Speaker 1: Guess what.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody.
Speaker 3: Miles that Jack Got Mad Boosties has returned for Day
Speaker 3: two of NBA Con and Las Vegas Summer League.
Speaker 2: We were very blessed.
Speaker 4: I think we can just call it the Con. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think it needs it's only what Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a good point.
Speaker 3: NBA Con and we're catching up with ESPN's Cassidy Hubbard
Speaker 3: to talk about Summer League and.
Speaker 2: About the phenomenal podcast Hoops Paradise. If you don't know
Speaker 2: I Heart Radio.
Speaker 3: On iHeartRadio talking about the Philippines love of the game
Speaker 3: and also currently sideline recording here from Summer League. We'll
Speaker 3: talk all about that, but first let me introduce myself.
Speaker 3: I'm Miles Great and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is
Speaker 3: Got Mad Boes.
Speaker 5: You do need to.
Speaker 4: Sing loud because there's a little music in the background.
Speaker 1: It's all right.
Speaker 2: I think people would rather hear us sing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can do some offkeever DJ. Yeah yeah, I will
Speaker 2: put with him.
Speaker 3: I'm an only child, so I will try and outscream
Speaker 3: and amplify the show.
Speaker 5: I want to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm a podcaster. You are raising a podcaster.
Speaker 3: Cassidy Hubbard, thank you so much for joining us here. Uh,
Speaker 3: we're here in Vegas. The energy isantiable.
Speaker 2: It was crazy last night.
Speaker 4: So we're recording this the day after Wembing Yama's debut. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and uh it was exciting that like you could actually
Speaker 4: hear people's like energy, like when he walked in, like
Speaker 4: walked onto the court for the first time, just when
Speaker 4: he would like put a shot up in warm up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people were like it was like the second he.
Speaker 3: Wind up, oh oh, and then just silence too. It
Speaker 3: was really interesting like how people were like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I think maybe so overcome by the expectation of what
Speaker 3: they wanted to see that I feel like barely anybody
Speaker 3: was cheered.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the energy was definitely big last night
Speaker 5: for the first half. Yeah yeah, and leading into it,
Speaker 5: and the the energy even leading into the game. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, Thompson Mac was filled even for that great
Speaker 5: Uh Rockets Blazers lost Scoot and the men got hurt.
Speaker 5: But uh that was a perfect setup as like Wemby
Speaker 5: was hanging in the you know hallway where he was
Speaker 5: like everyone had their phones out and he could see
Speaker 5: over all of them. He was like hanging up the ceiling.
Speaker 5: I don't know where you guys were seated, but like that,
Speaker 5: so maybe you saw it, you were.
Speaker 4: Actually just trying to get a vantage point. That was
Speaker 4: similar to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair point, fair point, but like just him watching
Speaker 5: that game, everyone watching him and the game, that energy
Speaker 5: was was insane. And then also like there's that there's
Speaker 5: that area called the pit, which is behind like by
Speaker 5: the entrance and kind of behind where the media seating is,
Speaker 5: and that is a really really electric place because it's
Speaker 5: where a lot of the gms and coaches and reporters
Speaker 5: kind of like network in the Summer League, because that's
Speaker 5: kind of what this whole vibe is out here, especially
Speaker 5: for people in and around the league is is networking,
Speaker 5: feeling optimistic about the new year. Usually like you're able
Speaker 5: to kind of bob and weave through. There's like pathways.
Speaker 5: I had the hardest time getting to my seats because
Speaker 5: people were shoulder and to shoulder, and that has never happened,
Speaker 5: not for this ion debut, which I also did not
Speaker 5: even for you know, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 5: remember how big Lonzo staying here in Summer League was.
Speaker 5: That for me was like the first time where Summer
Speaker 5: League just felt like a big event. I will say
Speaker 5: like the way the crowd was reacting to Wemby felt
Speaker 5: similar to the way the crowd was reacting to Zion,
Speaker 5: but Zion put on more of a show yea fed
Speaker 5: to the crowd and his free game dunks. I think
Speaker 5: just people were like were more curious. We had seen
Speaker 5: what Zion you know, did in collegege We've been talking
Speaker 5: about Wembin Yama for like a long time, mostly for
Speaker 5: NBA people. For the last year. People were just curious,
Speaker 5: like they've heard so much. They sure you watched some
Speaker 5: you know, French League games, but like they wanted to
Speaker 5: see what he was about himself. And I don't know
Speaker 5: if he knew what he was about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he was trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot. I feel like there's just a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure.
Speaker 4: There was a lot like you could see a little
Speaker 4: bit of frustration, but like that's that's gonna happen, Like
Speaker 4: that's perfectly healthy and natural, and like that is what
Speaker 4: every NBA player has to be able to do, is
Speaker 4: like that all right, now things have started. Now you
Speaker 4: have to be able to put up with a little
Speaker 4: bit of frustration. When the game is just like not
Speaker 4: going exactly as you pictured it in your head, you know.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because he mentioned, you know, in the
Speaker 5: pre draft interviews, he said to like Urmilie Andrews, I
Speaker 5: don't feel pressure. I've never even felt pressure, even in school,
Speaker 5: anything I've done, I've never felt pressure.
Speaker 2: I'm just good at it.
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 2: Like that's why I identify with him, you know.
Speaker 4: It's just like, yeah, everything's so easy.
Speaker 5: Boom comes to Las Vegas, you know, gets his first
Speaker 5: real scandal into you know, obviously everyone wanting to talk
Speaker 5: to him, into his first debut. I think into you know,
Speaker 5: playing with these guys really for the first time, trying
Speaker 5: to figure out the principles of not just the NBA
Speaker 5: but Spurs basketball. That's something he told me. He's like,
Speaker 5: I'm still learning the principles you mentioned last night. He goes,
Speaker 5: I didn't really know what I was doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mentioned that because I mean, look at
Speaker 3: those stats, you only have five blocks.
Speaker 2: I don't know you were.
Speaker 4: Disappointed by, but I'm expecting fifteen.
Speaker 2: A couple of those blocks.
Speaker 4: By the way, where with his armpit, like he was
Speaker 4: so like he's just so things and like easily block
Speaker 4: them like, so I would say my big takeaways as
Speaker 4: an NBA fans. First of all, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people had never seen him miss a shot because
Speaker 4: every like the version everyone was getting was just yeah,
Speaker 4: but he like watching him move on the court like
Speaker 4: he knows where to be. It's just he probably needs to, like,
Speaker 4: you know, pick up the tempo a little bit more
Speaker 4: of like what you know, how everybody's moving and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. But defensively, it's it is He's going to
Speaker 4: be a game changer. Like you can just see it
Speaker 4: right away, like that nobody wanted to attempt a shot
Speaker 4: in the quadrant of the court that he was on,
Speaker 4: not even like challenge him, but like he was just
Speaker 4: affecting shots everywhere.
