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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think this episode

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Speaker 1: is going to be somewhat of a I guess, explosive episode,

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Speaker 1: somewhat of a mind opening episode, because I've talked quite

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Speaker 1: a bit about how biased the media is, but now

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Speaker 1: we have someone from Michigan who experienced it first hand.

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Speaker 1: Had Tom Jordan is with me. He is a Michigan

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Speaker 1: based talk show host and he's launching a new show

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Speaker 1: this month. It's called Tom Jordan Live. But he was

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Speaker 1: one of the top radio hosts in Detroit at what

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Speaker 1: we thought was a conservative station. And I have to

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Speaker 1: say I went on the station multiple times while I

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Speaker 1: the hosts, even though it was supposed to be conservative.

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Speaker 1: The station is called WJR, and I applaud you Tom

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Speaker 1: for coming on and talking about this because it's hard.

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Speaker 1: And I think that when I was running, as I

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Speaker 1: through with the hosts there who were always trying to

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Speaker 1: paint into a corner and say, oh, no, you're wrong

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Speaker 1: because of this, and you're thinking, wait a minute, I

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Speaker 1: thought this was supposed to be the open radio station,

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Speaker 1: the non biased radio station, but you're here today to

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Speaker 1: say you actually had some pushback even behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tudor, first of all, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: And you've been very openly discussing this issue for quite

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Speaker 2: some time and I have as well. And I don't

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Speaker 2: want to represent like as if WJR is the only

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Speaker 2: station or media out of that's like this. This is

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Speaker 2: systemic throughout our society. And I think what people. I

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Speaker 2: spoke to a gentleman the other day who asked me

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Speaker 2: because is it true. Do you think that the media

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Speaker 2: has some sort of bias to it? Because I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of sensing that. I'm like, are you kidding? Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: maybe it goes back many years. I think it goes

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Speaker 2: back to this whole issue of free speech and you know,

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Speaker 2: the First Amendment, freedom of the press, and those kinds

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Speaker 2: free speech, if you suppress speech any type of way,

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Speaker 2: you're effectively granting more power to the maybe the political elites,

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Speaker 2: the ones who happened to be empowered during that time.

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Speaker 2: and you start accepting whatever is being told to you

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Speaker 2: because it comes down to one single narrative that we're

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Speaker 2: it used to be a whole world of different ideas

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Speaker 2: a free speech and that has changed or quite I

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Speaker 2: would say it's been going on a long time, but

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Speaker 2: it really reared its ugly head in twenty twenty, which

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Speaker 2: I know you've witnessed it well. I think that's what

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Speaker 2: inspired you to run for governor because you saw what

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Speaker 2: was happening in our state, in the state of Michigan,

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Speaker 2: and there are three critical things that happened that year.

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Speaker 2: It was a residential election year. The media, including the

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Speaker 2: outlet I worked at at the time, and most of

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Speaker 2: suppressing the entire side for the most part because of

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Speaker 2: at the same time, President Biden got a pass on

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Speaker 2: all the allegations of corruption that were going on throughout

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you look at the laptop, you look

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Speaker 1: at all those things. Yeah, that was all buried. But

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Speaker 1: the only time you had a government official going to

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Speaker 1: You've got to stop these people from talking. But what

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Speaker 1: punishment could just be w You're not going to have

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Speaker 1: this should be not This should be a situation where

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Speaker 1: even the leftist media is saying, Okay, we're not going

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And they're the party that says they're trying to

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Speaker 2: protect democracy and have Kamala hair even get in the

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Speaker 2: position sheason now she certainly didn't win a single vote

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Speaker 2: She has never won a primary, and somehow she is

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Speaker 2: the candidate for the Democratic Party. But the media is

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Speaker 2: playing cover. If you just kind of I think rightfully

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Speaker 2: by it. Donald Trump, I'll give you an example of

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Speaker 2: this is just every day Like so, the company I

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Speaker 2: was working for at the time was CBS News, and

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Speaker 2: CBS News is known as this, you know, gold standard

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Speaker 2: I saw the interworkings of CBS News and then how

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Speaker 2: it funneled down to our station in Detroit, a CBS

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Speaker 2: News station, and we weren't doing journalism. So even today.

