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I'm doing well? 38 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: How are you all? Is well? I was just sharing 39 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: my guest today that this weekend is a self care weekend, 40 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: so I am going to be relaxing and and not 41 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: doing nothing. Not doing nothing is a blessing when the 42 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: time to not do anything it is a bas exactly. 43 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: So I was sharing with my guests earlier before we 44 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: started the conversation. I was like, yo, I could not 45 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: find anybody who wanted to come on and talk about 46 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: their this topic. And I think, I was I think 47 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: you're like the four fulfilled person that I asked, And 48 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: I was like, please, God, please, why do you think that, Like, 49 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: can you can y'all not talk about certain things? Um? Well, 50 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean yes, we can't get like specific with like 51 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: cases and stuff because you know, of course we deal 52 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: with all kinds of things, so there might be like 53 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: legalities involved, like cases they have to go to court, 54 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: and you don't want information out before it's so I mean, 55 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: which if you know how to navigate, you can, Yeah, 56 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: you have the tea without giving the two Like right, 57 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna be asking about no cold 58 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: case files, like I just want to know like some 59 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: general information. So I'm yeah, you know, I mean, it's 60 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: not like you have to sign it India or nothing. 61 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: But they're like, don't be you know, just putting all 62 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: kinds of business out there because you might get an 63 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: obstruction of justice charge. Okay, And we are trying to 64 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: get no chargiest child, done, done whatsoever. I have a 65 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: law of fighting citizen, and I would like to stay 66 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: that way exactly. Okay, So before I begin, I have 67 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: to ask this question. Do you like scary Ship? It 68 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: doesn't scare me? Um, Like my ex boyfriend he's like 69 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: with super in he's super in the hard like we're 70 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: still friends or whatever, and he would always want me 71 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: to watch these hormones. I'm like, these are dumb. This 72 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: would not happen. This is not realistic clinic. Oh yeah, 73 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: I guess you feel. I was like, this isn't entertaining 74 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: for me because I'm just like, that's not how that 75 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: would happen. But okay, because I'm like, I'm because I 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: love scary Ship and I'm like psychological thrillers, like stuff 77 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: that messages in your mind, but like actually like bory 78 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: horror movies. I'm like this is silly. Like did you 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: like dexter Um that turns a good child? Yeah, dexter 80 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: was fired. I don't like how they did my guy though. 81 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Now they was this new one. I don't like how 82 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: he went out. So I was saying, in order for 83 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: you to do this job, you would have to be 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: comfortable with deaf. So when did you become so comfortable 85 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: with it? Um funny enough? Uh, like childhood, that's not 86 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: I was. I'm not. I've never been afraid of that. 87 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: And I've been interested in forensics since I was like 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: a little girl. I used to watch the X Files. 89 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: She was not only she was an agent, she was 90 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: also the forensic pathologist, like she did the alien autopsies, 91 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: and I just thought that was so cool. And then 92 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: when cs I came along, when I was in like 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: middle school, I was like, this is all so like 94 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: this is the cool school. Shame. Wait? Is forensic pathologists 95 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: the same thing as an autopsy technician that's the medical examiner. 96 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: That's their technical title, is a forensic because you can 97 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: be a clinical pathologist where you're just basically, which is 98 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: pathologist is the secutive disease. So clinically they're looking like 99 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: if you are sick but they don't know why you're sick, 100 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: then you would probably be seen by clinical pathologists to 101 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: figure out like how he was a clinical pathologist, so 102 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: he kind of figured diagnosed you with whatever weird obscure disease. 103 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: And that's the same thing with forensic pathologist. They're trying 104 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: to determine cause, the manner of death with how he 105 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: passed away. M hmm, I'm just curious. Now, do you 106 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: think the media does a good portrayal of the U 107 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: the death care industry? Um? Yes and no. Um. You 108 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: know there's this thing called the C s I effect, 109 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: which is difficult in my line of work because everybody 110 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: thinks everything solved into an minutes and they want answers 111 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: right now, where it's like months sometimes years to to 112 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: do a certain depending upon the type of case, Like 113 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: with infant cases, we do a battery of tests, not 114 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: just a physical autopsy. We're sending the brain to our 115 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: nermal pathologists to see if there was anything wrong with 116 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: the brain. We're sending the heart to our CV pathologists 117 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: to see if there was anything wrong with the heart. 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: So it's like you have to wait for all of 119 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: these reports to come together in addition to the autopsy 120 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: report to find out to get a cause of that, 121 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: not five like okay, Well on TV it's an hour 122 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: with commercial, so it's like forty five minutes and they 123 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: know how they died, how long they have been there. 124 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it's like it doesn't work like 125 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: that in real life. First of all. First of all, 126 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: most officers don't even have the resources that these TV 127 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: officers have. Like you look at see inside Miami. They 128 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: got all kinds of equipment and technology that you're like, sure, 129 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: we wish we had millions of dollars, if not billions 130 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: of dollars to get to burn every test we can 131 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: think of. And Harry, it's like most I was like, 132 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: we're most of us are state or county agencies. We 133 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: don't have we don't have those kind of resources. Because 134 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: if somebody's watching all these shows and then they think 135 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: it happens within a matter of minutes, and then something 136 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: that people and it's just a week, a just a 137 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: long weeks, I'm not I'm like, I'm sorry, but that's 138 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: just how long it's gonna take. I was like, and 139 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: you have to understand, your loved one isn't the only 140 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: person that passed away today, let alone this week, this month, 141 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: this year. So they're like thousands of people dying every 142 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: every year. So you have to fall in line somewhere. 