Speaker 3: Even his version of like the Cornet contest, like he
Speaker 3: felt dangerous, like when he was like I'll just go
Speaker 3: up and like he might block.
Speaker 2: The Cornet contest.
Speaker 4: Is the move where you jump up when you're in
Speaker 4: the paint and someone shooting three that we saw Luke
Speaker 4: Cornett do with the Celtics this year.
Speaker 5: He didn't get dunked on, though, yeah he.
Speaker 4: Did get dunked on, but I will say he was
Speaker 4: also like doing the thing that Yiannis did in that
Speaker 4: highlight in the finals. He was guarding the person who
Speaker 4: threw the alley oop and then like very nearly blocked.
Speaker 7: The didn't tell the full Yeah, tell the full story
Speaker 7: for sure, Cassidy famously, you know what you're talking about
Speaker 7: when it comes to basketball.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: So we're idiots, so we we should open everything usually
Speaker 4: we do. We just got so excited about the webaa thing.
Speaker 4: We're kind of idiots.
Speaker 2: Uh yea.
Speaker 3: So now I saw those stats, like you said, I said,
Speaker 3: he only have five rebounds. This guy's a bust. Can
Speaker 3: you explain to me? And the other fans were very
Speaker 3: worried why we are completely wrong and off base.
Speaker 5: It's one summer league game.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 5: But look, that's the nature of summer league. That's also
Speaker 5: part of the fun. That's also the reason why there's
Speaker 5: an NBA con right now in Las Vegas, because of
Speaker 5: the success and interest level in summer league. Because NBA
Speaker 5: fans love talking about the NBA and like controversy and
Speaker 5: you know, debating, and so you're fine to live in
Speaker 5: that world if it makes you happy. You know, over
Speaker 5: here in reality, he's a very unique player. Like what
Speaker 5: you guys are saying, from my vantage point, defensively is
Speaker 5: going to be a problem. Offensively, there is a problem
Speaker 5: right now that I think is fixable. They just got
Speaker 5: to learn how to play with him spacing with a
Speaker 5: seven to five guard. How do you figure that out?
Speaker 5: So I think that was definitely on display last night,
Speaker 5: like give him time, give him some time under pop.
Speaker 5: He's already having dinners with Tim Duncan and you know,
Speaker 5: David Robinson sharing Tony Parker. Like he said himself, I mean,
Speaker 5: I have the best role models you could possibly ask for.
Speaker 5: And so will there be a lot of pressure on him? Yes?
Speaker 5: Uh so, you know, and as he does, is he
Speaker 5: deserving of it? People who are more in the no
Speaker 5: more more experts in you know, watching his development, say
Speaker 5: he absolutely is. So I'm going to trust that and
Speaker 5: trust the process and we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 5: When he actually is focused.
Speaker 3: On you know, people are asking like, you know, how
Speaker 3: did you feel about your debut? And he said the
Speaker 3: thing is like, I'm honestly, I felt like I didn't
Speaker 3: know what I was doing out there. That kind of
Speaker 3: to me demonstrates his mentality that he's not so attached
Speaker 3: to it he's and he's transparent enough to be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, the what you saw was me just I
Speaker 3: met these guys.
Speaker 2: Figure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very authentic. He's you know, like even I mean,
Speaker 5: I know we're past this Britney Spear situation, but I
Speaker 5: was there on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 4: Heard you pushed her into Is that true?
Speaker 5: But just like you know, even in having like hearing
Speaker 5: him kind of address that, he just plainly you know,
Speaker 5: said what he knew and what happened. He could have
Speaker 5: had a prepared statement because but I just saw like
Speaker 5: an authenticity of like, yeah, I didn't know, like I
Speaker 5: found something.
Speaker 4: I started got my people on doing some big pr
Speaker 4: spin campaign about like how she was coming for.
Speaker 2: Him or something. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yah, he was just like I don't know, it was
Speaker 4: a weird thing. They're very crowded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's and they told me to just keep walking
Speaker 3: because if we stop, it'll be a bottle neck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes makes total sense, makes total sense.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting to see just like how he
Speaker 5: takes on the pressure that he says he's never felt
Speaker 5: in his life and how that materializes, you know, throughout
Speaker 5: the NBA season, because it will be there constantly, especially
Speaker 5: given that you know, he already has eyeballs on him
Speaker 5: in Las Vegas Summer League, and that's an indicator that,
Speaker 5: like people like ESPN, we're gonna want to put him
Speaker 5: on national TV. You're already grabbing attention during the summer.
Speaker 5: So yes, it's gonna be all right, It's gonna be
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 3: That's not your fault, very niche, I'm a highly reactionary Okay.
Speaker 5: Well, what we've seen more games out of Brandon Miller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks great, he looked he unlimited, and he
Speaker 3: didn't he didn't.
Speaker 5: Commit a foul last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: I think he did look good last night. I think
Speaker 5: he wanted to prove a point. Scooter Henderson looked really good.
Speaker 2: I really really good.
Speaker 5: Really hope that his shoulder injury is not too serious
Speaker 5: and they won't shut him down because I just had
Speaker 5: a feeling like he, you know, he felt like he
Speaker 5: should have been the number one pick. Obviously, women Yama
Speaker 5: was always going to be the number one pick, but
Speaker 5: the question of you know, who should have went to
Speaker 5: should Charlotte taken Scoot regardless of you know, the fact
Speaker 5: that him and LaMelo played the same position. I think
Speaker 5: that's going to be a conversation that happens throughout the sea. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But but Scoot was electric, like he had that arena
Speaker 5: justice hyped. I thought that as as Webinama, we.
Speaker 3: Had the misfortune of showing up right after he got
Speaker 3: pulled in. Oh yeah, yeah if he got his thirteen points.
Speaker 3: But after watching everything, like yeah, the replays and stuff,
Speaker 3: it was I definitely I wish we had left a
Speaker 3: little bit sooner to get there, but yeah, it was
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked awesome.
Speaker 5: And so the Jabariswit Junior and like, I love that
Speaker 5: he's playing in Summer League. Yeah, and his answer was
Speaker 5: like did you see our record last year?
Speaker 3: Why sixteen games and I'm twenty years old would play?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got there just in time for the Jabs
Speaker 4: Junior show the show Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then the you know game winner
Speaker 5: at the end, like that was like that's that's peak
Speaker 5: Summer League.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it.
Speaker 5: Feels like arch badness. And then they turned around like
Speaker 5: it was awesome. And then tonight I have like the
Speaker 5: Pacers and and the Wizards. Ben Maxmins expected to play
Speaker 5: when I could have won six Man of the Year
Speaker 5: so I'm loving these second year guys, you know, wanting
Speaker 5: to come out here just get some running. Why not,
Speaker 5: you know, like you're you're still young. Just because you
Speaker 5: got you know, meaningful minutes doesn't mean that like playing
Speaker 5: summer League. You know braces that right, right.
Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just one more thing on Wemby on the offensive end,
Speaker 4: because another smart NBA person, my good friend Robert Ory,
Speaker 4: once said to us about.
Speaker 2: He was on the show and now we're best friends.
Speaker 5: Should he let you have one of his rings?
Speaker 2: He offered it to me, but I thought I thought
Speaker 2: it was to tell you to get out of the way.
Speaker 3: Yesterday he tried to yourself, tried to hug him ye
Speaker 3: off like Jack okay, but he was talking about with
Speaker 3: with regards to actually Luca.
Speaker 2: He was saying that Luca is Luca. He just got engaged. Yes.
Speaker 4: Uh is like too slow sometimes for defenders to like
Speaker 4: know what he's doing. Like he's so methodical and like
Speaker 4: his movement on the court, like it feels like, wait,
Speaker 4: how is this working? Because he's like actually a step slower,
Speaker 4: but that is like throwing the defense off and he
Speaker 4: knows exactly what to do with that step, And I
Speaker 4: feel like with wem bing Yama on offense, and I
Speaker 4: can't like put it towards exactly what it was, but
Speaker 4: there was something with like pace and like him maybe
Speaker 4: trying to like rush it a little too much, and
Speaker 4: like there's going to be something he figures out with
Speaker 4: regards to like how to use his not not necessarily slowness,
Speaker 4: but you know his like being methodical, and you know
Speaker 4: he has great footwork for a big guy, and I.
Speaker 2: Think there's gonna be something there.
Speaker 4: And I I think like when he puts it together,
Speaker 4: it's going to be interesting and it's not going to
Speaker 4: look like another any other NBA though what you mean,
Speaker 4: it's sort of like trying to hit an off speed
Speaker 4: pitch where it's like not necessarily coming at you the fastest,
Speaker 4: but you're as you try to predict where it's going.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult.
Speaker 3: And I think with like you said, because it's amazing
Speaker 3: how far the ball just travels, like within his wingspan
Speaker 3: that most people would begin to be, you know, shifting
Speaker 3: their weight.
Speaker 4: At one point he crossed over, and like the whole
Speaker 4: defense had to shift because when he crosses over, the
Speaker 4: ball goes from one side of the court to the other.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think watching him is going to be
Speaker 5: a similar experience for fans is watching Nikola Jokic, like
Speaker 5: truly trying to understand like how he impacts the game
Speaker 5: and whatever his magic is going to be at his size. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so that's a pretty good bar.
Speaker 2: Was really good last night. Yeah, Like he dropped some.
Speaker 5: Guns you know, Brandon Miller a couple of times on
Speaker 5: d as well. Look, it wasn't going to.
Speaker 6: Ever be like, you know, space Ja, you wanted to
Speaker 6: dug from Halffort exactly.
Speaker 5: That's that's what all these fans like you like, why
Speaker 5: did any dug from?
Speaker 3: My only concept of basketball comes from space Jam And
Speaker 3: I'm like, where are the mon Stars basketball? He's ever
Speaker 3: watched until last night, and I was kind of freaked out.
Speaker 3: I was like, those guys, I don't see any mon
Speaker 3: Stars out there. Since we are at NBA Fan Con,
Speaker 3: I kind of want to ask you about your fandom
Speaker 3: because we're always curious about this with people who cover basketball.
Speaker 2: Are you do you have a team? Are you a fan?
Speaker 3: Or because of your professionalism and being around the game
Speaker 3: so much, you've transcended fandom and you're purely across the
Speaker 3: board enjoyer of the game.
Speaker 5: So I grew up in Chicago, Okay, during the Jordan here,
Speaker 5: So I did love Clyde.
Speaker 2: Drexler, I really did.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it just that that was basically a big
Speaker 5: part of like how I'm in this business and you know,
Speaker 5: my love for sports and specifically the NBA. Am I
Speaker 5: a Bulls fan? Now? Yes, I pay attention to them,
Speaker 5: but not as like, not as much as I did
Speaker 5: growing up because I have to pay attention to the
Speaker 5: entire league. And on top of that, Bulls, the Bulls
Speaker 5: are not on national TV as as they used to be.
Speaker 5: So yes, where's my fandom. My fandom is for the NBA.
Speaker 5: And I think that's kind of at the heart of,
Speaker 5: you know, my passion for my job is that I
Speaker 5: try to lean in to that passion of loving the
Speaker 5: NBA and being interested in the personalities of not just
Speaker 5: the players, but the leagues and and the teams and
Speaker 5: you know, the drama and the transactions and all the
Speaker 5: different milestones in a in an MBA season and the
Speaker 5: energy around each days in the calendar that kind of
Speaker 5: like get you excited for whatever is coming up next.
Speaker 5: So yes, in a long, long winded answer, my biggest
Speaker 5: team is the NBA, right, right, right.
Speaker 3: But I think even right so for this season too
Speaker 3: and Wemby we're starting, We're always reminded of like international
Speaker 3: appeal of the game. And for you, you said, I've heard
Speaker 3: that you had the Bulls fanom reinforced in the States,
Speaker 3: and also when you go to the Philippines too, like
Speaker 3: where there is there was there a huge contingent of
Speaker 3: Bulls fans in the Philippines or what I mean.
Speaker 5: I haven't been to the Philippines since I was in college,
Speaker 5: but like you know, the Philippines that just have massive
Speaker 5: love for the NBA. They love the Warriors and Lakers.
Speaker 5: Those are the two big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, because so many Filipinos end up coming to
Speaker 3: the West Coast, so it is sort of like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I know.
Speaker 5: There were a lot of Filipinos there, yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 5: was pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: To all of our internationalists.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you talk about you're hungry?
Speaker 3: You said, you know how to say that to go okay,
Speaker 3: trying to help you forget what Mike is cut down.
Speaker 4: You talk about Hoops Paradise, because that's a show where
Speaker 4: you and Nico, uh, you know, talked about how the
Speaker 4: special connection between the Philippines and the NBA, and you
Speaker 4: had a great like episode five, you had a great
Speaker 4: conversation with Raymond Townsend, the first Philippino player, also caught
Speaker 4: up with Spoe Uh and yeah, can you just talk
Speaker 4: about like what what the journey was like on that show.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was awesome. It was like hanging out
Speaker 5: with not just Nico, who is you know, my brother
Speaker 5: from another mother, but you know, Peter and Grace working
Speaker 5: on that. To our producer, yeahs from the Philippines.
Speaker 4: We've been up here for two days recording. This is
Speaker 4: the first time Peter has clapped.
Speaker 5: Because that is exactly what I did.
