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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you, Buck? What's up? Man? No? I mean

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Speaker 1: it's all good getting ready for in the year New

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Speaker 1: my team get absolutely thrashed right now by South Carolina

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Speaker 1: At the end of the regular season, they didn't look

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Speaker 1: They were on fire. Yeah, out, what what's your what's

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Speaker 1: used to catching the ball and punch in the ribs

427
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Speaker 1: and in the guts and they're like, what is this

428
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: And they're like, that's what we do. I love it absolutely.

429
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Speaker 1: It's one of those things. But going back to your

430
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 1: original thing, that's why teams don't fall off because there's

431
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Speaker 1: a set of standards that you never relent on. Organizationally,

432
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: from a coaching standpoint, peer to peer, there is a

433
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: code of content like that you expect, and there's subtle

434
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Speaker 1: peer pressure from everybody within the organization to live up

435
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 1: to those standards. And so even when you're down, it

436
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Some of those things don't change. And I

437
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: think it takes a level of confidence from the organization

438
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: from top to bottom to know that even now, we

439
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: don't blink, we don't change off of this. We know

440
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: that the way that we operate is going to lead

441
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 1: to success because we've seen success and we're figuring out

442
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: it may be it may be a little down moment

443
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: for us, but now we're not. We're not going and

444
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: so no, no, it's interesting, man Um. All right, we're

445
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break, comeback, talk about some of

446
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: these top receivers in the upcoming draft class. All right, Buck,

447
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: I've been working through these whiteouts, man Um, and I

448
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: think more so than ever. Um. You know, I used

449
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: to be on the board when you're in the draft room,

450
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: kind of peek behind the curtain. You kind of had

451
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: your receiver board. You kind of had your outside receivers

452
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: and your slot receivers. There's really only two columns. We've

453
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 1: talked forever about building a basketball team. I think now

454
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: it's the point where you almost gotta have more. You

455
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: might need to have three or four different columns of

456
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: how you want to divide these guys up, because I

457
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: have so many these guys graded almost identically. It's just

458
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you need. You know, the big guy, do

459
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: you need, the explosive guy, you need the route runner?

460
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: Like to me, that's why I think you have to

461
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: kind of chop these positions up now instead of just

462
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: leaving them as white outs. Yeah, and I think what

463
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: we've seen, and we've talked about the last few years,

464
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: but I think it's fully come in earnest. Now we've

465
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: seen what happens with um the explosion of seven on

466
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: seven football and year round training in those guys DJ.

467
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: There's so many skill guys at the wide receiver position

468
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: that can play that it's one of those things where

469
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't want to take one in

470
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: the first round, you definitely can find them in the

471
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Speaker 1: second and third round. You can find them throughout the draft,

472
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: and they can come and make im media contributions and

473
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: those things. And yes, there's a bit of a transition,

474
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Speaker 1: but I mean we've seen so many of these young

475
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: guys coming they are ready made to Pallem and so

476
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Speaker 1: as you point to being able to differentiate, what do

477
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Speaker 1: you like at the position? Do I want a big

478
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: body guy that can go and be my red zone weapon?

479
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: Do I want to be beat speech to they can

480
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: take the top off the coverage and make things happen.

481
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Speaker 1: Do I want the refined right route runner who can

482
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Speaker 1: get open versus all coverage? Do I want the guy

483
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: that could work in the slide and give me the

484
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: cold Beasley type stuff. Being able to categorize all of

485
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: those things and then knowing on draft day, Okay, where

486
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: are we as a team and what do we need

487
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: and how does it fit into those things? I think

488
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: now more thanever, we have to do it. And I

489
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: think it changes our analysis after the draft because a

490
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: lot of times we're like, man, why would they take?

491
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: But you don't understand what division is? Division? We can

492
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: go forwise, we can do a little more of this.

493
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: We want to add more bubble screens and r p

494
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Speaker 1: o s to the mix, and so we need guys

495
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Speaker 1: that can do it with the ball in their hands.

496
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: You know it changes everything, But you're right. You can

497
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of guys on the draft board and

498
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: we talk about the draft board goes horizontally where you

499
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: have the different positions and in vertically, and I think

500
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna look up at the board and be like, man,

501
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: they're like ten different receivers all with the same grade. Coach,

502
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: how how are we gonna split this up? What do?

503
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: What do we want? And I think the communication now

504
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: you talk about the wide receivers. The communication now between

505
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: scouts and coaches has to be on point because you

506
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: have to be able to know exactly what the coach desires.