143 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: You gotta. Unfortunately, you have to wait your turn. I know, 144 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: it's it's it's rough. It's hard because you're grieving, which 145 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: makes you think irrationally, but you just have to be patient, right, 146 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: And I didn't know. I guess I did know this 147 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: because people die every day. But the death care industry 148 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: is very lucrative when um, not on my end, but 149 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: the funeral industry, yes, they are. They are making money. 150 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: Handover that that is, that is a very lucrative industry. 151 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: Well you see why phase you were trying to open 152 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: up that damn funeral home. Yeah, like you cast it 153 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: alone or run you a copper brand let alone. You 154 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: paid for a burial plot. You're paying for the cosmetology, 155 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the property, transport of the body from wherever they passed 156 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: away to to the funeral. You paid through the nose. 157 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: So they did some good money. Do you think you 158 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: you became desensitized to death? Yes, unfortunately I was. Day 159 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: mm hmmm. I'm like, okay, right when people like you know, 160 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: my mother's my my grandfather just passed away last year, 161 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: um through to COVID complications. UM. I mean that was 162 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: of course, like that crushed me. But you know people 163 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: dining at church, You're like, oh, okay, I'm sorry for 164 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: your loss, you know. And then and then it's just 165 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: like people that every day and I see dead people 166 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: every day. Sorry, I'm just not like I feel bad. 167 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: I try to empathetic to people, but I'm like, yeah, 168 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but okay, um, next, next conversation. You know 169 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: what's so funny because I was having this conversation about 170 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: like I was so excited about having um about having 171 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: you on the show, and the person I was talking 172 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: today was like, I wanna, how often do you look 173 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: at the person as like my job opposed to oh 174 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: this was a person. Well, I try to become partment's 175 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: loss because if you look at these people is people 176 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: while you're working with them, you're you're not gonna get 177 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: anything done, Okay, I promise. Especially in my office, we 178 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: are a high volume office because we're the only Emmy's 179 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: office for the entire state. Everybody from every county, every 180 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, all over. So we might have twenty cases 181 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: a day. If I said there and break down over 182 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: all twenty, I'm not gonna get any any cases, I'm 183 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: not gonna get any work done and carrying on. Mm hmmm. 184 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: So what does an autoxy technician do? It all depends 185 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: each agency is different. In my office, we're kind of 186 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: a full service, so literally from pulling the cases out 187 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: in the morning out of the refrigerator to doing the radiology. 188 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: So we are fortunate enough to have an X ray 189 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: machine as well as a CT state in our too 190 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: scan cases on an as needed basis. We perform ghost 191 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: tasks as well as we also do the photography of 192 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: the deceased for UM like documenting injuries and as well 193 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: as like I d photos, so if a person needs 194 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: to be identified and their families like looking for them, 195 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: we can drow them a photo m M of the 196 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: deceased as well as cleaning them, undressing them, cleaning them up, 197 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: as well as performing the actual desperation of the autopsy, 198 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: which is the autopsy. So that why incision we've seen 199 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: in movies and television m HM, so so good. And 200 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: what type of education do you need to become one 201 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: UM in my office? You just need a high school diploma. 202 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: You learned everything on the job. People do you have 203 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: bachelor's degrees um and a science and some people do 204 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: have mortuary science degrees as well, But but you just 205 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: need to be atheen with a high school diploma. Oh, 206 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: I would think that you would need more or could 207 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: you learn? I learned everything at work? Everything? Oh wow, 208 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: how was their experience just like just learning everything at work, 209 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: like being hands on. It was it was really cool. 210 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: It was very cool. It's very you know, I'm trying 211 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: to it was. It was overwhelming, but it was. It 212 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: was good. It was cool being able to get hands 213 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:34,239 Speaker 1: on and not just see or basically get completely perspective 214 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: change from what you've seen on what I've seen on 215 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: television as opposed to and then physically doing it myself. Yeah. 216 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: So I I was gonna say, was you afraid of 217 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: hurting them? But I mean no, Like, honestly, when people 218 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: first started there, like very timid myself included, You're like 219 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: very You're afraid you're gonna like mess something up, cut 220 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: something you're not supposed to. So you're like people like 221 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: they're dead. You like you can't say it's it's it's okay. 222 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Like you're like, but I don't want to mess it 223 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: up that they're like, you're not, You're not gonna mess 224 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: it up. It's fine. Just be here. You're gonna be 225 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: here on day on this one case if you don't 226 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: get in there right. And I also feel like you 227 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: have to have like a certain type of personality to 228 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: do this job as well. Right, I would say so, 229 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: But I mean, I know people whenever I tell people 230 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: what I dude, they always are like, yeah, you seem pretty, 231 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: you're you tube, you have seen much personality. I'm like, 232 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not the corpse. I don't what do 233 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: you I'm like, what do you need? Right? Like? I 234 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: was like, what is what? What do you think in 235 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: autopsy assistant should look like? I would like to know? 236 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: Right when? That leads to my next question on like 237 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: where are the biggest misconceptions about autopsy technicians. I don't 238 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: even think it's about autopsy SEC. It's like the office. 