Speaker 2: And that's the only shut out. Steve the God, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we got them all.
Speaker 5: No, but it was it was It was actually a
Speaker 5: beautiful journey for me personally. It helped me reconnect with
Speaker 5: my heritage and also you know, being able to kind
Speaker 5: of learn just more about the passion I experienced it
Speaker 5: when I'm at games and you know, I have a
Speaker 5: lot of Filipino fans reach out to me, like, you know,
Speaker 5: we we love the NBA. It's great to see a
Speaker 5: Filipino you know, cover the NBA and on the sidelines
Speaker 5: and that like that means everything to me, and working
Speaker 5: on this podcast, it was kind of like Nego was
Speaker 5: educating me along with the viewers how deep the passion
Speaker 5: is in the Philippines and being able to speak with Spoe.
Speaker 5: This was before obviously the playoff run. You know, he
Speaker 5: kind of has a similar experience. We were both actually
Speaker 5: born in the same town, yes, and we both are
Speaker 5: mixed with you know, kind of the same descent. His
Speaker 5: mom is Filipino just like mine, and his dad is
Speaker 5: of European descent, so we're like, are we brother and sisters?
Speaker 5: But he he was just he was awesome. And he's
Speaker 5: obviously going to the Philippines this summer, and he said
Speaker 5: that listening to Hoops Paradise, he told me this, Uh,
Speaker 5: during the playoff runs, He's going to do that on
Speaker 5: his way to the Philippines. So held them to it.
Speaker 5: I saw him yesterday, but I'm gonna hold him to
Speaker 5: it when he gets.
Speaker 2: Back that you subscribed. Yes, yeah, the big thing.
Speaker 5: A few Filipino flags and then we got fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I thought you're going to say he listened
Speaker 4: to the show and it inspired their playoff run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, let's take that. And then so
Speaker 2: you said. Eric Sposter credits the podcast for.
Speaker 5: Their Deep Who Paradise for the power to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: The power of these podcasts. I gotta tell you. All right, well,
Speaker 2: I think it's time. Now, it's time. Yes, Cassidy, what
Speaker 2: is your time to show? You're on Miles and Jack.
Speaker 3: Got mad Boosti's and we have a segment called the
Speaker 3: Rapid Fire Round of Questions. Now we're going to ask
Speaker 3: you some questions. Just give us your take, just fire
Speaker 3: it right back. Just give us a quick, succinct answer.
Speaker 3: If we start talking on and on. We need you
Speaker 3: to just help guide the segment because you're a professional
Speaker 3: and we.
Speaker 2: Are am I, as you mentioned, idiots. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 2: don't quite know what we're doing.
Speaker 3: And we like to keep the title that this is
Speaker 3: the fastest question and answer segment in all sports podcasts.
Speaker 2: So please, we're counting on you. Okay, let it's fine,
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 1: Jack. You want to go?
Speaker 2: All right? You went first last time. Yeah, why don't
Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna go first? Uh, here we go.
Speaker 2: We're talking teams that we want to cover in the
Speaker 2: off season.
Speaker 3: Now, the Spurs are obviously a shoe And what's a
Speaker 3: team you're expecting big things from. We talked about you
Speaker 3: know obviously, ok see Orlando, Phoenix, Portland.
Speaker 2: Who else you want to throw in the Knicks and why.
Speaker 5: Lakers? Okay, yeah, you know they made some interesting moves.
Speaker 5: I mean they're in the Western Conference finals. Like they
Speaker 5: brought back pretty much, you know, all the main characters
Speaker 5: and then added gave Vincent. So, uh, they're always going
Speaker 5: to be interesting because what what does Lebron have left
Speaker 5: in the tank? Yeah, I think the Bucks they made
Speaker 5: great moves as well. They were you know, they were
Speaker 5: the favorites. Gianness is posting all over social media like
Speaker 5: I'm focused, I'm gonna come back, So I would say
Speaker 5: I'm interested in the Bucks in the East, and I
Speaker 5: guess the Lakers in the West.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that Lakers don't get enough attention on
Speaker 4: on this podcast, in particular from the Lakers though, and
Speaker 4: just generally media talked.
Speaker 5: About they should talk more about that guy, Lebron James.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: Us as I wear shirt.
Speaker 4: All right, we're in the middle of NBA Con. They
Speaker 4: are like little like games all over the place. There's
Speaker 4: a twenty foot hoop over there that I dunked on earlier.
Speaker 4: There's a freak dunked on the twenty foot hoop.
Speaker 2: No big deal. There's like a half court shot contest
Speaker 2: over there. Can you pitch me an NBA con feature.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to cohere to the laws of physics
Speaker 4: or reality. Our super producer Brian was saying he wants
Speaker 4: to be able to like feel what it's like to dunk,
Speaker 4: like somehow, maybe with like crouching tiger, hidden dragon wires.
Speaker 4: I'd like something that allows me to walk around in
Speaker 4: the world and feel like I'm the size of Victor Webbing,
Speaker 4: Like if they just like created a mini miniature room.
Speaker 3: Specifically co shrunken down to my scale, so my six
Speaker 3: foot one frame feels like it's six ' eight and
Speaker 3: the balls is a little bit small.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that feel like, that's my that's my wiss.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I was thinking about like a bouncy
Speaker 5: house type of basketball situation, but I feel like that's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I keep seeing videos of Drake's concert and his hologram
Speaker 5: that he has, like that he sits next to on
Speaker 5: a couch. Yeah, it would be cool to do like
Speaker 5: holograms of like legends and that type of visual yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: or it could be weird too, but uh, I think
Speaker 5: it could be fun. I don't know, I got I
Speaker 5: have to do another couple of like laps and see
Speaker 5: if I inspiration.
Speaker 2: Inspiration.
Speaker 3: I would love holograms too, just a made up handel
Speaker 3: of just everybody and you.
Speaker 5: Could just like pretend like you're hanging out with for you,
Speaker 5: like create like a table of like you're out to dinner,
Speaker 5: Like look at the party I was at in Vegas.
Speaker 5: Put like a carbone background right on the broad you know,
Speaker 5: hool everyone.
Speaker 2: Here's my next question.
Speaker 3: Ever, somebody who you know travels the league and and
Speaker 3: knows that the team's pretty well, what's the best NBA
Speaker 3: city to catch a game in and what's your favorite
Speaker 3: thing to eat in that city?
Speaker 5: Okay, it's hard for me because I base everything on
Speaker 5: where my seat is and how easy it is for
Speaker 5: me to do my job in terms.
Speaker 8: Of NBA city because the first thing is like obviously
Speaker 8: I would say MSG, but I also hate doing games
Speaker 8: and MSG because my seat is so uncomfortable there.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Okay, like we have like a little.