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Speaker 1: They explain what you mean by that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what in twenty twenty the news room was

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Speaker 2: probably about ninety seven ninety eight percent probably registered Democrats,

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Speaker 2: very liberal reporters. Now, so that's the same thing at

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Speaker 2: the network level CBS News. So a lot of the

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Speaker 2: information they would cover Donald Trump on a daily basis,

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Speaker 2: more objective. There was so much pushback in that newsroom.

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Speaker 2: In the news room it was a twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: There was so much pushback to covering both sides of

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Speaker 2: a presidential electioneer. Okay, So there was that. Then there

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Speaker 2: was COVID that came in and we were told specifically

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Speaker 2: that we had to support not just in our personal lives,

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Speaker 2: but publicly on the air the lockdowns that were occurring

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Speaker 2: the fifteen days, you know, to flatten the curve kind

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Speaker 2: little kids were very unlikely to get not even you know,

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Speaker 2: show symptoms. The most vulnerable population were the elderly in

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Speaker 2: the state. Governor Gretchen Whitmer's policies allowed COVID patients to

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Speaker 1: Well, and let's be honest about that, because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: as though we didn't have any scientific data to go from,

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Speaker 1: of Science, all of that. Beloney. Brian Kemp of Georgia,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about this. But then you watch a

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Speaker 1: right there. Kids are going back to school, they're not

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Speaker 2: Yes, So when I saw Gretchen Wimer making all these mandates,

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Speaker 2: and I also played some sound soundbites from the National

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty who was warning and said, I've spoken

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Speaker 2: years after the quarantine is lifted. They all had this information,

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Speaker 2: how could you not believe that? Look at her live

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Speaker 2: There's no way she believes it, and that's given her

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Speaker 2: at that point I realized we are we are in

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Speaker 2: If you look at it, and I.

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Speaker 1: Can see why you would say, okay, talk radio is

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Speaker 1: TV media who say, oh, talk radio is so dangerous

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did, and I was surprised when I first

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Speaker 2: And you can guess which issues we were allowed to

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Speaker 1: this is how short sighted the Democrat Party is because

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Speaker 1: they just want to win and they don't have anybody calling.

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Speaker 1: They actually have no fear because they don't have a

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Speaker 1: media that's going to call them out. Meanwhile, the media

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Speaker 1: not only does this, but they lie. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: not that they protect Democrats. They also lie about Republicans

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Speaker 1: and we've experienced this firsthand. I mean, just this past week,

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Speaker 1: We've had to deal with this, and I question, what

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Speaker 1: do you do when you have a media that picks

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Speaker 1: up a lie and then they they push that lie,

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Speaker 1: they push that lie about a candidate, and they help

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. I mean, they did it to me multiple times.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, they're still doing it to me. They

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Speaker 1: did to me during the race saying this maloney about

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Speaker 1: you know, this candidate says that she would she thinks

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Speaker 1: that girls should be forced to have babies and all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they knew that that was an out and

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Speaker 1: out lie that I never said that that exactly if

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Speaker 1: they had been honest about Prop three and taking away

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Speaker 1: the parental consent, they know that. What I was concerned

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Speaker 1: about was the fact that we could have abusers and

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Speaker 1: traffickers in this state that would never have to be

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Speaker 1: held accountable because there was a protection in place in

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan that said parents have to know

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Speaker 1: if a child under a certain age is coming in

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Speaker 1: to get an abortion, because parents should know if their

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Speaker 1: child was abused. They never reported on that. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: believe that candidates in the past have been told you

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Speaker 1: have no choice. You're a public figure, you can't sue

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Speaker 1: I think it's time for us to take it back

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Speaker 1: legally and go after these places and say you can't

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Speaker 1: just out and not lie about me. You can't say

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Speaker 1: these things that are not true.

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Speaker 2: At the very least, they should be exposed for people

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Speaker 2: understanding that they are not getting the truth. During your campaign,

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Speaker 2: obviously we covered it. We had you on our show

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Speaker 2: on WJR. We try to be very fair with you,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Deeds and me. But I did listen to the

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Speaker 2: other programs. I did watch the other outlets when it

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Speaker 2: came to Tutor Dixon as this extremist, and I thought, no,

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Speaker 2: she's actually a conservative, and that's the opposite of extremism.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to conserve what are just primarily American values.

