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Speaker 1: Guess what.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody.

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Speaker 3: Miles that Jack Got Mad Boosties has returned for Day

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Speaker 3: two of NBA Con and Las Vegas Summer League.

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Speaker 2: We were very blessed.

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Speaker 4: I think we can just call it the Con. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it needs it's only what Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's a good point.

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Speaker 3: NBA Con and we're catching up with ESPN's Cassidy Hubbard

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Speaker 3: to talk about Summer League and.

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Speaker 2: About the phenomenal podcast Hoops Paradise. If you don't know

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Speaker 2: I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 3: On iHeartRadio talking about the Philippines love of the game

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Speaker 3: and also currently sideline recording here from Summer League. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk all about that, but first let me introduce myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm Miles Great and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is

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Speaker 3: Got Mad Boes.

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Speaker 5: You do need to.

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Speaker 4: Sing loud because there's a little music in the background.

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Speaker 1: It's all right.

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Speaker 2: I think people would rather hear us sing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can do some offkeever DJ. Yeah yeah, I will

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Speaker 2: put with him.

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Speaker 3: I'm an only child, so I will try and outscream

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Speaker 3: and amplify the show.

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Speaker 5: I want to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm a podcaster. You are raising a podcaster.

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Speaker 3: Cassidy Hubbard, thank you so much for joining us here. Uh,

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Speaker 3: we're here in Vegas. The energy isantiable.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy last night.

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Speaker 4: So we're recording this the day after Wembing Yama's debut. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and uh it was exciting that like you could actually

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Speaker 4: hear people's like energy, like when he walked in, like

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Speaker 4: walked onto the court for the first time, just when

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Speaker 4: he would like put a shot up in warm up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people were like it was like the second he.

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Speaker 3: Wind up, oh oh, and then just silence too. It

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Speaker 3: was really interesting like how people were like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I think maybe so overcome by the expectation of what

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Speaker 3: was cheered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the energy was definitely big last night

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Speaker 5: for the first half. Yeah yeah, and leading into it,

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Speaker 5: and the the energy even leading into the game. Uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, Thompson Mac was filled even for that great

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Speaker 5: Uh Rockets Blazers lost Scoot and the men got hurt.

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Speaker 5: But uh that was a perfect setup as like Wemby

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Speaker 5: over all of them. He was like hanging up the ceiling.

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Speaker 5: I don't know where you guys were seated, but like that,

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Speaker 5: so maybe you saw it, you were.

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Speaker 4: Actually just trying to get a vantage point. That was

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Speaker 4: similar to.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fair point, fair point, but like just him watching

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Speaker 5: that game, everyone watching him and the game, that energy

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Speaker 5: kind of like network in the Summer League, because that's

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Speaker 5: I had the hardest time getting to my seats because

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Speaker 5: even for you know, I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 5: remember how big Lonzo staying here in Summer League was.

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Speaker 5: That for me was like the first time where Summer

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Speaker 5: League just felt like a big event. I will say

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Speaker 5: like the way the crowd was reacting to Wemby felt

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Speaker 5: similar to the way the crowd was reacting to Zion,

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Speaker 5: but Zion put on more of a show yea fed

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Speaker 5: to the crowd and his free game dunks. I think

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Speaker 5: about Wembin Yama for like a long time, mostly for

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Speaker 5: NBA people. For the last year. People were just curious,

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Speaker 5: like they've heard so much. They sure you watched some

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he was trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot. I feel like there's just a lot

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Speaker 4: There was a lot like you could see a little

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Speaker 4: that's perfectly healthy and natural, and like that is what

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Speaker 4: every NBA player has to be able to do, is

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Speaker 4: like that all right, now things have started. Now you

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Speaker 4: going exactly as you pictured it in your head, you know.

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Speaker 5: And it's interesting because he mentioned, you know, in the

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Speaker 5: pre draft interviews, he said to like Urmilie Andrews, I

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Speaker 5: don't feel pressure. I've never even felt pressure, even in school,

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Speaker 5: anything I've done, I've never felt pressure.

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Speaker 2: I'm just good at it.

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Speaker 1: Everything.

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Speaker 2: Like that's why I identify with him, you know.

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Speaker 4: It's just like, yeah, everything's so easy.

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Speaker 5: Boom comes to Las Vegas, you know, gets his first

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Speaker 5: to him, into his first debut. I think into you know,

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Speaker 5: playing with these guys really for the first time, trying

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Speaker 5: but Spurs basketball. That's something he told me. He's like,

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Speaker 5: I'm still learning the principles you mentioned last night. He goes,

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Speaker 5: I didn't really know what I was doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mentioned that because I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: I don't know you were.

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Speaker 2: A couple of those blocks.

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Speaker 4: them like, so I would say my big takeaways as

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Speaker 3: Even his version of like the Cornet contest, like he

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Speaker 2: The Cornet contest.

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Speaker 4: Is the move where you jump up when you're in

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Speaker 4: the paint and someone shooting three that we saw Luke

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Speaker 5: He didn't get dunked on, though, yeah he.