Speaker 5: This is gonna and I'm not going to go into
Speaker 5: me complaining about my seat. I'm like, there's no desk
Speaker 5: and there, you know, so I'm balancing like my laptop
Speaker 5: and my own.
Speaker 2: In the seat. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 5: And I'm in the crowd, and so people are always
Speaker 5: like reaching down on my computers.
Speaker 2: And like so do you pass me that right there?
Speaker 5: But that's also with you know, the the jazz Arena
Speaker 5: used to be I would have to walk up into
Speaker 5: the stands and like go, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 5: Every time I was like go down to a uh
Speaker 5: do a play coaches interview. So those two places I
Speaker 5: don't love doing games.
Speaker 2: But the cities.
Speaker 5: But the city, the city is like solid city, did
Speaker 5: an amazing job. We're an all star. And New York
Speaker 5: is New York. Man from New York. Yeah, so all right,
Speaker 5: best meal in New York? Sure, that's really hard.
Speaker 2: You know you're not.
Speaker 3: You don't have to tell me, like unequivocally this is
Speaker 3: the best thing. But for you, what is your go to?
Speaker 5: I mean there's so many there's so many in New York.
Speaker 2: I've never been to New York. What's good to eat?
Speaker 2: You take me somewhere.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think you can go wrong with like,
Speaker 5: there's so m many good Italian spots in New York in.
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 5: Heard that. I'm gonna leave it at that. I can't
Speaker 5: find a good Chinese place and I can't find a
Speaker 5: Mexican for some reason. But I think that's a me problem,
Speaker 5: not an n y C problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: And finally the question everybody's here to hear you answer Jack,
Speaker 4: which is me or Miles?
Speaker 5: Just I'm just picking between you. Yeah, I have more
Speaker 5: history with Jack.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is answer. I just thought that was
Speaker 2: kind of like I thought you were sorry. That's how
Speaker 2: to answer. That's just already seen how graceless I am.
Speaker 5: In wait, are we talking about like this is my
Speaker 5: you know, partner for two on two? Like are we
Speaker 5: talking about? What is this?
Speaker 2: It's just it's.
Speaker 5: But you also get points because you just you busted
Speaker 5: out the yeah. But are you Filipino?
Speaker 3: No, I'm black and the but I oh yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what happened.
Speaker 2: I can get you.
Speaker 5: Really could, you know? And that's what Filipinos do. We
Speaker 5: just go up the round a Filipino.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know Filipino. Yeah, but I love funseet so
Speaker 2: you know, let's go all right.
Speaker 5: So so now it's one to one. I don't know
Speaker 5: what's going to be the tie breaker.
Speaker 4: Dang dunked on that twenty foot hoop earlier. If we're
Speaker 4: doing the.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about basketball, Okay.
Speaker 5: Who's your favorite team? Who's your favorite team? I think
Speaker 5: I gotta go with him a lot this year? Okay,
Speaker 5: and so I've been on kind of like a Sixers beat.
Speaker 5: So that's how I that was that.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good answer. I can live with that.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us on Miles and
Speaker 4: Jack got Matt book. One of guys, Uh, where where
Speaker 4: can people find you? Follow you, see you, hear you,
Speaker 4: all that good stuff.
Speaker 5: I'll be on the sidelines next two nights or Soundaturday
Speaker 5: and Sunday, depending on when you listen to this, and
Speaker 5: then I'm.
Speaker 2: Out catch me on the beach.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll see it in the fall on
Speaker 5: the sideline. That also, don't forget to download, subscribe, comment
Speaker 5: and yeah yeah yeah to wait wherever you find your podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, Thanks for doing well.
Speaker 3: This wraps it up for this edition of Mad Boosty's
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Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well people, welcome back to NBA CON Miles
Speaker 3: and Jackot, Matt Lucy. We are here for a very
Speaker 3: very special discussion. We have probably the most iconic guests
Speaker 3: we have ever had on this show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it most doesn't seem like we should be sitting
Speaker 4: next to this person.
Speaker 3: Instant the classes on the podcast by having this man
Speaker 3: even sit next to us and entertain our questions that
Speaker 3: sometimes border on not the most intelligent, But we are
Speaker 3: here to have some very intelligent discussion with Hall of
Speaker 3: Famer Spencer Hayley.
Speaker 2: What is going on? Spencer? Thank you so much for jurning.
Speaker 9: This is just incredible and what two guys are doing
Speaker 9: with your podcast and NBA CON. I am so I
Speaker 9: floored by everything and I was put together in a
Speaker 9: short period of time. And also last night for an example,
Speaker 9: I mean it was insane. Yeah, Thomas and Mat Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: we wanted to talk a little bit to you about that.
Speaker 3: Like Summer League is going on, this is obviously some
Speaker 3: big moments for people entering the league. You yourself, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're going to get into that of a very storied
Speaker 3: entry into the league and things like that. But you know,
Speaker 3: what do you think? You know, what is this like
Speaker 3: for these guys that are showing up here and they're
Speaker 3: sort of on the precipice of entering the league, Like.
Speaker 9: What you know, it's a great opportunity. Really, I mean,
Speaker 9: you've got players like Garcia. Last night, I didn't know
Speaker 9: who he was, and I'm watching him from Golden State.
Speaker 9: I'm well, somebody, if Golden State don't sign him, I
Speaker 9: would go after him because he's he's he's game ready
Speaker 9: and he's been playing in Brazil for I guess four.
Speaker 1: Years or five years. Yeah, he's just it was so special.
Speaker 1: That was one of the guys I was watching, And
Speaker 1: I watched Winby.
Speaker 9: And the other kid from Alabama, Brilla. So I was
Speaker 9: just watching the players, and then I was watching guys
Speaker 9: who were not in the spotlight, but yet they are
Speaker 9: going to be in the spotlight because they are going
Speaker 9: to make some themes. So I sat up there last
Speaker 9: night in my home watching games. Oh night, I'm like, well.
Speaker 1: I had the lacaphone. Yeah, exactly, pretty that one all.
Speaker 9: But he's just so exciting for the city, for the
Speaker 9: city of Las Vegas, and for the fans to be
Speaker 9: here on the weekend to be a part of this,
Speaker 9: this is just an awesome time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There was one moment during the Blazers game where watching
Speaker 4: scoop and you know, Jabari Smith Junior, and.
Speaker 2: Then this guy gets out there. He's lovely, a little smaller.
Speaker 4: He starts like banging threes, like fading away out of bounds,
Speaker 4: like hitting threes, and I was like, that kind of
Speaker 4: looks familiar. It was Antoine Davis who like came three
Speaker 4: points shy and breaking Pete Marravitch's.
Speaker 2: Where he went to school, Detroit Mercy. Hello, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: right there, it is.
Speaker 9: And everybody is talking, well, you know he's too small,
Speaker 9: he don't.
