1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: What is going on everybody? 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: Hopefully you're having a good weekend and enjoying some sun, 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: some family, maybe a few drinks or maybe hanging out 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 3: by the pool. But whatever you may be doing, we 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: have a little best of for you this weekend. 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: We had a crazy week. 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: Started off actually last Saturday, when Derek Carr retired. I'm 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 3: not sure I saw that one coming. What's going on 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: with the Bengals. Obviously their star pass rusher not happy, 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 3: text messaging with his head coach, clearly not on the 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: same page. 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: And obviously. 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: By middle end of the week, we had a NFL 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: schedule release, So from games being streamed to international games 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: to primetime games, we will dive in to the schedule release. 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: So let's talk a little football. Well, well, well, Derek 18 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: Carr has I don't want to say officially but unofficially 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: retired from the National Football League and a little bit 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: of a shakra. Not not sure that most of us 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: saw this one coming though, been a weird. It feels 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: like last month or two with the back and forth 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: with the Saints with kind of some threats about a 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: season ending surgery within them drafting a quarterback early in 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: the second round, it did not feel like Kellen Moore, 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: and kind of the new vibe in the building was 27 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: in on Derek Carr, which is understandable. Derek went to 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: the Saints because of Dennis Allen, who was obviously fired 29 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: last year. But there's no more guessing how the situation 30 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: is gonna play out. Is he gonna get surgery? Is 31 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: he gonna you don't have to compete for his job? 32 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: Can Kellen Moore? Could they deal him? It's like, nope, 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: I'm done and you can retire at thirty four, thirty 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: five years old when you've made two hundred million dollars 35 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: playing football, and that there is no disputing He's been 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: one of the more polarizing players over the course of 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: his career because the one thing Derek Carr has been 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: and he will go out as being, is a starter 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: in the NFL. This wasn't one of those guys that's 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: like backed up some people bounced around. He's played for 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: two teams. He's played at one hundred and sixty nine 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: games and he started every single one of them. And 43 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: I had a front row seat when he got drafted 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: to the Saints and he beat out match job in 45 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: training camp. I remember being at a preseason game four 46 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: against the Seattle Seahawks his rookie season, Pete Carroll was 47 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: a little old school. This was a team that had 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: already won a Super Bowl. I think they'd already been 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: to another. I mean, they were easily one of the 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: best teams in the NFL. Their defensive backfield, Cam Chancellor, 51 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: Earl Thomas, and obviously Richard Sherman and those guys played 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: in the fourth preseason game and Derek went right down 53 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: the field scored a touchdown on him. 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: Then I think Pete pulled everybody. 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 3: But then he scored either two more or three touchdowns 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: in that first half, and it was like Matt Shops done. 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: And I think a day or two later, Dennis Allen 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: announced him as the starter, and then he would go 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: on to be the longtime starter for the Raiders. But 60 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: some background that I had when I was hired out 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: of college at Fresno State to be a GA in recruiting. 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: When I got there in basically probably late May early June, 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: we had a recruiting class. And this is a day 64 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: and age when the transfer portal didn't exist. There was 65 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: only one signing day. People would commit, especially at schools 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: like that and for the most part they were gonna 67 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: end up playing football for you. And Derek Carr was, 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: when I showed up by four, the biggest current commit 69 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: of the class. He was a really good high school player, 70 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: probably could have gone two places like cow Will Jeff 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: Tedford was, who had coached his brother. I know Utah 72 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: was really interested, but he was dead set in finishing 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 3: kind of what his brother started. And he had committed 74 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: very early on in his high school career and really never. 75 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: Wavered. 76 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: And I think his senior year he transferred from Texas 77 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 3: back to Bakersfield and had a massive senior year, but 78 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: he came to Fresno State honestly probably should have won 79 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: the starting quarterback job as a true freshman, but coach 80 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: Hill old School went with the longtime backup who just 81 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: simply was not as good as Derek. But Derek not 82 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: only backed him up that year, red shirted the next 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: year and then he started for the next three seasons. 84 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: And if his name had been Derek Johnson instead of 85 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: Derek Carr, I think he would have been a lock 86 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: first round pick. But when I when I was around 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: him his freshman year, I remember thinking, like, this guy's 88 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: got a big arm. This guy's a really talented player. 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: And then after his freshman year, I was hired into 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: the NFL with the Eagles and I get there and 91 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: Kevin Cobb he ended up starting a game because he 92 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: got knocked out and Michael Vick came in. 93 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: The rest is history. 94 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: But I remember being in training camp practice watching Kevin 95 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: Cobb throw the ball and texting people back at Fresno. 96 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: I was like, this guy doesn't throw it nearly as 97 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: well as Derek. So I don't want to say that 98 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: I knew Derek Carr was going to be an NFL 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: starter right then and there, but I was it was 100 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: eye opening how much Derek's arm was going to translate. 101 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: And by Derek's senior year at Fresno State, I think 102 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: he threw fifty touchdowns and eight picks. I mean he dominated. 