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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What up, Good morning to you. It's Dan

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Speaker 1: Who I would guess LaVar this Maybe I'd have to

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Speaker 1: have to go back and check through the annals of

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Speaker 1: all like Phillins or Dan Patrick. I would think were

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Speaker 1: the only two guys to ever appear on The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show as athletes and guests and now as guest hosts.

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Speaker 1: How about that history, baby, Yeah, I mean I was

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Speaker 1: on like once, like as a as a college hooper.

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Speaker 1: You were on like all the anytime they could they

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Speaker 1: could get ahold of it. Did you have a good Christmas?

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Speaker 1: It was great, man, it was. It was good. It

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Speaker 1: was it was relaxing, it was it was peaceful. I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. A lot of fire, you know, I was

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Speaker 1: looking at the fireplace quite a bit. A lot of fire. Well,

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Speaker 1: we have to say a lot of fire. You have

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Speaker 1: to it. Well, I watching the fireplayer. There's something relaxing

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Speaker 1: a boy. The fireplaces. By the way, if you're joining

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Speaker 1: us outside of fire too, yeah, yeah, if you're joining

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Speaker 1: us yes. If you join us outside of southern California,

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, why are these why are these guys

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Speaker 1: talking about the weather, because it actually poured last time,

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Speaker 1: like worrying rain last night, very very weird, which means

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Speaker 1: will be snow in the mountains and look beautiful in

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Speaker 1: a couple of days in the meantime. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: to anybody in the rest of the country, but to us,

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Speaker 1: it's a little a little different. Anyway, leavar Um, let's

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Speaker 1: let's start with with where we finished last night in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Coming into the season, Coming into the season,

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Speaker 1: where were you on Aaron Rodgers. It was high on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I actually picked the Green Bay Packers to

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Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl, and I thought this would

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Speaker 1: be a one of those in your face years for

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I could just tell by his mentality after

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Speaker 1: the uh the drafting of Love And Yes, so I

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Speaker 1: was high on him coming in. Okay, so this I

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Speaker 1: mean obviously right now you're patting yourself on the back

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Speaker 1: like last night, So Tennessee comes in snow game, yes,

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Speaker 1: And if there if there's one thing that is that

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Speaker 1: what's the um like the nemesis to the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 1: It's the team that can run the football keep Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers off the field. Now, look, we saw San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's a different style of run game. But last year

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Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game, they just dominated the game.

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Speaker 1: We saw it actually twice last year when they played

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Speaker 1: the run. You got it? Um, how much does does

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Speaker 1: last night change your your perception on what they can't?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you had them going to a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but anyone is reasonable and like, all right, there's matchups

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Speaker 1: that does last night change anyone's perspective? It's definitely should

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Speaker 1: Because I actually had Tennessee winning the game. I felt

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Speaker 1: as though their running attack just the elements alone, even

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Speaker 1: though it was in lambeau Field Green Bay. I felt

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Speaker 1: I thought that Aaron Rodgers would have a game, but

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Speaker 1: I thought that Tennessee would be too physical and by

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Speaker 1: would have saw Tennessee in effect, in essence, dominate them

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Speaker 1: be an ugly game, But you should change the way

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Speaker 1: that you're looking at at this Green Bay team as

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Speaker 1: a whole. Their defense proved that they could stand up

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Speaker 1: under the pressure of a heavy, hard nose Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 1: lad team. And Aaron Rodgers is continuing to be Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: He does not look like he's slowing down. He's protecting

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Speaker 1: Doug Gotli been for Dana dan As here on the

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick showing Fox Sports Radio. Here's the thing is, um,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting you called it at the time and said

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Speaker 1: I called the time at the time of the NFL

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Speaker 1: the Jordan Love pick actually makes a ton of sense

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Speaker 1: because he's really two years away from being anywhere close

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Speaker 1: took a j Dillon And obviously you look at the

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Speaker 1: But if you know Aaron Jones is his contract is up,

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Speaker 1: Drew is. Drew's a very good agent. His job is

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Speaker 1: think most people think he's not getting the most money

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay, at least traditionally, that's that's how that

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Speaker 1: while people may say, well, they drafted a guy who's

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Speaker 1: not even playing, I do think there's a benefit of it.

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Speaker 1: Does motivate Aaron Rodgers right like he's if he motivated,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is a good Aaron Rodgers, like he's better

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Speaker 1: when he's uncomfortable, when people rattle him a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the only reason they drafted him.

