WEBVTT - And, This Is Hunter Biden Like You've Never Heard Him Before 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.800 I'm joined today by presidential candidate Hunter Biden. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.080 I'll run, but only as your VP. I think everybody's 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.399 carrying around a bag of heroin in their pocket and 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.920 it's called an iPhone. I'm not stepping off the stage 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:13.360 for fucking anybody. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.560 This is Gavin Newsom. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:17.960 I'm Hunter Biden. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.119 I'm joined today by presidential candidate Hunter Biden. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.280 Twenty twenty eight. Come on, Hunter, what's going on? 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:29.640 No? 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.560 No, no, you got more buzz out there than that. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.680 You got the President of the United States, Donald Trump 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.640 talking about your candidacy for president. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.360 I had to give you. I had to give you 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:44.280 a break for just one day at least. Here's the deal. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.120 Here's the deal. I'll run, but only as your as 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.000 your VP, because the truth doesn't matter. Is the Vice 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.800 President's residence is a lot cooler? It lot e's your 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:54.360 job too? 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.720 Is it legitimately? Is it? 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.880 Is it a better residence that I mean you were? 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.600 You have you have unique status to be able to 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:03.240 actually it is. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:03.920 Make that case. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.600 The White House is the grandeur of the White House 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.839 is it never gets old. But the but you really 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.920 do feel like you're in a gilded cage. You know, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.000 it's so and and and the grounds of the of 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.199 the VP residents are really private and it's pretty cool. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.080 That was, in fact, the last time we saw each other. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.199 I was, I was with you your your dad brought 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.680 me upstairs and h in the residence. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.240 And to your point, that's you know, it's as grand 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.200 and extraordinary as it is. No one wants to be. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:37.520 You know. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.839 The last thing anyone wants to hear is someone saying, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.080 you know, it's not all that. But to your point, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.920 that's a little claustrophobic. I mean, everybody around not a 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.800 lot of sense of freedom or privacy. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:54.080 Uh yeah, so get used to it. I was I 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.400 was hoping when I saw you that you we would 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.720 just dig in, that you would you know, I get 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.840 you one of those secret rooms. Stay. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.040 Your dad brought me up by the way, Evan. Now 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.000 I'm talking out of school here, but he taught me. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.840 He was on a tour that I think that was 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.560 for him. He was walking into closets. He said he 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.120 hadn't been in years and years, and he was discovery. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.320 He's like, let's see what's behind this door, and there's 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.720 a bunch of clothes that were stored. He goes, I 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.280 think that put that in six years four years ago. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.880 It was what he was in one of those moods 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.079 where I think your mom had to come up to 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.120 get him because he was taking too much time with me. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:33.120 That's which was fun. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.240 Well, that's that was a common occurrence and still is. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:38.639 Yeah. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.440 So look, you've been making a lot of news lately 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.120 and and I think surprising a lot of people as well. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.400 I mean, you showed up and I appreciate you showing 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.040 up where you've been showing up. I spent three hours 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.720 with Sean Ryan myself, and there you are with Sean 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.000 Ryan forming avcl someone who was out there very critical. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.560 In fact, I remember walking to Sean Ryan set and 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.520 right up above the door it said let's go Brandon 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.600 when I got there, so I understood exactly where his 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.600 politics were. And then like lo and behold, you show 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.880 up on my feet and you're there with with with 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.600 with Ryan, and you were there with Candice Owens recently 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.960 and back on X and and and blowing up the internet. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.200 And so you know, the obvious first question, Hunter is 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:22.440 what the hell is going on? 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.600 Welcome back to uh? 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.560 You know the bright lights and UH and what was 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.919 what's what was the trigger? Man, what was the inspiration 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.440 to come back out and really tell your story? 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.840 Yeah, I am. Uh. The way that I number one is, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.480 you know, I learned a little bit and I'm I'm 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.760 I'm being serious a little bit from you. I watched 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.240 that uh, that interview that you did with Charlie Kirk, 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.800 and you know he had that line, uh when you 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.080 guys were talking about how progressive is how democrats are 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.240 afraid to go into the lines then of the he's 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.320 you know, lung and I thought, shit, I'm not, you know, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.080 because because what are you gonna say that hasn't already 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:13.440 been said? And there's an incredible freedom to the uh 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.800 to having been stripp bear in the public square and 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.320 and lashed a thousand times and still be standing. And 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.560 you know it's not by any you know, courage or 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.200 you know. Uh, you know, I didn't go to RESHI 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.800 cash for seven years and trained to be a monk. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.120 But but what I did learn is that there's an 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:43.320 enormous freedom in in owning your whole story. And and 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.960 so I felt more than anything, what I had an 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.200 opportunity to do is talk to the fifty million Americans 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.680 who are suffering on a daily basis from from addiction. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.560 And you know, it's not something that that any of 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.440 us are unfamiliar you're with, I mean, anybody. Everybody's got 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.760 a best friend, a mom and dad, brothers, sister, a 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.960 love family member that or themselves that have that have 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.919 suffered from addiction. Now, not everybody was a crack addict, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.200 but addiction is addiction and it is one of the 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:23.920 things that probably one of the singular things that that 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.000 that binds us all. So whether it was Sean Ryan 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.960 who opened up to me about his own struggle with addiction, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:36.039 and or Kendae Owens, who I thought that if I 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.479 had the opportunity to sit with her personally, that she 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:44.719 would see the humanity of it. And because you know, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.320 I don't think these people are bad people, you know, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.880 I mean they have very different political views than I have, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.600 and I think that you have. But you know what 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.440 is that we're all just trying to figure it out, man, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:05.840 you know, And I think that that's the reason in 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.640 more than anything, Like I'll tell you what I'm doing 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:15.080 now is that I joined a organization called Peak Path 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.520 Health and it's a rehab But what we're doing they 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.320 brought me on to build their foundation, and the foundation 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.520 is going to focus on aftercare, which I think is 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.400 the big missing gap in the recovery industry. Is you 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.560 get your thirty days and then you go back to 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.440 the same situation that you were in and your chances 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.799 of making it are really really slim. But these aftercare 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.120 programs and kind of long term stays not where it 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.919 is a like a confined space like a rehab in 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.640 which you can get job training and wellness. You know, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.479 a lot of the work that my sister does with 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.159 people that are coming out of prison or out of 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.400 rehab in terms of teaching them wellness techniques, everything for 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.680 meditation into just common nutrition and things like that, all 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.000 of it makes a difference, particularly in a in a 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:13.160 community of people where you know, recidivism or relapse, whatever 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.800 you want to call it, is about you know, seventy 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.800 five to eighty five percent. So yeah, so that's the 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.680 reason you know, they gave me a stage I'm going 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.080 to use it. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.680 Was there was there a trigger? I mean, was there 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.360 a conversation. Was there a moment where you said, you 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.040 know what I'm done being you know, my story being 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.920 told by everybody else because you've been sober now it's 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.960 been seven years. You just posted it's been seven years 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:42.960 June first, twenty nineteen. And so throughout the presidency, throughout 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.280 your father's presidency, were you were cleaning sober? Yet you 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.680 were again your ass kicked twenty four to seven the 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.960 cover New York Posts more than any human being in 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.520 modern history. You just, you know, these guys, just debandon 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.200 these guys ging Rich, I mean, well not well Gingrich, sure, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.600 but Julie, these guys and the weaponization of that laptop 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:03.680 or whatever, you. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.680 Know, all of that, and you were quiet. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.000 You were quiet then why you know what was the 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.240 moment where you said, I'm going to defend myself. I'm 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:12.400 gonna write my own story. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.720 Yeah, it was well, I felt like I had enough 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.880 distance from the politics of the administration. Uh you know 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.320 why now, like why right now? You know I needed 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.880 I needed that year to get my you know, to 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.520 get my feedback underneath me. The reason, you know, you 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.800 know this is that the presidency, Uh, in my choice 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.920 to be vocal or not, it wasn't it wasn't about me. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.960 I know, I'm fully aware that nobody really gives a 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.560 shit about Hunter Biden, but they gave a ship about 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.240 was power, but they gave a shit about was presidency 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.400 and they attacked the one thing that they knew my 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.000 dad loved the most. It's his family. And you know, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.760 I mean that's a a a play that is as 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.280 old as politics. But it was on a on a 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.360 on a biblical scale for me. But it really wasn't 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.600 my place. You know. I heard Tim Miller and who, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.920 by the way, who I like? And I mean I 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.079 like what he's doing, so I don't want to get 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.960 into a uh, you know it spat, you know, with 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.839 with people that are I think preaching and fighting the 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.640 good fight, and I really do. And but he he 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.600 made he said, you know, well, Hunter Biden was such 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.440 a distraction and why was he such a distraction? And 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.080 you know, you know it's you know, this is partially 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.520 his fault that we lost, because you know, he just 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.640 couldn't stay out of the you know, out of the news. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.600 And I was like, oh man, so if I could 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.280 have stayed out of the news, I sat in my 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.960 garage up in Big Rock, in in our home state 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.640 of California, and and painted for four years. I didn't 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.720 do a single piece of business or you know, I 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.640 went to Yell Law school, and I didn't use my 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.079 law degree one time in the four years that my 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.360 dad was president. And I painted, and you know, and 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.839 I did well in painting. You know, I sold some 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:16.920 paintings and all to people that everybody eventually, through subpoenas, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.000 was able to figure out. And you know, I made 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.440 about two hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. But 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.400 the fact of the matter is is that I stayed 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.320 to myself and it was never a choice to be 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.280 a distraction. So I didn't feel like it was my 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:36.000 place at that time during the administration to go on 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:41.319 Twitter and fire off a few zingers, you know what 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.600 I mean, Like, you know, it's just I have too 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.800 much respect for the office and the people that work 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:52.319 there and the just the amount of time that they 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.920 commit to doing what's best for the administration, what's best 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.880 for the country, and what was best for my dad. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.880 So I kind of out. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.560 And was that I mean, was that debated? 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.720 Did you have conversations saying, look, they've crossed the line 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.040 now for the you know, tenth time enough. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:09.440 It's not about me. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.319 It is about my dad, and I need to protect 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.200 the integrity of our name, our family and just the 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.240 bullshit that's out there. I mean, were there moments where 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.840 you said, you know, okay, now I've got to come 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.760 forward and and say something, but he held back. