1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: He wants to rap raid our podcasts. Manators beat out 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Elliott Wilson. Goodness see Elliott, good to see you be Man. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, How are you? 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Brother? Feeling great? Man? Feeling better now that we got 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: our newest guests on the show. 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Today behind the scenes person Man. The podcast people love it. 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Behind the scenes champions Man. They think they're in the 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: music industry. They're like, you know what's funny. When we 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: did that trailer, uh, we revealed I guess today was 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: one of the people we had featured in it. 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: I remember I was like. 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: Everybody's gonna want Tyler first. And one of my homies 13 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: from the old I call him the Social Squad. He 14 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: was like, oh there, Stephen Victor. Episode is first. I 15 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: was like, word, Stephen Victor. Got fans like that Stephen 16 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: Victors aren't moving. 17 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: He's so nice. 18 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: You gotta stay the name twice Victor victim Man, Victor 19 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 3: victim Man for those that don't know, Stephen Victor's man. 20 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: Where do we start with this guy? Long time manager pushing. 21 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Tea, working the clips, good Music, worked over there many 22 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: years with Kanye and uh brought the world pops Smoke. 23 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: That was a pretty good accomplishment, brought the late great 24 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: pop smoke. I think he signed producers that produced like 25 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: the biggest song in the world, the Old Town Road X. 26 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: This man does it all and like we're announcing, we're 27 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: excited to be part of the new announcement, which is 28 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: now he's getting into the sports world right beat out. 29 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, He's getting his Don kingo on. He signed 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: Davis Davis. 31 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: You know. 32 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: And he also has a Nego on his roster too, man, 33 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: Like this guy is not stopped Nego. 34 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: Man, and he's got one of the Flyers logos and 35 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: uh merch and we still get our Victor Victor Jackets. Man, 36 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: it got promise man waiting on it. Yeah, man, this 37 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: is one of these patted episodes that we stacked up. 38 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: It's a good window. But it was great about it 39 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: be is we at the time of it. It was 40 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: the beginning of the whole. Like I think rapt Caviart 41 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: set it off with Jim Jones was really bigging up 42 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: Drake and you know, put not put in respect on 43 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: pusha T's name, and that led to like what's going 44 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: on right now at the time we're taping this now, 45 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: uh Paris just had the amazing Pharrell Williams les vaton 46 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: Don reveals the new Boss shout Out version do with 47 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: recipes Virgil uh it played a new song right beat 48 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: off from the Clips. 49 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he played a new song. Wait. 50 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a solo record or if 51 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: it's like a CLIPS record. You know, I think it's 52 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: a CLIPS record. I think it's a CLIPS record. They 53 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: have both had verses on it. 54 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: Mouse Yeah, push him. 55 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: Outkay unless unlet's it's for pushing your feature in mouth. 56 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: But yees's know what I'm saying, like if we don't 57 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: know as of yet, but it sounds like he has 58 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: some subliminal shots at Jim Jones. 59 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: I guess it was based. 60 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: Off his ranking that was it Fi magazine had put 61 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: him as like one of the top best rappers. Yeah, 62 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: obviously Jim Jones has some objections to that, but it 63 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 3: was it sounded very sturgical, you know, how push you 64 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 3: could get. 65 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: He said, the reality TV is mud wrestling. 66 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: He said a lot of things. 67 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: He said he trying to get a feature out of 68 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: your out of your lane or something like that. Basically 69 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: he's supplying that, you know, Jim Jones was trying to 70 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: kiss up the Drake to get a feature, and he 71 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: had Jim. Jim made the boll statement that he didn't 72 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: consider pushing one of the top FIFTYFC. So so now 73 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: we have the song. The internet is on fire right 74 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: now at the time. Whist is coming out about this. 75 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: They wanted Jim Jones pushing Beef. Man, he want that beat? 76 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: Jim Jones pushing Beef. 77 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: I don't think I want that. 78 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: That's I'm gonnah, But. 79 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: You know, Joebo's excited. Man. 80 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: It puts his name in the conversation. Man, he put 81 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: that video up him laughing in the car like you know. 82 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: He loves it, man, veterans man, I mean not for 83 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: enough that gym has had a hell of a run 84 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years with cops, a LoJack 85 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: and fraud department. So I don't know if he's a 86 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: formidable opponent. 87 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 3: But you know, one thing about Jim is that he's 88 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: overachieved his entire career, like he's not to be in 89 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: a position that he's in right now. So you know, 90 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: salute to him, But I don't know. I think pushing 91 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: might be a little bit out of his weight class. 92 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: Respect We'll see. 93 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: I have to agree with you with that, But I 94 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: do think it's played a lot of people saying like, yo, 95 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, Jim's crazy if Jim went after jay Z 96 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: and I so go after push It And it was 97 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: like and also they're like, yo, he rhymes way better 98 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: now too. 99 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: So I never would have thought that. 100 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: On Joel Moo's Coofy Listed twenty twenty three, here we are, Here, 101 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: we are. 102 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: Man, and you know it's funny Stephen Victorm we used 103 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: to be involved with Joe, with Jim Joe's career. 104 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: Also, I know, Steven, I know Stephen Victim is like, 105 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: what's going on man? By ex guy by current guy? 106 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: That going at it like it's exciting times man. 107 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: You know. 108 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: Also Victor, you know, definitely going to enjoy the conversation 109 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: we have with him. But he's also promised us that 110 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: one of the times we're gonna get that tang Davis 111 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 2: on the Underraparated podcast. 112 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: Right, We're gonna make that happen. 113 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 3: Man. 114 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: You gotta make it happen, man, You gotta get your 115 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: gloves up, man, practice the jab and the hook. 116 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Man. 117 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: What I'm saying trying to be we try to be 118 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: the world champion, the world champions out here in the 119 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: podcast world. Man, we got to get champions on the platform. 120 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: Man, you know what I'm saying, Let's do it. 121 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: Let's get do it to Ben one of the most 122 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: prolific businessmen behind the scenes man, mister Controversy himself, mister 123 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: all hands in, mister Stephens. 124 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Victor on the Rap Rate All Podcast. 125 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Raperate Up Podcast. Elliott Wilson, you know you're 126 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: going with the man shining because it was Stephen Victim. 127 00:04:59,320 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Man. 128 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: Yes, long time coming man, supermanager extorday, you had the 129 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: hell of. 130 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: A twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three looking no different, Eliot. 131 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on major levels. Man, trying Can we just 132 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: start with this some fun of formal announcement. Man, you 133 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: just taking over the sports world? Can we start there. 134 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm taking over the sports world, 135 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: but I think I'm just trying to get It's not 136 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with sports. 137 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: It's more so just working with people that whether they're 138 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: in sports, whatever they might be in that like we 139 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: have a mutual respect for one another and there's like 140 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: a relationship there more than it is like trying to 141 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: get into different areas of business. 142 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, A gentleman known as mister 143 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah Tank Davis best box on the planet. 144 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: So they said itself, yeah, face of boxing. 145 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: So we saw that with the big fiber Garcia. I'm 146 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of Victor Victor merchants seeing human made. 147 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: Yeah Nego did in shorts. 148 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, that's still is a custom human made. 149 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 3: Like when you see someone with a Victor Victor shirt 150 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: or like a jacket's almost like a Rockefeller chain. 151 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: It's like you're down with the squad. Yeah, that's interesting 152 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: you say that because UZI said the same thing to me, 153 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I mean, you know Rockefellas, Like, 154 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I feel honored, you know what 155 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying that somebody would even mention because you know, 156 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking, I don't think we're there yet, but 157 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: the fact that someone sees your in that light. 158 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, was always your intention for Victor Victor worldwide to 159 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: get into sports or just was it like happened by happenstance. 160 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: I've always been into sports. I don't think I ever 161 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: like that was like an idea, like y'all I'm going 162 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: to venture into the sports world. I've always been into sports, 163 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: and I've always been obsessed with boxing, you know what 164 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I don't know if I would say 165 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: it's like a natural thing, but I wasn't, you know, 166 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: headed towards that are so like the opportunity presented itself. 167 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: What was your favorite boxer coming up? 168 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: Floyd? I mean before Floyd out n let me take 169 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: that back, Roy Jones. I was really into like Roy 170 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: and zab Judah, you know what I'm saying. And then 171 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: after that was Floyd like them Roy Jones rhymes must 172 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: have forgot. Yeah. I bumped into Roy Jones at a 173 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: record at university when I was interning. I bumped into 174 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: him and that was a little key starstruck. 175 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: Wow. Talk about the connection with Tank like like we 176 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: see him like he's now he's putting more so hitting 177 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: the radar. If you're not even a casual boxing. 178 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Fan, Oh yeah, he is. 179 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: Like what makes them special? And like your connection to him, I. 180 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: Think what makes him special, Like he reminds me of 181 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's like uh, I think through the 182 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: course of life you meet special people, whether you meet 183 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: them personally or you see them on TV or on Instagram. Now, 184 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: I feel like he's just one of those people. He's 185 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: just like a superstar like people. I feel like people 186 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: are born superstars and then the ones that end up 187 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: being in our face are the ones that like work 188 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: hard towards their craft, whether it's boxing, making music, whatever 189 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: it might be. I feel like he's just someone that 190 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: was born a superstar and his talent is boxing, and 191 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: he's making the most of it. So what's what is Victor? 192 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Victor's intentions of like elevating his profile and his brand 193 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: really just tapping into all the different things that he's into, 194 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: whether it's like fashion, like design, sports, and just like 195 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: helping him execute different things that he wants to do 196 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: outside of boxing. 197 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: How did you guys connect? Like you said what you 198 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: was on Instagram? 199 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, on Instagram, well, like I said, I'm like obsessed 200 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: with boxing, so I'll be boxing too, And in my 201 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: my trainer was like, Yo, your favorite boxer is like 202 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: oncase he don't really post like that if you ever noticed, 203 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you should reach out to 204 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: him whatever. So we just started like talking in in 205 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: the DM pause, you know, and then we just you know, 206 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: we developed the friendship and from there started working together. 207 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: So he did a cool campaign. I think it was 208 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: it was Hove and also Udell voiceovers. 