507
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: As we were beginning to bring the players up in

508
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Speaker 1: the meetings and kind of send them okay, like coaches say,

509
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Speaker 1: we need to receive what kind do we need? Because

510
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Speaker 1: you need did I'm gonna go to this page even

511
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Speaker 1: he did, I'm gonna go to the other page in

512
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Speaker 1: my notebook. M and so when I kind of look

513
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Speaker 1: at this group and these are kind of the big

514
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: guys that I that I've looked at so far, and

515
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: the kind of grouped together here because the grades are

516
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: very similar. We've got the two from Ohio State, right,

517
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: You've got Wilson and o Lave. You've got John Dotson

518
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: from Penn State was a really good player. You've got

519
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams form Ohio State who's been tearing up in

520
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: Alabama big time speed. Um, you've got the two big guys,

521
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: Drake London at USC trailing Burke's at Arkansas. UM trailing

522
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Burks on like two and twenty five pounds, Drake London

523
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: six five. So they kind of are paired together. You

524
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: got to sort those two guys out and then we'll

525
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Speaker 1: see if Metchi ends up. Is it meet you and me?

526
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: She don't know how you pronounce it, but that at

527
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Alabama feeds up, come out, he got hurt of he

528
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: was his a c L. He's really good when you

529
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: watch him on tape, like really really good. Um. So

530
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: when when you're trying to rank these guys and you

531
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: you've got different skill sets to me though, and when

532
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: I've gone through all of them, Garrett Wilson checked more

533
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: boxes than anybody else at Ohio State. I love olave UM.

534
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: I think Garrett Wilson is a little stronger, a little

535
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: tougher after the catch. Um. This guy can get in

536
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: and out of routes. He can do everything you want

537
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: to do. And just from a like a professional standpoint,

538
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: reminds me of and talking to people to Ohio State,

539
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: you get some of the same things just in terms

540
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: of this similar feedback. You recall, like what you heard

541
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: about Justin Jefferson. Right, guys, this guy is a pro.

542
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: This guy can do anything you want to do. This

543
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: guy's ultra ultra competitive, you know, all those same things.

544
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, well, this guy can do everything

545
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: on the field. I've seen it. And then you match

546
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: that up with what you get there, and I'm like,

547
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: to me, he's the best one. That's what it is.

548
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: It's funny, um, because I told you, Um, Jerry Sullivan

549
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: is my guy, a long time wide receiver coach in

550
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: the NFL, and he saw one of our shows one time.

551
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: I was on and maybe I didn't have Justin Jefferson

552
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: in the top five at the time, something like that.

553
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: He says. She's like, hey, man, you you miss it out.

554
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the guy has it all. And he

555
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: said he said, he said, everyone's gonna be excited about Chase.

556
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: He said, but this guy, this guy has it and DJ.

557
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: The it thing is the ability to do it all.

558
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Run routes, big playmaking ability, um, when versus all coverage.

559
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you single double, whatever it is,

560
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: he can find a way to consistently get open and

561
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: give you the production that you want. Um has that

562
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: that in factor where he can turn his game up,

563
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: take it up a notch when you need it in

564
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: critical situations. There are a lot of key components, and

565
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about Gary Wilson and or how

566
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: your state and what he's been able to do, because

567
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: it's hard sometimes to determine when you've got so many guys,

568
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: Like they had three guys that could really get down,

569
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: but it just appears that when they needed it, Ball

570
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: kind of found his way to him. I love a

571
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Love too, I mean a Love is a really good player.

572
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Davante Smith, Like just

573
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: similar type frame, get on top of coverage. He's got easy,

574
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: smooth speed. Yeah, because he had to school record touchtown.

575
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: I think he does. And his kid and he and

576
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: he's tough too. He's tough. He just not physically as strong,

577
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: like that's just a little bit of the difference when

578
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: you see those two guys after the catch. But he's

579
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a really, really good player. John Dotson is

580
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: in that same conversation at a Penn state. I think

581
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: he's got the best hands of any of these guys.

582
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: You see him just attack the ball. Um. Not gonna

583
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: be you know, not gonna be a two pound guy. Um,

584
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: but he's got outstanding hands and and there's a really

585
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: good route runner efficient he's got juice. Like those guys,

586
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: to me, you kind of bunched them together. Jamison Williams

587
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: is the take the top off, just ridiculous speed. You

588
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: gotta live with some drops really has supernatural hands buck Um.