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.959 Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean I understandswer to 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.920 that is. Yeah. You know what one of those times 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.440 was when they were they you know, they played that 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.880 game where they wanted me to come testify before Congress, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.920 and I said, sure, I'll come, and I'll do it publicly. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.520 And I the only way that I'll do it is 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.680 if you do it in front of the cameras and 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.480 in committee, you know, and we can broadcast it live. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:55.400 And and people inside the White House were really opposed 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.480 to that, and and that was probably the one time 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.040 in which I said too bad, because at that point, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:09.560 you know, it just it so bothered me that they 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.880 were able to get away with and continue to get 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.760 away with this thing, like right now, what they're doing 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.200 with the this Epstein you know, uh investigation at the 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.240 Oversight Committee, which is no investigation. You know, they're not 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.240 even you know, they released transcripts four days later. People 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.520 come out and you know, they characterize it the way 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.800 they could characterize it, and the press has already moved 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.440 on to something else, and that's exactly what they did. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.720 But at that time, that's remember I went up to 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.480 I went up to the hill and I went over 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:44.400 to the UH to actual live committee, and I walked in. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.839 I sat and sat in the audience, and all of them, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.360 I remember, h Nancy Mace was saying, this is the 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.480 this is the epitome of privilege, you know, And I said, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.440 he won't even tell. I said, I'm right here, I'm 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.480 right I'm ready to go. And of course they didn't 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.560 take me up on it. But there were times that 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:11.400 I was very, very frustrated, but again it wasn't my call. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.760 And and UH and I'm and I'm really I'm grateful 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.880 for exactly where I am right now though, because I 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.680 don't know in that Maelstrom, whether I would have been 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.160 out there and would have been all about all defensive, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.079 you know what I mean, It would have been like, oh, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.120 well that's not true, and that's not true, and why 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:33.920 I can't admit to that, and I can't do this 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.160 and and this now like I'm not running for anything 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.720 as much as you know, the I think the the 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.480 trolls on our side are triggering a hundred derangement syndrome. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.559 I call it now HDS. It's it has replaced TDS. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.480 But I'm not running. And you know, like, so I 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.520 did a post today about you know, like it's the 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.160 idiocracy two point zero, you know, I mean like this, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.760 and and I thought it was funny by the way I. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.440 Saw it today, I was I thought it was one 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.120 of our posts, and they said, no, it's it's Hunter's post. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.800 I'm like Jesus, yeah, you know the way it got me. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.319 Thinking seriously, maybe you know, maybe on you know, Monday, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.199 the President's birthday, I may want to take a day off. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.640 Maybe you can take over my feet. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:22.360 I'm all in, I'm all in. You know, it's funny 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.040 everybody thinks that there's like this, you know, Uh, like 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.320 I got it. The d n C is working on 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.320 my behalf. I feel like saying, when is the ever 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.840 the DNC ever worked on it? And anybody's behd let 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.520 alone mind uh but the uh, it's just me with 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.560 my my my uh two little thumbs here. But it's liberating, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.080 you know, I mean, and part of it is this, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.440 you know, I think that somebody wrote an article in 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.440 the American Conservative about uh that somebody sent me about 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.080 this little run I'm having on Twitter, which you know, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.920 all all good things has come to an end. I 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.680 can't keep up this space on my own. But and 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.400 they said, you know, and it was actually pretty insightful 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.760 in many ways, and it just said, it's all about authenticity. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.960 It's like, what are you going to do to a 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.680 guy that basically claims it all? You know what I mean, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.520 that takes ownership for all of the things and fights 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.320 back when you know you are you know, when you 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.440 when you open yourself up for a punch, what are 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.480 you going to do? And that's kind of like how 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.880 Trump was back in you know, And they make the 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:36.920 connection where I don't. I think they really fail is 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:43.080 in that part is that the difference between being audacious 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:50.440 and authentic is is real. Donald Trump has the audacity 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.560 to say that he's six toot three and weighs two 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.200 hundred and twenty four pounds when we both know he's 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.520 five eleven, three hundred. You know. Donald Trump has the 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.760 audacity to say the very fine people on both sides. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.040 Donald Trump has the audacity to say that he's going 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.960 to end the war in Iraq in one day. Donald 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.600 Trump has the audacity to lie to your face, and 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.640 you know, piss on your leg and tell you that 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.320 it's training. That's not authenticity. And I think that the 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.760 American people have fundamentally confused that not and it's not 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:28.160 their fault. God, I I look. I think everybody's carrying 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.400 around a bag of heroin in their pocket. And it's 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.280 called an iPhone. Okay, it is the dopamine hit of 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.080 choice for three hundred and fifty million of us. And 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.840 what we do is that we are fed this lie 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.400 that this country's divided, that everybody hates everybody, that they're 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.760 never going to be able to get along, that you know, 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.520 if you believe this, then then you're a trader. And 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.560 this is treason. And Hunter Biden is a is a pedophile, 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.960 rapist blah blah blah, and governor knows him as you know, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.440 turning every school into a trans blah blah blah. It's 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.399 not real, man, You and I both know it. It 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:11.360 ain't real. It's literally what we're being fed by a 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:16.560 handful of oligarchs that controller technology companies. I mean, I 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.960 always give the example, do you remember this when the 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.800 whistleblower came out from Facebook and she testified in twenty 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.800 twenty two or twenty twenty twenty three, and she testified 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:32.320 that Facebook knew well, knew full well that their algorithm 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.639 was almost directly responsible for this for the exponential spike 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:43.200 in suicides among girls between the ages of thirteen and seventeen, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.280 exponential a three hundred and thirty percent, I think increase 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.840 in that, which, by the way, continues to this day. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:50.320 Yep. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.760 And you know what we did about it? Not a thing, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.520 by the way, all of us. I don't mean just Congress, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.520 I mean all of us. What did we do about it? 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.920 You know what, We still got the phone in our pocket. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.120 And by the way, I'm as guilty as that as anybody. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.879 And I just think, like, if we can get people 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.120 to realize that is that we don't hate each other, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.960 we're being told to hate each other. And so that's 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.880 why I want to go on candas owns. I want 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.679 to go talk to Tucker. I even want to go 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.800 to talk to people that I literally, I mean, my 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.679 first question in the movie was why he's such a 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.119 Nazi to Nick Quents, you know what I mean. I 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.560 want to talk I because God, you know this, and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.440 I'm talking too much, But that's my job as a 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:40.639 Biden is eighteen to thirty thirty five year olds draft 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:51.000 age generation. They're angry, man, They're really angry. And we 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.560 can sit here and say they're stupid and they don't 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.639 know what they're talking about, and they're so dumb that 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.080 they fall into the trap of like is like these 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.680 people and these people that they're online, they're not man. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.520 They just want to belong, they want to feel like 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:13.359 they have some control. And I'll tell you what, A 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.480 generation of people that lost two years of their life, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.080 the most important years of their life in COVID, and 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.840 we don't even remotely recognize the trauma of that. And 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.640 I think that that's what we're living through. And at 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:35.040 the same time, the exact wrong person came along to 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.760 the stage and literally lit the match. And that's who 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.880 we have right now. So you know, I think it's 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.040 I think what you're doing in the way that you're talking, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:49.399 I mean, it's inspiring to me. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.720 So I appreciate all that and so much to unpack 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.960 Hunter and what you were just saying. And I'm curious, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.399 you know, I just in the context, just in a 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.880 contemporary space. You know, we're were talking after the main 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.480 primary what do you think in the context of authenticity 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.679 versus the audacity frame of Platiner as a as you know, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.000 an example, I mean, you know, the Democrats struggling a 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.960 little bit to reconcile. You mentioned Nick Flentest, and obviously 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.520 the Platiner tattoo, and you know some of the prior comments. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.000 What do you what do you make of him in 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.879 the context of of all this that you're describing. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:31.840 Take him at his word that that and which by 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.320 the way, is not something he's not saying something new 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:40.000 today that he wasn't saying four months ago or five 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:45.159 months ago, which is this. He was a veteran, a 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:50.080 combat veteran, and and he came back, you know, he 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:58.240 had some real issues and with PTSD and and that 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.680 trauma and whatever way that he was working it out. 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.000 He I think has been really really open about is 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.720 that he wasn't a good person. And here's what I know. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:14.480 It takes a lot of of stamina at least I'm 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.880 not gonna say, uh, I think courage too. I'll give 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:24.159 myself that to to get back up and and and 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:29.560 build a better life. And I don't uh, I'm I'm 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.800 ninety nine point nine percent certain is that Graham Platner 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.040 is no Nazi, you know, And and I don't think 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.919 that he's a racist in any way. I hear the 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:44.320 way that he talks. I think that his relationship with 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:51.000 his wife is his relationship with his wife. The entirety 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.800 of that controversy is, you know, it's all about you know, leaked, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:22:00.960 consensual you know stuff, I mean stupid. Maybe you would 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.760 have a problem. Uh not you, I mean anyone would. 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.040 I would have a problem. But like you know, I 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.960 always say to people, like show me your phone, give 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.720 me access to your eye cloud, let me let's let's 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.119 let's let's go through it and pull everything that we 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:25.479 can that is inappropriate, that is off color. That is, 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.959 you know, uh, that selfie that you took when you're 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.199 drunk off your ass and you know you send it 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.040 to your blah blah blah, Like show me your phone. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.120 And if that's the standard by which we are going 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:42.080 to judge people, particularly people in an elected office, then 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:43.560 I don't think we're going to have many people in 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.600 elected office. And so as a relates to Grant Platter 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:52.800 I focus on this is that I have not heard 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:57.200 anything in any way that would say to me. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:06.440 That that that he is a abusive, misogynistic, or anti 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.000 Semitic or racist person. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.840 And I have heard this from grand Platner though, that 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.040 he thinks we should all have free health care. I 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.680 have heard this from grand Platner also that he thinks 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.439 that we have to radically change our politics. I have 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.480 heard this from grand Platner that working people are getting 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.960 fucking screwed. I have heard this from grand Platner that 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.200 we aren't all. That they have us at each other's 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.760 throats and we should be at their throats. I have 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.959 heard this from grand Platner that he thinks the oligarchs 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:42.200 and the tech tech are tech overlords and billionaires are 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:47.280 really really really making it the playing field unfair for 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.120 working class people. That's what I've heard from grand Plattner. 