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Speaker 4: Did get dunked on, but I will say he was

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Speaker 4: also like doing the thing that Yiannis did in that

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Speaker 4: threw the alley oop and then like very nearly blocked.

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Speaker 7: The didn't tell the full Yeah, tell the full story

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Speaker 7: for sure, Cassidy famously, you know what you're talking about

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Speaker 7: when it comes to basketball.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: So we're idiots, so we we should open everything usually

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Speaker 4: we do. We just got so excited about the webaa thing.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of idiots.

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Speaker 2: Uh yea.

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Speaker 3: So now I saw those stats, like you said, I said,

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Speaker 3: he only have five rebounds. This guy's a bust. Can

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Speaker 3: you explain to me? And the other fans were very

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Speaker 3: worried why we are completely wrong and off base.

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Speaker 5: It's one summer league game.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 5: But look, that's the nature of summer league. That's also

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Speaker 5: part of the fun. That's also the reason why there's

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Speaker 5: an NBA con right now in Las Vegas, because of

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Speaker 5: the success and interest level in summer league. Because NBA

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Speaker 5: fans love talking about the NBA and like controversy and

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Speaker 5: you know, debating, and so you're fine to live in

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Speaker 5: that world if it makes you happy. You know, over

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Speaker 5: here in reality, he's a very unique player. Like what

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Speaker 5: you guys are saying, from my vantage point, defensively is

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Speaker 5: going to be a problem. Offensively, there is a problem

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Speaker 5: right now that I think is fixable. They just got

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Speaker 5: to learn how to play with him spacing with a

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Speaker 5: seven to five guard. How do you figure that out?

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Speaker 5: So I think that was definitely on display last night,

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Speaker 5: like give him time, give him some time under pop.

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Speaker 5: He's already having dinners with Tim Duncan and you know,

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Speaker 5: David Robinson sharing Tony Parker. Like he said himself, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I have the best role models you could possibly ask for.

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Speaker 5: And so will there be a lot of pressure on him? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Uh so, you know, and as he does, is he

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Speaker 5: more more experts in you know, watching his development, say

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Speaker 5: he absolutely is. So I'm going to trust that and

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Speaker 5: When he actually is focused.

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Speaker 3: On you know, people are asking like, you know, how

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Speaker 3: thing is like, I'm honestly, I felt like I didn't

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Speaker 3: to me demonstrates his mentality that he's not so attached

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Speaker 3: to it he's and he's transparent enough to be like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, the what you saw was me just I

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Speaker 2: Figure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very authentic. He's you know, like even I mean,

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Speaker 5: I know we're past this Britney Spear situation, but I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 5: But just like you know, even in having like hearing

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Speaker 5: him kind of address that, he just plainly you know,

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Speaker 5: said what he knew and what happened. He could have

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Speaker 5: had a prepared statement because but I just saw like

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Speaker 5: an authenticity of like, yeah, I didn't know, like I

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Speaker 5: found something.

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Speaker 4: I started got my people on doing some big pr

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Speaker 4: spin campaign about like how she was coming for.

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Speaker 2: Him or something. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yah, he was just like I don't know, it was

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Speaker 4: a weird thing. They're very crowded.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's and they told me to just keep walking

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Speaker 3: because if we stop, it'll be a bottle neck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes makes total sense, makes total sense.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting to see just like how he

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Speaker 5: takes on the pressure that he says he's never felt

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Speaker 5: in his life and how that materializes, you know, throughout

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Speaker 5: given that you know, he already has eyeballs on him

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Speaker 5: like people like ESPN, we're gonna want to put him

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Speaker 5: So yes, in a long, long winded answer, my biggest

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you talk about you're hungry?

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Speaker 3: You said, you know how to say that to go okay,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was awesome. It was like hanging out

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Speaker 5: Because that is exactly what I did.

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Speaker 5: A few Filipino flags and then we got fire.

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Speaker 5: Their Deep Who Paradise for the power to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: The power of these podcasts. I gotta tell you. All right, well,

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Speaker 2: I think it's time. Now, it's time. Yes, Cassidy, what

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Speaker 3: Rapid Fire Round of Questions. Now we're going to ask

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Speaker 2: So please, we're counting on you. Okay, let it's fine,

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Speaker 2: it's fine.

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Speaker 1: Jack. You want to go?

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Speaker 2: All right? You went first last time. Yeah, why don't

444
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna go first? Uh, here we go.

445
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: We're talking teams that we want to cover in the

446
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: off season.

447
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: Now, the Spurs are obviously a shoe And what's a

448
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: team you're expecting big things from. We talked about you

449
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: know obviously, ok see Orlando, Phoenix, Portland.

450
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: Who else you want to throw in the Knicks and why.

451
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Speaker 5: Lakers? Okay, yeah, you know they made some interesting moves.

