Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: ten pm at the Universal City In and Out and
Speaker 1: you're listening to night Call. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall,
Speaker 1: a podcast for your strange days and lily nights. My
Speaker 1: name is Emily Oshida. I am here in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and along with me are Tess Lynch and Molly Lambert.
Speaker 1: And we're back. I think out of our time warp. Officially,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm wiping. I'm like shaking the time
Speaker 1: warp dust off of me or something. Um. Thanks to
Speaker 1: everybody for for sticking with us through our hiatus. We've
Speaker 1: been airing some of our episodes that we did during
Speaker 1: the hiatus over the last couple of weeks, and now
Speaker 1: we are somewhat and living in the present. We're catching
Speaker 1: up almost. It's exciting. We're almost to be and and
Speaker 1: and I mean, given what we're talking about this week,
Speaker 1: we will still probably feel like we're in a time
Speaker 1: work because everything is so fucking weird right now. Life
Speaker 1: comes at you pretty fast night call. Um. But first
Speaker 1: and again, this is some old news. But I I stuck.
Speaker 1: I stuck this on our our dock like weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I think we would be remiss if we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about the new leach on the block, New leach
Speaker 1: on the block. Um, this is a leech that was
Speaker 1: discovered in Nearer Washington, d C. Inviting all sorts of
Speaker 1: easy jokes. Um, there's a it's a coastal species of
Speaker 1: leech that has fifty nine teeth and I believe three jaws,
Speaker 1: three whole jaws three. Um, it is a it's it's
Speaker 1: I think they haven't found a new species of leech
Speaker 1: in America since um, the fifties, I believe. And it's
Speaker 1: a species of leeches called I guess they're called medicinal leeches.
Speaker 1: Let's give some credit to the international team of museum
Speaker 1: scientists led by Anna Phillips, the Smithsonian's curator of parasitic Worms.
Speaker 1: She waded into this swamp with shorts on to see
Speaker 1: these leeches. They like bait them. That's how they find them.
Speaker 1: You bat them with your legs, You bait them with yourself.
Speaker 1: It's like that. It's like being uh like um, you
Speaker 1: know whatever they're called in for vampiresm where you're just
Speaker 1: like the blood bag. They're like science. I've heard there's
Speaker 1: a lot of leeches in the water. Disney World. Really well,
Speaker 1: it's Florida. I guess that makes sense. It kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense. Uh maybe also a disney Land, I heard,
Speaker 1: but I where would they be at Disney the Jungle
Speaker 1: Cruise chlorinated? No leeches in that fake news. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say that this leech, by the way, is it
Speaker 1: should not be tied to d C because it can
Speaker 1: be found as far north as New York and as
Speaker 1: far south as Georgia. So it's just a coastal Atlantic
Speaker 1: blood sucker. Don't think you're safe when you're not in
Speaker 1: washing in d C. I heard Anta Phillips on the
Speaker 1: radio accidentally also talking about this um and she was
Speaker 1: talking about how like it sounds like the most terrifying
Speaker 1: thing in the world, like a leech with three jaws.
Speaker 1: But she's like, it doesn't actually hurt that much. Like
Speaker 1: I guess it's like the thing with leeches, like people
Speaker 1: used to put them on their bodies all the time.
Speaker 1: It's as long as a cigarette and it's wide as
Speaker 1: two cigarettes, which is a funny thing. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: cigarilla olive green with orange spots. Is the deal with
Speaker 1: leeches that it doesn't hurt because of the section have
Speaker 1: we talked about this before, I'm having about our leech conversation. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, and I don't know if this is the
Speaker 1: case with this particular leech, but usually it is suction,
Speaker 1: like it's not a teeth thing. They don't puncture to
Speaker 1: draw blood. They actually suck the blood through your skin
Speaker 1: like they suck so hard. I think we can all
Speaker 1: relate that that the blood just like comes out through
Speaker 1: the layers of your dermiss. That's so fascinating. I wonder
Speaker 1: if the teeth actually keep you from noticing them, because
Speaker 1: obviously it would behoove the leech to not have you
Speaker 1: noticed that for so many years because it's like clean
Speaker 1: blood letting. Well, also with the teeth, there are these
Speaker 1: things that you can get that are a little plastic
Speaker 1: kind of disks and they have little points in them,
Speaker 1: and if you press them on your arm when you're
Speaker 1: getting a shot and the shot is inserted like in
Speaker 1: the middle, it actually takes away the pain because it
Speaker 1: hits your pressure points. So I wonder if that might
Speaker 1: be something that the leech teeth do. Well, they're still
Speaker 1: called medicinal leeches, so somebody's still using them for medicine,
Speaker 1: like scientifically they're classified as that, so it can be
Speaker 1: really hard to get a phlebotomy appointment. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: a brief moment. We have talked a lot about the
Speaker 1: specifics of having blood drawn and how we'd all like
Speaker 1: to have our blood drawn in different ways from each other,
Speaker 1: some of us at home, others in a medical setting. Yes. Um,
Speaker 1: but I just would like to take a side quest
Speaker 1: to complain about the mosquitoes that we have Los Angeles. Now.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I left Los Angeles for almost five years
Speaker 1: and when I came back there were mosquitos. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a new development, it is. Yeah, and they're this horrible
Speaker 1: kind that brings the West Nile virus and other you
Speaker 1: talk about the eighties. Yeah, they're called a E. D
Speaker 1: E S, which means like annoying. Yeah. And there's zebra mosquitoes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're scariest things. I had never seen one in l
Speaker 1: A but I saw one in Louisiana and I was
Speaker 1: like you just so when you see a creature you've
Speaker 1: never seen before, you just are like, oh, no, I
Speaker 1: have no context for this. So let's freaked me out.
Speaker 1: Because I had seen them in New Orleans and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh cool, we live in a swampy climate
Speaker 1: now with lots of mosquitoes bite you. They're called ankle
Speaker 1: bitter mosquitoes. Yeah, yeah, which they definitely are to me.
Speaker 1: It's very humid here and we do have the mosquitoes.
Speaker 1: I don't mind the mosquitoes as much as I mind
Speaker 1: the ants. Still, um. This morning, I had another kitchen
Speaker 1: ant issue, and mine seemed to be immune to all
Speaker 1: kinds of like ant repellents and the dusty earth stuff
Speaker 1: that dry out. Would you rather have to deal with
Speaker 1: like a million tiny things or one giant thing? Oh,
Speaker 1: one giant thing? It is too vague, need more info?
Speaker 1: You mean people, what's how giant tiny ants? Or like
Speaker 1: the ant from Honey, a giant cockroach? I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the like, I would rather have ants
Speaker 1: to deal with than cockroaches. But but I also would
Speaker 1: rather have I think what I'm thinking in this more abstractly,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a large thing. I don't know i'd have.