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.800 And so I hope I'm right about that, because you know, 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.679 I look at somebody and I know you probably have 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.080 a personal relationship with him, but you know, I watched 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:10.359 as Zoramndani kind of uh came up and I thought, 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.320 holy shit, like I like what I'm hearing, you know, 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.240 And then when he got elected, I thought, I hope, 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.280 I hope he can deliver, and you know what like 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:26.160 talk about delivering. I mean talk about delivering, and you're 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:28.600 thinking about things like you know, you know what I 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.719 would do, what I'm going to advise you to do 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.720 on your first day as president is this, do something 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:40.800 about rent. Rent. Do something about the algorithms that create 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:46.520 the uh uh that that create a system that is 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.440 completely unfair because of company the companies like black Rock 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.720 and and and these giant hedge funds and private equity 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:55.840 funds that have come and bought up all of the 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.040 housing and now are basically in collusion with each other 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.320 to increase rent by eight percent a year across the board, 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.720 almost nationally, without any state or governor being able to 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.439 do anything directly about it necessarily. And you know, you 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:13.639 know what people are most concerned about, real people, like 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:18.440 ninety five percent of us is rent. You know, more 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:23.000 people rent today than as compared to ownership, than any 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.480 time in history. And so if you're thirty five years old, 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.600 married and you have two kids and you rent in 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.840 a house, that eight percent that goes up the next 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.199 year because of some guy. By the way, I'm not 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:37.840 talking about small landlords. I'm talking about these private equity 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.080 companies that have come and you got to make a 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.240 choice between whether you're going to stay in your house 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.840 or whether you're going to you know, be able to 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.680 buy food, or whether you're going to be able to 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:51.080 get diapers. And you're working two jobs and your wife 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.040 is working two jobs. It's just you know, people are 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.240 just trying to make it buy Yeah, you got it anyway. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.320 No, look, I appreciate that. 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.159 And you know, without going down that rabbit hole though 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.600 as substance of it as is, I think it connects 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.560 things in more ways and more days and explains more 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.600 things to your point about the nihilism a lot of 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:15.920 young people feel, and this this sort of this belonging deficit, 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:22.840 dignity deficit where people don't feel connected, respected or protected broadly, 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:27.480 the algorithms sort of dialing up that outrage and people 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:31.400 dialing back now and giving into that despair, and many 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.600 people and going back to sort of the origin story 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:37.399 here self medicating and many people you know, struggling in 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:39.919 historic ways. And I want to go back to that 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.080 a little bit, because you know, this really is, you know, 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.440 your journey is shared by, as you suggest, towards of 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.919 fifty million people. And you know, I just wrote it, 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.800 finished a book and talked about you know, I learned 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:53.560 so much in the process of writing a book. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:55.600 You wrote a book in twenty twenty one, and I 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:56.080 imagine you. 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.560 Went through the same process of, you know, learning about 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.520 yourself and discovering things that you never knew about yourself, 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.880 your own motivations on the basis of your parents bio. 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.800 Your grandparents bio. How they were born and raised. And 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.840 my grandfather spent four years prisoner war after marching in Corrigador, 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:17.080 came back broken, alcoholic, and ultimately took his own life. 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.600 And so this notion, you know that you share that 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.440 journey that that Plattner and others. There's grace in terms 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:27.480 of empathy and understanding some humility of the journey that people, 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.639 all of us are on in different ways. But your 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.920 journey for the last seven years has been pretty remarkable. 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.160 And you talked about painting and and and I think 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.520 big part of the origin story of the painting, if 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.760 I'm not mistaken, was that was also part of your journey. 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:47.000 A catharsis your ability sort of substitute the habitual nature 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.120 of an addiction with a creative outlet and the dexterity, 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:57.399 the sort of rutinization of that art literally and figuratively 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.080 helping you with that recovery. And so the focus, I know, 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.320 Tim and others focused on, well, all the art that 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.480 you sold, and you talk about it two hundred and 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.280 twenty thousand dollars a year, hardly becoming a multimillionaire as 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:09.880 a distraction. 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.680 But for you, that was about your life. 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:19.200 Yeah it was. And you know I painted my whole 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.800 life and since I was a kid and making art 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:27.560 since I was a kid, and and it was something 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:32.040 that always gave me a relief and a release. And 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.919 part of that is about you know, people that have 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:39.120 suffered from addiction before, and you can understand this, which 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.320 is the need to get out of your own head 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:48.240 is much more acute I think in addicts and any 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.800 than than the rest of us. And you know, and 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.680 painting is that because painting, for me, is that the 0:28:56.160 --> 0:29:01.840 complete and other focus on the It's something that requires 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:06.600 your mental and physical coordination at the same time. And 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.320 Melissa and I just gotten married. I was newly clean 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.520 and sober and uh and she went out and she 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:19.640 bought me this table that is back in uh Malibu, 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.960 and and she put it out in this little kind 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:24.720 of shed that we had in the house that we 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:29.840 were staying at, the beautiful windows, and she bought me 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:35.920 some painting supplies and from that day, you know, I paint, 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:41.280 you know, hours a debt. I wake up, you know, 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:46.480 usually by uh five six, and I'm at that table. 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.280 When I'm back there, I'm in my studio and I 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.800 and I paint as long as I possibly can. And 0:29:54.880 --> 0:30:02.640 it was it has given me a an incredible sense 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.360 of purpose because the other side of painting is this 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.040 is that the creative act in and of itself is 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.680 a beautiful thing, but when you share it with somebody else, 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.440 it becomes almost an active courage. And I dont mean 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.520 that in the sense of whether you're whether you play 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:22.920 music or you sing, or you or you're a dancer, 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:27.720 or you're a painter or is it is really amazing 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.440 to do that in the confines of your own, you 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:36.320 know room, but there's this really thrilling and enthralling and 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.960 scary thing to do. Then share that with anybody else, 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.520 and that's what I did. It really was a beautiful thing. 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.480 You know that. The name of the book that I 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.880 wrote was that, and the title came from bow To 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.840 when he was dying said he had lost a lot 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.520 of his ability to speak because of the ephasia that 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:04.960 occurred because the crany old resections. And but we had 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:08.440 a little like code together, and he would just say 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:13.880 beautiful things. And he didn't mean beautiful things like possessions. 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:20.880 He meant beautiful things like family, beautiful things like nature, 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:28.440 beautiful things like uh, like my love of painting and 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:34.920 and uh. And that's kind of the where I've I've 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:40.640 ended up as my entire focus is on trying to 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.240 focus on those beautiful things, which sometimes can come off 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.760 as zingers on X. And when I'm talking about Don Jr. 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:48.880 That's a beautiful thing. 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.720 I think about you, And I mean, obviously you know, 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.440 and you've talked a lot about it, you were in 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.320 a lot about it, and your dad spoke and so 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.640 extraordinarily openly about Boe and but but you know, growing 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.680 up and you guys, you know, just the tragedy both 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.440 of you survived, and the bond that you guys had 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.640 and in the relationship that was you know, you have 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.680 brother the relationships are you know, often close, but this 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.640 was the next level relationship in terms of what you 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.360 guys were forged and and and the experiences. 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:24.480 You both shared. 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.440 But what was it like just growing up in the 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:32.160 spotlight of a father who, you know, before he was president, 0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.080 vice president, before his vice president was a candidate for president, 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:39.080 was a dominant force for decades and decades, youngest center 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.720 in history and thirty good even get sworn in when 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.040 he was originally elected. But what was it like growing 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.600 up in a political family? I mean, was it was 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.440 it just you know, peaches and strawberries, It was you know, 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:54.200 fantastic and privilege or was it you know, man held 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:55.040 to a different standard? 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.320 How was that growing up? 0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:02.080 Now? You know, growing up in I always say that 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:06.360 that I in part because of my dad, but also 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.680 in part because of the state of Delaware. You know, 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:13.760 Delaware is a small place, and I think it's population 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.760 just you know, south of a million still right now, 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.560 even you know, smaller nineteen seventy two when that first 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.080 got elected, probably around six hundred thousand or so. And 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.160 by virtue of that, like you know, my dad was 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.600 Joe to everybody, And by virtue of the accident when 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.280 my mom and my brother and I were in when 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.560 my mom and my sister were killed, is that the 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:44.360 whole kind of state you know, adopted us and we had, 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.800 you know, literal you know, everybody was an aunt and 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:52.640 uncle and which was really it was a beautiful thing. 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:57.920 And so Delaware always felt like family and felt like home, 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.720 and with the same kind of treatment, like if I 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.400 got pulled over by a cop for speed and you know, 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.240 the cop didn't go, well, you know, mister Biden will 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.120 let you off this time, they said to your task's 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:10.960 going to kick your ass. I can't wait for I 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:15.000 see him down at the train station. And so that 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.080 we didn't grow up in d C. You know, I 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:23.040 said something the other day, I said, you know, Mike, 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.640 the way in which they treated Dad. At the end 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:32.200 of twenty twenty four, after the debate, I said his 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.960 part and the reason was he was never a part 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:40.160 of that elite insider d C press. And somebody said, 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:42.640 you know a lot of people said, well, that's the 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.120 most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You're trying to tell 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.800 me that somebody that spends fifty years in Washington, d C. 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.279 There was chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, that was 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.200 a vice president, that was a president, wasn't inside d C. 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.000 And what I wanted to say is that, well, you 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.200 don't know d C. If you don't know that my 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.560 dad went home every day. That means something. He did 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:05.520 not show up at the Georgetown cocktail parties. He was 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:09.839 not at the you know, the the Aaronson's House on 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.560 Sunday with the other Supreme Court justices. And you know, 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.960 I mean like there is a and I know that 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.960 world because I lived there for myself for a while, 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:24.360 which he never did. And and so for that reason, 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:31.839 my childhood was uh was was normal and as much 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.480 as it possibly could be, even though dad was a 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:38.960 United States senator. And you know, now, did we get 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.160 to do some cool stuff? Yeah, I mean we used 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.399 to go down on the train and and hang out 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.799 with my dad anytime that we wanted to. In the 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.359 Senate and uh, you know was one of the most 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.120 increasing I love the Senate. I love the history of 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:57.279 those buildings, and I loved being there to watch and 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.520 also because of my mom's death, a lot of the 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:07.600 old uh like really uh names nobody will remember now 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:11.160 except in their home states. But like Mike Mansfield and 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:16.440 and and Danny and Oway who is my hero and 0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.360 uh you know, and the list goes on. Teddy Kennedy 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.880 uh took us under their wing, which was incredibly privileged 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.640 thing to do. I got to meet men and women 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:31.879 that I think and body Bob Dole, you know, who 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.239 was a cervic guy, but he loved me, I mean 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.239 me and Bow and we got to go in the 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.080 cloak room and do things and see that and see 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.120 uh history unfold. And it was an incredible childhood from 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.759 that perspective. And what I learned in that is that 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:54.719 politics done uh nobly is a noble thing and uh 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.920 and I really believe that. And I think everybody goes, oh, 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:02.200 you know, I don't like politics. Not a good politics. 