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Speaker 1: I think you look at Roethlisberger, at Philip Rivers, at

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Speaker 1: time's gonna catch up with you. And they're not saying

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Speaker 1: And if not, Jordan still has a great he's still

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Speaker 1: Right Like, Jordan Love right now is still a brand

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Speaker 1: new car. As long as no one drives him off

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Speaker 1: second somebody drives him off the lot, he throws a pick,

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Speaker 1: like the final week of the season. Next you know,

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Speaker 1: next week he goes and gets in. I don't think

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Speaker 1: You are a great defensive player. How is Davanta Adams

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Speaker 1: Um for I'll start with Davante. I think his footwork

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers was not motivated by them not

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Speaker 1: season one. So a lot of people felt as though

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Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers's quirky personality, But in fact,

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Speaker 1: conventional wisdom, as it's historically connected to top draft picks,

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Speaker 1: But I mean there's a there's a similarity there. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not a wise decision to you when

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Speaker 1: this first round, first round? What what? What was it

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Speaker 1: was still on the board when they took him. DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 1: Te Higgins was available. So and Tie Higgins is having

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Speaker 1: a great year with Cincinnati. But here's again, I guess what.

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Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers are going to have home field

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Speaker 1: advantage in the playoffs. Okay, they won thirteen games, actually

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Speaker 1: we're all sitting here Monday morning quarterbacking. No rookie you know,

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Speaker 1: could have wide receiver helped, like I guess, but that

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Speaker 1: It didn't go over well here. But he's still a

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Speaker 1: popular player here. You know, he's a tough, tough kid.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit. And this I'm not

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Speaker 1: being original here of the way Hines Ward played. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know he will fight for extra yards. He'll uh

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Speaker 1: you know, bag his head into others if he has

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Speaker 1: to to get those yards. He's he's a he's a

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Speaker 1: good receiver catching the ball. Um. You know he's not

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Speaker 1: he's not any more um an explosive guy like he

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Speaker 1: on the other side and they were ignoring Juju. But

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Speaker 1: he's a good possession guy and uh um, he's he

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Speaker 1: is still very popular here. He's done a lot of

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Speaker 1: things here in a community and everything that and and um,

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Speaker 1: I think people are overlooking that now that he's stopped it. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he would he picked up twenty five thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars in people's layaways like he does so many. He

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Speaker 1: has so much positive equity that I don't think it

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Speaker 1: that that doesn't it doesn't come from a place of malice,

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Speaker 1: right that he's like I'm actually more interested in you know,

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Speaker 1: I look at the Steelers, and you know, they were

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Speaker 1: very hesitant to use an early pick to get the

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Speaker 1: air parent to Ben Right, Ben pushed back into They

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Speaker 1: drafted Mason Rudolph, who, like I'm an Oklahoma state alum,

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Speaker 1: I like, I love Mason the guy. I didn't think

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Speaker 1: he was gonna be good enough, and to this point

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Speaker 1: he doesn't look like he is. But I look at

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and their inability to James Connor has been good,

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Speaker 1: but hasn't been as good this year, not all his fault,

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Speaker 1: and he's been banged up. I look at Pittsburgh, and

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is the reason why green Bay did what they did.

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Speaker 1: Right that that that they had to get a guy

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Speaker 1: for when Aaron Rodgers loses it, because at some point

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Speaker 1: he will, and they had to get a guy for if, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Aaron Jones wants too much money, just

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Speaker 1: like James Connor, they have they have an AJ Dillon.

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Speaker 1: Is that a fair parallel to say? If you look

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh, that's why green Bay did what they did. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and no, I will come back at you like this, um, Doug,

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Speaker 1: what if? What if? Um? I was gonna say far

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Speaker 1: because they have a history. You know, they got Aaron

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Speaker 1: when they had far. If it plays another three or

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Speaker 1: four years, and that's okay, so you trade him, but

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Speaker 1: it never it never loses value. You do lose your value,

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Speaker 1: though I meant, I meant to address that you do

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Speaker 1: lose your value because oh no, listen, listen, guys, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's thickly on this. For a second, I understand what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Like, okay, maybe, but like Josh Rosen lost

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Speaker 1: his value because Josh Rosen played. If he didn't play right,

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Speaker 1: he's no. No one knows if he can play. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, the Greenway Packers are one are never

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Speaker 1: gonna get. They're not gonna get as long as that

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers not gonna be in the top ten drafting.

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Speaker 1: They're just not right. So all the best quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love was seen as a developmental prospect, right, he's

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Speaker 1: not losing his value. He's always gonna be worth a

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Speaker 1: late first round draft pick. I don't think and Lava,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he loses it. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: lose any value in it. You don't drive that car

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Speaker 1: off the lot. It still has value. You drove him

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Speaker 1: off when you drafted him, But go ahead if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't play. If he doesn't play, like if Aaron's been,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the great um iron man of

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Speaker 1: the game. If he doesn't play, what how's anybody going

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Speaker 1: to assess his value? You know, when it comes to that.

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Speaker 1: But the Steelers, the Steelers had a long drought between

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Speaker 1: Bradshaw and Ben and I'm sure they don't want that

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Speaker 1: to happen again. But on the other hand, they keep drafting,

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Speaker 1: you know, the twenties, late twenties in the first round.

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Speaker 1: They did move up to get Devin Bush two years ago.