Speaker 2: Have the body he is he can fill it up
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 1: You fill it up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and the guy like that, he's making this worth
Speaker 9: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then if you know, if you miss out on
Speaker 1: the NBA.
Speaker 9: You can go to the t LEG, you can go
Speaker 9: to Europe, you can go to China. Well, I mean
Speaker 9: if you go to China, you might be stuck for
Speaker 9: the contract and they won't let you come back right yeah,
Speaker 9: right away.
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, so you have a.
Speaker 4: You had a pretty unique rookie season in the one
Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year and MVP of the a BA.
Speaker 1: And MVP at the All Star Game. Sprink.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, so these people won't be thinking, oh,
Speaker 9: yeah average ten and ten, No I average thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Yeah, And I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 9: So all of these young guys who are like, oh
Speaker 9: my gosh, he's gonna mature when you get to be
Speaker 9: twenty five. He was like, Man, I had played and
Speaker 9: they went to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: I've done it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's a huge thing to talk about, right,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people don't realize how you are
Speaker 3: a seminal figure in the league that we have today
Speaker 3: that without just just for people who don't know, kind
Speaker 3: of describe the situation, because we would not have people
Speaker 3: like Kevin Barnett, Kobe Bryant, other people being able.
Speaker 1: Michael Michael Geordan. Yeah, fo years after he walk me
Speaker 1: through that process.
Speaker 9: Yeah, when I was in the ABA, after that first
Speaker 9: year I jumped to the NBA. The NBA said that
Speaker 9: I was inelgible to play because I had in phinished
Speaker 9: four years of college and you had to have.
Speaker 1: Four years out of basketball. I mean four years after
Speaker 1: your high school titles, right.
Speaker 9: I graduated before you could go into the NBA, And
Speaker 9: so I sued them for the rights to play, and
Speaker 9: we had like my.
Speaker 1: Case started off like ball, kay, I have a ten day,
Speaker 1: a ten game in junson against me.
Speaker 9: So I had to sit home with Rick Wells, you
Speaker 9: know with the Golden State Boys.
Speaker 1: Uh, he was the general manager of there. He was
Speaker 1: our ball boy. And see he was our ball boy.
Speaker 1: And Lenny Wilks was the player coach. He played in
Speaker 1: coach Tom Tom.
Speaker 9: Serry, it was the associate coach. And our assistant coach
Speaker 9: was Rod Thorne, who was a player coach.
Speaker 1: For these guys. We had no one on that team
Speaker 1: had on a suit. Everybody had on a.
Speaker 2: Everyone's wearing by the way, I think coaches should still
Speaker 2: have to wear the uniform. Don't you think that would
Speaker 2: be amazing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if the managers weren't there, some.
Speaker 1: Of the outfits they're wearing today.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of warm ups now.
Speaker 1: Anyways, right, yeah, yeah, put on the suit or something. Yeah.
Speaker 9: But so they would get a ten game in junction
Speaker 9: against me, and then I would get a.
Speaker 1: Ten game.
Speaker 9: Stayed to play, and when I would walk out on
Speaker 9: the floor, they would say, ladies and gentlemen, we have
Speaker 9: an illegal player on the floor, number twenty four.
Speaker 1: This game is being played on the protests.
Speaker 2: All right, wait, do you opposing to you? Like when
Speaker 2: you were playing an away game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that away game. Okay.
Speaker 9: One particular night I was playing in Chicago against the
Speaker 9: Chicago Bulls. Chat Walker said he heard his ankle while
Speaker 9: I was warming up, and they sued me for six
Speaker 9: hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: What that was?
Speaker 1: The battle?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: The battle? So you I go through all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I go through.
Speaker 9: The lower courts all the way to the district and
Speaker 9: we got to the Supreme Court where Thirdod Marshall's justice.
Speaker 1: I think it's Warren.
Speaker 9: Douglas or somebody who else was the head justice at
Speaker 9: that time. On March first, nineteen seventy one, said we
Speaker 9: cannot stop this young man from playing basketball in the
Speaker 9: NBA because we are allowing our players, our our young
Speaker 9: men to go to war in Vietnam places like that
Speaker 9: at age eighteen, and yet we're acting him to stay
Speaker 9: in college. And at the same time, my family was
Speaker 9: dirt poor in Silver City, Mississippi making two.
Speaker 1: Dollars a day. So I was like trying to get
Speaker 1: my folks out of that.
Speaker 2: And I didn't have a small family either, right, No, I.
Speaker 1: Was ten of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, so it makes it really important.
Speaker 9: Yes, just so then they hand down that decision, and
Speaker 9: that's what changed the NBA game as we know it
Speaker 9: because from that point on the NBA we only had
Speaker 9: sixteen teams, I think, and right away, because of this ruling,
Speaker 9: the NBA were able to say, oh, we can go
Speaker 9: get Bob McAdoo, we can go get all.
Speaker 1: Of these players college.
Speaker 9: Early they would come into the NBA and we can
Speaker 9: expand Yeah, and that's how the expansion came about through
Speaker 9: this one.
Speaker 1: Little old dude, Yeah, from Silvil, Mississippi.
Speaker 9: And it ain't no silver, it ain't no city.
Speaker 4: Do you think the Chief Justice, like there's probably some
Speaker 4: legal reasoning, but do you think he was just a
Speaker 4: fan of your game and wanted to see you get
Speaker 4: out there and put the ball in the hoop.
Speaker 1: And that's why No.
Speaker 9: They were going, yeah, got to see it.
Speaker 1: I gotta see it, know.
Speaker 5: That A one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I don't know if they're good. We'll see
Speaker 2: what we'll see what he can do on his side.
Speaker 9: They're doing the movie of my life, So I can't
Speaker 9: incorporate that. Yeah, incorporate that. Then third good Marshall said,
Speaker 9: I gotta go see this guy.
Speaker 10: He's turn around just like shot and he can rebounds.
Speaker 10: I want to see him play. Yeah, this case is
Speaker 10: exactly now let's go watch him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But from this case, you know, it is estimated that
Speaker 9: in players revenue and players salary it has been somewhere
Speaker 9: around six dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of money made you.
Speaker 3: Think you think they have no for the domino effect, right,
Speaker 3: because like that's why I say, like you not only
Speaker 3: like when you think about it.
Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy one until now, right, and you.
Speaker 2: Think about all the people that have been able to
Speaker 2: enter the league early.
Speaker 3: And you know, famously we talked about Lebron James, right,
Speaker 3: what would that what's that scoring title look like?
Speaker 2: He doesn't?
Speaker 1: He would be eight hundred.
Speaker 9: He would be eight thousand, three hundred and forty one
Speaker 9: points short of Kareem.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you did that man did the matcham so?
Speaker 2: And what did he tell you? Is he's any hard feelings?