452
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Speaker 5: I mean they're in the Western Conference finals. Like they

453
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 5: brought back pretty much, you know, all the main characters

454
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: and then added gave Vincent. So, uh, they're always going

455
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Speaker 5: to be interesting because what what does Lebron have left

456
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 5: in the tank? Yeah, I think the Bucks they made

457
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 5: great moves as well. They were you know, they were

458
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Speaker 5: the favorites. Gianness is posting all over social media like

459
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 5: I'm focused, I'm gonna come back, So I would say

460
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Speaker 5: I'm interested in the Bucks in the East, and I

461
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 5: guess the Lakers in the West.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that Lakers don't get enough attention on

463
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: on this podcast, in particular from the Lakers though, and

464
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: just generally media talked.

465
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 5: About they should talk more about that guy, Lebron James.

466
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Speaker 2: That's right.

467
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: Us as I wear shirt.

468
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Speaker 4: All right, we're in the middle of NBA Con. They

469
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 4: are like little like games all over the place. There's

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Speaker 4: a twenty foot hoop over there that I dunked on earlier.

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Speaker 4: There's a freak dunked on the twenty foot hoop.

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Speaker 2: No big deal. There's like a half court shot contest

473
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: over there. Can you pitch me an NBA con feature.

474
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to cohere to the laws of physics

475
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 4: or reality. Our super producer Brian was saying he wants

476
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Speaker 4: to be able to like feel what it's like to dunk,

477
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 4: like somehow, maybe with like crouching tiger, hidden dragon wires.

478
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Speaker 4: I'd like something that allows me to walk around in

479
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Speaker 4: the world and feel like I'm the size of Victor Webbing,

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00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: Like if they just like created a mini miniature room.

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Speaker 3: Specifically co shrunken down to my scale, so my six

482
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: foot one frame feels like it's six ' eight and

483
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: the balls is a little bit small.

484
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that feel like, that's my that's my wiss.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I was thinking about like a bouncy

486
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Speaker 5: house type of basketball situation, but I feel like that's done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I keep seeing videos of Drake's concert and his hologram

489
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Speaker 5: that he has, like that he sits next to on

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Speaker 5: a couch. Yeah, it would be cool to do like

491
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Speaker 5: holograms of like legends and that type of visual yeah, yeah, yeah,

492
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 5: or it could be weird too, but uh, I think

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Speaker 5: it could be fun. I don't know, I got I

494
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Speaker 5: have to do another couple of like laps and see

495
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Speaker 5: if I inspiration.

496
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Speaker 2: Inspiration.

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Speaker 3: I would love holograms too, just a made up handel

498
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: of just everybody and you.

499
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 5: Could just like pretend like you're hanging out with for you,

500
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 5: like create like a table of like you're out to dinner,

501
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: Like look at the party I was at in Vegas.

502
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 5: Put like a carbone background right on the broad you know,

503
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Speaker 5: hool everyone.

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Speaker 2: Here's my next question.

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Speaker 3: Ever, somebody who you know travels the league and and

506
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Speaker 3: knows that the team's pretty well, what's the best NBA

507
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: city to catch a game in and what's your favorite

508
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: thing to eat in that city?

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's hard for me because I base everything on

510
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 5: where my seat is and how easy it is for

511
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Speaker 5: me to do my job in terms.

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Speaker 8: Of NBA city because the first thing is like obviously

513
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Speaker 8: I would say MSG, but I also hate doing games

514
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 8: and MSG because my seat is so uncomfortable there.

515
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: Oh really, Okay, like we have like a little.

516
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Speaker 5: This is gonna and I'm not going to go into

517
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Speaker 5: me complaining about my seat. I'm like, there's no desk

518
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 5: and there, you know, so I'm balancing like my laptop

519
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: and my own.

520
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: In the seat. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's a lot.

521
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 5: And I'm in the crowd, and so people are always

522
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: like reaching down on my computers.

523
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: And like so do you pass me that right there?

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00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 5: But that's also with you know, the the jazz Arena

525
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 5: used to be I would have to walk up into

526
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 5: the stands and like go, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.

527
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 5: Every time I was like go down to a uh

528
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: do a play coaches interview. So those two places I

529
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: don't love doing games.

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Speaker 2: But the cities.

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Speaker 5: But the city, the city is like solid city, did

532
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 5: an amazing job. We're an all star. And New York

533
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 5: is New York. Man from New York. Yeah, so all right,

534
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 5: best meal in New York? Sure, that's really hard.

535
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: You know you're not.

536
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: You don't have to tell me, like unequivocally this is

537
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: the best thing. But for you, what is your go to?

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00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 5: I mean there's so many there's so many in New York.

539
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: I've never been to New York. What's good to eat?

540
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: You take me somewhere.

541
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think you can go wrong with like,

542
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 5: there's so m many good Italian spots in New York in.

543
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: New York.

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00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: Heard that. I'm gonna leave it at that. I can't

545
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 5: find a good Chinese place and I can't find a

546
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: Mexican for some reason. But I think that's a me problem,

547
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: not an n y C problem.

548
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.

549
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: And finally the question everybody's here to hear you answer Jack,

550
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: which is me or Miles?

551
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 5: Just I'm just picking between you. Yeah, I have more

552
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: history with Jack.

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00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is answer. I just thought that was

554
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: kind of like I thought you were sorry. That's how

555
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: to answer. That's just already seen how graceless I am.

