WEBVTT - 76: Nobody Should Have an Island 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.360 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:11.400 ten pm at the Universal City In and Out and 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:33.120 you're listening to night Call. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall, 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.559 a podcast for your strange days and lily nights. My 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.640 name is Emily Oshida. I am here in Los Angeles 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.720 and along with me are Tess Lynch and Molly Lambert. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.120 And we're back. I think out of our time warp. Officially, 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.080 I feel like I'm wiping. I'm like shaking the time 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.480 warp dust off of me or something. Um. Thanks to 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.480 everybody for for sticking with us through our hiatus. We've 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.640 been airing some of our episodes that we did during 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.560 the hiatus over the last couple of weeks, and now 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.240 we are somewhat and living in the present. We're catching 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.360 up almost. It's exciting. We're almost to be and and 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.039 and I mean, given what we're talking about this week, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.120 we will still probably feel like we're in a time 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.160 work because everything is so fucking weird right now. Life 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.880 comes at you pretty fast night call. Um. But first 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.639 and again, this is some old news. But I I stuck. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.600 I stuck this on our our dock like weeks ago, 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.720 and I think we would be remiss if we didn't 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.039 talk about the new leach on the block, New leach 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.600 on the block. Um, this is a leech that was 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.760 discovered in Nearer Washington, d C. Inviting all sorts of 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.360 easy jokes. Um, there's a it's a coastal species of 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:51.880 leech that has fifty nine teeth and I believe three jaws, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.520 three whole jaws three. Um, it is a it's it's 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.760 I think they haven't found a new species of leech 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:06.040 in America since um, the fifties, I believe. And it's 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.440 a species of leeches called I guess they're called medicinal leeches. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.200 Let's give some credit to the international team of museum 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:18.080 scientists led by Anna Phillips, the Smithsonian's curator of parasitic Worms. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.200 She waded into this swamp with shorts on to see 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.919 these leeches. They like bait them. That's how they find them. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.639 You bat them with your legs, You bait them with yourself. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.760 It's like that. It's like being uh like um, you 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.800 know whatever they're called in for vampiresm where you're just 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.760 like the blood bag. They're like science. I've heard there's 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:43.600 a lot of leeches in the water. Disney World. Really well, 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.000 it's Florida. I guess that makes sense. It kind of 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.000 makes sense. Uh maybe also a disney Land, I heard, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.880 but I where would they be at Disney the Jungle 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:57.360 Cruise chlorinated? No leeches in that fake news. I'm going 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.639 to say that this leech, by the way, is it 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.000 should not be tied to d C because it can 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.240 be found as far north as New York and as 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.400 far south as Georgia. So it's just a coastal Atlantic 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.600 blood sucker. Don't think you're safe when you're not in 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.600 washing in d C. I heard Anta Phillips on the 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:18.320 radio accidentally also talking about this um and she was 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.880 talking about how like it sounds like the most terrifying 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.920 thing in the world, like a leech with three jaws. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.280 But she's like, it doesn't actually hurt that much. Like 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.080 I guess it's like the thing with leeches, like people 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.640 used to put them on their bodies all the time. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.760 It's as long as a cigarette and it's wide as 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.840 two cigarettes, which is a funny thing. Yeah, it's a 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.840 cigarilla olive green with orange spots. Is the deal with 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.640 leeches that it doesn't hurt because of the section have 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.960 we talked about this before, I'm having about our leech conversation. Well, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.720 I think, and I don't know if this is the 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.800 case with this particular leech, but usually it is suction, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.160 like it's not a teeth thing. They don't puncture to 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.920 draw blood. They actually suck the blood through your skin 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.280 like they suck so hard. I think we can all 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:06.240 relate that that the blood just like comes out through 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:12.280 the layers of your dermiss. That's so fascinating. I wonder 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.640 if the teeth actually keep you from noticing them, because 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.440 obviously it would behoove the leech to not have you 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:24.080 noticed that for so many years because it's like clean 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.760 blood letting. Well, also with the teeth, there are these 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.880 things that you can get that are a little plastic 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.400 kind of disks and they have little points in them, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.920 and if you press them on your arm when you're 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.719 getting a shot and the shot is inserted like in 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.000 the middle, it actually takes away the pain because it 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.320 hits your pressure points. So I wonder if that might 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.000 be something that the leech teeth do. Well, they're still 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.080 called medicinal leeches, so somebody's still using them for medicine, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.880 like scientifically they're classified as that, so it can be 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.479 really hard to get a phlebotomy appointment. I'm just saying 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.080 a brief moment. We have talked a lot about the 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.600 specifics of having blood drawn and how we'd all like 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.719 to have our blood drawn in different ways from each other, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:10.720 some of us at home, others in a medical setting. Yes. Um, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.360 but I just would like to take a side quest 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.200 to complain about the mosquitoes that we have Los Angeles. Now. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.119 It's amazing. I left Los Angeles for almost five years 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.160 and when I came back there were mosquitos. Yeah, it's 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.440 a new development, it is. Yeah, and they're this horrible 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.240 kind that brings the West Nile virus and other you 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.280 talk about the eighties. Yeah, they're called a E. D 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:38.720 E S, which means like annoying. Yeah. And there's zebra mosquitoes. Yeah, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.680 they're scariest things. I had never seen one in l 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.839 A but I saw one in Louisiana and I was 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.440 like you just so when you see a creature you've 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.039 never seen before, you just are like, oh, no, I 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.719 have no context for this. So let's freaked me out. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.359 Because I had seen them in New Orleans and I 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.080 was like, oh cool, we live in a swampy climate 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.000 now with lots of mosquitoes bite you. They're called ankle 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.680 bitter mosquitoes. Yeah, yeah, which they definitely are to me. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.680 It's very humid here and we do have the mosquitoes. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.520 I don't mind the mosquitoes as much as I mind 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.760 the ants. Still, um. This morning, I had another kitchen 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.640 ant issue, and mine seemed to be immune to all 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.440 kinds of like ant repellents and the dusty earth stuff 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.120 that dry out. Would you rather have to deal with 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.280 like a million tiny things or one giant thing? Oh, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.080 one giant thing? It is too vague, need more info? 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:36.760 You mean people, what's how giant tiny ants? Or like 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.640 the ant from Honey, a giant cockroach? I mean I 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.680 feel like that's the like, I would rather have ants 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.680 to deal with than cockroaches. But but I also would 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.280 rather have I think what I'm thinking in this more abstractly, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.599 I'd rather have a large thing. I don't know i'd have. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:53.800 I'd rather deal with one large thing, unless it were 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.040 larger than me, in which case it would rather deal 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.520 with small things. Yeah, I mean, like, would you rather 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.360 have ants or like an elephant that wanted to kill you. Yeah, 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.240 but what if it's like the choice is like a cockroach, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.560 an elephant sized cockroach, or like bugs that are too 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.360 small to see? Well, how many bugs they're too small 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.000 to see? You don't have enough information? Make your pitch? 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.960 I I guess in that situational word problem problem, it's 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.920 a psychological new math. If you have an answer to 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.680 this question, won't you please give us a call it 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.000 to four oh four six night or you can email 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.320 us at night called podcast at gmail dot com. Again, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:37.080 the question is would you rather battle at cockroach unimaginably 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:42.560 huge proportions no limit cockroach or a multitude but not specifically, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.440 how many of very small and swarms? For a coastal question, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:51.000 it is a b coastal question. Well, another bicoastal question. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.800 Also speaking of bloodsuckers, UM, I have recommended reading this 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.240 week UM from the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago. Uh, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.480 there is a pretty good it and oppressing an article 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:06.120 about Silicon Valley's relationship with SLYN by Andrew Morantz. UM. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.520 I think it was in the August twenty six issue UM, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.480 but it is online and we'll link to it on 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.800 our notes. UM. I just it was such a I 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.640 don't did you guys get a chance to read this? Okay, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.640 So it's kind of about how this like zig zagging 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:25.320 relationship that that slyn this this retreat in northern California. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.520 It's like what three hours from San Francisco. It's around 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.040 Big sir Yeah, around Big Sir. Um. It's always been 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:36.360 the sort of like influencer hub, even before there were influencers, 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.680 and now you know, recently, it's been a place for 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.360 all these Silicon Valley people who feel guilty about the 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.640 hell world that they have made, um coming to get 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.400 in hot tubs and sweat away their um conscience. Like 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.240 I didn't even know if they feel guilty. Oh they do, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.000 they do, but they don't feel guilty enough to do 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.839 anything like very helpful. Very It's all very strack to them. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.080 That's like all that stuff. That's like the Steve Jobs 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.760 thing of like you stop taking mushrooms to like have 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.200 a experience and get it out of your ego, and 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.040 you start taking them to like come up with product ideas. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.360 So it's a lot of like hippie themed things, completely 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.240 divorced of all context and meaning. I mean, I think 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.600 I think that so a lot of the things that 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.560 they do that they have these big detox retreats, and 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.200 so the journalists went on one of these retreats, and 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.560 a lot of it is just this sort of verbiage 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.400 about um plugging and having like a more conscious relationship 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.480 to tech and trying to pass it onto your users 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.599 and everything. And it's also just like reminds me of 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.520 like completely separate issue which is like kind of the 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.160 class stratification of screen time now, which I feel like 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.680 we've talked about on this podcast, but just that now 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.520 the idea of like keeping your kid away from screens, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.600 especially with kids, I think has become this really like 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.079 class in this class you think it's the new like 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.600 my kid doesn't watch TV? Yeah, totally. I think that's 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.840 becoming a thing. And I think that, um, I think 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.480 that a lot of families that are like especially famous, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.200 who can't afford childcare all the time, are more likely 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.559 to just like you know, sit their kids in front 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.560 of the iPad or whatever. Well, to be fair, doctors 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.320 do say you shouldn't let them have a lot of 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.920 screen time, right, Yes, oh yeah, I think it's totally accurate. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.240 But it's like it's like that idea is like reaching 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.120 one part of the population and not the other. And 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.040 I think that there's like I think that like UM 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.320 is sort of bearing out. I think the thing with 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.560 screen time is it's like the downsides are so hard 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.319 to explain. Well. I think a lot of the issues 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.320 in terms of parenting and screen time is that I 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.680 think it's an almost impossible thing to achieve to have 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.920 your kids completely not have access to screens. Especially I mean, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.480 once your kids are in school, most public schools and 0:10:54.559 --> 0:11:00.280 charter schools have screens. Their homework is done on screens obviously. UM. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.640 I think you know, usually with pediatrics they tell you 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.760 to avoid all screens before three. But that's also impossible 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.600 if you have multiple children, unless you're able to like 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.839 have separate wings of your house. UM. So it's kind 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.240 of just this impossible thing. And I think that's also 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.480 discussed in the New York or article. UM. They are 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.480 encouraged to call work W because you're not supposed to 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.080 talk about work W talk my W is this and 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.640 it's like it's very discouraged talking about work. But I 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.240 mean it's kind of this we're in this world with 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.960 these two extremes. It's really hard to moderate screen time. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.640 I think that's kind of why people tell parents to 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.400 completely deprive their kids of screen time, because they figure 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.959 it'll at least cut down on it. Um. But yeah, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.640 it is a it's a totally it's an economic issue 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.640 for sure. I mean it's not just having childcare, but 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.040 it's having the kind of childcare that's like the Montessori 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.600 ody crunchy childcare, and it's you know, I don't think 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.600 it's practical, but I definitely think there's too much. I mean, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.400 I guess the idea, like from this article that the 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.920 thing that on the surface, just on on optics level, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:12.079 the idea of these like tech billionaires going to this 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:17.160 extremely expensive retreat to not be on their phones, like 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.479 not being on your phone and like you know, unplugging 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.520 from time to time or trying to reconsider your and 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.280 this is like for people who are the very top 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.680 of this industry, Like that is all now like a 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:32.000 luxury item. So this is all like goop stuff. Well yeah, yeah, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.000 I mean it's all a part of it. So like 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.199 that was the thing too. Like when Jack Dorsey from 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.560 Twitter went on that fast, everybody was like, if you 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.280 were a woman, this would just be called like an 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.640 eating disorder, Like you're just depriving yourself of nutrition and 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.480 your brain is gonna like overheat and maybe some weird 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.360 stuff will happen, but that doesn't mean it's like good 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.040 for you. Also, the silliest thing in this article is 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.600 that it is people going to unplug. And also there's 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.440 no cell service, so even if you wanted to plug in, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.400 you couldn't. But all they do is talk about unplugging. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.960 They seemed unable to resume any kind of like normal 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.160 pattern that you might recognize from the olden days. Yeah, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.640 everybody is there for work. That's the funny thing about 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.080 no W talk is that everybody is there because of 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.079 their work. So it's like, but don't talk about it. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.560 It's just like not it's like blinding yourself to this 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.800 elephant in the room instead of like I don't know, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.360 having like a really constructive conversation. I feel like even 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.680 when was like originally founded, it had a reputation for 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.440 being silly. Yes, it was all like unplugged from what 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:37.600 existed then to unplug from, which was like TV. I guess, yeah, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.439 have you guys? You guys have never been No, I 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.520 want to go so bad? Are I? Almost went to Aslin. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.640 Just take back everything that we just said about us s. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.600 When I was I was on my honeymoon in Big 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.400 sur and there was this thing of should we go 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.120 to Aslin? But I was too afraid. I never knew, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.920 and I was too afraid. Yeah, so I didn't. I'm 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.200 I never knew, but I felt intimidated by the prospect. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.360 And also the sulfur smell is referenced a lot in 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.240 terms of the hot springs at Eslen, and I was 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.120 I was unsure if I would like it, said it 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.840 smelled like lavender and boiled eggs. That's not my jam, 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.240 It's not my thing. I'm afraid of hot springs ever 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:22.240 since that person got melted in Yellowstone pardon me, Oh, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.080 they got in a guy because I thought it was 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.360 a hot melted their body. Yeah. Yeah, Ike's definitely talked 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.520 about on this podcast. It's, you know what, all the 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.120 horrors went together after a while. I have my own 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.240 favorites that always flowed to the top. So we wanted 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.760 to take an email that we got at the time 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.000 of recording. Right now, still still shaking off the time 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.080 warp here. We did a podcast about Midsummer which we 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.000 recorded shortly after Midsummer came out and in the interim 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.640 time the Midsummer Director's cut, which I think clocks in 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.160 at something like four hours. Um, way to go, our yester, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.160 Uh big fans here that has come out. I have 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.360 not seen it yet. I really want to see it. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.760 But we got a call or an email rather from 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.880 christ and Seattle who says, hey, welcome back night call missed. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.400 You went and saw the director's cut of Midsummer over 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.600 the weekend, and the white supremacy stuff is for sure validated. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.040 Early on there's a swastika on a Nazi book of runs. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.120 Josh is reading Love Talking Midsummer and wanted you to 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.560 know in case you haven't seen the extended cut. Um, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.400 so you got y'all. Y'all are validated. I mean, I 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.360 just like no, but this was like Marshall McLuhan coming 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.040 out from behind the pole, right, Molly knows everything. Um 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.640 feels good, thank you, Chris feels good. Yeah, And um, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.640 our other our other friend Oscar sent uh something about 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.600 how there's also a banner that appears in the movie 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.560 I think in the original cut too. That is, it's 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.040 like one of those like over the Road type years 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.680 that says like stop people coming from the immigrants. So 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.920 I think the subtexts was real. Yeah, I mean yeah, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.280 it's ah. I can't wait to see that movie again. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.760 I want to tell everybody to follow the Brandy with 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.520 an eye. On Twitter, she did a really good thread 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.360 about going to the Minnesota State Fair a hundred times 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.040 and then she was like, oh, what, you could just 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.080 set midsummer at the Minnesota State that makes sense. She 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.440 was like, you put somebody inside a butter cow at 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:19.760 the end, what she was just taking an Iowa original 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.560 being inside of a butter sculpture, of not being inside 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.880 but the butter sculpture butter sculptures. I think I'm down. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.920 And there were a lot of like scary uh scarecrows 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.240 done into celebrities. There was like a Felicity Huffman college 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.840 admission scandal scarecrow that was terrifying. That kind of stuff 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.920 gives me such bad I also watched Children in the 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.360 Corn for the first time. Never see that. That's that's wild, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.120 It's so good. I saw that movie so early, like 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.400 way before, and I was one of those kids who 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.680 didn't have a lot of screen time. Guys, so you 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.840 saw but this is weird. I'm saying it's weird though, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.000 because usually I'm not the person who's seen this stuff 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.320 as a kid, But for whatever reason, I saw Children 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:05.600 of the Cord when I was like eight or something. Yeah, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.040 it's so good and it's very midsummery. Yeah, no, totally, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.840 and the original story is even more midsummer I guess 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.879 the movie is a little happy ending Earth on the original. Yeah. Well, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.800 we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.480 we're going to talk about the conspiracy that is on 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:34.159 all of hard vides right now, let's not lie. Welcome 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.399 back to Night Call, and now the moment you've all 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.359 been waiting for. We're going to talk about some alleged 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:45.639 allegations that are alleged pill me. We're gonna uppel everybody. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.480 Molly is going to take the lead on this, because 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.600 if anyone follows Molly on Twitter, they know that Molly 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.400 all the time. Now about the Epstein scandal. I bet 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.920 I just posted about other things too. No, but you 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.680 have a lot to say about Epstein. It's fascinating, It 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:05.280 is super fascinating. It's fascinating because it has like tentacles 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.960 that go into everything and uh, there's so many stories 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.359 keep coming out that are so insane, and it all 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.639 happened in front of everybody. That's a crazy pocket. So 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.480 I went on a deep dive the other day. This 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.600 is maybe what you're talking about in the Getty Images 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.240 where I looked up her name is. We still don't 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.800 know how to say it. We're calling her Jis Lane 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:32.200 Delane Gillen, G M. Maxwell. Yeah, a lady, an evil lady. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.480 She was all over Getty Images because she was a socialite. 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:44.000 In addition to being a fixer, whatever PM whatever else 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:49.160 criminal activity she was allegedly doing all alleged trafficker, alleged 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:55.280 underage trafficker of underage girls. She was also like hosting 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:01.920 things in her penthouse, her skip weird nineties weird town house. Although, 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.800 as I was saying, like I was looking for these pictures, 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:06.560 I was trying to find other pictures of her townhouse 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.920 because there's one picture that appeared in her townhouse that 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.840 actually was too creeped me out too much, um, which 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.520 was the picture of there's like a double mask on 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:20.040 the wall, um and it's it's just in a totally 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.639 innocuous party photo. She held a party at her house 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.920 with I think Dom Perignon, and so it's just party 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.800 pictures from that party, and then in the background of 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.840 a bartender, it's like atmosphere. Those are what they call 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.240 the photos that are just of random stuff at a party, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.320 and it's just a guy pouring a drink under this 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.440 like terrifying Satan mask on the wall. And then people 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.000 in my comments are like, hey, look at the print 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.400 on the cloak under the mask. There's this symbol all 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.960 over it that everybody knows is the internationally recognized symbol 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:58.879 for pedophiles looking for children. And then what is the symbol? 