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.839 I think it's such a cop out. It's like, you know, 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.560 because the truth of the matter is is that the 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.839 only way that we can sustain a constitutional republic and 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.359 this democracy is if we engage in politics. It doesn't 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.680 mean that we have to engage in no holds barred 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.560 partisanship where it's a zero sum game, but we have 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:25.960 to engage in politics. And my dad was the master 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.759 of finding a way through legislatively with people that no 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.440 one would have thought that he could have done that. 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.359 I mean, and for instance, the you know, like Pep Park, 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.440 the President's emergency plan for as really I mean, if 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.640 it were not for my dad, with with Jesse Hilmes 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.279 being able to bring him on board, for that, I 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.480 would have never gotten done. And all the credit goes 0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.400 to U. You know well by the way, as you 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.560 and I both know, all the credit goes to Bono 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:03.640 and Bobby Shreiver, which is true. Yeah, but that that 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.480 that was my childhood. You know, what was it? 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:07.359 What was it like Hunter? 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:12.399 When you mean it must have been radically different as 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.480 vice president, meaning all of a sudden now it's secret service, 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:16.840 different levels of scrutiny. 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.120 Yeah, you know, completely different. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:20.719 Was that? I mean? Was that did that? 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.400 Was that more of a shock of the system or 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.719 was it you know, because of all those reps and 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.520 because of your deeper understanding of you know, the ways 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.680 of of you know, within that court or at least 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:32.720 of d C and the whole way. 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.879 It was it was a radical difference and not one 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:40.239 that I was very comfortable with the pomp and circumstance 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:46.719 of it. And uh is it can be intoxicating, I 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:50.399 think at first, and and and then it can be 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:55.160 very overwhelming when you you're you fully understand that you're 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.960 you're very much not particularly as the son the second 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.440 son of the the Vice President of the United States States. 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.919 It's like, you're not You're not in you know, You're 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.120 not you know, like in the mix, you know what 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.920 I mean with the understandable assumption from people on the 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:16.720 outside that somehow that you know that you are and uh. 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.880 And I think one of the mistakes that I made 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:24.680 is that I I stayed in d C. The girls 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.680 were in school by that time. We had been in Delaware. 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.839 I'd moved back down to d C because I had 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.160 started my law froom. I tried to commute like BO did, 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:38.280 but I had taken a job as an adjunct professor 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:42.720 at Georgetown University's Master's program on the School Foreign Service, 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:44.719 because at the time, I was the chairman of the 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.319 board of the World Food Program US, and so I 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.360 was traveling all over the world at like going to 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:53.680 hotspots like Lebanon and bay Rude during the searing refugee 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.000 crisis and a typhoon, high End and and and all 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.680 these things. And I was teaching at Georgetown, and I 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.960 had my business, and the idea of commuting back and 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.520 forth just became too much for me. As I always 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.000 said to my dad, I said, when I'm late to 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:07.799 a meeting. People leave when you're late to a meeting, 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.040 they wait. And it was a mistake on my part though, 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:17.120 because I really I don't I don't dislike DC, but 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.879 the the but it's a company town. It's very much 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:24.839 a company town, and everything is about, you know, proximity 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:29.839 to power and and people are not are not shy 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:34.200 about it, and it's just it kind of SAPs your 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.120 soul to to a certain degree, you know. I mean 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.759 that was my experience. And again though, it's like what 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.000 an honor like to be able to say what it's 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.799 like inside the Vice President's residence, Like like who gets 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.960 to say that? And I don't like or to be 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:55.279 able to even have remotely at criticism of being able 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.240 to stay over at your dad's house. And it happened 0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.560 to be the White House. Like I only stayed in 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.280 the I was only in the White House, Uh, probably 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.799 forty nights because we were out with the U in 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:11.160 in the great state of California, which, by the way, 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:16.320 I will tell you this. I've had so many people 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.200 say when are you coming home? And I say to them, 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:20.919 are you out of your mind? 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:22.200 There we go? 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:27.840 I wait every day, it's seventy five degrees in sunny, 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:31.279 and I'm looking out at the Pacific Ocean and I 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.320 you know, and I'm going to lunch in the Hollywood Hills, 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.879 and I think, like, what where would you ever want 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.360 to live other than maybe, you know, a couple hours 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.400 north of there. I mean, it's amazing. But anyway, the 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.000 it was tough, not tough in the sense of like, 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.600 oh it was a hardship, but it just wasn't my 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:56.440 style and and and anyway, you know it it uh, 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.359 it kind of all fell apart at one point after died. 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.239 So yeah, and then you started, I mean, that's when 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.680 the sort of spiral of addiction started to take shape. 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.120 And have your best friend to call every day, your 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:13.200 father's devastated, you know, you know, everybody you. 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:14.520 Know people even you know. 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:17.040 Yeah, it's when that I mean, forgive me, but now 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:18.680 I'm looking back, just that was the time. 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.839 Obviously the marriage came to an end as well. 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:33.239 Yeah, exactly, all almost simultaneously. And it was I was 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.880 I was a drift. I was totally drift. And I 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.560 say this not for the shock value of it. I 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.799 was trying to commit suicide, but I didn't have the 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:49.799 courage to do it. In a way that would have 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:54.759 been immediate and final. It was when I first smoke crack. 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.680 It was a conscious choice. I'm going to do the 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:03.279 single thing that is probably the most destructive thing that 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:08.200 I can do. And I walked out of a of 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:13.560 a of a rehabilitation center, an outpatient program that I 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.560 had been in for a period of time because everybody 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:20.200 was worried to death for me and and a whole 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.520 long story, but they wouldn't let me back in the program. 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.600 And then I walked to Lincoln Park, which was, you know, 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.640 uh about two blocks from this program, and I knew 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.239 a woman that had been you know, I had known 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.480 her because I'd worked in the area for you know, 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.440 a worker lived in the area for twenty years and 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.600 everybody called her Bicycles and she was crack addic and 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.600 everybody knew she was crack attic and she was funny 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:48.080 as shit and she and I walked up to her 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:52.160 and said, going to buy some pack and she said sure. 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.560 And that was the and then you know, that was 0:43:55.760 --> 0:44:00.399 became at that time a three year odyssey like no other. 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.520 Yeah, And for you you know, it's and you can 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.560 imagine for people. I'll speak for myself but I imagine 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:10.520 millions of others just to hear you, especially you know, 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.239 I mean on the CANISO and podcast to just say it, 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.480 own it and say quote unquote, yeah I was a crackhead. 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:20.960 Which is a hell of a thing to say, is 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.759 what was said about you. But your willingness to just 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:30.759 own that again, yeah, is that? I mean, was there 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:34.080 a moment when it just you're like, you know, and 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.799 I keep going back to this question because it's it's 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.520 a hell of a statement just to to you know, 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:44.680 to claim something talk about courage, yeah, and humility. 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:44.880 In that respect. 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:50.480 So unlike most people that are you know, publicly humiliated 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.080 because it's something they've done, something they've said that or 0:44:56.239 --> 0:45:01.399 you know, whatever it might be, justify so or or 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.960 unfairly is that it didn't happen in a drip trip. 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.520 For me, it all happened at once. All the pictures 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.279 were out, all one hundred and thirty thousand emails that 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.560 were stolen, all thirty thousand text messages, all you know, 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:20.680 ninety eight thousand photographs and videos, every voicemail that I 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:27.480 ever left anybody. They had hacked my iCloud and several 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:32.400 different devices, including a laptop, including another laptop that was 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.960 stolen in Las Vegas, including a phone. And by the way, 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.719 this isn't like conjecture on my part. They all it's 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.080 all out there. They all that each one of these 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:46.080 people that participated in this operation and they ended up 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.399 getting in a fight with each other and who It's 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:49.239 like who got what? 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.640 And Hunter who? I mean who? For those that aren't familiar, 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.600 I mean, who are the who? What was it this? 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.359 I mean there was a lot of conversation Russian disinformation. 0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.480 We I talked to her about Bannon and you know, 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.200 obviously Rudy. 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:07.880 So you know that there's this whole thing about hind 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.400 that this idea that that when those forty intelligence officers 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.480 wrote that this has all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.160 and you know twitters, you know, uh, you know Twitter 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.799 sphere kind of and then Maga is you know, like 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.680 you lie to us. This is you know, the laptop 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.600 was real? The laptop and I keep saying, is all 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:34.080 a red hearing? Is that what the what those forty 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.960 intelligence officials were talking about is that they were talking 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:44.239 about an ongoing Russian operation that was identified by the 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:49.000 Justice Department under Donald Trump that involved a guy named 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:55.760 Andre derikatch Constantine Kulik, tell Azenko, a guy named Dimitri 0:46:55.920 --> 0:47:03.399 Fertash who Rudy Giuliani was taking information from literally Dosier's. 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:07.200 He filmed it on Oan. He did a documentary in 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.840 real time with him in Leb Parnes and Igor Fruhman 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:16.560 and about searching for my laptop that was being offered 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:20.360 for sale inside of Ukraine and Russia and Austria by 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:24.280 a guy named Dmfi Fertash. That all was happening before 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.720 the laptop repair shop guy was a twinkle in Rudy 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:32.160 Giuliani's eye, okay. And what happened was is that the 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.520 only thing that the laptop proved a quote unquote laptop 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.399 hard drive, iCloud hack, whatever you want to call it. 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.160 The only thing that proved is that I was a 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:46.759 degenerate crackhead doing degenerate crackhead things. And when I say that, 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.200 all consensual things, you know, because what happened next is 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:55.840 this is I did the New Yorker interview right in 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:59.719 twenty nineteen, right when I got a sober. I got 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.960 a call from Adam Intos from the New Yorker, and 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.759 I loved the New Yorker, and I mean, when I 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:08.800 was a kid, I mean, I always thought that I 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:13.040 would be able to be a poet and have my art, 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.680 my poetry in the New Yorker and so and the 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.040 only reason I took his call was because of that. 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.160 And I ended up making one of the best decisions 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.920 of my life because Adam is a really fine writer. 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:31.000 And he listened, and the story ostensibly started about barisma, 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.600 and it ended up being about the fact that I 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.200 was deep into it, coming out of a deep addiction. 