556
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 5: In wait, are we talking about like this is my

557
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 5: you know, partner for two on two? Like are we

558
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 5: talking about? What is this?

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00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: It's just it's.

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Speaker 5: But you also get points because you just you busted

561
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 5: out the yeah. But are you Filipino?

562
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: No, I'm black and the but I oh yeah, that's

563
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: what happened.

564
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: I can get you.

565
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 5: Really could, you know? And that's what Filipinos do. We

566
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 5: just go up the round a Filipino.

567
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah you know Filipino. Yeah, but I love funseet so

568
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, let's go all right.

569
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 5: So so now it's one to one. I don't know

570
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: what's going to be the tie breaker.

571
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: Dang dunked on that twenty foot hoop earlier. If we're

572
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: doing the.

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00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about basketball, Okay.

574
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 5: Who's your favorite team? Who's your favorite team? I think

575
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 5: I gotta go with him a lot this year? Okay,

576
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 5: and so I've been on kind of like a Sixers beat.

577
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: So that's how I that was that.

578
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a good answer. I can live with that.

579
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us on Miles and

580
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: Jack got Matt book. One of guys, Uh, where where

581
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: can people find you? Follow you, see you, hear you,

582
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: all that good stuff.

583
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: I'll be on the sidelines next two nights or Soundaturday

584
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: and Sunday, depending on when you listen to this, and

585
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: then I'm.

586
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: Out catch me on the beach.

587
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll see it in the fall on

588
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 5: the sideline. That also, don't forget to download, subscribe, comment

589
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: and yeah yeah yeah to wait wherever you find your podcast.

590
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, Thanks for doing well.

591
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: This wraps it up for this edition of Mad Boosty's

592
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: Live from NBA Con in Vegas. Check us out on

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Speaker 3: hatchback mad boostis b w SD I E s uh

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Speaker 3: and we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

596
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: Well, well, well people, welcome back to NBA CON Miles

597
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: and Jackot, Matt Lucy. We are here for a very

598
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: very special discussion. We have probably the most iconic guests

599
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: we have ever had on this show.

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00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it most doesn't seem like we should be sitting

601
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: next to this person.

602
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: Instant the classes on the podcast by having this man

603
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: even sit next to us and entertain our questions that

604
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: sometimes border on not the most intelligent, But we are

605
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: here to have some very intelligent discussion with Hall of

606
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: Famer Spencer Hayley.

607
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: What is going on? Spencer? Thank you so much for jurning.

608
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 9: This is just incredible and what two guys are doing

609
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 9: with your podcast and NBA CON. I am so I

610
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 9: floored by everything and I was put together in a

611
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 9: short period of time. And also last night for an example,

612
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 9: I mean it was insane. Yeah, Thomas and Mat Yeah, yeah, yeah,

613
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 9: we wanted to talk a little bit to you about that.

614
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: Like Summer League is going on, this is obviously some

615
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: big moments for people entering the league. You yourself, I mean,

616
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: we're going to get into that of a very storied

617
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: entry into the league and things like that. But you know,

618
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: what do you think? You know, what is this like

619
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: for these guys that are showing up here and they're

620
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: sort of on the precipice of entering the league, Like.

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Speaker 9: What you know, it's a great opportunity. Really, I mean,

622
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 9: you've got players like Garcia. Last night, I didn't know

623
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 9: who he was, and I'm watching him from Golden State.

624
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 9: I'm well, somebody, if Golden State don't sign him, I

625
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 9: would go after him because he's he's he's game ready

626
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 9: and he's been playing in Brazil for I guess four.

627
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: Years or five years. Yeah, he's just it was so special.

628
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: That was one of the guys I was watching, And

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00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I watched Winby.

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Speaker 9: And the other kid from Alabama, Brilla. So I was

631
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 9: just watching the players, and then I was watching guys

632
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 9: who were not in the spotlight, but yet they are

633
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 9: going to be in the spotlight because they are going

634
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Speaker 9: to make some themes. So I sat up there last

635
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 9: night in my home watching games. Oh night, I'm like, well.

636
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I had the lacaphone. Yeah, exactly, pretty that one all.

637
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 9: But he's just so exciting for the city, for the

638
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 9: city of Las Vegas, and for the fans to be

639
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 9: here on the weekend to be a part of this,

640
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 9: this is just an awesome time.

641
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

642
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: There was one moment during the Blazers game where watching

643
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: scoop and you know, Jabari Smith Junior, and.

644
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Then this guy gets out there. He's lovely, a little smaller.

645
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 4: He starts like banging threes, like fading away out of bounds,

646
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: like hitting threes, and I was like, that kind of

647
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: looks familiar. It was Antoine Davis who like came three

648
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: points shy and breaking Pete Marravitch's.

649
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: Where he went to school, Detroit Mercy. Hello, Yeah, that's

650
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: right there, it is.

651
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 9: And everybody is talking, well, you know he's too small,

652
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 9: he don't.

653
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: Have the body he is he can fill it up

654
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: and then.

