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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passions. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Hey when did Brian Campbell look Persian? I don't know

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Speaker 3: about that, but he figured it out.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, Let's see. It is the twelfth of April twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three and it's time for a Wednesday edition of

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Speaker 3: Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm nearly one

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Speaker 3: half of your hosting duo. I join you from the

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Speaker 3: capital of the status of Needles right here.

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Speaker 4: In Washington, d C. Joined by boy.

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Speaker 3: Look at this back to back Canadians here on the

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Speaker 3: show today.

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Speaker 4: Can you believe that? Joining me now filling in for

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Speaker 4: the one Brian Campbell is my friend and yours. It's

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Speaker 4: Shaquille Majority. Hi, Shack, how are you, buddy?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Clearly I still got some work to

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Speaker 5: do though, because I saw that Aaron Braunstetter got his

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Speaker 5: own graphic the other day. Yes here, I am swerving

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Speaker 5: the folks.

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Speaker 3: You got no graphics. You ain't shit up in this bitch.

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Speaker 3: Nice to see you, Shack. By the way, what part

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Speaker 3: of Canada? Are you in Vancouver?

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Speaker 5: So you know UFC two eighty nine coming to my

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Speaker 5: neck of the woods. Very excited. Not the main event

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Speaker 5: I dreamed about, but I'll take it. You know, I

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Speaker 5: can't beggars, can't be choosing when they come up this

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Speaker 5: side of the planet like once a year.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I gotta also say, I hear the strip

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Speaker 3: clubs in Vancouver are legit?

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Speaker 4: Is that true? No comment? Yeah, they're legit. I know

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Speaker 4: you've been up there, you dirty dog.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Shaq is one of our whoops, move this

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Speaker 3: out of the way. Shaq is one of our coworkers,

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Speaker 3: our colleagues at CBS Sports. He does great work. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna talk about some of that here in today's show,

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Speaker 3: but we have a lot to get to today. So

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Speaker 3: let's see Max Holloway is coming back this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about Max Holloway versus Arnold Allen and the

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Speaker 3: rest of that card. There's a PFL event this weekend

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Speaker 3: as well, we'll talk about that, and of course there's

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Speaker 3: some of those pieces. Plus we're gonna do buy or

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Speaker 3: sell with Shaq. We've got five of those to hit

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Speaker 3: as well, So thumbs up. If you watching on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: out there and Shaq, are you ready?

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Speaker 4: But shack up. We've done one show together.

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Speaker 5: I think we have not so if we're doing some

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Speaker 5: inside baseball here I was doing the math. I think

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Speaker 5: you and I are supposed to do it together four

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Speaker 5: times and every time something's come up, including you asking

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Speaker 5: me like the day I was proposing to my fiance

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Speaker 5: now fiances. So I'm glad we can finally make it happen.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well here we are, We're good to go.

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Speaker 3: We'll plug this at the end. But I don't want

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Speaker 3: to just plug it at the end. You do a

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Speaker 3: lot of interviews. You have your own YouTube channel. Again,

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Speaker 3: folks can find it at the MMA hub of cbspars

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Speaker 3: dot com. Fair enough, yes, But independent of that, where

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Speaker 3: else can they find your stuff?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as I'm sure you know because it's blasted on

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Speaker 5: the show every single week. Shack MMA on YouTube is

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Speaker 5: but hey man, it's the name I was given. I'm

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Speaker 5: doing the best I can. Twitter at Shaq who is

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Speaker 4: Sorry, h yeah, probably probably if I've never done it.

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Speaker 5: Things, right, like you don't do any of the too

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Speaker 4: But I'm missing out, welcome. I'm working too hard, Luke.

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Speaker 4: You know what, Yes, I know, I know. I know.

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Speaker 3: When I was your age and I was doing this

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Speaker 3: here if we can. Topic number one, UFC Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: So we talked about this as well, Shaq. I don't

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Speaker 3: They're gonna turn a profit. But this is one I

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Speaker 5: really an argument you can make. If Arnold Allen beats

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Speaker 3: All right, Hold lets time, let's time out on hand Wet.

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Speaker 3: just a second. I like everything he was saying there.

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Speaker 3: This is a strange one. Now obviously it doesn't matter. Well, okay,

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Speaker 3: rematch right away. I'm not necessarily in favor of that,

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Speaker 3: Assuming that Volkanovsky wins and Arnold wins, really no issue.

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Speaker 3: You would imagine Arnold beating Max Holloway should that happen,

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Speaker 3: ear Max two? I suppose you could do that, or

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Speaker 3: if Volkanovsky wins, you could do of course you could

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Speaker 3: if he eeks to the finish line. I just don't

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Speaker 3: understand how they might go there. All right, we got

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Speaker 3: shack back shack. How's your sound?

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Speaker 4: Now? You be the judge of that? Man, I don't

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Speaker 3: Sounds good? It sounds good, all right, So what do

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Speaker 3: you make of my assessment? Obviously, so there's two parts

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Speaker 3: of this, right, If ya ear wins, do you think

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Speaker 3: they do an automatic rematch? And on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the case, what do they do if Max wins?

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Speaker 4: Either way?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think obviously from Max, kind of like with

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Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker, his best case scenario is if you get

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Speaker 5: he's lost three times to Alexander Volkanowski at this point,

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Speaker 4: So how old is Max Holloway? He currently? He was

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Speaker 3: you hear me right now?

434
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Speaker 4: I can hear you?

435
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 5: You sound I cutting out at all during this conversation?

436
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Speaker 4: Okay?

437
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 5: You know what, I I know a lot of people

438
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 5: give you guys crap for this. I'd never have audio

439
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 5: issues when I'm doing my own thing. You know, when

440
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 5: you do your own thing, usually I think.

441
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 4: It's just a curse.

442
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 5: I think there's some higher power or some sort of

443
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 5: evil presence. I don't believe in that stuff, but I

444
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 5: do today.

445
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 4: You might have to today.

446
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: All right, But let's get to my point here and

447
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 3: we'll backtrack a little bit. But starting here, Max Holloway

448
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 3: turned thirty one in December, So in thirty one you'd

449
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 3: be like, well, that's not that old. But Max started again.

450
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 3: I did some of the math poorly on air, roughly

451
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Speaker 3: twenty years old. We went to the UFC in roughly

452
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 3: eighteen or nineteen when he started in pro mma. All

453
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Speaker 3: of that time in his twenties in the UFC against

454
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: a murderer's row the entire time. He's a very old

455
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Speaker 3: thirty one true or false?

456
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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely true?

457
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Speaker 5: And I think it makes it all the more remarkable

458
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 5: that outside of title fights, the fights of Volkanovsky, as

459
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 5: well as the Dustin Porrier fight up a division, he

460
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 5: hasn't lost since the twenty thirteen Connor McGregor beat him

461
00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 5: like it is remarkable how consistent, how dominant in many

462
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 5: cases he's been for such a long time against the

463
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Speaker 5: very very best. And that's sort of what I was

464
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 5: trying to get to before the NK God sort of interfered.

465
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 5: Is he's been the one A or the one B

466
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 5: at featherweight for so long that if he continues to

467
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 5: get gridlocked out of the title picture because Volkanowski continues

468
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: to win, what's his primary motivating factor driving force?

469
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Speaker 4: Right? It was a conversation that I had with Sean.

470
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 5: She And ahead of Anderson Silva's fight against Aryah Hall,

471
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Speaker 5: and we were kind of talking about retirement. Not to

472
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Speaker 5: suggest that Max needs to retire furthest thing from that,

473
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Speaker 5: but when I asked what's the right time for a

474
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Speaker 5: fighter to retire, Sean said, what is that fighter's purpose

475
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 5: for competing? And can he still get it done? Max

476
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 5: Holloway could certainly be the champion right now if it

477
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Speaker 5: weren't for Volkanovski. But if Max can't get back to

478
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 5: the title as a matter of circumstance for the next

479
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 5: several years, what's his purpose for fighting? That's what I

480
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 5: really want to see tonight on Saturday. U, what is

481
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Speaker 5: your gut?

482
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: Tell you about what kind of Max Hollowy We're gonna

483
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 3: get just your gut.

484
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say that.

485
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 5: The division is beginning to catch up to him, or

486
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Speaker 5: that maybe he's sort of starting to tap down taper

487
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Speaker 5: off of the peak.

488
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Speaker 4: But I'm not ready to count him out yet.

489
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Speaker 5: You know, he is statistically the most active striker in

490
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Speaker 5: UFC by a country mile. I mean, I have the

491
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Speaker 5: stats somewhere here, if I can pull it up, two

492
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: nine hundred and seventy five strikes landed. The next closest

493
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Speaker 5: is Frankie Edgar at eighteen oh one, and three of

494
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 5: the top five have retired, so he's just going to

495
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 5: keep building that. And I think as a fan, I

496
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 5: don't want to say that Max Alloway is over the hill,

497
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Speaker 5: and he's not like he'd just be Yaya Rodriguez, right,

498
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Speaker 5: And we know.

499
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Speaker 3: That was twenty twenty one, that was twenty twenty three,

500
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Speaker 3: So I guess we'll have to see how much people

501
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Speaker 3: decline over time.

502
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Speaker 5: But I'm not ready to count him out yet. I

503
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 5: think I think this Saturday is going to answer all

504
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 5: these questions that we have. I'm still pulling for Holloway

505
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 5: in this one. I don't think we've seen Arnold Allen

506
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 5: have a clean win over a very top level guy.