Speaker 1: No, he's creamus.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 9: Remember when I was going through this case the Players
Speaker 9: Association Union, they didn't support me. So when I won
Speaker 9: the case, it was still a little difficulty. So when
Speaker 9: we got to Milwaukee to play the Bucks, and normally
Speaker 9: they would take their team downstairs and say, well let
Speaker 9: him sweat it out of there, let people hit it
Speaker 9: with real bottle.
Speaker 1: Us and Kareem didn't go downstairs. He stayed up.
Speaker 9: So we've been Buddy's Yeah, nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he teases you though probably Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 2: why did.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but all these young guys come in earlier?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it.
Speaker 3: I think that's what's so important too, Like when we
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to sit down with you. For us,
Speaker 3: it's like, you don't have the league as it is
Speaker 3: today without your trials and tribulations and the work that
Speaker 3: the foundation that you laid the groundwork for. And it's
Speaker 3: nice to see people like you know, I always see
Speaker 3: people like Kevin Garnett during that man he's very consistent
Speaker 3: with giving you your flowers and pointing to the like
Speaker 3: the work that you've done, how you know, like and
Speaker 3: he talks about sort of like this generational wisdom in
Speaker 3: the game, like do you see that evolving or do
Speaker 3: you just like, what's the importance of you know, people
Speaker 3: like you or people who have experienced the league and
Speaker 3: know the ins and outs of things and being able
Speaker 3: to transmit that knowledge down to these guys were entering
Speaker 3: the league, especially in a time like this where something else.
Speaker 9: That is one of the things that all of us
Speaker 9: old hits talk about, we need to be around the
Speaker 9: young guys to just impart this information and they understanding
Speaker 9: so that they can appreciate the game.
Speaker 1: Like Okay, for.
Speaker 9: An example, Yeah, I was talking.
Speaker 1: With one of the handlers for a job.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and we were talking and he said, you know,
Speaker 9: maybe if John knew that you went to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 9: that you had to struggle through all of this to
Speaker 9: get where.
Speaker 1: He is today.
Speaker 9: And I used that experience as he wouldn't take the
Speaker 9: NBA for granted.
Speaker 3: Sure, And what are some other like what are some
Speaker 3: things like pieces of wisdom that you would pass down
Speaker 3: to like, you know, a rookie coming in and say, hey, Spencer,
Speaker 3: you know, drop some science on me, Well it's something
Speaker 3: I need to know.
Speaker 9: Well, I would drop this the knowledge on them, saying
Speaker 9: stating that you know, back in the day before I
Speaker 9: got my contract, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell arguer and
Speaker 9: over who was going to be the highest paid.
Speaker 1: Player in the NBA.
Speaker 9: And the salary was one twenty five hundred and twenty
Speaker 9: five thousand per.
Speaker 1: Year, not for theamn right who was getting twelve dollars
Speaker 1: per data.
Speaker 9: But anyway, and read Arbac said, well, you know, I'm
Speaker 9: gonna make you the highest paid player Bill Rossell.
Speaker 1: He reached in his pocket and gave me one dollar more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That'll do it.
Speaker 1: That's history.
Speaker 9: So Bill Rosser said, hey, I'm the highest paide player,
Speaker 9: I'm the best player.
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in. Let's go, right, And so those
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 9: Stories and just annoying the history of the game, a
Speaker 9: knowing the beauty of this game, how far this has grown.
Speaker 9: I mean, you got guys who are making two sixty
Speaker 9: two hundred sixty million, all of this stuff here and like,
Speaker 9: So when I was staying with Lebron, I was telling him, I.
Speaker 1: Said, hey, you know you owe me.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I don't want them to get nervous about
Speaker 11: that percentage.
Speaker 3: I explaining I did the math.
Speaker 9: So I was explaining that you know, you know you're
Speaker 9: making like fifty million a year, you will be two
Speaker 9: hundred million dollars short.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, you got four extra years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4: Things to think about Lebron as a listener, So yeah,
Speaker 4: for you to think about he did he.
Speaker 1: Did a special for me on.
Speaker 9: Showtime, Yeah, called the what is it called?
Speaker 1: I can't think of the name of it right now.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with getting old.
Speaker 2: I've already got that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called.
Speaker 9: The the Case Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Showtime.
Speaker 9: But he did a nice, wonderful special about the rule
Speaker 9: is what it's called the Ryan right right, And so
Speaker 9: a lot of players are beginning to learn about what
Speaker 9: I've done and who I am. Yeah, and it's a
Speaker 9: wonderful times the basketball. Yeah, just looking around and here
Speaker 9: what what you guys are doing, and look at what
Speaker 9: you're doing with your podcast.
Speaker 2: It's just you. Oh, we wouldn't have to show also
Speaker 2: without you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I know that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I started recording straight out of high school, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They used to say you couldn't you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they say a couple of years in junior high.
Speaker 4: On the court, on the court, you went against some
Speaker 4: of the best.
Speaker 2: You are one of the best.
Speaker 4: What are you What are your thoughts on this current
Speaker 4: the current state of the big man in the NBA,
Speaker 4: Because I mean, we got mb and I'm a six
Speaker 4: Ers fan, we got indeed, we got Jokic. You know,
Speaker 4: we've got some unconventional big men like Giannis. But you
Speaker 4: know eight six to eight years ago everyone was like
Speaker 4: small balls, A few ture big men are over.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on big w be over?
Speaker 9: Because you have to play the game. You have to
Speaker 9: play it inside and out, not outside.
Speaker 1: And then unless the golden state, right, that's right.
Speaker 9: But I look at a guy like Boogie Cousins, Dwight Howard,
Speaker 9: I can't understand.
Speaker 1: Why they're not in the league. I mean that's just me.
Speaker 1: But then I look at a guy like Jokish, I
Speaker 1: mean what a player?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean fundamentals can take you where talent can't
Speaker 9: take her. The fundamentals of the game can take you
Speaker 9: where talent can't take you.
Speaker 1: Because I look at him, I look at do you know.
Speaker 9: The last three m vps are non Americans?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And so the game is too big?
Speaker 2: Ye also big men and big man So.
Speaker 9: The theory that you know we're gonna be three point
Speaker 9: eight shooting contest is not valid.
Speaker 1: Did you think did.
Speaker 2: You think that you would see the position evolved in
Speaker 2: this way where we're.
Speaker 3: Now we're seeing seven footers mooring now point guards and
Speaker 3: anything like that, or or just kind of.
Speaker 1: Well, we're just going through a phase.
Speaker 9: But I still believe that you have to play with
Speaker 9: in and then you go out because if you throw
Speaker 9: the ball into the center and you cut off of him,
Speaker 9: you run through your three point line or whatever, you
Speaker 9: can get a good shot if you got to throw
Speaker 9: it out, if they double, if they.
Speaker 1: Don't, you do the other center.