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Speaker 1: But um, I don't know that. Sometimes you just can't

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Speaker 1: plan on those things. You know. The Patriots didn't look

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Speaker 1: like they planned for Brady's exit, and it didn't look

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Speaker 1: like they planned. No, they did. They did, And then

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is like him or me, right that that

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Speaker 1: actually is the perfect parallel, right, They had Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: they had the air apparent, and when they could have

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Speaker 1: made the move, then Brady was playing so well that

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Speaker 1: they then moved him and they they could have gotten

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Speaker 1: a little bit maybe more value on it. Now obviously,

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Speaker 1: because because of when and how they how they dealt them.

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Speaker 1: But that's actually the perfect parallel, Like they were prepared

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Speaker 1: for this eventuality, they just didn't have the support of

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Speaker 1: the of the ownership to make that move and it

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Speaker 1: one on one more super Bowl because of it. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: um where anyway the values in the Super Bowl? Right? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was the wrong decision. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that if we're looking for parallels in organizations that

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Speaker 1: have been able to sustain success, the Steelers when they

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Speaker 1: lost Bradshaw, you know, I mean the Bobby Brister years

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Speaker 1: and the Tommy Maddox years and Cordell Steward, they made

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Speaker 1: it work with a slash for a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: Like they were constantly searching for a quarterback to go

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Speaker 1: with outstanding defenses and rosters, and then they finally found

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Speaker 1: one with with Ben Roethlisberger. And whereas the Packers they

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Speaker 1: haven't had the drop off with FARV with Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and they're just repeating that. And you look around the league,

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Speaker 1: or you even look at Pittsburgh. What a great organization.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when Ben Rothsberg wasn't playing well, there's

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Speaker 1: there's no error apparent, there's nobody in the pipeline, and

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Speaker 1: the second he retires, they're back in the They're back

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Speaker 1: in kind of quarterback purgatory. You know what I would say,

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Speaker 1: if you look around at all the NFL teams and

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Speaker 1: ones with good quarterbacks, there's very few air appearance behind them. Really,

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Speaker 1: there really isn't. Um, it just doesn't happen anymore with

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Speaker 1: free agency and everything else, and um, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: tough thing to do. And then there's there's ways many

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Speaker 1: ways to skin that cat. You know, you can try

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Speaker 1: a trade, draft, a free agency. Uh. You know, I

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Speaker 1: remember when the forty nine ers got Steve Young in

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Speaker 1: a trade. Um, you know they got Did they get

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Speaker 1: lucky or they get smart? Um? And uh we pointed

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Speaker 1: out the Packers. But I don't know that there's very

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Speaker 1: many teams around the league where there's a great quarterback

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Speaker 1: and uh someone behind them ready to step in. Now

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Speaker 1: it looks like maybe San Diego is one of those

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Speaker 1: teams that that that has done it. Um less, it's

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Speaker 1: it's fine. I live in La. Nobody calls in the

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Speaker 1: La char Ums. Does yesterday's win give give you its hopes?

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Speaker 1: Or does does it change your perspective on whether or

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Speaker 1: not this team can get to a Super Bowl. Oh

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Speaker 1: very much so, Doug. I mean, everybody was down here.

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Speaker 1: You just couldn't understand, like I said, why they kept

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Speaker 1: doing that offense the way they were doing it, and

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Speaker 1: they kept doing it in the first half yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: you know, I do a discussion a lot of games

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Speaker 1: going on on the Athletic with fans, and there were

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Speaker 1: many of them put Mason in. I mean, you're kind

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Speaker 1: to be kidding me, but yeah, it was. That didn't

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Speaker 1: come against the Jaguars. It came against a good Colts team,

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, and um, they'll they'll rest guys now

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland and the next time you see their first

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Speaker 1: team will be in the first game in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think it bode well for them

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Speaker 1: what they did yesterday. Ed Bischett right of the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you can chat with him during games. He's just

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Speaker 1: an absolute legend at Ed Baschett on Twitter as well. Ed,

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Speaker 1: you're the best. Happy New Year to you and thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, Thanks sir, Thanks Doug, and that gins

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Speaker 1: are you got with you. It's very much a term

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Speaker 1: of endearment. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: LeVar Arrington's Doug Gottlieb. Welcome in Hope. You had a

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Speaker 1: great Christmas. You're ready for a safe and healthy new year.

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Speaker 1: Is one of those twenty twenty one can't end quickly

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Speaker 1: enough for so many people, LeVar. Let's let let's continue

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Speaker 1: with the football discussion, and let's go to your former team,

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Speaker 1: the Washington football team. Right, M. Dwayne Haskins had an

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Speaker 1: interesting week, right, interesting variance where yes he was at

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Speaker 1: a at a gentleman's club, gottlie Yes he was, and

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Speaker 1: and the uh the And here's the thing about gentleman's clubs,

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Speaker 1: right like you either are you either are or you're not.

