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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, Custody battles are never pretty.

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Speaker 2: They're always awful.

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Speaker 1: In all the years I prosecuted felony crimes in inner

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Speaker 1: City Atlanta, and that was ten years, murders, rape, chilvel

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Speaker 1: a station, you name it, I hated going into the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: When there was a custody battle going on.

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Speaker 1: The anger, the animosity, the bitterness, the resentment, all that

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Speaker 2: And not always beneath the surface.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, slugfest would break out in the courtroom. Ex

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Speaker 1: husbands and wives of being literally pulled apart by the

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Speaker 1: sheriff's bailiffs.

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Speaker 2: Now we know a judge.

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Speaker 1: Has been gunned down dead in the driveway after making

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Speaker 1: a custody ruling, and now that shooter is on the run, armed,

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Speaker 1: desperate and dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I may see, Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: and Serious sixem one eleven.

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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to.

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Speaker 3: This he At approximately eight pm, deputies from the Washington

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Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Office and other agencies responded to the nineteen thousand,

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Speaker 3: one hundred block of Old Waterford Road in Hagerstown, Maryland

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Speaker 3: for a reported shooting. The victim was an adult male

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Speaker 3: who was located in the driveway of the residents. The

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Speaker 3: victim was suffering from what appeared to be gunshot wounds.

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Speaker 3: He was transported to Meritis Medical Center, where he later

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Speaker 3: succumbed to his injuries. The victim was identified as Washington County,

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Speaker 3: Maryland Circuit Court Judge Andrew Wilkinson, fifty two, of Hagerstown.

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Speaker 1: You were hearing Curly Hosts, the public information officer for

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Speaker 1: Washington County Sheriff's Office, and now take a listen to

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Speaker 1: the elected sheriff himself.

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Speaker 4: Around eight pm, Washington County Sheriff's deputies were called to

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Speaker 4: Judge Wilkinson was found in the driveway of the home

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Speaker 4: he shares with his wife and son, suffering from multiple

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Speaker 4: gunshot wounds. He later died at a local hospital. Police

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Speaker 4: did not immediately release a motive for the shooting.

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Speaker 5: This was a targeted attack on Judge Wilkinson. We've identified

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Speaker 5: Pedro our goatee Frederick Maryland as a suspect in this case.

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Speaker 5: Our goatee is not in custody and is considered armed

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Speaker 5: and dangerous. If anyone has information on our got's location,

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Speaker 5: we asked that they immediately contact local law enforcement. The

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Speaker 1: If you will gun down a superior court judge right

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Speaker 1: what else will you do? This guy on the run?

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first straight out to

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Speaker 1: special guests joining us, Chris Gavin, breaking News investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: with the Messenger.

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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for being with us. Let's just start.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning when police were called to the driveway.

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Speaker 2: What happened.

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Speaker 6: Basically, deputies were called to this suburban block in Maryland,

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Speaker 6: about seventy five miles northwest of Baltimore, Quiet Street. From

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Speaker 6: what it looks like, they get there and they find

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Speaker 7: We know that his.

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Speaker 6: Wife and son we're home at the time, and that

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Speaker 6: quip you just played you brought to a jewlery that

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Speaker 6: for Pedro r Gote and as we quickly came to learn,

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Speaker 6: he had just had a case appear in the judge's

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Speaker 6: court room earlier in the morning on Thursday, where the

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Speaker 6: judge had decided to give his wife's custody of their

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Speaker 2: Guys, so we were talking about the death of a

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Speaker 2: judge in his prime.

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Speaker 1: He had been on the bench since I believe twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: was doing a wonderful job. This judge fatally gunned down

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Speaker 1: at his home in Hagerstown, Maryland, after not even a

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Speaker 1: controversial court ruling. Joining me right now is Jessica Garth,

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Speaker 1: chief of the Special Victim's Family Violence Unit Georgias out

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Speaker 1: of Prince of Georgie's County, Maryland.

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Speaker 2: This is your jurisdiction, Jessica.