209 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so what I can't remember if it was 210 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: me or David. I have a friend of mine, like 211 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: everyone I work with like friends named David, and he 212 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: had the idea. He was like, YO, for Tank's next fight, 213 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: we should do we should have like a director. Forgot 214 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: who the director was. He said, we should have them 215 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: direct something crazy, you know what I mean? And he 216 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: was I forgot who. He said. Yeah, he was like, 217 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: we should have someone direct something crazy and I was 218 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: like yeah, and then we should probably have like Mike 219 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Tyson or somebody like narrated or Hove, you know what 220 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was like, I was like, maybe we 221 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: should have Mike Tyson and Hove narrated, right, And then 222 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I was like, we have to find somebody to write 223 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: the script or whatever. So we took the idea to 224 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: Tank and he was like, Yo, that's fire. But before 225 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: we had we took the idea to Tank, I reached 226 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: out to a couple of scriptwriters, but then I reached 227 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: I reached out the whole first, and I was like, yeah, 228 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about doing this. You know what I'm saying. 229 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to reach out to some scriptwriters. Can I 230 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: send it to you when it's done? And he was like, yeah, 231 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: send it to me. So then we saw speaking the 232 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Tank about it and he had this video on his 233 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: phone and it was it was a speech that Whole 234 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: gave at one of his concerts and he was like, Yo, 235 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: this ship is like fire right here. So I sent 236 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: that to Jay and I was like, can you just 237 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: resay this? I was like, because he really this that. Yeah, 238 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: it came out dope. He sold my fire right. Yeah, 239 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: it came out really dope. I saw that Jay kind 240 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: of shotowed him out at his Paras show. But it 241 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: was like, I've seen Tank box him up. Yeah, what 242 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: was it? 243 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: Like? 244 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: If I see it that? 245 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: Like to be like part of that big big fight 246 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: night Vegas? 247 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: What was that? What was that? Like he was in? 248 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: It was ill for me because, like I said, I'm 249 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: obsessed with boxing, so like I used to go to 250 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: all of Floyd's fights. Oh wow, yeah, that's back when 251 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I had I was a degenerate gambler, so I would 252 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: get the tickets from the deck. It was crazy, man, 253 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: to just be a part of that moment. And even 254 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: his fight before that. But it's not what you would think, 255 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: right because like I used to watch the All Access 256 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: twenty four you know whatever with Floyd and before the 257 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: fight he would just be chilling. So I used to 258 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: think it was like the opposite. But it's the same 259 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: thing with Tang. He's like just another day, you know, 260 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: it's another day of the literally, it ain't no different 261 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: than anything else. You wouldn't think he's about to go. 262 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean I would be if it was me, I'd 263 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: be like, Hella nervous. 264 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: Well Youse's a lot of hype. 265 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: Because remember I'm I'm a I'm really into boxing, like 266 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: really really into boxing, you know what I'm saying. So 267 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: I knew there's like you feel confident. I was like, 268 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be sparring for him, you know what I'm saying, 269 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: you know, because it's not like you know, the only 270 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: thing about boxing is like everybody has a punch his chance, 271 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: especially if you can hit, if you could crack like 272 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: you can never you know what I'm saying. Because with boxing, 273 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are into boxing, like 274 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: it's really mental. So the minute you take your mind off, 275 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: it's like racing. I'll be racing too. It's like the 276 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: minute you take your mind off what's going on, that's 277 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: the split second that you could either crash or somebody 278 00:11:59,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: catch you with a. 279 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: Was how fitting it was, and with the body rare 280 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: like literally shut him down. 281 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: So I didn't, you know, I was like, there's no 282 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: way this guy he got no work, Like I was. 283 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: I bet with Swizz like I was. I was speaking 284 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: to Slits and I was he was like yo, and 285 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: I was like cool. I was like, swizzly you like, 286 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, just suspecting Ryan. But it's like 287 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: if you're driving a sports car, somebody's you know, if 288 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm in a truck and somebody's in a car, there's 289 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: no way they're gonna how. 290 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: Much you was Swiss bat. 291 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Crazy with me and we got to talk about that. 292 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: Wet either bet no vehicles. You know, I said, you 293 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: both got a collection. 294 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: Tank he called it in the seventh Yeah he did. Yeah, 295 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: did you know what was going to happen then? Like 296 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: did you feel like it was coming watching the fight? 297 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like just watching his facial watching his facial expressions, 298 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: and watching Ryan's facial expressions, I thought it was going 299 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: to be more. I like that. I thought it was 300 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: gonna be he was gonna get stopped like a round 301 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: a ninth or tenth, you know what I'm saying, because 302 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: I could tell he wasn't. He was like, Okay, I'm 303 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: gonna just play with Like I could tell his face shots, 304 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: but he's like, I'm gonna play with him. Gonn carry 305 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: him for a little okay, you know what I mean? 306 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: So you could tell, like like I said, I'm obsessed 307 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: with about you could tell when a fighter like steps 308 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: on the gas and he's trying to get him out 309 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: of it. I don't think he was trying to get 310 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: him out of there with that punch. I think that 311 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: just presented itself and he just shot. Kind of surprised 312 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: you when he didn't get up, yeah, for sure, because 313 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: I didn't even see it, Like watching it live is 314 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: different than watching it in TV. I didn't even see them. 315 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: I just seen him get on their knee pause. You know. 316 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: There was a really dope hip hop moment too when 317 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: they came out with Chief Keith was that you did 318 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: you that was all? Okay? That was his idea. 319 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: He said, somebody he did the love so so he 320 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: said he didn't want to do the I don't like 321 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: it was more rowdy or something like that. 322 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: He is interesting because when they were we were like 323 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: in the dressing room and me to league and David 324 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: were talking and he was like, Yo, he's going to 325 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: come out to Finico right one. He was like not, 326 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: he wants to do love so like, yo, he should 327 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: do such and such, And I was like, yo, you know, 328 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: as a boxer someone that's like in sports, you should 329 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: just really do what makes you feel good, regardless if 330 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be the hypist or so. Yeah, but 331 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: that was all, you know, the chief keep thing was 332 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: all he wanted to come out too. 333 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: So obviously you're a big boxing fan. Well, Victor, Victor, 334 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: get into any other sports world like the basketball, baseball, football. 335 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Nah, because you know, I feel like for me, it's 336 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: all about like the individual, whether in tennis, basketball, or baseball, 337 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know what I'm saying, Because I 338 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: feel like there got to be some level of connection, 339 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: you know what, because I got so much going on, 340 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: like to be able to folk. I feel like like, 341 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: especially in today's day and age, like you have to 342 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: be able to be successful with something. You got to 343 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: be able to like hyper focus on it or else. 344 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: It's like they know different than any other successful person 345 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: that has connections. Like, what's the difference between you and 346 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: somebody else that's successful that has the same connections that 347 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: you have. It's about like your mindset and what you 348 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: bring to the table, like your perspective. I think that's 349 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: very important. So for me, it's like not necessarily about 350 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: getting into sports. It's more about and then you know, 351 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: it's like when you're working with people, to think about Tank, 352 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: that's that's really ill is that he has an extraordinary team. 353 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: And his team he's been with for like twenty years, 354 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: so they really know him, and you know, it's not 355 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: like you know, because sometimes with like artists are just entertainers. 356 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: You have like your friends that you came up with, 357 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: so they might not necessarily be the most like experienced. 358 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: But with Tank, like he has a really good experienced team, 359 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They've been with him for 360 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: a long time. They're really really smart, so it's kind 361 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: of like it's not as difficult because you're dealing with you. 362 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: Know, it's almost like a good foundation. 363 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: He has a great foundation. Everybody around him is like 364 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: really good at their jobs. They're excellent, you know what 365 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean, And they've been with him for a long time, 366 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: so they really care for him. So I feel like 367 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff matters when. 368 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: What's the next step for him, Like there's another big 369 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: fight coming up. 370 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean he's gonna he's young, he's like 371 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: in boxing at least, so he probably got you know, 372 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep taking stepping it up. 373 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: You know, he's undefeated, right yeah. 374 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: Undefeated, like twenty nine and oh twenty seven knockouts you 375 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: see on defeating these streets to Victor. Victor the company? 376 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Can you talk about the company? What it is exactly? Yeah, 377 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean really it's just all the different things that 378 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm into music, obviously, boxing, right fashion, It's like in 379 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: all encompassing things. I just really try to focus on 380 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: things that like even with you know, I started my 381 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: career at Interscope, but where I kind of like took 382 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: the next step was managing the clips Like that was 383 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: me just being like a fan, Like I really just 384 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: trying to hyper focus on things that I'm really into, 385 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: like as a fan, Like I come into the thing 386 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: as a fan first, whatever it might be, you know 387 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: what I mean, whether it's like boxing, like Tank. I 388 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: was a huge fan of Tank before I even started 389 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: working with him, Like I was, like, so I knew 390 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: everything about him before I even met him. You know 391 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Not to be on some like stalker 392 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: Shiit same thing with like the clips. So whoever I 393 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: might work with, you know what I'm saying, Like I 394 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: just yeah, what was those. 395 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 2: Other conversations of convincing you don't push your tea that 396 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: you can manage him to take his career. 397 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: No, I never, I never would push it. I never. 398 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: I started off as a publicist, which. 399 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: Is a herald of like the people that know, like 400 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: these are the music industry. The publicists a lot of 401 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: times get shitted on right in the system, right, So 402 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: it's so rare for someone like you to break you 403 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: as a publicist and become the you know, the success 404 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: story that you are starting. 405 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: Get that. So I had to beg him to let 406 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: me be his publicist first, you know what I'm saying. 407 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: So I did it for free, and I was just like, 408 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: got you cheap. Yeah, that was the first project I 409 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: worked on. We got it for cheap e STAPs, right, 410 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just went into it. I've been Listen, 411 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm the same person I've been since I was a child. 412 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's worked out in some 413 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: areas good, it's bad, you know what I'm saying. But 414 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: I've always looked at everything the same, like just a 415 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: fan and I do all of the knowledge and I 416 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: just work super hard. I feel like I'm the I'm 417 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: like forever an intern you know what I'm saying. 418 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: Is it more like just seeing what's missing and trying 419 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: to make that happen? 