103 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: I mean his last couple of years all Mountain West guy, 104 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: him and DeVante. It wasn't even fair. It was like 105 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: the equivalent of Joe Kitchen Murray playing again It's Me 106 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: and You. But because of his name and his brother 107 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: being a pretty legendary quote unquote bust and being someone 108 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: that I would say is has a negative connotation in 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: NFL circles. I do think it hurt him, but he 110 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: ended up going in the top of the second round. 111 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: And the one lesson I think you take away from 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: Derek's career is so much as out of your control, 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: whether you're a football player for those of us in life, 114 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: but specifically at quarterback. You get drafted, You don't pick 115 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: the other players in your team. You don't get to 116 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: determine who the coach is. You definitely don't get determined 117 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: the scheme, who the assistant coaches are going to be, 118 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: who the GM is making the moves. And Derek went 119 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: to a very very chaotic organization and basically for the 120 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: first six or seven years he was there, it was 121 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: all about when are we going to move, how are 122 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: we going to move? And then we are moving, but 123 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: we're staying in Oakland for a couple of years. Like 124 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: it wasn't a very easy situation for any player, let 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: alone a young guy, especially the starting quarterback of the team, 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: and everything that was thrown on his shoulders. Like, I 127 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: do respect how much he had to handle because he 128 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: was asked these questions constantly and he had nothing to 129 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: do with any of them. But I do think his 130 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: career could have turned out a lot better if it 131 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: wasn't for a broken ankle his third season, because by 132 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: his second year in the league, he had thrown thirty 133 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: two touchdowns. They had Amari Cooper, they had signed Crabtree, 134 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: and it looked like this guy had a chance to 135 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: be a pretty good quarterback, like to be a guy 136 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: that would be top ten in the NFL. The following year. 137 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: They are good. They are. 138 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: They have eleven wins going into Week fifteen. He throws 139 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: several touchdowns. He's in the conversation to be the MVP. 140 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: He is taking to. 141 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: The Raiders to the playoffs for the first time in 142 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: like fifteen years. This was a franchise that hadn't been 143 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: to the playoffs. Hell, hadn't sniffed the playoffs since like 144 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: two three range. And in twenty sixteen, he wasn't just 145 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: having a great year relative to the league. He was 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: playing really really well. I was going to all these games. 147 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: I mean, he was playing like a top five or 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: six quarterback in the NFL at a really really high level. 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: And then his ankle shatters, and honestly, I think after 150 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: that point, I don't think his career was ever quite 151 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: the same Obviously, the Raiders went to the playoffs, they 152 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: started mcgloyin in the game and they got worked by 153 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: the Texans. But then they go through Jack del Real, 154 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: they higher John Gruden, the moving process happens, and again 155 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: he I don't think he was ever as good as 156 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen range. But by twenty twenty 157 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: and twenty twenty one under John Gruden, after everything. 158 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Had normalized a little bit they had. 159 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: Moved to Vegas, he was playing pretty well again. Over 160 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 3: a two year span, he threw like fifty touchdowns in 161 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: less than twenty five picks and was a high completion 162 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: percentage guy, and the team was just kind of headed 163 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: in the right direction. And then Monday Night Football's going down. 164 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: The New York Times has the report and John Grune 165 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: gets fired. And then a couple months later, after they 166 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: get knocked out in the playoffs by the Bengals, they 167 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: bring in Josh McDaniels, and it's very safe to say 168 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: Derek's career on the field is all downhill after that. Now, 169 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: he ended up making a lot of money, and I 170 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: do think he's kind of the poster child for the 171 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: modern era of pro sports and the amount of money 172 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: that's being giving out in specifically the NFL for any 173 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: decent player. 174 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 2: Like obviously, if you're. 175 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: A star, you were making a lot of money in 176 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: the eighties and the nineties and every generation. Right, it's 177 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: all relative, but even now, like justin Jefferson, what Michael 178 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 3: Parson's gonna end up getting. You know, all these guys, 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: the top guys are making money, but the top guys 180 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: when I was a kid were making the most money. 181 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: But when you get a guy like Derek who's never 182 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: won a playoff game, who's only been to the playoffs twice, 183 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: and one of them he couldn't attend because he had 184 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: a shattered ankle. So the one playoff game he did start, 185 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: he lost and didn't end great against the Bengals because 186 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: he he he clocked the ball on first down in 187 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: the in the red zone late in the game, so 188 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: he basically gave away a you know, one of their 189 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 3: four plays, which was an ideal. But someone had slid 190 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: in my DMS and asked me, John, do you think 191 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 3: Derek is pulling a Sean Payton doing a retire to 192 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: kind of pivot? And you know, I'm gonna cross my mind. 193 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: The more and more I left the just reaction of 194 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: what happened really seep in, and then I read about 195 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: some of the stuff that happened. They're going to allow 196 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: him to keep the ten million dollar roster bonus that 197 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: he got for being on the team after free agency started, 198 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: but he gave up the opportunity for the thirty million 199 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: dollars guaranteed this fall by retiring, basically like we're good. 200 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 3: And I don't think you would do that because if 201 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: he if this was really a double middle finger move 202 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: to try to set a situation where in a year 203 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: he could get out, why wouldn't he have just got 204 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: his shoulder surgery this year. They would have been on 205 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: the hook to pay him between the bonus and the 206 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: salary forty million dollars, and then of course they would 207 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: have cut him next year and he would have been, 208 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: in theory, healthy and a free agent to sign wherever 209 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: he wanted to play. 210 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: So I do believe him. 211 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: And then I saw his wife had a post like 212 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: I think he's retired. I think he's just done. And 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: I think when you've been in a situation when he 214 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: played for the Raiders as long as he did, and 215 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: then you go to the Saints, and listen. Some of 216 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: it's his fault, like he had moments in big games 217 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: where he did not play well. I'm not trying to 218 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: act like he's a better player than he gets credit 219 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: for it, because I think the last four or five 220 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: years he's been pretty average. But he also represents, like 221 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 3: I said, a guy that made over two hundred million dollars. 