655
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: You fill it up.

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00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, and the guy like that, he's making this worth

657
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 9: right now.

658
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: And then if you know, if you miss out on

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Speaker 1: the NBA.

661
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Speaker 9: You can go to the t LEG, you can go

662
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 9: to Europe, you can go to China. Well, I mean

663
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 9: if you go to China, you might be stuck for

664
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 9: the contract and they won't let you come back right yeah,

665
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 9: right away.

666
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, so you have a.

667
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: You had a pretty unique rookie season in the one

668
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year and MVP of the a BA.

669
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: And MVP at the All Star Game. Sprink.

670
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, so these people won't be thinking, oh,

671
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 9: yeah average ten and ten, No I average thirty.

672
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Yeah, And I was nineteen years old.

673
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 9: So all of these young guys who are like, oh

674
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 9: my gosh, he's gonna mature when you get to be

675
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 9: twenty five. He was like, Man, I had played and

676
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 9: they went to the Supreme Court.

677
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I've done it.

678
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: And I think that's a huge thing to talk about, right,

679
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: because a lot of people don't realize how you are

680
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: a seminal figure in the league that we have today

681
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: that without just just for people who don't know, kind

682
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: of describe the situation, because we would not have people

683
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: like Kevin Barnett, Kobe Bryant, other people being able.

684
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: Michael Michael Geordan. Yeah, fo years after he walk me

685
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: through that process.

686
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, when I was in the ABA, after that first

687
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 9: year I jumped to the NBA. The NBA said that

688
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 9: I was inelgible to play because I had in phinished

689
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 9: four years of college and you had to have.

690
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: Four years out of basketball. I mean four years after

691
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: your high school titles, right.

692
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 9: I graduated before you could go into the NBA, And

693
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 9: so I sued them for the rights to play, and

694
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 9: we had like my.

695
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: Case started off like ball, kay, I have a ten day,

696
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: a ten game in junson against me.

697
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 9: So I had to sit home with Rick Wells, you

698
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 9: know with the Golden State Boys.

699
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: Uh, he was the general manager of there. He was

700
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: our ball boy. And see he was our ball boy.

701
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: And Lenny Wilks was the player coach. He played in

702
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: coach Tom Tom.

703
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 9: Serry, it was the associate coach. And our assistant coach

704
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 9: was Rod Thorne, who was a player coach.

705
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: For these guys. We had no one on that team

706
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: had on a suit. Everybody had on a.

707
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: Everyone's wearing by the way, I think coaches should still

708
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: have to wear the uniform. Don't you think that would

709
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: be amazing?

710
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if the managers weren't there, some.

711
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: Of the outfits they're wearing today.

712
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot

713
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: of warm ups now.

714
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: Anyways, right, yeah, yeah, put on the suit or something. Yeah.

715
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 9: But so they would get a ten game in junction

716
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 9: against me, and then I would get a.

717
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Ten game.

718
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 9: Stayed to play, and when I would walk out on

719
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 9: the floor, they would say, ladies and gentlemen, we have

720
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 9: an illegal player on the floor, number twenty four.

721
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: This game is being played on the protests.

722
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: All right, wait, do you opposing to you? Like when

723
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: you were playing an away game?

724
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that away game. Okay.

725
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 9: One particular night I was playing in Chicago against the

726
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 9: Chicago Bulls. Chat Walker said he heard his ankle while

727
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 9: I was warming up, and they sued me for six

728
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 9: hundred thousand dollars.

729
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: What that was?

730
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: The battle?

731
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: Wow?

732
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: The battle? So you I go through all of this stuff,

733
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: and I go through.

734
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 9: The lower courts all the way to the district and

735
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 9: we got to the Supreme Court where Thirdod Marshall's justice.

736
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I think it's Warren.

737
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 9: Douglas or somebody who else was the head justice at

738
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 9: that time. On March first, nineteen seventy one, said we

739
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 9: cannot stop this young man from playing basketball in the

740
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 9: NBA because we are allowing our players, our our young

741
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 9: men to go to war in Vietnam places like that

742
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 9: at age eighteen, and yet we're acting him to stay

743
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 9: in college. And at the same time, my family was

744
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 9: dirt poor in Silver City, Mississippi making two.

745
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Dollars a day. So I was like trying to get

746
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: my folks out of that.

747
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: And I didn't have a small family either, right, No, I.

748
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: Was ten of us.

749
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, so it makes it really important.

750
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 9: Yes, just so then they hand down that decision, and

751
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 9: that's what changed the NBA game as we know it

752
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 9: because from that point on the NBA we only had

753
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 9: sixteen teams, I think, and right away, because of this ruling,

754
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 9: the NBA were able to say, oh, we can go

755
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 9: get Bob McAdoo, we can go get all.

756
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: Of these players college.

757
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 9: Early they would come into the NBA and we can

758
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 9: expand Yeah, and that's how the expansion came about through

759
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 9: this one.

760
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: Little old dude, Yeah, from Silvil, Mississippi.

761
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 9: And it ain't no silver, it ain't no city.