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Speaker 1: That is true, That's very true. Right, I'm not one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not either. And it's not because I

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Speaker 1: don't want these lovely and talented women to go to

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Speaker 1: medical schools. They're clearly all trying to save money. For

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Speaker 1: it's just like I don't know. I'm just that it's

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Speaker 1: not my jam. You know, I'm not saying I haven't

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Speaker 1: partaken in the past. It's it's just not somebody when

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Speaker 1: I when I when I look at at at the

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Speaker 1: bottom line of my bank account, I don't think that, uh,

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Speaker 1: that that a smattering of of ones uh to a young,

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Speaker 1: young lady is how I want to spend my good,

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Speaker 1: hard earned money. Again, I'm not I'm not a moralist.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to do what you're allowed to do. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's different during a pandemic when the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league is depending upon all of these guys to

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Speaker 1: just go home and let's just get to where we

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Speaker 1: are two weeks away and maybe three if you're the

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Speaker 1: Washington football team, three weeks away from being able to

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Speaker 1: go to any gentleman's club anywhere in America or in

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Speaker 1: a different country however you want. So Haskins got to

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Speaker 1: start because Alex Smith wasn't healthy, and Haskins has done

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Speaker 1: a lot of good things in terms of throwing his

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Speaker 1: support around Alex Smith in this incredible comeback story. The

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Speaker 1: best thing he's done right the team, no question, most impactful,

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Speaker 1: most impactful thing he's done since being on the team.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday he played poorly. He got replaced by Taylor Heinicke,

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Speaker 1: who if you didn't know, like, here's a guy who's

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Speaker 1: bounced around. He was a backup in Carolina. All things

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Speaker 1: point back to Ron Rivera trying to figure out somebody

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Speaker 1: who knows is their offense and bring him in from Carolina,

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Speaker 1: as several of the backups have been from the Carolina Panthers. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: this Haskins after the game, he was asked about his

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Speaker 1: mental state and he said, definitely the hardest week of

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Speaker 1: my life. I just want to bounce back and move

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Speaker 1: forward and pray and get my life together. I really

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Speaker 1: can't put into words how I'm feeling right now. You

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Speaker 1: sign up for this job, so it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes being a human being isn't enough. You got to

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Speaker 1: own up to your responsibilities and mistakes and put your

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Speaker 1: best foot forward and pray for an opportunity. You never

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Speaker 1: know when you'll get another one. You've not only been

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Speaker 1: a great college football player and a great NFL player,

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Speaker 1: but you've been a member of the Washington football team.

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Speaker 1: When I say Dwayne Haskins, as of today, what do

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Speaker 1: you think. I think it's it's trending the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: And he said all the right things when he spoke right,

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Speaker 1: but somebody needs to wrap their arms around Dwayne, and

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Speaker 1: Dwayne has to be open enough to accept some very

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Speaker 1: very harsh and stern criticisms and words. He has to adjust,

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Speaker 1: and he has to just quickly, because his value is

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Speaker 1: plummeting and plummeting in the way where not only will

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Speaker 1: it make it difficult for him to maintain a roster

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Speaker 1: spot with the Washington football team, it's going to make

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Speaker 1: it difficult for him to get a roster spot with

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Speaker 1: any National Football League team. And that's something that when

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Speaker 1: you hear a guy speak the way that he spoke

642
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Speaker 1: in giving an account of what he's feeling and what

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Speaker 1: he's going through. They lost that game the weekend that

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Speaker 1: he went to the Strip Club, right, Gentleman's Club. They lost.

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Speaker 1: You become the starter, and in the week that you

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Speaker 1: lose a game as the starter, being back as the starter,

647
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Speaker 1: then you risk it to do that, and then you

648
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Speaker 1: get your captainships ripped up from you going into a

649
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: very very critical game this past weekend, and you still

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Speaker 1: play at a level that is so poor that your words.

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Speaker 1: Your words could mean something more if your actions were

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Speaker 1: more so, the fact that your actions were. You did

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Speaker 1: not want to speak to the media after the game.

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Speaker 1: You just left. They had to find you. Then you

655
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Speaker 1: had to give whatever it was it was going to

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Speaker 1: be that you were saying. Now, on one side, you'll

657
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: say he needed time to cool off, maybe he was

658
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: going to say some things he didn't need to say.

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Speaker 1: He said all the right things when he finally spoke.

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Speaker 1: But Doug, you are the quarterback of the Washington football team,

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Speaker 1: and there's there's a tremendous responsibility, a tremendous expectation that

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Speaker 1: comes with being that to the fan base. And the

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Speaker 1: things that he could have done to help help himself out,

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Speaker 1: the things he could have done to garner support from

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Speaker 1: his teammates, he doesn't do. He doesn't do those things.

