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Speaker 1: I'm joined today by presidential candidate Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: I'll run, but only as your VP. I think everybody's

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Speaker 2: carrying around a bag of heroin in their pocket and

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Speaker 2: it's called an iPhone. I'm not stepping off the stage

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Speaker 2: for fucking anybody.

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Speaker 3: This is Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 2: I'm Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined today by presidential candidate Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty eight. Come on, Hunter, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, you got more buzz out there than that.

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Speaker 1: You got the President of the United States, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: talking about your candidacy for president.

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Speaker 2: I had to give you. I had to give you

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Speaker 2: a break for just one day at least. Here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal. I'll run, but only as your as

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Speaker 2: your VP, because the truth doesn't matter. Is the Vice

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Speaker 2: President's residence is a lot cooler? It lot e's your

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Speaker 2: job too?

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Speaker 3: Is it legitimately? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it a better residence that I mean you were?

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Speaker 1: You have you have unique status to be able to

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Speaker 1: actually it is.

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Speaker 3: Make that case.

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Speaker 2: The White House is the grandeur of the White House

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Speaker 2: is it never gets old. But the but you really

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Speaker 2: do feel like you're in a gilded cage. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's so and and and the grounds of the of

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Speaker 2: the VP residents are really private and it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That was, in fact, the last time we saw each other.

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Speaker 1: I was, I was with you your your dad brought

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Speaker 1: me upstairs and h in the residence.

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Speaker 3: And to your point, that's you know, it's as grand

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Speaker 3: and extraordinary as it is. No one wants to be.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The last thing anyone wants to hear is someone saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not all that. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: that's a little claustrophobic. I mean, everybody around not a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense of freedom or privacy.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so get used to it. I was I

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Speaker 2: was hoping when I saw you that you we would

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Speaker 2: just dig in, that you would you know, I get

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Speaker 2: you one of those secret rooms. Stay.

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Speaker 1: Your dad brought me up by the way, Evan. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm talking out of school here, but he taught me.

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Speaker 1: He was on a tour that I think that was

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Speaker 1: for him. He was walking into closets. He said he

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Speaker 1: hadn't been in years and years, and he was discovery.

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Speaker 1: He's like, let's see what's behind this door, and there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of clothes that were stored. He goes, I

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Speaker 1: think that put that in six years four years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was what he was in one of those moods

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Speaker 1: where I think your mom had to come up to

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Speaker 1: get him because he was taking too much time with me.

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Speaker 3: That's which was fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that was a common occurrence and still is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So look, you've been making a lot of news lately

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Speaker 1: and and I think surprising a lot of people as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you showed up and I appreciate you showing

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Speaker 1: up where you've been showing up. I spent three hours

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Speaker 1: with Sean Ryan myself, and there you are with Sean

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Speaker 1: Ryan forming avcl someone who was out there very critical.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I remember walking to Sean Ryan set and

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Speaker 1: right up above the door it said let's go Brandon

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Speaker 1: with Ryan, and you were there with Candice Owens recently

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Speaker 1: and back on X and and and blowing up the internet.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, the obvious first question, Hunter is

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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to uh?

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Speaker 1: You know the bright lights and UH and what was

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Speaker 1: what's what was the trigger? Man, what was the inspiration

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Speaker 1: to come back out and really tell your story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. Uh. The way that I number one is,

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Speaker 2: you know, I learned a little bit and I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm being serious a little bit from you. I watched

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Speaker 2: that uh, that interview that you did with Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 2: and you know he had that line, uh when you

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Speaker 2: you know it's not by any you know, courage or

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Speaker 2: cash for seven years and trained to be a monk.

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Speaker 2: But but what I did learn is that there's an

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Speaker 2: enormous freedom in in owning your whole story. And and

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Speaker 2: so I felt more than anything, what I had an

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Speaker 2: who are suffering on a daily basis from from addiction.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's not something that that any of

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Speaker 2: us are unfamiliar you're with, I mean, anybody. Everybody's got

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Speaker 2: a best friend, a mom and dad, brothers, sister, a

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Speaker 2: love family member that or themselves that have that have

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Speaker 2: suffered from addiction. Now, not everybody was a crack addict,

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Speaker 2: things that probably one of the singular things that that

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Speaker 2: that binds us all. So whether it was Sean Ryan

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Speaker 2: and or Kendae Owens, who I thought that if I

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Speaker 2: had the opportunity to sit with her personally, that she

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Speaker 2: I don't think these people are bad people, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean they have very different political views than I have,

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Speaker 2: and I think that you have. But you know what

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Speaker 2: is that we're all just trying to figure it out, man,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I think that that's the reason in

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Speaker 2: more than anything, Like I'll tell you what I'm doing

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Speaker 2: now is that I joined a organization called Peak Path

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Speaker 2: Health and it's a rehab But what we're doing they

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Speaker 2: brought me on to build their foundation, and the foundation

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Speaker 2: is going to focus on aftercare, which I think is

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Speaker 2: the big missing gap in the recovery industry. Is you

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Speaker 2: get your thirty days and then you go back to

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Speaker 2: the same situation that you were in and your chances

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Speaker 2: of making it are really really slim. But these aftercare

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Speaker 2: a lot of the work that my sister does with

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Speaker 2: reason you know, they gave me a stage I'm going

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Speaker 1: Was there was there a trigger? I mean, was there

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Speaker 1: a conversation. Was there a moment where you said, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm done being you know, my story being

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Speaker 1: told by everybody else because you've been sober now it's

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Speaker 1: been seven years. You just posted it's been seven years

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Speaker 1: June first, twenty nineteen. And so throughout the presidency, throughout

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Speaker 1: your father's presidency, were you were cleaning sober? Yet you

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Speaker 1: were again your ass kicked twenty four to seven the

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Speaker 1: cover New York Posts more than any human being in

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Speaker 1: modern history. You just, you know, these guys, just debandon

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Speaker 1: these guys ging Rich, I mean, well not well Gingrich, sure,

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Speaker 1: but Julie, these guys and the weaponization of that laptop

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Speaker 3: Know, all of that, and you were quiet.

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Speaker 1: You were quiet then why you know what was the

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Speaker 1: moment where you said, I'm going to defend myself. I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was well, I felt like I had enough

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Speaker 2: distance from the politics of the administration. Uh you know

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Speaker 2: why now, like why right now? You know I needed

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Speaker 2: I needed that year to get my you know, to

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Speaker 2: know this is that the presidency, Uh, in my choice

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm fully aware that nobody really gives a

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Speaker 2: shit about Hunter Biden, but they gave a ship about

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Speaker 2: and they attacked the one thing that they knew my

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a a a play that is as

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Speaker 2: old as politics. But it was on a on a

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Speaker 2: about two hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. But

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Speaker 2: for the country, and what was best for my dad.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of out.

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Speaker 3: And was that I mean, was that debated?

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Speaker 1: Did you have conversations saying, look, they've crossed the line

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Speaker 3: It's not about me.

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Speaker 1: It is about my dad, and I need to protect

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Speaker 1: the integrity of our name, our family and just the

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Speaker 1: bullshit that's out there. I mean, were there moments where

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Speaker 1: forward and and say something, but he held back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean I understandswer to

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Speaker 2: ninety five percent of us is rent. You know, more

434
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Speaker 2: people rent today than as compared to ownership, than any

435
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Speaker 2: time in history. And so if you're thirty five years old,

436
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Speaker 2: married and you have two kids and you rent in

437
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Speaker 2: a house, that eight percent that goes up the next

438
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: year because of some guy. By the way, I'm not

439
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: talking about small landlords. I'm talking about these private equity

440
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: companies that have come and you got to make a

441
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: choice between whether you're going to stay in your house

442
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: or whether you're going to you know, be able to

443
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Speaker 2: buy food, or whether you're going to be able to

444
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: get diapers. And you're working two jobs and your wife

445
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: is working two jobs. It's just you know, people are

446
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: just trying to make it buy Yeah, you got it anyway.

447
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: No, look, I appreciate that.

448
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: And you know, without going down that rabbit hole though

449
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: as substance of it as is, I think it connects

450
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: things in more ways and more days and explains more

451
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: things to your point about the nihilism a lot of

452
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: young people feel, and this this sort of this belonging deficit,

453
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: dignity deficit where people don't feel connected, respected or protected broadly,

454
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: the algorithms sort of dialing up that outrage and people

455
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: dialing back now and giving into that despair, and many

456
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: people and going back to sort of the origin story

457
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: here self medicating and many people you know, struggling in

458
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: historic ways. And I want to go back to that

459
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, because you know, this really is, you know,

460
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Speaker 1: your journey is shared by, as you suggest, towards of

461
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: fifty million people. And you know, I just wrote it,

462
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: finished a book and talked about you know, I learned

463
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: so much in the process of writing a book.