222 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: So it's much easier to call it quits when you 223 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: go listen, I'm thirty four to thirty five. I got 224 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: a big family. I guess they just moved to forres Know, like, 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: I'm done, I'm out. 226 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: He've made a. 227 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: Lot of money. I mean, there can't be I know 228 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: a lot of people in the Fresno area, and while 229 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: while they do have some wealthy individuals, they're all business owners. 230 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: There is not many people in the state of California 231 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: outside of the San Francisco in La area, so especially 232 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: the valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield, who have made over 233 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars that never owned anything. He's just 234 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: a W two employee for the Raiders and the Saints. 235 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: So Derek banked a lot of cash in the league, 236 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: and a lot of people would say not playing that well, 237 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: and I would say I do think he made a 238 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: decision going to the Saints a couple of years ago 239 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: because of Dennis Allen and their previous relationship. Like, I 240 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: don't know if that's a great move. Obviously, Dennis Allen's 241 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: not a very good head coach. And I think we 242 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: do have to question the Saints, you know, minus like 243 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: with Sean Payton, the brains behind everything. And we're gonna 244 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: see with Kellen Moore if it was all Sean Payton, 245 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: if this organization is, you know, has the ability to 246 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: kind of overcome stuff. And I saw Kellen Moore said 247 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: that we'll just have a he's in an easy spot 248 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: now he's quarterback competition Jake Hayner, Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shuck. 249 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: But I think Derek Carr's retirement I don't think it 250 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: symbolizes anything like could this be a new trend of 251 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: guys retiring early? No? Now, is he gonna get shoulder surgery? 252 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: Is his injury legitimate? Because the Saints had a press release, clearly, 253 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: I don't think they're all on the same page about 254 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: this injury. In a weird way for a guy that 255 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: you look at his wiki played in a lot of games. 256 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: Does feel like. 257 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: Recently he's had a lot of injuries, from shoulder injuries 258 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: to concussions. It just feels like over the last you know, 259 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: especially in the twenty twenties, there have been a lot 260 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: of Sundays where if you have you know, a Raider 261 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: game or a Saints game on, Derek is on the ground, 262 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: laying there. And maybe he was just tired of the 263 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: pounding he took and said I've made enough money and 264 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: I'm out. But I do think his career could have 265 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: gone like if you played it over ten times. I 266 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: do think there are a couple scenarios where it goes 267 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: way better and he goes to a stable organization. I 268 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: think he always would have been a very polarizing player 269 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: like a Dak, like a cousin's. But look at Dak 270 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: for a lot of his career, Like we can nitpick 271 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: Jerry and say he does some crazy shit. True, but 272 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: like they've won a lot. They have three straight years 273 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: when they won twelve games. I do think early on 274 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: in Derek's career, had he not been with the Raiders, 275 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: had he been with a team that kind of knew 276 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: what they were doing, he could have been a guy 277 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: that was constantly going to the playoffs. I mean, like 278 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: Andy Dalton. Doesn't mean he would have won in the playoffs, 279 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: but I think Andy Dalton went to the playoffs six 280 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: straight years starting quarterback, so a lot of times as 281 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: a guy like that, dak Andy Dalton, Jimmy Garoppolo, like, 282 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: you're not going to go to a bad team and 283 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: have success. It's going to be very, very difficult unless 284 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: you're playing out of your mind. But if you're going 285 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: to play to what your ability is, which relative to 286 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: the rest of the quarterbacks is somewhere in the middle, 287 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: you are gonna need high level coaching, high level talent, 288 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: ideally a good defense. And that was the other thing 289 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: with the Raiders, like their defenses were a joke. I mean, 290 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: I remember the one year that Khalil Mack won the 291 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, and I didn't. 292 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: Even think the defense was good. 293 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: It was just him the reason he won the Defensive 294 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: Player of the Year because he literally did everything like 295 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: fumble sixes, pick six's sacks. It was like, I don't 296 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: even think there's anyone else good on this defense, Like 297 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: a good defense wouldn't want any of the other players 298 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: beside Khalil, and it also shows you the Raiders man 299 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: they had a two year stretch where they got Khalil, Mack, 300 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: Derek Cars, they got their star pass rusher, they got 301 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: their starting quarterback, and they got Amari Cooper, which early 302 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: on looked like a really, really like a guy there 303 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: was gonna be a top three or four wide receiver 304 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: in the league. And then by the time John Gruden 305 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: got there, it was called kind of over and it 306 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: was just Derek who was not quite as good as 307 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: he once was, so kind of a crazy little tail 308 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 3: of a career. But you know, at the end of 309 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: hard to say, you know, and Derrek's shoes go. I 310 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: started for