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Speaker 1: I know Dad's all over the country. You are going

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Speaker 1: that it's true. Typically custody does go to the mom.

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Speaker 1: Why Maybe moms are viewed as more nurturing, Maybe the

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Speaker 1: is breast any I don't know the history. I'm a

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Speaker 1: to why he lost for old custody in just a moment,

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Speaker 1: but that's a given, Jessica.

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Speaker 8: I agree, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I do think times are changing as we

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Speaker 9: their children's lives. But certainly for a very long time,

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Speaker 9: the default has been that mothers would get a primary custody,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: Did they still need the mom for various reasons.

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Speaker 1: That said, when a dad goes into court, get ready

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Speaker 1: because you might lose custody. Otherwise, try to work on

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Speaker 1: Back to you, Chris Gavin, isn't it true that they

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to get into their relationship.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't abusive? Was it not abusive? Is that why he

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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. This guy on the run,

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Speaker 1: and let's listen to me. If he will gun down

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Speaker 1: a judge in the driveway, what will he do to

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Speaker 1: you if you apprehend him, If he wants your car,

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Speaker 1: if he wants your money to keep stay on the run.

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Speaker 2: Listen to me. Take a listen now to our friends

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Speaker 2: at crime online dot com.

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Speaker 5: We have responded to the residence for verbal domestic assaults

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Speaker 5: two times within the last few years, but no criminal

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Speaker 4: Police identify forty nine year old Pedro Argote as the

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Speaker 4: the attack happened just hours after the judge awarded custody

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Speaker 1: To Chris Gavin, joining US an investigative reporter with The Messenger, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the number of times he

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Speaker 1: was shot. Do we know how many times the judge

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Speaker 1: was shot? I know at least twice, but I'm hearing multiple.

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Speaker 6: We've heard that word multiple a few times, but that's

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Speaker 6: about all we know. It's been unspecified so far.

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Speaker 2: According to Judge Brett R.

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Speaker 1: Anderson, it was the courthouse of six judges, and all

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Speaker 1: the judges were very very close. I want to tell

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Speaker 1: you what that's like. In the District Attorney's office, and

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Speaker 1: sixty to seventy prosecutors. But you would be in little

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Speaker 1: because to you, Karen start joining me, renowned psychologists, you

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Speaker 1: see you're on TV, on radio, karenstart dot com Karen

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Speaker 1: with a see Karen. I think part of it is

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Speaker 1: that you go through it's like being in a foxhole

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Speaker 2: Their mules. You are on twenty four to.

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Speaker 1: Seven you can't even take the elevator because there could

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Speaker 10: Exactly, Nancy. I mean, you can't think of the situation.

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Speaker 10: Just like you said, you're on the front line, and

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Speaker 10: so people become very very close when you're in any

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Speaker 10: just it makes you feel so close to the people

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Speaker 2: Well, you are close, and I will never forget. Karen.

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Speaker 1: I've told you the story that my investigator was with

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you are at a point

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Speaker 1: His wife, Stephanie. He has a son and a daughter.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 1: Joining me, and you know him well, and everybody on

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Speaker 1: the panel, let me remind you this ain't high Tea

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Speaker 1: at Windsor Castle with King Charles and Camilla. So jump

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Speaker 1: in if you have a thought, don't hold back. And

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Speaker 1: that includes you, IRV Brandt. All right, you have tracked

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Speaker 1: down people all around the world. I need to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Doctor Kendall Crowns joining me, Chief Medical Examiner,

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Speaker 1: Terrance County. That's fort Worth, never a lack of business Lecturer,

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Speaker 1: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, we're hearing multiple gunshot wounds. To me, that

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Speaker 1: So I'm asking you, doctor Kendall Crowns. You've done literally

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Speaker 2: Do you have time to think those thoughts when you're

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Speaker 1: do you mean by that doctor Kendall Crown self reflection.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, if you think you're dying, maybe you

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Speaker 2: It's difficult to say self reflection.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd be having self reflection. I

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Speaker 10: I think that's much more of what you would have had, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: Oh gosh, worrying about what would happen with your family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, is this guy going to go in there?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if he even saw who was

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Speaker 2: Guys, now take a listen to this.