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Speaker 2: And the way that it's mischaracterized and these issues are mischaracterized,

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Speaker 2: for example, in abortion itself is just reproductive rights, Well, no,

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Speaker 2: it's the opposite of reproduction. You're actually killing a baby

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Speaker 2: in the world. I am a staunch supporter of the

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Speaker 2: pro life movement because I do believe there's a human

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Speaker 2: in that woman's body. And yes, men should have a

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Speaker 2: right to speak up about this too. I've heard too

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Speaker 2: many men say I'm a man, I shouldn't say anything. No,

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Speaker 2: you're a man, so man talk about it and use

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Speaker 2: them they should have a right to say something.

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Speaker 1: About right exactly. And they use these examples that they go,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, there's this extreme situation, and I think that

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Speaker 1: there are extreme situations, and the problem with extreme situations

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Speaker 1: in society as it is now is that you're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to have a conversation about extreme conversations because it's

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Speaker 1: not about it the extremes. For them, you don't have

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Speaker 1: an abortion truck outside of the DNC because you're afraid

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Speaker 1: that someone ended up getting raped in their bedroom. Like that.

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Speaker 1: They're promoting this as a lifestyle, they're promoting this as

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Speaker 1: a form of birth control. And that's where you have

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Speaker 1: people in the Life Movement and her are saying, do

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Speaker 1: you not understand what this actually is? This is abortion

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Speaker 1: is not a form of birth control. But they lie

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Speaker 1: and they say that's not what we're saying until it

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Speaker 1: comes to the point where they see that they're winning.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got people like I think it was

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Speaker 1: Ashley Judd who went out and said women need to

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Speaker 1: be able to space their children out and that's why

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Speaker 1: abortion is so important. Okay, so you're admitting, yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is that's wherever it also admitted that, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is good. Abortions are good for the economy because

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Speaker 2: more women will be in financial planning. It's absurd. So

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Speaker 2: that is the real reason behind all this.

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Speaker 1: Going rare anymore.

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Speaker 2: No. In fact, even I forget her name. She's a

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Speaker 2: Democrat within the state legislature. She has at time voted

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Speaker 2: at odds with Gretchen Wimer and the other Democrats because

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Speaker 2: she believes in certain things. She has some values, and

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Speaker 2: she voted against some of these bills that were coming

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Speaker 2: through the legislature as a result of the constitutional amendment,

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Speaker 2: which Drop three allowed. That takes away the sanitary requirements

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Speaker 2: of an abortion clinic. It takes away and the informed

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Speaker 2: consent issues, It takes away the twenty four hour waiting period.

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Speaker 2: And she said, hold on a second, why are those

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Speaker 2: things considered bad. Shouldn't whenever you have a procedure, and

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Speaker 2: it is a surgical procedure, shouldn't you know all the

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Speaker 2: risks that are involved. Shouldn't you know? But maybe potentially

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Speaker 2: other options. Pro choice means you're presented different information. All

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Speaker 2: of that has been stripped away, And she was concerned

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Speaker 2: about it. But of course she had been censured before

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Speaker 2: by her own party because she just decided to take

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Speaker 2: druction of cor quin saved her life, and that was

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Speaker 2: not a good democratic talking point to take hydroxychloroquin for

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Speaker 2: COVID when you're about to die and end up reversing

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Speaker 2: the symptoms, so they cens your here for.

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Speaker 1: This, stay tuned for more with Tom Jordan. But first

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Speaker 1: because we've got more with Tom Jordan after this. That's

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Speaker 1: actually why those doctors went to the Supreme Court about mifipristone,

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Speaker 1: because they said, well, I think that you should have

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Speaker 1: to have an appointment ahead of time. They didn't say

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Speaker 1: they wanted to take away. They said they wanted to

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Speaker 1: have an appointment ahead of time. And you make me think,

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Speaker 1: because there's never been a time when I've been about

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Speaker 1: to have a procedure and I've had I've gone through cancer,

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Speaker 1: and I've had multiple surgeries, and there's never been a

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Speaker 1: point where I went into my doctor's office and they

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Speaker 1: were like, you know what we're going to cut today.

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Speaker 1: We're going in there. This is what it is. They

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Speaker 1: always said, these are your options. These are the different

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Speaker 1: options in your situation that you have and you do.