eleven years in the NFL. I made two 311 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. You know, in his mind probably thinks 312 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: it's really really successful. And I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong, 313 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: but I think the way people would talk about it 314 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: would say he's unsuccessful given how many starts he had 315 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: and the results. And I think my overall take is, 316 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: I like most guys don't overcome in any like I 317 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: could put you like, you're gonna have much more success 318 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: if you're a finance guy and you go work for 319 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: Golden and sacks that if you go work for some 320 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: crazy organization, I'm a much better podcaster because you guys 321 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: can hear me because of Colin Coward that if I 322 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: did not have him, a lot of stuff is out 323 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: of our control. So he plays for the Raiders who 324 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: are running through coaches who finally look like they got 325 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: it right. And then Gruden has to get fired because 326 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: of everything that happened. It's just not a normal place 327 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: to work, you know, and a Peyton Manning, Josh Allen, 328 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. There are certain type just freak talents that 329 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: might be able to overcome it. Most guys cannot. You 330 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: see the Cowboys when a couple things go wrong, Dak 331 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: looks awful. 332 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: It's like, what is happening? 333 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: Say this for the most part in Kirk cousins career, 334 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: like when he signed with Minnesota, like they pretty well 335 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: run an organization with a lot of good players, right, 336 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: It's like from Kevin O'Connell the Zimmer like either they're 337 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: good on defense, they're good on offense. A lot of 338 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: talent around him, like pretty good places to play. 339 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: You know. 340 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: It's Alex Smith. Everyone called the guy a shitty player 341 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: until Jim Harbaugh showed up and everyone's like, oh, I 342 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: was okay, and then he goes to Andy Reid's like, oh, 343 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: this guy's a playoff quarterback. And then up until his 344 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: leg snapped in half with Washington, I think they were 345 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: six and two. 346 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: He's having a career year. 347 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you go to teams, they either have 348 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 3: good coaches or good talent around you and people that 349 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: believe in you. You have a chance. And then when 350 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels got there, that relationship was a disaster and 351 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 3: it turns out like say what you want about Derek. 352 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's a joke as a head coach, a complete 353 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: scam artist. I mean, he ran one of the great 354 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: fugazi campaigns we have ever seen. I read it, Dan 355 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: POPEI wrote the article like five years ago. It was like, Jesus, 356 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: I believe in this Josh McDaniels has changed his life around. 357 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: It was about it like him looking in the mirror 358 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: and writing positive words of affirmation down in a journal. 359 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 3: It's like, this guy is a way different human than 360 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: he was for the Denver Broncos when he drafted Tim Tebow, 361 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: and everyone in the building, including the animals couldn't stand 362 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: the asshole. It's like he has changed. And then we're 363 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: like two months in, we're like, oh, same shit, different day. 364 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 3: And listen, Dan pomp bag and write some compelling articles. 365 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 3: I just read this one about Spyteck and Tom Brady. 366 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: I actually I text John, I'm like, I don't know 367 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 3: if you saw this, uh, but this article about you 368 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: and Tom is incredible. Dan Pompey can write some gripping 369 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: pieces that has Tom on the record, so you know 370 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: it's not, you know, a scam piece like the Josh 371 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: McDaniels was. And I don't even know if Josh McDaniels 372 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: was a scam piece in the sense that he truly 373 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: believed like, I'm a positive person now, I'm different than 374 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: I once was. I will not be Belichick this time around. 375 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: It's like, no, bro, you will. You're gonna do the 376 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: same thing over and over. And it didn't matter who 377 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: played for Josh McDaniels, you would fail. Whether it's Team Tebow, 378 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: whether it's Derek Carr, whether it's Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes, 379 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: it would not go as well as it could because 380 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: of this. We say it all the time with brock Purty, 381 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: like he's an incredible story and an easy guy to 382 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: root for, even though he's obviously a polarizing individual in 383 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: the world of people that talk about football, but like 384 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: what he has accomplished being the last pick in the 385 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: draft and how well he's played, it's fucking awesome. But 386 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: he benefits greatly from going to Kyle Shanahan. If I 387 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: gave brock Purty to some of these other teams, it 388 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 3: probably would not look that and he'd be the first 389 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: guy to tell you. And I would have told Derek 390 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: if you would advise me, should I go to the 391 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints with Dennis Allen, Like, I don't know 392 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: if that's a great idea, man, this might be your 393 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: one last shot of getting an opportunity to be a 394 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: long term starter and getting some money. 395 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: And obviously Monday. 396 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: Talk shit walks and they gave him seventy eighty million 397 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: dollars guaranteed and he said yes, And now a couple 398 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 3: years later he's retired. So crazy story. You never know 399 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: what's going to happen in this league. 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Go to vicetv dot 409 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: com to find your cable channel. 410 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: I actually really want to go to to Allegiance Stadium 411 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: in Vegas. 412 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: I have been to Vegas so many. 413 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: Times in the last three or four years, and every 414 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 3: time I see it it looks it just looks cool 415 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 3: on the outside and obviously on the inside it by 416 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: all accounts anyone listening that has been there. I actually 417 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: played golf today with a guy who has gone to 418 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 3: a game there. 419 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: He's a Bears fan. I know a lot of people 420 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: have been games and they just say plays badass. 