Speaker 1: I'd rather deal with one large thing, unless it were
Speaker 1: larger than me, in which case it would rather deal
Speaker 1: with small things. Yeah, I mean, like, would you rather
Speaker 1: have ants or like an elephant that wanted to kill you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what if it's like the choice is like a cockroach,
Speaker 1: an elephant sized cockroach, or like bugs that are too
Speaker 1: small to see? Well, how many bugs they're too small
Speaker 1: to see? You don't have enough information? Make your pitch?
Speaker 1: I I guess in that situational word problem problem, it's
Speaker 1: a psychological new math. If you have an answer to
Speaker 1: this question, won't you please give us a call it
Speaker 1: to four oh four six night or you can email
Speaker 1: us at night called podcast at gmail dot com. Again,
Speaker 1: the question is would you rather battle at cockroach unimaginably
Speaker 1: huge proportions no limit cockroach or a multitude but not specifically,
Speaker 1: how many of very small and swarms? For a coastal question,
Speaker 1: it is a b coastal question. Well, another bicoastal question.
Speaker 1: Also speaking of bloodsuckers, UM, I have recommended reading this
Speaker 1: week UM from the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is a pretty good it and oppressing an article
Speaker 1: about Silicon Valley's relationship with SLYN by Andrew Morantz. UM.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the August twenty six issue UM,
Speaker 1: but it is online and we'll link to it on
Speaker 1: our notes. UM. I just it was such a I
Speaker 1: don't did you guys get a chance to read this? Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of about how this like zig zagging
Speaker 1: relationship that that slyn this this retreat in northern California.
Speaker 1: It's like what three hours from San Francisco. It's around
Speaker 1: Big sir Yeah, around Big Sir. Um. It's always been
Speaker 1: the sort of like influencer hub, even before there were influencers,
Speaker 1: and now you know, recently, it's been a place for
Speaker 1: all these Silicon Valley people who feel guilty about the
Speaker 1: hell world that they have made, um coming to get
Speaker 1: in hot tubs and sweat away their um conscience. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't even know if they feel guilty. Oh they do,
Speaker 1: they do, but they don't feel guilty enough to do
Speaker 1: anything like very helpful. Very It's all very strack to them.
Speaker 1: That's like all that stuff. That's like the Steve Jobs
Speaker 1: thing of like you stop taking mushrooms to like have
Speaker 1: a experience and get it out of your ego, and
Speaker 1: you start taking them to like come up with product ideas.
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of like hippie themed things, completely
Speaker 1: divorced of all context and meaning. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think that so a lot of the things that
Speaker 1: they do that they have these big detox retreats, and
Speaker 1: so the journalists went on one of these retreats, and
Speaker 1: a lot of it is just this sort of verbiage
Speaker 1: about um plugging and having like a more conscious relationship
Speaker 1: to tech and trying to pass it onto your users
Speaker 1: and everything. And it's also just like reminds me of
Speaker 1: like completely separate issue which is like kind of the
Speaker 1: class stratification of screen time now, which I feel like
Speaker 1: we've talked about on this podcast, but just that now
Speaker 1: the idea of like keeping your kid away from screens,
Speaker 1: especially with kids, I think has become this really like
Speaker 1: class in this class you think it's the new like
Speaker 1: my kid doesn't watch TV? Yeah, totally. I think that's
Speaker 1: becoming a thing. And I think that, um, I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of families that are like especially famous,
Speaker 1: who can't afford childcare all the time, are more likely
Speaker 1: to just like you know, sit their kids in front
Speaker 1: of the iPad or whatever. Well, to be fair, doctors
Speaker 1: do say you shouldn't let them have a lot of
Speaker 1: screen time, right, Yes, oh yeah, I think it's totally accurate.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like that idea is like reaching
Speaker 1: one part of the population and not the other. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's like I think that like UM
Speaker 1: is sort of bearing out. I think the thing with
Speaker 1: screen time is it's like the downsides are so hard
Speaker 1: to explain. Well. I think a lot of the issues
Speaker 1: in terms of parenting and screen time is that I
Speaker 1: think it's an almost impossible thing to achieve to have
Speaker 1: your kids completely not have access to screens. Especially I mean,
Speaker 1: once your kids are in school, most public schools and
Speaker 1: charter schools have screens. Their homework is done on screens obviously. UM.
Speaker 1: I think you know, usually with pediatrics they tell you
Speaker 1: to avoid all screens before three. But that's also impossible
Speaker 1: if you have multiple children, unless you're able to like
Speaker 1: have separate wings of your house. UM. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of just this impossible thing. And I think that's also
Speaker 1: discussed in the New York or article. UM. They are
Speaker 1: encouraged to call work W because you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: talk about work W talk my W is this and
Speaker 1: it's like it's very discouraged talking about work. But I
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of this we're in this world with
Speaker 1: these two extremes. It's really hard to moderate screen time.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of why people tell parents to
Speaker 1: completely deprive their kids of screen time, because they figure
Speaker 1: it'll at least cut down on it. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a it's a totally it's an economic issue
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it's not just having childcare, but
Speaker 1: it's having the kind of childcare that's like the Montessori
Speaker 1: ody crunchy childcare, and it's you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's practical, but I definitely think there's too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess the idea, like from this article that the
Speaker 1: thing that on the surface, just on on optics level,
Speaker 1: the idea of these like tech billionaires going to this
Speaker 1: extremely expensive retreat to not be on their phones, like
Speaker 1: not being on your phone and like you know, unplugging
Speaker 1: from time to time or trying to reconsider your and
Speaker 1: this is like for people who are the very top
Speaker 1: of this industry, Like that is all now like a
Speaker 1: luxury item. So this is all like goop stuff. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's all a part of it. So like
Speaker 1: that was the thing too. Like when Jack Dorsey from
Speaker 1: Twitter went on that fast, everybody was like, if you
Speaker 1: were a woman, this would just be called like an
Speaker 1: eating disorder, Like you're just depriving yourself of nutrition and
Speaker 1: your brain is gonna like overheat and maybe some weird
Speaker 1: stuff will happen, but that doesn't mean it's like good
Speaker 1: for you. Also, the silliest thing in this article is
Speaker 1: that it is people going to unplug. And also there's
Speaker 1: no cell service, so even if you wanted to plug in,
Speaker 1: you couldn't. But all they do is talk about unplugging.