507
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 5: The Calvin Cator fight, as a matter of injury, was

508
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 5: a little inconclusive. He looked great, but we don't know

509
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 5: how high Arnold Allen's ceiling is, in part because of

510
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 5: his inactivity. Right on average, he's fought like one point

511
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 5: four times a year, ten fights over seven years, so

512
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 5: this is his proving ground. And I just think Max

513
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 5: Halloway has been too good for too.

514
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Speaker 3: Long to count him out quite yet. I think that's fair.

515
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Speaker 3: Wouldn't want to count him out. Don't want to be

516
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Speaker 3: in that space. What about the other idea that I've

517
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Speaker 3: brought up? So to me, like the big one is

518
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Speaker 3: just I mean, the biggest question is what kind of

519
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Speaker 3: Max Holloway are we going to get?

520
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Speaker 4: Right, That's the number one question.

521
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Speaker 3: But I'm not so much concerned about what kind of

522
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Speaker 3: Arnold Allen we're going to get. I think we're going

523
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Speaker 3: to get a pretty good one. But the difference is

524
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: he has a much more measured fight style. I went

525
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Speaker 3: through the numbers. He averages I think less than half

526
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Speaker 3: the strikes landed per minute that Max does, which granted

527
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: it's a very high number, but still it's less than

528
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: half or right around half anyway. And on the other side,

529
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Speaker 3: you know maxis has this ability. Assuming we get Max,

530
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: that is relatively similar to the one that we've had previously.

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Speaker 3: He's just going to force volume on Arnold. Can he

532
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Speaker 3: her mind pull Arnold into a bit of a war

533
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Speaker 3: in ways where Arnold likes to slow the fight down,

534
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Speaker 3: put it at his pace, Max just might force him

535
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Speaker 3: out of that.

536
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: Certainly.

537
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Speaker 5: I think it's a bit of an inevitability with Max

538
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 5: because we've seen guys like Frankie Edgar try and slow

539
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 5: down that pace. And the reason Volkanovsky had so much success,

540
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 5: and the reason that Rodriguez did as well as he did,

541
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 5: is because they've gotten to a point where they can

542
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 5: match that sort of style, right Like, you're not going

543
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: to slow Max all the way down. There are very

544
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 5: few people that can hold him down, force him against

545
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 5: the clinch like he's been preparing for that for a

546
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: very very long time now, and I think Arnold Allen

547
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 5: is going to need to take the fight to him Max.

548
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: Maxis has too much volume to lose on the scorecards

549
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 5: in most cases, right Like, we still see judges putting

550
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 5: a lot of emphasis on strikes, and visually it's just

551
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 5: hard to beat out a guy like Max round to

552
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 5: round because he's putting so much volume on his opponents.

553
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how that's going to go too, where

554
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: if it's just a volume issue, but the quality is

555
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: relatively similar. Also, here's another thing too, like I had

556
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 3: a conversation with Chris Curtis and again I don't know this,

557
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: I can't prove this, and it was just something I

558
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: thought I shared with him because he was distraught after

559
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: his last loss to Kevin Gaslam over the weekend. And

560
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: you know, again I can't prove the shock. But one

561
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 3: thing I'm kind of got my eye on is to

562
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: what extent the body work doesn't get properly counted by judges.

563
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: Dan Tomas tweeting this to me something similar as well.

564
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Speaker 3: Max is a headhunter as a headhunter, so he'll pop

565
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: people's heads back or you know, push them off balance

566
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: by landing all the time. You know, he does get

567
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: hit in the line of fire for it, but that is,

568
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: at least on the offensive side, a very effective way

569
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: to get the judges on your side.

570
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 5: Oh well, I think Aaron Bronstadter brought it up on

571
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: Monday's show that I feel like judges are still really

572
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 5: under emphasizing the value of leg kicks. I mean, it's

573
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: hilarious because is he credited Alex for the leg kicks

574
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 5: setting up the finish in the fifth round of their

575
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 5: first MMA fight, Right, Like, there's something so visceral and

576
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 5: sort of visually painful about seeing someone get hit in

577
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: the face that we, oftentimes, I think undervalue the other work.

578
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 5: Like you can make the argument in many cases that

579
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 5: if shots to the head don't knock down, knock out,

580
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 5: or cut your opponent, they may not have as much

581
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 5: of a long term impact over the course of a

582
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 5: fight as the way that body shots can sort of

583
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: drain your gas tank or leg kicks can immobilize an opponent.

584
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 5: You just don't for what reason, we don't view it

585
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 5: in the same way. But if you're talking about scoring

586
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 5: an MMA as impactful strikes, I think a lot of

587
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 5: times the body shots and the leg kicks take a

588
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: bigger toll on the fighter over the course of a fight,

589
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 5: and they're just not really credited for as much as

590
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 5: they should be.

591
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: I really believe that, Like, if you want a body

592
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: shot to count in the judges, you got a fold

593
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: a guy, Yeah, you know what I mean. Or like

594
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: let's say you take a bodykick and it leaves like

595
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: a big old Welt or something, some kind of something

596
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 3: that the judges can literally, oh, I can connect the

597
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: dots between them or something. Without that, I just don't

598
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: know exactly how much good they're doing.

599
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: It remains to be seen. Well, I guess, sorry, just interject.

600
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: I guess part of the problem is this kind of

601
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 5: falls back into the idea of scoring a fight round

602
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 5: by a round or by totality.

603
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: Right, Like, if you don't get to see.

604
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: The impact or the work that is done from a

605
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 5: leg kick or a body shot until round four, round five,

606
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 5: you don't have enough evidence to support the damage that

607
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: those strikes are doing earlier in a fight.

608
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 4: Right.

609
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: So I think we'd see to play out very differently

610
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 5: if you were a school at scoring it in totality.

611
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: To your point, this is a five round fight. We'll

612
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: see what investment early leads too late should it go along.

613
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 3: We do have a couple of clips from Arnold Allen that

614
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 3: I would like to play. This is from our sit

615
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: down with him on RSD. We asked him about all

616
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: of the damage catching up to Max and what he

617
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: thinks it might mean. Here was his answer, Hey, what's up, Mikey.

618
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: What are we doing here?

619
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: My guys?

620
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: I mean just you gotta be shipping me here today,

621
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 4: Mikey be there, buddy. All right, I don't know what's happening.

622
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: I re enacted. I think I remember what he said.

623
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: What did I actually I was hoping to see it

624
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: because I actually don't remember what he said.

625
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 5: I got you, I got you. Give me one second here.

626
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, he's he's Max totally.

627
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: He's great.

628
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's one of the things I always he's smiled.

629
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 6: It's just it's gonna catch up here. It doesn't matter

630
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 6: how old you if you have twenty fights, when every

631
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 6: fight is a back and forth fifty to fifty, you.

632
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: Know, in a bit of a war.

633
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 6: Even even where he's been very dominant, he's taking a

634
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 6: lot of shots. So yeah, then the mums have got

635
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 6: right up.

636
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: Definitely, they're definitely gonna add up. Now we have one

637
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: more for him. I'd like to play as well. Back

638
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: to back. We asked him, like about what it means

639
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: to be fighting Max Holloway in the significance to it

640
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: for him? What is how does he view this opportunity?

641
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: Here's what he said.

642
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always not watching Max. He's I mean, who

643
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 6: hasn't you know he's fun to watch. He seems like

644
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 6: the top floak not when he fights, so he's he

645
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 6: hits you.

646
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: Shaking his hand, he's talks, he talks to the comment.

647
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so there's that you need to be aware of that.

648
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 6: He's a he's a nice guy outside the cage, but

649
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 6: in there, Nah.

650
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 7: But you have do you have to walk through that

651
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 7: aura at all or any other opponents you fought or

652
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 7: or or is Max the first time were you're sort

653
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 7: of like, I gotta check any level of respect in

654
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 7: in in legend status putting outside it's just another fight.

655
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, when I thought Gilbert Mellendez it was it was

656
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 6: a little bit of that. But then it was like

657
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: once ago, you know this guy. But yeah before yeah, yeah,

658
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 6: before I'm looking at his tape and watching him fight,

659
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 6: don't he's done this, He's done that, He's done that.

660
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 6: And then yeah, who won't you're in there, I'm gonna

661
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 6: beat this guy. So yeah, there's no h being overwhelmed

662
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 6: with who it is and it's just another man, isn't it.

663
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: Arnold's Arnold's a competitor. He's been doing this a while.

664
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 3: To your point, he doesn't have a ton of activity,

665
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: and so maybe that hurts him. But I'm not in

666
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: any way worried about Arnold bringing the.

667
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: Fight to him on Saturday.

668
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 5: No, particularly the last couple, like there were so many

669
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 5: decisions and like you mentioned, fights where he sort of

670
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 5: brings the fight down to his pace. But the Dan

671
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 5: Hooker one was wild, the Calvin Cater one was fun

672
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: for as long as it's lasted.

673
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: I don't know what's changed.

674
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 5: There were definitely a couple of fights where you had

675
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 5: to kind of come back from behind to win. So

676
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: maybe he's been putting more emphasis on sort of starting fast,

677
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 5: But dude, it's exciting. The thing with Arnold Allen is

678
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 5: though ry. It's been such a slow burn, a consequence

679
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 5: of a couple injuries on his part, his opponents falling out.