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Speaker 1: No matter what situation you're in, you generally have a

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Speaker 1: few different options that you can go through. And I

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Speaker 1: decided that I would go to a different doctor and

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Speaker 1: talk about my options with them too. I had a

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Speaker 1: waiting period. It was not I didn't see it as

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Speaker 1: a waiting period. I saw it as a time for

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Speaker 1: me to go through what a major surgery would be,

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Speaker 1: what a major decision in my life would be. And

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Speaker 1: it was, Okay, here's what we know about your situation.

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Speaker 1: We'll have another appointment here and we'll talk about it then.

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Speaker 1: And that, to me is where all healthcare should be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't we have that thinking period? Why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't we do that? And you know, I've had people say, well,

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Speaker 1: in this state, you can't have this. You can have this,

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Speaker 1: but you can't have that, and you should be able

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Speaker 1: to have everything in every state. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: had the same thing when I had cancer treatment too.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have my cancer treatment in Michigan. I had

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Speaker 1: it in Maryland because it was a better option for

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Speaker 1: me what I was doing there. And yeah, it's dunk

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Speaker 1: that I had to go there, and I had to

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Speaker 1: spend my extra time and money to get to Maryland.

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Speaker 1: But it was the best care I could get in

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Speaker 1: the moment for what I was dealing with. And so

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Speaker 1: this idea that everything should just be right at your fingertips,

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Speaker 1: I mean, life is hard and decisions are challenging, and

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Speaker 1: you have to go through things in different spaces, in

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Speaker 1: different areas. I also think that you have to look

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Speaker 1: at this situation with Roe v. Wade. They say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Trump overturned this. Let's unpack that for a second, because

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Speaker 1: what happened is in Mississippi, they changed their law from

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Speaker 1: a twenty four to twenty eight weeks to fifteen weeks,

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Speaker 1: and they knew that would go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: They knew if they fought that it would go to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. They also knew that that Roe was

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Speaker 1: decided incorrectly. They knew that the Supreme Court would have

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Speaker 1: to say that.

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Speaker 2: Was robur Ginsburg even admitted as much.

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Speaker 1: Exactly so they understood. But the bizarre thing was in Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: they only had one clinic, abortion clinic, and they only

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Speaker 1: ever performed abortions up to sixteen weeks, and their law

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Speaker 1: was up to fifteen weeks unless there were fetal abnormality

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Speaker 1: or a danger to the mother's health. So truly it

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Speaker 1: was no change. They knew what they were doing. The

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Speaker 1: Democrats overturned Roe v. Wade because they knew that they

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Speaker 1: would have the political advantage. It has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with caring about women.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and you would know more than

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Speaker 2: I do because you're a woman and I'm not. But

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Speaker 2: I sure do know a lot of women, and I

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Speaker 2: know a lot of women who are pro life. And

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Speaker 2: this notion that somehow this is all to protect women

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Speaker 2: discounts the millions and millions of women who completely disagree

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Speaker 2: with these types of policies and the interventions from the

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Speaker 2: government to allow and really promote not just another option,

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Speaker 2: really promote abortion. They want that. And you touched on that.

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Speaker 2: Being at the DNC there's a mobile abortion clinic. Come

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Speaker 2: on in, you can get and done right now. As

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is going to take a stage. Whatever is

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Speaker 2: it's a promotion of that. And I think I spoke

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Speaker 2: to a pro choice friend of mine the other day

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Speaker 2: and I explain what happens when you walk into a

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Speaker 2: planned parenthood clinic versus when you walk into a pregnancy

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Speaker 2: resource center and the kind of care and compassion and

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Speaker 2: options that are available in a pregnancy resource center to

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Speaker 2: with an maybe an unplanned pregnancy, maybe it's a teenager

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Speaker 2: and she's grieving this, and there's a lot of very

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Speaker 2: compassionate people that will walk her through it and yes,

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Speaker 2: encourage her to have the baby. But here's how we're

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Speaker 2: going to help you. Know, we're going to provide your

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Speaker 2: baby formula or diapers if you want to adopt the baby.

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Speaker 2: We have all these people willing and a waiting to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: Wait or is that a choice? Is the getting a

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Speaker 1: choice there?

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Speaker 2: Alyssi Slockin said that is dangerous to women.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: One thing they don't provide is the killing of a

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Speaker 2: baby in that young teenager's womb and explaining the ramifications.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many women have had an abortion and

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Speaker 2: are grieving still to this day, even if it was

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Speaker 2: forty years ago. They don't talk about those issues. And

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Speaker 2: I take it all back to the media of today,

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Speaker 2: is this is basicly a dereliction of duty what we

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Speaker 2: all signed up to do. I got into it because

651
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Speaker 2: I love the objectivity. I love the various dialogue of

652
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: all these consequential issues that affect everybody, I think in

653
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Speaker 2: this country at least one of them does at some point.