Speaker 1: They seemed unable to resume any kind of like normal
Speaker 1: pattern that you might recognize from the olden days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody is there for work. That's the funny thing about
Speaker 1: no W talk is that everybody is there because of
Speaker 1: their work. So it's like, but don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's just like not it's like blinding yourself to this
Speaker 1: elephant in the room instead of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: having like a really constructive conversation. I feel like even
Speaker 1: when was like originally founded, it had a reputation for
Speaker 1: being silly. Yes, it was all like unplugged from what
Speaker 1: existed then to unplug from, which was like TV. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: have you guys? You guys have never been No, I
Speaker 1: want to go so bad? Are I? Almost went to Aslin.
Speaker 1: Just take back everything that we just said about us s.
Speaker 1: When I was I was on my honeymoon in Big
Speaker 1: sur and there was this thing of should we go
Speaker 1: to Aslin? But I was too afraid. I never knew,
Speaker 1: and I was too afraid. Yeah, so I didn't. I'm
Speaker 1: I never knew, but I felt intimidated by the prospect.
Speaker 1: And also the sulfur smell is referenced a lot in
Speaker 1: terms of the hot springs at Eslen, and I was
Speaker 1: I was unsure if I would like it, said it
Speaker 1: smelled like lavender and boiled eggs. That's not my jam,
Speaker 1: It's not my thing. I'm afraid of hot springs ever
Speaker 1: since that person got melted in Yellowstone pardon me, Oh,
Speaker 1: they got in a guy because I thought it was
Speaker 1: a hot melted their body. Yeah. Yeah, Ike's definitely talked
Speaker 1: about on this podcast. It's, you know what, all the
Speaker 1: horrors went together after a while. I have my own
Speaker 1: favorites that always flowed to the top. So we wanted
Speaker 1: to take an email that we got at the time
Speaker 1: of recording. Right now, still still shaking off the time
Speaker 1: warp here. We did a podcast about Midsummer which we
Speaker 1: recorded shortly after Midsummer came out and in the interim
Speaker 1: time the Midsummer Director's cut, which I think clocks in
Speaker 1: at something like four hours. Um, way to go, our yester,
Speaker 1: Uh big fans here that has come out. I have
Speaker 1: not seen it yet. I really want to see it.
Speaker 1: But we got a call or an email rather from
Speaker 1: christ and Seattle who says, hey, welcome back night call missed.
Speaker 1: You went and saw the director's cut of Midsummer over
Speaker 1: the weekend, and the white supremacy stuff is for sure validated.
Speaker 1: Early on there's a swastika on a Nazi book of runs.
Speaker 1: Josh is reading Love Talking Midsummer and wanted you to
Speaker 1: know in case you haven't seen the extended cut. Um,
Speaker 1: so you got y'all. Y'all are validated. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just like no, but this was like Marshall McLuhan coming
Speaker 1: out from behind the pole, right, Molly knows everything. Um
Speaker 1: feels good, thank you, Chris feels good. Yeah, And um,
Speaker 1: our other our other friend Oscar sent uh something about
Speaker 1: how there's also a banner that appears in the movie
Speaker 1: I think in the original cut too. That is, it's
Speaker 1: like one of those like over the Road type years
Speaker 1: that says like stop people coming from the immigrants. So
Speaker 1: I think the subtexts was real. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: it's ah. I can't wait to see that movie again.
Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody to follow the Brandy with
Speaker 1: an eye. On Twitter, she did a really good thread
Speaker 1: about going to the Minnesota State Fair a hundred times
Speaker 1: and then she was like, oh, what, you could just
Speaker 1: set midsummer at the Minnesota State that makes sense. She
Speaker 1: was like, you put somebody inside a butter cow at
Speaker 1: the end, what she was just taking an Iowa original
Speaker 1: being inside of a butter sculpture, of not being inside
Speaker 1: but the butter sculpture butter sculptures. I think I'm down.
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of like scary uh scarecrows
Speaker 1: done into celebrities. There was like a Felicity Huffman college
Speaker 1: admission scandal scarecrow that was terrifying. That kind of stuff
Speaker 1: gives me such bad I also watched Children in the
Speaker 1: Corn for the first time. Never see that. That's that's wild,
Speaker 1: It's so good. I saw that movie so early, like
Speaker 1: way before, and I was one of those kids who
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of screen time. Guys, so you
Speaker 1: saw but this is weird. I'm saying it's weird though,
Speaker 1: because usually I'm not the person who's seen this stuff
Speaker 1: as a kid, But for whatever reason, I saw Children
Speaker 1: of the Cord when I was like eight or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so good and it's very midsummery. Yeah, no, totally,
Speaker 1: and the original story is even more midsummer I guess
Speaker 1: the movie is a little happy ending Earth on the original. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the conspiracy that is on
Speaker 1: all of hard vides right now, let's not lie. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Night Call, and now the moment you've all
Speaker 1: been waiting for. We're going to talk about some alleged
Speaker 1: allegations that are alleged pill me. We're gonna uppel everybody.
Speaker 1: Molly is going to take the lead on this, because
Speaker 1: if anyone follows Molly on Twitter, they know that Molly
Speaker 1: all the time. Now about the Epstein scandal. I bet
Speaker 1: I just posted about other things too. No, but you
Speaker 1: have a lot to say about Epstein. It's fascinating, It
Speaker 1: is super fascinating. It's fascinating because it has like tentacles
Speaker 1: that go into everything and uh, there's so many stories
Speaker 1: keep coming out that are so insane, and it all
Speaker 1: happened in front of everybody. That's a crazy pocket. So
Speaker 1: I went on a deep dive the other day. This
Speaker 1: is maybe what you're talking about in the Getty Images
Speaker 1: where I looked up her name is. We still don't
Speaker 1: know how to say it. We're calling her Jis Lane
Speaker 1: Delane Gillen, G M. Maxwell. Yeah, a lady, an evil lady.
Speaker 1: She was all over Getty Images because she was a socialite.
Speaker 1: In addition to being a fixer, whatever PM whatever else
Speaker 1: criminal activity she was allegedly doing all alleged trafficker, alleged
Speaker 1: underage trafficker of underage girls. She was also like hosting
Speaker 1: things in her penthouse, her skip weird nineties weird town house. Although,
Speaker 1: as I was saying, like I was looking for these pictures,
Speaker 1: I was trying to find other pictures of her townhouse
Speaker 1: because there's one picture that appeared in her townhouse that
Speaker 1: actually was too creeped me out too much, um, which
Speaker 1: was the picture of there's like a double mask on
Speaker 1: the wall, um and it's it's just in a totally
Speaker 1: innocuous party photo. She held a party at her house
Speaker 1: with I think Dom Perignon, and so it's just party
Speaker 1: pictures from that party, and then in the background of
Speaker 1: a bartender, it's like atmosphere. Those are what they call
Speaker 1: the photos that are just of random stuff at a party,
Speaker 1: and it's just a guy pouring a drink under this
Speaker 1: like terrifying Satan mask on the wall. And then people
Speaker 1: in my comments are like, hey, look at the print
Speaker 1: on the cloak under the mask. There's this symbol all
Speaker 1: over it that everybody knows is the internationally recognized symbol
Speaker 1: for pedophiles looking for children. And then what is the symbol?