589
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: But the big plays are gonna offset some of that stuff. Yeah,

590
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you have to kind of

591
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: you kind of have to live with. And I think

592
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: it's really important because dj um gotta heard this. I

593
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: can't remember who heard from a long times. It might

594
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: have been Bill Polly and talked about it. Guys are

595
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: what they are, right, the guy that you see on tape, Like,

596
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: it's rare that they really change. If a guy has

597
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: some issues with drops or whatever, like, that's part of

598
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: what is on his background and you kind of have

599
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: to be able to understand it and have to explain

600
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: that in the meetings. You have to be like, hey,

601
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna drop something, but when he catches he's gonna

602
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: score points, so we have to just kind of understand

603
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: it and chalking they want and freak out when it happens.

604
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: It's just part of what they do. But um, for

605
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: these guys. For me, the catch thing And I don't

606
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: know if you do when you do the studying, if

607
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: you do like catch percentages and you kind of track

608
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: like the number of exceptions to targets and drop percentages

609
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. But you know, if you

610
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: want your handed guys, they have to catch the ball

611
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: consistently in college. It's it's just so hard to improve

612
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: that skill and their things that you can do. We

613
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: can get on the tennis ball and we can fire

614
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: them all to him. We catch the jugs machine and

615
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: all that. But the natural pass catchers, and most in

616
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: my mind, most of the natural pass catchers also have

617
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: big hands because it becomes easy. When you look at

618
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. He just swallows him up. I think

619
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. When you watch Jamar Chase catch the ball,

620
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: he swallows him up with his hands. So it's great

621
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: hand eye coordination. But big hands, big myths, and it

622
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: just looks easy because they don't flash, they don't get

623
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: all bug eyed, like the left field is circling under

624
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: the ball trying to catch, Like no, they just easily

625
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: catch the ball and do those things. And so you

626
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: have to understand what's the priority, um when you fristizing

627
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to um that position. Yeah, you look

628
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: at these two big guys by the way, you know,

629
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: you have kind of those aha moments where you're trying

630
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: to figure out who this guy is and who he

631
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: reminds you of, and then all of a sudden, like boom,

632
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: I just hit you and you're like, oh my gosh,

633
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm doing a Charger game a couple of

634
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: weeks back, and uh and Mike Williams hovers up in

635
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: the air and and makes a play on a go

636
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: ball down the field and like I'm like paying attention

637
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: to the game and calling. All of a sudden, I

638
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, Drake Lendon, there you go, Mike Williams,

639
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: there you go. That's it. That's it, that's that's him.

640
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: That's what he is, um and not you know, not

641
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: gonna get a ton of separation, but it doesn't matter.

642
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: He's just so big and his ball skills are so good.

643
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: The Colorado game for Drake London. If you want to

644
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: have some fun, go watch some of the catches he

645
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: makes in that game. Unbelievable. And I know, like Mike

646
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Evans was kind of the first name that I jotted down.

647
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: I think Mike, Mike might be a little bit a

648
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: little bit, yeah, a little more, a little more quickness

649
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: and burst kind of in and out. I don't think

650
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: he's maybe that um, but you'll see this year. Mike

651
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Williams a freege. He's gonna get paid a bunch of money.

652
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Mike Williams a really good player and he's made a

653
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: living making plays down the field. I think Drake London

654
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: is gonna do the same thing. It's funny, you know.

655
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: Uh A coach against Drake London in high school like

656
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: it because they notre Dame. He was at More Park.

657
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: Uh we actually lost him because, uh he caught a

658
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: touchdown and maybe a two point conversion where he just

659
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: was too big. This is guy. It was a legitimate

660
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: basketball player. I want to say he played maybe his

661
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: first or second year at SC so he can he

662
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: can take it off the rim and alley open and

663
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: those things. I think the other thing that we have

664
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: to do in the scouting equation. You gotta scout your

665
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: coaches depending on who your wife receiver coaches. Because one

666
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: thing I would say for a guy like Drake London,

667
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: Drake London needs to learn how to speak of everything

668
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have to stop start if he can

669
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: learn and master the skill of kind of learning how

670
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: to roll into his hand cuts um, how to kind

671
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: of keep it on the move. Got to get my

672
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: chance to be a real complete player instead of just

673
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: a guy that they just kind of throw it on

674
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: the sideline and use him in the red zone. And

675
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: so if you have a receiver coach who was very

676
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: familiar understands how to coach big guys, man, that's when

677
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: because I think there's so much untapped potential that you

678
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: can even get even more out of him. But he

679
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: has to have the right guy that can kind of

680
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: bring that out. So comparing him with Trailing Burke's, London

681
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: give him the edge playing above the rim Trailing Burke's,

682
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: the both of them are really good after the catch.