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Speaker 2: So let's get it all on the table there and

655
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Speaker 2: let the chips fall where they may and help people

656
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Speaker 2: decide what is the truth here through argumentation, through confrontation

657
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Speaker 2: in a respectful manner. But disagreeing with somebody doesn't mean

658
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Speaker 2: you hate them. You want to find out the truth.

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Speaker 2: And that's what journalism, I think, used to be. Now

660
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Speaker 2: it's nothing of the sort. There is a bunch of

661
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Speaker 2: activists who are being trained in these JAY schools at

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Speaker 2: various state universities around the country, and I've spoken to

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Speaker 2: many of them who say they want to get into

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Speaker 2: journalism because they want to change the world and they

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Speaker 2: want to fight back against the systemic racism that exists

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Speaker 2: in the United States of America. Like, well, that's not journalism, right,

667
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Speaker 2: that's activism. You want to be a politician, that's what

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Speaker 2: you want to do. What you're doing in this class

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Speaker 2: for that purpose, you're kind of mismatching. But that's no

670
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Speaker 2: longer the case because I'm I think the odd one

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Speaker 2: out here in that particular journalism program.

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Speaker 1: I mean we watched during the campaign, we watched outlets

673
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Speaker 1: that had historically been journalistic outlets changed overnight, become radicalized.

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Speaker 1: And I don't say that lightly. These people are not journalists.

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Speaker 1: They are radicalized against the Republican Party, and they are

676
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Speaker 1: so blatantly open about it. They don't even try to

677
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Speaker 1: hide it. If I say something, they'll twist it up

678
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Speaker 1: and put it out there. Oh gosh, this she's that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of the day, if

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Speaker 1: you look at someone who values life, values family, you're

681
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Speaker 1: probably going to get somebody who's going to look at

682
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Speaker 1: what happened with this school shooting in Georgia and say

683
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Speaker 1: enough is enough. We're going to actually sit down and say,

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Speaker 1: what are we to do? How can we put some

685
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Speaker 1: safeguards in place? Instead of just blaming the other side,

686
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Speaker 1: let's come together and talk about implementing some policies that

687
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Speaker 1: we can see how they affect this, if we can

688
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: stop these things from happening. Being someone who loves life

689
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Speaker 1: has joy about life, that should not be such a negative.

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Speaker 1: But think about where we are today. So easy to

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Speaker 1: say you're a demon if you believe that the life

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Speaker 1: of someone matters, And I mean the life of someone

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Speaker 1: no matter how old they are, if they are in

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Speaker 1: the womb, or if they are sixteen years old, or

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Speaker 1: they are fourteen years old at the state Fair, or

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Speaker 1: they are eighteen years old at a block party in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: or they're at a splash pad. I don't care who

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Speaker 1: you are. I want to make sure that you have

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Speaker 1: a great life and live life to the fullest. You're

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Speaker 1: not worried about being shot or killed, or having somebody

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Speaker 1: come into your school in the middle of the school day.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about those things. I don't

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Speaker 1: hear that. I mean if life doesn't matter, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter at any level.

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Speaker 2: You're a true conservative and you believe in the Bill

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Speaker 2: of Rights, it spells out all those individual rights that

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Speaker 2: individual people have in this country. It doesn't matter if

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Speaker 2: it's a single person in power or a large group

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Speaker 2: of massive people in power. No one, whether single or

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Speaker 2: millions of people, has a right to strip you of

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Speaker 2: your pursuit of happiness. And so we had this idea

712
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Speaker 2: that democracy just means, you know, the more people vote,

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Speaker 2: that's what gets dictated in this country. Well, no, fifty

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Speaker 2: one percent of the people cannot infringe on the rights

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Speaker 2: of forty nine percent of the people. If you're doing

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Speaker 2: something that prohibits a single individual from exercising their freedom

717
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Speaker 2: to pursue happiness, so long as they're not infringing on

718
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Speaker 2: someone else's rights, then you're violating the Constitution. And right

719
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Speaker 2: now that is happening enlarge mass in mass in the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. If enough people agree with it, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: You're in the minority now, So you have to do

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Speaker 2: what we tell you. You have to do, regardless of

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Speaker 2: what your conscience tells you. That is not democracy, maybe

724
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Speaker 2: a pure democracy, but it's certainly not constitutional republic. And

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Speaker 2: that's what our country has founded on. That's why the

726
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Constitution still matters. And that's what conservatives believe. In the

727
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Speaker 2: original reading and the intent of the original authors of

728
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Speaker 2: the Constitution, what did they believe about individuals in this country?