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.680 It is a my angle with a spiral inside and 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.360 it is printed all over this thing, and it does 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.520 look like a mask that comes down off the wall 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.280 and like has eye holes, you know. But I couldn't 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.040 find out anything else about it, and people were sending 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.320 me screenshots of something that they claim come from because 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.720 again I can't, I don't. This is when I started 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.320 to feel like I was losing my mind. Uh, they 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.320 were sending me screenshots something from wiki leaks that alleges 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.280 that these are like the international symbols that pedophiles you 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.200 use to attract each other, or and there's one that's 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.840 like for girls people looking for girls. That's like a 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.639 butterfly with a heart inside. That stuff always kind of 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.960 tips off my bullshit radar. I have to say the 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.160 secret syml stuff because it just feels like satanic panic. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.160 It does, except then the symbol was all over the thing, 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.440 and I was like, well, what does it mean? Doing 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:54.640 a bit? They're like you guys right, also like I'm 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.200 not going to look that up because then it's in 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.080 my search history. I'm not going to search like, what 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.000 are the symbols that pedophiles you? You can't believe you 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.040 don't have tor yet. I mean even if I did, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.000 I don't think I would want that in my browser. Um, 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.040 the whole thing. I mean, when you go on a 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:15.040 deep dive about miss Maxwell, it starts to get it. 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:16.879 You start to feel like you're playing with fire a 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:18.760 little bit. What break our brains about this is that 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.080 crazy days and nights just posting about it constantly. Um, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.320 for years they were posting about there's this billionaire pedophile 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.560 and he has a plane and he takes people to 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.359 his private island, and all sounded so far fetched, and 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.359 he was kind of doing it in the context of 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.159 like this is going to come out soon, which is 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.760 like and and the thing is with Crazy Days and Nights, 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.040 he had all of the Weinstein stuff on there and like, 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.000 but all that stuff was where I think we were like, oh, 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.280 Crazy Days and Nights is going total cuan on. Like 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.520 it turned because I was like, oh, they're implicating the 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.639 Clinton Foundation. And then I was like, oh, the Clinton 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.440 Foundation is implicated. Like all of this stuff was real. 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.879 But what is crazy is when you do start tweeting 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.560 about it, you get people from every side, and those 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:07.200 sides are that like, Liberals think that Trump is totally responsible. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.119 Trump people think that the Clintons are totally responsible, and 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:15.840 Europeans think it's all Prince Andrew and whoever is the closest, 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.360 they all have this thing. What is also so weird 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.399 because because I was like, maybe this will make the 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.159 Q and on people come to this realization of like 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.560 the Illuminati is just that people with money can buy 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.159 their way out of crime. But the Q and on 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.159 is like the crazy The craziest thing about Q and 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.400 on now is that they have like done mental gymnastics 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.800 to make Donald Trump the hero of the story. That's 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.040 the thing is this doesn't compute with their story. So 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.600 I don't understand how they're not like, oh, Trump is 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.840 in on it, everybody's in on it, because that is 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.960 what is it turns out true. Allegedly across the aisle, 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.760 this guy blackmailed all kinds of creepy dudes into doing 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:59.520 things that are illegal and then supposedly videotaped it. I 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.800 think on a broader note, we were talking about this yesterday. Uh, 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:05.880 I think we haven't really talked about this Epstein stuff 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.159 at all because it happened while we were away, and 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.920 I think on a on abroad like not alleging anything 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.280 type level, I have just been kind of I felt 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.920 a little bit stupid for how much I kind of 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.760 didn't like discounted any of this stuff going on. Like 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.280 I was talking about the Lynn Ramsey movie You Were 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:30.119 Never Really Here, which came out I think it was 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.800 a canon. Uh maybe came out in theaters the next year, 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.720 but so it's like a little it's it's been a 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.119 while since it came out, and I, you know, I 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.680 love her as a director, and I read the novella 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.199 by Jonathan Names because I was like going to interview her. 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.200 So I was just like doing research on it and 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.680 it was like the whole thing just it just made 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.080 me feel so achy and it was just like it 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:56.479 felt like such a weird Brooklyn guy. I eat Jonathan 0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:01.800 Eames fantasy about like being the vigilante who rescues all 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:03.960 the young girls from the pedophiles. That definitely it just 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.960 felt like souper. And this was all post Pizza Gate 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.440 that I read. This book was written before that, but 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.239 it's still had this thing of like, oh, yeah, all 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:12.920 the girls are getting raped and we all have to 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.480 like solve the only one tough guy in Brooklyn can 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.680 crack the case. But like the movie, which is like 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.440 very well directed, still not my favorite movie of hers, 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.600 but like has and it has like a very extreme 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.160 Walking Phoenix performance in it. Um is there any other kind? Yeah, 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.160 there's no other kind. Take a moment to talk about 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.119 Derga Cubos theory just just I just want to finish 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.639 this real quick. But like, um, but the movie like 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:41.200 depicts Walking Phoenix's character basically Stormy like a one man 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.879 like operation to go storm this pedophile mansion. There's and 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.600 there's one in Manhattan, like an Upper east Side one, 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.879 and then there's like a big estate somewhere and he 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:52.960 goes into because he has to rescue this girl from it, 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:57.080 and it's like it's like like aesthetically, it all feels 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:58.920 like pretty note for a note from what we've like 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.560 now would have been reported. So does I watched HUT? Yeah? 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.160 I mean, well I watched HUT hasn't been reported yet, 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.680 but I'm saying, like the like Little Saint James and 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.280 all that stuff like that all feels like just ripped 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.480 from this book. And maybe I'm just creeped out by 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.080 any rich person New York apartment where I'm like, wow, 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.280 this costs so much money and yet still feels so 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.200 claustrophobic and like busy wallpaper. Because the ones I looked 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.000 at other than just leans, I was like, these all 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.360 looked just as haunted to me as the one where 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.080 horrible things happened. Well also, I mean going back to 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.720 what Emily was saying when I haven't seen it yet, 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.560 but it reminded me of you know in that was 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.200 also during a time when there were a lot of 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:42.359 local panics about human trafficking that turned out to be false. 