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Speaker 1: And and so I think the level of trust, the

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Speaker 1: level of belief, um the idea that he understands, the level,

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Speaker 1: the level and and magnitude of what his accountability to

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Speaker 1: the team and to himself has to be to be

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Speaker 1: the player that he wants to be or needs to be.

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Speaker 1: It makes me question does he want to play? Do

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Speaker 1: you either want to be a football player in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. I know you want all of the

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Speaker 1: things that go with it, like to be able to

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Speaker 1: be important when you go to the club, But do

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Speaker 1: you really want to be a football player, you know

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League? It just it doesn't match

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Speaker 1: up for me. Well, look, I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. I think urban Meyer kind of called

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Speaker 1: it me without saying he never questioned haskins talent, although

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Speaker 1: I would. I would based upon the scouts I talked to.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of time like he just has bad feet.

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Speaker 1: And you know, no matter how talented arm is in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League, especially now, like if you got

685
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Speaker 1: bad feet, I mean, there's there's definitely a premium set

686
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Speaker 1: not just on the Lamars of the world in terms

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Speaker 1: of with your feet and running for a first down.

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Speaker 1: But you know, pocket a jolity he just didn't have,

689
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Speaker 1: and pocket awareness he just didn't have. But more than anything,

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Speaker 1: there's just a level of maturity even with like even

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Speaker 1: in how he's handling this right like looked then to

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Speaker 1: er is human, Okay, should he go into a strip club, win, lose, whatever,

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Speaker 1: Like no, of course you shouldn't have but it's the

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Speaker 1: he's the the woe is me, you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just a human being, like bro, that that ain't it.

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Speaker 1: That ain't it? And I don't actually care about what

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Speaker 1: the fans think. Okay, because the fans, it's what the

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Speaker 1: players think. As we discussed early with Jalen Hurts, like,

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Speaker 1: you ain't going anywhere. The guys in that locker room

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Speaker 1: buy in. And when you do something dumb like you could,

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00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: most of those guys would be like, all right, I'm

702
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: pissed because he risks our season, he risks my livelhood.

703
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Speaker 1: But you better go in there and ball out, right,

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Speaker 1: you better go in there, and you better walk in

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Speaker 1: own a huddle. And he just doesn't. And this is

706
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Speaker 1: just a case of nobody wants to hear this, but

707
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: like look, sometimes just because they'll draft you in the

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Speaker 1: first round doesn't mean you go it. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you go. Jim Calhoun used to tell his guys that

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Speaker 1: all the time, Like he would say, it's not about

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Speaker 1: the first contracts, by the second contract, right, and it's

712
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Speaker 1: it's true. Because you get in there and they're gonna

713
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Speaker 1: your first round pick, they're gonna throw you in before

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Speaker 1: you're ready. And if you can't swim out of the

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Speaker 1: deep end, you better give those guys those fifty three

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Speaker 1: fifty two other eyes reason to believe that. No, he's

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Speaker 1: a dude, he's got this under control. And there's almost

718
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Speaker 1: nothing this guy has done that shows he's ready for

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Speaker 1: the job, even last year when they won and he's

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Speaker 1: taken a selfie with a fan instead of taking a

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Speaker 1: knee at the end of the game. Like, guys, realize,

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Speaker 1: this guy's like, yo, this he is. He he's he's

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Speaker 1: about other things. His focus isn't where it needs to be, Doug, right, right,

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Speaker 1: which which which I understand that if you're driving and

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Speaker 1: you're listening to us, leave ironton Doug Got Live Dan

726
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: Patrick Show, you're like, look, they're professional, they're men, Like, no,

727
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Speaker 1: but a quarterback affects all those other guys. They all

728
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: want to make more money, they all want to win games.

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Speaker 1: And when you're not about just those two things, making

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Speaker 1: everybody money and winning games, then they're not about you. Right.

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Speaker 1: Is that a fair and accurate portrayal of what it's

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Speaker 1: really like inside an NFL locker room? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. Here's the thing, Doug, these guys could have

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Speaker 1: locked up a playoff position, a playoff spot with a win. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so when you look at I'm not, I'm never It

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Speaker 1: wasn't like they're playing the eighty five Bears, right, they're

737
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Speaker 1: playing and they're playing their coaches old team. Like you

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Speaker 1: don't think he without their best player, right, Like you

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Speaker 1: don't think that, But you don't think that Ron Rivera

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Speaker 1: wants to kick the Caroline Panther's ass. I understand it's

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Speaker 1: It's as amicable divorce as there has ever been. Like,

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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera got his own football team to run to

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Speaker 1: find the nickname of. He gets to pick the GM,

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00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna get to pick the players, like. It worked

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Speaker 1: out really well for Ron Rivera, right, and Matt Rule.

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Speaker 1: A guy who comes in from college gets a chance

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Speaker 1: plenty of time to prove himself, right like it, but

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Speaker 1: there there is. Ron Rivera is a competitor, right, He's

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Speaker 1: a former football player. He is a competitive head coach.