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Speaker 2: And I was called the other day a fascists because

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Speaker 2: I believe in this. I'm like, this is the opposite

731
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Speaker 2: of fascism. It is the direct opposite of what communists

732
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Speaker 2: want to do in this country very actively. It's the

733
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Speaker 2: direct opposite of socialism, where the government ends up being

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Speaker 2: your god who provides you everything that you need, including healthcare,

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Speaker 2: including a basic universal income, including all these different things

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Speaker 2: that the government wants to hand you. Money for childcare,

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Speaker 2: money to go put a down payment on a house,

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Speaker 2: So give you twenty five thousand dollars. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not your role. Role is to find a way

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Speaker 2: to earn that so I can buy my own house

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Speaker 2: and truly have my own property. By the way, Woodrow Wilson,

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Speaker 2: one of the original progressives, did not believe in property

743
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Speaker 2: rights because I made government too inefficient. It was harder

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Speaker 2: to get stuff done in the government if people had

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Speaker 2: property rights. He didn't believe in the three branches of government,

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Speaker 2: the separated I could.

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Speaker 1: Say that you can see that even in Harris she

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Speaker 1: wants government to own property. And you have to look

749
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Speaker 1: at this and say, this goes beyond people saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to protect healthcare and I want to protect this.

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Speaker 1: What you have to peel back the layers of the

752
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Speaker 1: onion and realize is that they're hiding your rights from you.

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Speaker 1: They're going into our inner city schools and saying you

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Speaker 1: can never achieve in this country. You do not have rights.

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Speaker 1: People will remove your rights. You don't have. You're not equal,

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Speaker 1: and we hear this all the time. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to rest until women have the same rights as men,

758
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Speaker 1: until minorities have the same rights as whites. And it's

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Speaker 1: like you are being lied to about the fact that

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Speaker 1: you don't have rights, and that allows them to control

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Speaker 1: certain groups of people. And it makes me sick when

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Speaker 1: I think about the fact that we are being told

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Speaker 1: that we have no opportunity. Look at the DNC. You've

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Speaker 1: got Michelle Obama saying, you know, there's no generational wealth

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Speaker 1: for us, and you can't achieve this. Look at she

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Speaker 1: has four homes, she was first Lady of the United States,

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Speaker 1: her husband was the president. Don't tell me you cannot

768
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Speaker 1: achieve in this country. Look at Oprah who comes out

769
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Speaker 1: and she says, I've experienced racism, I've experienced sexism, and

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Speaker 1: look at this. In this country, you can become Oprah.

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Speaker 1: Oprah is like a name that people associate with the

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Speaker 1: American dream, right, like Oprah's a word and of itself,

773
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Speaker 1: She's become an adjective, you know, like Oprah describes the

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Speaker 1: American dream. I mean the fact that they are telling

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Speaker 1: people you don't have rights by showing them that we've

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Speaker 1: actually used those rights to achieve the ultimate utopian dream

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Speaker 1: in our own lives. It's asinine, but people believe it.

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Speaker 1: And that's the frustration for me watching these things, I'm like, stop,

779
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Speaker 1: let's stop telling kids you can't become something. Let's go

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Speaker 1: into communities where they are struggling and show them exactly

781
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Speaker 1: what they can become. You can do this.

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Speaker 2: That was the whole purpose. Why you know, Donald Trump

783
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Speaker 2: and Tim Scott came into Detroit and developed these opportunities

784
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Speaker 2: zones or primarily minority communities, basically African Americans in Detroit

785
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Speaker 2: itself is like I think, the city of the ninety

786
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Speaker 2: percent African American population, and they provide They wanted people

787
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Speaker 2: to realize, Okay, you can far beyond what the government

788
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Speaker 2: says they will give you on welfare whatever to help

789
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Speaker 2: you get by. This is how you actually earn money.