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.000 Like there was this one out here in Ikea that 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.840 made a bunch of like regional news where yeah, people 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.840 would become really paranoid in public spaces that there were 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:57.199 men following them, watching them, and these people immediately assumed 0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.720 that they were human traffickers, and and it was later 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.959 kind of like pooh pooed by realistic people. And then 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:05.920 these people would be like, well, you're just ignoring the 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.840 reality of human trafficking. And I always thought it seemed 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:13.840 so ridiculous, and then the Epstein thing happened, and it's 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:17.080 all human trafficking. And then like all of these people 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.000 tend to be such hypocrites about legalizing sex work, which 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.560 would be like the way that would actually help stop trafficking. 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.480 They're like, no, we have to ban ale sex work 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:27.359 because it will lead to trafficking. And then it's like, 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:31.560 well that's how things like this are able to happen. Yeah, yeah, 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.920 the whole like the trafficking thing again, Like this is 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.280 why all of my skepticism was up for this thing, 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.159 like or anything like it up until this is that 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:40.879 like I don't know, I feel like anytime I'm like 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:42.440 a hotel late at night and I just turned on 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.360 the TV and it's like some late nine night news 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.159 thing or like sixteen minutes or something, it's always some 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:50.119 like deep report on like human trafficking. It's happening in 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.800 your name exactly. There's so much scaremongering and there's so 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.760 much it's it's like the most fetishized like kind of crime. 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:57.719 And it always feels so gross to me, how much 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:02.080 its sensationalized, And I think like disproportionately. Maybe it's like, yeah, 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:04.720 I mean, maybe it's good to be a little naive 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.119 about the exploitation of like teenage girls, because otherwise you 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.480 just want to like blow everything up all the time. 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.399 It was truly a lot of evidence that was also 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:18.000 disturbing to read and also so tragic and horrible, terrible 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.879 stuff to read. Horrible. But on on a tangent to 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:25.160 that we all looked at I believe the bridget read 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:29.440 cut article on I just I just hate saying jis Lane? 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.359 Is it gis Lane? Jis Lane. I don't think you 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.000 said the s. I think it's is silent. All right. 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.520 Let's call her delane Um Jolne. Maxwell's twin sisters have 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.760 their own wild stories. They are indeed some wild stories. 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.440 If you have not yet dunked a foot into the 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.920 Lane story is honestly like the tip of the Iceberg 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.560 for the weirdness of this story that encompasses everything weird 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.920 about world history. Um. And then I think also this 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.040 made me be like there might be other things like this. 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.160 If this is one that we know about now, who 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.359 knows what else is going on. That's why they have 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:10.480 a conspiracy podcast. Guys. Still in some way like it's 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.440 like it's good that you take the rock off and 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.960 all the bugs come out, and then you have to 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.280 deal with it. Like there's so many people trying to 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.960 make this story go away or end or be like, wow, 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:25.880 he's dead now it's over. Suicide is tragic suicide, so sad, 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.399 it's definitely a suicide. Yeah, this issue comes home to 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:34.080 roost every day. But it's yeah, I mean, it's like 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.280 it doesn't end. There's new stuff constantly. It's going to 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.360 keep going. People are going to ask everybody involved about 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.080 it for the rest of their lives about it, and 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:47.520 they should. Um. But there was the story that about 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.840 the sisters was crazy because it's about how the father, 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.480 Robert Maxwell, who was this crazy like citizen Kane type figure, 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.320 evil right wing guy, his whole family was killed in 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.880 the Holocaust, so then he tried to replicate it by 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.400 having six children because he was like, all his siblings 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.320 died except for him, so he was like, I will 0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:10.080 recreate my dead family through my family. Uh. And so 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.760 there were twins in addition to Jolne, and one of 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.280 the twins married uh I believe his name is Robert 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.160 Melina Roger Malina, the son of Frank Molina, who was 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.760 one of the original jet Propulsion lab guys, who was 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.960 part of the Jack Parsons thing, the whole uh douvil 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.800 worship kind of sex called early rocket tree stuff, which 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.480 again it made me think about that stuff and be like, 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.360 oh yeah, there was a lot of like let's do 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.840 some rituals and have some weird sex and see if 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.480 it helps us get good at rockets going on? Then 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.240 why would we be surprised that all these rockets in 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.920 front all these tech people. Well like then this is 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.959 like what we talked about with Midsummer is like, as 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:54.120 soon as you start going into esoterica, there's no coming back. 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.240 And for whatever reason, all these like tech people and 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.880 rich people, they reached this impass where it's like I 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:04.200 can buy everything. But wait, what about The other twin Isabelle, 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:10.120 who whose third husband Al Seckel was an optical illusionist 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.760 who was hanging out benign but he was a scam artist. 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.920 And then he he had a scientific conference on Epstein's island. Um, 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.480 and I think he rumored to have fallen off a 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.640 cliff near his home, just like Jolene's father was rumored 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.840 to be maybe pushed off the boat. Yes, I think 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.360 it just yeah, once you start thinking about it just 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.280 makes you be like, oh, did rip torn really die? 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.640 What is real hiding out to come back? Yeah? What 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.560 is reel? Molly? What are your favorite Um, you don't 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.640 have to necessarily endorse them, but like what's your favorite 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:56.040 current theory around the Epstein case? Um, Like, maybe just 0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.760 do one for flavor. I'm kind of think of what 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.640 was like the craziest one I heard that he hadn't 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.360 heard and the double one they replaced his body with 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:13.040 Anthony Bourdain. That was one of the rumors. It's not real. 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.360 That's the thing. You follow this go down the rabbit 0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:18.400 hole and you start to be like, well, this crazy 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.000 thing is true, and it makes you understand how people 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.240 turn into que and on people or get red pilled 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.640 because it's like normal, like crazy thing, that's true. Crazy 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.880 thing that's true. Crazy, thing that's too crazy, thing that's 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:33.800 not true, isn't less crazy than any of these other things. 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.480 And plausible deniability is how these people get away with it. 