Speaker 1: It is a my angle with a spiral inside and
Speaker 1: it is printed all over this thing, and it does
Speaker 1: look like a mask that comes down off the wall
Speaker 1: and like has eye holes, you know. But I couldn't
Speaker 1: find out anything else about it, and people were sending
Speaker 1: me screenshots of something that they claim come from because
Speaker 1: again I can't, I don't. This is when I started
Speaker 1: to feel like I was losing my mind. Uh, they
Speaker 1: were sending me screenshots something from wiki leaks that alleges
Speaker 1: that these are like the international symbols that pedophiles you
Speaker 1: use to attract each other, or and there's one that's
Speaker 1: like for girls people looking for girls. That's like a
Speaker 1: butterfly with a heart inside. That stuff always kind of
Speaker 1: tips off my bullshit radar. I have to say the
Speaker 1: secret syml stuff because it just feels like satanic panic.
Speaker 1: It does, except then the symbol was all over the thing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, what does it mean? Doing
Speaker 1: a bit? They're like you guys right, also like I'm
Speaker 1: not going to look that up because then it's in
Speaker 1: my search history. I'm not going to search like, what
Speaker 1: are the symbols that pedophiles you? You can't believe you
Speaker 1: don't have tor yet. I mean even if I did,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would want that in my browser. Um,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, when you go on a
Speaker 1: deep dive about miss Maxwell, it starts to get it.
Speaker 1: You start to feel like you're playing with fire a
Speaker 1: little bit. What break our brains about this is that
Speaker 1: crazy days and nights just posting about it constantly. Um,
Speaker 1: for years they were posting about there's this billionaire pedophile
Speaker 1: and he has a plane and he takes people to
Speaker 1: his private island, and all sounded so far fetched, and
Speaker 1: he was kind of doing it in the context of
Speaker 1: like this is going to come out soon, which is
Speaker 1: like and and the thing is with Crazy Days and Nights,
Speaker 1: he had all of the Weinstein stuff on there and like,
Speaker 1: but all that stuff was where I think we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: Crazy Days and Nights is going total cuan on. Like
Speaker 1: it turned because I was like, oh, they're implicating the
Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation. And then I was like, oh, the Clinton
Speaker 1: Foundation is implicated. Like all of this stuff was real.
Speaker 1: But what is crazy is when you do start tweeting
Speaker 1: about it, you get people from every side, and those
Speaker 1: sides are that like, Liberals think that Trump is totally responsible.
Speaker 1: Trump people think that the Clintons are totally responsible, and
Speaker 1: Europeans think it's all Prince Andrew and whoever is the closest,
Speaker 1: they all have this thing. What is also so weird
Speaker 1: because because I was like, maybe this will make the
Speaker 1: Q and on people come to this realization of like
Speaker 1: the Illuminati is just that people with money can buy
Speaker 1: their way out of crime. But the Q and on
Speaker 1: is like the crazy The craziest thing about Q and
Speaker 1: on now is that they have like done mental gymnastics
Speaker 1: to make Donald Trump the hero of the story. That's
Speaker 1: the thing is this doesn't compute with their story. So
Speaker 1: I don't understand how they're not like, oh, Trump is
Speaker 1: in on it, everybody's in on it, because that is
Speaker 1: what is it turns out true. Allegedly across the aisle,
Speaker 1: this guy blackmailed all kinds of creepy dudes into doing
Speaker 1: things that are illegal and then supposedly videotaped it. I
Speaker 1: think on a broader note, we were talking about this yesterday. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think we haven't really talked about this Epstein stuff
Speaker 1: at all because it happened while we were away, and
Speaker 1: I think on a on abroad like not alleging anything
Speaker 1: type level, I have just been kind of I felt
Speaker 1: a little bit stupid for how much I kind of
Speaker 1: didn't like discounted any of this stuff going on. Like
Speaker 1: I was talking about the Lynn Ramsey movie You Were
Speaker 1: Never Really Here, which came out I think it was
Speaker 1: a canon. Uh maybe came out in theaters the next year,
Speaker 1: but so it's like a little it's it's been a
Speaker 1: while since it came out, and I, you know, I
Speaker 1: love her as a director, and I read the novella
Speaker 1: by Jonathan Names because I was like going to interview her.
Speaker 1: So I was just like doing research on it and
Speaker 1: it was like the whole thing just it just made
Speaker 1: me feel so achy and it was just like it
Speaker 1: felt like such a weird Brooklyn guy. I eat Jonathan
Speaker 1: Eames fantasy about like being the vigilante who rescues all
Speaker 1: the young girls from the pedophiles. That definitely it just
Speaker 1: felt like souper. And this was all post Pizza Gate
Speaker 1: that I read. This book was written before that, but
Speaker 1: it's still had this thing of like, oh, yeah, all
Speaker 1: the girls are getting raped and we all have to
Speaker 1: like solve the only one tough guy in Brooklyn can
Speaker 1: crack the case. But like the movie, which is like
Speaker 1: very well directed, still not my favorite movie of hers,
Speaker 1: but like has and it has like a very extreme
Speaker 1: Walking Phoenix performance in it. Um is there any other kind? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no other kind. Take a moment to talk about
Speaker 1: Derga Cubos theory just just I just want to finish
Speaker 1: this real quick. But like, um, but the movie like
Speaker 1: depicts Walking Phoenix's character basically Stormy like a one man
Speaker 1: like operation to go storm this pedophile mansion. There's and
Speaker 1: there's one in Manhattan, like an Upper east Side one,
Speaker 1: and then there's like a big estate somewhere and he
Speaker 1: goes into because he has to rescue this girl from it,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like like aesthetically, it all feels
Speaker 1: like pretty note for a note from what we've like
Speaker 1: now would have been reported. So does I watched HUT? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, well I watched HUT hasn't been reported yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, like the like Little Saint James and
Speaker 1: all that stuff like that all feels like just ripped
Speaker 1: from this book. And maybe I'm just creeped out by
Speaker 1: any rich person New York apartment where I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: this costs so much money and yet still feels so
Speaker 1: claustrophobic and like busy wallpaper. Because the ones I looked
Speaker 1: at other than just leans, I was like, these all
Speaker 1: looked just as haunted to me as the one where
Speaker 1: horrible things happened. Well also, I mean going back to
Speaker 1: what Emily was saying when I haven't seen it yet,
Speaker 1: but it reminded me of you know in that was
Speaker 1: also during a time when there were a lot of
Speaker 1: local panics about human trafficking that turned out to be false.