239 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: They think you work in a basement. It's dark and 240 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: it's dank it. I was like, we had we have 241 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: sixteen on top. We have sixteen stations in our main 242 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: area and then about three or four stations in our 243 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: isolation area. So you're never really by yourself in the room. 244 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: You can have sixteen plus cases going at one time 245 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: and we're all in there working together. So m people 246 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: just always think like you're in a dark basement by yourself. No, no, 247 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: not like that's the that's because of what the media portrays. Yeah, 248 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in a nice, bright room we're 249 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: listening to use it, or you know, on the radio, 250 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: we're listening to like ninety two Q or whatever, which 251 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: is like our radio one station. It's I mean, it's 252 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: like any other office. I guess we're just doing we're 253 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: just doing autop season instead of you know, pushing paperwork. Right, 254 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: And how how long have you been doing this? It 255 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: was nine years on the fourteen. Oh my god, congratulations 256 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: you does it feel like nine years? They flew When 257 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: I say they flew by, they they flew by. Oh 258 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: my god. So we have an expert, y'all. Come on, now, 259 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: this ain't no regular danular entry level. Why so how 260 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: were you introduced to this? I know you spoke about 261 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: like the TV shows and stuff. I'm like, what made 262 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: you wanna move forward with this this career? So initially 263 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: I actually wanted to go to med school and become 264 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: a pathologist, but I had a financial hardship during undergraduate 265 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: school and had to withdraw. And my cousin, well, he's 266 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: my mom's first cousin. He was the former police liaison 267 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: partner when they both worked homicide and so contact the 268 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: police liaison. He got me an internship and then they 269 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: at late like about eighteen miles later they asked me 270 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: to up like for a job, and that's how I 271 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: actually got my job. Oh wow, So walk us through 272 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: a day. Okay, So, UM, we're on a staggered schedule, 273 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: so people start showing up around six. So six, seven 274 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: and eight are when the tech show up. The six 275 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: o'clock people usually UM pull out the print the conference sheet, 276 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: which basically just has a list of the decedents for 277 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: the day as well as some UM information on how 278 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: they passed away. M M. So, so we can kind 279 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: of pinpoint what kind of cases, whether it maybe a 280 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: natural or homicide, a suicide or what have you, so 281 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: we know kind of what to do. Because it's a 282 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: potential homicide or a suicide like a self inflicted g 283 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: stuff you or something like that, then they would need 284 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: the next ray. Or sometimes we have UM people who 285 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: are car accidents but they like you know, like their 286 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: cars versed in the flame and they're like completely charred, 287 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: So they would need an X ray because you don't, oh, 288 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: if something else happened prior to the car accident, because 289 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean we've had people shot and then they like 290 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: they're driving, they get shot and then their car burst 291 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: in the flames because they crashed. So we start pulling 292 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: out the cases. We x ray whoever needs to be 293 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: x rayed. If anything needs to be CT like usually 294 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: infant or um shot pediatric cases, they get um a 295 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: CT scan to see if there's anything internally going on 296 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: prior to the autopsy. Uh. Then everyone kind of we 297 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: have like an office office personnel who will assign the 298 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: cases to everybody, so they kind of start getting themselves 299 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: organized and prepared to UM do the cases. Then around 300 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: eight thirty is when our emmys they have their morning 301 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: round so they can decide what cases they're doing for 302 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: the day. Then they come down around nine nine thirty 303 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: and we get started. So as far as getting started, 304 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: they'll do their external examination, like they'll document whatever clothing 305 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: the person is wearing, any medical therapy UM that you 306 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: have one, and then the tech will remove those items 307 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: and clean them up for photos and then the photographer 308 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: will come in and do whatever photos are needed. Once 309 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: that's done, Once the full external examination is done, then 310 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: the technician can proceed with the autopsy, whatever kind of 311 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: autopsy is. It might be a full autopsy, which is 312 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: where you do the y incision to remove the chest 313 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: plate um. In our office, we use UM the black 314 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: and decker like the hedge trimmers. Some people to remove 315 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: the chest plate, some people use a striker saw, which 316 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: is like a circular um. So we used for the 317 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: removing a skull cap. But I know you're talking about Yeah, 318 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: so some people will use that, like people who old 319 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: like old school, they'll take the striker so and remove 320 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the chest plate. And then once the chest plates removed, 321 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: all the organs are exposed, so then the tech would 322 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: get the prology fluids for toxicology. So that's you're in bio. 323 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: If they still have their gall blad, some kind of 324 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: perpheral blood, which would be subclavian which comes which is 325 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: the subcladean is our is below the clavical or the 326 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: femoral artery, which is like in the I like to say, 327 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: like the crease of the pelvis, like where your legs 328 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: and your pelvis come together. Your femoral artery is located, 329 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: so you'll get blood from that area and heart blood 330 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: if they have any. So once you remove, once you 331 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: get all your syrology fluids. Oh and btrius which is 332 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: the clear fluid and knives. So yeah, you get a 333 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: needle in the eye if you get it off. So 334 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: once that's done, then we'll start removing the organs. In 335 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: my office we do on block, which means you take 336 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: everything in one the whole thing, so from the tongue 337 