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.640 And like class issues, like people trusting that the rich 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:45.720 or not having pedophile islands. Never never trust that for 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.280 a second. But again, it just needs to be like 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.600 I guess I wasn't as world weary as a thought 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.520 because I didn't know about this. Uh, you don't have 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.160 the imagination and creativity of like a rich per I mean, 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.120 I think it's also really disappointed, but maybe not super 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.560 surprising to see how many dudes got taken in by 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.840 this guy, you know. Especially it's like he's he's a 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.000 fustrating of scientific community, right because that was after he 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.760 got busted for being a pedophile. He came back and 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:15.280 was like, I'm going to give all this money to 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.840 M I. T And Harvard and all these science foundations 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.040 to figure out how to live forever, and like put 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.000 my egg dick on ice so it can be brought 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.920 back in the future to prize other people. He's like 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.960 only preserving his brain and his weird shaped dick. You 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.160 know what. I love though I keep saying this but 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.080 like it brings me no end of happiness. That like, 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.440 these guys can buy anything but a bigger dick. Well 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.040 the egg ship, Well, I don't know how to do 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.040 if you want to go into but I'm just saying 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.440 like like that clearly has so much to do with 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.160 why I mean not that sounds like enlargement, gonna ry 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.120 it whatever it is, it couldn't be fixed. He was 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.160 never going to get what he wanted, so he had 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:57.600 to do all these illegal, evil, sociopathic things. Some people 0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:04.240 just shouldn't be given power. Agreed. Yeah, well, nobody should 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.560 have an island. That's true. Nobody should have an island. 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.760 And that's the official Nightcall stance. Correct left us, Well, 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.320 maybe I don't think we could have a peninsula. That's 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.560 you know, I actually feel like a peninsula has a 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.560 much better an inlet cape. Yeah, an inlet. An inlet 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.280 is actually more our speed. I would do an inlet. 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.520 That's what we want. We're like murder, she wrote. I 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.000 like places you can only reach by boat, like like 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.720 where there's an inlet surrounded by high cliffs, so you 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:31.360 can only get their own I'm a little scared of 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.640 boats now, I'm a little scared of boats. And also 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.200 my whole deal is I need to be able to 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.040 walk to a grocery store. So I'm just letting you 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.080 go to work because it's just it's a requirement. Um, 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.360 I think we should take a really brief nightcall. Which 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.520 is kind of a comment. This one comes to us 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:50.400 from Bata. I'm cutting this down, but basically this is 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.360 this is the important part, and this is directed to Molly. 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.640 I figured I should write in with my contention that 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.360 Molly's celebrity doppelganger, or like the older relative who everyone 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.280 always calm and looked just like you when she was younger, 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:08.520 is the princess of Morocco, Princess La la Palma. This 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.799 is the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. Are 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.920 you looking at Lalla Salma? Yeah? I looked her. I 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.520 looked at her far and I was so flattered I 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.840 almost I meant to do this. Um. There was an 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.600 Instagram ad that was served to me for jeans, and 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.400 the model of them did look like a dompole gamer 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.280 for you, you have a lot of doppel game and told. 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.920 It's also weird though, when somebody is like they were 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:34.600 just like you and you're like, what does that mean? 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:41.760 This isn'ertain. She's she's very glamorous. She's of Morocco. Definitely 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.880 has your eyes. I mean, I just I'm going to 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.400 do a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's cord? Is that 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.120 the one? Or is the Prince and the pauper? Where 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.560 do you switch places? That one? Though? This is my 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:57.120 homemark movie. You're a Moroccan prince, Christmas prince, and maybe 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:02.680 a Moroccan princess who finds love. Um, well, we're gonna 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.640 take a break real quick and then we're going to 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:16.759 move on to something slightly lighter than Jahrey Epstein. All Right, 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.560 so we're back. Um. Also in the interim, since we 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.800 have last been with you, Laona del Ray released a 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:27.800 new album. Uh, one other person in this room is 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:33.680 excited about I'm excited. Um. Laona del Ray is like 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:37.120 a classic night called Divider. I feel like or like 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.759 a to one divider. I have a lot of two one. 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.279 I'm super allergic to Launa del Ray. I won't go 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:44.840 I I take no pleasure in not liking her. I 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.680 want to give her all the credit that you guys do, 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.920 but I feel like she's not She's not what she 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.840 gets credit for being That's all I'll say. She is, 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:00.399 I guess our cat power now, which is so cat 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.640 power we still have cat power. But I mean like 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:04.920 she's like, I feel like I also got in a 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.480 fight with somebody because they were like, hey, it's fine, 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:09.440 I don't like Lana. I like cat power, and I 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.200 was like, I mean it's not also if they like 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.920 each other, so it's fine. Um. Anyway, she released an 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:21.120 album called Norman Fucking Rockwell iconic title for an iconic album. 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.800 Um but, and I'm a huge fan of it. I 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:26.880 loved it. I listened to it all the time in 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:29.200 the car. Now it's like great because last time I 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.440 lived in l a Ultra Violence had come out that 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.160 summer and I just spent I remember spending my last 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.720 summer out here just driving around listening to Ultra Violence 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.239 all the time. And now I'm back and now I 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.000 have a new lawna album listened to in the car, 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.319 great driving music. Um but, Lana got into a little 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.440 bit of a fight with a critic, which is I 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:51.239 guess what all of the pop artists are doing this year. Um. 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.160 She got in a fight though with like the the 0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.480 music critic, like of all the music critics to who 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:05.040 wrote a really at all that I would say positive review. Yeah, 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:09.759 a very clear eyed and like very engaged review by 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:14.160 empowers um at MPR, which will definitely link to if 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:15.759 you haven't read it by now, even though it is 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.680 very controversial at this point. Um Yeah, I mean, I 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.440 love the review was incredible, and it was and I 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:23.239 was reading it, you know, knowing that this thing had 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.399 happened where she had called I wanted called Empowers out, 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.640 But I was also thinking, like, man, five years ago, 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.440 would you have a review of this like depth and 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.399 quality about Allana del Rey record. I don't. I don't 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.839 think so, like not like this is Like I think 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.399 what's difficult for people to understand is there's like two 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.839 things that happened. Like first, there was a shift where 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:47.960 finally people would take female artists and pop artists seriously 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.520 in the mainstream the way they consider indie rock and 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.800 wrap and all that stuff. And that took forever, and 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:55.560 I feel like dudes maybe don't know about it as 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.520 much because they didn't have to push for those reviews 0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.479 all the time and be told like that doesn't matter. 