Speaker 2: Yao.
Speaker 1: Right, So the game is.
Speaker 9: Just evolving, and it's comfortably evolving and evolving, and it's it's.
Speaker 3: Just so one thing I'm I always think about with
Speaker 3: like the evolution of the game is just how the
Speaker 3: physicality and how different things are and everything.
Speaker 2: I could already see a smile on your face.
Speaker 1: Boy, I would love to play right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like I would fall over.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What were things that were like that?
Speaker 3: You were like that was normal when I was playing
Speaker 3: that to now you're like that's a flak or you.
Speaker 9: Know, well, Gus Johnson, west Son, sil Elvin Hayes I'm
Speaker 9: just going with the forwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sidney Wicks.
Speaker 1: Is another guy that you don't hear about. Maurice Lucas.
Speaker 1: We banged. It's like a bloody wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 9: To see you guys, you know, like no touch and
Speaker 9: you take that three step zero step. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 9: all good for basketball. You're bringing everybody else into it,
Speaker 9: and so you can make the adapts. They can adapt
Speaker 9: to the game. But nevertheless, Boyle's hey.
Speaker 1: Look at that. There's a Sonic jersey. Hey, hey, and
Speaker 1: there's a Laker.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they know, they know, they know, they know.
Speaker 2: You're running around what was like the most physical game
Speaker 2: you ever played in.
Speaker 3: In terms of like we were there ever times like
Speaker 3: you got really rocked and you're like, okay.
Speaker 1: I can't show anything.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I got rocked a few times with Baltimore
Speaker 9: Bullets way back in the day when I first came
Speaker 9: into the league.
Speaker 1: I know, y'all have one who went out there. There's
Speaker 1: there such a thing as Baltimore Well.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yes, they were.
Speaker 9: There was the Baltimore Bullets back in the day, or
Speaker 9: just the Watchington Wizards today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a team called the Seattle Supersonic back
Speaker 1: in the day that is now now okay see, but
Speaker 1: back to Seattle. Yeah, so you know they're.
Speaker 2: Well, like, so what in that game when you were
Speaker 2: playing against.
Speaker 9: Me, well, Gus Johnson and West Unsales suptrusted me.
Speaker 1: I fell to the floor.
Speaker 9: And I said, Lenny, can you give me a hand man?
Speaker 1: He said, get up on you. You're in the NBA, sir.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 9: I was like, welcome to the league because I had
Speaker 9: came over from the AVA and it was like these
Speaker 9: these these guys are.
Speaker 2: Trying to test me.
Speaker 1: Then I went from from Baltimore.
Speaker 9: We played the New York Knicks and that was Dave
Speaker 9: de Butcher, Jerry Lucas, Willis Red and.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is real ball here.
Speaker 1: So it was just a rugged kind of game.
Speaker 9: But I'm kind of partial to the non touch somewhat
Speaker 9: because we lost a lot of players because of the
Speaker 9: physicality of the game, and so we didn't get a
Speaker 9: chance to get guys playing twenty years, fifteen years, eighteen
Speaker 9: season unless your kareem Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You got Sky can you tell him?
Speaker 9: When I was with the Lakers, he was telling me,
Speaker 9: you know what your with your hand?
Speaker 1: I couldn't teach you how to shoot the skyhook.
Speaker 9: And I kept looking at him like do you know
Speaker 9: if I get that clothes, I'm gonna jump over.
Speaker 2: And yeah, right right, right right, you just dunk it.
Speaker 9: So I lost five years of my career right because
Speaker 9: I didn't listen to Korea.
Speaker 2: Yeah right. He seemed like he had a figure because.
Speaker 9: Magic the three of us were working on that on
Speaker 9: the skyhook and Kareem's teaching me and wanting the sky
Speaker 9: and Magic stayed with him and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I went someplace and got out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a different priority eight. Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1: I fell into a bad place.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, right right, Well I'm glad you got out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thirty nine years and sobriety, so congratulations, start drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's water, but it is aqua fino.
Speaker 1: So I want you.
Speaker 2: What was the medical like, you know, when you when
Speaker 2: you felt that when.
Speaker 4: You got hurt, Like, what were were they like sticking
Speaker 4: your swollen foot in a nice bath with some beers
Speaker 4: in there?
Speaker 1: Like what one of the things. Okay, another thing that
Speaker 1: was was cool that I was.
Speaker 9: I thought it was kind of crazy, but I was, Wow,
Speaker 9: the guys, was that halftime.
Speaker 1: It was in the smoking cigarettes and you know it's
Speaker 1: it's cold.
Speaker 9: In Boston right now, give me some of that brown
Speaker 9: whiskey right.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it was it was different.
Speaker 11: And then when you got hurt, it was like you
Speaker 11: get hurt in the first half and you're like, you
Speaker 11: walk in, cry out, crawl into the locker room and
Speaker 11: guess what, I got a big old horse needl here
Speaker 11: for you. Yeah, you're gonna shoot you up, and you
Speaker 11: get your butt back out there and play.
Speaker 9: And then we would get out of the game and
Speaker 9: finish playing, we get on.
Speaker 1: The bus, go back to the hotel.
Speaker 9: No restaurants open, right right, yeah, because eleven o'clock, right,
Speaker 9: so we had to go search for food.
Speaker 1: And you know it was just light.
Speaker 9: And young players need to know these stories because they're
Speaker 9: flying on planes.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and we were flying.
Speaker 9: Hey, I was the m v P and I'm flying flying,
Speaker 9: flying on the planes and the coach with.
Speaker 3: Your frame, what was that even like would you even
Speaker 3: physically getting the setah you were doing like a cannon ball.
Speaker 2: Position, Yeah, yeah, your chest.
Speaker 9: That was That's what basketball used to be like and
Speaker 9: where we are today.
Speaker 1: So the appreciation levels would be so much higher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it is as more people learn
Speaker 3: and learn, and I think that's why, you know, we
Speaker 3: got to thank you again just for coming on our podcast,
Speaker 3: because yeah, this is it's not often that we get
Speaker 3: to speak with people, you know, who have had such
Speaker 3: a lasting impact on the league. And in a way too,
Speaker 3: that's so subtle that I think, yeah, more and more
Speaker 3: people are learning.
Speaker 2: Just how important you are. So as a fan, I
Speaker 2: want to thank you. As a Laker fan, I want
Speaker 2: to thank you many times. But yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 9: You know them guys always telling me Magic and Cooper
Speaker 9: and you have to stay ahead. Five in a row.
Speaker 2: I met guys so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but day but they said it from
Speaker 3: their lips to your ears.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It is what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so.
Speaker 3: Much, Spencer Hey for joining us on Miles and Jack
Speaker 3: out mat Bue season. Thank you guys for listening to
Speaker 3: this very special episode live from NBA Con and Las Vegas.