421 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 3: So if you ever want to make a little weekend 422 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: trip out of Vegas, that stadium is pretty freaking cool. 423 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: I mean it hosts other events as well, but I 424 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: do speaking of you know, the Raiders in the AFC West. 425 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: If I would have told you even a decade ago, 426 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: when Andy Reid and Alex Smith were consistently a ten 427 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: to eleven win team and going to the playoffs, that 428 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: they would land this quarterback and he would turn them 429 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: in to the number one brand in football like that 430 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: is so insane, And I think the power of the NFL. 431 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: And we talk a lot about this, like as I'm 432 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: recording this right now, the Knicks are playing and whether 433 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they're gonna win a night, but even 434 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: if they don't win a night that I'm sure they'll 435 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 3: win Game six with Tatum out. 436 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: They're just a massive brand that. 437 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: They're one of the biggest brands despite losing a lot 438 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: the moment they get good because of their market and 439 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: because of the quantity of the fan base. We use 440 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: the Yankees a lot, like it was a really big 441 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: deal last year in the World Series. I don't know 442 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: to have the Yankees and the Dodgers. Why historic brands. 443 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: The Yankees have been winning since like Babe Ruth in 444 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: the early twenties. The Dodgers are also been winning well 445 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: before I was alive. And they just have a large 446 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 3: quantity of fans. So it is way more powerful to 447 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: have those two teams in the World Series than other teams. 448 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: Without the amount of amount of fans. It's why the 449 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: last year's World Series. 450 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 3: That huge numbers, and basketball and baseball are so dependent on. 451 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: The big boy brands. 452 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: It's like if the Lakers played the Knicks, be no 453 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 3: different than the Dodgers and the Yankees, it would be 454 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: incredible do historic numbers. The NFL has found a way. 455 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: I mean, think about this. Two of the biggest brands 456 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: in the NFL are in Green Bay, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 457 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: It's because those two franchises, I mean, the Packers are 458 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: also historic brand and haven't really lost for thirty plus years. 459 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: And the Steelers have been winning since seventies. I don't 460 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: mean Super Bowls, but just winning, so you accumulate a 461 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 3: lot of fans by a bandwagon. The Chiefs over the 462 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 3: course of like six or seven years of starting Patrick 463 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 3: Mahomes have turned into a team. Five of the first 464 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: eight weeks they are on Primetime Week one Brazil, YouTube 465 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: standalone games, Week three at Giants Sunday Night Football. Week 466 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: five at Jacksonville Monday Night Football Week six, Detroit Sunday 467 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: Night Football Week eight, Washington Monday Night Football. Now, the Giants, 468 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: in theory, if they're good, are a big time. They've 469 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: been terrible for over a decade. So you just put 470 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 3: the Chiefs on Sunday Night and Monday Night against the 471 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: Giants and the Jags, like, we're good because no matter what, 472 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: even if those teams suck, we got Mahomes. And it's 473 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 3: just crazy how it's become like this because in a 474 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: short period of time they have become you know, I 475 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: think a lot of people get tired of like why 476 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: are we going to talk about the Cowboys? 477 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: Why do we got to talk about the Cowboys? 478 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: Because this is all a numbers game, and there's a 479 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: reason historically, like they just got more fans. Now it 480 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: gets to the point like last year, if you're gonna 481 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: suck like that and if you're not good again, we 482 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: got to be able to talk about other teams. And 483 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: the Chiefs are like, hey, well we will enter the chat, 484 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: and they have and it's pretty clear that and I 485 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: don't even five of the first eight weeks. They also 486 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: play on Thanksgiving and Christmas, So it tells you everything 487 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 3: you need to know. They wet the beak of end 488 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: and ESPN and even YouTube. They also take care of 489 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: Netflix and Amazon. It truly is incredible how fast they 490 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: have become just a behemoth of a cash cow for 491 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: the league. You put him on television listen, Andy's been winning. 492 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: For almost thirty years now. 493 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: But to me, their secret sauce and you could also 494 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: call it a combination of like Mahomes the biggest star 495 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL, He's the biggest name in the NFL, 496 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: and I don't think you can dispute, even if it 497 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 3: annoys people when they show him on Travis dating her 498 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: is kind of a big deal. I do think that 499 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: plays a part into the power of this brand because 500 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: I don't exactly know where Kansas City falls on the 501 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: size of some of these markets, like the La Rams Now, 502 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: granted they've moved around a little bit, but they've been 503 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: good now since Sean McVay got there. They don't get 504 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: treated like this, So it really is crazy how big 505 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 3: Mahomes and Taylor Swift slash Kelsey have turned this franchise 506 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: into the Other thing I find pretty fascinating is, and 507 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: we've been talking about this for a while and listen, 508 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: I've benefited from this. My life has directly benefited because 509 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 3: of technology and it changed my life because I can 510 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: do a podcast from a home office that goes on 511 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: this phone that you guys make sure nothing crazy is 512 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: up there, that you guys can listen to. And obviously 513 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: YouTube has been incredible for the podcast business. Again, but 514 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 3: forever in the NFL, like you took care of your 515 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 3: main partners, and in the NFL they make their money 516 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: from NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox. That is like, listen, 517 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: you'd be like, well, the NFL doesn't care what anyone thinks, 518 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: true except pissing those people off. Why because they write 519 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: enormous checks. Well, over the course, I would say of 520 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 3: the last decade, Amazon clearly got into the streaming world. 521 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: They now have Thursday Night football. 