762
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: Do you think the Chief Justice, like there's probably some

763
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: legal reasoning, but do you think he was just a

764
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: fan of your game and wanted to see you get

765
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: out there and put the ball in the hoop.

766
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: And that's why No.

767
00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 9: They were going, yeah, got to see it.

768
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: I gotta see it, know.

769
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 5: That A one.

770
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I don't know if they're good. We'll see

771
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: what we'll see what he can do on his side.

772
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 9: They're doing the movie of my life, So I can't

773
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 9: incorporate that. Yeah, incorporate that. Then third good Marshall said,

774
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 9: I gotta go see this guy.

775
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 10: He's turn around just like shot and he can rebounds.

776
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 10: I want to see him play. Yeah, this case is

777
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 10: exactly now let's go watch him.

778
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

779
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 9: But from this case, you know, it is estimated that

780
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 9: in players revenue and players salary it has been somewhere

781
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 9: around six dollars.

782
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

783
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of money made you.

784
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: Think you think they have no for the domino effect, right,

785
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: because like that's why I say, like you not only

786
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: like when you think about it.

787
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy one until now, right, and you.

788
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: Think about all the people that have been able to

789
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: enter the league early.

790
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: And you know, famously we talked about Lebron James, right,

791
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: what would that what's that scoring title look like?

792
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't?

793
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: He would be eight hundred.

794
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 9: He would be eight thousand, three hundred and forty one

795
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 9: points short of Kareem.

796
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so you did that man did the matcham so?

797
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: And what did he tell you? Is he's any hard feelings?

798
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: No, he's creamus.

799
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: Ye.

800
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 9: Remember when I was going through this case the Players

801
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 9: Association Union, they didn't support me. So when I won

802
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 9: the case, it was still a little difficulty. So when

803
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 9: we got to Milwaukee to play the Bucks, and normally

804
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 9: they would take their team downstairs and say, well let

805
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 9: him sweat it out of there, let people hit it

806
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 9: with real bottle.

807
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Us and Kareem didn't go downstairs. He stayed up.

808
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 9: So we've been Buddy's Yeah, nineteen seventy.

809
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he teases you though probably Yeah, he's like,

810
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: why did.

811
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, but all these young guys come in earlier?

812
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it.

813
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: I think that's what's so important too, Like when we

814
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to sit down with you. For us,

815
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: it's like, you don't have the league as it is

816
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: today without your trials and tribulations and the work that

817
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: the foundation that you laid the groundwork for. And it's

818
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: nice to see people like you know, I always see

819
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: people like Kevin Garnett during that man he's very consistent

820
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: with giving you your flowers and pointing to the like

821
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: the work that you've done, how you know, like and

822
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: he talks about sort of like this generational wisdom in

823
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: the game, like do you see that evolving or do

824
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: you just like, what's the importance of you know, people

825
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: like you or people who have experienced the league and

826
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: know the ins and outs of things and being able

827
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: to transmit that knowledge down to these guys were entering

828
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 3: the league, especially in a time like this where something else.

829
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 9: That is one of the things that all of us

830
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 9: old hits talk about, we need to be around the

831
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 9: young guys to just impart this information and they understanding

832
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 9: so that they can appreciate the game.

833
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: Like Okay, for.

834
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 9: An example, Yeah, I was talking.

835
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: With one of the handlers for a job.

836
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, and we were talking and he said, you know,

837
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 9: maybe if John knew that you went to the Supreme Court,

838
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 9: that you had to struggle through all of this to

839
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 9: get where.

840
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: He is today.

841
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 9: And I used that experience as he wouldn't take the

842
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 9: NBA for granted.

843
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: Sure, And what are some other like what are some

844
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: things like pieces of wisdom that you would pass down

845
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: to like, you know, a rookie coming in and say, hey, Spencer,

846
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 3: you know, drop some science on me, Well it's something

847
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: I need to know.

848
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 9: Well, I would drop this the knowledge on them, saying

849
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 9: stating that you know, back in the day before I

850
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 9: got my contract, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell arguer and

851
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 9: over who was going to be the highest paid.

852
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: Player in the NBA.

853
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 9: And the salary was one twenty five hundred and twenty

854
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 9: five thousand per.

855
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: Year, not for theamn right who was getting twelve dollars

856
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: per data.

857
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 9: But anyway, and read Arbac said, well, you know, I'm

858
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 9: gonna make you the highest paid player Bill Rossell.

859
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: He reached in his pocket and gave me one dollar more.

860
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That'll do it.

861
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: That's history.

862
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 9: So Bill Rosser said, hey, I'm the highest paide player,

863
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 9: I'm the best player.

864
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in. Let's go, right, And so those

865
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: kind of.

866
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 9: Stories and just annoying the history of the game, a

867
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 9: knowing the beauty of this game, how far this has grown.

868
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 9: I mean, you got guys who are making two sixty

869
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 9: two hundred sixty million, all of this stuff here and like,

870
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 9: So when I was staying with Lebron, I was telling him, I.

871
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: Said, hey, you know you owe me.

872
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I don't want them to get nervous about

873
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 11: that percentage.