464
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Speaker 3: You wrote a book in twenty twenty one, and I

465
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Speaker 3: imagine you.

466
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Speaker 1: Went through the same process of, you know, learning about

467
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: yourself and discovering things that you never knew about yourself,

468
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: your own motivations on the basis of your parents bio.

469
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Your grandparents bio. How they were born and raised. And

470
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: my grandfather spent four years prisoner war after marching in Corrigador,

471
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: came back broken, alcoholic, and ultimately took his own life.

472
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: And so this notion, you know that you share that

473
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: journey that that Plattner and others. There's grace in terms

474
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: of empathy and understanding some humility of the journey that people,

475
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: all of us are on in different ways. But your

476
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: journey for the last seven years has been pretty remarkable.

477
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: And you talked about painting and and and I think

478
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: big part of the origin story of the painting, if

479
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, was that was also part of your journey.

480
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: A catharsis your ability sort of substitute the habitual nature

481
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: of an addiction with a creative outlet and the dexterity,

482
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: the sort of rutinization of that art literally and figuratively

483
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: helping you with that recovery. And so the focus, I know,

484
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Tim and others focused on, well, all the art that

485
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: you sold, and you talk about it two hundred and

486
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars a year, hardly becoming a multimillionaire as

487
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: a distraction.

488
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: But for you, that was about your life.

489
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. And you know I painted my whole

490
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: life and since I was a kid and making art

491
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: since I was a kid, and and it was something

492
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: that always gave me a relief and a release. And

493
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: part of that is about you know, people that have

494
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: suffered from addiction before, and you can understand this, which

495
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: is the need to get out of your own head

496
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: is much more acute I think in addicts and any

497
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: than than the rest of us. And you know, and

498
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: painting is that because painting, for me, is that the

499
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: complete and other focus on the It's something that requires

500
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: your mental and physical coordination at the same time. And

501
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: Melissa and I just gotten married. I was newly clean

502
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: and sober and uh and she went out and she

503
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: bought me this table that is back in uh Malibu,

504
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: and and she put it out in this little kind

505
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: of shed that we had in the house that we

506
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: were staying at, the beautiful windows, and she bought me

507
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: some painting supplies and from that day, you know, I paint,

508
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: you know, hours a debt. I wake up, you know,

509
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: usually by uh five six, and I'm at that table.

510
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: When I'm back there, I'm in my studio and I

511
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: and I paint as long as I possibly can. And

512
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: it was it has given me a an incredible sense

513
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: of purpose because the other side of painting is this

514
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: is that the creative act in and of itself is

515
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing, but when you share it with somebody else,

516
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: it becomes almost an active courage. And I dont mean

517
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: that in the sense of whether you're whether you play

518
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: music or you sing, or you or you're a dancer,

519
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: or you're a painter or is it is really amazing

520
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: to do that in the confines of your own, you

521
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: know room, but there's this really thrilling and enthralling and

522
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: scary thing to do. Then share that with anybody else,

523
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: and that's what I did. It really was a beautiful thing.

524
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: You know that. The name of the book that I

525
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: wrote was that, and the title came from bow To

526
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: when he was dying said he had lost a lot

527
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: of his ability to speak because of the ephasia that

528
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: occurred because the crany old resections. And but we had

529
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: a little like code together, and he would just say

530
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: beautiful things. And he didn't mean beautiful things like possessions.

531
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: He meant beautiful things like family, beautiful things like nature,

532
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: beautiful things like uh, like my love of painting and

533
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: and uh. And that's kind of the where I've I've

534
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: ended up as my entire focus is on trying to

535
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: focus on those beautiful things, which sometimes can come off

536
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: as zingers on X. And when I'm talking about Don Jr.

537
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: That's a beautiful thing.

538
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: I think about you, And I mean, obviously you know,

539
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: and you've talked a lot about it, you were in

540
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: a lot about it, and your dad spoke and so

541
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: extraordinarily openly about Boe and but but you know, growing

542
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: up and you guys, you know, just the tragedy both

543
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: of you survived, and the bond that you guys had

544
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: and in the relationship that was you know, you have

545
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: brother the relationships are you know, often close, but this

546
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: was the next level relationship in terms of what you

547
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: guys were forged and and and the experiences.

548
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: You both shared.

549
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: But what was it like just growing up in the

550
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: spotlight of a father who, you know, before he was president,

551
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: vice president, before his vice president was a candidate for president,

552
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: was a dominant force for decades and decades, youngest center

553
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: in history and thirty good even get sworn in when

554
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: he was originally elected. But what was it like growing

555
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: up in a political family? I mean, was it was

556
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: it just you know, peaches and strawberries, It was you know,

557
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: fantastic and privilege or was it you know, man held

558
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: to a different standard?

559
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: How was that growing up?

560
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Now? You know, growing up in I always say that

561
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: that I in part because of my dad, but also

562
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: in part because of the state of Delaware. You know,

563
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Delaware is a small place, and I think it's population

564
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: just you know, south of a million still right now,

565
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: even you know, smaller nineteen seventy two when that first

566
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: got elected, probably around six hundred thousand or so. And

567
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: by virtue of that, like you know, my dad was

568
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: Joe to everybody, And by virtue of the accident when

569
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: my mom and my brother and I were in when

570
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: my mom and my sister were killed, is that the

571
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: whole kind of state you know, adopted us and we had,

572
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: you know, literal you know, everybody was an aunt and

573
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: uncle and which was really it was a beautiful thing.

574
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: And so Delaware always felt like family and felt like home,

575
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: and with the same kind of treatment, like if I

576
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: got pulled over by a cop for speed and you know,

577
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: the cop didn't go, well, you know, mister Biden will

578
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: let you off this time, they said to your task's

579
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: going to kick your ass. I can't wait for I

580
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: see him down at the train station. And so that

581
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: we didn't grow up in d C. You know, I

582
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: said something the other day, I said, you know, Mike,

583
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: the way in which they treated Dad. At the end

584
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, after the debate, I said his

585
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: part and the reason was he was never a part

586
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: of that elite insider d C press. And somebody said,

587
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people said, well, that's the

588
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You're trying to tell

589
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: me that somebody that spends fifty years in Washington, d C.

590
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: There was chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, that was

591
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: a vice president, that was a president, wasn't inside d C.

592
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: And what I wanted to say is that, well, you

593
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: don't know d C. If you don't know that my

594
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: dad went home every day. That means something. He did

595
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: not show up at the Georgetown cocktail parties. He was

596
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: not at the you know, the the Aaronson's House on

597
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: Sunday with the other Supreme Court justices. And you know,

598
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean like there is a and I know that

599
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: world because I lived there for myself for a while,

600
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: which he never did. And and so for that reason,

601
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: my childhood was uh was was normal and as much

602
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: as it possibly could be, even though dad was a

603
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: United States senator. And you know, now, did we get

604
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: to do some cool stuff? Yeah, I mean we used

605
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: to go down on the train and and hang out

606
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: with my dad anytime that we wanted to. In the

607
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: Senate and uh, you know was one of the most

608
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: increasing I love the Senate. I love the history of

609
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: those buildings, and I loved being there to watch and

610
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: also because of my mom's death, a lot of the

611
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: old uh like really uh names nobody will remember now

612
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: except in their home states. But like Mike Mansfield and

613
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: and and Danny and Oway who is my hero and

614
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: uh you know, and the list goes on. Teddy Kennedy

615
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: uh took us under their wing, which was incredibly privileged

616
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: thing to do. I got to meet men and women

617
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: that I think and body Bob Dole, you know, who

618
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: was a cervic guy, but he loved me, I mean

619
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: me and Bow and we got to go in the

620
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: cloak room and do things and see that and see

621
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: uh history unfold. And it was an incredible childhood from

622
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: that perspective. And what I learned in that is that

623
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: politics done uh nobly is a noble thing and uh

624
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: and I really believe that. And I think everybody goes, oh,

625
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, I don't like politics. Not a good politics.

626
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: I think it's such a cop out. It's like, you know,

627
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: because the truth of the matter is is that the

628
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: only way that we can sustain a constitutional republic and

629
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: this democracy is if we engage in politics. It doesn't

630
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: mean that we have to engage in no holds barred

631
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: partisanship where it's a zero sum game, but we have

632
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: to engage in politics. And my dad was the master

633
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: of finding a way through legislatively with people that no

634
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: one would have thought that he could have done that.

635
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: I mean, and for instance, the you know, like Pep Park,

636
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: the President's emergency plan for as really I mean, if

637
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: it were not for my dad, with with Jesse Hilmes

638
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: being able to bring him on board, for that, I

639
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: would have never gotten done. And all the credit goes

640
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: to U. You know well by the way, as you

641
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: and I both know, all the credit goes to Bono

642
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: and Bobby Shreiver, which is true. Yeah, but that that

643
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: that was my childhood. You know, what was it?