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.840 And that came out in July of twenty nineteen, and 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.640 the first call that he got was from Steve Bannon, 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:48.319 who said, m Efer, you scooped us, because that was 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.319 their plan. What they were going to do is they 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:52.960 were going to release all of the images from the 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:59.400 laptop of me, you know, in compromising sexual positions and 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.560 you know, you know, people taking pictures of me with 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.680 the cracked pipe in my mouth and things like that, 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:09.040 and that was going to be the October surprise. But 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.680 I took it away from him. And so what they 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:15.880 did is they concocted this other thing. They held onto 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.720 it all the way up until October of twenty twenty. 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.640 And in the meantime, what had been happening. Is all 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:29.279 of those Dimitri Fertash, Constantine Cooley, tell A Zenko, all 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:33.640 of the Andre Diurkash had all been sanctioned by the 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:39.440 US government by the Trump administration for running a election 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:42.960 interference operation inside of the United States because they were 0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:48.600 feeding to a guy named Alexander Smirnov a bribery charge 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.200 that Hunter Biden took a bribe on behalf of his 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:56.719 father from the Ukrainians. And that's what Rudy did. So 0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:01.600 Rudy walks out onto the Newcastle County Courthouse, Delaware, and 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.560 he does two things. He said that this is evidence 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.880 of criminal activity in Hunter Biden and is being paid 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:12.239 by the Ukrainians like the government, and the Chinese like 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.080 the government, of which neither one of those things is 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:19.160 even remotely true. And he said, and this contains evidence 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:27.080 of inappropriate images of children, which obviously is not true. Nope, 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.520 which is like beyond. But you know what it is. 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.800 It's the oldest trick in the book. It literally was 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.040 started by the Nazis and Putin then deployed it in 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:40.080 two that Rachel Maddow talks about this all the time. 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:45.040 It's called eliminationist rhetoric. If they can get anyone to 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:51.000 believe that you're a pedophile, then the ability for them 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:53.879 to get it. Say, they go out and they say 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.359 that it doesn't bear any resemblance to anything. If ten 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:01.960 percent of their community believe that, then sixty percent can 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.759 believe that you're capable of bribery. Seventy percent think that 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:10.960 you're capable of undue influence, I mean, And so that's 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:15.000 what they did. And it's like everybody else dismisses that 0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:16.839 part about it. But then when you had the New 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:21.319 York Post come along and they literally all they did 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.520 didn't matter what the headline is, what it was about. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.879 It was a picture of me in a motel room 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.960 smoking a pipe or or and with my shirt off 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:32.120 with a woman that was blurred out, and it's like, 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.000 this is your degenerate and tell me that he's not 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:41.560 also capable of, you know, you know, taking a bribe. 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.319 And that's what they did and to great effects, you know, 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:50.279 I mean, people forget is that I had a My 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:58.839 criminal prosecution was completely sewn up after four different US 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.960 attorneys and investigating crime tax at the Department of Justice, 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:10.080 Main Justice, the FBI, the IRS, IRS, criminal Investigations Division, 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.960 and they'd all come to the conclusion that I had 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.759 not committed a felony offense in any way, and I 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:21.200 was getting a I entered into a plea agreement in 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:27.080 which I was going to plead guilty to two misdemeanors, 0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.600 which were failure to file my taxes on time because 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:31.800 I had paid all my taxes with penalties and interest, 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.040 and a diversion agreement because they say that I had 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.680 purchased a gun at a time when I should have 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:43.279 known that I was addicted to a controlled substance, which, 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:47.600 by the way, is the correct thing, is the correct result. 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.400 And so I signed that agreement, and they signed the agreement. 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.440 And so I have assigned agreement with the US Attorney 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:58.800 in the state of Delaware approval with krim tax, completely 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:02.280 independent from Maine Justice or anybody in manjestice making a decision. 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.440 And I go to court and they blow it up. 0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:08.920 They bring in these two prosecutors from Baltimore that had 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.960 never been a part of the case. And after and 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:17.120 there were four amicas briefs sent into the court, not 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.359 as before any decision was made that said, like from 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:23.160 the Heritage Foundation, everybody that you know, a list of 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:26.960 four thousand crimes I had committed. Fox News and the 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:35.160 Murdoch Empire and everybody in the magosphere like went full 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:39.040 force for forty six days, which is totally unheard of 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:42.719 that I would have been had a plea agreement and 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.920 not be arraigned on that agreement within seventy two hours. 0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:48.640 But they delayed it. And when it came to the court, 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.440 the court said, mister Biden, you have an immunity clause 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.759 in here, which is normal for a plea agreement. Of course, 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.720 you don't sign a plea agreement without an immunity's clause 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.000 because you don't want the government to come back and say, 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:05.239 oh no, we decided that. And it sounds to me 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:09.680 like the the attorney is saying that that community would 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.080 not apply to you know, X Y or Z. And 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:18.919 I said, well, it's it's a signed agreement. We're done 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:22.480 here here on her like this is over. She said, 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:28.279 well I don't think so, and she and they and 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:32.200 they purposely blew up the agreement completely and then they 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.160 charged me with things that they've never charged anybody before with. 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:39.160 But that was the whole kind of trajectory of of 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:44.400 all of this, and your original question, though, was this 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:48.680 long lost in my my fifty six year old brain, 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:50.879 and I don't know if I'm going to be able 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:52.120 to get back to us, no. 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:55.279 Hunter, What I mean, was it just the just the 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.120 external political pressure that that this around sound, that sort 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.920 of grievance, the organization of that agreements against you your 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.239 dad that was coming out of you know, Newsmax one 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:08.120 American News Fox Murdock ink. I mean, it was just 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.000 twenty four to seven that just created the pressure on 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.120 the Justice Department to reconsider the judge. I mean, where, 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:18.000 why did that? Why why the sudden shift after agreement period? 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:22.920 It was just political pressure, pure, pure, pure, pure political pressure. 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.000 You know. They literally there were so many death threats 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.560 against the US the assistant US Attorney who was a 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.920 twenty year veteran at the US Attorney's Office in Delaware 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.520 for entering into the agreement, and the U S Attorney 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:38.920 that she had to go into hiding, and they brought 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:41.520 in these two guys from Baltimore, the tame two guys 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:45.880 that that you know, uh prosecuted the Democratic mayor in 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:50.520 the state and city of Baltimore and the the district 0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:52.839 attorney and like they you know they were riding high 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:58.480 on you know, this thing and and and that's exactly why. 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:03.200 And the U S Attorney got just absolutely excoriated until 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:06.880 the point where he then you know, ripped up the 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:13.240 plea agreement, which you can't do. But but we're and 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.840 and and applied for didn't apply. He says he's going 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:17.920 to be special counsel, which is unheard of by the 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.880 way that a sitting US attorney was also a special council. 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.359 It's in complete violation of the statute as written. And 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:29.680 so he becomes special counsel. And before the uh statute 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:31.879 of limitations is up on both of those things, they 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:35.200 charged me with, you know, six feltonies and like, you know, 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:37.160 what's what what are you going to do? Is I 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:41.840 say to everybody, is that the idea that uh, the 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:47.319 chances of beating the federal government, uh, you know, in 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:50.799 a in a in a criminal case or really really 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.560 really slim. I mean that's why they have you know, 0:56:54.080 --> 0:57:00.680 ninety five percent conviction rates the full force of the 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.760 Justice Department when it descends upon you. It's an awesome 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:05.080 thing to witness. 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.160 But it's impossible to hear this and just I mean 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:13.200 it's I mean, most folks listening and watching know this, 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.879 but it's important to mind everybody, this was happening when 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:19.560 your dad is president of the United States. This is 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:23.600 happening a Justice department with his handpicked Attorney general. And 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:32.040 yet your father continues to be criticized for tipping the 0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:36.560 scale of justice and weaponizing the Department of Justice against 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.880 quote unquote his enemies. Meanwhile, his own son is being 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:44.080 prosecuted along these lines after a plea agreement was already signed. 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.960 Where I'm from, what you say something like that is 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:50.800 you can't make this ship up. 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:54.920 I'm glad you put it in terms all of us 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:55.720 can understand. 0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:59.240 You can't make this exactly. But by the way, Dad 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.600 gets so mad, He's said, you got to stop cussing. 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:02.560 You got to stop cussing. 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:04.720 Well, I've never heard you like you did with with 0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:06.720 Andrew when you did that first podcast. 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:10.600 That was man, you know, by the way, all earned, 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:12.320 all earned, all earned. 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:15.400 Yeah, And don't think I'm going to let you go 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.080 without getting into a little bit of those more contemporary 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.000 topics that triggered you back then. 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.400 Not that I'm here to trigger you necessarily. 0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:23.880 But no, no, I'm not triggered by. 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.640 It, but it's but a lot of it is worthy 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:30.120 of of some of some additional commentary. But but it's 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.280 a good segue then just the Department of Justice, this 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:35.200 notion of weaponization. Of course we've seen now Trump back 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:38.160 in office, your father feeling, you know, and I don't 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:41.080 want to get down the rabbit hole of you know, 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.440 your father, you know, surf shifting his own mindset as 0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:44.880 it relates to the part in at the end of 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.040 the day where you know, he was sort of holding 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:50.480 the line against it and ultimately realized on the other 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:51.240 side of this. 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:56.360 Is is yeah, is this is this is This is 0:58:56.360 --> 0:59:00.360 another thing that I really feel that if I sat 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.800 in front of a lot of these people that are 0:59:05.240 --> 0:59:08.680 an outsized voice within a conservative communities, there is no 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.720 more maggot in my opinion, Okay, And if it is, 0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:15.880 it's a very small percentage of what used to be 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:19.680 called the Republican Party, but there is still a genuine 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.200 conservative movement out there. And who's going to take the 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.480 mantle of the intellectual forefront of that. I don't know, 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.040 But I can't imagine sitting not sitting in front of 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.000 Tucker Carlson, looking him in the eye and saying, you know, Tucker, 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:36.080 my dad said that he wouldn't give me a pardon. 0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:38.920 And he was absolutely, one hundred percent genuine about it 0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:40.479 when he would say he wouldn't give me a parton, 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.000 and he said it in a moment in time where 0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:44.520 he thought that he was going to be the next 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:46.200 president of the United States, and there would be a 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.600 Justice Department that would treat me fairly, and there would 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:50.840 be a court system that would not be intimidated by 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:54.280 a tyrant, that would not have an attorney general that 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:57.680 is willing that it's his own personal attorney, or at 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:01.080 that time, if you remember correctly, is that Matt Gates 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.680 was going to become the Attorney General of the United States. 