522 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: Netflix had been around, they dabbled in the live events 523 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: and then a couple of years ago like yeah we're 524 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: interested in football. It's like, oh shit, the power of YouTube. 525 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: Now the NFL gives Netflix these two Christmas Day games. 526 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: They're good games. I mean, Dallas might not be any good, 527 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: but they get Dallas at Washington, which will crush Detroit 528 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: at Minnesota. I mean that game last year was for 529 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: the number one overall seed in the NFC in Denver 530 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 3: at Kansas City, the NFL's current biggest brand, against a 531 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: playoff team in Denver, which also, if they're good, is 532 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: a big deal. So they are taking care of Netflix 533 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 3: and Amazon at a pretty high level. And if I'm 534 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 3: Fox and I'm CBS and I'm NBC, clearly, the way 535 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: these wins have changed over the course the last five 536 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: six years, we all know the cable bundle is not 537 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: going to exist. And it's why I did defend the 538 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 3: NFL a couple of years ago for putting I think 539 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 3: it was Chiefs Dolphins on Peacock. It's like, listen, I 540 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: don't love having to give twenty bucks for one game 541 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: of Peacock, and I technically already owned because they had 542 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 3: some golf events. But what I love this just to 543 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: be on regular NBC. Sure, but I also don't live 544 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: under rock and understand that like NBC, the network is 545 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: not going to exist. And at the NFL, like the 546 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 3: older the patriarchs of the family, the Jerry Jones is, 547 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 3: the Al Davis is the the whatever, the oldest Rooney, 548 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: like the old the Spanos's dad, the people that got 549 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: in and when the business started taking off, it was 550 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 3: all the networks. Well now it's like, hey, Amazon, Google 551 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: and Netflix. They got way more money than these people. 552 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they also have a way bigger reach. So 553 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: one thing that is clearly inevitable. I mean Amazon, the 554 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: got in on a Thursday night game. They're now getting. 555 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: They got a Black Friday game this year, which is 556 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: obviously big for them. I think they had that last 557 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: year as well. They have the Amazon Night game on Christmas. 558 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 3: To me, the YouTube thing week one Chiefs Chargers is fascinating, Like, 559 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: I mean, we all know, most of you. I'm sure 560 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: someone asked me the other day like how much time 561 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 3: do you spend on Twitter? And I'm like, honestly, if 562 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sitting at my desk, I used to spend 563 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: you know, I would say ten eight, you know, seven 564 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: years ago a lot. And I think over the last 565 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: several years, the majority of time, even if I'm sitting 566 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: at my desk and definitely on my phone, the first 567 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: app I go do is either Instagram or YouTube. And 568 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: the NFL knows this, and they look like how much 569 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: money does Google have an unlimited amount? Yet we're gonna 570 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: start doing business with you. So if I was and 571 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: Lessen not. Fox changed my life. When I was a kid, 572 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: they got if you're my age, you know, forty, a 573 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: little younger and definitely older. You remember when Fox got 574 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 3: into the NFL, and it was I think ninety three 575 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: or ninety four, they signed John Madden. They come in 576 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: right as the forty nine ers and the Cowboys, I mean, 577 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: the Cowboys are starting this little five year dynasty. The 578 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: forty nine Ers had been winning for fifteen years. Farv 579 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: gets traded to Green Bay. It was the perfect storm 580 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: and it was an incredible move for Fox for the NFL. 581 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: It worked out perfectly, and they have been very loyal 582 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: to them forever. And now look at Fox. They try 583 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: really hard. They get Tom Brady. I saw Tom brady schedule. 584 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 3: Obviously a bunch of Cowboy games, the occasional like forty 585 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: nine or Eagle game, but it's the Cowboys win or lose. 586 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: The NFC they always lean with the Cowboys. But that 587 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: was a really, really big deal. And I think these 588 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: people and obviously these networks know, but they got to 589 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: be a little nervous now, like Netflix isn't just dipping 590 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 3: their toe in the water. 591 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: And here's the other thing the league has done. 592 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: They have given these Like if you put a game 593 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: on Netflix, like just a random game on Sunday afternoon 594 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: and there were multiple other games, it would not. 595 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: Be as powerful. 596 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: Amazon was smart getting the primetime package whatever several years 597 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: ago on Thursday Night. 598 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: You don't have to compete against anybody. 599 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: The NFL was smart, Like, that's what we want you 600 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: to have. Because if you told me that, like, oh, 601 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: the Giants are playing the Jags, you know, one of 602 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: the ten am games on Amazon, you know what I 603 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: would do, and you would do more than likely, especially 604 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: if we didn't have money on the game, or you 605 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: didn't have a player on the fantasy team, you might 606 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 3: not put it on one of your televisions. Yet they 607 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 3: give all these streaming platforms Netflix, Amazon, and this YouTube. 608 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 3: You're not competing against anybody else. So even depending on 609 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: your setup at home, it's not a pain in the 610 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: ass at all because it's the only game on so 611 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 3: as we've seen the only game on television, especially if 612 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: it's the Cowboys or the Lions versus Minnesota, or the 613 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: Chiefs or the Chiefs versus Hardball, we know these games 614 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: are gonna do great because they're big time games with 615 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: big time people, either coaches or star players, and they're 616 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: gonna crush. So you're not only wetting their beak, you're 617 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: making them realize, Like God, this is a powerful fucking product. 