your strengths, right. I mean nowadays, when you 110 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: go on you know, anywhere on social media, turning on 111 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: a Major League Baseball game, the average velocities like ninety five. Right, 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: It's very common now to see a hundred on the 113 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: radar guns and that's incredible. But it's like here you are. 114 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: You got cut from your your high school team. You 115 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: never threw hard at an eighty four, yet you set 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: the parents record how much? And you've been there. I've 117 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: been there. You get to college. Everyone was a good player, 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: you know at the high school level, some were better 119 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: than others. But even at the D three, D two, 120 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: D one doesn't matter. It's like you're still surrounded by 121 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: guys that know how to compete. What was the separator 122 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: for you? Did you have a chip on your shoulder, 123 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: like always feel like you had to prove yourself and 124 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: that did that kind of drive you? Basically I found 125 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: out my sophomore year. Actually I thought I was like 126 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: a full one recruit with a guaranteed roster spot. But 127 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: I misunderstood. I found a sophomore year that there was 128 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: one day in the fall that actually got me on 129 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: the team in college, and then worked up from there. 130 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: I actually had a pretty, you know, decent freshman season, 131 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: got to pitch a lot, and it was just because 132 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: I showed something one day in the fall, and then 133 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: over the winter we kind of refined it and I 134 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: ended up becoming a synker baller out of the bullpen. 135 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. And then here we are. You 136 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: know how you and I connected. I came across your 137 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: content on Twitter and of course saw it your bio 138 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: and was like, man, you know the baseball background. Where 139 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: did video games come into? Play? Man? And part of 140 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: my language if I don't know how to speak it 141 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: that well, I mean, I'm not, you know, a gamer. 142 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: So when did that come in? When didn't that become 143 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: like the main thing for you? The main thing? It? Probably? 144 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: So I did. I got into the Perfect Game League 145 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: right after my sophomore year, I want to say, And 146 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: so I did summer ball out there for a summer. 147 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: I get back my school started. It was on a 148 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: trimester system, and it started like mid September, so way 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: after all my friends would go back. My summer job 150 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: that I had didn't have hours for me. So I 151 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: started playing a lot of MLB the show. Because there 152 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: was literally nothing I could do. I started to go 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: to the gym, so I would play MLB for you know, 154 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: six to eight hours a day, and that kind of 155 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: got me going on, like the you know, the grinding, 156 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: the long hours. I guess before that was just super casual. 157 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: So was it like, you know, as a parent of 158 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: six and I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate. If I 159 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: came home and my kids were playing video games for six, seven, 160 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: eight hours, you know, if they were living here, I'd 161 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: be like, dude, what are you doing? So there's a 162 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of misconceptions. Can you talk about that, you say, 163 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: grinding out? What is that like? Well, to start, you know, 164 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: my mom was homost off and my dad was usually 165 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: he's a trucker, so he was out on the road, right, 166 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, she she knows me and knows that, Like, 167 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: I had a summer job, and it was actually the 168 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: same place that she was working at the time. They 169 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: just didn't have hours for me, so she didn knew 170 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: there was nothing I could really do. I was getting 171 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: all my stuff done, but you know, there's no other 172 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: options At that point. I wasn't streaming, I wasn't trying to, 173 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, make anything out of it. I was just playing. Honestly, 174 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: for me, it wasn't even that fun and got born 175 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: after a while. Then I discovered, though, I could play 176 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: and watch something while I was playing on like my 177 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: laptop next to me, And then I discovered content commute 178 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: creators right, So watched another guy play on will Be 179 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: the Show, and that's what made me discover Twitch and YouTube. YouTube. 180 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Everyone knows about his gaming videos and all that if 181 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: you're a gamer, but the live streaming aspect it was 182 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: completely unfamiliar to me at the time. So I actually 183 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: gotten into Twitch a little later than a lot of 184 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: people you would meet would. A lot of parents may 185 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: hear this, you know, their kid comes home one day. 186 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: So somebit I want to be you know, I want 187 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: to I want to stream live playing Fortnite, whatever the 188 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: hell it is, you know, whatever, MLB the show, and 189 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: I want to go on Twitch, and I want to 190 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: pursue this. I mean, I've seen. It's like you can 191 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: get a college scholarship, you know what I mean playing 192 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: esports right game? So I wasn't even around when I 193 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, and that's not that long ago, right, 194 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really when you're twenty five years old. 195 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: You said, So, what's the culture like? Is there anything 196 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: that your youth sport experience like? Is it similar now 197 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: in the gaming world? Is competitive like? Or is there 198 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: a chase like? What's it like in the gaming community? 