420 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: What you think I'm like, Yeah, I'm just willing to 421 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: do whatever. Man, whether it's like I'll go and walk 422 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: the dog and pick up the dog shit if I 423 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: have to, you know what I'm saying. I feel like 424 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: that's gonna help the situation. Like whatever it might be, like, 425 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that, you know what I'm saying. 426 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: And you got an internship while you were attending more House, right, Yeah, what. 427 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: Was it like being in Atlanta during that time? I 428 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: wasn't so. I had an internship in Atlanta at MTV Studios, 429 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: but that wasn't ship. That was just like getting coffee. 430 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: And during the summer I had an intern in New 431 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: York when Universe was at eight twenty five and I 432 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: was interned for Plaza. Yeah World. Plaza was interning for 433 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: Hawk Islam, you know him. He had a record label, 434 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: cour University, and Drew Hill was signed there. 435 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: Maya wow, Okay, that's crazy, that's crazy. I don't know 436 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: what floor that was. 437 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: That was the seventh floor. It was either the sixth 438 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: or the seventh. Five, yeah, okay, yeah, so and then 439 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: they moved to seventeen fifty five. But yeah, I interned 440 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: there for the summer for two summers, and then that's 441 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: where I met Junior. 442 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Junior. 443 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Junior kind of gave me my first shot. Yeah. Right, 444 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: But you also came up under Tony Draper from swab House. 445 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: Right when I met Tony Draper through Pusher. 446 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: Oh okay, he was managing because he was managing the 447 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: clips while I was the publicists. 448 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 449 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: I saw something you had said that one thing you 450 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: learned from twenty is like a lot of times people 451 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: get jobs at labels and you just start spending money recklessly, right, 452 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: And Tony was the owner of the of the label, 453 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: so you felt like his approached to how he dealt 454 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: things is what you took from. 455 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's all I knew so before So I 456 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: was a publicist, right, like you said that was I 457 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it was like a low job, but I wasn't. 458 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: In like the decision making. 459 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so my knowledge of like a record label came 460 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: from Draper. It didn't come from it, and so my 461 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: so the way Draper explained it was, you know, that's 462 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: everything is your own money, you know, So that was 463 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: my knowledge, you know what I'm saying. So I feel 464 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: like the way that you're your initial learnings of things 465 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: is usually like the foundation. So that my foundation was 466 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: treat everything as if it's your own, because that's how Draper, 467 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was with Draper a lot, 468 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: and like he like instilled that in me. 469 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: Right, So those were the cues that you took going 470 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: into the relationship with the Clips then right as a 471 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: when I started, Yeah, for sure manager, m what makes 472 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: a good manager? 473 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: I've been lucky, right because I started managing Pusher after 474 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: I had like a like a five year late like 475 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: a three or four five three four or five year 476 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: relationship with him, like, so it wasn't so I knew 477 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: him as a person like with friends, you know what I'm saying. So, 478 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: I feel like the thing that makes a good managers 479 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: you have to have like a certain level of care 480 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: for the person that you're working for, you know what 481 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you have to look at them first, 482 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: and you have to always think about their their well being, 483 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: whether it's like their financial wellbeing, their personal wellbeing, their 484 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: emotional wellbeing, like their creative well being before. Like that 485 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: has to be the focus, right, you know what I'm saying. 486 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: And there from there you could kind of make decisions 487 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: that you make the best decisions from there, I feel like. 488 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: So I feel like that's the most important thing as 489 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: a manager because you're it's like you're in the service business. Right. 490 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: It's like I said, whether it's like you gotta go 491 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: walk Nigga's dog or you've got whatever you gotta do, 492 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you should be willing to 493 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: do it, you know what I mean, if that's going 494 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: to help, that's going to help further their career. And 495 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: this is the first grap group you ever managed, the first. 496 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: Also, it sports like I'm just gonna get the best 497 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: boxer that. 498 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: So I've been lucky, you know, So I feel like 499 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm I've been you know, no. 500 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: But it was challenging, like people don't understand, like you 501 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: know the clips, you have the clips right, they're a 502 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 2: successful group. You know, there was obviously drama with the 503 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 2: labels at times and stuff. Then Malice goes off and 504 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: like you know, this transition of like okay, how we're 505 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: going to turn push your t into like his own 506 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: solo entity, Like you talked about those early days of 507 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: that challenge of like you know, establishing him coming out 508 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: of a group which was his foundation. 509 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't like I gotta be honest, I've 510 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: been super fortunate because it wasn't that challenge because you 511 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: got to remember it was maybe like a three or 512 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: six month period when Malice like left the group and 513 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: when we started fucking with Kanyem. 514 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: So you're like, go to Hawaii, Yeah, Hawaii, stay there. 515 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: You feel me like half of half of a manager's job. 516 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: So it's just not fucking it up, like you know 517 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You get in a situation and you 518 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: make the most out of the situation instead of fucking 519 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: it up. 520 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: But that was the thing too, Like he was you 521 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: had sort of vision might be more clear than he did, 522 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: right in terms. 523 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: Of like oh yeah, yeah. I was like, Yo, this 524 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: is this is it, you know, because there was other 525 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: opportunities on the table, and I was like, nah, this 526 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: is saying that ship as clear as you're not leaving wire. 527 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I'm not getting you a ticket. You're staying. 528 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: This is it, you know what I'm saying. So, but 529 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: I guess where you're intent is up. 530 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: You know, when Malice decided to not continue to rap, like, 531 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: did you feel like, okay, we. 532 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: Have to no? You know, Like I remember I was 533 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: saying that I'm like forever an intern. I feel like 534 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm very I can't think of a better word to 535 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: describe it, but I'm very like childish in my thinking. 536 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Like I have like childlike optimism, and I'm a little 537 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: bit delusional. I never look at the negative, you know 538 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like the fucking house could be burned down, 539 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about something completely different, you know. So I've 540 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: always been I've always had like very very good focus 541 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: and the ability to like not think about anything that's 542 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: negative but trying to focus on the positive aspects of things. 543 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: Does that just come from being a Brooklyn native? Have 544 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: you always been that way. I think it comes from 545 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: like my upbringing, right, So my my my father's very 546 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: like straight, like everything is about like education. He's very, 547 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: very practical. And then my mom is like low key 548 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: delusional about things like she's very you know what I'm saying, 549 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: Caribbean parents. Yeah, of course, so I had both, like 550 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like my dad like superstructured, 551 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: very everything is like education, education, and my mom is 552 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: just like, oh, you know, right wherever I want, I 553 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: could like woul it, you know what I'm saying. She's 554 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: a bit but grow with BK like when the rap 555 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: become meaningful for you, like you were always a fan, 556 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: so like naw, you know, my my first my sister 557 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: put me on the wrap. She put me on a 558 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: mob deep like early on, like Mob Deep in Chop 559 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: Cort Quest. So we're talking about ninety three. Yeah, before that, 560 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I was even into music. 561 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Wow, yes, Wow, man, I 562 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: listened to NBA Boy all day. 563 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: So your sister's responsible for putting you onto all the 564 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 3: new music and stuff like that early on. 565 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: But then once I got into it, I got into it. 566 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: But Yeah, my sister put me on the wrap earlier. 567 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: And then when you were in traveling, when you were 568 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: in college or in Atlanta or even in Virginia at 569 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: some time, right. 570 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I got chipped off the boarding school, right, 571 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: But I was I was like boarding school. I was 572 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: like in a town with like a thousand people. So 573 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: how would you get into new music? Just the kids, 574 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They would be in my 575 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: dorm and like, yo, check the shit out. Like we 576 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: would just share music, you know what I'm saying, right, 577 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: and whatever was exciting at the time, like whether it 578 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: was beefing with you. It's like a soap opera. Do 579 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: you remember the first time we heard the clips? I 580 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: was in college. When when did that? When did two 581 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: thousand and two? Yes? I was in college and I 582 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: had a friend, yeah, and he was he was really 583 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: into the clips and I was like, yo, this ship 584 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: is like he grinding came out and he was like, Yo, 585 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: this ship is fire is firing. I was like, Yo, 586 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: this ship is trash. Is trash? Move that ship up 587 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: for someone. I was like, what the is that? Because 588 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: it was so different and my man was like, nah, bro, 589 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: this is wow. He just kept on playing it. He 590 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: played it so much I start I was like, oh, 591 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: this ship is actually fire. But the first time I 592 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: heard I was it was just so different, you know 593 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 594 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: Funny, It's funny how Push it still hates like the 595 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: commercial joints off there, like when the last time all that, 596 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: Like do you feel does that bug you out there? 597 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: He really hates like an artist really kind of hates 598 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: some of their catalog. That's like with big records, like nah. 599 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Because I think that he has his own taste, you 600 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's into what he's into, whether 601 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: he's making that kind of music or not. But I 602 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: don't what's up. 603 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: With the sort of the direction of like sort of 604 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: leaning into the fact that it's almost like wrestling like 605 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 2: that pushes the bad guy right, like the playing up 606 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: the joker thing that the the themon type of energy 607 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: like that. 608 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: He's well, that's not he's not playing that. That's who 609 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, you know, Push is a good guy. 610 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: We love Pusher now. He but he's like there's two 611 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: sides to the coin, right, there's always two sides. 612 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: Of a saying we're lucky to be cool with him because. 613 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: When he goes. 614 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: It's very very bad. You know what I'm saying, How 615 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: do you How does one man is that? That seems 616 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: to be probably one of the most challenging things to 617 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: manage someone like that. 618 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: I would think now because he's not like when he 619 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: goes left, there's like a reason for he doesn't go left, 620 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, there's reason for it. So 621 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: if you're just being an objective person, you assessing the situation, 622 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was a therapist, I'd be like, Okay, 623 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: I can see why he went left. It's not you know, 624 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: some people just go left because they they're angry by 625 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: something else. It's not like he's not one of those 626 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: people that takes out his frustrations about something else on 627 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: something else. Like if he goes left on you, you 628 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and he goes all the way 629 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: like he don't stop. 630 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: So how many for it for you? For When he 631 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: scored the number one album last year with Almost Dry. 632 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: It was great man, because he you know, that was important. 