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.600 That's not on the same plane as like Kanye which 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.399 is not true. So she puts Kanye in this place 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.440 on this record, So that happened. And then there's this 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.359 other thing that's happened, which is that musicians keep using 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.840 Twitter specifically to get people fired from critic positions that 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.120 they disagree with reviews of. And I think once people 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.520 realized they could do that, they started doing it, even 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:26.439 though it makes me think it makes anybody anybody even fired? Well, 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.000 I oh, yeah, no, I know of the one, but 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.520 I feel like the big ones from this year, like 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.640 the Lizzo one and the Ariana Grande thing, I don't 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.760 think those people got fired. Didn't Nicki Minaj get somebody 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.480 fired for about review? I don't know, and I know 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.760 what you're talking about. I think so. Also yeah, speaking 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:44.920 from personal experience, no, I mean people, there are a 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:48.839 lot that have not been reported that that super sucks. Um. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:54.440 The thing about the this Lana clapback, I hate to 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.200 use that word um she I mean she basically took 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:03.719 issue with and power is writing about her career from 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:05.840 like kind of through the lens of like a like 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.880 personas that that Lana has adopted and moved in and 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.919 out of, which I think is like fair as many people, 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.760 and her mentions were saying her name is not actually 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.760 Lana Delfrey. That is a name she made up because 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.720 it's like her artist persona. She's went through many before 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.359 that before becoming famous, like she is a person who 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.640 uses personas. But I did find and because I was, 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:34.400 I generally get very um upset when I see artists 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.120 doing this kind of thing. But I did note that 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.279 in all of the things, Like Lana's very harsh in 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:43.480 her response, but she did not say funk all critics 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.680 or like you shouldn't have your job, but nobody says 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:52.920 I too, didn't know. I hon to say, like I 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.160 can't wait for you to be lit, and when people 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.600 will say like you shouldn't have like critics shouldn't be 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.520 an occupation, Like if you're an artist, you should know 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.080 how to make a record before you can critique an album, 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.480 which is just I guess you're right, yeah yeah, um. 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.640 None of that was called into question in Lana's response, 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.640 So that's something. But it's still like it's weird because 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.239 it keeps being people who are like otherwise doing well, 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.840 Like I understand why like Azalea Banks comes for Lizzo 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.480 because it gets her pressed and she's mad that she 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.839 blew it herself, you know, but like, I don't get 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:25.879 why Lizzo comes to a critic because Lizzo is having 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:30.239 like yeah, and I have agreed with other things, like 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.040 when she was like, you know, why do people treat 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.040 me like a singer instead of a rapper? Like if 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.760 Swaylie and post Malona rappers and like I'm a rapper, 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.239 which is also true, and people were like, why is 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.800 she coming for Swayli and that one. I was like, no, 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:46.719 she has a point, like yeah, I guess, uh well, 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:48.279 I mean for me, it's just like it should all 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.640 be a conversation, right, Like, I don't think anybody has 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:52.920 the last word, not the artist or the critic. I 0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.520 think the real it's also because artists don't do like 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.320 really in her no, they don't do so although she 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.520 like she did some really good ones, but I think 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.640 it is weird for people to be like, oh, the 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.880 relationship does go both ways, but only sometimes. But it 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.800 wasn't one of the issues that Lana took with the 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.640 piece that um she that you know, the point was 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.360 made that she does not really have any strong positions 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:23.440 on anything, you know, like social activism, feminism, all of that, 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.759 that those things had been mentioned, and that Lana felt 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.480 as though those things should be out of bounds and 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.279 that everyone should just be very grateful that she gives 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:35.120 people whatever the words were of like the benefits of 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.320 my graciousness or something. That's sort of weird too, because 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.920 like I feel like on the last album and this one, 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.000 like she is actually like being more political than she's 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.120 ever been before in her music, in her very long 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:49.640 a way. Um and and so it's odd to me 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.520 that she like there's a whole song, I mean not 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.320 a whole song, but like half a song on this 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.200 album that's like I'm pretty sure about the whole thing 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:01.759 where she was going to perform in Israel and then 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:05.520 everybody got mad at her and then she tried to 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.240 perform in Palestine but couldn't so canceled. Both that what happened, 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.600 So it was this big like bad look thing where 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.000 she was and really like she was really playing that 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.239 card of like my gift is that I am just 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.600 an inspiration to everybody, and like tried tried to do that, 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:22.920 but everybody was just like you can't, that doesn't work well. 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.120 She also said that she had no interest in ever 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.239 discussing feminism that it bored her, and that was at 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.000 a time when that was such a fraud question that 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.960 I think everyone did resent being asked. I feel like 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.120 people should resent being asked. It doesn't everyone feel like 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.520 women are equal? I can we take it for granted. 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:44.520 I think that thing is that when someone goes so 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.200 far is to be like, actually, I don't feel like 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.560 women are equal. It gives me such pause, and then 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.160 I think of, you know, I mean it was the 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.560 Harvey Weinstein line and Coca Cola and then having that 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.399 kind of removed. I mean, she her whole. I think 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.480 it's her image. I don't think it's who she necessarily 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.080 is as an artist. It's like the window dressing that 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.480 goes along with it. I don't think is it's not clever, 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.600 it's not appealing. Her lyrics can be clever and appealing, 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.719 but a lot of how she packages herself deserves criticism. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.359 I think, yeah. And I think that's the great thing 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.879 about Anne Powers's review is that it is about how 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.640 like she is actually taking all of these anxieties that 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.000 we have right now, especially about how like men and 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.719 women relate to one another, and like not necessarily doing 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.160 the comfortable thing with them and not like not doing 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.800 like something like quote unquote empowering about it, but actually 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.440 just like sifting through all the weird contradictions and stuff 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:45.000 of that, which I think is something I've especially liked 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.759 about her music these last few albums, um or like 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.920 her lyrics these last few albums. But yeah, I mean 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.560 I think it's a little disingenuous of her to say that, 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.880 like she's not like that, she's that she's not interested 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.719 in that stuff. I think everyone just needs to not 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.279 have social media. Well, I think also just for her 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.680 specific image. Like one of the things that's good about 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.040 it is that it is so like old Hollywood, like 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:14.840 removed from the constantly interacting with your fans personally. I 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:16.800 feel like the more distance you give people, like, the 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:21.040 better that works. Yeah. Yeah, it's this album though, is 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.879 so like like low fi digital though, like even all 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.760 of her like singles covers are just like shitty selfies 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.520 she's taking. It's like critics don't know what's going on 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.640 in an artist's mind. Then, Like that's true for sure, 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.160 and like we've all been guilty of, like think peace 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.400 saying about things that are just you're really just projecting 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.920 your own feelings about like, that's all criticism is, I 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.160 think it is. You're just projecting your own feelings onto 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.719 something somebody ate. You're not necessarily saying what you think 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.440 they meant. It's what you feel when you hear it. 