680
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 5: Like we have waited for this moment for so long.

681
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: I remember interviewing Arnold Allen back when me and Kajan

682
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: Johnson when he was sold to the UFC, interviewing him

683
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 5: on our old podcast. So it's cool to see this

684
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: isn't a guy who came out of nowhere, but it's

685
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: someone who's been bubbling for a long time that a

686
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: lot of the casual audience may not be too familiar

687
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: with as we saw on room service diaries. Underneath that

688
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 5: sort of like shy personal personality, there's a lot of

689
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 5: character to the guy.

690
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: So I hope, I hope people start really.

691
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 5: Sort of understanding who Arnold Allen is as a person

692
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 5: and as a fighter.

693
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: He was delightful in person, man truly like man, yeah,

694
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: sweet guy, humble. Uh you know, I do I do

695
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: think he wants to make some money in his career.

696
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: I saw the ESPN put out something some kind of

697
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: like hype video for like thirty minutes or something on

698
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: their YouTube channel, and I watched it last night and

699
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: they were talking about like, oh, Arnold doesn't want it,

700
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: just wants to be the best in the world.

701
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: He doesn't even want any money.

702
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, he wants some money, but I

703
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: do believe that like what really motivates him When you

704
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: talk to the guy, he definitely is just committed to

705
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: the craft, very very committed to the craft. And to

706
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: your point, like that Cater fight, that would have been

707
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: such a proving ground had it gone longer. So there's

708
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: questions both ways here, not in terms of all these

709
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: guys bad, we know they're very good, but exactly how

710
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: good are they going to be in these particular circumstances.

711
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: This is a great laboratory on Saturday night in Kansas City.

712
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm just so excited to see what happens. Like

713
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 5: I was looking at Sudik Usef fight and that was

714
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 5: a twenty nine to twenty eight. So when you look

715
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: at a two to one round fight against the guy

716
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: who's behind you in the division, I think Sadiq's like

717
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: ranked number twelve right now. It bears questions. But at

718
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 5: the same time, what we saw with Calvin and Rob Fond,

719
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: for example, after those big beatings that they took against

720
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: Max Holloway and against Marlinchi doveris efectively is like, maybe

721
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 5: sometimes guys are fighting too much. Like we always praised

722
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland for his activity, but we saw how it

723
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 5: sort of came to bite him as he rocketed up

724
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 5: the division. Arnold Allen has had a lot of time

725
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 5: to improve between fights, and I think it makes reading

726
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 5: tape on him really challenging because when you're only fighting

727
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: once a year, there's so much development being done on

728
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 5: the back end that you don't see.

729
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: Until fight night.

730
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 5: So I'm having a hard time predicting what he's gonna

731
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: look like and as a consequence, like I have no

732
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 5: idea what Max Holloway is in for.

733
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: Also on this card, by the way, Max Halloway a

734
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: minus one eighty favorite Arnold Allen plus one fifty five.

735
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: I think that's about right.

736
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: I would not I would not be so bold as

737
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: to make Max the underdog, but I think that's probably fair.

738
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: But your co main event super interesting one. I don't

739
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: know what's left for Edson Barbosa, but we're gonna find out.

740
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: At plus one fifty five, he is the underdog to

741
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: Billy Quarantillo. Billy Quarantilla having a dominant or I should say,

742
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: an amazing win in his last contest, But I don't

743
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: know what we got from Edsond Barbosa. It feels like

744
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: for me, Shack, it feels like he's been figured out.

745
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: Two problems with Barbosa right. One is his style has

746
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: been figured out, where if you just kind of crowd

747
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: him and you know, put the pressure on him, he

748
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: just can't get going with the kinds of kick, the

749
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: kind of kicking attacking game that has really lifted him

750
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: to this point.

751
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 4: The other side is that dude, he's taken.

752
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: Out beating I mean, he's been beaten the fuck up

753
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: over the course of his career. Billy Quarantillo gets hit,

754
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: but he has shown us some new wrinkles himself.

755
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: Size this one up for me.

756
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 3: What do you see as the dominant potential factors that

757
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: you're looking and that could influence how this one goes.

758
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 5: I'm not entirely ready to cast off Atson Barbosa quite yet.

759
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: To your point, the style has been figured out, but

760
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 5: he's clearly struggling with guys in the top fifteen. But

761
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 5: he has an experience level and power and a striking

762
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: style that's going to carry him until I think the

763
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: chin starts giving out. Billy has a ridiculous striking output.

764
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: I was, I was taking a look at it. According

765
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: to the UFC Stats Fight Metric, it's seven point eight

766
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: eight strikes landed per minute. The UFC Records page has

767
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: it a bit lower, but if it is indeed seven

768
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 5: point eight eight, that puts in number three at all

769
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: time for strikes landed per minute, behind Casey O'Neal and

770
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 5: Sergey Pavlovich. The problem is he absorbs five point seventy

771
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: two at a rate of a forty percent striking defense.

772
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna have to employ a much more

773
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 5: diverse strategy. You said that we saw Edson getting crowded

774
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 5: a lot, big reason for why lost to Bryce Mitchell.

775
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 5: He's young, he has a lot of room to improve.

776
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 5: It's a bit of a quick turnaround.

777
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 4: For Billy Q.

778
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: I just don't know how confident I am that a

779
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 5: twenty four percent takedown rate one point five to five

780
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 5: for fifteen minutes. I don't just don't know if that's

781
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: going to be sufficient enough against an Edson Barbosa that

782
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 5: has been dealing with this kind of game plan basically

783
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 5: his whole career. Like, if the wrestling and the clinching

784
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: and the forward pressure is not your bread and butter,

785
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: I don't know how much success you're gonna have. And

786
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 5: I just worry that Billy cu'es a little too hittable

787
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 5: and Edsen Barboza still has the power that can carry

788
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: him at the stage.

789
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 4: Pop quiz How old is Edson Barboza? Oh?

790
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: Man, I bet he's not as old as it feels.

791
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 5: Let's say thirty four.

792
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: Billy Quarantillo is thirty four, Edson Barbosos thirty seven, thirty seven. Boy,

793
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: let me just say this, thirty seven, and you know

794
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: this is as well as anyone thirty seven at one hundred.

795
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: And forty five pounds. That's a tough place to be.

796
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: Now, I think your general point is well taken. And

797
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: again we talked about primes. Everyone's goes shorter longer. I'm

798
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: gonna guess that. I here's my read. My read is

799
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: that your analysis is pretty fair. That it would be

800
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: the odds I mentioned them, they're very very close. Barboza

801
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: sitting at plus f fifty five, Corntillo at minus one eighty,

802
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: basically the almost exact name mods in certain ways as

803
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: the main event.

804
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: But I I think that.

805
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: I don't need to believe the point, Dude thirty seven,

806
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: like the that's just the winning records of guys age

807
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: thirty five. It A one hundred and forty five at

808
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: the elite is not great, It's not I it's just

809
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: a really, really rough place to be. So wouldn't I

810
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: think you're fair? I think it's fair. Wouldn't want to

811
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: dismiss it. But here's the other part too, Right, he

812
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: could beat up corn Tilla for the first round and

813
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: then kind of fade a little bit, and then the

814
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: whole fight can change too. So he like, this is

815
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 3: the thing with Vitor. After Vitor got off TRT, everyone

816
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: was like, oh, he sucks now, well sort of, he

817
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: had three minutes of fury, like Brian Campbell on Prom Night.

818
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: He had three minutes of fury he could give you

819
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: and then then he would fall apart.

820
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: But like, look at it.

821
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: Look at Vitor's hands and like the wide Men fight

822
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: that came after his hands early were still good.

823
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 4: It's just he kind of faded pretty quickly.

824
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: That's a different scenario, much older fighter, and then there

825
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: was obviously some chemical issues involved.

826
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

827
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if Barboza is really built for the long

828
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: haul in these fights where he can't get the guy

829
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: out of there early enough.

830
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 5: I would love to know what kind of back to

831
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 5: the Max Holloway point is what Edson Barbosa's motivation is

832
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 5: at this point, because for me, if I was Edsen Barboza,

833
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be going into this fight with a ton

834
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: of pressure because win or lose, He's not getting back

835
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: into the title scene. If he has sort of a

836
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 5: Jim Miller mindset to the whole thing, I feel like

837
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: he could stick around a little bit longer. But this

838
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 5: is a big fight for Billy Q. Man like this

839
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 5: is this is a chance you Edson Barboza still has

840
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 5: enough name value and Billy Q has an exciting style

841
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 5: that the UFC favors. If Billy can win this one,

842
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 5: we're gonna start talking about what's next form of the division.

843
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: I just considering the fall from grace that Alexander Hernandez has.

844
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: I still have questions about how far Billy Q can

845
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 5: take this, but.

846
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 3: I'd be very excited to see his name in the mix.

847
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Also on this card, it's not the best card, but

848
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: it's not a terrible card. You've got Dustin Jacobe taken

849
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: on Azamat Morzakhanov. That's, I guess, a fun ish contest.

850
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 4: Someone's getting knocked out. Someone's probably gonna get knocked out.

851
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: I think it's a fair way to put it.

852
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: But what it's more interesting to me is down at

853
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: two oh five and it's not quite a pick them,

854
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: but it's pretty close. Ewan kut Laba minus one twenty

855
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: five taking on former heavyweight now two oh fiver Tanner Bosser,

856
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: one of your Canadian brethren.