633 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: It was important to us. So I feel like and 634 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: anything when you accomplish your goals, it always feels good, right, 635 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: And he's been in the game for so long, you 636 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And he's never like switched, It's 637 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: never It's always been you know what I'm saying, what 638 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: he's on like, he hasn't had to conform to anything, right, 639 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: Just point about the Grammy nomination and yeah, man, the 640 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: Grammys his cap I think. So, you know I thought 641 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: he was gonna get it last year. Well this year, yeah, 642 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: the Grammy. Yeah, I thought he was gonna get it. 643 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: He's gonna get man, So what happened after what you 644 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: guys do? 645 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: After you just left? Yeah, went back to New York, 646 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: to New York, Yeah, or speak about New York. 647 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk from another New York all 648 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: it's the same to push your t's in the top 649 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 3: fifty rapper, right, how do you? 650 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: What do you? 651 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts about that? About what push your tea? 652 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: Not necessarily being a top fifty rapper. 653 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: That conversation's like you can't say he's not a top 654 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: fifty rapper. Like this guy's been twenty years, right years, 655 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and two and then in twenty twenty three. Yeah, 656 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: he's been relevant for twenty years without doing anything outside 657 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: of what he's doing. Right, you know what I'm saying, 658 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: it's like you can't say. 659 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, were you surprised that Jim said that, Jim Jones, 660 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: somebody you work with the. 661 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: Pier, right, was that surprised. I'm not surprised by anything, 662 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. 663 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: Twenty years, It's yeah, twenty years is insane. I'm the 664 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: same who else. A lot of rappers don't make it 665 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: past twenty days. Man, That's what I'm saying. In twenty years, 666 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: and he's still operating at you know, a high level. 667 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'd just say, arguably, he 668 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: how many rappers? How many relevant rappers out right now? 669 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: Right now? 670 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: Is the question? 671 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Right? So my thing is I look at at it 672 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: as who is performing at a high level and who's 673 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: making the most money? Right, That's how I judge it, 674 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: because you could be performing at a high level and 675 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: not be getting paid accurately for it. That's true, especially 676 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: in music, because there's a bunch of artists that are incredible, 677 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: but they don't you know this this artist. You can 678 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: have artists a that's the best singer or the best rapper, 679 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: but they don't they don't have the recognition or they're 680 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: not being you know, their talent doesn't match the deals 681 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: that they're getting. So I feel like when you have 682 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: the connection of the two, that's what you really want. 683 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: You want to be able to do what you do 684 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: at a high level and get paid paid for it 685 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: the way you want to be paid for it. Right. 686 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: It's like you look at any brand like you look 687 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: at Ferrari. They do exactly what they want to do 688 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: and they sell the cars at the price they want 689 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: to sell it, or it's not it's not you know, 690 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: they don't got to make a bunch of like you 691 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: don't got to make minivans like he got to make minivans. 692 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying is. 693 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: That the most is that the most awarding part because 694 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: it feels like always we push whatever you guys are doing. 695 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: It feels very uncompromising, right. 696 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: Completely uncompromising. That's the whole point of life. Right. You 697 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: want to be able to do what you want to 698 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: do and get paid for it. You don't want to 699 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: get up in the morning and be like you go 700 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: to work and you're like, fuck this job. You want 701 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: to feel good about your job, your craft. You know 702 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You want to feel good about the 703 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: people that's around you, and all the other ship is 704 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: for the birds, Like, what's the point. 705 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: Why has every Push your T album? I joke with 706 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: him about every marketing plan is like I just made 707 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: the best album of the year. Every every Push your 708 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: T album is like the whole mo is just the 709 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: best album is just a certain standard, Like that's the 710 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: marketing plan, Like I've made the best album. 711 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: Because he feels like he and he does. And that's 712 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: the thing. Right, you want to be the best at 713 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: what you do. I'm saying, once you've gotten to a 714 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: place where you're that's why if you look at anybody 715 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: that's great, whether it's Kobe, Michael, anyone, right, Floyd, Like, 716 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: once you make money, once you're at a place where 717 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: you're you're comfortable in you like, there has to be 718 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: something else that's driving you. And for people that are great, 719 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: it's you know, them wanting to be at the best. 720 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: They're competing like you guys are competing with other people 721 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: in your in your field. I'm competing with other people 722 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: in my field. Like you know what I'm saying, race 723 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: car drivers, boxes, whoever it might be. You're competing against 724 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: your peers. You want to get to that place where 725 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: you're you know, that's what's driving. It's something else driving 726 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: you other than money. You know what I'm saying. It's 727 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: always for everyone that's successful, that has impact. It's always 728 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: like a zero sum game, you know what I mean. 729 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: It's zero zero sum game. Like it's like somebody whin, 730 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: somebody loses. Like it's not you know people that are 731 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: thinking about like money. That's like once you're financially fund 732 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: no one's thinking about that, you know what I'm saying. 733 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: It's like the game amongst people. That's what's going on 734 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: out here. 735 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: I saw that you recently tweeted that no one wrapped 736 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: better than Push, said no one writes better than dream? 737 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: What do you think makes them so good at their crash? 738 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: I'm god, what do you say like when someone no 739 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: one raps better than Push? Like, what is it about pushing? 740 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: T's rhymes that just make you make that statement? 741 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: Who wraps better? I'm going to ask you better and 742 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: push your tear? You don't want my answer? Why not? 743 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: I want you? I do? Why don't I want your answer? 744 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: Tell me? I want to know. I think there's a 745 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: lot I mean, Push is dope. Tell me tell me. 746 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know he conna 747 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: start some ship. Though I listen, by the way, you 748 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,239 Speaker 1: can tell me something that probably I might shut up. 749 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: Okay, I think jay Z I think raps better than 750 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: Push your Teeth. Okay, we're talking about right right now, 751 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: talk about right now today. See I'm going off of 752 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: based off what people see. It sound like I'm coming, police, 753 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: you're coming. 754 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: Please, You're giving me context? 755 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 3: Is the context. I'm basing it off of recent releases. 756 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: And you know I'm not going off of legacy, my 757 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 3: recent releases, releases. Even though I do think Push Your 758 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: Tea had the best album of last year, I do 759 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: think Drape the Canadian, I think he does rap better 760 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 3: than Push. You know, at certain times I think, yeah. 761 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: Can Cole. 762 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: They evenly yoked, but I would put I think they're 763 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 3: like one A one B Cole. 764 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: I put cold, I think cold depending on the day, Push, 765 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: but he. 766 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: Still would have Pushed in the top five or top ten, 767 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 2: in the top ten. And we're talking skills, We're just talking. 768 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: You're talking about it. You're being objective. I'm being objective. 769 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: I think I think Push Your Tea right now is 770 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: a top ten rapper. 771 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I think he has criterior for that I'm 772 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: going off of because I said he was the best 773 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: rap of last year. So I'm basing it off of releases, 774 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: guests versus freestyles. If it's applicable just in totality, not 775 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: trying to be a no. 776 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: So even with what you're saying, that's like, you know, 777 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: someone can argue one or the other. I feel like 778 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: that in itself. 779 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's not necessarily just based off 780 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: of lyricism, you know what I mean, because if that 781 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 3: were the case, we would highlight battle rappers and we 782 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: don't really. 783 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Know, yeah for sure, because you have to have you know, 784 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: that's like in a void. 785 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, you know. I just don't think it's 786 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 3: just that, you know. But if I'm just taking everything 787 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 3: into tally, I do believe pushes in the top ten 788 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 3: for sure. 789 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: But I think what's best of all pushes, Like I mean, 790 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: they say the Coke Wrap whatever. But like he's made 791 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: he's made an art out of what his lane is, right, Yeah, 792 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: he's masterful in his lane. It feels like there's nobody 793 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: else that can kind of go in that area anymore 794 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: in a way, like that's sort of like doing. 795 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: Like the kind of thing. You know, he's difficult his 796 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: own lane. It's difficult to be doing it for that 797 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: long and keeping it at at a certain point, you know, 798 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: everybody kind of your reflexes go, right. 799 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: How do you what's your take on how we stay 800 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: so sharp as he somebody's always recorded, because you don't 801 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 2: seem like the type of artist that's recording all the time, right, 802 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: you know it was up to me. Yeah, I feel 803 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 2: like he's the guy that he goes through the ten songs. 804 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: Those are the ten songs, right, Like that's. 805 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: He lives his life. You know what I'm saying. He's 806 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: not bound by the studio. He's very you know, this 807 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: is it, that's it. And you know what I'm saying. 808 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: This going on. 809 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: He was saying like you guys are poll opposites with that, right, 810 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 2: like like you're you're different. 811 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, he's very Like like I was late, 812 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: He wouldn't he wouldn't be late. I just have so 813 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, my mind is all over the place. It 814 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: reflects in my behavior. 815 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 3: You know. 816 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 4: So it's the weird thing that when the artist is 817 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 4: like the steady more time. But I think that also 818 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 4: that's part of what why I've been able to be successful. 819 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying is that he's the way 820 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 4: he is and I'm the way I am. I think 821 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 4: the way he is allows me. 822 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: To be because otherwise if it was the opposite, you 823 00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 824 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 2: And Beat I have mentioned Dream, like, let's talk about that, Like, 825 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 2: so you're involved in Dreams? Were also like how did 826 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: that come about. 827 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: To Push your m hmm. So we developed a relationship 828 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: because he was working on Push, his first album. 829 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: You know some of those songs underrated on that first. 830 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: Album, Yeah, somebody a lot of them didn't. 831 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 3: Dream has a record with Pusher and Big Sean called Pussy. 832 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: That I really enjoyed. Yeah, the video was very nice. 833 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: But we know, we know he's very interesting man. Talk 834 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 2: about like getting to know him and building that that connect. 835 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: Same thing, Like I was a huge fan of the Dream, 836 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when I got the 837 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: opportunity to work with him with pusha like we just 838 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: had a mutual respect for one another. We became friends 839 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: like quickly, and then we started working together the same thing. 