644
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: What was it like Hunter?

645
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: When you mean it must have been radically different as

646
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: vice president, meaning all of a sudden now it's secret service,

647
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: different levels of scrutiny.

648
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, completely different.

649
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: Was that? I mean? Was that did that?

650
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Speaker 1: Was that more of a shock of the system or

651
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Speaker 1: was it you know, because of all those reps and

652
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Speaker 1: because of your deeper understanding of you know, the ways

653
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Speaker 1: of of you know, within that court or at least

654
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: of d C and the whole way.

655
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Speaker 2: It was it was a radical difference and not one

656
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: that I was very comfortable with the pomp and circumstance

657
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: of it. And uh is it can be intoxicating, I

658
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: think at first, and and and then it can be

659
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: very overwhelming when you you're you fully understand that you're

660
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: you're very much not particularly as the son the second

661
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: son of the the Vice President of the United States States.

662
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 2: It's like, you're not You're not in you know, You're

663
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: not you know, like in the mix, you know what

664
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Speaker 2: I mean with the understandable assumption from people on the

665
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: outside that somehow that you know that you are and uh.

666
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Speaker 2: And I think one of the mistakes that I made

667
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: is that I I stayed in d C. The girls

668
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: were in school by that time. We had been in Delaware.

669
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Speaker 2: I'd moved back down to d C because I had

670
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: started my law froom. I tried to commute like BO did,

671
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: but I had taken a job as an adjunct professor

672
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: at Georgetown University's Master's program on the School Foreign Service,

673
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: because at the time, I was the chairman of the

674
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: board of the World Food Program US, and so I

675
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: was traveling all over the world at like going to

676
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: hotspots like Lebanon and bay Rude during the searing refugee

677
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: crisis and a typhoon, high End and and and all

678
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: these things. And I was teaching at Georgetown, and I

679
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: had my business, and the idea of commuting back and

680
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: forth just became too much for me. As I always

681
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: said to my dad, I said, when I'm late to

682
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: a meeting. People leave when you're late to a meeting,

683
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: they wait. And it was a mistake on my part though,

684
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: because I really I don't I don't dislike DC, but

685
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: the the but it's a company town. It's very much

686
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: a company town, and everything is about, you know, proximity

687
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: to power and and people are not are not shy

688
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: about it, and it's just it kind of SAPs your

689
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: soul to to a certain degree, you know. I mean

690
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: that was my experience. And again though, it's like what

691
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: an honor like to be able to say what it's

692
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: like inside the Vice President's residence, Like like who gets

693
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: to say that? And I don't like or to be

694
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: able to even have remotely at criticism of being able

695
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: to stay over at your dad's house. And it happened

696
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: to be the White House. Like I only stayed in

697
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: the I was only in the White House, Uh, probably

698
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: forty nights because we were out with the U in

699
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: in the great state of California, which, by the way,

700
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: I will tell you this. I've had so many people

701
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: say when are you coming home? And I say to them,

702
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: are you out of your mind?

703
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: There we go?

704
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: I wait every day, it's seventy five degrees in sunny,

705
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: and I'm looking out at the Pacific Ocean and I

706
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm going to lunch in the Hollywood Hills,

707
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: and I think, like, what where would you ever want

708
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: to live other than maybe, you know, a couple hours

709
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: north of there. I mean, it's amazing. But anyway, the

710
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: it was tough, not tough in the sense of like,

711
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: oh it was a hardship, but it just wasn't my

712
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: style and and and anyway, you know it it uh,

713
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: it kind of all fell apart at one point after died.

714
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then you started, I mean, that's when

715
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: the sort of spiral of addiction started to take shape.

716
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: And have your best friend to call every day, your

717
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: father's devastated, you know, you know, everybody you.

718
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: Know people even you know.

719
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's when that I mean, forgive me, but now

720
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking back, just that was the time.

721
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: Obviously the marriage came to an end as well.

722
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all almost simultaneously. And it was I was

723
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: I was a drift. I was totally drift. And I

724
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: say this not for the shock value of it. I

725
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: was trying to commit suicide, but I didn't have the

726
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: courage to do it. In a way that would have

727
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: been immediate and final. It was when I first smoke crack.

728
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: It was a conscious choice. I'm going to do the

729
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: single thing that is probably the most destructive thing that

730
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: I can do. And I walked out of a of

731
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: a of a rehabilitation center, an outpatient program that I

732
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: had been in for a period of time because everybody

733
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: was worried to death for me and and a whole

734
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: long story, but they wouldn't let me back in the program.

735
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Speaker 2: And then I walked to Lincoln Park, which was, you know,

736
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: uh about two blocks from this program, and I knew

737
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: a woman that had been you know, I had known

738
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Speaker 2: her because I'd worked in the area for you know,

739
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: a worker lived in the area for twenty years and

740
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: everybody called her Bicycles and she was crack addic and

741
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: everybody knew she was crack attic and she was funny

742
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: as shit and she and I walked up to her

743
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: and said, going to buy some pack and she said sure.

744
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: And that was the and then you know, that was

745
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: became at that time a three year odyssey like no other.

746
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for you you know, it's and you can

747
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: imagine for people. I'll speak for myself but I imagine

748
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: millions of others just to hear you, especially you know,

749
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: I mean on the CANISO and podcast to just say it,

750
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: own it and say quote unquote, yeah I was a crackhead.

751
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Which is a hell of a thing to say, is

752
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: what was said about you. But your willingness to just

753
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: own that again, yeah, is that? I mean, was there

754
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: a moment when it just you're like, you know, and

755
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: I keep going back to this question because it's it's

756
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: a hell of a statement just to to you know,

757
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: to claim something talk about courage, yeah, and humility.

758
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: In that respect.

759
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: So unlike most people that are you know, publicly humiliated

760
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: because it's something they've done, something they've said that or

761
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it might be, justify so or or

762
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: unfairly is that it didn't happen in a drip trip.

763
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: For me, it all happened at once. All the pictures

764
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: were out, all one hundred and thirty thousand emails that

765
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: were stolen, all thirty thousand text messages, all you know,

766
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: ninety eight thousand photographs and videos, every voicemail that I

767
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: ever left anybody. They had hacked my iCloud and several

768
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: different devices, including a laptop, including another laptop that was

769
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: stolen in Las Vegas, including a phone. And by the way,

770
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: this isn't like conjecture on my part. They all it's

771
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: all out there. They all that each one of these

772
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: people that participated in this operation and they ended up

773
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: getting in a fight with each other and who It's

774
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: like who got what?

775
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: And Hunter who? I mean who? For those that aren't familiar,

776
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, who are the who? What was it this?

777
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of conversation Russian disinformation.

778
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: We I talked to her about Bannon and you know,

779
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: obviously Rudy.

780
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: So you know that there's this whole thing about hind

781
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: that this idea that that when those forty intelligence officers

782
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: wrote that this has all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation

783
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: and you know twitters, you know, uh, you know Twitter

784
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: sphere kind of and then Maga is you know, like

785
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: you lie to us. This is you know, the laptop

786
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: was real? The laptop and I keep saying, is all

787
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: a red hearing? Is that what the what those forty

788
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: intelligence officials were talking about is that they were talking

789
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: about an ongoing Russian operation that was identified by the

790
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: Justice Department under Donald Trump that involved a guy named

791
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: Andre derikatch Constantine Kulik, tell Azenko, a guy named Dimitri

792
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: Fertash who Rudy Giuliani was taking information from literally Dosier's.

793
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: He filmed it on Oan. He did a documentary in

794
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: real time with him in Leb Parnes and Igor Fruhman

795
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: and about searching for my laptop that was being offered

796
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: for sale inside of Ukraine and Russia and Austria by

797
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: a guy named Dmfi Fertash. That all was happening before

798
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: the laptop repair shop guy was a twinkle in Rudy

799
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: Giuliani's eye, okay. And what happened was is that the

800
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: only thing that the laptop proved a quote unquote laptop

801
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: hard drive, iCloud hack, whatever you want to call it.

802
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: The only thing that proved is that I was a

803
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: degenerate crackhead doing degenerate crackhead things. And when I say that,

804
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: all consensual things, you know, because what happened next is

805
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: this is I did the New Yorker interview right in

806
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, right when I got a sober. I got

807
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: a call from Adam Intos from the New Yorker, and

808
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: I loved the New Yorker, and I mean, when I

809
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: was a kid, I mean, I always thought that I

810
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: would be able to be a poet and have my art,

811
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: my poetry in the New Yorker and so and the

812
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: only reason I took his call was because of that.