857
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 4: What kind of how do I say this?

858
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: What are your expectations for Tanner Bosser at two oh five.

859
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 5: It's complex because one of the things he had going

860
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 5: for him at heavyweight is that much like the newer

861
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 5: heavyweights we see, he's very athletic, right.

862
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: Nimble, moves around well.

863
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: It's the sort of heavyweight style that's starting to take

864
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: over that division, and the fact that he couldn't crack

865
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 5: it at heavyweight the way guys like Tom aspinall have

866
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 5: makes me question how much success he's going to have

867
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 5: a weight class down. The power may carry that'll serve

868
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 5: him really well, but he's just going to be fighting

869
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 5: guys who are faster, who are momobile, who have a

870
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 5: lot of the same skill or some sort of the

871
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: same athletic benefits that he had. So I'm curious, but

872
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 5: I don't have a ton of confidence that Tanna is

873
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: going to make a very serious run of two hundred

874
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 5: and five pounds.

875
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. I think I share some of

876
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: your skepticism. Only thirty one years of age, for what

877
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: it's worth, and has looked decent certainly at times he's

878
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, that missing tooth with the beer thing he

879
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 3: can do with the beer can.

880
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 4: It's pretty amazing, you know. It's all nice on.

881
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 5: Some sort of he has a story about having to

882
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 5: man when we talked about this, the memory is.

883
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: A little foggy, but I think him and his brother

884
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 4: were like.

885
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: Climbing up the face of a mountain and his brother

886
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 5: fell off and was like it was a near fatal thing,

887
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: and him and his friends had like drag his brother

888
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 5: up the size fake cliff of a mountain until they

889
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 5: could get to like search and rescue, no mobile service.

890
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 5: He's got stories for you, man.

891
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: M Pedro Munos is back on this card against Chris

892
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: Gutieris Chris kutieris fresh off of beating Frankie Edgar. I

893
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: don't know what it did to boost his profile, to

894
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: be perfectly honest with you, but this is a very

895
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: tough contest at one hundred and thirty five pound Pedro munyios.

896
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: Let me see how old Pedro is. Pedro currently sits

897
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: at thirty six, so also very young. Yeah, he's also

898
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: coming off of he's got three losses in his last

899
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: four fights. The one is against Jimmy Rivera in twenty

900
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: twenty one. Is this the time for Chris Gutierrez to

901
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: beat another Obviously Frankie was a legend, but let's just

902
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: say a mainstay of this division.

903
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, whatever confidence I'm sort of I lack,

904
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: or the skepticism I have towards Billy beating Edsen Barboza.

905
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: I have almost no doubt in my mind that this

906
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: is Chris gutieed is his time to shine, right. I

907
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 5: think it's a really bad matchup for Munio's. He's the

908
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 5: shorter guy, he's got the smaller reach. He couldn't get

909
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: it done against Frank Edgar, Jose Aldo or Dominic Cruz.

910
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced that he can withstand gutied as his power. Now,

911
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 5: Muno's has never been stopped, so you got to give

912
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: him credit there. But like you said, we're going up

913
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 5: in age. That chin is bound to deteriorate at some point.

914
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 5: And Gutierrez, I mean, not only does he hit hard,

915
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 5: he hits some crazy angles. That knee knockout of Frank

916
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 5: Edgar was just it was it was uncomfortable watch. Let's

917
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 5: be honest. It's like the worst way you could send

918
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: a guy into retirement. Pedro does have a very big,

919
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: very advanced submission game, I think compared to gutierd is,

920
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 5: but his takedown defense is like twenty percent point five

921
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 5: to five for fifteen minutes. I don't think the wrestling

922
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 5: is up to snuff to get Gutiaeda is down, and man,

923
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 5: I think Chris is The bandamweight division is so ridiculously stacked.

924
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 5: There's no shortage of contenders the top of the division.

925
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: We thought Adrian Janiez was going to be the next

926
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 5: one to get elevated there. I don't think Chris gutierda

927
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 5: Is is too far behind. Oh see where does he sit?

928
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 5: He says at thirteen right now? Dude, that's the thirteenth

929
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 5: rank guy for comparison, that's the dude. Thirteen at light.

930
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: Heavyweight is Dustin Jacoby, thirteen at middleweight is Brendan Allen.

931
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: These are fine, These are good fighters. Thirteen at walterweight

932
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: is jorgem Mas.

933
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, Dude, thirteen is this

934
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: kid sitting there who is really good?

935
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: That division is just fucking absurd well trained out of

936
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: Mark Montoya's factory X dynamic kicking game. The one thing,

937
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: the one little X factor for me, not that this

938
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: is a huge liability for Chris per Se, but Pedro

939
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: has sneaky guillotines, sneaky guillotines. I wonder if he could

940
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: pull him into that, but I think I agree in

941
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: general if he doesn't get some kind of not hail Mary,

942
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: but maybe low percentage like opportunity, which you know does

943
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: don't work very well anyway by definition without one of those,

944
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: like oh, I can maybe get a guillotine without that.

945
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: I just feel like Chris's firepower and setups are just

946
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: way too dynamic for him at this stage of his career.

947
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: But we shall see anything else. A Lando Vanada is

948
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: back on this card as an underdog. Gillian Robertson is

949
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: on his card. Anything else stand out to you?

950
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: Oh? How about this? Dude? Hold on? How am I

951
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: missing this? Hold on? I gotta say this, thank you?

952
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: Hold on?

953
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Hold on?

954
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: Two things I want to point out. Brandon Royvel's on

955
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: this card against Patios Nicolau. Amazing. We'll talk about that

956
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: just a second, but I have to point this out.

957
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 3: Clay Guida is on this card against Ratha Garcia. Clay

958
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: Guida has twenty two losses. Obviously, he's a legend in

959
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: the game. Please almost understand me. But he's forty one.

960
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: He has a record of thirty eight and twenty two. Also,

961
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: on this card. If I may ed fucking Herman saw

962
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: on this card, dude ed Herman was on what season

963
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: two or No. Maybe three of the Ultimate Fighters something

964
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: like that, some absurd thing. Forty two years of age. Guys,

965
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm forty three. I'm forty three. He's forty two and

966
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: by the way, has a win and last one was

967
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. He didn't fight in twenty to twenty. We

968
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: lost one time to a Lonzo Minifield, which I thought

969
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: he was gonna get dusted, and hasn't fought since then.

970
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: He's taken on.

971
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: Zach Cummings, walk me through some of these bouts in

972
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: your oppression and what stands out.

973
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: I'm honestly fine with it. Look, if guys want to

974
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 5: compete and this is how they want to make their

975
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 5: living and what this is, this is what they're passionate about,

976
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 5: far be it from me to tell them otherwise. What

977
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 5: I think is most important, and it's a point I

978
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 5: bought up repeatedly throughout the show, is what is your

979
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 5: primary motivating factor for risking your physical health inside of

980
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: a cage fist fighting another person?

981
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: And can it be accomplished?

982
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 5: Clay Gueda for the most part is fighting relative opposition.

983
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: I think for ed hearn Hermann, Zach Cummings relative opposition.

984
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 5: What really really frustrates me is when the UFC pairs

985
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 5: one of their aging veterans against a guy who's sort

986
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 5: of an unknown prospect who smokes them but doesn't really

987
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: gain the name value because there's no prior momentum behind him.

988
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 5: Right like when Israel A Disagnya beat Anderson Silva, there

989
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: was so much that made sense in terms of a

990
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 5: passing of a torch moment. You have this guy coming

991
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 5: up in Izzy who people see as a future world champion.

992
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 5: There are so many parallels you can draw to the Spider.

993
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 5: That fight makes sense because Israel Adasania had momentum under

994
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: his wings and this was a chance to elevate him

995
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: in a big spot for But we see so many

996
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 5: times like I can't remember who it was that Matt

997
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 5: Brown fought, where the UFC will just feed one of

998
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 5: their aging stars to a guy that nobody knows about

999
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: and you end up just feeling more sad for the

1000
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: veteran then you do excited for the prospect to beat him,

1001
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 5: and that prospect inevitably loses to someone more challenging who

1002
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: also doesn't have a ton of name value.

1003
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 4: And it's a moot point.

1004
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 5: If you're an aging fighter in the UFC, what I

1005
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 5: would love to see is for you to fight a

1006
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 5: relative opposition or fight someone who you can who will

1007
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 5: ultimately benefit from getting that rub. We see it happen

1008
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 5: so rarely in the UFC. But if Clay is up

1009
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 5: for the challenge and the Herman is up for the challenge,

1010
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 5: so be it.

1011
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: Uh okay, So let's talk about that Brandon Reuville fight.

1012
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: He takes on mitayos Nicolau. So Reuvill enters this contest.

1013
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 3: Let's see, he is thirty years of age, he has

1014
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: a record of fourteen and six. He's coming in off

1015
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: two wins over Jjerio Bonzarine that's a split decision. Then

1016
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: he finished off Matt Schanell in round one with a guillotine.