840 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: It just started off as a relationship, like a personal relationship. 841 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 2: What is it about him? That you that you think 842 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: we said no one writes better. 843 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: You haven't been in the studio him, Nah, you've been before, No, 844 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: I haven't known. Okay, so I've been in the studio 845 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: with a bunch of people. Mm hmm. And I would 846 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: say by far, like he's the most talented person. 847 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: Wow to this day, even right now for me, Yeah, 848 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, Well just you'll see him just 849 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 2: quickly craft like melodies. 850 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: And not just quickly. I mean, yeah, this guy is yeah, 851 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: because you can people can make songs quickly, but what's 852 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: the quality of the song Like this guy is like 853 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: brilliant when it comes to songwriting, like brilliant I mean 854 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: this layer like just like pushings, like layers and layers. 855 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: He's just like in another category. And he scooped up 856 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: some Grammys too though. Yeah, so you see what I'm saying, 857 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: Like he's been, he's been. He's another one that's been 858 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: around twenty years operating at a high level. Crazy, you 859 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, So, I mean how 860 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: many people do you know that can operate at a 861 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 1: high level for that long that long of a time, 862 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: especially in this industry. That shit, it's like fleeting, right 863 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The Urban Sextu music is 864 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: like that shit swings. Yeah, you know it definitely is 865 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: a temper A monkey in the zoo. He feel me? 866 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: When you said you were in the studio with Dream, 867 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: were there any records that you saw him craft that 868 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: we know all of them. They're just very like you 869 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: know what. There's been interviews where they said he wrote 870 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: Umbrella in like five minutes, went, yeah, that's how all 871 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: the records. It's like the Beyonce stuff you saw. I 872 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: wasn't in there with with Beyonce, but whenever I've been 873 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: in the studio with him, all those songs, you know 874 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He comes in, he goes into and 875 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: it's not right. He just goes into booth. 876 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: Oh he's not putting the paper or not. 877 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: No, he figures it out when he gets in there, 878 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: and it gets figured out like like that, ain't He's 879 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: not in there for six hours. He's in there for 880 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: like sixty seconds. And he'll come out with and. 881 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: What's the project? He was telling me something he's doing 882 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 2: like a movie around it or. 883 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: Something for his current one. 884 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the next album. 885 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: I don't know about the movie. But we did a 886 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: movie around his one of his projects a couple of 887 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: years ago. But he's really into film. He's just very, 888 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: very creative. This guy can you can build a house. 889 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm not joking. 890 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 3: I mean like Carpenter dreams of Carpenter's frank Ocelana in 891 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 3: real life, I really do. 892 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the fuck is going on. You're going to his 893 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: career and he'll be building cabinets. So that's the reason 894 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: why we don't have dream album. He's building the cabinet. 895 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, he's doing that. He can whatever's wrong 896 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: with the car and fix it. This guy's working about Listen. 897 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this guy's very extremely talented. That's crazy. 898 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for the dream of it. And he has 899 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: a really good taste. This is something that's underrated. M 900 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: I saw you said that. You know, you can't listen 901 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: to someone if they can't dress. How could you like 902 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: to think about it? Right, you're going to leave your 903 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: house and you're gonna put that on. That's a very 904 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: bad you start. You started to start the day off 905 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: making a very bad decision. So you're not about to 906 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: give me some advice to me, I give you some 907 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: equally bad. 908 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 3: I think to go ahead and here and fashion the music. 909 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 3: It's like if you dress badly, your taste is reflect. 910 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is bad. Like you cannot you can't listen 911 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: you you know what I'm saying, You can't listen something 912 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: else about you? You always wear the La Dodge you had? 913 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: What's that about? I don't know. I just love the color. 914 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: M you know what I'm saying. 915 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 3: Okay, Like, oh no, no affiliation. 916 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm very like everything's the same. Like I eat the 917 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: same thing, wear the same thing. I'm like obsessive with. 918 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: What if I'm obsessive with at the moment. So jay 919 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: Z has a Yankee, you have the La Dodgers. Yeah, 920 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: speaking to taste, though you also work with someone who 921 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: has great taste. Nego, how'd you convince him to do 922 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: an album? 923 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 3: Man? 924 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,959 Speaker 1: It started off with the logo, right. 925 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 2: Bold enough to ask him to do a logo, Yeah, 926 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 2: to do your logo Victor Victor worldwide right? 927 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: And then through that, you know, we developed a relationship. 928 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: And I just had this idea of him doing an 929 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: album because I was like, I mean, he used to 930 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: put music out like back in the days when ape 931 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: sounds and ship like that. But I was like, yo, 932 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: it would be really fire if he did like an album, 933 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, m M, every don't know 934 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: Neo is the founder of Bait. Yeah, yeah, I know, Nego. 935 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: It was really well received. Man, we got a clipse 936 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: song song and you know, pushed it his thing on 937 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: this on the solo record. He has the best taste 938 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: of like this guy is Yes, Wow, nobody's fucking with 939 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,959 Speaker 1: this guy. I saw that you will to his house 940 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: and it's yeah, bro, that's what I'm telling you. Nobody's 941 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: fucking with this guy. Everything is perfect, you know what 942 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like everything is done to a level of sophistication, 943 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: and m it just makes me be like, oh, I'm 944 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything in my life. I gotta reevaluate 945 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: everything right. The only person that comes close is like 946 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 1: Kanye just very I mean it's just very like everything 947 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: gotta be perfect. And if you notice it, you know 948 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, then you on the same wavelength. But 949 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: most people won't know. 950 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 2: It's just like you're talking about like detail in the room, 951 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 2: like furniture, the fucking the reveals in the. 952 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: You know what i mean, The type of like everything 953 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: is just very thoughtful. You know what I'm saying, and 954 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: I think that just like if you're that thoughtful in 955 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: your own life and like things that you're around, like 956 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: you're always going to be so you're gonna be great 957 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be surround You're going to surround yourself 958 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: with greatness. And hear me clearly was on that album, right, Yeah. 959 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: Did you know that he was going to salvage that 960 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: for almost dry Well? No, because I begged him for it, 961 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: like I was like please, Yeah, that is crazy. So 962 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: it was originally on the album and I was like please, So. 963 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 3: All the songs on the album, like did you create them? 964 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 3: Because you have like tal creator was on there. It 965 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 3: was like really soft study. Yeah. 966 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big conversations between like Me, Pharrell, 967 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: Rocky because Rocky executive producer project. Also, I think Rocky 968 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: maybe Forrell was the first person I called, and then 969 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: Rocky was the second person. And then Rocky was like, Yo, 970 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm into this, let's let's do it together. 971 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 2: That's so he said something. Nego wasn't going to work 972 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 2: somebody lest he kind of had a person relationship also 973 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 2: with the. 974 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: Person he was really on some like you know there's 975 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: people I was like, yo, this I think it's fine. 976 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 1: We should put on a good look. Sam. 977 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: Right, He was like, no, I. 978 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: Rocky exactly, you know what I mean? So yeah, I 979 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: mean we had a I had a really good time 980 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: putting that together because again it's like I'm a huge 981 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: fan of Nego, Like it's now he's your client. Yeah, 982 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,479 Speaker 1: that's so surreal. 983 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 3: Also, gonna be business owners, right, entrepreneurs, you're going to 984 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 3: restaurant together. 985 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying to bring a carry up to New York. 986 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: It's his restaurant that he has in Japan. 987 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 2: Hmm, we're gonna put away in New York. 988 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: He said, what what's it called again? Carry up? Yeah? Fire, 989 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: and you trying to bring it to New York. Yeah, 990 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 1: not trying to. We're going soa we don't try. 991 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 2: We let's do it exactly. 992 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: The Victor worldwide. We try. You know what I'm saying, 993 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: You don't try do it? And so does that happened 994 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four? 995 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 2: What's it look like? 996 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: Probably like twenty four? Okay, hopefully twenty three, but I 997 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: done it. Were already in May March, we may May. Yeah. 998 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're getting more motivated doing stuff 999 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 2: like that outside of the music, do you still have 1000 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 2: that drive in terms of, like, you know, running a label, 1001 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 2: trying to find the next star. I mean obviously you 1002 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 2: know you brought us pop smoke to the world, Like 1003 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 2: is that still part of it? Do you feel like music? 1004 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to find a news listen to music 1005 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: is the basis for all of it. Like music is, 1006 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, like they say in My First Love, So 1007 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: like music is always going to be my focus. Is 1008 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: Music's never I just feel like I'm I have ideas 1009 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: and I try to execute them. My side of music. 1010 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: I feel like I could do not do it all, 1011 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: but I can do it at the same time, like 1012 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: it works and and and you know, I just feel like, 1013 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, before like I signed pop, when I first 1014 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: started at UMG, I think maybe like I don't like 1015 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: five or six years ago, like I was just so 1016 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: excited to have my opportunity, you know what I'm saying. 1017 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes when you first get an opportunity, 1018 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of excitement and you you know 1019 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, You're just trying to do everything, and 1020 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: then kind of as you start having more success, sometimes 1021 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: it I don't want to say you get jaded, but 1022 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know it's kind of I don't know, 1023 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 1: if you get to a point. And then I remember 1024 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: I had a I was feeling really good about I 1025 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: don't remember what I had. I had just did some 1026 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: deal and I felt like really good about it. And 1027 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: I bumped into J at a party and he said 1028 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: to me, you're you're going to be great. I can 1029 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: remember how he phrased, but basically it was like, yo, 1030 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: like I see a lot in you're going to be 1031 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: great type thing, right, And I remember that night I 1032 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: went home and I was just like, I don't want 1033 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: to say pressure on me, but it made me feel 1034 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: like like, oh man, I ain't done ship I got, 1035 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, because it had like the opposite effect. I 1036 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: feel like for some people it might have been like, oh, like, nigga, 1037 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: you've made it, but for me, it I was like 1038 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I hadn't done shit. I was like, 1039 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: damn this niggas looking at me like I'm about to 1040 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: do something great now, right, Like I gotta get it together. 