199 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: His parents want to know how to navigate this. Well, 200 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: I will say, um, you know down the line when 201 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: when I'm a kid and they say they want to 202 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: do this right, You got to make sure you're getting 203 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: your stuff done, your priorities are straight right. And then 204 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: like I grew this while having a full time job 205 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: after college. My blue blow up happened when I had 206 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: a full time job. So I'm working my full time job. 207 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: I was living in northwest Indiana of the time, commuting 208 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: to Chicago every day, so I had about three hours 209 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: total of commuting every day. So I worked my full 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: time job, have the commutes and all that, come home 211 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: and then do my work on this snide. It was 212 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: a side us that turned into something. Now, I don't 213 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: know the I guess the pro gaming as well. I 214 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: watch a lot, but I'm not a pro gamer. I 215 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: don't have like the I guess the talent like that, 216 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: because some of these guys that you know are actually 217 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: in the esports level of things that there you think 218 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: of like prodigies in baseball, for example, or any sport. 219 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: It's the same way in video games. There's some of 220 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: these people that are just way more talented than the others, 221 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: and you know, they usually make themselves stand out eventually 222 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: in tournaments and stuff, and you can kind of see 223 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: where they're going with that. So you're on their streaming 224 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: a content creation, Like, how do you monetize that? Right? 225 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: I mean is it all about clicks? Like? I mean, 226 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: clearly you have to be engaging, and if I'm not mistaken, 227 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: you have north of a half a million followers across 228 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: all social media platforms. Right, yeah, So how did you 229 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: you know? Where was your jumping off point and where 230 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: did that like start to take off? You're like, wait, 231 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: I could probably make a living doing this. So I 232 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: started doing all this content creation. I started just as 233 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: a streamer. I was still in college. It was just 234 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: kind of like a side hobby thing on Twitch, and 235 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: i'd started that about four and a half years ago. Now, 236 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: I didn't really get going and have anything cash flower 237 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: until I was on all the platforms. There's something that 238 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: you probably don't know about twitches. There's no algorithm with it. 239 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: There's no way to get discovered outside of just you know, 240 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: people finding your animally and clicking on you unless you're 241 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: on the YouTube, the TikTok's, the instagrams and have algorithms 242 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: that can you know, catch you to pop off a 243 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: little bit. So my pop off started when I was 244 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: one of the first people creating m wib the show 245 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: content on TikTok. So that was probably about two and 246 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: a half years ago now, and that's when you just 247 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: saw it. Was it just a big jump in an 248 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: engagement or following. Yeah. So that was around the time 249 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: of COVID and my job got changed the work from home, 250 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: so I got an extra three hours a day safe 251 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: from the commute, and I was able to start editing 252 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: some of my content and putting it out there on TikTok. 253 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: For example. More people would find me on TikTok, they 254 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: liked my content, started to follow me there and they 255 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: found out I streamed, and then they would come over 256 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: to my stream, and then that started growing everything including 257 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: my YouTube, and then everything kind of just started growing together. 258 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: When we come back, Garrett and I discussed the importance 259 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: of time management and work ethic. Welcome back where we 260 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: left off, Garrett and I were about to talk about 261 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: how he applies lessons learned from playing sports at a 262 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: young age to his current career. So it's funny, it 263 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: was like one of those things where it just, you know, 264 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: the right time, right place. But you know, I always 265 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: like to try to think about like the correlation and 266 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: just listening to your background, you know, having to deal 267 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: with adversity in high school, which quite frankly, you know, 268 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: I know how tough, especially you mentioned your junior year, 269 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: Like for me, that was a really challenging year emotionally, 270 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, just going through a lot of physical changes, 271 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: and you know, you know high schools high school, right, 272 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: it's tough. You know, at the at the time you 273 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: feel like it's your entire world. Well at that time, 274 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: it is your entire world. So those things meet a lot. So, 275 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, was there things that happened through your athletic 276 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: experience that have helped you kind of, you know, as 277 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: you continue to pursue this content creation in the video 278 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: gaming world. Yeah, I mean there's there's multiple factors, having 279 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: a drive, work ethics, staying busy. I mean I mentioned, 280 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, with baseball and all that during high school, 281 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: and I'm sure most of the listeners that pair involved 282 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: in sports are kids involved in sports and all that, 283 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: so you know how much time that can take. While 284 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: I was also in every single band and orchestra in 285 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: my school at the time, so I would have, you know, 286 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: in the spring or the winner, I would have the 287 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: morning baseball workouts before school at six a school and 288 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: then afterwards I would have banned in orchestras and all 289 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: of that until you know, eight to ten o'clock and 290 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: then do homework and all that. So I've always had 291 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: a habit of always being incredibly busy. So my time 292 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: management got worked pretty well in high