1017
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: That was in twenty twenty two. He has not fought

1018
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: since then. Mateos Nicolau is an absolute hammer night in

1019
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: two record. He's thirty years of age and he has

1020
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: let's see one, two, three, four, five, six wins in

1021
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: a row over Schnell, to Vorak, Elliott cop and on

1022
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: and on from there. I am looking to see for

1023
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: Brandon Royville, who obviously has a bit of the fans

1024
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: interest and imagination captured, who has one of the more

1025
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: fan friendly styles, particularly as a grappler, but he almost

1026
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: does it to a fault at times. Like he's obviously

1027
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: got great submissions and can chain them together, but sometimes

1028
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: he tries to force that. For me, against a smooth

1029
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: operator like Mateo's Nicolau, I think Reuville can beat him,

1030
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: but he's going to have to make more I think,

1031
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: you know, mature adjustments in terms of how he apportions

1032
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: his game, setting things up and getting to the next stage.

1033
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: Just trying to run into these guys. You'll get wins

1034
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: doing that. You will get wins doing that, but you

1035
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: won't get all the wins you could with a more,

1036
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 3: i think even tempered style.

1037
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1038
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 5: I talked to Brandon Royville. The video should be coming

1039
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: out later today. I mean, maybe you know he's just

1040
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 5: misdirecting people. But if your hope is to see a

1041
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 5: more sort of mindful, measured approach to that dynamic fight style,

1042
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: I don't think we're gonna get it.

1043
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 4: His quote was that he has mastered chaos.

1044
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 5: Is it really chaos if you can master it right,

1045
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 5: he actually takes umbrage off and with fighters who use

1046
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 5: a point fighting style, he's like, why are you in here?

1047
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 4: We're trying to fight.

1048
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 5: So I do think there's a level of maturity that

1049
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: still needs to happen if he really wants to realize

1050
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: his aspirations to win a world championship. And it's funny

1051
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 5: because we have Brandon Moreno in the as.

1052
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: A champion right now, and.

1053
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: There was a point where Moreno and Rouval fought and

1054
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 5: then their careers just branched off in totally different directions.

1055
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 5: Right Roevvil suffered a shoulder injury, ended up getting TKO'ed

1056
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 5: with one second left in round one. Next thing you know,

1057
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 5: Moreno is fighting Davison Figedo and that takes us off

1058
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: for years and years and years as they do their quadrilogy.

1059
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 5: So there's an interesting sort of comeback story here for Royville,

1060
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 5: who's other loss, the one he really wants to get

1061
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 5: back is against Pantosia, and we're going to talk about

1062
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: that a little bit later. Royville needs to chill. I'm

1063
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: excited to see what happens. And it's funny you mentioned

1064
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 5: that he sort of has the fans imagination because the

1065
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 5: UFC hasn't rewarded this. This isn't on the main card,

1066
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 5: this isn't even the pre Lims headliner. And Rouville really

1067
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 5: took umbrage with that. He's like, I have Fight of

1068
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: the night in fifty percent of my UFC fights. I

1069
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 5: go out there, I'm a soldier. I do my best

1070
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: to put on a show for the fans. You have,

1071
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: you know, Mattias Nicolau for fight win streak and the

1072
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: UFC six in total. The winner of this may very

1073
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 5: well be next in line after Moreno and Pantojia sort

1074
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 5: of seal the deal. Why aren't we putting a little

1075
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 5: bit more respect on this fight? I feel like there's

1076
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: definitely fights you could have taken off the main card,

1077
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: and this I think definitely deserves to be the prelims headliner.

1078
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 5: Over Bill Algie versus TJ.

1079
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: Brown. Yeah, I'm gonna guess the fly Wait disrespect.

1080
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 5: You know, I thought we were over it, guys, we

1081
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: just had a quadrilogy.

1082
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: Doesn't sound like we are, doesn't. It doesn't look that

1083
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 3: way anyway. It could just be for all other reasons

1084
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: we don't really understand. But I agree it's a curious placement,

1085
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: just the same. All right, moving on to topic number two,

1086
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: I want to start with something here. We're talking about

1087
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: PFL three before we get into this conversation, because it's

1088
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: going to be headlined by a very good fight between

1089
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: Olivier all Bin, Marcia You or Canadian Brethren taking on

1090
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: Shane Burgos. That's a minus one ten in either direction,

1091
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: a true pick them. That's a fun fight. But before

1092
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: we get to that, I have to say something has

1093
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: PFL lost momentum because it feels like they have now.

1094
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: I know they had that signing with Jake Paul, but

1095
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 3: he is busy doing whatever the fuck he's doing, which

1096
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: is not fighting for them. In MMA, he had the

1097
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: fight with obviously Tommy Fury, and you know it didn't

1098
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: go as work, but that's not PFL related. But you

1099
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: know he's busy anyway, and we may not get him

1100
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: at all this year. Kayla looks like she might be

1101
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 3: done with him. She might have a couple more things

1102
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: she has to do contractually, but it doesn't appear her

1103
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: future is with this company. They it's signed Shane Bergos,

1104
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: They've got some other interesting names, but I don't really

1105
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: see a lot of fan enthusiasm for this season. I

1106
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: don't really see them building a lot of momentum. I

1107
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: don't know if anyone watched that Challenger series. And I'm

1108
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: not saying this to bag on them, dude, mma is

1109
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: better when the other promotions outside of the UFC are

1110
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: all hitting, When Belletre's hitting, when PFL is hitting, when

1111
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: one is out there killing it. We want that, But

1112
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: I'd be lying if I said I saw that from

1113
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: PFL right now. Give me your state of the of

1114
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: the promotion for PFL right now in twenty twenty three.

1115
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 5: You know, I think this is sort of hard for

1116
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 5: fans and for media to part sometimes because you kind

1117
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 5: of have to put on your hardcore hat and then

1118
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 5: sometimes you got to take that off and look at

1119
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 5: it from the perspective of a fan who has, you know,

1120
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 5: a bit more of a just overall general understanding of

1121
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: the sport, but maybe not quite as in tune with

1122
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 5: the fine details of it. Because as you were saying

1123
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 5: that statement, I was going in saying, you know what

1124
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 5: I'm actually particularly excited I feel like is assembling a

1125
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: very interesting roster of free agents from the UFC who

1126
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 5: aren't over the hill like Shane Burgos. I think that's

1127
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 5: a massive signing for him. You're seeing comeback stories from

1128
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 5: UFC vets like Olive Oba Mercia and Clay Collard. You're

1129
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 5: building some new guys like how Schmann Fio, who you know,

1130
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 5: beat Anthony Pettis and won last year's season. And then

1131
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: you've got one of the guys in the Komman Yamato

1132
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 5: in Nishikawa, amazing fighter from Shooto. I think in totality

1133
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 5: they actually have a really interesting blend of fighters on

1134
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 5: their roster right now, but you wouldn't know that if

1135
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 5: you weren't really in the nitty gritty of things. They

1136
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 5: need some sort of pull right now that's gonna draw

1137
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: interest from people beyond those who watch everything with a

1138
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 5: fine tooth comb. Losing Kyla if that's the case, huge

1139
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 5: hit for him. Who knows what Jake Paul's boxing loss

1140
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 5: is gonna sort of do to his MMA aspirations because

1141
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 5: you know he's lost a lot of steam off that.

1142
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 5: I agree with you, there's not one major pull and

1143
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 5: they need someone because I think if they have that,

1144
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 5: it'll complete the package. Because I think there's a lot

1145
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 5: of interesting things just kind of bubbling beneath the surface

1146
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 5: of PFL right now.

1147
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: Man, if there was the UFC on one side, and

1148
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 3: then let's just call it the Megatron on the other side,

1149
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: and Megatron was PFL bellatorn one, it'd be a lot

1150
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: of fun you could do.

1151
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: You could really do something with a roster like that.

1152
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think you know, this is a case where,

1153
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 5: at least for me, I find pfl's free agency acquisitions

1154
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 5: a bit more interesting than Bellator, but Bellator has a

1155
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: lot more name value on the top end. If you

1156
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 5: could just combine those two and then throw in some

1157
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 5: of the things One Championship was doing, I mean, especially

1158
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 5: if he wins the trilogy, you still have arguably the

1159
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 5: best fighter on the planet over at one Championship with

1160
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 5: Demetrius Johnson. If those three could start doing some work together,

1161
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 5: I mean, there's no shortage of fights, and I would

1162
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: I would put that up against most UFC pay per

1163
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 5: views at this stage.

1164
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: Dude, can you imagine Demitrius Johnson at one thirty five

1165
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: versus Patriusio pimple insane.

1166
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: That'd be a lot of fun, to be a lot

1167
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: of fun.

1168
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: But going back to this PFL thing, it's just the

1169
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: reason why I expressed skepticism in the way that I do.

1170
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: Is certainly the casual fan I don't think has nearly

1171
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: enough awareness about them.

1172
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 4: That's one problem.

1173
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: But the other problem is, like, can you really make

1174
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: money and stay in business just doing nights like this.

1175
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: I don't think you can.

1176
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: I think in order to make money, to really stay

1177
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: in this business, you probably have to be in pay

1178
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 3: per view or their ratings have to go vastly through

1179
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: the roof, which means they can sell more ad inventory

1180
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: at a higher price and then justify the cost. Like

1181
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: right now they're just living off Fincher capital funding and

1182
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: whatever else. They're not really making money. And I'm not

1183
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: sure Belatory is or one is. I don't really know,

1184
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: but I for sure PFL is not. So it's more

1185
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: or less long term it's going to be pay per

1186
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: view or bust, and they have to buttress everything else

1187
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: with these nights like this. It's not one or the other,

1188
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: but in the end it has to lead to that,

1189
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 3: and I just don't see any meaningful traction. We'll see

1190
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: what happens with France, but then if they signed Francis,

1191
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: who the hell is he gonna fight? So it's some

1192
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 3: problems but okay, here we are PFL three for the

1193
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three regular season. This will be at the

1194
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: theater at the Virgin Hotels. By the way, have you

1195
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: been to Vegas?