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Speaker 1: He wants to kick their ass. He can go to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and beat his old franchise. And that's how

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00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: you play, like, I can't think of a more disastrous

753
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: end to this story than what played out this past week.

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Speaker 1: They stripped him of his captain ship going into this game.

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Speaker 1: Think about that, now you have the ability to lead

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Speaker 1: this team as the most important position on the field

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Speaker 1: going into this game against Carolina, which is a very

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00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: winnable game, and you could solidify that I may not

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00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: have been perfect, right, but I dang sure delivered on

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00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: this and you get your captaincy stripped away from you.

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Speaker 1: You have a defense that's playing out of their minds

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Speaker 1: right now. And to think that this is this is

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Speaker 1: the way that people view you, like, bro, let me

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Speaker 1: tell you something that's probably that probably was the nail

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Speaker 1: in the coffin, if you ask me. And I've used

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Speaker 1: the term quite a few times during this show. I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know why I'm living on that one,

768
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Speaker 1: but I really believe that that sealed his fate. Is

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Speaker 1: that for you to be as high profile a player

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Speaker 1: and draft picked as you were for this team, for

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Speaker 1: the guy who was before Ron Rivera Gruden to say

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Speaker 1: I did not like this dude. He wasn't my guy.

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Speaker 1: I never liked this guy. He's not that good. To

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Speaker 1: continue to show reasons why the focal point of his

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00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: failures should be on him versus something else. That is

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Speaker 1: I mean what do you do where you're where? I

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00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: don't like taking negative stances, and I don't like having

778
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: negative opinions about guys because I always try to find

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00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: the positive and what's taking place. Yes, but this says,

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00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: this spells dismissive, it spells narcissistic. It's to me, I

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Speaker 1: would be if I'm coach bron Rivera, knowing what we

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Speaker 1: have at stake and he's my quarterback. I'm I'm just mortified.

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Speaker 1: I'm mortified. I'm disappointed that this is what I have

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Speaker 1: to try to ride out the season. We go from

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00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: clawing and crawling back into a race to try to

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Speaker 1: get the NFC East Divisional crown to get into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and because Alex Smith going down, I have to deal

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Speaker 1: with Dwayne Haskins being my quarterback and I have zero

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Speaker 1: belief that we can get it done with him. That's

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Speaker 1: got to be a very very hopeless feeling for the

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Speaker 1: coach and the coaching staff. And that's on him. That

792
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: is totally on him. That's not on somebody else in

793
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Speaker 1: this particular situation that falls squarely on the shoulders of

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: All right, if you go back a couple, you go

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00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: back two weeks ago. Right, Steelers look like they were

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00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a one and done in the playoffs. Jalen

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00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Hurts looked like he was the answer in Philadelphia and

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets. We're destined to not win a game.

806
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Draft Trevor Lawrence, trade away Sam Donald and begin a

807
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: completely new football trajectory. But oh, how football changes within

808
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: two weeks? Right, you fire Greg Greg Williams as defensive coordinator,

809
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: and you can't go casino blitz and just give away

810
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Speaker 1: a game like they did against Raiders. In fact, the

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Speaker 1: Jets of now won two games in a row, which

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Speaker 1: which changes things. I would I would think the LaVar Arrington,

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gotlie. Let's welcome in Brian Costello. He works

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Speaker 1: for the New York Post. He covers the New York

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Speaker 1: Jets and Brian, what do you make of this late

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00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: season turnaround by the Jets. It's remarkable, guys, because you know,

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Speaker 1: they have been so terrible all year. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about them being one of the worst teams in all

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00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: time when we looked at the numbers they're point differential

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Speaker 1: and the way their offense is performed. And now not

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Speaker 1: only they won two games, they beat two teams that

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Speaker 1: are fighting for the playoffs. So it's crazy. It just

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Speaker 1: shows you, Like what you just said, things change quickly

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's hard to predict how things are

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Speaker 1: going to go. How do you view a team that

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Speaker 1: where something changes is quickly? I mean, is that fools goal? Like,

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Speaker 1: how are you guys viewing it? Yeah, it's fools goal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I covered baseball for a long

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Speaker 1: time and they always said don't pay attention to September

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Speaker 1: baseball because the call ups and have different gets. And

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Speaker 1: I think the same thing applies when a team is

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Speaker 1: out of it playing in December in the NFL. Like,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't save adham Gas's job. He's gonna get fired

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Speaker 1: next week. I don't think this. You know, Sam Donald

835
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Speaker 1: has gone three games without a turnover for the first

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Speaker 1: time in his career, and it's being talked about it

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Speaker 1: like it's an amazing accomplishment here, But you know, when

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Speaker 1: you'd actually look at it, he for one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy five yards yesterday, completed fifty percent of his passes.

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Speaker 1: He's still you know, he's the guy who we've seen

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Speaker 1: for three years. We kind of know what he is now.