813
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: And I ended up making one of the best decisions

814
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: of my life because Adam is a really fine writer.

815
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: And he listened, and the story ostensibly started about barisma,

816
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: and it ended up being about the fact that I

817
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: was deep into it, coming out of a deep addiction.

818
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: And that came out in July of twenty nineteen, and

819
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: the first call that he got was from Steve Bannon,

820
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: who said, m Efer, you scooped us, because that was

821
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: their plan. What they were going to do is they

822
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: were going to release all of the images from the

823
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: laptop of me, you know, in compromising sexual positions and

824
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, you know, people taking pictures of me with

825
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: the cracked pipe in my mouth and things like that,

826
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: and that was going to be the October surprise. But

827
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: I took it away from him. And so what they

828
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: did is they concocted this other thing. They held onto

829
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 2: it all the way up until October of twenty twenty.

830
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, what had been happening. Is all

831
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: of those Dimitri Fertash, Constantine Cooley, tell A Zenko, all

832
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: of the Andre Diurkash had all been sanctioned by the

833
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: US government by the Trump administration for running a election

834
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: interference operation inside of the United States because they were

835
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: feeding to a guy named Alexander Smirnov a bribery charge

836
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden took a bribe on behalf of his

837
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: father from the Ukrainians. And that's what Rudy did. So

838
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: Rudy walks out onto the Newcastle County Courthouse, Delaware, and

839
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: he does two things. He said that this is evidence

840
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: of criminal activity in Hunter Biden and is being paid

841
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: by the Ukrainians like the government, and the Chinese like

842
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: the government, of which neither one of those things is

843
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: even remotely true. And he said, and this contains evidence

844
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: of inappropriate images of children, which obviously is not true. Nope,

845
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: which is like beyond. But you know what it is.

846
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: It's the oldest trick in the book. It literally was

847
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: started by the Nazis and Putin then deployed it in

848
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: two that Rachel Maddow talks about this all the time.

849
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: It's called eliminationist rhetoric. If they can get anyone to

850
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: believe that you're a pedophile, then the ability for them

851
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: to get it. Say, they go out and they say

852
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: that it doesn't bear any resemblance to anything. If ten

853
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: percent of their community believe that, then sixty percent can

854
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: believe that you're capable of bribery. Seventy percent think that

855
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: you're capable of undue influence, I mean, And so that's

856
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: what they did. And it's like everybody else dismisses that

857
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: part about it. But then when you had the New

858
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: York Post come along and they literally all they did

859
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: didn't matter what the headline is, what it was about.

860
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 2: It was a picture of me in a motel room

861
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: smoking a pipe or or and with my shirt off

862
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: with a woman that was blurred out, and it's like,

863
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: this is your degenerate and tell me that he's not

864
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: also capable of, you know, you know, taking a bribe.

865
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: And that's what they did and to great effects, you know,

866
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: I mean, people forget is that I had a My

867
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: criminal prosecution was completely sewn up after four different US

868
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: attorneys and investigating crime tax at the Department of Justice,

869
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Main Justice, the FBI, the IRS, IRS, criminal Investigations Division,

870
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: and they'd all come to the conclusion that I had

871
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: not committed a felony offense in any way, and I

872
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: was getting a I entered into a plea agreement in

873
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: which I was going to plead guilty to two misdemeanors,

874
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: which were failure to file my taxes on time because

875
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: I had paid all my taxes with penalties and interest,

876
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: and a diversion agreement because they say that I had

877
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: purchased a gun at a time when I should have

878
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: known that I was addicted to a controlled substance, which,

879
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: by the way, is the correct thing, is the correct result.

880
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: And so I signed that agreement, and they signed the agreement.

881
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: And so I have assigned agreement with the US Attorney

882
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: in the state of Delaware approval with krim tax, completely

883
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: independent from Maine Justice or anybody in manjestice making a decision.

884
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: And I go to court and they blow it up.

885
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: They bring in these two prosecutors from Baltimore that had

886
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: never been a part of the case. And after and

887
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: there were four amicas briefs sent into the court, not

888
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: as before any decision was made that said, like from

889
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation, everybody that you know, a list of

890
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: four thousand crimes I had committed. Fox News and the

891
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: Murdoch Empire and everybody in the magosphere like went full

892
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: force for forty six days, which is totally unheard of

893
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: that I would have been had a plea agreement and

894
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: not be arraigned on that agreement within seventy two hours.

895
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: But they delayed it. And when it came to the court,

896
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: the court said, mister Biden, you have an immunity clause

897
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: in here, which is normal for a plea agreement. Of course,

898
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 2: you don't sign a plea agreement without an immunity's clause

899
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: because you don't want the government to come back and say,

900
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: oh no, we decided that. And it sounds to me

901
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: like the the attorney is saying that that community would

902
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: not apply to you know, X Y or Z. And

903
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: I said, well, it's it's a signed agreement. We're done

904
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: here here on her like this is over. She said,

905
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: well I don't think so, and she and they and

906
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: they purposely blew up the agreement completely and then they

907
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: charged me with things that they've never charged anybody before with.

908
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: But that was the whole kind of trajectory of of

909
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: all of this, and your original question, though, was this

910
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: long lost in my my fifty six year old brain,

911
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: and I don't know if I'm going to be able

912
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: to get back to us, no.

913
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: Hunter, What I mean, was it just the just the

914
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: external political pressure that that this around sound, that sort

915
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: of grievance, the organization of that agreements against you your

916
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: dad that was coming out of you know, Newsmax one

917
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: American News Fox Murdock ink. I mean, it was just

918
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven that just created the pressure on

919
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: the Justice Department to reconsider the judge. I mean, where,

920
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: why did that? Why why the sudden shift after agreement period?

921
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: It was just political pressure, pure, pure, pure, pure political pressure.

922
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: You know. They literally there were so many death threats

923
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: against the US the assistant US Attorney who was a

924
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: twenty year veteran at the US Attorney's Office in Delaware

925
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: for entering into the agreement, and the U S Attorney

926
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: that she had to go into hiding, and they brought

927
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: in these two guys from Baltimore, the tame two guys

928
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: that that you know, uh prosecuted the Democratic mayor in

929
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: the state and city of Baltimore and the the district

930
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: attorney and like they you know they were riding high

931
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: on you know, this thing and and and that's exactly why.

932
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: And the U S Attorney got just absolutely excoriated until

933
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: the point where he then you know, ripped up the

934
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: plea agreement, which you can't do. But but we're and

935
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: and and applied for didn't apply. He says he's going

936
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: to be special counsel, which is unheard of by the

937
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: way that a sitting US attorney was also a special council.

938
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: It's in complete violation of the statute as written. And

939
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: so he becomes special counsel. And before the uh statute

940
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: of limitations is up on both of those things, they

941
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: charged me with, you know, six feltonies and like, you know,

942
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: what's what what are you going to do? Is I

943
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: say to everybody, is that the idea that uh, the

944
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: chances of beating the federal government, uh, you know, in

945
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: a in a in a criminal case or really really

946
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: really slim. I mean that's why they have you know,

947
00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: ninety five percent conviction rates the full force of the

948
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: Justice Department when it descends upon you. It's an awesome

949
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: thing to witness.

950
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: But it's impossible to hear this and just I mean

951
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: it's I mean, most folks listening and watching know this,

952
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: but it's important to mind everybody, this was happening when

953
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: your dad is president of the United States. This is

954
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: happening a Justice department with his handpicked Attorney general. And

955
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: yet your father continues to be criticized for tipping the

956
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: scale of justice and weaponizing the Department of Justice against

957
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: quote unquote his enemies. Meanwhile, his own son is being

958
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: prosecuted along these lines after a plea agreement was already signed.

959
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: Where I'm from, what you say something like that is

960
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: you can't make this ship up.

961
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you put it in terms all of us

962
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: can understand.

963
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: You can't make this exactly. But by the way, Dad

964
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: gets so mad, He's said, you got to stop cussing.

965
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: You got to stop cussing.

966
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: Well, I've never heard you like you did with with

967
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: Andrew when you did that first podcast.

968
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: That was man, you know, by the way, all earned,

969
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: all earned, all earned.

970
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And don't think I'm going to let you go

971
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: without getting into a little bit of those more contemporary

972
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: topics that triggered you back then.

973
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: Not that I'm here to trigger you necessarily.

974
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: But no, no, I'm not triggered by.

975
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: It, but it's but a lot of it is worthy

976
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: of of some of some additional commentary. But but it's

977
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: a good segue then just the Department of Justice, this

978
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: notion of weaponization. Of course we've seen now Trump back

979
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: in office, your father feeling, you know, and I don't

980
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: want to get down the rabbit hole of you know,

981
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: your father, you know, surf shifting his own mindset as

982
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: it relates to the part in at the end of

983
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: the day where you know, he was sort of holding

984
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: the line against it and ultimately realized on the other

985
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: side of this.