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:06.480 Cash Betel has the head of FBI. I would have 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.720 been under the supervision of the of the Bureau of 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:13.240 Federal Prisons and Probation. The idea that they would not 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:16.200 have violated I would not look for everything that I 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.120 was convicted for. The idea that I would have gone 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:21.840 to jail is zero zero under any circumstances. None. I 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:24.920 was a first time offender. I had never like non 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:28.000 violent victimist climbs on both of them, I paid all 1:00:28.000 --> 1:00:31.680 my taxes with penalties and interest. Anybody that was in 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:35.080 my position would have been in a payment plan with 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:41.200 the IRS through a settled a settlement. There's over one 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:45.120 point six billion dollars in taxes owed by over a 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:47.520 million people that make over a million dollars a year 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:50.280 in the United States right now every year that have 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.560 owed for over five years. By the way, I'm going 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:54.520 to win the gun case. It's going to get overturned 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:59.200 in the Supreme Court, I believe, unfortunately in the harmonic 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:02.520 case that is about to come out right. So in 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.480 a in a whether it was it a Biden administration 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:08.840 or whoever. And by the way, if it was in 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:13.120 a mid Romney administration, if it was in a John 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.680 McCain administration, if it was in anybody that was an 1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:21.160 actual Republican and not a tyrant or fascist, my dad 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:24.080 would not have pardoned me because I could, I could 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:27.480 fend for myself in that system. I could take the lumps, 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.360 I could continue on and I would be okay. But 1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:35.479 the idea that you would leave anyone, and particularly your son, 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:39.720 just I mean think about from that respect, literally, you 1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:43.320 all your Fourth Amendment rights are gone. Surch and teacher 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:46.880 is no longer a constitutional right that you that you 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:49.960 have an advantage of if you're a convicted felon, the 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:53.240 ability for a probation officer at any time to enter 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:55.600 your house without a warrant, to go into your room, 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:57.760 to do anything that they want to do, to violate 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:00.520 you in any way they choose, at any time of 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:04.800 day or night. And it would have been like having 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:07.120 a gun to my family's head for the next four 1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:10.000 years at least. And so that's why he pardoned me. 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.200 I mean, it's a really incredibly rational decision, and it 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:15.320 was a really difficult decision. And you know how proud 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:16.960 of my dad I am is. The fact of the 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:21.400 matter is he chose me over his legacy, because no 1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:23.400 matter what you say, that's going to be the one 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:25.800 of the first things that is written about him. And 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:29.320 that's how you know, I say to people, that's how 1:02:29.400 --> 1:02:31.160 much you know my dad loves me. 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:32.080 Oh, come on. 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:37.240 He chose me over his political legacy for that reason. 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:39.160 And I was with him the day you were indicted. 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.120 We had a press conference out here in San Francisco. 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:42.920 Is driving with him and the bear and I'll just 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:46.120 that's a private story I'll share with you him talking 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:48.440 about you, and he cut me off. We were talking 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:51.200 about something else and he was not thinking about anything 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:54.040 else except you in that day, understandably, and he was 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:57.440 trying to indulge me and said some things man that 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:03.760 for you know, have hardwired me, imprinted on me. That's 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:06.160 where my loyalty will always be with your dad, just 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.960 the love he as for you, and you know, forgive 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.240 me just as a as a parent anyway. 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:11.440 Man. 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:13.040 So I just that's you, you know that. 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:15.320 But boy, you know, just to be there at that 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:18.160 moment and to hear that expression and the depth of 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:22.640 that was was as a father and as someone who 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:25.600 lost My father was a pronounced brother. 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:27.080 But let me just. 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:30.880 Look any seguas to you know, just to the you know, 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.840 all that shit you took twenty four to seven surround 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:39.680 sound weaponization, all the you know, all of that, and 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:42.440 here we are fast forward with the Department of Justice. 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:44.280 We can you know, we don't even need to. We 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:47.000 can just blow past the January sixth stuff. Obviously, this 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:51.440 one point seven seven six billion dollar UH Weaponization fund 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:55.240 and and all the mischigosh there. But you know, come on, man, 1:03:55.520 --> 1:04:02.000 you brought up junior Eric Kushnurse Albania, which coughs border 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:06.439 piece meme coins USC. I mean you were tweeting about 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:08.600 that today. Now there's a coin related to the USC. 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:12.040 We've got, you know, forget the days of Cologne. It's 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:15.040 Bibles and it's you know, first lady bibles, not just 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:20.600 Trump Bibles. You've got sneakers, we've got phones. I mean, 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:23.760 this grift is the likes of which we've You can't 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:25.880 even can't make this back to this. You can't make 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:28.320 this s and everything you went through. 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:29.600 Let's talk about that. 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:34.600 Yeah, they literally they they ruin it all. Like you 1:04:34.600 --> 1:04:40.680 know what I like the UFC watching it. They ruined it. 1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:43.880 They ruin it. It makes it hard, now, do you know 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:45.960 what I mean? It literally does because everybody's got to 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:47.480 choose a side. They have to put it on the 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:50.560 goddamn South Lawn and in the middle of two and 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:53.040 fiftieth anniversary. I mean, I can't understand why Dana White. 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.360 I don't even think against Dana White, but what the 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:58.880 fuck man, Like, it's your brand, Like, how are you 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:02.280 doing this? How are you doing this? How is this appropriate? 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:07.080 How is this appropriate? And I just don't get crypto. 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:09.320 Let me take it into crypto. I was red pilled a 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.120 long time ago as it released to bitcoin. I don't 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:14.560 care that I'm not. You know, meme coins. If you 1:05:14.600 --> 1:05:17.240 talk to anybody between the age of eighteen and thirty five, 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:21.000 meme token of mean culture and tokens are something that 1:05:21.040 --> 1:05:24.200 they fully completely understand. And you know what, there was 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:26.320 a lot of promise in that, a lot of freedom 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:28.680 in that, a lot of an idea in which your 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:31.360 level of attention could be something in which you could 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:35.200 monetize that you could do micro transactions and create communities with. 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:39.640 They've totally distorted it and made it a total grift. 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:42.920 I mean, look at bitcoin. I love the idea bitcoin 1:05:43.000 --> 1:05:44.800 not coming from I don't know own any bitcoin. I 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:46.760 don't know. I don't have two nickels to rub together. 1:05:46.840 --> 1:05:50.760 But the fact of the matter is that you have it. 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:55.600 I went sorry, sorry to get off on this tangent. Well, 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:57.720 when I was the chairman of the board of the 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:01.000 World Threugh Program, the US UN World Food Program, largest 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:04.560 humanitarian organization in the world. I ran the US part 1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:07.280 of it, okay, which was responsible for sixty percent of 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:09.440 its budget, which we went from when I was chairman 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:11.440 from one point six billion dollars a year to two 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:13.720 point four billion dollars a year in which we were 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:20.320 able to raise and come at a US interest, fed 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:23.320 eighty million people in seventy three different countries on a 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:27.280 daily basis. Okay, so I would go to these hotspots, 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:29.400 so when there was a typhoon or was it a 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:32.760 natural disaster, or whether there's a war, and we would. 1:06:33.200 --> 1:06:35.960 And World Food Program is always the first on the 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:38.360 ground because they have all the airlift of the UN 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:41.760 and so they bring in everybody else. And so it 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:44.080 was critical. And one of the pieces was is that 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:47.120 when you bring in refugees into these places, is that 1:06:47.240 --> 1:06:51.440 they cannibalized the local economy, which is usually really unstable 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:55.080 at the time anyway, and so you bring in all 1:06:55.120 --> 1:06:57.800 of this free food, and all of a sudden, then 1:06:57.960 --> 1:07:02.320 you are these subsistence farmers and these local shops and 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:06.080 things they get that nobody's going to them anymore. And 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:08.040 so what we wanted to do is we wanted to 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:11.280 bring money into the into the communities, into the economy, 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:13.760 and rather than making the repugees a drain on it, 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:16.480 is that they're actually adding to it. And we had 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:17.960 to figure out a way to be able to do 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:23.200 micro transactions that could be go through cell phones and 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:28.080 and it became the pilot program was incredibly successful. And 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:30.960 you realize like in places like Kabira and which is 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:34.840 the largest you know, former repugee slum in the world 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:39.520 in Nairobi and it and it is an entire working 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:43.120 economy and which you can go into a shack that 1:07:43.400 --> 1:07:46.240 is the size of a closet to buy a Fanta 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:50.480 soda with a flip phone and for the equivalent of 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:56.000 seventeen cents. That's what cryptocurrency is, the true promise of 1:07:56.040 --> 1:07:58.160 it outside of a banking system and which you have 1:07:58.240 --> 1:08:00.000 to go through VAT or you have to go through 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:04.840 through you know, like by the way, like do I 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:07.960 trust that? Or Jamie Diamond, do you know what I mean? 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:10.560 Like you know what I mean? Like what's the I 1:08:12.160 --> 1:08:15.960 And so anyway, my point is is they sully everything. 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:21.280 They sully everything, They tarnish everything. I mean, he made 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:26.080 thirty seven thousand trades in the first quarter of this year, 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:29.800 thirty seven thousand trades, more than most multi billion dollar 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:33.559 hedge funds make in a single quarter. And I'm talking 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:37.719 about like I mean, like he is a hyper trader, 1:08:38.120 --> 1:08:42.280 and and he's trading stocks in large numbers of companies 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:47.360 like Dell and Navidia and Apple and what she's canning 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:50.920 out billion dollar contracts too. And by the way, those 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:55.760 trades directly coincide with whatever action that he's thinking. And 1:08:55.760 --> 1:08:59.880 we do all sit here and go like, well, you know, 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:02.920 and sorry to do this, but I have too much 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:06.400 fun doing it. And you know, Jake Brick, Tamblin, Tapper 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:10.280 sits and goes. But you know what, Joe Biden just 1:09:10.320 --> 1:09:12.960 wrote a book that said that she believed in her husband. 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:15.559 It isn't that a crime? And it's like, what are 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:18.760 you all talking about? Excuse my languig. Sorry, he's gonna 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:24.000 kill me. I swear to I told him. I promised 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:27.040 I would, I would, I would try to stop cussing. 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:31.879 But you know, to your point, it's the it's it's 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:34.920 I think you know it's Steve Bannon thing though, okay 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:39.200 is that? And you know this and and you're about 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:45.320 to feel it in a way that's even more intense, 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:48.719 which doesn't seem possible. I promise you it is then 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:52.360 than it has been. Is a fire hose of falsehoods. 1:09:52.800 --> 1:09:56.360 They are just opening this bigot and it it becomes 1:09:56.400 --> 1:10:01.560 so overwhelming that even a captured press doesn't have to 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:04.679 you know, it makes his hard on any of them. 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:07.120 I mean, what do you focus on? Do you focus 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.160 on the gold shoes, or do you focus on the 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:11.160 new coin that they just released, or do you focus 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:14.280 on the six hundred and twenty million dollar Pentagon loan, 1:10:14.520 --> 1:10:17.799 largest ever made to any single company in the history 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:20.559 of the United States of America, to Don Junior for 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:24.360 a startup company about rare earth minerals. And they say 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:26.920 that I wasn't qualified to be on a board. I mean, 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:32.439 Jesus Christ, I mean, how in the world Jared Kushner 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:36.400 six point two billion dollars from Golf State, all of 1:10:36.400 --> 1:10:39.839 it from Golf State, eighty million dollars in fees annually 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:43.600 at a minimum before you get to carry on that investment. 1:10:44.240 --> 1:10:47.800 And he's taken it from people in which he's negotiating 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:49.879 a war on behalf of the United States of America 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:53.160 that nobody wanted with ran that their interests are directly 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:58.960 tied to Eric Trump. One hundred one point five billion 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:02.200 dollar is really drove own company that made its that 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.280 made its mark in Gaza with their drones selling in 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:10.240 going public and selling into the DoD because they merged 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:16.080 with one of Eric's you know, like golf companies or something. 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:17.519 I don't know. I mean, I don't even know what 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.080 the hell is, but they're open about it. They're standing 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:23.080 there ringing the bell at the was. You know, they're 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:27.000 not on the front page. And meanwhile New York Times 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:28.760 had me on the front page for I don't know, 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:33.760 seemed like four six and eighty days street with you know, 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:37.920 Ken Vogel doing these you know, writing long form books 1:11:37.960 --> 1:11:40.800 about you know, whether or not the influence you know 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:46.760 what they're talking about. Eighty five percent of that none 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:48.280 of it had to do with it any time when 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:51.280 my dad was president. Any of the business deals that 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:53.920 they're talking about all happened when my dad was neither 1:11:54.040 --> 1:11:56.760 president nor vice president. This whole ten percent for the 1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:59.760 big guy thing. I didn't read that email. Some jack 1:11:59.880 --> 1:12:01.640 I wrote it to me trying to get me to 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:03.280 be a part of a deal while my dad was 1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:06.680 out of office, even if it was true, which it 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:10.880 was not. There's no there's not even anything unethical about it. 