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Speaker 5: There was a proceeding earlier in the day, divorce hearing

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure the time.

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Speaker 2: Not sure of the time, and we know he didn't

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Speaker 3: This morning at approximately eleven am, the suspects vehicle was

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Speaker 1: If you see this guy, do not approach. In fact,

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Speaker 1: get away from him. Don't make it obvious. Just get

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Speaker 2: I want to look at before we get to his

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Speaker 1: Chris Gavin, I want to talk about the proceeding earlier

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Speaker 1: in the day, a divorce hearing that he did not attend.

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Speaker 2: He was a no show.

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Speaker 1: What happened in that divorce hearing, Chris Gavin, because I

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Speaker 2: What happened leading up to that hearing.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's correct, that's what was ordered. Basically, this case

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Speaker 6: In fact, he was told to stay away from his children,

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Speaker 1: Now this is the time you are supposed to start

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Speaker 1: But instead of doing that, he shoots the judge and

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about what led.

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Speaker 12: Pedro and Eugenie r Gote married with four children, but

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Speaker 12: bragged in a twenty twenty one Facebook post about taking

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Speaker 2: That's not good. That's not good at all.

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Speaker 1: We believe this guy is armed, Chris Gavin. Why do

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Speaker 6: I mean, right now, we know that the car was found.

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Speaker 6: Clearly he had gone through gun training or had taken

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Speaker 6: the time of that the forced filing, yes, that her

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Speaker 2: Why what did he do for a living? Chris Gavin?

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I I'm sorry, I actually don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I can't find it either, Jackie said, he see if

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Speaker 2: Why does he think it needs a gun on his body.

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Speaker 7: Jump in, Nancy, I think they said they ran a

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Speaker 1: Hey, there are so many facts, fast and furious, I get.

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Speaker 13: It, Nancy, jump in plase, Yeah, I think you know.

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Speaker 13: When we're asking the question, why would he be carrying

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Speaker 2: Guys with me.

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Speaker 1: Shannon Henry, President, Founder SASS Ghost Surviving Assault Standing Strong.

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Speaker 1: It is a nonprofit to eradicate abuse, trafficking in violence

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Speaker 1: I was just about to ask you. When I worked

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Speaker 2: And when I hear this.

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Speaker 2: It's just another form of.

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Speaker 13: Abuse, absolutely, and it's one where they can maintain power

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Speaker 1: Now we know that the food truck was shut down

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Speaker 13: And thank goodness she had Judge Wilkinson who clearly saw

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Shannon Henry, the president and founder of

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Speaker 2: You know I have disagreed.

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Speaker 1: I bet you have two or Brant joining me, Senior

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Speaker 1: Inspector US Marshall Service International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector, DOJ

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Speaker 1: you got inspiration from all your trips around the world

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Speaker 2: Thought, oh, I hate just judge. They're a jackass, they're

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Speaker 1: All that may have been true, but I sure as

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Speaker 1: They're more than a man, they're more than a woman.

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Speaker 1: They represent our system of justice. And I'm sure the

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Speaker 1: an attack on our system.

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Speaker 8: Right, Nancy, That's exactly right. And that's why the United

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Speaker 8: States Marshal Service is involved in the case. The United

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Speaker 8: you were talking about earlier about him missing the.

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Speaker 2: Court date, he was out buying Ammo.

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Speaker 8: Right, Well, it's obvious he has a plan. This was premeditated,

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Speaker 8: cold blooded murder an assassination if you will on a

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Speaker 1: It's an attack on all of us earth, because I mean,

440
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Speaker 1: if you're going to gun down a judge, what else

441
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Speaker 1: will you do?

442
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: And I know he hated the ruling. I get it.

443
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: He's been used to bullying.