683
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: Drakeline will break a bunch of tackles. He's physical and tough.

684
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Trailing Burk's has more kind of build speed after the catch.

685
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of home runs. You see ninety

686
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: one yard touchdown, eighty five yard touchdown, Like, Drake is

687
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: not gonna give you that side of it. So you

688
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: get a little bit more run after catch with him.

689
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: And there's the easy comparison with a J. Brown just

690
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: because you got a six ft three pound frame for

691
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: this dude and he just he just he's built like

692
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: kind of that H back, you know, kind of do

693
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: it all guy. But who's he's a receiver who's built

694
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: like an H back. Is kind of what I'm getting at.

695
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: And and I mean, and we're saying creativity. We're seeing

696
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: different ways that people are deploying. You can put them

697
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: in the field, get him out and those things. And

698
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: so it is making sure you have a plan to

699
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: give have enough creativity, um to make it work for him.

700
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: But not. I like big guys, and I think it's funny, man,

701
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: the game trends, it goes back and forth big guys,

702
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: little guys. UM. I think you need to have enough

703
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: diversity in your receiver corps that kind of deal with that.

704
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't think you have too much of anything. Um,

705
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: you can't too many little guys because then they get

706
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: knocked around when the game gets kind of physical, they

707
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: don't necessarily go over the middle, and then you can't

708
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: have too many big guys because then you may not

709
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: have enough speed to feel vertically. So it has to

710
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: That's why these guys are gonna be all over the board,

711
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Like when you look around the teams, teams are gonna

712
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: have these white outs in all different order. And I

713
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a wrong answer. I think all

714
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: those guys just mentioned really good. And Mets she's really

715
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: good too, So we'll see if he ends up coming

716
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: out with his knee. And I've got a lot more

717
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: guys to get to. But everybody in the league has

718
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of categorized it as those first guys, like the

719
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: Big six, Like those guys have kind of separated themselves.

720
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: So those guys are really dug and studied and um, literally,

721
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: only thing I can say definitively. I think my list

722
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: comes out the end of January, but I can say

723
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: definitively for me at this time, I will put Garrett

724
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Wilson at the at the very top of the list. No,

725
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. You just gotta make it happen.

726
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: You gotta know exactly what you want. You got to

727
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: know how to do it, and we have to have

728
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be funny because I always have these top five.

729
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: I may have to have subcategories. Yeah, speas, there's big guys, whatever.

730
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: But because if you just have a straight top five,

731
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: this is going to be hard for people to understanding.

732
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: But why don't you have this guy? I don't know.

733
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: I want to put him in there, but I don't

734
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: look at big five. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Give you

735
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: a chance to get some more names. Um, all right,

736
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I think it definitely

737
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: need to to touch on what happened with the passing

738
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: of John Madden. Did you ever get a chance to

739
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: meet coach and did you ever have any anything impactful

740
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: from him that you took over the years? Now, I

741
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to meet coach, but I think

742
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: his impact is everything, right, is what he was as

743
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: a coach obviously, I mean a guy Hall of Fame coach.

744
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: You look at his winning percentage with the Raiders, um

745
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: is everything. He was young. He's probably one of the

746
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: first young gunners to take over a job and do it.

747
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: I want to say he was thirty two thirty three

748
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: when he took over the Raiders job one a hundred games.

749
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: I think his winning percentage is greater than that of

750
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi, which is crazy when you think about it,

751
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: and then you think about the Hall of Fame announcer

752
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: and broadcaster did he turned into and how he and

753
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: past some off for me kind of defined everything because

754
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: I remember listening to them and that stuff. And then

755
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: you take what he was able to do in the

756
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: video game world and how that was supposed you that

757
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: so many of us. It was a gateway, gateway into

758
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: football for everybody, an opportunity to to get him around

759
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: the game, and so his contributions I don't know if

760
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: there ever be masked, but his legacy is just how

761
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: he opened it up for so many people to enjoy

762
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: the game. But you and I both love and to

763
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: do it. So here's my biggest takeaway. I never got

764
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: a chance to meet coach Um, but I I definitely

765
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: think this is this is something that everybody can take

766
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: from him, even if he didn't didn't get a chance

767
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: to meet him, but just followed his career, especially in

768
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: what we get to do in the game of football.