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:14.200 But all of a sudden it becomes the tagline and 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:16.559 people catch on to it. And you know, if you're 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:21.240 Ken Vogel or Peter Baker or you know these guys, 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:28.000 is like this false gospel of balance in the media 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:33.519 is just it's like, you know, a scale has two pans, 1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:38.040 all right, and when you put a weight on one side, 1:12:38.320 --> 1:12:41.519 the other side goes up. And that's a fact. And 1:12:41.560 --> 1:12:46.000 we're supposed to believe that it's always an even way, 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:50.160 and it's not. There are facts, and there is truth, 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:54.960 and the truth is they are more corrupt than any 1:12:55.560 --> 1:13:00.240 single administration of all the competent and I'm talking about 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:04.640 Andrew Johnson. Corrupt more than Andrew Johnson. I mean, go 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:07.679 back and read your history, and I've read it. No 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:12.439 one even remotely comes close. My line is is if 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:14.719 they ever leave the White House, they're going to steal 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:15.559 the copper pipes. 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:21.800 Or we've already he's already got the Declaration of Independence 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:25.200 on in the oval. So I'm not sure he distinguishes 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:26.599 whether or not it's ours or his. 1:13:27.840 --> 1:13:29.640 Yeah, and by the way, he doesn't even know what 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:32.599 it is. Remember when he pointed to it and he said, 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:35.760 you know this, I forget he'd like referred to it 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:38.160 as the Constitution or something. I mean, it really doesn't. 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:41.000 He doesn't know the significance of that document and what 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:43.400 it means to the American people, just like he doesn't 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:45.640 know the significance of what it means to but at 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:48.840 that's south lawn, what it means to me, what it 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:51.360 means to a normal person that has never been able 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:55.160 to walk on that uh and never had the privilege 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:57.640 of walking out those doors to that south lawn and 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:01.320 thinking about that's where the helicopter took off with, you know, 1:14:01.800 --> 1:14:05.880 with Lyndon Johnson when he left. That's where uh. You know, 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:08.880 that's the same law that Abraham Lincoln. There's the tree 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:14.160 that that Teddy Roosevelt planted, and he's putting a fucking 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:19.200 cage and he's putting on a show bread and circus, 1:14:19.439 --> 1:14:22.760 Bread and circus. And by the way, that's all it 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:27.040 is to him. The gold, the Rose Garden, the Oval 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:31.519 Office is bread and circus. He knows what he's doing. 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:36.280 He knows that people are absolutely enthralled by it. And 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:41.439 again and what it is, it's audacity versus authenticity, And 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:45.920 I am and I'm certain you know it can only 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:48.640 last so long. The question is what are we going 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:50.720 to have to rebuild with that's really what I. 1:14:50.680 --> 1:14:54.320 Think, and and and hunter to that, you know, and 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.160 again I'm mindful of our time. 1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:58.400 You know, the Democratic Party. 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:02.479 You made oblique reference earlier in the conversation about the party. 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.200 I mean, what is what is to you? The Democratic Party? 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:08.040 What is it? Is there a party? What is the party? 1:15:08.120 --> 1:15:08.240 Is it? 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:10.559 The party? Is your dad? Is it? Is it? Bill? 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.960 And Hillary? Is it interested in the party? Nancy? 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:17.439 Yeah, it's all of it. It's all of it. It's 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:19.960 it's the it's the one thing I always say. It's 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:21.800 that Will Rogers line. And I'm not a part of 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.640 I'm not a member of any organized party. I'm a 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:27.479 Democrat And that's so true. And you know it is 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:30.240 this is that I've never known in my life. And 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:32.760 you've been doing this your whole with other wife. When 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:36.640 have we ever had a Democratic Party before we had 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:40.400 a nominee, Until we get a nominee, until we get 1:15:40.600 --> 1:15:43.840 somebody deleted, we do not have a Democratic Party has 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:46.760 never existed. It's never happened before. You know why it 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:48.559 is because we always are trying to find a way 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:51.519 and it looks like absolute chaos. But I'll tell you what, 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:55.240 when we get a nominee, we'll have a direction. Take 1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:59.280 twenty twenty. Everybody sits around and particularly these guys that 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:01.519 I know that you're friends with, and I'm not going 1:16:01.600 --> 1:16:03.960 to name names, and I'm not friends friends with, but 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:07.680 I do. You don't want to be enemies, so you 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:10.920 don't want me to, just as they're so smart and 1:16:10.960 --> 1:16:13.000 they're all the ones that you know, the reason that 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:14.880 they're the reason that Barack Obama won. 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:18.680 So you're you're going right, you're hitting the axel rod 1:16:18.800 --> 1:16:19.200 right now. 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:22.280 No, yeah, I mean he is one. He wrote the speeches, 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:25.760 he did this, he did that. You know, he's the nominee, 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:29.120 you know, and twenty twenty would never be Joe Biden, 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:31.920 never gonna Joe Biden would never win. He's by the way. 1:16:31.920 --> 1:16:34.160 It wasn't because he was too old. Was because you know, 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:37.080 you needed you know, uh, you know, new fresh blood 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:39.880 and this that and the other thing. And his policies 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.960 are old and he doesn't he doesn't understand Washington anymore. 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:45.360 I'll never be able to get anything done. He's delusional. 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:47.840 He's living in a time that's gone by. You know 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:50.200 what my dad was. My dad was Joe Biden, and 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:52.920 everybody knew Joe Biden. He was the most authentic man 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:57.120 in politics at that time. Joe Biden may have misspoken, 1:16:57.360 --> 1:16:59.640 but very rarely. The truth of the matter was his 1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:03.040 gap was his was everyone else's truth. It didn't matter 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:06.679 what he said, and everybody would go But you know what, 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:09.120 it was never a lie. It was never fake. He 1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:12.040 was never pretending And that's why he got eighty one 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:15.439 million votes because you know what Joe Biden knew Joe Biden, 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.600 or what you knew about Joe Biden is this is 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:21.760 that if you are a waitress, let's say in Green Bay, Wisconsin, 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:25.719 and you're raised a Catholic, and you were a practicing Catholic, 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:29.320 and you worked two jobs and your husband worked at 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:34.679 the at one of the artifactories down south of there, Okay, 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:38.840 and you look at Joe Biden and you see all 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:42.280 these ads about transgenderism. Okay. You know what you knew 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:44.519 about Joe Biden was he as as confused about it 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:47.240 as you are. But you know what he also you 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.880 knew about Joe Biden is that if he told you 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:53.320 that it's not that we are America and we are 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:56.880 diverse enough that we can have a that this isn't 1:17:56.920 --> 1:17:59.280 an issue. The issue is whether or not you're going 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.160 to be able to send you to school or you 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:05.840 know what, if you are a truck driver in Scranton. Okay, 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:10.599 you're a team star in Scranton, and you're you're you're 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:13.720 a pro life, but you're a Democrat in terms of 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:16.599 the principles that you have in terms of workingman and 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:19.479 you know, union jobs and everything like that. You know what, 1:18:19.920 --> 1:18:22.080 you know, Joe Biden's not going to shove his religion 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:24.720 down your throat or they're the lack there of it. 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:28.479 That's why he got eighty one million votes because he 1:18:28.600 --> 1:18:31.240 was one of them, and he really was one of them. 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:34.880 It wasn't it wasn't made up. He you know this, 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:39.880 He is that and they knew that. And that's why 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.360 he got seven million more votes than anybody that has 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:46.080 ever run for president, not because he was purely Barack 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:49.960 Obama's vice president, not because people Look, if it was 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:53.479 because people hated Trump so much, then what changed in 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:57.280 four years? In thirty four felony convictions a you know, 1:18:57.720 --> 1:19:02.960 the egg Carol case, you know, stealing documents from the 1:19:03.160 --> 1:19:06.360 you know, classified doct Like people's views didn't change on 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:10.080 Trump anymore or less, but he got eighty one million 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:13.679 votes because of that. He got eighty one million votes 1:19:13.800 --> 1:19:18.679 because my dad believed that everybody should have a fair chance. 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:21.400 And you know what that meant in terms of everybody, 1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:25.360 It meant the people that he even disagreed with, and 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:27.360 so they were willing to come out to vote for 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:32.799 him for that reason. And I don't know what these 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:36.719 guys that are all the smart guys in the room 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:42.400 are in terms of they're not and never will be 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:48.599 the leaders of the Democratic Party. You will be, I believe, 1:19:48.920 --> 1:19:52.240 or whoever wins the nomination. I'm not saying that you're 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:53.840 running and I'm not doing any of this, and I'm 1:19:53.920 --> 1:19:56.040 not doing any of that, I promise I'm not putting 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:58.840 in the position. But I'm saying if you do, when 1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:01.679 you win, then you come the leader of the Democratic Party, 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:04.840 and people fall in line, just just like they fell 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.040 in line with the message of Joe Biden in twenty 1:20:07.080 --> 1:20:12.800 twenty and we won by eight million votes. And so 1:20:13.320 --> 1:20:18.040 that's what I think about. You know, you're not as. 1:20:17.880 --> 1:20:21.799 Panicked about the Democratic Party brand in that context that 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:25.880 it starts to resolve itself as we move through midterms 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:27.200 and then get to the other side. 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:34.479 Yeah, well, you know what I mean, I know I'm 1:20:34.479 --> 1:20:37.200 not because you know what, you know, he's a Democrat. 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:41.280 Zoramm Donny. You know who's a Democrat? Grand Platter? You 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:44.360 know it's a Democrat. Abigail Stanberger. You know who's a Democrat? 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:46.000 You know, I mean, I just can keep going down 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:48.040 the list. You know it's a Democrat, AOC. You know 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:50.600 it's a Democrat. Bernie Sanders. You know it's a Democrat. 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:54.040 Is James tel Rico in Texas. You know who's a 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:57.679 Democrat is Harvey Rissa in California. You know, I mean 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:00.960 the diversity of the number of people that I just named, 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:03.840 but all believe in one thing. Is they believe in 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:07.880 the constitutional republic. They believe in the democracy. They believe 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:10.519 that people should have a fighting chance. They believe that 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:14.479 the billionaire class should not be completely in control of 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:16.640 all of the policies that we're making. Now, do I 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:20.000 think that we need radical change in leadership once those 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:24.280 people get into positions of power. Absolutely, we got to 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:27.479 break the cycle of us being beholden to the corporate 1:21:27.479 --> 1:21:31.080 class in this party. And you and I think that'll happen. 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:33.599 But you got to add some of these new voices 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:39.360 in there, and I think it'll benefit us all. I 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:45.080 have faith that with some truth and reconciliation in twenty 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:49.840 twenty eight, or even beginning in twenty twenty six now 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:54.479 in November, that we can stem not to stem the tide, 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:58.639 but I think that the most incredible changes always occur 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:02.720 at the This is always the case throughout history. You 1:22:02.800 --> 1:22:05.639 need to go through the pain to It's just like recovery. 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:09.640 I believe that we all need as a nation be 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:13.320 in recovery. And in that recovery, what you realize is 1:22:13.360 --> 1:22:15.400 that all the pain that you went through is all 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:17.960 the power that you have Now. I think the country 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:20.400 can do the same thing. I truly do believe that. 1:22:20.720 --> 1:22:23.440 The autopsy, what'd you make of the whole autopsy? 