Speaker 1: Like there was this one out here in Ikea that
Speaker 1: made a bunch of like regional news where yeah, people
Speaker 1: would become really paranoid in public spaces that there were
Speaker 1: men following them, watching them, and these people immediately assumed
Speaker 1: that they were human traffickers, and and it was later
Speaker 1: kind of like pooh pooed by realistic people. And then
Speaker 1: these people would be like, well, you're just ignoring the
Speaker 1: reality of human trafficking. And I always thought it seemed
Speaker 1: so ridiculous, and then the Epstein thing happened, and it's
Speaker 1: all human trafficking. And then like all of these people
Speaker 1: tend to be such hypocrites about legalizing sex work, which
Speaker 1: would be like the way that would actually help stop trafficking.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, we have to ban ale sex work
Speaker 1: because it will lead to trafficking. And then it's like,
Speaker 1: well that's how things like this are able to happen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole like the trafficking thing again, Like this is
Speaker 1: why all of my skepticism was up for this thing,
Speaker 1: like or anything like it up until this is that
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I feel like anytime I'm like
Speaker 1: a hotel late at night and I just turned on
Speaker 1: the TV and it's like some late nine night news
Speaker 1: thing or like sixteen minutes or something, it's always some
Speaker 1: like deep report on like human trafficking. It's happening in
Speaker 1: your name exactly. There's so much scaremongering and there's so
Speaker 1: much it's it's like the most fetishized like kind of crime.
Speaker 1: And it always feels so gross to me, how much
Speaker 1: its sensationalized, And I think like disproportionately. Maybe it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's good to be a little naive
Speaker 1: about the exploitation of like teenage girls, because otherwise you
Speaker 1: just want to like blow everything up all the time.
Speaker 1: It was truly a lot of evidence that was also
Speaker 1: disturbing to read and also so tragic and horrible, terrible
Speaker 1: stuff to read. Horrible. But on on a tangent to
Speaker 1: that we all looked at I believe the bridget read
Speaker 1: cut article on I just I just hate saying jis Lane?
Speaker 1: Is it gis Lane? Jis Lane. I don't think you
Speaker 1: said the s. I think it's is silent. All right.
Speaker 1: Let's call her delane Um Jolne. Maxwell's twin sisters have
Speaker 1: their own wild stories. They are indeed some wild stories.
Speaker 1: If you have not yet dunked a foot into the
Speaker 1: Lane story is honestly like the tip of the Iceberg
Speaker 1: for the weirdness of this story that encompasses everything weird
Speaker 1: about world history. Um. And then I think also this
Speaker 1: made me be like there might be other things like this.
Speaker 1: If this is one that we know about now, who
Speaker 1: knows what else is going on. That's why they have
Speaker 1: a conspiracy podcast. Guys. Still in some way like it's
Speaker 1: like it's good that you take the rock off and
Speaker 1: all the bugs come out, and then you have to
Speaker 1: deal with it. Like there's so many people trying to
Speaker 1: make this story go away or end or be like, wow,
Speaker 1: he's dead now it's over. Suicide is tragic suicide, so sad,
Speaker 1: it's definitely a suicide. Yeah, this issue comes home to
Speaker 1: roost every day. But it's yeah, I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't end. There's new stuff constantly. It's going to
Speaker 1: keep going. People are going to ask everybody involved about
Speaker 1: it for the rest of their lives about it, and
Speaker 1: they should. Um. But there was the story that about
Speaker 1: the sisters was crazy because it's about how the father,
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell, who was this crazy like citizen Kane type figure,
Speaker 1: evil right wing guy, his whole family was killed in
Speaker 1: the Holocaust, so then he tried to replicate it by
Speaker 1: having six children because he was like, all his siblings
Speaker 1: died except for him, so he was like, I will
Speaker 1: recreate my dead family through my family. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: there were twins in addition to Jolne, and one of
Speaker 1: the twins married uh I believe his name is Robert
Speaker 1: Melina Roger Malina, the son of Frank Molina, who was
Speaker 1: one of the original jet Propulsion lab guys, who was
Speaker 1: part of the Jack Parsons thing, the whole uh douvil
Speaker 1: worship kind of sex called early rocket tree stuff, which
Speaker 1: again it made me think about that stuff and be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there was a lot of like let's do
Speaker 1: some rituals and have some weird sex and see if
Speaker 1: it helps us get good at rockets going on? Then
Speaker 1: why would we be surprised that all these rockets in
Speaker 1: front all these tech people. Well like then this is
Speaker 1: like what we talked about with Midsummer is like, as
Speaker 1: soon as you start going into esoterica, there's no coming back.
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, all these like tech people and
Speaker 1: rich people, they reached this impass where it's like I
Speaker 1: can buy everything. But wait, what about The other twin Isabelle,
Speaker 1: who whose third husband Al Seckel was an optical illusionist
Speaker 1: who was hanging out benign but he was a scam artist.
Speaker 1: And then he he had a scientific conference on Epstein's island. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think he rumored to have fallen off a
Speaker 1: cliff near his home, just like Jolene's father was rumored
Speaker 1: to be maybe pushed off the boat. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: it just yeah, once you start thinking about it just
Speaker 1: makes you be like, oh, did rip torn really die?
Speaker 1: What is real hiding out to come back? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: is reel? Molly? What are your favorite Um, you don't
Speaker 1: have to necessarily endorse them, but like what's your favorite
Speaker 1: current theory around the Epstein case? Um, Like, maybe just
Speaker 1: do one for flavor. I'm kind of think of what
Speaker 1: was like the craziest one I heard that he hadn't
Speaker 1: heard and the double one they replaced his body with
Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdain. That was one of the rumors. It's not real.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You follow this go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole and you start to be like, well, this crazy
Speaker 1: thing is true, and it makes you understand how people
Speaker 1: turn into que and on people or get red pilled
Speaker 1: because it's like normal, like crazy thing, that's true. Crazy
Speaker 1: thing that's true. Crazy, thing that's too crazy, thing that's
Speaker 1: not true, isn't less crazy than any of these other things.
Speaker 1: And plausible deniability is how these people get away with it.