986
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: Is is yeah, is this is this is This is

987
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: another thing that I really feel that if I sat

988
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: in front of a lot of these people that are

989
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: an outsized voice within a conservative communities, there is no

990
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: more maggot in my opinion, Okay, And if it is,

991
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: it's a very small percentage of what used to be

992
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: called the Republican Party, but there is still a genuine

993
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: conservative movement out there. And who's going to take the

994
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: mantle of the intellectual forefront of that. I don't know,

995
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine sitting not sitting in front of

996
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, looking him in the eye and saying, you know, Tucker,

997
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: my dad said that he wouldn't give me a pardon.

998
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: And he was absolutely, one hundred percent genuine about it

999
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 2: when he would say he wouldn't give me a parton,

1000
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: and he said it in a moment in time where

1001
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: he thought that he was going to be the next

1002
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: president of the United States, and there would be a

1003
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: Justice Department that would treat me fairly, and there would

1004
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: be a court system that would not be intimidated by

1005
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: a tyrant, that would not have an attorney general that

1006
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: is willing that it's his own personal attorney, or at

1007
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: that time, if you remember correctly, is that Matt Gates

1008
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: was going to become the Attorney General of the United States.

1009
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: Cash Betel has the head of FBI. I would have

1010
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: been under the supervision of the of the Bureau of

1011
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: Federal Prisons and Probation. The idea that they would not

1012
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: have violated I would not look for everything that I

1013
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: was convicted for. The idea that I would have gone

1014
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: to jail is zero zero under any circumstances. None. I

1015
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: was a first time offender. I had never like non

1016
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: violent victimist climbs on both of them, I paid all

1017
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: my taxes with penalties and interest. Anybody that was in

1018
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: my position would have been in a payment plan with

1019
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: the IRS through a settled a settlement. There's over one

1020
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: point six billion dollars in taxes owed by over a

1021
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: million people that make over a million dollars a year

1022
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: in the United States right now every year that have

1023
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: owed for over five years. By the way, I'm going

1024
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: to win the gun case. It's going to get overturned

1025
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court, I believe, unfortunately in the harmonic

1026
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: case that is about to come out right. So in

1027
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: a in a whether it was it a Biden administration

1028
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: or whoever. And by the way, if it was in

1029
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: a mid Romney administration, if it was in a John

1030
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: McCain administration, if it was in anybody that was an

1031
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: actual Republican and not a tyrant or fascist, my dad

1032
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: would not have pardoned me because I could, I could

1033
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: fend for myself in that system. I could take the lumps,

1034
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: I could continue on and I would be okay. But

1035
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,479
Speaker 2: the idea that you would leave anyone, and particularly your son,

1036
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: just I mean think about from that respect, literally, you

1037
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: all your Fourth Amendment rights are gone. Surch and teacher

1038
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: is no longer a constitutional right that you that you

1039
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: have an advantage of if you're a convicted felon, the

1040
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: ability for a probation officer at any time to enter

1041
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: your house without a warrant, to go into your room,

1042
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: to do anything that they want to do, to violate

1043
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: you in any way they choose, at any time of

1044
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: day or night. And it would have been like having

1045
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: a gun to my family's head for the next four

1046
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: years at least. And so that's why he pardoned me.

1047
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a really incredibly rational decision, and it

1048
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: was a really difficult decision. And you know how proud

1049
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: of my dad I am is. The fact of the

1050
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: matter is he chose me over his legacy, because no

1051
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: matter what you say, that's going to be the one

1052
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: of the first things that is written about him. And

1053
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: that's how you know, I say to people, that's how

1054
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: much you know my dad loves me.

1055
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 3: Oh, come on.

1056
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: He chose me over his political legacy for that reason.

1057
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: And I was with him the day you were indicted.

1058
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: We had a press conference out here in San Francisco.

1059
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: Is driving with him and the bear and I'll just

1060
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: that's a private story I'll share with you him talking

1061
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: about you, and he cut me off. We were talking

1062
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: about something else and he was not thinking about anything

1063
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: else except you in that day, understandably, and he was

1064
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: trying to indulge me and said some things man that

1065
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: for you know, have hardwired me, imprinted on me. That's

1066
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: where my loyalty will always be with your dad, just

1067
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: the love he as for you, and you know, forgive

1068
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: me just as a as a parent anyway.

1069
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: Man.

1070
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 3: So I just that's you, you know that.

1071
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: But boy, you know, just to be there at that

1072
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: moment and to hear that expression and the depth of

1073
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: that was was as a father and as someone who

1074
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: lost My father was a pronounced brother.

1075
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: But let me just.

1076
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: Look any seguas to you know, just to the you know,

1077
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: all that shit you took twenty four to seven surround

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Speaker 1: sound weaponization, all the you know, all of that, and

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Speaker 1: here we are fast forward with the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: We can you know, we don't even need to. We

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Speaker 1: can just blow past the January sixth stuff. Obviously, this

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Speaker 1: one point seven seven six billion dollar UH Weaponization fund

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Speaker 1: and and all the mischigosh there. But you know, come on, man,

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Speaker 1: you brought up junior Eric Kushnurse Albania, which coughs border

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Speaker 1: piece meme coins USC. I mean you were tweeting about

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Speaker 1: that today. Now there's a coin related to the USC.

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: We've got, you know, forget the days of Cologne. It's

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Speaker 1: Bibles and it's you know, first lady bibles, not just

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Speaker 1: Trump Bibles. You've got sneakers, we've got phones. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this grift is the likes of which we've You can't

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Speaker 1: even can't make this back to this. You can't make

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Speaker 1: this s and everything you went through.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they literally they they ruin it all. Like you

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01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: know what I like the UFC watching it. They ruined it.

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01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: They ruin it. It makes it hard, now, do you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? It literally does because everybody's got to

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Speaker 2: choose a side. They have to put it on the

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Speaker 2: goddamn South Lawn and in the middle of two and

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Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary. I mean, I can't understand why Dana White.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think against Dana White, but what the

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Speaker 2: fuck man, Like, it's your brand, Like, how are you

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Speaker 2: doing this? How are you doing this? How is this appropriate?

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: How is this appropriate? And I just don't get crypto.

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: Let me take it into crypto. I was red pilled a

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Speaker 2: long time ago as it released to bitcoin. I don't

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Speaker 2: care that I'm not. You know, meme coins. If you

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Speaker 2: talk to anybody between the age of eighteen and thirty five,

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01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: meme token of mean culture and tokens are something that

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Speaker 2: they fully completely understand. And you know what, there was

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01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: a lot of promise in that, a lot of freedom

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Speaker 2: in that, a lot of an idea in which your

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 2: level of attention could be something in which you could

1114
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: monetize that you could do micro transactions and create communities with.

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Speaker 2: They've totally distorted it and made it a total grift.

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look at bitcoin. I love the idea bitcoin

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Speaker 2: not coming from I don't know own any bitcoin. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't have two nickels to rub together.

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Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is that you have it.

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Speaker 2: I went sorry, sorry to get off on this tangent. Well,

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Speaker 2: when I was the chairman of the board of the

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Speaker 2: World Threugh Program, the US UN World Food Program, largest

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Speaker 2: humanitarian organization in the world. I ran the US part

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Speaker 2: of it, okay, which was responsible for sixty percent of

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Speaker 2: its budget, which we went from when I was chairman

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Speaker 2: from one point six billion dollars a year to two

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Speaker 2: point four billion dollars a year in which we were

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Speaker 2: able to raise and come at a US interest, fed

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Speaker 2: eighty million people in seventy three different countries on a

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Speaker 2: daily basis. Okay, so I would go to these hotspots,

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Speaker 2: so when there was a typhoon or was it a

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Speaker 2: natural disaster, or whether there's a war, and we would.

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Speaker 2: And World Food Program is always the first on the

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Speaker 2: ground because they have all the airlift of the UN

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01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: and so they bring in everybody else. And so it

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Speaker 2: was critical. And one of the pieces was is that

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Speaker 2: when you bring in refugees into these places, is that

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Speaker 2: they cannibalized the local economy, which is usually really unstable

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Speaker 2: at the time anyway, and so you bring in all

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Speaker 2: of this free food, and all of a sudden, then

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01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: you are these subsistence farmers and these local shops and

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: things they get that nobody's going to them anymore. And

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01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: so what we wanted to do is we wanted to

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Speaker 2: bring money into the into the communities, into the economy,

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: and rather than making the repugees a drain on it,

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01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: is that they're actually adding to it. And we had

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to be able to do

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Speaker 2: micro transactions that could be go through cell phones and

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01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: and it became the pilot program was incredibly successful. And

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Speaker 2: you realize like in places like Kabira and which is

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Speaker 2: the largest you know, former repugee slum in the world

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Speaker 2: in Nairobi and it and it is an entire working

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01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: economy and which you can go into a shack that

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Speaker 2: is the size of a closet to buy a Fanta

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Speaker 2: soda with a flip phone and for the equivalent of

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Speaker 2: seventeen cents. That's what cryptocurrency is, the true promise of

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: it outside of a banking system and which you have

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: to go through VAT or you have to go through

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: through you know, like by the way, like do I

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Speaker 2: trust that? Or Jamie Diamond, do you know what I mean?