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: to your rectum and with the man, the pros state 338 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: the woman the ovaries and uh put sometimes part of 339 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: the vagina, and then when you do with the the origens, 340 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: well that would say uh so yeah. So I usually 341 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: will free the tongue first because it's the hardest part 342 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: to get because you don't wanna You don't want to 343 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: puncture a hole in someone's neck if you know what. 344 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: Homes don't like that because then you wonder why somebody 345 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: got on a turtleneck and it's July because probably if 346 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: somebody must stay neck up when they was either when 347 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: even when they were embalming them for and prepping them 348 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: for their services, or if they had autopsy and the 349 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: technician u there was a hole and put in the 350 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: neck and they couldn't repair it well enough to have 351 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: the neck exposed that services. Then I'll sleep free the 352 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: bladder and then I'll go and you just go along. 353 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: You kind of cut along the a order. So once 354 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: you cut along the A order, everything will pretty much 355 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: come out. You just disconnect all the connective tissue, including 356 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: the diaphragm, so your liver, so your liver, your kidneys, 357 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: your spleen, your pancreas you're a small intest and your 358 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: lodge in tests and everything will just come out in 359 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: one by the tongue. You put it on the cutting 360 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: board for the doctor so they can dissect the the organs. 361 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: They save a piece for stock. Sometimes they'll take micros 362 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: to make slides if um potentially A lot of times 363 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: skill do that if it may potentially be a drug overdose. 364 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: But if it comes back that your TOPS is negative 365 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: and they need some something else to look at, they'll 366 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: do slides so they can see if there were anything 367 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: wrong with the organs that they couldn't see um with 368 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: the naked eye. It might be something microscopic that they 369 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: to determine cause him to determine your cause of death. Child. 370 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: I know you can do an autopsy and you'll sleepy, 371 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: and then so after you remove the organs, then you 372 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: go and smoove to remove the brain. So you go 373 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: from ear to ear. I like to lift the chin 374 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: so I can kind of see how your head's gonna 375 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: lay on the pillow, so because you don't want to 376 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: cut too low, you don't want to cut too high. 377 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: And then you reflect the scalp. So basically you're pulling 378 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: the bath you're the person's head over their forehead a 379 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: lot it is, and then you're doing the same with 380 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: the nape of the neck. You're pulling that down to 381 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: like the top of the shoulder. So then you have 382 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: these two muscles on the side of your head, cult 383 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: your temporalis muscles. They just provide some cushion if you 384 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: like have a head injury, so you're not just hitting 385 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: your your skull directly, so get some cushion. You reflect 386 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: those down, then you take the saw and and saw 387 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: around to pull off your skull cap. Then your brain 388 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: is exposed, and so they they get it right and horrible. 389 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: It's it's spongy and it's wrinkly, and some of them 390 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: are firm and some of them are like squishy or 391 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: falling apart um. So then you had this um, yeah, 392 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: the dora mater, which protects your It's another like kind 393 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: of muscle for cushion, so your brain isn't like if 394 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: you do hit your head, your brain isn't just hitting 395 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 1: your skull directly. It has something to protect that so 396 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: you don't uh, you don't crush your brain. So once 397 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: you free that, disconnect the ocular nerve, you free the 398 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: door on each side of the brain, and you dis 399 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: connect the brain stem and then you take the brain 400 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: out and then they weigh it dissected, save pieces for stock. 401 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: And then once all that is done, you say the 402 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: viscera bag which has all the origan pieces in it, 403 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: put it in the chest cavities, set you back closed, 404 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: and zip the bag back up. Put the skull, cat back, 405 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: reflect your take your forhead, take your scout back, stip 406 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: you up and send you on your way. How long 407 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: does it take you do an autopsy? Like? How many 408 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: autopsies can do? You think you can do in an 409 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: eight hour ship and an eight hour chef? I probably. 410 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: I think the most I've ever done was like nine. Wow, 411 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: I want to say, but no, they weren't necessarily all 412 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: full autopsy. Sometimes will do a partial autopsy where they 413 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: just want to They just weren't pops and a piece 414 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: of liver in the brain, or they just want or 415 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: it's just an inspection where they just want to do 416 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: an external examination and get times or sometimes we do 417 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: and what's called we call them, they call them peaks. 418 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: But it's really like an exploratory so it's an insight. 419 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: So you open it up and they're like looking depend 420 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: upon what they're looking for, they might take a kidney, 421 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: they might take a piece of liver, they might take 422 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: this since they take that, but they're just checking to 423 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: see what's going on internally. So but yeah, um, one 424 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: of it depends on the circumstances of the case. But 425 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: I want to say, it takes me probably like ten 426 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Yeah, he should go flexing, y'all, like just 427 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: to remove the block and then maybe like another five 428 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: to ten minutes to get the brain. It doesn't it 429 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: really doesn't take home. Do you do um all toxies 430 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: on kids? Unfortunately? I hate I hate doing PDC cases. 