618 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: Because whenever this new negotiation happens, which I think as 619 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: an opportunity in twenty twenty nine, I just wonder how 620 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: big of a player Fox and NBC and CBS are 621 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: gonna be able to compete against this, because the more 622 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: and more that these people get a taste of it, 623 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: it's like, God, did you see the numbers that Patrick 624 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: Mahomes and Jim Harbaugh did on YouTube? I'm speaking as 625 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: if I was like a Google executive. It's like, maybe 626 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 3: we should have asked for a couple more games. YouTube 627 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: TV's already in bed because they have the Direct TV. 628 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: You know, not it's not Direct TV, but what Direct 629 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: TV used to have the NFL package. I'm sure, like 630 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 3: many of you watch it every week. 631 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 632 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: So it's to me, I'm fascinated by these streaming platforms that, 633 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, Amazon clearly is not going away, and Netflix 634 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: getting more and more involved, and I think Florio wrote 635 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: about this, they're just stealing games away that would have Like, 636 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: where do you think Detroit and Minnesota would have been 637 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: if the Christmas Games had never existed in the league's Like, listen, well, 638 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: Adam Silver, you just you guys can handle Christmas. 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And I think two 688 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 3: things that have happened over the last couple days is 689 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson basically went on record with Adam Schefter today 690 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 3: discussing his displeasure that no one has talked to him 691 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: since the draft. There have been no communications on a 692 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 3: new contract. That sounds kind of crazy. When you read 693 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 3: the headline, you realize the draft was like two and 694 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 3: a half weeks ago. It's like we're acting like this 695 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: was four months ago. I don't think it's that crazy. 696 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: We're focused on the draft and we're focused on getting 697 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: the guys in. I don't think that's the craziest thing, 698 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 3: and we'll dive into that in a second. But the 699 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 3: bigger story was the Bengals first round pick Shamar Stewart, 700 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 3: the really physically gifted player from Texas A and m 701 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 3: athletic freak, didn't really produce at the level of his athleticism, 702 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 3: but was drafted seventeenth overall and pretty intriguing draft pick. 703 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 3: It's either kind of a boom or bus. Feels like 704 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 3: they're swinging for the fences. Don't hate it, don't love it, 705 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 3: understand it. Ad pick seventeen. 706 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: Don't hate it. 707 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 3: He did not practice this week at rookie Mini camp, 708 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 3: which is kind of crazy, given that everyone practices if 709 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: they're healthy. He just stood there and watched. So like, 710 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 3: given that this is a borderline unprecedented situation, I had 711 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: to do some digging. There was an article today in 712 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Inquirer that one of the issues because I 713 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: thought one of the reasons all these guys practice not 714 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: because most of them have their rookie deal signed before 715 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 3: Rookie Mini caamp. 716 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 2: They do not. 717 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 3: They typically get an injury waiver, so if something catastrophic 718 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: were to happen that they would be covered. And the 719 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 3: reality is The type of practice that you have now 720 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 3: at these rookie mini camps is a joke. I mean, 721 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 3: OTA's in general is nowhere near what it used to 722 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 3: be and the majority of this stuff is walk through 723 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 3: mental stuff. The chances of people getting hurt now are very, 724 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 3: very slim. Still, football still definitely a risk, and at 725 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 3: any moment someone could fall on you things that are 726 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: out of your control. So it's like there is some 727 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: understanding of a risk that you are taking now. The 728 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 3: issue that the Inquirer reported was everything is slotted now, right. 729 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 3: I just read that the Seattle Seahawks have signed the 730 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 3: North Dakota State Guard, who is the eighteenth overall pick. 731 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 3: So you are seeing rookie sign left and right. 732 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 2: What are you really arguing over? You can argue over. 733 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 3: Dates in which bonuses are paid, right, I give you 734 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 3: a signing bonus, How we pro rate that, how it's paid, 735 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 3: the percentage in which it's paid, and injury guarantees has 736 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 3: been an issue somewhat that teams have butted heads on. Well, Cincinnati, 737 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 3: I guess had offered Stewart a lower percentage than Dallas 738 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: Turner got in the same slot last year from the Vikings. 739 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: So He's like, at most we should just be. 740 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 3: On par with that. There is a precedent set. So 741 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: while I will get into defending Cincinnati a little bit, 742 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 3: when it comes to Trey, this one feels like, listen, 743 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: part of the negotiation should be a little back and forth. 744 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 3: Shouldn't really be any with this. This should be pretty 745 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 3: black and white, like what are we doing. It's one 746 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 3: thing to low ball player that's a free agent because 747 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 3: he's high balling you and you end up meeting. 748 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 2: In the middle. 749 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: As high ball even a term, you know what I mean. 750 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 3: He comes in low, I come in high, and we 751 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 3: eventually know we're gonna meet in the middle. Right, you 752 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: list your house overpriced for a million dollars, I come 753 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 3: in at eight fifty. I know we're gonna end up 754 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 3: meeting at nine twenty eight, and be cool with it. 755 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 3: I know you'll take it. Your agent's already told my agent. 756 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 3: They're like, listen, if you can just get close to 757 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 3: the nine to fifty number, I said, listen, I'll come 758 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 3: up a little before nine. 759 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 2: But we're gonna meet in the middle. That's not what 760 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 2: this is. These things are slotted in Cincinnati. 761 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 3: Like I think sometimes when you get a negative, there's 762 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 3: like a narrative or a talking point about you as 763 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 3: a human being, as a company, as a franchise. It's 764 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 3: hard to shake that right. And I would say when 765 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 3: people think about Cincinnati, their first reaction is somewhat negative. 766 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 3: It's like, ah, kind of a low level franchise, so 767 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 3: when this story comes out, it's easy for everyone to 768 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 3: pile on them. Where if you're a high level franchise, 769 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 3: Like if I had told you that Howie Rosman or 770 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 3: Less Sneed was in a standoff about a situation like this, 771 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 3: those guys would get the benefit of the doubt. 