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01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean? Like what's the I

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: And so anyway, my point is is they sully everything.

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Speaker 2: They sully everything, They tarnish everything. I mean, he made

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Speaker 2: thirty seven thousand trades in the first quarter of this year,

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Speaker 2: thirty seven thousand trades, more than most multi billion dollar

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Speaker 2: hedge funds make in a single quarter. And I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about like I mean, like he is a hyper trader,

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Speaker 2: and and he's trading stocks in large numbers of companies

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Speaker 2: like Dell and Navidia and Apple and what she's canning

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: out billion dollar contracts too. And by the way, those

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01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: trades directly coincide with whatever action that he's thinking. And

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Speaker 2: we do all sit here and go like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: and sorry to do this, but I have too much

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: fun doing it. And you know, Jake Brick, Tamblin, Tapper

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: sits and goes. But you know what, Joe Biden just

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: wrote a book that said that she believed in her husband.

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Speaker 2: It isn't that a crime? And it's like, what are

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Speaker 2: you all talking about? Excuse my languig. Sorry, he's gonna

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Speaker 2: kill me. I swear to I told him. I promised

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Speaker 2: I would, I would, I would try to stop cussing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, to your point, it's the it's it's

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Speaker 2: I think you know it's Steve Bannon thing though, okay

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: is that? And you know this and and you're about

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: to feel it in a way that's even more intense,

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 2: which doesn't seem possible. I promise you it is then

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Speaker 2: than it has been. Is a fire hose of falsehoods.

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01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 2: They are just opening this bigot and it it becomes

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01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 2: so overwhelming that even a captured press doesn't have to

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 2: you know, it makes his hard on any of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you focus on? Do you focus

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Speaker 2: on the gold shoes, or do you focus on the

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: new coin that they just released, or do you focus

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Speaker 2: on the six hundred and twenty million dollar Pentagon loan,

1194
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 2: largest ever made to any single company in the history

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Speaker 2: of the United States of America, to Don Junior for

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Speaker 2: a startup company about rare earth minerals. And they say

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Speaker 2: that I wasn't qualified to be on a board. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I mean, how in the world Jared Kushner

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Speaker 2: six point two billion dollars from Golf State, all of

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Speaker 2: it from Golf State, eighty million dollars in fees annually

1201
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 2: at a minimum before you get to carry on that investment.

1202
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: And he's taken it from people in which he's negotiating

1203
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,879
Speaker 2: a war on behalf of the United States of America

1204
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: that nobody wanted with ran that their interests are directly

1205
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: tied to Eric Trump. One hundred one point five billion

1206
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: dollar is really drove own company that made its that

1207
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: made its mark in Gaza with their drones selling in

1208
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: going public and selling into the DoD because they merged

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01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: with one of Eric's you know, like golf companies or something.

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I don't even know what

1211
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: the hell is, but they're open about it. They're standing

1212
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 2: there ringing the bell at the was. You know, they're

1213
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: not on the front page. And meanwhile New York Times

1214
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 2: had me on the front page for I don't know,

1215
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: seemed like four six and eighty days street with you know,

1216
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: Ken Vogel doing these you know, writing long form books

1217
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: about you know, whether or not the influence you know

1218
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Speaker 2: what they're talking about. Eighty five percent of that none

1219
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: of it had to do with it any time when

1220
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Speaker 2: my dad was president. Any of the business deals that

1221
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: they're talking about all happened when my dad was neither

1222
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 2: president nor vice president. This whole ten percent for the

1223
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: big guy thing. I didn't read that email. Some jack

1224
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 2: I wrote it to me trying to get me to

1225
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: be a part of a deal while my dad was

1226
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: out of office, even if it was true, which it

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01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: was not. There's no there's not even anything unethical about it.

1228
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden it becomes the tagline and

1229
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: people catch on to it. And you know, if you're

1230
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: Ken Vogel or Peter Baker or you know these guys,

1231
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: is like this false gospel of balance in the media

1232
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: is just it's like, you know, a scale has two pans,

1233
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: all right, and when you put a weight on one side,

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: the other side goes up. And that's a fact. And

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: we're supposed to believe that it's always an even way,

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01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: and it's not. There are facts, and there is truth,

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: and the truth is they are more corrupt than any

1238
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: single administration of all the competent and I'm talking about

1239
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: Andrew Johnson. Corrupt more than Andrew Johnson. I mean, go

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01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 2: back and read your history, and I've read it. No

1241
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: one even remotely comes close. My line is is if

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Speaker 2: they ever leave the White House, they're going to steal

1243
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: the copper pipes.

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Speaker 1: Or we've already he's already got the Declaration of Independence

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Speaker 1: on in the oval. So I'm not sure he distinguishes

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: whether or not it's ours or his.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, he doesn't even know what

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01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: it is. Remember when he pointed to it and he said,

1249
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Speaker 2: you know this, I forget he'd like referred to it

1250
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Speaker 2: as the Constitution or something. I mean, it really doesn't.

1251
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't know the significance of that document and what

1252
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: it means to the American people, just like he doesn't

1253
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 2: know the significance of what it means to but at

1254
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: that's south lawn, what it means to me, what it

1255
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: means to a normal person that has never been able

1256
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: to walk on that uh and never had the privilege

1257
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: of walking out those doors to that south lawn and

1258
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: thinking about that's where the helicopter took off with, you know,

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: with Lyndon Johnson when he left. That's where uh. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's the same law that Abraham Lincoln. There's the tree

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Speaker 2: that that Teddy Roosevelt planted, and he's putting a fucking

1262
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: cage and he's putting on a show bread and circus,

1263
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: Bread and circus. And by the way, that's all it

1264
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: is to him. The gold, the Rose Garden, the Oval

1265
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: Office is bread and circus. He knows what he's doing.

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01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: He knows that people are absolutely enthralled by it. And

1267
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: again and what it is, it's audacity versus authenticity, And

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: I am and I'm certain you know it can only

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: last so long. The question is what are we going

1270
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: to have to rebuild with that's really what I.

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Speaker 1: Think, and and and hunter to that, you know, and

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01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: again I'm mindful of our time.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Democratic Party.

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: You made oblique reference earlier in the conversation about the party.

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: I mean, what is what is to you? The Democratic Party?

1276
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 3: What is it? Is there a party? What is the party?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: The party? Is your dad? Is it? Is it? Bill?

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01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: And Hillary? Is it interested in the party? Nancy?

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all of it. It's all of it. It's

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01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: it's the it's the one thing I always say. It's

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: that Will Rogers line. And I'm not a part of

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01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm not a member of any organized party. I'm a

1284
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: Democrat And that's so true. And you know it is

1285
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: this is that I've never known in my life. And

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: you've been doing this your whole with other wife. When

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Speaker 2: have we ever had a Democratic Party before we had

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Speaker 2: a nominee, Until we get a nominee, until we get

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Speaker 2: somebody deleted, we do not have a Democratic Party has

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Speaker 2: never existed. It's never happened before. You know why it

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: is because we always are trying to find a way

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Speaker 2: and it looks like absolute chaos. But I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 2: when we get a nominee, we'll have a direction. Take

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Everybody sits around and particularly these guys that

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Speaker 2: I know that you're friends with, and I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to name names, and I'm not friends friends with, but

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Speaker 2: I do. You don't want to be enemies, so you

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Speaker 2: don't want me to, just as they're so smart and

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Speaker 2: they're all the ones that you know, the reason that

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Speaker 2: they're the reason that Barack Obama won.

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Speaker 3: So you're you're going right, you're hitting the axel rod

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean he is one. He wrote the speeches,

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: he did this, he did that. You know, he's the nominee,

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01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: you know, and twenty twenty would never be Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: never gonna Joe Biden would never win. He's by the way.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't because he was too old. Was because you know,

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Speaker 2: you needed you know, uh, you know, new fresh blood

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Speaker 2: and this that and the other thing. And his policies

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01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: are old and he doesn't he doesn't understand Washington anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'll never be able to get anything done. He's delusional.