1041 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: And I feel like that that's the point that like 1042 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 1: sh like switched for me, and I was just like, yeah, 1043 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: I gotta like focus because again I was feeling I 1044 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: can't remember what had just happened. Maybe I had just 1045 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: got my deal, so I was feeling really good about 1046 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: something I had just done in business, right, and then 1047 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 1: he said that to me, And it was kind of 1048 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,280 Speaker 1: like at one point Jay Z offered you a situation 1049 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: at Rock Nation too. Right. It was between the time 1050 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: when I was my deal was up with Kanye and 1051 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: I was speaking to des a lot and I was 1052 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: going to go m So what ended up what it 1053 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: was is he was like, Yo, if you're not gonna 1054 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,399 Speaker 1: you should work out your situation where yay, Like that's 1055 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: what you should do, but you should you should really 1056 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: fuck with Like, don't go into one of these corporate 1057 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: buildings that might not be the best use of your 1058 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: talent because you'll get kind of put in the box. 1059 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Right, She's like, if you should, 1060 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: your first you things should be to work it out 1061 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: with him. You know what I'm saying, because obviously you 1062 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: guys do great ship together. Foks with you fuck with him, 1063 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: But if you can't come to death Row instead of yeah, 1064 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: all right, but it's ill because you know, like I said, 1065 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: I was talking to Deaths and I was like, Yo, 1066 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. This is the kind of 1067 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: situation I want. This is what I'm looking for conversation wise. 1068 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: And I mean I know now, but before before I 1069 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: went to Universal, like they were talking with her about 1070 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,439 Speaker 1: something and she was the one that gave them the kite, 1071 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,280 Speaker 1: like you should really because I was dealing because remember 1072 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: Yea Yeay's thing was he was managed by rock Nation. 1073 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: I think at the time I was dealing with with 1074 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: das on a bunch of like different matters and she 1075 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: kind of put the like helped it out? Did she 1076 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: helped out? UMG situation? I'm saying. So, I'm forever grateful 1077 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,760 Speaker 1: those guys. 1078 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,760 Speaker 2: Because you have like a direct line with this Lucing 1079 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 2: Grange guy. Man, what's that guy like in real life? 1080 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: Scared? What is he like? You never met him? No? No, 1081 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: I never met Loution Grange. 1082 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 2: Neither that he didn't want the podcast of Universe. 1083 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this guy is He's brilliant, yo, because 1084 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,720 Speaker 1: remember when before I went to Universe, I was picking 1085 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: between a bunch of different situations and when I met 1086 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: this guy, I was like, Yo, this guy is, like 1087 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: I said, you meet people in life, whether they're like athletes. Saw, yeah, 1088 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: this guy is genius level m hm, Like there's loosing 1089 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: it as everybody else. Like he's in a whole different area. 1090 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 3: Code, and he's the one that presented you the opportunity 1091 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 3: to bring Victor Victor worldwide University. 1092 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,320 Speaker 1: And at the time, it wasn't even Victor Victor. It 1093 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: was just like, yo, I'm gonna give your own situation 1094 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: and create this this job for you. Like working in 1095 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: the center at UMG where I was, I was fluting 1096 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: across like the different labels, and I was just able 1097 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: to tap into whatever you m G had going on, 1098 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: like I could tap into it. So if I had 1099 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: an idea for like TV, film, publishing, merch records, whatever 1100 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: it might be, how. 1101 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 2: Did you develop pop Smoke And did they believe right 1102 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 2: away in him? 1103 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 1: You know? Interesting you talking about Lucien right that was 1104 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: that was the only person that believed the pop went up. 1105 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: And I played it for him because when I when 1106 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: I first found him, well I didn't find it. WECo 1107 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: brought him to me, you know, and I started trying 1108 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: to get him a deal, Like nobody wanted to sign 1109 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: him because he didn't have anything going on, Like there 1110 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 1: was no metrics on it, right, but the ship was 1111 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,399 Speaker 1: his fire, you know what I'm saying, and the energy 1112 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: of it, the energy of it, the music. He was 1113 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 1: just talented, you know what I'm saying. And everyone else 1114 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, this is cool, it's fine, whatever, whatever, 1115 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: what's what's going on? Like, what's the the number? What's 1116 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,479 Speaker 1: the number? Lusen was the only person when I played 1117 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: it for him he was like, oh, this think is fire. 1118 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: You should sign him. It doesn't happen like that anymore, 1119 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 1: like a traditional signing. Yeah. That he was the only 1120 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: person that was like, he's fire. It's funny. Push yourself. 1121 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: Let Steven talks streaming. This is m number listen. I 1122 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: love that though it's weird because I'll never sign an 1123 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: artist off of it, But I know every stat m hm. 1124 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1125 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 3: So what makes you want to get into business with 1126 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 3: an artist if it's not based off of that? Just 1127 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,479 Speaker 3: like how you like the music? 1128 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same thing, like how I like the music, 1129 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: how I like the person. More important is the person, 1130 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and then the music and 1131 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 1: the talent, because you could that's the most important thing 1132 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: for me is the person. I don't give a fuck 1133 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: out talented someone might be. If they don't, if we 1134 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,919 Speaker 1: don't mess off, I feel like they're not a good 1135 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: parted person. I'm out. So what song was it that 1136 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: you heard when you heard pop Smoke that caught your attention? 1137 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't a song so with pop At the time, 1138 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: I was at Death Gym right and Rico, you know, 1139 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: you know, Rico beating right. Rico kept being like, Yo, 1140 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: I got this kid, I got this kid, you got 1141 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: to meet him. Fires from Brooklyn. And at the time, 1142 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,360 Speaker 1: like I said, I got I'd be having like a 1143 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: lot going on sometimes, so I was. I was not 1144 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: really I was kind of like rapping from Brooklyn, you 1145 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And at the time, like we're 1146 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: from Karanarsi, you know what I'm saying. He was like 1147 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 1: he's from Aranashi. I was like, nothing comes out of Karanasi, bro, 1148 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I also had that 1149 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,439 Speaker 1: in my mind, like you know what I'm saying, there's 1150 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: no there's not even public transportation out there. You gotta walk. 1151 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: You gotta walk hell of fight to catch a dollar van, 1152 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: to go to catch a bus or to catch a train. 1153 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So like to Reco kept 1154 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: just being like, Yo, you gotta meet this y. So 1155 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: finally I was like, all right, I do it. And 1156 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 1: I did it as a favor. I was like I 1157 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: just because Rico was like, Yo, I've been promising him 1158 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: this meeting and like now he's looking at me like 1159 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: a liar. I was like, okay, Rico's my man, Like 1160 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm like twenty years like you know what I'm saying. 1161 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: So I was like, I'll do it as a favor. 1162 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,359 Speaker 1: And then when I met him, I was like, you're sick. 1163 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: Is a super star. 1164 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 2: I think. 1165 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 1: Thank god Rico kept, you know, bothering me about this. 1166 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 2: So it wasn't just his presence. 1167 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: His presence more than anything because all the songs he played, 1168 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,479 Speaker 1: they were like it wasn't nothing to Joe stuff. It's 1169 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: like songs, you know what I'm saying, And they were 1170 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: just like really good songs. But more important than that, 1171 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: it was like his presence, you know what I mean. 1172 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: I was just like this nigga. I remember I called 1173 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 1: Rico when I left. I said, Yo, this nigga's a superstar. 1174 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, we gotta get him a deal. 1175 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,879 Speaker 1: We got to get him a deal, right, But yeah, 1176 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: was he He had some legal trouble too. Before. I 1177 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: didn't know about none of the legal trouble until after 1178 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,239 Speaker 1: I signed him. Wow. I was just like, Yo, this 1179 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: niggas star. We gotta sign him. And Lusien was like, 1180 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: you should sign him, So we signed him. Originally he 1181 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: was signed at the Center. He wasn't assigned to a label. 1182 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: He was just at Umgen. We say the center, what 1183 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: does that mean? So you know, Universals owns all the 1184 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: labels like def JAM, Republic, Interscope, Island Capital. It's like 1185 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of subsidiaries underneath MG, and then there's the 1186 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: Center where like Lucy In and then it has like 1187 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,320 Speaker 1: business affairs, you know, it's like the holding. It's like 1188 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's like LVM Major or whatever. They got 1189 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: those different companies within it. Gotcha, Okay, So I work 1190 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: in the Center, I don't work for a particular label. 1191 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,400 Speaker 2: You can go to each one of those, any one 1192 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:04,280 Speaker 2: of those different labels. 1193 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: So thank god for that because if not, if I 1194 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: was working at a label and I presented, they would 1195 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: have just been like unless I was the CEO of 1196 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: the company, you know, because remember I took him. I 1197 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: sent it to everyone. Everyone passed, right, so you had 1198 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,360 Speaker 1: the legal and I sent it to J too. You 1199 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. This is why, like I'll be saying, 1200 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: there's people in life that are just like special. And 1201 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: and he was like, Yo, this nigga's fire because I 1202 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: sent him the I send him like seven or eight songs. 1203 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: I think y'all just signed this kid from Brooklyn? What 1204 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: do you think? What do you think you thought? He 1205 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: was saying? He said it was fire. You know what 1206 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, so you got everyone else's co sign. 1207 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,279 Speaker 1: You felt it was good, But I knew it was good. 1208 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just I was just 1209 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 1: like the push. You feel the same way too. I 1210 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: think so because he brought him out on the show 1211 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,400 Speaker 1: so early on, very very early on. Yeah, but because 1212 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: it was so early, you know what I mean? It 1213 00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: was more so one of those things where I was like, 1214 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: am I bugging? Am? I? Just like out of my mind? 1215 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: And it was different. It was it was like very 1216 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:05,280 Speaker 1: very different. 1217 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,320 Speaker 2: Did you feel any of that, like this guy's gonna 1218 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 2: save New York hip hop? 1219 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: Rapped? Yes? Because I don't know if you remember so 1220 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,919 Speaker 1: back to the legal thing. So once we started working, 1221 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 1: he had all these cases, which is like insane. So 1222 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: the kid that came and got my car keys, right, 1223 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: So it's interesting how life works. So it's like he 1224 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 1: had like all these court cases. But more important than that, 1225 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: like with the music, I was like, yo, he because 1226 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: when we started, when I signed him and we started speaking, 1227 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 1: he was like, yo, I want to be His goal 1228 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,800 Speaker 1: was to be like Kanye. It was to be like 1229 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: a global superstar, you know what I'm saying. So I 1230 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 1: was like, yo, you know, the only way you can 1231 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: do that is by taking over a sound your hometown. 1232 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 1: So you got to be like super deliberate, and it's 1233 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: not going to be fast. It's not going to be 1234 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: easy because you have to build a foundation, and it 1235 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: takes time to build a foundation, you know, Like it 1236 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,880 Speaker 1: takes a lot of time. You got to be just 1237 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: very deliberate and you gotta you know what I'm and 1238 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 1: you got to stay the course. So that was one 1239 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: of the plans, was to be the face of New 1240 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: York and then branch from there. What was it like 1241 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: put them together that first project? You know, it was 1242 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,319 Speaker 1: like a work in progress because initially after we signed him. 1243 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: He started, he had the song Welcome to the Party. 1244 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,800 Speaker 1: Then you know what I'm saying, This shit started started buzzing. 