772 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: You'd be like, what's up with that fucking agent? And 773 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: here's the reality of agents. 774 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 3: The agent of the player does not give a shit 775 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 3: about the team. 776 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 2: That is not his job. 777 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: I think sometimes they overhype, like I love my guys, 778 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: I love my relationship. No, you're in the business of 779 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 3: getting your two five, whatever your points are on the 780 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 3: deal to make money so that your seventeen year old 781 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 3: drives some mercedes as well. Like, this is a business, 782 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 3: let's not get it twisted. You can say it's a 783 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 3: human business, and it is. You're representing players, but you 784 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 3: wouldn't be doing this You're not doing this for charity here, 785 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 3: You're doing it because there's a lot of money on 786 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 3: the line, and ideally you're buying it early to get 787 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 3: that second contract and really go che ching. So like, 788 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 3: the objective of the agent and the objective of the 789 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 3: team are never going to be the same. The team 790 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: only cares about doing what's best short and long term 791 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 3: for the franchise and trying to win. The agent just 792 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 3: does not give a shit the player he represents mit, 793 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: but the agent does not. 794 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 2: But in a. 795 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 3: Situation like this, like I'm sorry, bad look for the Bengals. 796 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 3: Also just bizarre, like of course this happens to the Bengals. 797 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 2: Now. 798 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 3: The Trey Hendrickson thing is a little uh. I would say, 799 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 3: there's a little more gray area. He's thirty years old, 800 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 3: will be thirty one, just had a career two years 801 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 3: where he had thirty five sacks. Would you be in 802 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 3: the business of giving one hundred plus million dollars to 803 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 3: a guy that broke out in his career at twenty 804 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 3: nine and thirty years old, Because I don't know, I 805 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 3: might struggle with that, Like it'd be one thing. It's like, 806 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 3: hey man, you could get me for two years and 807 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 3: sixty million dollars. 808 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 2: I don't think he's signing that contract. 809 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 3: He's looking at Max Crosby, he's looking at Miles Garrett 810 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 3: like he wants a long term, huge deal. And while 811 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 3: they just signed their two wide receivers, those guys are 812 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 3: younger players. Trey Hendrickson was not a guy they drafted. 813 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 3: He was a guy they got because it did not 814 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 3: work out for him in his first stop, and part 815 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 3: of that was injuries, part of that was just figuring 816 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 3: out how to become a pass rusher. And he's coming 817 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 3: to his own and he's been an excellent dominant player. 818 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 3: But I do understand if I ran the organization, and 819 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 3: I think this is how it would be if the 820 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 3: Ravens ran it, if the Eagles ran it, if the 821 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 3: Chiefs ran it. This isn't just a no brainer here, Trey, 822 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 3: here's your blank check. And I think for him, and 823 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 3: I saw JJ Watt tweeting like, of course, they told him, 824 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 3: have another big year and then we'll take care of you. 825 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's this business. 826 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 3: You know, this is one of those things. If it's 827 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: a little more complicated than just give him a bunch 828 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 3: of money, like ultimately, t Higgins is getting a lot 829 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 3: of money no matter what. The Bengals just had to decide, like, 830 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 3: are we going to invest a lot of money in 831 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: two players at the same position. This is one of 832 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 3: those where even good teams would be like, Yeah, we're 833 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 3: gonna hesitate on giving an older player that much money. Now, 834 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 3: maybe he goes on to have three more years no injuries, 835 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 3: kicks ass, and you look back and go, got it 836 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 3: a no brainer? What if, like you're a year and 837 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 3: a half in, You're like, God, he's already banged up 838 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 3: again because he was early on in his career. So 839 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 3: I think it's easy for him to come out and 840 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 3: kind of paint the Bengals as the bad guy, and 841 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 3: no one is going to defend them because of what's 842 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 3: going on with their rookie. But I do think this 843 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 3: situation is a little more complicated, and they're going, you're 844 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,919 Speaker 3: not a free agent. It's not like we're franchising you. 845 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 3: You're on a contract for fifteen million dollars like we've 846 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 3: already now. Listen, their owner's daughter had made some comments 847 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 3: a while back that not the way I would do business. 848 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 3: But I also think Trey coming out like this, I 849 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 3: don't think that's helping his cause either. So I think 850 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 3: this is a more complicated situation, and it's easy for 851 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 3: every swinging dick on television that played in the league 852 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 3: to go like. 853 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 2: He's getting screwed. 854 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 3: He is getting fucking railroaded. And that's gonna be the 855 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 3: majority of shows you're gonna turn it on and listen. 856 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 3: Is he underpaid if they make him play at fifteen million, 857 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 3: one thousand percent? 858 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 2: But like, what's he looking for? What deal would he 859 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 2: be willing to sign? 860 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 3: Because if he goes Max Crosby or Miles Garrett, I 861 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 3: gotta say, no, dog, not for me. And the problem 862 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 3: is if you're the Bengals, like what's his market? 863 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 2: Does he have a lot of teams? 864 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 3: I know a lot of Lions fans hit me up 865 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 3: like when are we gonna do something big? Like what 866 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 3: are the Lions gonna trade a first round pick and 867 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 3: give him a hundred million dollars? 868 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 2: No chance, so, cause that would be crazy business. The Rams. 869 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 3: Maybe they get back to their roots. They got two 870 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 3: first round picks. You never know, But I don't think 871 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 3: that one is as as like black and white, right 872 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,439 Speaker 3: and wrong, you know, judging each side as I feel 873 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 3: like it's made out to be on the interwhip. The 874 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 3: volume