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Speaker 1: The Donald evaluation is a little trickier because there's no

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence now. And you love Justin Stiels, you love

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. You know, I think there's a decision to

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Speaker 1: be made there for the Jets, it's Sam Donald. Maybe

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Speaker 1: as a guy you keep for another year instead of

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Speaker 1: those guys. But in terms of evaluating evaluating Sam Donald,

848
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Speaker 1: you know this doesn't really change anything. Uh, It's okay,

849
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's work our way back to Donald. Let's start

850
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: with Adam Gaze. Any thought that he holds on to

851
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: his job, No, I don't think there's a chap. Okay,

852
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden it gets to who

853
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: the head coach is and what he thinks of Sam Donald. Right,

854
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you have a you have a general manager. He's got

855
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: three first round picks and he has Sam Donald under

856
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: a rookie contract, but then, of course you got to

857
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: make the decision on the fifth year. He could let

858
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: him play it out as is in your mind. What's

859
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: that Joe Douglass becomes the wild card here, he keeps

860
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: the job, he hires his his coach. Who do you

861
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: think is most likely to be on that shortlist? Yeah,

862
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think Joe Douglas is gonna be here.

863
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the gym, and he's gonna be going

864
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: high in the coach I think, you know are He's

865
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: going to be pretty open to interviewing a lot of

866
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: different people. And I think the names, you know, the

867
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: top names you've heard are the Enemy, Brilliant day Off

868
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: to the Bills, Matt Campbell, the Iowa state coach. And

869
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: I think we'll get a look link Martindale, the defense

870
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 1: quarter from Baltimore. You know, Joe Douglas has strong routes

871
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: with the Ravens, so I think he'll probably get in

872
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: a look. You know, I think they're gonna do a

873
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: lot of interviews, and I think the way it's set up, guys,

874
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: with the world we're living in right now, they could

875
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: do like twelve zoom interviews next week and then figure

876
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: out four or five guys if they want to come

877
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: to the building and have like longer interviews with So

878
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: I think it might be a longer process with the interviews,

879
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're going into this with a

880
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: preconceived idea of who they want, you know, and the

881
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Donald question is gonna be a big one, I think

882
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: in the interviews. And there's a financial component too. They're

883
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: not going to pick up a fifth year option. It's

884
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: just too much money. So I think they'll let him

885
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: play out next year, but then you're gonna have to

886
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: pay him in twenty twenty two and you have to

887
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: decide is this a guy that you think, even if

888
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: he has a good year next year, you don't want

889
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: to pay. So that's gonna be an interesting part, and

890
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: to see what the coach thinks of him. There's a

891
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: lot of people who still think highly in Folling Donal

892
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: you know, the draft wasn't that long ago. He's only

893
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: twenty three, and there's a lot of people who argue, well,

894
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: you haven't been coached. Well, he hasn't had good receivers,

895
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a good offensive line, and all that

896
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: stuff is true, but I just haven't seen enough with

897
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: Sam Dara, watching every game he's played, just to make

898
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: me believe that he's a guy that's going to be

899
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: special in this league. And you know, my line with

900
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: Sam done has become you can win with Sam. I

901
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna win because of him. I find

902
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: it so hard to believe with how difficult it is

903
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: for guys to get jobs, like super super gifted people

904
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: who understand scouting, understand coaching, development, game planning don't get jobs.

905
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: And we talk about it so much at such length,

906
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: but we get into situations where we have conversations about

907
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: how poorly a guy is underdeveloped, how poorly the coaching

908
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: has been, how poorly the selection of players have been,

909
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: or what are you gonna do? What's the philosophy of

910
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: the team? First off, how do you how do you

911
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: mess up so bad where there could actually be so

912
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: so much of that type of a conversation connected to

913
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: a pro team. And then second, my second part to

914
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: that question would be what what is New York looking at?

915
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: What are the Jets internally from or maybe from your perspective,

916
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: what are they? What are they trying to create? In

917
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: terms of culturally speaking with their team, because that seems

918
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: to be they're they're having an identity crisis with the

919
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Yeah, and it's sort of a chicken

920
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: ding yank. Culture come from winning, and winning comes from culture.

921
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: Because the Jets had been in on this treadmill now

922
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: for ten years. Um, you know, the end of the

923
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: Actor Ryan era wasn't good. The Top Bowls era was

924
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: mostly not sept for one year, and the Attam Geese

925
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: Hora hasn't included. They drafted terribly. That's where it started

926
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: my mind. Um, you know, if you look at it,

927
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: the core of this team should come from those drafts

928
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen, two and sixteen, and two thou seventeen,

929
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: right with guys sprinkled into the last years. They have

930
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: no one on this team from two thousand and fifteen draft.

931
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: They have one person on this team from two sixteen

932
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: and one person around two thousand and seventeen. That you know,

933
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: the two guys out of those three drafts. That's a killer.