1245 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,480 Speaker 1: So a lot of people started reaching out to him 1246 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: and wanted to work with him, whether it was like 1247 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: producers or other artists. And I remember we would have 1248 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: these meetings and I'd be like, Yo, you can't be 1249 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: over here over there. You know what I'm saying. You 1250 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: got to kind of be very centered if you try 1251 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: to like really be like Kanye or somebody like this. 1252 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: You got to really develop your own sound and be 1253 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: the person that's responsible for your success. Like you can't 1254 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 1: have an artist bigger than you. You can't get on 1255 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: the song with the artist bigger than you or put 1256 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,839 Speaker 1: them on your song, because then they're going to get 1257 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: the credit. You're not necessarily going to get the credit 1258 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: because people are going to be able to pinpoint where 1259 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: your success came from. Like they're gonna be like, oh, 1260 00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: he had a song with this person, You had a 1261 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: collaborate with that person. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1262 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: you got to get your own fan base, whether that 1263 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: is five people, yo, five hundred thousand people initially, but 1264 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: you have to be you know what I'm saying, the 1265 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,239 Speaker 1: bulk of your fans have to be have to find you. 1266 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: They can't find you through your collaboration with I don't 1267 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: know a song with any like B level or A 1268 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: level artist, you know what I'm saying. 1269 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 2: So he was like, I'm not clearing that. 1270 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 1: Was good. I was like, Yo, we gotta be very 1271 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,560 Speaker 1: very And then that's how the whole thing with Mellow 1272 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: came about with the producer from London because when he 1273 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 1: had all those songs, I remember asking Rica. I was like, 1274 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 1: yo's let's get this nigga to the studio and come 1275 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: to find out, he was in London. So he flew 1276 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 1: him from London and put them in the studio together. 1277 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: But then that sparked an idea. I was like, Yo, 1278 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 1: his producers from London, pops from New York. He wants 1279 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: to be a global artist, Let's do his first show 1280 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: in London. Because the producer that was doing all the 1281 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: music was based in London, you know what I'm saying, 1282 00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 1: and nobody knew him. So I was like, Yo, this 1283 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: is a way to further build your platform, your legacy 1284 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: because you'll be known for also introducing someone from a town. 1285 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 3: Right, you know, create a whole new sound. You said 1286 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 3: it takes time, but it felt like it went really fast. 1287 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: It did go really fast. I didn't know it was 1288 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 1: going to go that fast, you know what I'm saying. 1289 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,440 Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like he knew because when 1290 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: he first played dr he was like, yeah, I'm telling you, 1291 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: and I was just like, where's the hook? But the 1292 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 1: whole song was like a hook. You know what I'm saying, right, 1293 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:38,919 Speaker 1: But he knew, you know what I'm saying. 1294 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 3: So, you know, with Pop passing, U, you know that 1295 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 3: tragy within itself, like did you feel like, I mean, 1296 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 3: obviously lost a friend, but did you even think about 1297 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 3: on the business and like, you know, where do we 1298 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 3: go to from here? 1299 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: No? Man, I was like depressed. I don't know if 1300 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: you saw that interview, I do it, Noah, But I 1301 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: feel like that conversation with Fifty kind of like really 1302 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: because I went to go see right before he passed, 1303 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: like we had. I had taken him to see Fifty 1304 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: just because I felt like, you know, he was just 1305 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 1: living like super fast. So I was like, yo, you know, 1306 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: I feel like Fifty could talk some sense in them, 1307 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it was really fifty. 1308 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: That was just like, yo, you gotta He said, what 1309 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,320 Speaker 1: are you going to do with the album? You know 1310 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because remember when we were la recording 1311 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: his album, because the whole plan was he passed away 1312 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: in February, right, Yeah, he was supposed to go on 1313 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: tour in March, March, April, and the album was supposed 1314 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: to come out in June. So we had had that 1315 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: conversation with so most of the album's already done. So 1316 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 1: he was like, what are you doing with the album? 1317 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'm not thinking about that ship. 1318 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: And he was like, you know you're He's saying, I 1319 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: get you're grieving, but you gotta like get out of 1320 00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: this ship and stop being selfish, Yetta. You see, he's you, 1321 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: guys have plans to put this album out. You did 1322 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 1: all this great work, and now you're just going to 1323 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,680 Speaker 1: like abandon it because you feel because you're sad, you're depressed. 1324 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 1: He was like, I get it. You know what I'm saying. 1325 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,160 Speaker 1: You gotta mourn, but you can't abandon what you promised him. 1326 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I was like, he was like, you signed him, you guys, 1327 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,320 Speaker 1: you made a promise to him and made a promise 1328 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: to you that you were gonna he was going to 1329 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 1: be like the face of New York. You guys had 1330 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 1: all these great plans and now you're just gonna You're 1331 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,200 Speaker 1: just gonna like forget about that. And then he was 1332 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,800 Speaker 1: just like, you can't forget about that. And he was 1333 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I help you. And then it was 1334 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,520 Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he would push me. He'd 1335 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 1: be like, yo, what are we doing. He was like, 1336 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 1: you got to you gotta do this for his family, 1337 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 1: for his legacy. He was like, you can't wait till 1338 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: you done morning in like a year, two years or whatever, 1339 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you know, he said, you gotta 1340 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: do it now and I'll help you. And he did. 1341 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:47,520 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1342 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 3: He was like it was almost like as if it 1343 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 3: was his artist that was pushing in the wake of that. 1344 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Was it hard to listen to Pop's music. 1345 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't listen to it. I mean I still 1346 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: have a hard time listening to it. 1347 01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 2: I don't. 1348 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't really listen to it like that, right, because 1349 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: you got all those songs, was like very into meate. 1350 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I was like we were, you know, between me and him. 1351 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,080 Speaker 1: Ben Rico, he was in the studio together like all 1352 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, so much. So, Like I remember when 1353 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,760 Speaker 1: we when I first signed him, and I used to 1354 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 1: always be like, yo, let's go to the studio, studio, studio. 1355 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,120 Speaker 1: He used to be like, why do you want me 1356 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: to go to the studio? So and I'd be like, like, 1357 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,200 Speaker 1: how do you think this war? I'm saying how to create? 1358 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 1: But once he once he realized that and he saw 1359 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, the music coming out, like how it was 1360 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 1: coming out and how good it was, you know, he 1361 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: would he didn't want to leave the studio. 1362 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 3: Right because me the WU two came out before he passed, 1363 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 3: right before in February seventh, and Christopher Walken it's just 1364 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,840 Speaker 3: even with that. We made that, and we made a 1365 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,560 Speaker 3: lot of those songs in the Bahamas because that was 1366 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 3: the point. 1367 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 1: So here was the thing, right. There was a period 1368 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 1: in time where he was working like every day, like 1369 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he would be Remember he also had like 1370 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 1: court cases, so his days would be like on Monday 1371 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,680 Speaker 1: he'd have a court case and then on Tuesday he'd 1372 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,000 Speaker 1: have a We'd go to London and he'd do a 1373 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: show on Wednesday and then come back on Thursday for 1374 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: a court case. On Friday Saturday, we go to la 1375 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: for a studio session. And this went off for like months, 1376 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I told him, I said, 1377 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,240 Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this these next six months is 1378 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 1: going to be like super grueling. But at the end 1379 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: of the year, like I'll take you on vacation, you 1380 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, on vacation, and if you want 1381 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,600 Speaker 1: to record, like we can. We can go to like 1382 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,600 Speaker 1: the Bahamas or wherever you want to go, and we'll 1383 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,840 Speaker 1: just make for studios there and like you can record, 1384 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,160 Speaker 1: you cannot record. So we decided to go to Bahamas 1385 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,800 Speaker 1: and there was a studio out there that we booked 1386 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: and he was just recording out there. So Christopher Walking 1387 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,240 Speaker 1: came from one of those sessions and he made it. 1388 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,440 Speaker 1: When he made it, I was like, this is so fine. 1389 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: We got to put it out tomorrow. And that's what 1390 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: we did. Like I think he might have made the 1391 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 1: song on like a Wednesday, and we put it out 1392 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: on like Saturday. 1393 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 3: Wow, it definitely took on the life of its loan, 1394 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 3: Like I love so like that just it's not for 1395 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:02,240 Speaker 3: the radio. 1396 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just like, yo, this is so fire. 1397 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,320 Speaker 1: And we did everything that that night we did the 1398 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 1: because I forgot what it was called before, but I 1399 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,000 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we should call a Christopher Walking and 1400 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 1: we should we should recreate the King, because I like, 1401 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,880 Speaker 1: you can't be like so uh in your face with it, 1402 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,240 Speaker 1: like oh, I'm the King of New York. I gotta 1403 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: be like subtle, like saying most people don't need most 1404 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 1: people your age don't even know. Because he didn't even 1405 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:25,919 Speaker 1: know the movie. 1406 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,360 Speaker 2: I was like, we didn't even know the movie. Movie 1407 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 2: is super old, rightly. 1408 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: So I was just like, Yo, we're gonna put your 1409 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,720 Speaker 1: face on it, and we're just like imply and I 1410 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 1: mean people that I know, you know what I'm saying. 1411 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,680 Speaker 1: So it worked out to walking, and yeah, exactly, it 1412 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 1: was perfect. 1413 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, are there any plans to release any more 1414 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 3: prossimous projects with Pop? 1415 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I feel like the fans just 1416 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,400 Speaker 1: go so crazy, you know what I'm saying, Like they 1417 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,080 Speaker 1: just go to boom brazy with it. 1418 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,360 Speaker 2: It'll be in your comments, yea. 1419 01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like trying to say something to drop some 1420 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:03,760 Speaker 1: more exact nobody has time for, Like it's insane, you know, 1421 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: they like just critique it so much and he's not 1422 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:07,960 Speaker 1: here to. 1423 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 3: So it's kind of just like, yeah, how did you 1424 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 3: feel about that backlash with the cover for Faith, Like 1425 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,120 Speaker 3: it seems like you took a more proactive approach with FAV. 1426 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,080 Speaker 1: I feel like that was bullshit, you know what I'm 1427 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,640 Speaker 1: say because at the end of the day, it's like 1428 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 1: because people don't know, right, people sit back and they 1429 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,720 Speaker 1: think that they know, but they don't know shit. They're like, oh, 1430 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,200 Speaker 1: this is not Like I'm like, what are you talking about? 1431 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,280 Speaker 1: Like when we did fucking the video for Shake the Room, 1432 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 1: like that whole concept and idea was like Virgil's idea 1433 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,800 Speaker 1: and when we would when we were going through the process, 1434 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 1: like at first, Pop was like, don't you know, I 1435 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 1: don't know because you know, he had never had a 1436 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,720 Speaker 1: video like that. He was like, I don't know, but 1437 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 1: he trusted Virgil's vision, so it would have been the 1438 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: same thing for like these guys is created and creatives. 