431 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: I hate I hate them. How infant? Oh my god, 432 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm just like you feel like now though I'm like 433 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: I still feel the bay feel like I'm not. I'm 434 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: like I don't want to hurt I don't want to 435 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: hurt the baby. Yeah. Oh yeah, I hate them. Yeah, 436 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: I can imagine. Um, do you do a lot on 437 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: babies or I personally. See, it's weird because we'll go 438 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: like along fan with no like peace cases, and then 439 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: they will get a season where it's like one or 440 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: two a day for like two weeks, and then there 441 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: won't be any and then it will Yeah, so we 442 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: get them in spurts. We don't really not, it's not 443 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: a consistent thing, especially like in the like when the 444 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: summer first brain you get a lot of big kids 445 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: drowning and pools and stuff. And you know, of course 446 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: like since sends babies and stuff like that. But like 447 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: they'll when I say, they'll will go like months with 448 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: none and then it seems like every day there's like 449 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: three for like a week, and then there'll be no more. 450 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: So thankfully they come in spurts. It's not like every 451 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: day you're seeing a deceased child. When it comes to 452 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: you or your team, like Doude, do certain people on 453 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: team like doing certain tape of bodies, Like maybe you'd 454 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: be like, you know what, I don't want to do 455 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: babies and I know my cowork gonna take care of that. Yeah. Yeah, 456 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean everybody kind of touches on everything, but there 457 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: are some people who are more comfortable and more seasoned 458 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: with like kids cases or like burn victims. We have 459 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: one tech who likes doing, um, the isolation d comp cases, 460 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: and you can have that because I don't like fooling 461 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: with bugs and whatnot. But what's the isolation dcom case? 462 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: What is that decomposed like people who are like bloated 463 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: and like bugs and they're like in the wall water 464 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: or or like people with communicable diseases? What was you 465 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: in isolation just so everyone's not exposed to like tuberculosis 466 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: or meningitis or hepatitis or HIV. Uh what do you 467 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: like doing? I like doing homicidechics. Yeah, Like I like 468 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: like like because I mean they're like very I hate 469 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: to say relaxing, but it's just like you know, they're 470 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: very methodical, especially when they're like bullet retreat when they're 471 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: projectile retrievals. I like, I like going on searching for 472 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: like searching for bullets I don't like, and seeing if 473 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I can find it before the doctor finds it. On 474 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: for like one of my co workers, we call him 475 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: the human Medical Sector because I swear he'll look at 476 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: an X ray and know exactly where it is, Like 477 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: he'll be like, well, damn, Like like like I like them, 478 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: and I have to call him over right, It's like 479 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm competitive. I don't I don't mind asking for help, 480 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: but I don't like eking the help. I want to 481 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: do it myself. Yes, how long he's probably been doing 482 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: it for a very long time then yeah, and he 483 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: when I say, he can just look at an ex 484 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: like look at an experym but like it's in the back. 485 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: It's in the back. To the laugh and showing up. 486 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: You'll turn them over go to the back slightly too, 487 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: the laugh and the right day and you feel like 488 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: I've been looking for this thing for at war folk. 489 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: Thank you that get away from me, you know, you 490 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: know missed me off right, Um, do you ever get 491 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: backed up? We're doing our top sis? Uh usually no, 492 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: we don't really have I mean we had a backlog 493 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: like earlier this year, but that was and adminised. That 494 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: was an administring. This we unfortunately try to do everything 495 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: the day it comes in and which and I say, 496 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm fortunate because then the funeral directors they become accustomed 497 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: to and spoiled two cases being done within the twenty 498 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: four hour time span, so then they're like rushing you 499 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: and work. They'd have made arrangement. They ain't got the body, 500 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: but they have made arrangements with the family said they 501 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: can have. That's been wrong on thirsty. Why did you 502 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: tell them that you don't have to body yet? Well, 503 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: we just we just assumed y'all would y'all ahead, I'm 504 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: like and that and more than likely that is true, 505 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: but you never know. The doctor might put the case 506 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: on hold for whatever reason. But it stood in discretion 507 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: because technically the body is under the section of the 508 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: medical Examiner's office until we say it's not. So you 509 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: can y'all keep a body. I mean, usually it might 510 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: be like a dare Ti like saying it's a really 511 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: bad homicide and they want to just like we haven't 512 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: found all. Everybody was just like, you know what, we're tired. 513 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,479 Speaker 1: I was gonna cross my womb paths. Don't make any sense. 514 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: Let me sleep on it and come back tomorrow row 515 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: with fresh eyes and tried us again, maybe like a 516 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: day and two if they have a name. If they're unknown, 517 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: it's until they're identified, and you know, regular cases, it's 518 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: usually like a couple of days for that. But if 519 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: somebody's like skeletonized or severely decomposed and you can't do fingerprints. 520 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: You might have to do dental. You think you know 521 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: who it is. You've got these dental records, so now 522 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: you gotta do a dental CT or dental X ray 523 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: two match. So the we had forensic old in collogists 524 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: who come in so they can look at the control 525 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: um donal X ray and against our donal X ray 526 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: and say, yes, this is this person. Or sometimes we'll 527 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: have to spend like the femur bone to um out 528 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: for DNA testing and that takes months to come back. 529 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: But usually it's like a day or two. It's nothing crazy, 530 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: but it's like, don't tell them they can have it. 531 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: Don't tell it's Tuesday. Don't tell them they can have 532 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: services on Wednesday. I mean, I'm not and I'm like, 533 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: and I get it, but come on now, help me, 534 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: help you. They're gonna be calling down here, fuss. I'm like, well, 535 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why they made arrangements and they knew 536 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: they didn't have your loved one, right, I don't. I'm sorry, 537 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We're we're working as fast as we can, 538 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: but we arn human and you know, have you ever 539 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: seen something crazy inside of a body? Um? I almost 540 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: got bitten by a live snake that was in a body. 541 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: I did almost got bit by a live snake. How 542 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: did the snake inside the body? Okay, So this case 543 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: was like, this was a couple of years ago. This 544 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: guy was like, I don't know, there was a bad 545 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: form in like Pennsylvania, and I guess he couldn't shelter 546 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: anywhere like he was, I guess in the field or something. 