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.920 But if somebody wrote a think piece about me, I 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.960 would be so mad. Right if somebody was like describing 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.240 me in a way I didn't like, I would totally 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.360 read it and be mad about it. Would I tweet 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.800 about it? Probably you would tweet about it. I wouldn't 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.920 tweet about it when you wrote a nightcall like hit 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.080 piece and called us all like a bunch of dumbity. 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:18.520 But that's not what she would absolutely very good except well, 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:22.080 I'm they have and we have not tweeted, by the way, 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:26.960 and they will certainly more and as maybe they should, 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:31.719 and they should be happy for the gifts of our benefits, 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:35.800 as I think, like having been a critic and a 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:40.080 person who makes things like I think on both ends, 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:44.200 you cannot try for this like tower, like this tower 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.480 mentality of like I am projecting this down to you. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:50.160 You all take it and you shut up Swift. Yeah, 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.560 it's very that's very tailor. It's very like it's very 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.120 pre internet started, and that's just not the way things 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.480 work now. They never really worked that way, but I 0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:59.719 think now it's like more apparent than ever. But like, 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.239 and you make a thing, whether it's a film or 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.600 write a book or an album, like that is the 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.600 beginning of many conversations that you have no control over. 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.360 And now there's like controlled access with the illusion of 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.120 uncontrolled access. It's still I know that this is a 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.960 very different thing. But I was also recently very obsessed 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:22.560 with mary Anne Williamson um direct messaging Molly john Fast 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.200 mother Erica Jong to complain that she had been criticized 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.080 on Twitter. And what's funny about Marianne Williamson, who I 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.680 do not think it would at all make a good 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.879 president and I do not endorse in any way. However, wait, 0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:40.560 are you saying you love marian But I have to 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:42.799 say one thing that I really do like about her 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:47.319 social media strategy she's insane. No, is that she engages 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:51.080 in a very like passive aggressive way that that works. 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.640 And then to find out that she was being snitchy 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.959 by d m NG someone's mom, I was like, wow, 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.839 even she like she looks pretty risk change people come 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.959 at her for a lot of great shem Erica Jong 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.320 about her daughter. Yes, she was like your daughter, maybe 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.719 too young to understand how to deal with these things, 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:14.719 by the way, Molly John Fastest forty one, Well maybe 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.480 she's too young to realize how nasty it was, but 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:20.480 you know she she was criticizing me, and she was 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.800 criticizing her, saying that like you should pray for people 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.840 during a natural disas that that you can with the 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.399 power of prayer, that's her whole flags you can cure 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:36.520 cancer and age. She's so it's so offensive. No, I 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:40.520 hate her. I hate her so much. People come after 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.319 her with like these really great arguments about why she's 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.880 so wrong, and she maintains this like polish and RESPONSI 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:50.640 it's very new aging. But it made me think of, 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:54.440 you know, how easy it is to kind of keep 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:56.560 it together, like with a lot of delray. It's like 0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.200 you have to be able to if you're thing as 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.040 personas like you have to really be able to measure 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.560 the response to something like that and realize if it's 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.239 a good response or a bad response, and how to 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.560 kind of play the game. It was such a misguided 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.600 what does simplest fuck mean, oh, it's too We'll get 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.239 into it when I make you. Guys read Fear of 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:20.480 Flying for the podcast that people said crazy things to 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.400 Erica John all the time after she wrote Fear of Flying, 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.560 Oh for sure, because she I mean, she's written extensively 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.480 about her marriages and real people and everything. So I'm 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.640 sure that's kind of given people the license to to 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:35.480 retort um. But I guess that's the point that you 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.880 always have the right to respond and everyone has the 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:39.359 right to judge you for that. Do you guys see 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:43.400 about Nicki Minaj retiring. Mrs Petty, Mrs Patty, We're all 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:48.759 Mrs Petty, it's time, she'll be back. It's time. Yeah, 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.040 I mean, it's like a little I wish it wasn't 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.239 like to get married. Don't you think It's like some 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.680 people just can't have of social media because they can't resist, 0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:00.040 and that's everybody. I don't know, man, you guys, I 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:01.680 don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Having 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.000 having no screen time in the middle of my day 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.839 is like, oh, this has been a life changer. Yeah. 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.160 It's like because when you get off the boat long enough, 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:13.200 you can't I can't. It's like quit smoking, you wait 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.439 a little while, and then it's poison again. Yeah. Yeah, 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:20.560 it's like, uh, you ever see the um what's it? 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.200 The dance documentary Rise that the Crumping documentary? Yeah? Yeah, 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.080 Like they talk about like every day they meet in 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:27.800 a circle and they do their dances. But if you 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:31.480 miss one day, you won't know like what everybody's doing, 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.080 you won't understand the dance. And it's like, that's how 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:35.640 I feel. When I'm off of Twitter for a day, 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.800 I'm like, what are we talking about? Now? What's this? 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:42.320 I first joined Twitter, I was like, who cares about 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:47.320 anything anyone's saying? Uh? Or Instagram stories? I was like, 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.360 I want to see ten second updates of people's lives 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.480 because why now? And now I still don't want to, 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.120 but I still do. It's like my late night TV 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.440 or something. It's like what I look at before going 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.680 to bed, which is like not great. Well that's what 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.680 we like to talk about here on nightcall. So if 0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:04.840 you have things you like to do before going to 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.320 bed that watch Children of the Corn. Watch Children of 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:11.440 the Corn theories about the extended Children of the Corn universe. 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.520 I have a lot of questions or if you have 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:18.400 any thoughts about the new Leaches. Also, of course, just 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.040 reopping that I'd really like to hear people's thoughts on 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.560 the new leeches. Stories are crazy? Any Jeffrey Epstein conspiracies 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:28.680 we haven't yet. Don't go to the government to Night Call. 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.520 But make sure you say allegedly so that if we 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.319 play your voicemail on the air, we all cut. Let 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.719 us know to store your voice on that. 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