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Speaker 2: He's living in a time that's gone by. You know

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Speaker 2: what my dad was. My dad was Joe Biden, and

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: everybody knew Joe Biden. He was the most authentic man

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Speaker 2: in politics at that time. Joe Biden may have misspoken,

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 2: but very rarely. The truth of the matter was his

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: gap was his was everyone else's truth. It didn't matter

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Speaker 2: what he said, and everybody would go But you know what,

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01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: it was never a lie. It was never fake. He

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Speaker 2: was never pretending And that's why he got eighty one

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Speaker 2: million votes because you know what Joe Biden knew Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: or what you knew about Joe Biden is this is

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Speaker 2: that if you are a waitress, let's say in Green Bay, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: and you're raised a Catholic, and you were a practicing Catholic,

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Speaker 2: and you worked two jobs and your husband worked at

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Speaker 2: the at one of the artifactories down south of there, Okay,

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01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: and you look at Joe Biden and you see all

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Speaker 2: these ads about transgenderism. Okay. You know what you knew

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: about Joe Biden was he as as confused about it

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Speaker 2: as you are. But you know what he also you

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01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: knew about Joe Biden is that if he told you

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Speaker 2: that it's not that we are America and we are

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Speaker 2: diverse enough that we can have a that this isn't

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01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: an issue. The issue is whether or not you're going

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Speaker 2: to be able to send you to school or you

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01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: know what, if you are a truck driver in Scranton. Okay,

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01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: you're a team star in Scranton, and you're you're you're

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 2: a pro life, but you're a Democrat in terms of

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 2: the principles that you have in terms of workingman and

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01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: you know, union jobs and everything like that. You know what,

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, Joe Biden's not going to shove his religion

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Speaker 2: down your throat or they're the lack there of it.

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Speaker 2: That's why he got eighty one million votes because he

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Speaker 2: was one of them, and he really was one of them.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't made up. He you know this,

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Speaker 2: He is that and they knew that. And that's why

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01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: he got seven million more votes than anybody that has

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Speaker 2: ever run for president, not because he was purely Barack

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Speaker 2: Obama's vice president, not because people Look, if it was

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: because people hated Trump so much, then what changed in

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Speaker 2: four years? In thirty four felony convictions a you know,

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01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: the egg Carol case, you know, stealing documents from the

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01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, classified doct Like people's views didn't change on

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01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: Trump anymore or less, but he got eighty one million

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Speaker 2: votes because of that. He got eighty one million votes

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01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 2: because my dad believed that everybody should have a fair chance.

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Speaker 2: And you know what that meant in terms of everybody,

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01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: It meant the people that he even disagreed with, and

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: so they were willing to come out to vote for

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Speaker 2: him for that reason. And I don't know what these

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Speaker 2: guys that are all the smart guys in the room

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01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: are in terms of they're not and never will be

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Speaker 2: the leaders of the Democratic Party. You will be, I believe,

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Speaker 2: or whoever wins the nomination. I'm not saying that you're

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 2: running and I'm not doing any of this, and I'm

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01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: not doing any of that, I promise I'm not putting

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Speaker 2: in the position. But I'm saying if you do, when

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Speaker 2: you win, then you come the leader of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 2: and people fall in line, just just like they fell

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Speaker 2: in line with the message of Joe Biden in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty and we won by eight million votes. And so

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Speaker 2: that's what I think about. You know, you're not as.

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01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 1: Panicked about the Democratic Party brand in that context that

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Speaker 1: it starts to resolve itself as we move through midterms

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Speaker 1: and then get to the other side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what I mean, I know I'm

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Speaker 2: not because you know what, you know, he's a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Zoramm Donny. You know who's a Democrat? Grand Platter? You

1379
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: know it's a Democrat. Abigail Stanberger. You know who's a Democrat?

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I just can keep going down

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: the list. You know it's a Democrat, AOC. You know

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Speaker 2: it's a Democrat. Bernie Sanders. You know it's a Democrat.

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01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: Is James tel Rico in Texas. You know who's a

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01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 2: Democrat is Harvey Rissa in California. You know, I mean

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Speaker 2: the diversity of the number of people that I just named,

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Speaker 2: but all believe in one thing. Is they believe in

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Speaker 2: the constitutional republic. They believe in the democracy. They believe

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: that people should have a fighting chance. They believe that

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Speaker 2: the billionaire class should not be completely in control of

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Speaker 2: all of the policies that we're making. Now, do I

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01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 2: think that we need radical change in leadership once those

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Speaker 2: people get into positions of power. Absolutely, we got to

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Speaker 2: break the cycle of us being beholden to the corporate

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Speaker 2: class in this party. And you and I think that'll happen.

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Speaker 2: But you got to add some of these new voices

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Speaker 2: in there, and I think it'll benefit us all. I

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01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 2: have faith that with some truth and reconciliation in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, or even beginning in twenty twenty six now

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Speaker 2: in November, that we can stem not to stem the tide,

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Speaker 2: but I think that the most incredible changes always occur

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 2: at the This is always the case throughout history. You

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01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: need to go through the pain to It's just like recovery.

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01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 2: I believe that we all need as a nation be

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01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: in recovery. And in that recovery, what you realize is

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: that all the pain that you went through is all

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: the power that you have Now. I think the country

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Speaker 2: can do the same thing. I truly do believe that.

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Speaker 1: The autopsy, what'd you make of the whole autopsy?

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Speaker 2: Well, number one, I think that the criticism of the

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Speaker 2: of the chairman is so unfair. I mean, I think

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01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 2: that he's trying to do a job, and I mean

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01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: he just get ripped, you know, riffed both ways and

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Speaker 2: backwards and forest. You know, I now understand this idea

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Speaker 2: that it is. You know that that it's important to

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01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,879
Speaker 2: do a you know, an internal review of your process

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: and what happened and how you can do better. But

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 2: why that has to be a you know, like a

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Speaker 2: public spectacle. I mean, what a bunch of bullshit. What

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01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 2: company would ever do that? Like if you're a company, okay,

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: and you had a goal and say, you know what

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Speaker 2: it is, New Coke. Okay, New Coke comes out it

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01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: was a spectacular failure. Okay, the CEO of Coke didn't

1423
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't forced to then go out and say, you know, okay,

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01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 2: how did it go so wrong? Well, we're going to

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01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: go to the market and what we're gonna do is

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01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna late, We're gonna pull down our pants, and

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01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: we're going to tell you how stupid we were to

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01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 2: you know, to brand ourselves New Coke and you know

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01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: and and kill you know, almost kill this brand. No

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01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 2: companies ever expected to do that because it's completely counterproductive

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01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: to the brand. So all these people calling for like

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Speaker 2: a public lashing, what do they want? You know, it's Gaza,

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01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, what a bunch of bullshit. It's not just Gaza,

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01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: it's Israel. No, what a bunch of bullshit. It's not

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01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: just Israel, you know, it's leadership. It's not what we

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01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 2: we as democrats are going to figure it out. But

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01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: we're only going to figure it out when we find

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: a leader, and we find a leader of the party

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01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: when we end up going through this primary process, and

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01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: I think then that that leader is going to be

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 2: determined upon them and their team of people and the

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01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: people that they bring along to embolden us with a

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01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 2: message that I hope includes action and some real radical

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01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 2: plans for uh, for changing things reform. People are angry,

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01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: and people are angry for good reason.

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: And I you know, I love the tonality and you

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01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: see you've been saying it, and I cannot agree with

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01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: you more in terms of just you know, we can't

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01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: pave over the old cow path. Uh, you know, we

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01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: can't be sort of you know, managed to decline more

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01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: efficiently or effectively. I think people notably and rightfully are

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01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: demanding something. And you use the word radically, which is

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01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: a loaded word, but something dramatic different.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you just.

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Speaker 2: You can't say it, but I can. Yeah, you can

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01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: say with that. And that's the beauty, by the way,

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01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: that's the completely unfair advantage that I have over you

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01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: is like, and I really mean this, it's not fair.

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01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: It's like I can say it because I don't then

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 2: have to do it. And and but I really I

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01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: think that I think people are ready for radical in

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01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: the best sense of the word.

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Speaker 3: In the best sense. When's your book coming out? Come on?

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Speaker 3: Tell me you don't you're not thinking about another book?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, No, I am I and I and I've

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01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 2: written it and I'm and I'm. What I'm gonna do

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: is I'm going to release it on substack in serial form.