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:27.840 Well, number one, I think that the criticism of the 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:33.559 of the chairman is so unfair. I mean, I think 1:22:33.560 --> 1:22:36.680 that he's trying to do a job, and I mean 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:40.320 he just get ripped, you know, riffed both ways and 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:43.519 backwards and forest. You know, I now understand this idea 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:48.720 that it is. You know that that it's important to 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:53.879 do a you know, an internal review of your process 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:57.880 and what happened and how you can do better. But 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.760 why that has to be a you know, like a 1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:04.720 public spectacle. I mean, what a bunch of bullshit. What 1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:07.880 company would ever do that? Like if you're a company, okay, 1:23:07.960 --> 1:23:10.360 and you had a goal and say, you know what 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:14.680 it is, New Coke. Okay, New Coke comes out it 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:19.000 was a spectacular failure. Okay, the CEO of Coke didn't 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:22.920 it wasn't forced to then go out and say, you know, okay, 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:24.400 how did it go so wrong? Well, we're going to 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:25.920 go to the market and what we're gonna do is 1:23:25.920 --> 1:23:27.840 we're gonna late, We're gonna pull down our pants, and 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:29.720 we're going to tell you how stupid we were to 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:33.640 you know, to brand ourselves New Coke and you know 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:36.360 and and kill you know, almost kill this brand. No 1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:40.600 companies ever expected to do that because it's completely counterproductive 1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:44.840 to the brand. So all these people calling for like 1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:50.200 a public lashing, what do they want? You know, it's Gaza, 1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:53.400 you know, what a bunch of bullshit. It's not just Gaza, 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:56.599 it's Israel. No, what a bunch of bullshit. It's not 1:23:56.680 --> 1:24:02.439 just Israel, you know, it's leadership. It's not what we 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:05.720 we as democrats are going to figure it out. But 1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:08.200 we're only going to figure it out when we find 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:10.679 a leader, and we find a leader of the party 1:24:10.960 --> 1:24:14.760 when we end up going through this primary process, and 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:18.519 I think then that that leader is going to be 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:22.160 determined upon them and their team of people and the 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:25.120 people that they bring along to embolden us with a 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:29.599 message that I hope includes action and some real radical 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:34.920 plans for uh, for changing things reform. People are angry, 1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:36.400 and people are angry for good reason. 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:39.880 And I you know, I love the tonality and you 1:24:39.920 --> 1:24:41.760 see you've been saying it, and I cannot agree with 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:44.240 you more in terms of just you know, we can't 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:46.880 pave over the old cow path. Uh, you know, we 1:24:46.920 --> 1:24:49.880 can't be sort of you know, managed to decline more 1:24:49.920 --> 1:24:54.479 efficiently or effectively. I think people notably and rightfully are 1:24:54.479 --> 1:24:57.640 demanding something. And you use the word radically, which is 1:24:57.680 --> 1:25:00.519 a loaded word, but something dramatic different. 1:25:00.720 --> 1:25:01.519 Let me ask you just. 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:03.680 You can't say it, but I can. Yeah, you can 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:06.960 say with that. And that's the beauty, by the way, 1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:10.479 that's the completely unfair advantage that I have over you 1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:13.559 is like, and I really mean this, it's not fair. 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:15.760 It's like I can say it because I don't then 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.560 have to do it. And and but I really I 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:22.760 think that I think people are ready for radical in 1:25:23.120 --> 1:25:24.280 the best sense of the word. 1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:26.840 In the best sense. When's your book coming out? Come on? 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.280 Tell me you don't you're not thinking about another book? 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:32.160 Okay? Yeah, No, I am I and I and I've 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:33.960 written it and I'm and I'm. What I'm gonna do 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:37.519 is I'm going to release it on substack in serial form. 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:39.800 And how cool is that? Like once a week or 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:42.759 once every few days. And so I wrote two books 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:46.960 I want. I basically wrote one book about the like 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:50.560 the internal experience, like from from the end of the 1:25:50.640 --> 1:25:53.519 last book for those like past seven years. And then 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:55.600 I wrote another book which is kind of like a 1:25:56.520 --> 1:26:01.479 like a like a thriller. Unfortunately, the eating characters are 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:04.240 like Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, like what was happening 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:07.479 in the rooms that I was not in, which is 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:10.600 really fascinating and interesting. And I'm going to do that 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:14.240 on sub stack and I and and more than anything, 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:17.800 this is what I'm doing is that this uh uh 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:22.160 uh organization that I'm working with now, Peak Path Health, 1:26:22.680 --> 1:26:26.519 is there their rehab up in up in the Hollywood 1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:28.720 Hills and they have about forty beds and the two 1:26:28.720 --> 1:26:31.439 people the right that that run it in are that 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:36.360 the day to day Dustin and Glennis are it was 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:40.400 like twenty five years of recovery between them. They've been 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:42.879 to many rehabs as I have, and they're just wonderful 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:47.639 people and and they do an incredible job. And this 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:51.200 idea of a free aftercare in in l A. And 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.800 there's a there's a I think a property that we 1:26:54.120 --> 1:26:57.760 this incredible couple may donate to us, and that's what 1:26:57.840 --> 1:27:00.160 I really want to build. And then the other thing 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:04.120 that I'm doing in la Is around rent Is is 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:09.400 Boston Universal, which is you probably know BOSTA is a 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:14.240 Boston Universal is the largest tenants rights UH, free tense 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:18.240 rights UH and homeless prevention group in southern l A. 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:22.360 And i'm their development director UH there because I think 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:25.200 that there's a real link between people staying in their 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:29.360 homes and homelessness and addiction that is not always a 1:27:29.400 --> 1:27:32.120 straight line one way or another, and so that those 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:33.840 are the two things that I'm most focused on. 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.200 I love it so sub Stack, you know, reminds me 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:38.760 of one of the few things my inheritance with my 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:41.640 father was hardly as wit and witticism. 1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:42.080 It was. 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:45.360 It was a few books and your poetry from Yates 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:48.320 and he said he did leave me one extraordinary book, 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:51.439 which is Pickwick Paper from Dickens. And it was done 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:54.679 in pamphlets how they originally published books. 1:27:54.720 --> 1:27:57.439 It was done on a monthly basis, and you would 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.840 just wait for the next pamphlet. So you're of you know, 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:01.840 you're bringing back a little bit. 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:04.920 Yeah. Literally, that's how I got the idea of doing it. 1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:08.160 And John Irving used to talk about that, you know, 1:28:08.200 --> 1:28:10.719 the the you know world occurring garb and stuff, because 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:13.680 he did this whole thing about how Dickens used to 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:16.000 write his books and it would come out in Cereal 1:28:16.120 --> 1:28:18.719 for him. And you know, there's this thing with substack 1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:22.759 where like it's kind of really cool, like you're waiting 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:25.639 for the next chapter. Whether that's you know, every week, 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:29.639 and it's every week. It won't there's too many chapters. Yeah, 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:32.519 you got to be the next year. But I'll do 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:35.200 it a little bit faster paced, but good. I think 1:28:35.200 --> 1:28:36.080 it'll be really cool. 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:37.040 I love that. 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.799 So last question, I mean, just for all the cynics 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:41.120 out there, and by the way, I want you and 1:28:41.160 --> 1:28:43.040 Tapper to you got to if you've got to show 1:28:43.120 --> 1:28:44.840 up on Candice Owens and you want to be on 1:28:44.880 --> 1:28:47.639 with Tucker everyone, you and Tamper have to have it out. 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:51.120 I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, but that may not happen. 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:55.920 Yeah, may not, may not. 1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:59.400 But what to the cynics out there? And you you 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:00.760 you name Chuck Tapper in. 1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:03.320 Terms of just you know your mom's book and you 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:05.360 know your dad's coming out with his book later the year. 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:07.000 I mean, what do you what do you say? Because 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:09.639 I have strong opinions on this, but just in closing, 1:29:09.680 --> 1:29:12.519 I'd love to hear yours. You know this idea that somehow, 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:16.120 once you're once you know, we turned the page on 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:19.160 one administration and family, we're supposed to just move on 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:22.920 and never hear from them again. This idea that, yes, 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:25.519 that they don't have a voice. 1:29:25.920 --> 1:29:27.800 What do you what do you make of that? Why 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:30.200 writing books? Why are they never? 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:35.160 Look? Okay? I is what I said? Is it like, oh, 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:38.680 you know what what they were going to do is 1:29:38.760 --> 1:29:42.160 they were going to go and and and and uh 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:46.280 gin up the sneaker factory, the gold sneaker tackery in Vietnam, 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:50.560 and that business was taken. So they were going to 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:53.960 then go into into crypto, but you know that was 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:57.400 a little bit corner. So they decided on gold plated 1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:01.800 mobile phones. But Dad had a better idea. He thought 1:30:01.840 --> 1:30:05.080 maybe they could sell Biden branded bibles and that's how 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:07.639 they could make a living. All of those things were taken, 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:09.840 and so you know what they decided to do. They 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:14.280 decided to do with every first lady and president in 1:30:14.479 --> 1:30:20.040 modern history has done. They both decided to write a book. 1:30:21.080 --> 1:30:24.160 One has to come out before the other, and so 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:26.719 Mom went first. And you know who did that also, 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:29.719 Michelle and Barack Obama. You know else did that? Hillary 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:33.400 and Bill Clinton, George Bush and the First Lady and 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:37.840 Georgia Kerbet Walker Bush, I mean, and Barbara Bush and 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:41.120 Ronald Reagan and Nancy and I mean, like what are 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:45.559 we talking about here? I mean it's like, like, oh, 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:49.519 he should should What are they supposed to do other 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:51.519 than that? By the way, and I'm really proud of that, 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:53.519 you know why. You know what, you know my dad 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:58.240 didn't do. He didn't go and joined the board of 1:30:58.400 --> 1:31:03.080 sixteen different corporations. My dad decided what he was going 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:04.759 to do is he's going to stay true to himself 1:31:04.800 --> 1:31:07.160 like he'd always done. He had never made a penny 1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:11.599 off of his off of being a public servant, other 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:14.599 than the salary that he got when he became. When 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:17.040 he left the vice presidency, he wrote a book and 1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:19.000 he had money for the first time in his life. 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:22.160 And he bought my mom a little house in Rehobe's Beach, Delaware. 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:25.400 That's what he did with it. And now you know what, 1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:27.680 he's back at his house, the same house that he's 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:30.880 been in for thirty years in Wilmington, Delaware, with my 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:34.760 mom and he's writing his book. And that's how they 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:38.840 are paying the bills and like, and it's great and 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:42.200 for them, it's great. But what do they want him 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:44.880 to do? What did they think that he should do? 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:47.840 Go join the board of Carlisle. Now I'm not, you know, 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:53.680 you know, start a you know, a multinational you know, 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:57.240 think tank organization and fly around the globe, you know, 1:31:57.280 --> 1:32:01.160 I mean, like, my dad is my dad. He's in Delaware. 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:07.560 He's writing a book about the most his history, incredible 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:13.240 journey from a kid from Scranton, Pennsylvania, that had a stutter, 1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:20.280 whose dad was a car salesman, that became the president 1:32:20.439 --> 1:32:24.880 of the United States. And I'll tell you what the 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:28.439 thing about my dad is this, I think that he 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:34.439 is unique, unique as president for just one reason is 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:38.479 that I don't know of any president and that I've 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:43.479 read about in history that in order to take that job. 1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:46.080 And this is not a criticism, it is just it's 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:48.759 a fact, is that there has to be some level 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:53.080 of narcissism and you have to have a you have 1:32:53.160 --> 1:32:56.280 to have an outsized ego to be able to balance 1:32:56.320 --> 1:32:58.679 that with the level of empathy that my dad had 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:05.120 I found was almost unique. And I'm so proud of him. 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:08.040 I'm so proud of him. I'm so proud of my mom. 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:11.759 You know, it's not been easy. Cancer is not easy. 1:33:13.080 --> 1:33:15.479 You know, the way that we left was not easy, 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:23.400 and and my dad grieves every day for the loss 1:33:23.400 --> 1:33:26.519 of the opportunity to save this country from what it 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:30.840 has to go through right now. And you don't think 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:34.639 that we care as a family more than anybody, more 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:40.960 than anybody about this. We have given not by choice, 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:45.080 but by choice in my respect, not because of anything 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:48.120 that I have earned, but this family has given our lives, 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:55.439 our whole lives to this. Whatever you think about us, 1:33:56.320 --> 1:34:00.200 given our my dad has given his whole adult life 1:34:00.560 --> 1:34:05.240 to this, not for personal gain, not to become a billionaire, 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:07.479 not to even become a millionaire, not to make more 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:10.719 than the salary that he was paid. Given his whole 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:13.240 life to this. I give it up, my life for it. 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:19.280 You all of it. They took all of it. And 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:21.799 here we are. And you know what, I'm not stepping 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:26.799 off the stage for fucking anybody, because more than anything, 1:34:27.360 --> 1:34:28.639 I want to make my dad proud. 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:35.120 Well, Hunter and I you know this, and I'll just 1:34:35.200 --> 1:34:39.120 add my voice. You know, you know how proud he 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.719 is of you, brother, and and uh and I'm I'm 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.760 proud to have had this opportunity to share all this 1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:47.040 with you and to have this conversation, really share this 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:48.800 time with you, and uh and. 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:52.160 I'm really just I'm so I'm so pleased that you're so. 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:55.000 Willing to be so open and and and and talk 1:34:55.080 --> 1:35:00.000 so authentically authentically about your journey and how it attaches 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:03.639 I imagine to how so many other people are struggling 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:06.000 and feeling and and uh and thanks for being so 1:35:06.120 --> 1:35:07.160 raw and thanks for being here. 1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:10.519 Okay, wait, one thing is you know you've heard that 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:16.200 say a million times, is I'll come campaign for you 1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:20.840 or against you, whatever it helps most, and you know, 1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:24.400 at my stomach, yeah, and he would say it and 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:26.679 you'd be like, you know, it was it was silly 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:28.640 because of course you'd want him to come out. In 1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:30.040 my case, it is for real