Speaker 1: And like class issues, like people trusting that the rich
Speaker 1: or not having pedophile islands. Never never trust that for
Speaker 1: a second. But again, it just needs to be like
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't as world weary as a thought
Speaker 1: because I didn't know about this. Uh, you don't have
Speaker 1: the imagination and creativity of like a rich per I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's also really disappointed, but maybe not super
Speaker 1: surprising to see how many dudes got taken in by
Speaker 1: this guy, you know. Especially it's like he's he's a
Speaker 1: fustrating of scientific community, right because that was after he
Speaker 1: got busted for being a pedophile. He came back and
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to give all this money to
Speaker 1: M I. T And Harvard and all these science foundations
Speaker 1: to figure out how to live forever, and like put
Speaker 1: my egg dick on ice so it can be brought
Speaker 1: back in the future to prize other people. He's like
Speaker 1: only preserving his brain and his weird shaped dick. You
Speaker 1: know what. I love though I keep saying this but
Speaker 1: like it brings me no end of happiness. That like,
Speaker 1: these guys can buy anything but a bigger dick. Well
Speaker 1: the egg ship, Well, I don't know how to do
Speaker 1: if you want to go into but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: like like that clearly has so much to do with
Speaker 1: why I mean not that sounds like enlargement, gonna ry
Speaker 1: it whatever it is, it couldn't be fixed. He was
Speaker 1: never going to get what he wanted, so he had
Speaker 1: to do all these illegal, evil, sociopathic things. Some people
Speaker 1: just shouldn't be given power. Agreed. Yeah, well, nobody should
Speaker 1: have an island. That's true. Nobody should have an island.
Speaker 1: And that's the official Nightcall stance. Correct left us, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't think we could have a peninsula. That's
Speaker 1: you know, I actually feel like a peninsula has a
Speaker 1: much better an inlet cape. Yeah, an inlet. An inlet
Speaker 1: is actually more our speed. I would do an inlet.
Speaker 1: That's what we want. We're like murder, she wrote. I
Speaker 1: like places you can only reach by boat, like like
Speaker 1: where there's an inlet surrounded by high cliffs, so you
Speaker 1: can only get their own I'm a little scared of
Speaker 1: boats now, I'm a little scared of boats. And also
Speaker 1: my whole deal is I need to be able to
Speaker 1: walk to a grocery store. So I'm just letting you
Speaker 1: go to work because it's just it's a requirement. Um,
Speaker 1: I think we should take a really brief nightcall. Which
Speaker 1: is kind of a comment. This one comes to us
Speaker 1: from Bata. I'm cutting this down, but basically this is
Speaker 1: this is the important part, and this is directed to Molly.
Speaker 1: I figured I should write in with my contention that
Speaker 1: Molly's celebrity doppelganger, or like the older relative who everyone
Speaker 1: always calm and looked just like you when she was younger,
Speaker 1: is the princess of Morocco, Princess La la Palma. This
Speaker 1: is the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. Are
Speaker 1: you looking at Lalla Salma? Yeah? I looked her. I
Speaker 1: looked at her far and I was so flattered I
Speaker 1: almost I meant to do this. Um. There was an
Speaker 1: Instagram ad that was served to me for jeans, and
Speaker 1: the model of them did look like a dompole gamer
Speaker 1: for you, you have a lot of doppel game and told.
Speaker 1: It's also weird though, when somebody is like they were
Speaker 1: just like you and you're like, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: This isn'ertain. She's she's very glamorous. She's of Morocco. Definitely
Speaker 1: has your eyes. I mean, I just I'm going to
Speaker 1: do a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's cord? Is that
Speaker 1: the one? Or is the Prince and the pauper? Where
Speaker 1: do you switch places? That one? Though? This is my
Speaker 1: homemark movie. You're a Moroccan prince, Christmas prince, and maybe
Speaker 1: a Moroccan princess who finds love. Um, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break real quick and then we're going to
Speaker 1: move on to something slightly lighter than Jahrey Epstein. All Right,
Speaker 1: so we're back. Um. Also in the interim, since we
Speaker 1: have last been with you, Laona del Ray released a
Speaker 1: new album. Uh, one other person in this room is
Speaker 1: excited about I'm excited. Um. Laona del Ray is like
Speaker 1: a classic night called Divider. I feel like or like
Speaker 1: a to one divider. I have a lot of two one.
Speaker 1: I'm super allergic to Launa del Ray. I won't go
Speaker 1: I I take no pleasure in not liking her. I
Speaker 1: want to give her all the credit that you guys do,
Speaker 1: but I feel like she's not She's not what she
Speaker 1: gets credit for being That's all I'll say. She is,
Speaker 1: I guess our cat power now, which is so cat
Speaker 1: power we still have cat power. But I mean like
Speaker 1: she's like, I feel like I also got in a
Speaker 1: fight with somebody because they were like, hey, it's fine,
Speaker 1: I don't like Lana. I like cat power, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I mean it's not also if they like
Speaker 1: each other, so it's fine. Um. Anyway, she released an
Speaker 1: album called Norman Fucking Rockwell iconic title for an iconic album.
Speaker 1: Um but, and I'm a huge fan of it. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I listened to it all the time in
Speaker 1: the car. Now it's like great because last time I
Speaker 1: lived in l a Ultra Violence had come out that
Speaker 1: summer and I just spent I remember spending my last
Speaker 1: summer out here just driving around listening to Ultra Violence
Speaker 1: all the time. And now I'm back and now I
Speaker 1: have a new lawna album listened to in the car,
Speaker 1: great driving music. Um but, Lana got into a little
Speaker 1: bit of a fight with a critic, which is I
Speaker 1: guess what all of the pop artists are doing this year. Um.