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Speaker 2: This is how you become wealthy. This is how generational

791
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Speaker 2: wealth work. And you can take that money. You can

792
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: work your whole life, make millions of dollars and then

793
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Speaker 2: pass it along to your children and then your grandchildren.

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Speaker 2: Kamina Harris comes in, and you're right to say this

795
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: because she's a direct connection like Woodrow Wilson would be

796
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: thrilled to know that his dreams are coming to fruition

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Speaker 2: with a person like Kamala Harris, because she is a

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Speaker 2: full blown socialist. She's denying it right now for a

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Speaker 2: period of sixty more days or whatever it is, take

800
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Speaker 2: her plus minus a couple days there until she gets

801
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Speaker 2: in office, and she will implement the things she says

802
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: she always supports. She will rip away private insurance she

803
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: wants to do that. This is a socialist mindset and

804
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: ideology that again, the government provides everything for you don't

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Speaker 2: work on your own. And we've never seen this work.

806
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: We've always seen in socialist countries the poor remains poor,

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Speaker 2: and then everyone else joins them, and then the very top,

808
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Speaker 2: you know, half a percent of the elite in power

809
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: are the ones who become wealthy and they live luxurious

810
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Speaker 2: lifestyles while they control everybody else. That is a socialist

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Speaker 2: slash communist country, and that is what these policies will

812
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: lead to if the media doesn't call her out for

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Speaker 2: what it is. And I guess the other reason why

814
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Speaker 2: I think this is happening is because I think the

815
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Speaker 2: academic academia has taught all these new generation of journalists

816
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Speaker 2: that really what freedom is is socialism. That their rights

817
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Speaker 2: include the right to free healthcare insurance. They have a

818
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Speaker 2: right to a universal basic income. They have a right

819
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Speaker 2: to be you know, get their electricity bills paid for.

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Speaker 2: They have a right to be given a job that

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Speaker 2: is tack or funded. They have a right to free

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Speaker 2: college tuition. All of that should be forgiven because it's

823
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Speaker 2: my right to be educated. You weren't born with those rights.

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Speaker 2: Those aren't like self evident when you came out of

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Speaker 2: the womb. Those are things the government tells you they

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Speaker 2: want to give you in order to keep themselves empower

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Speaker 2: into essentially rule over your life.

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Speaker 1: Also, not the working class. These are people who have

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Speaker 1: been at government funded universities. They are thinkers. They have

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Speaker 1: never experienced it for themselves. They don't understand what that

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Speaker 1: actually means, and they don't understand that human nature is

832
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Speaker 1: not to be equal. Human nature is to do something different,

833
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Speaker 1: to create, to get better, to advance, and to personally advance.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we've had so much innovation in this country.

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Speaker 1: And that mindset stifles innovation. It creates every like you said,

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Speaker 1: everybody is no longer. It's not equally wealthy, it's equally poor,

837
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Speaker 1: and it's redistribution of wealth and its government owns everything,

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Speaker 1: and that's what we've tried to tell people, but they

839
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Speaker 1: just don't listen. We could probably talk forever. Sarah has

840
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Speaker 1: been giving me like, hey, you've gone way too long. Yes, exactly,

841
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: wrap it up, Tutor. But it's been so I really

842
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: have enjoyed having you on. It's been so interesting. So

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Speaker 1: I want people to know that you have this new show.

844
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Speaker 1: It's coming out on September sixteenth. It'll be weekdays from

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Speaker 1: nine to ten. Where do they find it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can get all the information at Tom

847
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Speaker 2: Jordanlive dot com and we'll be on all the major platforms.

848
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: It's a podcast, but we'll be on just like you are.

849
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Speaker 2: We're committed to continuing to expose on truths and real disinformation,

850
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: committed to the truth, and we're committed to the betterment

851
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: of individual people in this country, which ends up being

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Speaker 2: a better society in total. So yeah, September sixteenth, nine

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Speaker 2: am to ten am. If they don't catch a live,

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00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: it'll be available to stream throughout the day as well,

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Speaker 2: anywhere you find your podcast. That's what we will be good.

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Speaker 1: I love that because I think it's so important that people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I even see Chris Cuomo coming out now

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Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, wait a minute. When I look

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Speaker 1: at this reasonably, I'm seeing something different. And I kind

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Speaker 1: of love that the people who have been the talkers

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