444
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Speaker 1: His wife and children, which is another thing Karen's talk about,

445
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: why do we often see one child picked out to

446
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: be mistreated.

447
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: But that said, he was used.

448
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: To getting his way and bullying and his judge wouldn't

449
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: let him have his way.

450
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, every case is different, every fugitive investigation is different,

451
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 8: as you know. But you got to look at the

452
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 8: fact surrounding this case. He had a plan. He went

453
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Speaker 8: to that judge's house. This wasn't an after rage in

454
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Speaker 8: the courtroom after a ruling. He didn't attack him on

455
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Speaker 8: the bench. He went to his house and he assassinated him.

456
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 8: He ditched his car. He had a plan. He was

457
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Speaker 8: going to commit the murder. Then he was going to disappear.

458
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 8: He was going to go on the run. So this

459
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Speaker 8: isn't like a prison break where you have an inmate

460
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Speaker 8: running around in a prison uniform playing it by year,

461
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 8: making it up as he goes along.

462
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Speaker 2: He's blending right.

463
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Speaker 8: He has a plan. So the United States Marshall Service

464
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Speaker 8: specializes in fugitive investigations like this. No one has a

465
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 8: larger fugitive investigative network than the Marshall Service. They will

466
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Speaker 8: track him to every state in the United States, every

467
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Speaker 8: country in the world, and to the gates of Hell

468
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Speaker 8: if necessary. He's not going to get away with it.

469
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Speaker 2: You know.

470
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this guy with me, Mike Hatzel, President

471
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: founder Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. He looks very

472
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: much like Scott Peterson. Some people think that he's handsome,

473
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Speaker 1: not me. I think he's killer, a judge killer, and

474
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: I think he bullied his wife and their three children.

475
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Speaker 1: And what you heard Shannon Henry say earlier, it was

476
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Speaker 1: the little eleven year old girl that the mom had

477
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Speaker 1: to get between him and the little girl to stop

478
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Speaker 1: him from hitting or grabbing or physically assaulting the little girl.

479
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Speaker 1: I can tell everybody right now, spankings do not work.

480
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: I learned that when Lucy, when Lucy Lynch was two

481
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Speaker 1: years old, I swatted her on the behind for hitting

482
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Speaker 1: John David in the head with the block.

483
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Speaker 2: She just looked at me like, is that all you got? Really?

484
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: So then I.

485
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Speaker 1: Went to time out, which didn't work a whole lot better,

486
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: but a little bit better. So I'm looking at him

487
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: and the wife and the three children, thinking about her

488
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Speaker 1: getting between him and the three children and Shannon Henry.

489
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Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to you and Jessica.

490
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Speaker 1: After the mom filed that one charge against him, that

491
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Speaker 1: one petition, she dropped it. She was talked out of

492
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: dropping it, which is curious. But Mike Hatzel agree or

493
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Speaker 1: disagree with Brant RV Brant?

494
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Speaker 2: Where is this guy? Where's he head? To think?

495
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Speaker 7: Well, if I had to put money on him being it,

496
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 7: he is kind of good looking. He's got that Antonio Bendera.

497
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Speaker 1: According to you he's good looking, he looks like the devil.

498
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: To me, he looks like pure hell to me.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, thugs.

500
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Speaker 7: Lived by, you know, they have to up the threat

501
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 7: all the time. That's the only way they keep the

502
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 7: thuggery going on. And unfortunately he ran out, made his decision.

503
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Speaker 7: He had help, obviously. I'm looking at where the car

504
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 7: was ditched. It's out in the middle of nowhere. They

505
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 7: didn't find him. They probably searched it looking to see

506
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 7: if he committed suicide out there or something.

507
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: He did not commit suicide that we know of exactly,

508
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: so that means that somebody had to pick him up

509
00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: and bring him out of there.

510
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 7: Is he sure as hell didn't walk out of there?

511
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 7: So who's helping him? As my next question and then

512
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 7: my best guess, I'm where he would run being he

513
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 7: has a lot of family in the Tampa Bay area

514
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 7: in Florida, So my guess is he's probably on his

515
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Speaker 7: way to Florida.