Speaker 1: She got in a fight though with like the the
Speaker 1: music critic, like of all the music critics to who
Speaker 1: wrote a really at all that I would say positive review. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a very clear eyed and like very engaged review by
Speaker 1: empowers um at MPR, which will definitely link to if
Speaker 1: you haven't read it by now, even though it is
Speaker 1: very controversial at this point. Um Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: love the review was incredible, and it was and I
Speaker 1: was reading it, you know, knowing that this thing had
Speaker 1: happened where she had called I wanted called Empowers out,
Speaker 1: But I was also thinking, like, man, five years ago,
Speaker 1: would you have a review of this like depth and
Speaker 1: quality about Allana del Rey record. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, like not like this is Like I think
Speaker 1: what's difficult for people to understand is there's like two
Speaker 1: things that happened. Like first, there was a shift where
Speaker 1: finally people would take female artists and pop artists seriously
Speaker 1: in the mainstream the way they consider indie rock and
Speaker 1: wrap and all that stuff. And that took forever, and
Speaker 1: I feel like dudes maybe don't know about it as
Speaker 1: much because they didn't have to push for those reviews
Speaker 1: all the time and be told like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That's not on the same plane as like Kanye which
Speaker 1: is not true. So she puts Kanye in this place
Speaker 1: on this record, So that happened. And then there's this
Speaker 1: other thing that's happened, which is that musicians keep using
Speaker 1: Twitter specifically to get people fired from critic positions that
Speaker 1: they disagree with reviews of. And I think once people
Speaker 1: realized they could do that, they started doing it, even
Speaker 1: though it makes me think it makes anybody anybody even fired? Well,
Speaker 1: I oh, yeah, no, I know of the one, but
Speaker 1: I feel like the big ones from this year, like
Speaker 1: the Lizzo one and the Ariana Grande thing, I don't
Speaker 1: think those people got fired. Didn't Nicki Minaj get somebody
Speaker 1: fired for about review? I don't know, and I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I think so. Also yeah, speaking
Speaker 1: from personal experience, no, I mean people, there are a
Speaker 1: lot that have not been reported that that super sucks. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing about the this Lana clapback, I hate to
Speaker 1: use that word um she I mean she basically took
Speaker 1: issue with and power is writing about her career from
Speaker 1: like kind of through the lens of like a like
Speaker 1: personas that that Lana has adopted and moved in and
Speaker 1: out of, which I think is like fair as many people,
Speaker 1: and her mentions were saying her name is not actually
Speaker 1: Lana Delfrey. That is a name she made up because
Speaker 1: it's like her artist persona. She's went through many before
Speaker 1: that before becoming famous, like she is a person who
Speaker 1: uses personas. But I did find and because I was,
Speaker 1: I generally get very um upset when I see artists
Speaker 1: doing this kind of thing. But I did note that
Speaker 1: in all of the things, Like Lana's very harsh in
Speaker 1: her response, but she did not say funk all critics
Speaker 1: or like you shouldn't have your job, but nobody says
Speaker 1: I too, didn't know. I hon to say, like I
Speaker 1: can't wait for you to be lit, and when people
Speaker 1: will say like you shouldn't have like critics shouldn't be
Speaker 1: an occupation, Like if you're an artist, you should know
Speaker 1: how to make a record before you can critique an album,
Speaker 1: which is just I guess you're right, yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1: None of that was called into question in Lana's response,
Speaker 1: So that's something. But it's still like it's weird because
Speaker 1: it keeps being people who are like otherwise doing well,
Speaker 1: Like I understand why like Azalea Banks comes for Lizzo
Speaker 1: because it gets her pressed and she's mad that she
Speaker 1: blew it herself, you know, but like, I don't get
Speaker 1: why Lizzo comes to a critic because Lizzo is having
Speaker 1: like yeah, and I have agreed with other things, like
Speaker 1: when she was like, you know, why do people treat
Speaker 1: me like a singer instead of a rapper? Like if
Speaker 1: Swaylie and post Malona rappers and like I'm a rapper,
Speaker 1: which is also true, and people were like, why is
Speaker 1: she coming for Swayli and that one. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: she has a point, like yeah, I guess, uh well,
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's just like it should all
Speaker 1: be a conversation, right, Like, I don't think anybody has
Speaker 1: the last word, not the artist or the critic. I
Speaker 1: think the real it's also because artists don't do like
Speaker 1: really in her no, they don't do so although she
Speaker 1: like she did some really good ones, but I think
Speaker 1: it is weird for people to be like, oh, the
Speaker 1: relationship does go both ways, but only sometimes. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't one of the issues that Lana took with the
Speaker 1: piece that um she that you know, the point was
Speaker 1: made that she does not really have any strong positions
Speaker 1: on anything, you know, like social activism, feminism, all of that,
Speaker 1: that those things had been mentioned, and that Lana felt
Speaker 1: as though those things should be out of bounds and
Speaker 1: that everyone should just be very grateful that she gives
Speaker 1: people whatever the words were of like the benefits of
Speaker 1: my graciousness or something. That's sort of weird too, because
Speaker 1: like I feel like on the last album and this one,
Speaker 1: like she is actually like being more political than she's
Speaker 1: ever been before in her music, in her very long
Speaker 1: a way. Um and and so it's odd to me
Speaker 1: that she like there's a whole song, I mean not
Speaker 1: a whole song, but like half a song on this
Speaker 1: album that's like I'm pretty sure about the whole thing
Speaker 1: where she was going to perform in Israel and then
Speaker 1: everybody got mad at her and then she tried to
Speaker 1: perform in Palestine but couldn't so canceled. Both that what happened,
Speaker 1: So it was this big like bad look thing where
Speaker 1: she was and really like she was really playing that
Speaker 1: card of like my gift is that I am just
Speaker 1: an inspiration to everybody, and like tried tried to do that,
Speaker 1: but everybody was just like you can't, that doesn't work well.
Speaker 1: She also said that she had no interest in ever
Speaker 1: discussing feminism that it bored her, and that was at
Speaker 1: a time when that was such a fraud question that
Speaker 1: I think everyone did resent being asked. I feel like
Speaker 1: people should resent being asked. It doesn't everyone feel like
Speaker 1: women are equal? I can we take it for granted.
Speaker 1: I think that thing is that when someone goes so
Speaker 1: far is to be like, actually, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: women are equal. It gives me such pause, and then
Speaker 1: I think of, you know, I mean it was the
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein line and Coca Cola and then having that
Speaker 1: kind of removed. I mean, she her whole. I think
Speaker 1: it's her image. I don't think it's who she necessarily
Speaker 1: is as an artist. It's like the window dressing that
Speaker 1: goes along with it. I don't think is it's not clever,
Speaker 1: it's not appealing. Her lyrics can be clever and appealing,
Speaker 1: but a lot of how she packages herself deserves criticism.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah. And I think that's the great thing
Speaker 1: about Anne Powers's review is that it is about how
Speaker 1: like she is actually taking all of these anxieties that
Speaker 1: we have right now, especially about how like men and
Speaker 1: women relate to one another, and like not necessarily doing
Speaker 1: the comfortable thing with them and not like not doing
Speaker 1: like something like quote unquote empowering about it, but actually
Speaker 1: just like sifting through all the weird contradictions and stuff
Speaker 1: of that, which I think is something I've especially liked
Speaker 1: about her music these last few albums, um or like
Speaker 1: her lyrics these last few albums. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's a little disingenuous of her to say that,
Speaker 1: like she's not like that, she's that she's not interested
Speaker 1: in that stuff. I think everyone just needs to not
Speaker 1: have social media. Well, I think also just for her
Speaker 1: specific image. Like one of the things that's good about
Speaker 1: it is that it is so like old Hollywood, like
Speaker 1: removed from the constantly interacting with your fans personally. I
Speaker 1: feel like the more distance you give people, like, the
Speaker 1: better that works. Yeah. Yeah, it's this album though, is
Speaker 1: so like like low fi digital though, like even all
Speaker 1: of her like singles covers are just like shitty selfies
Speaker 1: she's taking. It's like critics don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: in an artist's mind. Then, Like that's true for sure,
Speaker 1: and like we've all been guilty of, like think peace
Speaker 1: saying about things that are just you're really just projecting
Speaker 1: your own feelings about like, that's all criticism is, I
Speaker 1: think it is. You're just projecting your own feelings onto
Speaker 1: something somebody ate. You're not necessarily saying what you think
Speaker 1: they meant. It's what you feel when you hear it.