934
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 1: And they just haven't drafted well. They've made terrible decisions. Also,

935
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: its free agency. Throwing a lot of money a true

936
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: mate Johnson was a disaster. A few years ago they

937
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: paid Muhammad Wilkerson. That didn't work out. So that's where

938
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: it starts. In terms of cultural war. I think it's

939
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: a good point. You know, every coach that's been here,

940
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: Rex Bowles, gage talked about establishing a culture and hasn't

941
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: been able to really do it. Rex sort of did

942
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: it for a few years and then lost it. You know,

943
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: when you go to teams like the Ravens or the

944
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: Steelers or the Patriots, there's kind of understood what it

945
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: means to be a member of those teams. There's no

946
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: definition of what it means to be a Jet. And

947
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: there's no older players here passing that down. The longest

948
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: ten year Jet got here in two thousand and sixteen,

949
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: so there's no one that that's kind of teaches the

950
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: younger players this is the way you go about your

951
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: business as a professional. This is what it being to

952
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: be a member of this organization. I think it's a

953
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: long road to get there because I don't think the

954
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: Jets are close to that. You know, they don't have

955
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be a part of this

956
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: team for a long time. Many of them they you know,

957
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: McKay Batton is pretty good. Quinny Williams is pretty good.

958
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: I think those guys will be here for a while,

959
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: but they you know, Joe Douglas has to work on

960
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: it now. He has to bring better players in here

961
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: and a good coach, and then I think you you

962
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: start establishing a culture and maybe in four or five

963
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: years they can have that M four or five. Well,

964
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: well you have those, you have those three first round picks, right, so,

965
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean the two first round picks this year, two

966
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: first round this year, two first round next year. All right,

967
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: So I mean and obviously like the if you do

968
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: the great thing is if you don't need a quarterback.

969
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: If you decide, hey, we don't need a quarterback this year,

970
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: somebody else does, they're gonna They're still gonna be a

971
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of value on that first first round pick.

972
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: And you can flip that into you know, picks later

973
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: on the draft, which is where the real value is.

974
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: You know, where you load up on either late first

975
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: or you second round in third round picks. And that's

976
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: how you replenish your wide receiving court. That's how you

977
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: continue to fix that offensive line. That's how you give

978
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: your new coach a chance to kind of build whatever

979
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: that new culture is. The big question is who is

980
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: that coach and what does he think and what does

981
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Joe Douglass really think of Sam Donald. That's that's kind

982
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: of where we are, correct. Yeah, that and the number

983
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: two pick is going to have a lot of value

984
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: if one of these quarterbacks kind of rises up the board.

985
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: Right now, it feels like it's Trevor Lawrence and then

986
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks. But we've seen how the

987
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: draft works. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I mean

988
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: the h Yeah, I mean you look at at Josh Allen,

989
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: you look at at at what's happened with the Chargers,

990
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: and you start to go like, all right, these guys

991
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: can They're ready to play, they can play right away.

992
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: You talk yourself into something because in previous drafts, even recently,

993
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks have been able to show a tremendous amount

994
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: of immediate return on the investment, which is gonna make

995
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: somebody needs to quoted plenty. Teams need a quarterback, and

996
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna reach even if they know there's a massive

997
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: drop off after Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, and that might be

998
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: the way Joe Douglas goes like, like you said, the

999
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: more picks about it. They have nine picks right now

1000
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: going into the draft. Uh, you know, and they need

1001
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: I call this, and no one's an art off season.

1002
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: They need two of everything. People talk about the Cleveland

1003
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: Browns yesterday not having the wide receivers that kind of chuckle.

1004
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: They said, all right, name me the Jets secondary. Go ahead,

1005
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, like they were playing guys who had no

1006
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: business being on the NFL field, so you know, and

1007
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: they won, you know, but it was like the people

1008
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: have said, like, oh, the Browns have no receivers, Well,

1009
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: the Jets have had no cornerbacks all season, so that

1010
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: was an even match. But you know, they need like

1011
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: you can go through the list they have. They have

1012
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: a left tackle, they have a defensive tackle. They might

1013
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: have a wide receiver in Denzo Mims. Other than that,

1014
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: they need everything, you know. So he Joe Douglas knows

1015
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: he has to restock this. So I trained them two

1016
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: pit to the appealing if they feel like a keep

1017
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: Sam Donald or beat you dropped a quarterback a little

1018
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: bit later than number two, maybe you move down four

1019
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: or five spots and take a quarterback there. That could

1020
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: happen too. All right, Well, it's good it's gonna be interesting. Hey, Brian,

1021
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: Happy New Year to you. Hope you had You've had

1022
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: a great holiday season, and thanks so much for joining us.

1023
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Guys. All right, but Brian Costello,

1024
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: jet speat reporter for The New York Post. It's always

1025
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: at least entertaining, even if it's not good football. Thanks

1026
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,799
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1027
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,680
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1029
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1030
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,440
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