1196
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 4: Just got back?

1197
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 5: It was my bachelor party on Friday?

1198
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 3: Oh where did you? Where did you stay? You fucking degenerate?

1199
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: You probably have all kinds of chlamydia right now crawling over.

1200
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: Your gross uh dundas some of the people on that

1201
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 5: trip probably do.

1202
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, we're just a Caesars. How was Caesars?

1203
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: I haven't stayed in.

1204
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 5: Caesars, bro We got a noise complaint at ten pm

1205
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 5: on a Saturday night. Why are you in Las Vegas

1206
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 5: if you can't handle a little bit of sound like

1207
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 5: pre midnight.

1208
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: On a weekend?

1209
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1210
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: Well what were you guys? You know?

1211
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: I one time made a noise complaint at three in

1212
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: the afternoon in Vegas. But it's because the people next

1213
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: door brought a ping pong table into their room and

1214
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, no.

1215
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: Fuck that That's why. That's why.

1216
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: When now when I go, I don't stay. I don't

1217
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: stay at any hotel that has a casino. I don't

1218
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: without a casino in Vegas. Oh, yeah, Vedhara has no casino.

1219
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: MGM Signature has no casino. Yeah, there's a couple of them,

1220
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: m M shocking. Yeah, all right, But here's the point

1221
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: I want to make. It's at the Virgin One across

1222
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: the street from Virgin Hotels. Is an amazing place to

1223
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: buy marijuana, and Vegas just shouts to Midman, no sponsor,

1224
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 3: They don't sponsor me.

1225
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 4: But it's a.

1226
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 5: White castle that's never opened. It has like a point

1227
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 5: five star review.

1228
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: Dude, there's a seven eleven across the street from that

1229
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 3: Virgin Hotels. I swear to god, you go in there,

1230
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: you're gonna get knife. You're just gonna get knife. It's

1231
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 3: the worst place on earth, all right. But this PFL

1232
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: card there is gonna be a little bit of fun.

1233
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: Olivia Albin Marcier taking on Shane Burgos. What a fun fight.

1234
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 3: So Olivia Olivia Albin Marcier. You know, he did okay

1235
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: in UFC, kind of washed out in the end, but

1236
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: wasn't a bad fighter by any stretch.

1237
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 4: He was a good one.

1238
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: Goes over to PFL, wins the championship last season and

1239
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: now has to basically defend it against Shane Burgos, who

1240
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: was supposed to fight Morla mariaj and it fell apart.

1241
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: But here he is.

1242
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: Finally they have the osmakers have this one as even

1243
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: we know the strengths. Alvin Mars can strike, but he's

1244
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 3: also a good wrestler. Shane Burgos is all about these

1245
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: boy it's this or it's this or bust fast too.

1246
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 4: He's so fast. So give me a sense of what

1247
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: this fight is going to look like.

1248
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, to your point, I think it's very much gonna

1249
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 5: look striker versus grappler. Shane Burgos really has one speed.

1250
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: It's all go, but there's a lot of movement involved

1251
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 5: and as a consequence, we don't see a lot of

1252
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 5: knockouts at the top level. It's actually one of the

1253
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 5: reasons I'm really excited he made this transition. I don't

1254
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: know what his primary incentive was. I'm sure the finance

1255
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 5: has played a big role. This was a great move

1256
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 5: for Shane Burgos, particularly because he left the UFC with

1257
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 5: consecutive wins over Billy Q and also fun fact right

1258
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 5: has the lost Edson Barbosa recently the win over Billy Q.

1259
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 5: All three guys fighting this week. I'm really excited to

1260
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 5: see what Shane does because I think this is a

1261
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 5: case where this isn't a this isn't a uh uh,

1262
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 5: what's what I'm looking This isn't a demotion for him.

1263
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 5: I think he's made a lateral movement. He's coming off

1264
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 5: two wins. I think his skills and power as a

1265
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 5: striker is going to carry over in ways that it

1266
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 5: maybe it didn't against the top fifteen of the UFC,

1267
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 5: and I think in a couple of years we could

1268
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 5: see him back within the UFC with a high profile

1269
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 5: and a better paycheck. Ohim looking tremendous. Six straight wins.

1270
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 5: It's going to be a tough fight. But if Shane

1271
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 5: Burgos is as good as he seemed to be in

1272
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 5: the UFC, you know, kind of struggling in the top ten,

1273
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 5: but a nightmare before that point, I think he could

1274
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: do really well for himself the next couple of years,

1275
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 5: and he might be one of those guys that PFL

1276
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 5: really starts.

1277
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 4: To lean on.

1278
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: I think it's a great signing for them. I really

1279
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 3: like Shane Burgos a lot. He's a good dude, he's

1280
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: a great fighter. The fans like him. He's exciting, he's talented.

1281
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: I think he also brings a real spark of life

1282
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: to this division as well, right now that the division's

1283
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 3: kind of like sad or whatever.

1284
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

1285
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: Shane Bergos is electric. How many guys can you say

1286
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: on the PFL roster are electric?

1287
00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 4: All?

1288
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: Ben Marcier is good and he's very he's the champion,

1289
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: but he's not electric in the same way that Burgos is.

1290
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Speaker 3: He might be better, but I just mean Burgos is

1291
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: good for fun. You just such a reliable guy for

1292
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: delivering both on high level MMA usually wins, but also

1293
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: just great exciting action. That's one of the better signings

1294
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: and more interesting signings I think that they've had in

1295
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 3: some time.

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Speaker 5: Can I tell you how much of a madman Shane

1297
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 5: Burgos is, please? So he's a bit of a foodie, right,

1298
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 5: So during training camp he's always watching the Food Channel.

1299
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 5: On fight week, he takes his team to the restaurants

1300
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 5: that he's been wanting to try. He orders and watches

1301
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 5: them eat and describe it to him.

1302
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 4: What the why would you do that? Why would you

1303
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: do that? Dude?

1304
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 5: That's a that's a metal forging steal man. That's in

1305
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 5: fortitude right there.

1306
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's just torture. That's just tortures. Well,

1307
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even know what the point of that would

1308
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: be except to just hurt yourself.

1309
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: My god.

1310
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 4: H well, you know what, he's a different breed.

1311
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: The rest of his car's got some interesting name, but

1312
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 3: it's very pfl e Yes.

1313
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 4: So sadebu C is a good fighter.

1314
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

1315
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: He has really approven himself, a guy out of Sweden

1316
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: and now I think he's at extreme Coutur taken on

1317
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: Jara l. Silawi. He's expected to win, but more striker

1318
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: than anything else. He's pretty exciting. Natan Schult taken on

1319
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 3: Stevie Ray fun contest. Stevie Ray, by the way, really

1320
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 3: kind of just sort of making a name for himself

1321
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: of this organization with with the wins over Pettus and

1322
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: the way that he had them. So that's pretty impressive.

1323
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: But Schult is a he's a he's a tough fucking

1324
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: guy to handle. Houschmann Fio is back against Alexander Martinez.

1325
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: Clay Collard his back. How about old Clay Collard right

1326
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 3: taking on Yama Yamato Nishikawa and then Mega Man Mega

1327
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: Man Karamov is on this card as well, by the.

1328
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: Way, at a minus nine hundred favorite.

1329
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: He is one of the very best guys on that roster,

1330
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: and he's probably gonna give Old ben Egley or every

1331
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: pronounce his name the fucking business anything stand up to

1332
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: you about this card.

1333
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 5: I actually really liked the Nishikawa fight I was kind

1334
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 5: of doing. He was supposed to debut at UFC two eighty,

1335
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: that's the Charles Oliver versus nakot Chev fight. There was

1336
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 5: some sort of contract dispute I think regarding his stance

1337
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 5: with Shooto. It didn't work out. But ten fight winning

1338
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 5: streak between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. This guy

1339
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 5: is supremely active thirty fights despite just debuting in twenty sixteen,

1340
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 5: eighty percent of his wins by stoppage. It's always interesting

1341
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 5: saying how a guy with that sort of output makes

1342
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 5: the transition to a bigger organization. I'm actually happy to

1343
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 5: see him in PFL versus UFC because I think it's

1344
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 5: a little bit more of a sort of a modest

1345
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 5: step up in competition and one where we can see

1346
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 5: if that sort of exciting style pays off. Clay Collard,

1347
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 5: we know, is a gamer, great boxing. Those wins over

1348
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 5: Anthony Pettis and Jeremy Stevens, I think really established him

1349
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 5: as a pfller.

1350
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: So man, I think that could be your fight of

1351
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 3: the night. I'm looking at his record on PFL. He

1352
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: has a loss to Nuki Narita. This happened in twenty

1353
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: eighteen and it says loss via bleeding three twenty five

1354
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: rown two. I haven't seen that contest, but now I

1355
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 3: have to.

1356
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 4: That should be a lot of fun.

1357
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 3: Let's get to some fight news and announcements if we can.

1358
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: This will be in your neck of the woods, so

1359
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 3: let's talk about it. I will tell you something. I

1360
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: don't love this fight. I don't love this fight. I

1361
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 3: don't I'm not gonna sit here and defend this fight.