769
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: He was incredibly obviously knew the game inside out, you know,

770
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: it's a Hall of Fame coach. But he never lost

771
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: the fact that that that this is supposed to be fun.

772
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you listen to him call games,

773
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: yeah you learned something. It was insightful, you know, the

774
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: greatest analyst of all time. But he had fun, He

775
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: could laugh. He didn't take himself too seriously even with

776
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: all he had accomplished. You know. So to me, there's

777
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: nothing that that bugs me more than when if you're

778
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: watching a game or watching analysis of people that take

779
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: themselves and this this sport way too serious. Yes it's

780
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: our job, Yes it's our livelihood. It is a game.

781
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: It is supposed to be fun. Do not lose sight

782
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: of that. That is, And I think what's so great

783
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: about that DJ is how he's able to convey that

784
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: he talked about all the xs and os and how

785
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: hey man, it has to be this or whatever, but

786
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: then never losing the fun part of it. And I

787
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: think sometimes we can get so bogged down into everything

788
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: even in what we do. I'm gonna work, it isn't

789
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: gonna forget me. Hey, it's fun. Let's have the fun

790
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: part of it. Let's make sure we have enough fun.

791
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: That's an enjoyable experience for everybody involved, because that's what

792
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: the game is actually supposed to be about. Yeah, I'm

793
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: all for passion. Let's all be passionate. And with that

794
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: comes frustration at times when you're fans and I get

795
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: all that, but man, enjoy the fun times, have fun

796
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: with it. It's it's literally pinch yourself. We get to

797
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: work and get paid to watch and talk about football.

798
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: It's not a bad life, man, No, it's definitely not

799
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: a bad nothing wrong with that. Can't can't beat that. Yeah,

800
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: well thoughts and prayers there with with coaches family. Um,

801
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: what a life live though and what a legacy he's

802
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: left behind. And you mentioned it, I think that football game.

803
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: Um you talk about having a legacy, that thing continues

804
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: to carry on year after year and it's really, like

805
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: I mentioned, the gateway for for all these young guys,

806
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: young kids, boys and girls to fall in love with

807
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: the sport of football. So, um, you know, a big

808
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: shout out there to coach Matten and in a job

809
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: well done, life well lived. Um, anything else you want

810
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: to get out of here? Buck before we wish everybody

811
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: a happy New Year, and get wrong, I just want

812
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: to wish everyone a happy new year. Hopefully UH two

813
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: is even better than one. Uh the ford to partner O.

814
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: But you again the new year, make sure we have

815
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of a bunch of fun and thanks for

816
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: all the devoted podcast listeners. Is really really great when

817
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: we see the comments and stuff on social the stuff

818
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: that you guys see, the questions that you ask. Uh.

819
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Even if we can be even more interactive, like let

820
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: us know like um, I think the game is always

821
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: at his best when we're able to kind of pass

822
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: on what we've learned and what we can learn from

823
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: those on the outside. So let's keep it up. Yeah,

824
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: you look, we had we did that Twitter spaces last

825
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: night with Aaron Jones and we got really cool. Yeah,

826
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: it was fun. And you know, I don't know if

827
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: you've noticed that to pick this up, but I got

828
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: some feedback from from folks inside the network, and one

829
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: of the things that they said in there was you guys,

830
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: you guys just have such a good chemistry and you

831
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: guys seem to enjoy each other. That makes an enjoyable experience.

832
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: So I know it's not Thanksgiving. We all we do

833
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: all that stuff with Thanksgiving, But another year, Buck, We've

834
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: got to do this show together. You know, we go

835
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: from knowing each other as scouts for all those years,

836
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: and if you'd have told us back then, we'd be

837
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: racking up year after year after year of somehow convincing

838
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: them to pay us where we had the same conversation

839
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: we'd be having if we were sitting at San Jose

840
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: State watching tape, you know, getting to do that with

841
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: you each and every year. Another one in the books. Uh,

842
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: and here's too many, many more of my friend hey man,

843
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: thanks so much. DJ is great man. I look war

844
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: too kind of taking it to another level. Um, I

845
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: think about so many things that we haven't even scratched

846
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: the surface on in terms of what we can do.

847
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to sharing those experiences with you

848
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: when with the mood of six team. Appreciate it, appreciating

849
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: the bill as well. It's the best in the business

850
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: from the producing standpoint. Um, and we will I will

851
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: catch you guys in the new year. Enjoy the playoff games,

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