547 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: And so instead of like trying to shelter in place 548 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: from where he had nowhere to go, so he like 549 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: wrapped himself around the tree. The tree cut of dead. 550 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: It floated down strain. It ended up here somebody who's 551 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: on their property property forging for mushrooms and found this 552 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: supontified muddy thing. They didn't know what it was, so 553 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: they called the police. They airlifted it if there was 554 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: a person in there somewhere, and then they airlifted it 555 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: to our office basically, And so I come into work. 556 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: First of all, I was late, Like I was stupid 557 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: late that day. I don't even know why. I don't 558 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: remember why. I just remember I was really late. So 559 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: I get in and I'm like, what, like what am I? 560 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: What was my case assignment? And everybody's like sniggling and 561 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: giggling and okay. So I go on the room and 562 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: it looked like a tree trunk in a rescue basket 563 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: on an autopsy table and I was just like what 564 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: is that? And they're like it should I'm like there's 565 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: a person in that's like okay, whatever. So I'm like, 566 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know what to do. I'm like, I 567 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: don't even know what to do. I don't know. I 568 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: don't know what to do. So I started cutting. So 569 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: I turned and I'm working with a fellow because we're 570 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: teaching facilities, so we we trained future pathologists. So I'm 571 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: working on a fellow and I had my back turned 572 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to him and he's like snake and 573 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm like huh, and mind you, He's like, let's he from? 574 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: Where was that? He was from Iran, which is neither 575 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: hit on that. But he was just very like mellow, 576 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: very monotone, very like didn't get excited, people should get excited. 577 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: He was just like snake, and I was just like, huh, snake, 578 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I know he's not saying snake. He 579 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: can't be saying snake. Why wouldn't you be saying snake, 580 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: but snake I love. I see a tongue in a 581 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: nose just darting at me. I'll just thing, person's high. 582 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: And I ran when I say, I'm like, I'm at 583 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: working at the station. That's like at the door. I 584 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: ran to the back of the room. I just ran. 585 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: And mind you, we're like a teaching sim with me, 586 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: like I said, And so we have tour groups like 587 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: could put the police to dats and fire and all 588 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: kinds of people. There's all to group up there, and 589 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even there about them. I'm 590 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: not going over there. And so y'all get the snake 591 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't mess with snakes like that 592 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: when they're not when they're not in a cage. I 593 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I was like, I don't know what how 594 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: snake it is? Is a poisonous is it not? I 595 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: can't get bitten up behind and then go to the 596 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: the hospital and they ain't got no anti venom because 597 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: we in up we are bought them a city, right 598 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: I can't. I was like, yeah, somebody go ahead to 599 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: get the snake if you want me to come back 600 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: over there and finish what I'm doing. Somebody gotta get it, 601 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: because I'm not. I'm not gonna make over there until 602 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: somebody get it. Wait, how did so how did he? Did? 603 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: The person died from like a snake fight or they 604 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: died they just do they died. They probably drowned and 605 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: then they like decomposed, and so you know, the little 606 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: creatures and the little fish and all the stuff made 607 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: a home and what was left or and we're snacking 608 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: on what was left and snake slithering itself going up 609 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: in there and was chilling, And so I disturbed it 610 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: by trying to do the autopsy and it was like 611 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: twelve bench little brown and white sounds like okay, um no, 612 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: thank god that. Thank god you a your co worker 613 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: gave you the heads up, cause because could you imagine? Yeah, 614 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna look at the X ray and 615 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: you can see like it's little they thought it was 616 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: a ship. Was like we thought that was a shadow. 617 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: We had no idea, and that was actually, oh my god. 618 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: I would started crying. I went to I'm not going back. 619 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean when I said, I was freaking the funk out. 620 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm not going back on that, 621 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: but I'm not. No i't know. I'm not doing that. 622 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. I was like, y'all 623 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: fire me right now because I'm not coming back over 624 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: there and tell y'all get damn. What would you say, 625 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: was one of the hardest days you a counter at work? Oh? God, 626 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of them. Um, let's see the 627 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: hardest days, all right. I don't know about hardest, but 628 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: like one of the craziest days. We had somebody that 629 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: had been like dismembered and they were like just on 630 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: different trade tables and it was just like wait what 631 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: because the because all the pieces came in separately, like 632 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: it was like a gang situation, and they like cut 633 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: this person up and like scanning their body parts all 634 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: over an apartment complex, and so they like finding found 635 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: an arm over here, and the leg over there, and 636 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: the toss over here, and the head over and you 637 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: just walk in and it's like four different tables with 638 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: different points of this person on the You're like, okay, 639 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: this is a lot. Yeah, yeah. And then I had 640 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: a case. I was like, I'll never watched CCTV because 641 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: sometimes the detectives will bring in like the video because 642 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: surveilance video if it gets put on State and I 643 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: watched the we had like there was this like a 644 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: guy that went on a shooting spree and shot a 645 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,959 Speaker 1: bunch of his co workers, and you see two guys 646 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: running for their lives and I see the guy that 647 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: I autopsy, like just get shot in the head, and 648 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: I'm just oh. And then just played on a loop 649 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: in my in my brain for like two weeks, and 650 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, yeah, never watching surrealistic again. Yeah, 651 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: I feel like you being in um Baltimore, Like I 652 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: thought only imagined the amount of homicide cases you deal with. Well, we, 653 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: like I said, we're I worked for the State Emmi's 654 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: office for the state of Maryland and we do the 655 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: entire state. We're the only emmies office in the state, 656 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: so it's not just Baltimore. And then sometimes we end 657 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: up with DC cases and sometimes we had with Delaware cases. 658 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: If you're on the wrong side of seventy, you you 659 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: come in here instead over there. So yeah, yeah, oh 660 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: my god, what is the scariest thing you've seen a 661 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:19,479 Speaker 1: body do? Pre or pre or appost exam the body though, 662 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: do anything? I've never don't. Yeah, Like, dude, I mean 663 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: the gurgle and the death gurgle, that's not that's just 664 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: gas being released. But I've never had anyone sit up 665 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: on me. I've never like, what does that happen? So yeah, 666 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, in the nine years I've been doing this, 667 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone this. I'm up now. They might 668 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: be sitting up when they come in because they're in 669 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: full rider and they died like in a seated position 670 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: and they're stiff, but that's about it. Oh my god, 671 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: you but that like grab reach out and grab you. 672 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: But like when you're moving them around because they're in 673 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: full rider and they're like hands are like they might 674 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: like grip you. I kind of got tongued a couple 675 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: of times in my apron and I'm like what is 676 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh okay, And he wasn't scared because I 677 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: mean the body didn't move, it just their hands was 678 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: like in this position. So I walked fast and it's 679 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: like grabbed the loop of my I'm like, no, if 680 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: you walk past somebody slapped your glass, then it's happened. 681 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: So I would lose my ship. I mean, like I said, 682 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: you're not in the dark room by yourself, so it's 683 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: a matter touched like you know, gooding, Well, somebody either 684 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: rolled them over, which has happened, or you moved the 685 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: arm out of the way and it's sprung back and 686 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 1: if you like, they're like whatever, Okay, Oh my god. 687 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: What's the most shocking thing you ever discovered by doing 688 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: the autopsy that snake? Mm hmm. But have you ever 689 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: like found something like like you have you ever found 690 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: something that like solved the case or anything? Or maybe 691 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: the other day I had a case and the guy 692 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: had a two he had a brain tumor mm hmm. 693 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: The doctor she made a joke. She was like, she's like, 694 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: you should have done the head first. You could have 695 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: had a cause of death. Like next time, I'll give 696 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: that a chip. But can you see what a brain 697 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: tumor looked like? What I do? No? I know? I mean, 698 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: I like, I went I did you know? And I 699 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: was pulling the brain and I was like that's not normal. 700 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: Uh doc, She's like, he has a dumer. I was like, yeah, 701 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, wow. And what ways have your job 702 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: effected your mental health? Oh? It's um. I know. Well 703 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: now I know to take breaks. I have p t O. 704 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: I take time off when it gets to be too much. 705 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: Day used as mental health days, so I take them 706 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: because I mean, I can't be overwhelming. You're seeing death 707 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: in all forms and fashions every day. That's not that's 708 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: not normal. Yeah, do you go to therapy for it? 709 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: Or I probably should, but I haven't started. I mean, 710 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: it just affect me that way. It's just like sometimes 711 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: it's just depressed thing. I'm like, you know, I just 712 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: need a break. Put this one pause, take a self 713 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: care day, give my get my mom back together, and 714 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: we can try this again tomorrow. Because I was like, 715 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: unless jes like I'd like to say, unless Jesus chooses 716 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: to walk the holes and waking people up, they're gonna 717 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: still be dead, whether I'm whether they here to day 718 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: or tomorrow, right. You know, I tell my office that 719 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: I've told people in my office is I'm like, y'all 720 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: are just in a hurry up and y'all just rush. 721 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: What are we rushing for? It? I would like to know. 722 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm like I could get if we was like in 723 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: the emergency or you know, in the hospital, dot off. 724 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: But they're deceased and they're gonna be deceased. Yes we 725 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: want answer, Yes, we want to get stuff done, But 726 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: there's no need to rush. Take your time, take a break, 727 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: step back, look at it. When the first parent wise 728 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: right right, it's it's gonna be okay, guess what we 729 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: are in control and that's the That's the other thing. 730 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: It's like people like, well the police, and in fact, 731 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's what they They have to wait 732 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: because because we're we're in charge right now, Like the 733 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 1: body is under our jurisdiction, not the jursdiction of the police. 734 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: So well, like okay, like I get it, but you 735 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: do your job and let me be bad. That's that's 736 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: that's you know, Well, how do you know, like how 737 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: do you get raised? Like how do you know if 738 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: you're doing your job? Will? Like where did they measure 739 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: it off of? Um, we have PEPs? But I mean, 740 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: uh uh, as long as you're not screwing up, he 741 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: don't out here. If you're screwing you'll know if you're 742 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: screwing up. Also if you're screwing up. But I mean, 743 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: it's really not hard. It's not a race. Take your time. 744 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: I had to build to being able to do an autopy, 745 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: and twenty minutes in the beginning I was taken. I 746 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: might take forty five minutes to an hour. Take your time, 747 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: because that's what you can't Once you mess it up. 748 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: What's your fucking up? You can't fix it, right, you can't. 749 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: You can't. You can't fix it, so you might as 750 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: well take your time so you don't fuck it up. Right, 751 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: that's it's satrible. But everybody's in a rush all the time, 752 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just our society. Everyone's in a rush. 753 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: But like, take it up right? I mean, where right? 