1362
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: Amanda Nunez taken on Juliana Pana three, UFC two eighty nine,

1363
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: June tenth, Vancouver, all.

1364
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 4: Right, I don't hate this fight.

1365
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: They could have done Nunez versus Home based on her

1366
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: last performance and I wouldn't have hated it, and maybe

1367
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: the fans would have liked that more, but I doubt that.

1368
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is the most exciting fight in

1369
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: the world. But I don't get what's if it's your

1370
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: headliner and you're you're waiting for UFC to go back

1371
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: to Canada, and this is what they bring. I get

1372
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: the disappointment, but objectively, as a fight, I don't get

1373
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: what's so awful about it. In the following sense, Pana

1374
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,959
Speaker 3: has one win, Nunas has another. I think most people

1375
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: think that the Nuna's second win was more indicative of

1376
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: their two levels of ability, but she had to change

1377
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: her stance just to deal with the jazz ab of PAINA. Uh,

1378
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna get action. You're probably gonna get people getting

1379
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 3: dropped in this one or choked out like, there's gonna

1380
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: be violence through the whole weight on this one. Just

1381
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 3: by virtue of how they match up. There are definitely

1382
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 3: worst fights they could have brought. Tell me what is

1383
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 3: so awful about this fight?

1384
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 5: Before I do, I want to point how awful your

1385
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 5: memory is. Because Mikey just reminded me we were in

1386
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 5: Vegas together last year.

1387
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: Dude, Yes we were, of course, yes we were. How

1388
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 4: can I fucking for jesus dude, Wow, we spent no

1389
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 4: hold now that when we're in Vegas together, we spent

1390
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: days together. Oh yeah, I was there.

1391
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 5: I was there for the notorious uh brew House episode.

1392
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 4: Of morning. Oh right, we had dinner together. We did,

1393
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 4: although at that point I was I had a lot

1394
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 4: going on in my mind. You can well imagine. I

1395
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, did my career just go up in flames?

1396
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 5: But okay, what I told you, I told you you

1397
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 5: guys were also down. I told you people are gonna

1398
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 5: love that episode.

1399
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 4: In a weird way. They did, but they also hated

1400
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 4: it too, you know what I mean? All right?

1401
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 5: Sorry, Nun's Penia three. Yeah, I mean, as a if

1402
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 5: you're a Canadian UFC fan, you've come to expect that.

1403
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 5: Like we talked about how much the UFC charges for

1404
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 5: tickets because they can, We've come to expect that because

1405
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 5: we're so deprived of UFC up here that when they come,

1406
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 5: they're not going to bring their very best. I mean,

1407
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 5: we're we're a long ways away removed from GSP versus

1408
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 5: Jake Shields in Toronto. I do agree, though, that the

1409
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 5: fight makes sense relatively. I think I would have liked

1410
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 5: to see the Arena Aldana fight, particularly because Mexico is

1411
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 5: on just such a crazy wave of momentum. It doesn't

1412
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 5: look like we're getting that moreno fight in Mexico soon, though.

1413
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 5: If we did, maybe circumstances would have been a little

1414
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 5: bit different. The Newn's Penia fight is fine. I think

1415
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 5: where people may be taking issue with it is that

1416
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 5: kind of like with Izzy and Patata. In a way,

1417
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 5: it's like when a champion reclaims their title in the

1418
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 5: immediate rematch and they do so as dominantly as nun

1419
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 5: As did over Penya, what reason do we have to

1420
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 5: believe that the third fight is going to be as competitive.

1421
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 5: It seems like when a champion can make the adjustments

1422
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 5: immediately after losing a fight against an underdog, I think

1423
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 5: we kind of have a sense that the champion is

1424
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 5: the better fighter and that they slipped up. It was

1425
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 5: either a poor night of the office or they ran

1426
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 5: into the wrong game plan. But that ability to adjust

1427
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 5: sort of cements them as Noon has earned a right

1428
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 5: to an immediate rematch, you know, I don't know that

1429
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 5: Julia Penna has earned a right to an immediate rematch,

1430
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: but there's not a lot.

1431
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 4: Of matchups you can make.

1432
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 5: I would I have a lot of faith in Aldanna.

1433
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be mad to see her get one more

1434
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 5: fight before the Noon has one, just to really tighten everything.

1435
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 5: I think the biggest sort of faux pa of all

1436
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 5: this is it's just not an exciting main event for

1437
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 5: a pay per view, especially if you don't have.

1438
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 4: Something big underneath it.

1439
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 5: If you can buoy that with something really strong, like

1440
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 5: a Gilbert Burns versus Jode masvidoal fight, that's at least

1441
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 5: gonna drum up casual interest. It's great, but the closest

1442
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 5: thing we have right now is Wonder Boy versus Michelle Peira.

1443
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 5: So there's just not enough meat to it. Like newn

1444
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 5: Azvesuspania three needs some support and it doesn't have it yet,

1445
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 5: and I think that's a portion of why people are

1446
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 5: so disappointed with it.

1447
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: So there's sort of two questions here. One would be

1448
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: who else would you book against Amanda? You could say Aldonovo.

1449
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 3: Would that really change people's opinions about that as a headliner?

1450
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 4: Some?

1451
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: I think some, but probably not greatly. Or they could

1452
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 3: have just had another champion headline, But which one would

1453
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 3: it be?

1454
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 4: Like?

1455
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 3: So for all the fans complaining, what would be the

1456
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: alternative based on who's available?

1457
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,959
Speaker 4: Who could fit into the calendar? I don't know. Let's

1458
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 4: see who is available.

1459
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess they could have brought Mario up here,

1460
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 5: but that's not happening. They could have Sterling's I mean,

1461
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 5: I think I think Canadian fans would love.

1462
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: That Sterling, Sterling and Suhudo.

1463
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 5: That's already booked though, so you can't do that. Volkanovski.

1464
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 5: I think I think a lot of things being booked

1465
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 5: for International Fight Week one month later probably strip this card.

1466
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: It hurts, right, that's exactly right, right, that's exactly.

1467
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: What ifw I don't know what's happening with Jones versus

1468
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 5: Meo chich It doesn't seem like right now there's that

1469
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 5: one really big fight that you would usually top off

1470
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 5: International Fight League left. So I think they've had to

1471
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 5: draw from a lot of slightly smaller championship fights that

1472
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 5: they could make to sort of try and boost things,

1473
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 5: And I think it's gonna strip everything.

1474
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 4: Around the summer as a consequence.

1475
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 3: All Right, you mentioned it, Steven wonder Boy Thompson taking

1476
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 3: on Michelle Padaya also UFC two eighty nine, June tenth. Again,

1477
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 3: fine fight, nothing wrong with the fight, fine fight, but

1478
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 3: that card's gonna need some help. I agree that, like

1479
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: if what you have is a man, it is Virgulian

1480
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: Oapaion it's not a whole lot to get excited about.

1481
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: But then when you add in the rest of those,

1482
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: which these are the it's you know what it is.

1483
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's a fight night with a

1484
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: title fight at the top.

1485
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 5: It's really would we stopped doing that they used to

1486
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 5: do for fight nights and it was great? You could,

1487
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 5: that's so much more. I'm so okay to accept that

1488
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 5: as a fight night headliner.

1489
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: Right because they're gonna charge probably a ship ton of

1490
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 3: the gate, Whereas if it was a fight night, it

1491
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: probably be in a different venue. Maybe it wouldn't be

1492
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: in Vancouver necessarily, but it might be more accessible. I'm

1493
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: guessing it's just the best way to get Amanda paid

1494
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: because when they did it for let's say, Demetrius Johnson,

1495
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 3: he wasn't getting pay per viewpoints, so it just didn't matter.

1496
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 3: Her contract might in fact call for it, but it's

1497
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: hard to say anyway.

1498
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,440
Speaker 5: Sorry, fun fact, Michelle Pereira. Last time he fought in Vancouver.

1499
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 5: The last time UFC came to Vancouver to Canada was

1500
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 5: Vancouver twenty nineteen. Gay Chie SERRONI. That's the one where

1501
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 5: he botched his way terribly gassed himself dancing to the

1502
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 5: octagon and then lost to local fighter Tristan Connolly, who

1503
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 5: was not even with the UFC anymore. So this is

1504
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 5: a bit of a chance for Michelle to right or

1505
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 5: wrong there, because I think Tristan got like both of

1506
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 5: their fight night checks that night and.

1507
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 3: Then go to the strip clubs that you have visited

1508
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: so many times. How about this UFC two ninety International

1509
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: Fight Week, and this fight is not on this card

1510
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: by accident or happenstance. Bow Nickel taken on Treyshawn Gold

1511
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 3: or again July eighth at the T Mobile Arena, and

1512
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: I think it's a team mobile in Las Vegas, Nevada.

1513
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: Bon Nickel, Treyshawn Gore. I like that they're not giving

1514
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: bon Nickel top rated.

1515
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 4: Guys just yet.

1516
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 3: I think a semi not a slow roll a shack,

1517
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 3: but a semi slow roll is the right call here.

1518
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 4: This is a good next opponent for him.