Speaker 1: But if somebody wrote a think piece about me, I
Speaker 1: would be so mad. Right if somebody was like describing
Speaker 1: me in a way I didn't like, I would totally
Speaker 1: read it and be mad about it. Would I tweet
Speaker 1: about it? Probably you would tweet about it. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: tweet about it when you wrote a nightcall like hit
Speaker 1: piece and called us all like a bunch of dumbity.
Speaker 1: But that's not what she would absolutely very good except well,
Speaker 1: I'm they have and we have not tweeted, by the way,
Speaker 1: and they will certainly more and as maybe they should,
Speaker 1: and they should be happy for the gifts of our benefits,
Speaker 1: as I think, like having been a critic and a
Speaker 1: person who makes things like I think on both ends,
Speaker 1: you cannot try for this like tower, like this tower
Speaker 1: mentality of like I am projecting this down to you.
Speaker 1: You all take it and you shut up Swift. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very that's very tailor. It's very like it's very
Speaker 1: pre internet started, and that's just not the way things
Speaker 1: work now. They never really worked that way, but I
Speaker 1: think now it's like more apparent than ever. But like,
Speaker 1: and you make a thing, whether it's a film or
Speaker 1: write a book or an album, like that is the
Speaker 1: beginning of many conversations that you have no control over.
Speaker 1: And now there's like controlled access with the illusion of
Speaker 1: uncontrolled access. It's still I know that this is a
Speaker 1: very different thing. But I was also recently very obsessed
Speaker 1: with mary Anne Williamson um direct messaging Molly john Fast
Speaker 1: mother Erica Jong to complain that she had been criticized
Speaker 1: on Twitter. And what's funny about Marianne Williamson, who I
Speaker 1: do not think it would at all make a good
Speaker 1: president and I do not endorse in any way. However, wait,
Speaker 1: are you saying you love marian But I have to
Speaker 1: say one thing that I really do like about her
Speaker 1: social media strategy she's insane. No, is that she engages
Speaker 1: in a very like passive aggressive way that that works.
Speaker 1: And then to find out that she was being snitchy
Speaker 1: by d m NG someone's mom, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: even she like she looks pretty risk change people come
Speaker 1: at her for a lot of great shem Erica Jong
Speaker 1: about her daughter. Yes, she was like your daughter, maybe
Speaker 1: too young to understand how to deal with these things,
Speaker 1: by the way, Molly John Fastest forty one, Well maybe
Speaker 1: she's too young to realize how nasty it was, but
Speaker 1: you know she she was criticizing me, and she was
Speaker 1: criticizing her, saying that like you should pray for people
Speaker 1: during a natural disas that that you can with the
Speaker 1: power of prayer, that's her whole flags you can cure
Speaker 1: cancer and age. She's so it's so offensive. No, I
Speaker 1: hate her. I hate her so much. People come after
Speaker 1: her with like these really great arguments about why she's
Speaker 1: so wrong, and she maintains this like polish and RESPONSI
Speaker 1: it's very new aging. But it made me think of,
Speaker 1: you know, how easy it is to kind of keep
Speaker 1: it together, like with a lot of delray. It's like
Speaker 1: you have to be able to if you're thing as
Speaker 1: personas like you have to really be able to measure
Speaker 1: the response to something like that and realize if it's
Speaker 1: a good response or a bad response, and how to
Speaker 1: kind of play the game. It was such a misguided
Speaker 1: what does simplest fuck mean, oh, it's too We'll get
Speaker 1: into it when I make you. Guys read Fear of
Speaker 1: Flying for the podcast that people said crazy things to
Speaker 1: Erica John all the time after she wrote Fear of Flying,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, because she I mean, she's written extensively
Speaker 1: about her marriages and real people and everything. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's kind of given people the license to to
Speaker 1: retort um. But I guess that's the point that you
Speaker 1: always have the right to respond and everyone has the
Speaker 1: right to judge you for that. Do you guys see
Speaker 1: about Nicki Minaj retiring. Mrs Petty, Mrs Patty, We're all
Speaker 1: Mrs Petty, it's time, she'll be back. It's time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a little I wish it wasn't
Speaker 1: like to get married. Don't you think It's like some
Speaker 1: people just can't have of social media because they can't resist,
Speaker 1: and that's everybody. I don't know, man, you guys, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Having
Speaker 1: having no screen time in the middle of my day
Speaker 1: is like, oh, this has been a life changer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like because when you get off the boat long enough,
Speaker 1: you can't I can't. It's like quit smoking, you wait
Speaker 1: a little while, and then it's poison again. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you ever see the um what's it?
Speaker 1: The dance documentary Rise that the Crumping documentary? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like they talk about like every day they meet in
Speaker 1: a circle and they do their dances. But if you
Speaker 1: miss one day, you won't know like what everybody's doing,
Speaker 1: you won't understand the dance. And it's like, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel. When I'm off of Twitter for a day,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we talking about? Now? What's this?
Speaker 1: I first joined Twitter, I was like, who cares about
Speaker 1: anything anyone's saying? Uh? Or Instagram stories? I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to see ten second updates of people's lives
Speaker 1: because why now? And now I still don't want to,
Speaker 1: but I still do. It's like my late night TV
Speaker 1: or something. It's like what I look at before going
Speaker 1: to bed, which is like not great. Well that's what
Speaker 1: we like to talk about here on nightcall. So if
Speaker 1: you have things you like to do before going to
Speaker 1: bed that watch Children of the Corn. Watch Children of
Speaker 1: the Corn theories about the extended Children of the Corn universe.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions or if you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts about the new Leaches. Also, of course, just
Speaker 1: reopping that I'd really like to hear people's thoughts on
Speaker 1: the new leeches. Stories are crazy? Any Jeffrey Epstein conspiracies
Speaker 1: we haven't yet. Don't go to the government to Night Call.
Speaker 1: But make sure you say allegedly so that if we
Speaker 1: play your voicemail on the air, we all cut. Let
Speaker 1: us know to store your voice on that. If you
Speaker 1: know about any other weird cults we should know about, Yeah,
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