516
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Speaker 13: Well, and Nancy, I want to go back for a

517
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Speaker 13: second to what you said about why she might have

518
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 13: dropped that charge, you know, because it ties into exactly

519
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 13: to what he's saying. You know, it's been proven that she,

520
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 13: you know, twenty twelve, reached out to an advocacy center

521
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 13: and didn't feel like she had the safety planning she

522
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Speaker 13: needed to get out of there, you know, in a

523
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 13: safe manner. So there's a million reasons why women drop

524
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 13: these cases all the time, but the main one is

525
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 13: they're not sure that they can stay safe. So the

526
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 13: best option for staying face which sounds absurd from the outside,

527
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 13: but it's to stay in the environment where you know

528
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 13: that you are not going to be killed. Unfortunately, what

529
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 13: we've discovered here is that, and I go back to

530
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 13: mister Brandt, just how calculating this man is. He didn't snap.

531
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Speaker 13: He chose to wait in an area of mandatory travel

532
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 13: for this man, for this judge, which was his home.

533
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 13: Anytime you're in an area where you have to be,

534
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 13: you know, that's an area of mandatory travel, and that's

535
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 13: where most people are killed. So he was waiting for him,

536
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 13: and while he was there, he chose to kill him

537
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 13: at a place where security is not as tight as

538
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 13: a courthouse. Right it's his home. It's the place he

539
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 13: can relax and go to his mailbox or do whatever

540
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 13: he needs to do. And we know that twenty percent

541
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Speaker 13: of people killed in domestic violence related homicides our friend's family,

542
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 13: first responders, and yes, judges, and so now we can see,

543
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 13: you know, we wonder why she dropped it. She knew

544
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 13: how lethal he was and how calculating, and it all

545
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 13: played out in this driveway.

546
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Speaker 2: I agree or disagree, Jessica Garth strongly agree.

547
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 9: I think that I also read in one of the

548
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 9: articles that she agreed to drop the protective order because

549
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 9: there had been some sort of an agreement reached between

550
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 9: them they would be living separately, and I think I

551
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 9: also read that at some point they were just living

552
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 9: in separate areas of the home. But you know, an

553
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 9: agreement like that, you have to wonder whether she actually

554
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 9: had any power to make an agreement like that and

555
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 9: to actually be safe, because we're talking about a woman

556
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 9: who was being financially abused, who did not have her

557
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 9: own source of income. She stated that her biggest fear

558
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 9: was that he was going to take her children from her.

559
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm sure that she felt coerced in some

560
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 9: way to drop what would have been an official, you know,

561
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 9: protective order in order to come to this agreement, which

562
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 9: ultimately did not really protect or her or her children

563
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 9: any further than they already were on.

564
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Speaker 1: What was happening to her and her children right now.

565
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: Certainly they're not still sitting in that house like sitting

566
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: Dugs Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me ask you this,

567
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Jessica Garth and Shannon Henry. Jessica, do you ever think

568
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: about a defendant coming after you?

569
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

570
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: At the time I was prosecuting, I really didn't think

571
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: about it. Although my tires were slip my car winners

572
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: were broken multiple times, my door was kicked in, my

573
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: mailbox was knocked over.

574
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: I had a lot of threats, got death threats, blah

575
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But I never really.

576
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: Felt at the time anyway that anything was going to

577
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: happen to me. I don't know why I had that

578
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: frame of mind. I guess I was just, you know,

579
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: thought I was invincible.

580
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

581
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 9: I've had actually defendants approach me in the community when

582
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 9: I've been out and about, and it is It's truly chilling.

583
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 9: It's a very very uncomfortable situation. And you really do

584
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 9: realize how I'm pretted you are as a civil servant

585
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 9: when you're out in the community and somebody just walks

586
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 9: up to you and says, hey, do you remember me?

587
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 9: So you know U yeah.

588
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: I feel very.