school, even before 293 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: college happened. So time management is huge. There's so many 294 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: things I'm doing and creating content for I'm always staying busy, 295 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: and I got in that habit early in my life. 296 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: You know the fact that your parents gave you kind 297 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: of it sounds like like the freedom right, the freedom 298 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: to explore to try different things. Was having that parental 299 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: support them that gave you like the confidence to feel 300 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: like I can't explore, I can't do different things, Like 301 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: did you ever feel pressure to have to go somewhere 302 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: or do some do one thing. There was only one 303 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: time that I was like pressured to do something by 304 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: my parents and to the point where I didn't want 305 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: to do it, you know what I mean. Getting involved 306 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: in the marching band in high school. My dad was 307 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: a marching band. I wasn't really interested, and he's like, 308 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: just give it a shot for the summer. All I'm 309 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: help making you do is the summer, give it a shot, 310 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: see if you like it, because he knew I would. 311 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: I ended up really loving it and that helped get 312 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: me involved. But he was doing that to help me 313 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: get a friend group, as well as some other skills 314 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: that that taught me, like you know, the time management 315 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: as well as like you know, some some mental you know, 316 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: toughness at points too, because you know, you're out in 317 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: the sun all day similar to baseball, learning stuff and 318 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: all that. That was probably the one time that I 319 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: was like not about something and I was like they 320 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: were like you gotta get on this. You got to 321 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: try it at least every thing else though, They've been 322 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: incredibly supportive of what I want to do, and they 323 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: know I'm a hard worker and I always have been, 324 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: so as long as I'm putting my time and worth 325 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: into something, they support me regardless of what you're trying 326 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: to do. And I feel like, you know, since starting 327 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: Reform Sports Project back in you know, April of twenty nineteen, 328 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: I was just I got passionate about it, about the topic, 329 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: and when people ask me what made me start, quite frankly, 330 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: I got pissed off. You know. I was like I 331 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: had enough and I felt like there needed to be 332 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: a voice, and I just wanted to take action and 333 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of use my relationships and my experience to kind 334 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: of share that, you know, and get others to do 335 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: that as well. But that takes overcoming my own insecurity, right. 336 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: You got to put yourself out there. And social media 337 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: is great because you can reach people, you can grow 338 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: a platform, you can you know, have a voice that 339 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: can be you know, you know, levitated or magnet, whatever 340 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: the case is. But that also brings in scrutiny. It 341 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: also brings an instant rejection. It also brings in a 342 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: ton of uncertainty. So how do you navigate those emotions 343 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: of hey, one day I have twenty followers, next day 344 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I have one hundred thousand. How do you extract from 345 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: all those experiences your tuitiveness and more importantly, stay in 346 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: that grind without saying, man, I just this shit's frustrating. 347 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: I want to quit. Yeah, it's the social media world. 348 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: It's tough. Absolutely what you described, Um, A lot of 349 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: it comes from from when I from sportsmen. I mean, 350 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: like I was never the talented one. You know, Talent, 351 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: especially when you're young, is always like much higher than 352 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: the other kids, right, And then you can use hard 353 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: work to catch up the talent, and then the talented 354 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: ones that don't work hard, they'll they'll just stay where 355 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: you're at. You can catch up to those guys. So 356 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: that's basically the mindset I've always had in order to 357 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: keep competing in sports, I had to catch up to 358 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: those more talented people, whether that be you know, physically 359 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: or or mentally. Like I mean, my big thing at 360 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: Kazu when when I was pitching was I would basically 361 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: be the fireman role out of the bullpen. So like 362 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,479 Speaker 1: keeping a level head and put into a tough situation 363 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: and trying to get out of it and not getting 364 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: rattled and all that. That's always what I've you know, 365 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: exceeded with now when it comes to content, all that 366 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: you were talking earlier about, right place, right time, Right 367 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: I got an extra influx of time due to COVID 368 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: because everyone was stuck at home and isolated and all that. 369 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people, you know, just mess around. Oh 370 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: it's you know, extra time. I can watch more Netflix 371 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: and all that. I got to work because that's what 372 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: I know. I utilize as much time as possible, and 373 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: I'm always working on something. So it just every step 374 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: of my life I've had to do something like that 375 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: where I have to I just have to figure it out. 376 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: You know. If I want something, you got to figure 377 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: out how to get it. Old blue collar mentality of 378 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, outworking people. You know, I saw I saw 379 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: a video actually posted it on our feed not too 380 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: long ago with coach Sweeney, Dabo Sweeney from Clemson, and 381 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, talking about how he still believes 382 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: you can outwork people, you can outhustle people, you can 383 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: out you know, out everything people like you can force 384 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: your will and I'll prepare people everything. And I believe that, 385 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, I believe that as well. You're talking about COVID. 