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Speaker 2: And how cool is that? Like once a week or

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Speaker 2: once every few days. And so I wrote two books

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Speaker 2: I want. I basically wrote one book about the like

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Speaker 2: the internal experience, like from from the end of the

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Speaker 2: last book for those like past seven years. And then

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Speaker 2: I wrote another book which is kind of like a

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01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: like a like a thriller. Unfortunately, the eating characters are

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01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 2: like Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, like what was happening

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01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 2: in the rooms that I was not in, which is

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01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 2: really fascinating and interesting. And I'm going to do that

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Speaker 2: on sub stack and I and and more than anything,

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Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing is that this uh uh

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Speaker 2: uh organization that I'm working with now, Peak Path Health,

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01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: is there their rehab up in up in the Hollywood

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01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Hills and they have about forty beds and the two

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01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: people the right that that run it in are that

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01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: the day to day Dustin and Glennis are it was

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01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: like twenty five years of recovery between them. They've been

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01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,879
Speaker 2: to many rehabs as I have, and they're just wonderful

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01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 2: people and and they do an incredible job. And this

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01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 2: idea of a free aftercare in in l A. And

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01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: there's a there's a I think a property that we

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Speaker 2: this incredible couple may donate to us, and that's what

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01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: I really want to build. And then the other thing

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Speaker 2: that I'm doing in la Is around rent Is is

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01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: Boston Universal, which is you probably know BOSTA is a

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Speaker 2: Boston Universal is the largest tenants rights UH, free tense

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Speaker 2: rights UH and homeless prevention group in southern l A.

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Speaker 2: And i'm their development director UH there because I think

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Speaker 2: that there's a real link between people staying in their

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Speaker 2: homes and homelessness and addiction that is not always a

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01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: straight line one way or another, and so that those

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Speaker 2: are the two things that I'm most focused on.

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Speaker 1: I love it so sub Stack, you know, reminds me

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01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: of one of the few things my inheritance with my

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01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: father was hardly as wit and witticism.

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01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: It was.

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01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: It was a few books and your poetry from Yates

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01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: and he said he did leave me one extraordinary book,

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01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: which is Pickwick Paper from Dickens. And it was done

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Speaker 1: in pamphlets how they originally published books.

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Speaker 3: It was done on a monthly basis, and you would

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01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 3: just wait for the next pamphlet. So you're of you know,

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01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 3: you're bringing back a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, that's how I got the idea of doing it.

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01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: And John Irving used to talk about that, you know,

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01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 2: the the you know world occurring garb and stuff, because

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01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 2: he did this whole thing about how Dickens used to

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01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: write his books and it would come out in Cereal

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01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 2: for him. And you know, there's this thing with substack

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01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 2: where like it's kind of really cool, like you're waiting

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01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 2: for the next chapter. Whether that's you know, every week,

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01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 2: and it's every week. It won't there's too many chapters. Yeah,

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01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: you got to be the next year. But I'll do

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01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: it a little bit faster paced, but good. I think

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01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: it'll be really cool.

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01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: So last question, I mean, just for all the cynics

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Speaker 1: out there, and by the way, I want you and

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01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Tapper to you got to if you've got to show

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01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: up on Candice Owens and you want to be on

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01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: with Tucker everyone, you and Tamper have to have it out.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, but that may not happen.

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01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, may not, may not.

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Speaker 3: But what to the cynics out there? And you you

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01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 3: you name Chuck Tapper in.

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Speaker 1: Terms of just you know your mom's book and you

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01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: know your dad's coming out with his book later the year.

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01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you what do you say? Because

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: I have strong opinions on this, but just in closing,

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01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear yours. You know this idea that somehow,

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01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: once you're once you know, we turned the page on

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01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: one administration and family, we're supposed to just move on

1541
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: and never hear from them again. This idea that, yes,

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Speaker 1: that they don't have a voice.

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Speaker 3: What do you what do you make of that? Why

1544
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: writing books? Why are they never?

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01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: Look? Okay? I is what I said? Is it like, oh,

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01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 2: you know what what they were going to do is

1547
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: they were going to go and and and and uh

1548
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: gin up the sneaker factory, the gold sneaker tackery in Vietnam,

1549
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 2: and that business was taken. So they were going to

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01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: then go into into crypto, but you know that was

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01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: a little bit corner. So they decided on gold plated

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01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 2: mobile phones. But Dad had a better idea. He thought

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01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 2: maybe they could sell Biden branded bibles and that's how

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01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: they could make a living. All of those things were taken,

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01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: and so you know what they decided to do. They

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01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: decided to do with every first lady and president in

1557
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 2: modern history has done. They both decided to write a book.

1558
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 2: One has to come out before the other, and so

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01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 2: Mom went first. And you know who did that also,

1560
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 2: Michelle and Barack Obama. You know else did that? Hillary

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01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: and Bill Clinton, George Bush and the First Lady and

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01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 2: Georgia Kerbet Walker Bush, I mean, and Barbara Bush and

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01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan and Nancy and I mean, like what are

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01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: we talking about here? I mean it's like, like, oh,

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01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: he should should What are they supposed to do other

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01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 2: than that? By the way, and I'm really proud of that,

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01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: you know why. You know what, you know my dad

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01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 2: didn't do. He didn't go and joined the board of

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01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 2: sixteen different corporations. My dad decided what he was going

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Speaker 2: to do is he's going to stay true to himself

1571
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 2: like he'd always done. He had never made a penny

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01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 2: off of his off of being a public servant, other

1573
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 2: than the salary that he got when he became. When

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01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 2: he left the vice presidency, he wrote a book and

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01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 2: he had money for the first time in his life.

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01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 2: And he bought my mom a little house in Rehobe's Beach, Delaware.

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01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 2: That's what he did with it. And now you know what,

1578
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 2: he's back at his house, the same house that he's

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01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 2: been in for thirty years in Wilmington, Delaware, with my

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01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 2: mom and he's writing his book. And that's how they

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01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 2: are paying the bills and like, and it's great and

1582
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: for them, it's great. But what do they want him

1583
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 2: to do? What did they think that he should do?

1584
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 2: Go join the board of Carlisle. Now I'm not, you know,

1585
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 2: you know, start a you know, a multinational you know,

1586
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 2: think tank organization and fly around the globe, you know,

1587
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 2: I mean, like, my dad is my dad. He's in Delaware.

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01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:07,560
Speaker 2: He's writing a book about the most his history, incredible

1589
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 2: journey from a kid from Scranton, Pennsylvania, that had a stutter,

1590
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 2: whose dad was a car salesman, that became the president

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Speaker 2: of the United States. And I'll tell you what the

1592
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: thing about my dad is this, I think that he

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01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 2: is unique, unique as president for just one reason is

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01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: that I don't know of any president and that I've

1595
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 2: read about in history that in order to take that job.

1596
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: And this is not a criticism, it is just it's

1597
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,759
Speaker 2: a fact, is that there has to be some level

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01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: of narcissism and you have to have a you have

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01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 2: to have an outsized ego to be able to balance

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 2: that with the level of empathy that my dad had

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01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: I found was almost unique. And I'm so proud of him.

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01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of him. I'm so proud of my mom.

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01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 2: You know, it's not been easy. Cancer is not easy.

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01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 2: You know, the way that we left was not easy,

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01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 2: and and my dad grieves every day for the loss

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01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: of the opportunity to save this country from what it

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01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 2: has to go through right now. And you don't think

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01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 2: that we care as a family more than anybody, more

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01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 2: than anybody about this. We have given not by choice,

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01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 2: but by choice in my respect, not because of anything

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01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: that I have earned, but this family has given our lives,

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01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 2: our whole lives to this. Whatever you think about us,

1613
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 2: given our my dad has given his whole adult life

1614
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 2: to this, not for personal gain, not to become a billionaire,

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01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 2: not to even become a millionaire, not to make more

1616
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 2: than the salary that he was paid. Given his whole

1617
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 2: life to this. I give it up, my life for it.

1618
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: You all of it. They took all of it. And

1619
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,799
Speaker 2: here we are. And you know what, I'm not stepping

1620
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 2: off the stage for fucking anybody, because more than anything,

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01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 2: I want to make my dad proud.

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01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Well, Hunter and I you know this, and I'll just

1623
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: add my voice. You know, you know how proud he

1624
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 1: is of you, brother, and and uh and I'm I'm

1625
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: proud to have had this opportunity to share all this

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01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: with you and to have this conversation, really share this

1627
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: time with you, and uh and.

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01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm really just I'm so I'm so pleased that you're so.

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01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Willing to be so open and and and and talk

1630
01:34:55,080 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: so authentically authentically about your journey and how it attaches

1631
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 1: I imagine to how so many other people are struggling

1632
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and feeling and and uh and thanks for being so

1633
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: raw and thanks for being here.

1634
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, one thing is you know you've heard that

1635
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 2: say a million times, is I'll come campaign for you

1636
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 2: or against you, whatever it helps most, and you know,

1637
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 2: at my stomach, yeah, and he would say it and

1638
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 2: you'd be like, you know, it was it was silly

1639
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 2: because of course you'd want him to come out. In

1640
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 2: my case, it is for real