589
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 9: Much for the judge's family and for the judgment when

590
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 9: people come up to me.

591
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Now, I never know where they are are, where they witness,

592
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: are they a defendant? And I will never forget coming

593
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: down the courthouse steps. It was a really bad child

594
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: molestation case and the perp had actually, I think he

595
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: said he had twenty five natural children. Okay, so many

596
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: of them were grown when I walked down the steps

597
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: side of that courthouse. They were all there angry and

598
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: what actually threatened me? And I think it was so

599
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: soon after my fiance's murder.

600
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Speaker 2: I turned around and said.

601
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Do it, do it right here, do it shoot me?

602
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Because I was just so worn out and really didn't care.

603
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: And then suddenly they'll back down. I went to my

604
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: car next day on my tires were slipped.

605
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Speaker 2: That said that ends you me? What about it, Shannon Henry, I.

606
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Speaker 13: Think you know, we all have to be careful when

607
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 13: we're putting ourselves in positions to protect others. Obviously, just

608
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 13: like we see with Judge Wilkinson, our goateate clearly switched

609
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 13: his attention from his wife to our goate because he

610
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 13: lost his power and control in his mind from our goatee.

611
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 13: So we decided to take it back.

612
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Speaker 1: The car has been found. Take a listen hour cut

613
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Speaker 1: twenty two PIO.

614
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Speaker 3: This morning at approximately eleven am, the suspects vehicle was

615
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: located in a wooded area off of Bottom Road that's

616
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: in Williamsport, Maryland, on the Tannery property. If you're familiar

617
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: with Williamsport, A search has started and is ongoing.

618
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: To you, Christopher Gavin joining us from the messenger. Where

619
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Speaker 1: is that in relation to where the judge was shot

620
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: and where the defendant's.

621
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Speaker 6: Home is typically speaking your call relatively in the same area,

622
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Speaker 6: I mean not far where the car not far at all.

623
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 6: It's about seven miles from Haterstown.

624
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Okay, IRV Brandt, this is where you and Mike hats

625
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: all come in again. Or Brent, let's think this thing through.

626
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: He's dumped his Mercedes, was he on foot? Did he

627
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: have help? Did he catch an uber? What do we

628
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: do now to find out in which direction.

629
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: He's had it?

630
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Speaker 8: Everything that you just said, could have had help, could

631
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 8: have took an uber, could have had another car staged.

632
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 8: He had a plan that he implemented. He had an

633
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 8: assassination plan, and he had an escape plan. So there's

634
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 8: many possibilities, and the investigation is going to lead in

635
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 8: many directions. There's going to be a lot of investigators

636
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 8: from state, local, and federal authorities, and they'll pursue every

637
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 8: investigative the lead.

638
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: When you say every investigative lead, I thank you mean

639
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Speaker 1: I'm aternport. You're gonna look at rental cars, You're gonna

640
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: look at flights, Chriskevin, you can tell me the closest

641
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: airport to there.

642
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: You're gonna look at toll booths.

643
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna look at tag grabbers if you can figure

644
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: out what cars in You're gonna look at business video

645
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: traffic cams to see which direction.

646
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna start.

647
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: Rousting friends, relatives, and other jurisdictions such as Jersey, New York,

648
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: and Florida finding out if they've been in contact. You're

649
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna ping his phone. We don't know anything about whether

650
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: his phone was still in that car.

651
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: Is he's smart enough to get a burner? What's the

652
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: phone in the car? Chris Gavin? Do we know that?

653
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 6: We don't know right now?

654
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: That tells me it was not in the car. And

655
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Speaker 1: this is how the car was found. Take a lis'ten

656
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Speaker 1: just shareff Brian k Albert in twenty four.

657
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Speaker 5: It was a local resident to found it. I think

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Speaker 5: they owned some property in the area there. It is

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Speaker 5: muzzleloader season here in Maryland for deer, so the hunters

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Speaker 5: were out today and that's I don't know if that's

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Speaker 5: why they were in the area, but you know that

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Speaker 5: it's kind of a high recreation area. The Cno Canal

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Speaker 5: runs south of there, so you know, it's a frequent

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Speaker 5: by residents here in the community and munication.