874
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: I explaining I did the math.

875
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 9: So I was explaining that you know, you know you're

876
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 9: making like fifty million a year, you will be two

877
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 9: hundred million dollars short.

878
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, you got four extra years.

879
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly.

880
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: Things to think about Lebron as a listener, So yeah,

881
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 4: for you to think about he did he.

882
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: Did a special for me on.

883
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 9: Showtime, Yeah, called the what is it called?

884
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: I can't think of the name of it right now.

885
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: That's the problem with getting old.

886
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: I've already got that.

887
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called.

888
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 9: The the Case Okay.

889
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Showtime.

890
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 9: But he did a nice, wonderful special about the rule

891
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 9: is what it's called the Ryan right right, And so

892
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 9: a lot of players are beginning to learn about what

893
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 9: I've done and who I am. Yeah, and it's a

894
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 9: wonderful times the basketball. Yeah, just looking around and here

895
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 9: what what you guys are doing, and look at what

896
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 9: you're doing with your podcast.

897
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: It's just you. Oh, we wouldn't have to show also

898
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: without you.

899
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I know that. Yeah, yeah.

900
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: I started recording straight out of high school, you know.

901
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

902
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: They used to say you couldn't you know. Yeah, yeah,

903
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: they say a couple of years in junior high.

904
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: On the court, on the court, you went against some

905
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: of the best.

906
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: You are one of the best.

907
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: What are you What are your thoughts on this current

908
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 4: the current state of the big man in the NBA,

909
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: Because I mean, we got mb and I'm a six

910
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 4: Ers fan, we got indeed, we got Jokic. You know,

911
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: we've got some unconventional big men like Giannis. But you

912
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: know eight six to eight years ago everyone was like

913
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 4: small balls, A few ture big men are over.

914
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on big w be over?

915
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 9: Because you have to play the game. You have to

916
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 9: play it inside and out, not outside.

917
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: And then unless the golden state, right, that's right.

918
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 9: But I look at a guy like Boogie Cousins, Dwight Howard,

919
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 9: I can't understand.

920
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Why they're not in the league. I mean that's just me.

921
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: But then I look at a guy like Jokish, I

922
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: mean what a player?

923
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean fundamentals can take you where talent can't

924
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 9: take her. The fundamentals of the game can take you

925
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 9: where talent can't take you.

926
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: Because I look at him, I look at do you know.

927
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 9: The last three m vps are non Americans?

928
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And so the game is too big?

929
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Ye also big men and big man So.

930
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 9: The theory that you know we're gonna be three point

931
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 9: eight shooting contest is not valid.

932
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Did you think did.

933
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: You think that you would see the position evolved in

934
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: this way where we're.

935
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: Now we're seeing seven footers mooring now point guards and

936
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 3: anything like that, or or just kind of.

937
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: Well, we're just going through a phase.

938
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 9: But I still believe that you have to play with

939
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 9: in and then you go out because if you throw

940
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 9: the ball into the center and you cut off of him,

941
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 9: you run through your three point line or whatever, you

942
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 9: can get a good shot if you got to throw

943
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 9: it out, if they double, if they.

944
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: Don't, you do the other center.

945
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: Yao.

946
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: Right, So the game is.

947
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 9: Just evolving, and it's comfortably evolving and evolving, and it's it's.

948
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: Just so one thing I'm I always think about with

949
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: like the evolution of the game is just how the

950
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: physicality and how different things are and everything.

951
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: I could already see a smile on your face.

952
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: Boy, I would love to play right now. Yeah, yeah,

953
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: I mean like I would fall over.

954
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

955
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: What were things that were like that?

956
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: You were like that was normal when I was playing

957
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: that to now you're like that's a flak or you.

958
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 9: Know, well, Gus Johnson, west Son, sil Elvin Hayes I'm

959
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 9: just going with the forwards.

960
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sidney Wicks.

961
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: Is another guy that you don't hear about. Maurice Lucas.

962
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: We banged. It's like a bloody wall.

963
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and.

964
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 9: To see you guys, you know, like no touch and

965
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 9: you take that three step zero step. Yeah. Yeah, it's

966
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 9: all good for basketball. You're bringing everybody else into it,

967
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 9: and so you can make the adapts. They can adapt

968
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Speaker 9: to the game. But nevertheless, Boyle's hey.

969
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: Look at that. There's a Sonic jersey. Hey, hey, and

970
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: there's a Laker.

971
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they know, they know, they know, they know.

972
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: You're running around what was like the most physical game

973
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: you ever played in.

974
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: In terms of like we were there ever times like

975
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: you got really rocked and you're like, okay.

976
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: I can't show anything.

977
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I got rocked a few times with Baltimore

978
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 9: Bullets way back in the day when I first came

979
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 9: into the league.

980
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: I know, y'all have one who went out there. There's

981
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: there such a thing as Baltimore Well.

982
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, yes, they were.

983
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 9: There was the Baltimore Bullets back in the day, or

984
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 9: just the Watchington Wizards today.