1439 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: You can't, like Nigga, if you could do a better 1440 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,880 Speaker 1: cover than you should, And that's when they were doing it. 1441 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, move this shit, you know what I mean, Like, 1442 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 1: this is this bullshit? You know, it's just like it's 1443 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,640 Speaker 1: pure nonsense. But you got at some point you did 1444 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: acquiesce and just give the fans what they wanted though, right, Yeah, 1445 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: but because it just it just took a life of 1446 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: its own, you know what I'm saying. It was just 1447 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: like why I put Virgil through this, why I put 1448 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,480 Speaker 1: Pops family through this is kind of just like because 1449 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: by the way, if he was alive, it's been like, 1450 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 1: fuck off, you're not jacking to cover cool, right, you 1451 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's all about the music and 1452 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,520 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Yeah, like this is my cover. 1453 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 2: I like it. 1454 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: That's what it would have been, you know what I'm saying, Right, 1455 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,320 Speaker 1: But he wasn't here to defend it, so we kind 1456 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,760 Speaker 1: of you know, how did you operate? 1457 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,800 Speaker 3: You know, found the pass in the Virgil obviously he 1458 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,200 Speaker 3: had an impactful rolling your. 1459 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Guys is Yeah, I mean I'm doing Virgil a long time. 1460 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,720 Speaker 1: We met during Dark Twisted Times, right Yeah that was 1461 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,560 Speaker 1: like two thousand tens. When did Dark Tis to come out? 1462 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 1: Twenty ten? Yeah, So I've known Virgil a long time 1463 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,160 Speaker 1: and he's we've been friends, and you know, even with 1464 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,800 Speaker 1: like Pop, I was like, yeah, I signed this kid 1465 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,480 Speaker 1: from New York, you know we should It went from 1466 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: like him creative directing some ship to him doing a video. 1467 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,200 Speaker 1: But it was just like very I don't know. I 1468 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 1: mean that was like because Pop past and vergins. Just yeah, 1469 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 1: it was like almost like back to back almost like yeah, 1470 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: so you're looking at pictures and it's like poping Virgil 1471 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: in the picture and they're both not here. You know. Yeah, 1472 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,280 Speaker 1: it's very very tough, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 1473 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:34,320 Speaker 1: I see a lot. 1474 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 3: Of pictures with Pharrell though, you know, he got the 1475 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,840 Speaker 3: new creative situation over at Louis Vuitton. 1476 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: What do you make about that? I think it's amazing. 1477 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,440 Speaker 2: It was like Valentine's Day or something. 1478 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the thing, like Pharrell is like all 1479 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: about like love and pushing the culture for it and 1480 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: helping people and like he's done so much for me, 1481 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, you know, and you got to remember and 1482 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 1: he was the first nigga with it was the first 1483 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,640 Speaker 1: thing in that seat before anyone was you know what 1484 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying, before anyone of our our culture. That was 1485 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,120 Speaker 1: he had the campaign with the fur on and remember 1486 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: like the millionaire Yeah, and that changed the game. So 1487 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 1: I think it's fitting, you know, super fitning. It's just 1488 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,280 Speaker 1: like I'm sure you're gonna have some input in listen. 1489 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:26,920 Speaker 1: You know, we'd be in Paris and listen. Whatever. Whatever 1490 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: we on is what we're on. Like you know what 1491 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Like when Frell was fucking with Chanelle, it's 1492 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 1: all Chanelle, you know, now it's LV you know. You 1493 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:42,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Victor, you know, so yeah, I'm 1494 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,840 Speaker 1: very like i feel like I'm a creative, but I'm 1495 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,720 Speaker 1: just saying, we're just so happy for him, like everybody's 1496 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 1: just you know, like everybody's celebrating as if it's because 1497 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: for has done so much for all of us. He's 1498 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,800 Speaker 1: the most giving person. You feel me like he's and 1499 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: he's just you know, it's pell and then as everybody else. Yeah, 1500 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,480 Speaker 1: let's not forget. Let's not play around. You know what 1501 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying. We'll get out of here, though. I need 1502 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: to get some insight on DJ drama and push your 1503 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:18,599 Speaker 1: t give us some insight. You know. It's like dramas 1504 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,760 Speaker 1: fire pushes. It's just like it's energy, you know what 1505 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you know the songs is going to be, 1506 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,800 Speaker 1: but you know what that energy is with when you 1507 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,760 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's going to be Freestyles original recordings, 1508 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,720 Speaker 1: we would get a hybrid hybrid n you know what 1509 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 1510 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,080 Speaker 2: Are there actual songs done? 1511 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Okay, oh Scott, you think it's not coming out? 1512 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,479 Speaker 2: No even about the theory, I'm like, we have like 1513 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 2: five six records done, Like what's the status of it? 1514 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got records doing. Ok So this summer is 1515 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,880 Speaker 1: going to be a hot summer. Yeah, but does it. 1516 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 2: Feel like like you know all to say, well, that 1517 01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,120 Speaker 2: feels like a mixtape. It feels like an album right 1518 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,320 Speaker 2: like and pushes or to set the standard of album. 1519 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 2: Is it going to evoke that same sort of feeling? 1520 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,040 Speaker 2: But does a lot of kind of go a little 1521 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:05,439 Speaker 2: bit more? 1522 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,280 Speaker 1: Nah? Listen not me and my Like we the avengers 1523 01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,360 Speaker 1: of the flee. So anything we do is gonna protect flyness, 1524 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:19,880 Speaker 1: whether it's closed music, you know saying you feel's think 1525 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,040 Speaker 1: about it right acts like you know, we're protecting the 1526 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 1: flea Like it's like means and we got an Nego 1527 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,560 Speaker 1: album coming out to another one? Nice? Okay? Is that 1528 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,040 Speaker 1: coming to ship too this year? Yeah? A hot simmer ship? 1529 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Does that mean a new Clips album on the way too? 1530 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: You see how Tank came out with the purple hearts 1531 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,760 Speaker 1: and all that. You know what I'm saying, what are 1532 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,600 Speaker 1: you saying? I'm saying what to be saying? Just know 1533 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: if you don't know, I'm just saying, like, you know, 1534 01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 1: I think what did the purple hearts signify? Purple hearts signify? 1535 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:00,599 Speaker 1: What are signify? 1536 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:01,120 Speaker 2: You? 1537 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,599 Speaker 1: Gouty should notice I'm jowing a blank helped me out, Steve. 1538 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,519 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you get that when you oh, when 1539 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,479 Speaker 1: you go to war and you you know, you win, right, 1540 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: oh oh oh, right, gotcha, you get a purple Heart 1541 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,240 Speaker 1: from the military. Yeah, for your servant services, extraordinary service, 1542 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,600 Speaker 1: extraordinary service in battle in combat. Yeah, Like I was 1543 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,479 Speaker 1: saying about, you know, it's like a zero some game, 1544 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,840 Speaker 1: Like it's like somebody when somebody loses. You know what 1545 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, you flee, but I'm more flee. You know 1546 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You got you know that you got this, 1547 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,680 Speaker 1: but I got the one of four of the same thing. 1548 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,200 Speaker 1: And you don't you know unless you know this is 1549 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,599 Speaker 1: another level of that. You're speaking jay Z right now. 1550 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Absolutely, it's like, oh, where 1551 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:55,679 Speaker 1: did you get that from? 1552 01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,080 Speaker 2: If you know, you know, you know what I'm saying, 1553 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,400 Speaker 2: I got you, Steve, Steven Victor has the hunger for more. 1554 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,680 Speaker 2: Man's that player. I feelt we got the we got 1555 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,080 Speaker 2: the real Stephen Victor. People get to see it's only right, man, 1556 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 2: it's only right. Or well, thank you brother, I'm glad 1557 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,680 Speaker 2: you finally did this. 1558 01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,400 Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, so good me and push. You're gonna be 1559 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 1: good after this. Yeah? What what did you say? What happened? 1560 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,400 Speaker 1: We'll see why? Why did you ask that? What I'm saying, 1561 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,600 Speaker 1: you know about the rapper thing and oh biggas you 1562 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,559 Speaker 1: said you put some rapper listen, but you're it's you're 1563 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,759 Speaker 1: saying like he's in the conversation. Definitely not five absolutely, 1564 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,560 Speaker 1: So it's at that point it's like subjective, it's what 1565 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,720 Speaker 1: you prefer for the most part. Even though you're saying 1566 01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,000 Speaker 1: it's objective, it's also there's some subjectivity in there. I 1567 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 1: try to be objective and yeah, but there's some of 1568 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,800 Speaker 1: it in there. There's some of what you prefer. Sure 1569 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,240 Speaker 1: nobody can. He can't knock you for that. You know 1570 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like if you would have been like, oh, 1571 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,200 Speaker 1: he's like number twenty one and all these other trash 1572 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,320 Speaker 1: niggas is ahead of him, then he might have a 1573 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 1: problem with you. But you're saying, you're making sense. I 1574 01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,040 Speaker 1: love Push Love. 1575 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 2: I think I think the Push of Drama is my 1576 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,559 Speaker 2: personal most anticipated project because. 1577 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,880 Speaker 1: It's going to be, like you said, like an album, 1578 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,799 Speaker 1: you gotta craft it a certain way, like something with drama, 1579 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,479 Speaker 1: you can have a little more fun with it. And 1580 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,400 Speaker 1: I feel like when you haven't, like I take it 1581 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,560 Speaker 1: back to what you were asking me earlier about like, 1582 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,920 Speaker 1: you know, working with different people, like it gotta be fun. 1583 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,679 Speaker 1: So if if if it's no level of like fun 1584 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,680 Speaker 1: on love in the equation, then it's pointless, Like you're 1585 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,160 Speaker 1: never gonna be able to get anything out of it, 1586 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I always say, and 1587 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, people kind of not make fun of me 1588 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,080 Speaker 1: for it, but because I you know, I don't want 1589 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,519 Speaker 1: to say I have a love for material things. But 1590 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,840 Speaker 1: like I said, I love flee shit, I love fire ship. 1591 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: But I always say that, you know, everything is always 1592 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: for love, not for money, you know what I'm saying. 1593 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 1: Obviously the money is going to come from it, and 1594 01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: it seems like it's a contradictory statement because I'm like, oh, 1595 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: this is this and then there's like the one to 1596 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,559 Speaker 1: fourth version of it, but not it's like it's always 1597 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:03,800 Speaker 1: for love, you know what I'm saying. I feel like 1598 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,200 Speaker 1: when you're having fun, like to think what you're saying 1599 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,080 Speaker 1: about drama the drama tape, Like he's gonna be having 1600 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,000 Speaker 1: fun with it, so I feel like it'll be more enjoyable, 1601 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:13,599 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, I feel like when 1602 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,919 Speaker 1: you're making an album, not to say it's like stressful, 1603 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,080 Speaker 1: but you want to make sure. 1604 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,559 Speaker 2: That it's like super meticulous. 1605 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Everything is like perfect, you know what I'm saying. But 1606 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,599 Speaker 1: when you're doing a mixtape, like you know, you're fucking 1607 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,639 Speaker 1: around and you're competing, and I feel like when you're competing, 1608 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,559 Speaker 1: just like when we're talking about with like with Tank 1609 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,800 Speaker 1: and the Ryan fight, I'm like, if you're watching the 1610 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,080 Speaker 1: fight and you see his face, you're like, oh, he's 1611 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,400 Speaker 1: having fun in there, so he's about to That's why 1612 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna end in the seventh round, 1613 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,240 Speaker 1: because I saw he was having fun. So he was 1614 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,920 Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna carry him a little and then 1615 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get him a body here and like nine 1616 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,479 Speaker 1: at ten, but I'm gonna have some fun because I'm 1617 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,880 Speaker 1: like enjoying the game. I'm in control, but I'm also 1618 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 1: enjoying it. You know, Like if you watch the fight right, like, 1619 01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, he was standing in front of Rye and 1620 01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,960 Speaker 1: Tank was and He's just like Ryan couldn't hit him, 1621 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,559 Speaker 1: you know, And when he did hit him, he was like, oh, 1622 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,120 Speaker 1: Scooby snacks. You know what I'm saying. But it's like 1623 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,960 Speaker 1: you could tell he was like enjoyed himself. You know. 1624 01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:09,759 Speaker 1: Like whenever people, like whether it's like an artist or athletes, 1625 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,840 Speaker 1: start enjoying themselves, I feel like that's when you get 1626 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: that's when the fire comes out, you know what I'm saying. 1627 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,080 Speaker 3: Stevid Victim Man, I appreciate you coming through man success brother, 1628 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:19,479 Speaker 3: thank you. 1629 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Rap raid All podcast. Yeah. 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