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Speaker 2: How long have you proceed there was injured.

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Speaker 5: World, We don't know that at this time. We we

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Speaker 5: do know that, you know, we found by local resident

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Speaker 5: here about eleven o'clock this morning off Bottom Route. It's

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Speaker 5: pretty remote area, so it could have been there since

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Speaker 5: Thursday night or sometime Friday.

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Speaker 1: That didn't help anything. This guy's got a heck of.

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Speaker 2: A lead and more from the sheriff and our cut

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Speaker 2: at twenty six. This tells me a lot o the car.

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Speaker 5: I mean, definitely that's a possibility that he is not

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Speaker 5: in the area, but we have to clear this area

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Speaker 5: to make sure. It's it's a pretty big area that

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Speaker 5: we're looking at him, you know, it's it's one hundreds

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Speaker 5: of acres in there that you know, within a ten

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Speaker 5: minute walk, you can you can be a lot of

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Speaker 5: places down there.

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Speaker 6: Especially with the canal.

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Speaker 5: There's a railroad track that runs through and then mother

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Speaker 5: on local roads. So we're just clearing it just to

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Speaker 5: you know, we can say, hey, he's not here or

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Speaker 5: we hopefully we can locate him.

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Speaker 1: And he goes on to indicate that they don't believe

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Speaker 1: he's still in the area.

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Speaker 2: Chris Gavin, what does that mean? Is that actually correct?

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Speaker 6: I mean, from the outside of the investigation, it's unclear.

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Speaker 6: But obviously I think when authority say something like that,

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Speaker 6: they typically have it on good word or have come

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Speaker 6: across something in their investigation that would make them truly

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Speaker 6: believe that.

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Speaker 8: The last two days or so, we've.

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Speaker 6: Seen the Sheriff's office post on social media the page

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Speaker 6: for kIPS to the US Marshall Service, So you know,

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Speaker 6: I think they're really trying to get the public's help

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Speaker 6: to look beyond their accounting jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: At this point, according to the Sheriff's office, they do

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Speaker 1: not believe he's in the area where his Mercedes was

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Speaker 1: found abandoned. There is a ten thousand dollars reward for

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Speaker 1: anyone that can help find this guy. Final word to you,

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Speaker 1: IRV Brandt. US Marshall Service says he's got ties to

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Speaker 1: multiple locations Brooklyn, Long Island, other places in New York, Tampa, Clearwater, Columbus, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Wow, as in Elena hay Stack or is it? IRV Brandt?

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Speaker 8: It sounds daunting, Nancy, But in reality, it's not. Like

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Speaker 8: I said before, the Marshall Service has an extensive fugitive network.

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Speaker 8: They will pursue every leak there's We have offices and

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Speaker 8: task forces in every city, every county in this nation.

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Speaker 8: There's going to be no lack of manpower in pursuing

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Speaker 8: these this investigation. I can tell you that I'm confident

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Speaker 8: that it's already been designated as a major case. And

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Speaker 8: the longer he stays on the run, a case like

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Speaker 8: this could eventually end up being a US Martial Service

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Speaker 8: most warning case.

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Speaker 1: And you know, bottom line in cases like this, the

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Speaker 1: judge was shot the very day the judge awarded the

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Speaker 1: defendant's wife a partial judgment of absolute divorce, granting custody

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Speaker 1: of their children to her. And now he is ensured

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Speaker 1: that he will never have custody. He has shot a

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Speaker 1: judge dead, and he is on the run, showing no.

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Speaker 2: Love for his children at all.

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Speaker 1: Tip line eight seven seven ninety two six eight three

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Speaker 1: three to two repeat US Marshals eight seven seven nine

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Speaker 1: two six eight three three two.

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Speaker 2: Man, you can run, but you can't hide. Goodbye, friends,