985
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a team called the Seattle Supersonic back

986
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: in the day that is now now okay see, but

987
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: back to Seattle. Yeah, so you know they're.

988
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: Well, like, so what in that game when you were

989
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: playing against.

990
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 9: Me, well, Gus Johnson and West Unsales suptrusted me.

991
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: I fell to the floor.

992
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 9: And I said, Lenny, can you give me a hand man?

993
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: He said, get up on you. You're in the NBA, sir.

994
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 5: Wow.

995
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 9: I was like, welcome to the league because I had

996
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 9: came over from the AVA and it was like these

997
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 9: these these guys are.

998
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: Trying to test me.

999
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: Then I went from from Baltimore.

1000
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 9: We played the New York Knicks and that was Dave

1001
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 9: de Butcher, Jerry Lucas, Willis Red and.

1002
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is real ball here.

1003
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: So it was just a rugged kind of game.

1004
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 9: But I'm kind of partial to the non touch somewhat

1005
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 9: because we lost a lot of players because of the

1006
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 9: physicality of the game, and so we didn't get a

1007
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 9: chance to get guys playing twenty years, fifteen years, eighteen

1008
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 9: season unless your kareem Yeah yeah, and.

1009
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: You got Sky can you tell him?

1010
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 9: When I was with the Lakers, he was telling me,

1011
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 9: you know what your with your hand?

1012
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't teach you how to shoot the skyhook.

1013
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 9: And I kept looking at him like do you know

1014
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 9: if I get that clothes, I'm gonna jump over.

1015
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, right right, right right, you just dunk it.

1016
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 9: So I lost five years of my career right because

1017
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 9: I didn't listen to Korea.

1018
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah right. He seemed like he had a figure because.

1019
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 9: Magic the three of us were working on that on

1020
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 9: the skyhook and Kareem's teaching me and wanting the sky

1021
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 9: and Magic stayed with him and I didn't.

1022
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: I went someplace and got out.

1023
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is what it is.

1024
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a different priority eight. Yeah, no, it was.

1025
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: I fell into a bad place.

1026
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah right, right right, Well I'm glad you got out.

1027
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thirty nine years and sobriety, so congratulations, start drinking.

1028
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah it's water, but it is aqua fino.

1029
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: So I want you.

1030
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: What was the medical like, you know, when you when

1031
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: you felt that when.

1032
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: You got hurt, Like, what were were they like sticking

1033
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: your swollen foot in a nice bath with some beers

1034
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: in there?

1035
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: Like what one of the things. Okay, another thing that

1036
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: was was cool that I was.

1037
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 9: I thought it was kind of crazy, but I was, Wow,

1038
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 9: the guys, was that halftime.

1039
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: It was in the smoking cigarettes and you know it's

1040
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: it's cold.

1041
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 9: In Boston right now, give me some of that brown

1042
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 9: whiskey right.

1043
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 5: Now.

1044
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it was it was different.

1045
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 11: And then when you got hurt, it was like you

1046
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 11: get hurt in the first half and you're like, you

1047
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 11: walk in, cry out, crawl into the locker room and

1048
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 11: guess what, I got a big old horse needl here

1049
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 11: for you. Yeah, you're gonna shoot you up, and you

1050
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 11: get your butt back out there and play.

1051
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 9: And then we would get out of the game and

1052
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 9: finish playing, we get on.

1053
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: The bus, go back to the hotel.

1054
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 9: No restaurants open, right right, yeah, because eleven o'clock, right,

1055
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 9: so we had to go search for food.

1056
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: And you know it was just light.

1057
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 9: And young players need to know these stories because they're

1058
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 9: flying on planes.

1059
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and we were flying.

1060
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 9: Hey, I was the m v P and I'm flying flying,

1061
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 9: flying on the planes and the coach with.

1062
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: Your frame, what was that even like would you even

1063
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: physically getting the setah you were doing like a cannon ball.

1064
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 2: Position, Yeah, yeah, your chest.

1065
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 9: That was That's what basketball used to be like and

1066
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 9: where we are today.

1067
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: So the appreciation levels would be so much higher.

1068
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it is as more people learn

1069
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 3: and learn, and I think that's why, you know, we

1070
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: got to thank you again just for coming on our podcast,

1071
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: because yeah, this is it's not often that we get

1072
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 3: to speak with people, you know, who have had such

1073
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: a lasting impact on the league. And in a way too,

1074
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: that's so subtle that I think, yeah, more and more

1075
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: people are learning.

1076
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: Just how important you are. So as a fan, I

1077
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: want to thank you. As a Laker fan, I want

1078
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: to thank you many times. But yes, thank you so much.

1079
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 9: You know them guys always telling me Magic and Cooper

1080
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 9: and you have to stay ahead. Five in a row.

1081
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: I met guys so much.

1082
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but day but they said it from

1083
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: their lips to your ears.

1084
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It is what it is.

1085
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so.

1086
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: Much, Spencer Hey for joining us on Miles and Jack

1087
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 3: out mat Bue season. Thank you guys for listening to

1088
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: this very special episode live from NBA Con and Las Vegas.