754 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: This is your case. You came what you mess it up? 755 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: I stop? Can't you can't get another one. It's not 756 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: like you know, dissecting the frog in anatomy in biology. 757 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: You can't be like, hold I messed up, Give me 758 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: another frog? No, this is the only this person. Does 759 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: this job make you question your religion? No? You know? 760 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean everything happens in his divine time. We might 761 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: not understand it, but we're not meant to understand it. 762 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: We just have to accept it, right, m I mean 763 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: it's bad, it's unfortunate, but in the grand scheme of things, 764 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: obviously it's a it's it's in his plan. So I 765 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: just I let him. I let I let God do 766 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: his thing and I'm gonna be my thing. Right and 767 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: last and not least. Can you see the relaxer on 768 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: the skull of blackness? I don't know. In the nineties, 769 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: I've never No, Now you can be five. I've seen 770 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: five broids. I've seen a matter of fact, I had 771 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: a case a couple of months ago. Fibrary was so 772 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: big we thought it was a fetus. Like, yeah, I'm 773 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: like I thought I think I was like, because then 774 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: I was like, oh God on my head. I was like, peas, 775 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: don't make me all time to this fetus. I stepped 776 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,919 Speaker 1: away to do something. I came back and I was like, 777 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: what it was? It was like it was a fire brooid. 778 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: I was like it was And then when I say 779 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: it was, it looked like it looked like a fetus 780 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: like her. The uterus was so swollen. The woman looked pretty. Yes, 781 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen fire broids, but actually, like seeing 782 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: the relaxer on, No, I don't wonder if she knew 783 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: she had fireboroids. She had to know, yeah, I mean, 784 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: as big as it was, I would she knew. But 785 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: then you see people who are like carrying like fluid 786 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: because their livers are they have sorrosis and they're like bellies. 787 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 1: And you see the people there like hard that like older, 788 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: like especially like older men, but don't like look their 789 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 1: bellies look like really hard. Usually they're full of fluids. 790 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, And you wonder how they were walking 791 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: around with sees of srotic fluid in their abdomen for 792 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: this long because it's like it didn't just get like this. 793 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: It's been like this for a white Oh my god. 794 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: But I let this makes you want to take better 795 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: care of your health too, because you like, see all 796 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: these different diseases and stuff. Yeah, that's true. Are now, 797 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I take it's good. I mean I haven't 798 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: been sick and God knows how long, so I mean 799 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: I take as good for myself as I can. But 800 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean some of these things are just you have 801 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: to understand that a lot a lot of stuff is Yes, 802 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: it's environment and it's how you take care of yourself, 803 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: but a lot of stuff also genetics something it's like, 804 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's the luck of the draw. Sometimes. I know, 805 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: diabetes runs in my family. I you know, there are 806 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: some cancers that run with my family. I'm doing the 807 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: best I can to not be end up in those situations. 808 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: But if they happened, they happened. I'll just have to 809 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,839 Speaker 1: deal with deal with it as it comes. And I'm 810 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: really healthy right now, and I take like I said, 811 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: I'm I hardly ever get sick. I think the last 812 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,399 Speaker 1: time I was saying pronchitis. So I mean I don't 813 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: even a count that, as me said, Yeah they have, 814 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 1: I asked. I haven't asked my history. So get a 815 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: little dusty. I'm a start wheezing right. One more thing. 816 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: Would you do an autopsy on the loved one? No? 817 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: I didn't not, Yeah, yeah I would. I would get 818 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: a trusted co worker to do the autopsy, or hopefully 819 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,879 Speaker 1: they won't Lord will and they won't need one, because 820 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: not everyone gets an autopsy. It's usually just if you're 821 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: not under a doctor's care, or you may have like 822 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: a recreational drug or alcohol history or something like not 823 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 1: recreational and addiction. Mm hmm. Yeah, So even if you've 824 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,479 Speaker 1: been cleaned for like fifteen years, they would still bring 825 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: you in because potentially, even if it was natural, it 826 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: might have been exasperated by your drug use. Because most 827 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: people don't like like cocaine users, they don't usually die 828 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: from an overdose per se, it's usually a heart it's 829 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: usually cardiac arrest right because it's a simulant. So I 830 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: thought everybody to get an autopsy's done. Not everyone needs one. Um, 831 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: it's if you're not under a doctor's care. If you 832 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: like with decomposed cases, you not can't always tell if 833 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: there's trauma or not, so they're gonna bring you up 834 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: for an autopsy to make sure that there was no 835 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: foul play. But if you have a primary care doctor 836 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: that you've been saying, you know, every year for your 837 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: physical or if you do have any physical ailments and 838 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 1: they've been monitoring them and you pass away, they can 839 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: sign your GOTH certificate you don't meet an autopsy. Mm hmm. Well, 840 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: I think this was very informative. I definitely learned a lot. 841 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 1: Thank you um to the listeners. If you have any questions, comments, 842 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,720 Speaker 1: or concerns, or if you're gonna say hey girl, hey, 843 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: please email me and hello at the PhD podcast dot com. 844 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone Later later