386 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: There was a time I was My wife would be like, dude, 387 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: you're out of your mind. And I was interviewing like 388 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: four to five people. I was just on the brink 389 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: of becoming obsessed, you know. And I hear that word 390 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times from very successful people I interview, 391 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: whether it be a coach or an athlete or a 392 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: business owner, whatever it is. They're on the brink of 393 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: an almost unhealthy obsession. But it's like that balancing act. 394 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: Can you talk about how can parents navigate? And I 395 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: know I don't know if you're a parent or not, 396 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: but let's say parents are going to be hearing this 397 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 1: and their kids are gonna have a passion, you know, 398 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: on the brink of obsession. What's a way that they 399 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: can balance, like allow our kids to the freedom to 400 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: explore this, you know, the gaming world, content creation, but 401 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: also you know, making sure that they're staying physically active, 402 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: not becoming an unhealthy obsession. Can you kind of maybe 403 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: give some advice to the folks out there with your experience. 404 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a parent, I do see myself parenting similar 405 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: to how my parents parented me, though, or I have 406 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: to be involved in something. It was the same thing 407 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: with my brother, who actually is very similar to what 408 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: you're describing right now this situation. He was always about 409 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the games, right, and my parents said you have to 410 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: be involved in something. In high school he was involved 411 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: in cross country. Middle school, who was involved in the 412 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: orchest Right, as long as you're doing something with your time, 413 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: either active or get your brain active, stay with music 414 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: for example. As long as you're in something that can 415 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: be a social activity as well as just getting you 416 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: out of the house and doing something, you get your 417 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: grades and all that. If you want to use your 418 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: extra time for gaming or whatever, feel free. As long 419 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: as you're getting your stuff done. How important is it 420 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: to make sure that you stay involved in that social atmosphere. 421 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have. I don't know, I can't speak 422 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: for you, but have come into some folks that maybe 423 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: are a little like you know that struggle in that department. 424 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any correlation to being locked 425 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: inside or just kind of hybridating playing games, But how 426 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: important is just a social aspect of just overall development 427 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, I think huge, But I also 428 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: want to I guess take away a narrative that gaming 429 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: can't be social or you become antisocial doing this. When 430 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: I started streaming, or before I started streaming, I was 431 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: so antisocial, man. I couldn't talk in front of people 432 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to came to like, you know, speeches 433 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: in school, you know English projects, all that. I was 434 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: terrible with it, man, incredibly self conscious and all that. 435 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: I started streaming and guy used to talking in front 436 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: of a camera, and I found myself being much more 437 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: confident talking in real life for these speeches and stuff 438 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: instead of like writing down speeches. I was able to 439 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: come off the dome with stuff because that's literally what 440 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: I was doing as a hobby, was coming off the 441 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: dome with everything, talking about literally whatever I wanted while 442 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: I was gaming and talking to chat. Basically, I think 443 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, you need to be involved in 444 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: some type of activity or something. But also I don't 445 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: think it's one or the other. I think gaming also 446 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: can be a social aspect in someone's ways. Man, I'm 447 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: so glad that you said that, because one of the 448 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: reasons I wanted to start this. I've been to enough 449 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: baseball fields, wrestling, you know, tournaments, and I've heard enough 450 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: knucklehead parents, and of course at times I was that 451 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: parentum where if I'm a kid and I could put 452 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: headphones on and be in a room playing video games 453 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: chilling with my boys, you know, I'd rather do that 454 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear my knucklehead father, you know, 455 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: being an idiot, you know, telling me how I got 456 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: to throw strikes when you know he's standing over there 457 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: behind the fence. So I cannot thank you, though, Just 458 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: throw a strike, play catch with your catcher like you're 459 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: trying to do the single worst thing to say to 460 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: a picture in the history of mankind. I love it, Garrett. 461 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Where can we find you? Tell the people so they 462 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: can follow you and find your content. Oh, you can 463 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: look up graceful Swan pretty much everywhere some of the 464 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: some of the platforms like Twitter, TikTok, Instagram. There's an 465 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: underscore in between graceful and swan. But if you look 466 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: up graceful Swan, you should be able to find me 467 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere. Dude, I love it. I can't thank 468 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: you enough for coming on, sharing your experience, sharing your path. Man. 469 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: I truly, truly appreciate your time. Grateful we connected. Thanks again, Bro, Yeah, 470 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: of course, man, it's a great time. That's Garrett Swanson, 471 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: popular content creator and gamer. Thanks for listening to the 472 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: Reform Sports Project podcast Dominick bonicor and Our goal is 473 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: to restore a healthy balance and perspective in all areas 474 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: of sports through education and advocacy. 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