1519
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talk so much about how poor of a

1520
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 5: job UFC does with managing their prospects, whether they're young

1521
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 5: prospects or new prospects. I mean, we're just coming off

1522
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 5: of the role Rosas Junior fight, where you know, all

1523
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 5: that steam all that fan engagement and it just went

1524
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 5: plummeting down a hill because they gave him the wrong

1525
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 5: guy at the wrong time. Bonnickel told me he expects

1526
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 5: to be like in a position to fight for a

1527
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 5: title by the end of this year. I don't want

1528
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 5: to see that. Just give the guy time, let him

1529
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 5: work the kings out. You have such an important prospect

1530
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 5: on your hands here. There's a long term investment to

1531
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 5: be made in Bickel. This is a perfect matchup for him,

1532
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 5: all things considered, Let's just take our time.

1533
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 4: People, Uh, completely agreed.

1534
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 3: I expect Bonnicol to look good, but it's it's a

1535
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 3: piece by piece on this one. How about this one?

1536
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 3: UFC Fight Night two twenty four. This will be May twentieth,

1537
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 3: so just around the corner, really, Michael Johnson, who just

1538
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: signed like an eight billion fight deal in terms of

1539
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: the number of fights on it, taken on Carlos Diego Fajeda.

1540
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: I love this contest. Do you love it as much

1541
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: as I do? Because here's the thing. Michael Johnson has

1542
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 3: kind of had a bit of a late rebound ish

1543
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 3: more recently, and Diego Fajeda has kind of fallen off

1544
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 3: after having a previous late rebound, but it's still good

1545
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 3: enough to make this a fun competitive contest.

1546
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. When I first saw the fight, I was

1547
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 5: really concerned for Michael Johnson because I have this memory

1548
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 5: of Carlos DIEOFEA being such a killer at this stage,

1549
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 5: and then I had to actually go and look at

1550
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 5: the rise of them. I'm like, no, we're we're on

1551
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 5: a three fight losing streak. We've kind of fallen off

1552
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 5: of that. I'm happy with the matchup.

1553
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1554
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 5: Michael Johnson is just one of those guys like I

1555
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 5: have such a hard time. He's so much fun to

1556
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 5: watch when he's on and you want to see the

1557
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 5: guy succeed, But it's so hard to get invested in

1558
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 5: the rise because there's just been so many falls. Like

1559
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 5: you see the guy that lost four consecutive fights to

1560
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 5: Clay ged Thiago Moys with Stevie Ray and Josh Emmed,

1561
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 5: and then you tell me that same guy beat Dustin Porier,

1562
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 5: beat Edson Barbosa, beat Tony Ferguson. Like, it's just been

1563
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 5: such an unusual up and down that I have a

1564
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,879
Speaker 5: hard time getting invested too much in the comeback story.

1565
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 5: But I would really love to see if you see

1566
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 5: it happen, I.

1567
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 4: Agree with you.

1568
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 3: And by the way, some of those wins, like the

1569
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 3: win of a poorier, he stopped him. I think Barbosa

1570
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,879
Speaker 3: stopped him as well. I'm not mistaken.

1571
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 4: Can Justin Gage run for his money too, had him

1572
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 4: hurt bad.

1573
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 3: So he's when he's on, well, he's on. It just

1574
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: seems to be somewhat dependent on the night. And then

1575
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 3: the opponent, fellow Canadian Hakeem Duadu taking on Lucas Almeta,

1576
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 3: same card, UFC two eighty nine, June tenth.

1577
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 4: Not a bad fight at all.

1578
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 3: I don't know where they're gonna put it on the

1579
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 3: card shock, but you can't complex us.

1580
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 4: It's a very very acceptable fight to put on the car.

1581
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we we Canadians are just like grasping

1582
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 5: its straws for our next guy. And a lot of

1583
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 5: people thought Hakim was gonna be that guy. It hasn't

1584
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 5: quite panned out, but I.

1585
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 4: Would like he's still very good.

1586
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 3: He's still very athletic, very he's a very good striker.

1587
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of injuries too.

1588
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 5: I think both a lot of injuries are messed up

1589
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 5: for a long time there that he said that was

1590
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 5: contributing to the lack of knockouts that people were expecting.

1591
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 5: He's like, dude, I was fighting with two busters shoulders,

1592
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 5: so I don't know what it is the shoulders in MMA,

1593
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,440
Speaker 5: but continues.

1594
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 4: To they get mangled, they get mangled, trust me. All right?

1595
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: How about this one? This one I like the most

1596
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: maybe of all the ones. On this one, Amanda Hebas

1597
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 3: taking on Macy Barber. This will be UFC Fight Night

1598
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 3: to twenty seven, June twenty fourth. Uh, here's why I

1599
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 3: love this contest, mace. So, for example, we'll start with

1600
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: Amanda Hebas.

1601
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 4: So she loses to Marina.

1602
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 3: Hadriguez badly back at the rematch between Pourrier and McGregor

1603
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 3: on Fight Island, and I.

1604
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, that was really bad.

1605
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 3: Rebounded against Jenji Roba, lost again to Kitlyn Chukegan although

1606
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 3: it split, but then rebounds against Vivian al Raujo Okay.

1607
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 3: Macy Barber after losing all the way back in two

1608
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 3: times in a row to Mota Ferry and Grosso has

1609
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 3: had four wins split decision, unanimous, unanimous split.

1610
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:32,799
Speaker 4: She's had a few of these.

1611
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 3: Wins man that have been by the skin of her teeth,

1612
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: Heboss looks to be a little bit rejuvenated from the

1613
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 3: previous loss to Hadriguez. Size this one up for me

1614
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 3: between Hebas and Barber.

1615
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,879
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm confirming this one's at flyweight, correct.

1616
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 4: I believe that's right. Let me double check here it

1617
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:51,839
Speaker 4: says flyweight.

1618
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Okay, So both actually ranked number ten, Amanda

1619
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 5: and in the strawweight division. Macy in the flyweight division.

1620
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 5: I agree with your assessment. Like Macy Barber, we put

1621
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 5: a lot of emphasis on her very early and it

1622
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 5: hasn't quite panned out. Sort of similar expectations we put

1623
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 5: on he Boss. I think she's been a little more

1624
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 5: consistent of the two. Man. We see this a lot,

1625
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 5: right with newer divisions, particularly in this case with the

1626
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 5: women's divisions, is like there's these dominant forces for such

1627
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 5: a long time, and then you begin to see all

1628
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 5: the contenders sort of emerge and amalgamate and start giving

1629
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 5: the champs to run for their money. Flywhit's been the

1630
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 5: one that struggled for a long time, and it's really

1631
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 5: nice to see it getting populated.

1632
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1633
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 5: You have Mann, Firo, Taylor Santos, Aaron Blanchefield of course

1634
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 5: Hammer of the Month, I would like to see Macy

1635
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 5: Barber sort of live up to the expectations people had

1636
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 5: of her. But why I like this fight the most

1637
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 5: is there's no bad winner here for the UFC. These

1638
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 5: are two women who do have a bit of a

1639
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 5: fan base behind them. They do both have the potential,

1640
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 5: and naturally you're about to off one of those contenders

1641
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 5: for the time being, but at least you're going to

1642
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 5: have the winner be someone who you can slot into

1643
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 5: a top ten fight next and so in that case,

1644
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 5: it's both compelling from a rankings perspective, skills and there's

1645
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 5: something for the winner to take off of.

1646
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 4: This almost done here.

1647
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: Argin Buller taken on Anatotly Mallikin in the one heavyweight

1648
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 3: title unification. So Mallikin, dude, I'll tell you what. I

1649
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 3: don't know where you're at on mallikan He it might

1650
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: be the most exciting fighter outside of UFC. I mean,

1651
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 3: that's you know, that's very debatable obviously, but he's on

1652
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 3: the short list for me. So he was the interim

1653
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,560
Speaker 3: heavyweight champion. Argient Buller is the full heavyweight champion, but

1654
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 3: I think he was having some contract dispute, so they

1655
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 3: it looks like they got that worked out. But Malikin

1656
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 3: also went down to their light heavyweight to be reneared

1657
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 3: to Ritter and take his title from him, So he's

1658
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 3: technically a two weight champion. He looks to be to

1659
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 3: be the real deal, phenomenal takedown defense, crippling, punching power,

1660
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 3: fast as shit, buller can wrestle. But Mallikin, man, that dude,

1661
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, he is one.

1662
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 4: Of the best eyes outside of the UFC.

1663
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 3: If people haven't paid attention, you need to make time

1664
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: for him on July fourteenth when he tries to take

1665
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 3: the full title of margin bowler.

1666
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 5: Argin my fellow British Columbian who actually lived like a

1667
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 5: few hours a couple hours away from each other. Yeah,

1668
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 5: I think you've spun on with your assessment. Argent obviously

1669
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 5: a fantastic wrestler, bringing that experience with him from his

1670
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 5: life before MMA. The contract disputes would really concern me.

1671
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 5: Like we talked with Arnold Allen about how the time

1672
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 5: off in between fights maybe gave him a chance to

1673
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 5: sort of work on a lot of things on the

1674
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 5: back end, And I'm sure Argin's been pulling in the work,

1675
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 5: putting in the work. I just don't think he's had

1676
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 5: enough MMA experience to be able to take so much

1677
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 5: time off between fights, between contract disputes and whatever's been

1678
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 5: happening to really make the strides he needs to make

1679
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 5: in this fight.

1680
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 4: I worry that.

1681
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 5: He's still two one dimensional and it's gonna cost him

1682
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 5: in this fight. And I don't know what the deal

1683
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 5: is with one championship, but they may just be happy

1684
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 5: to get the title off of him so that they

1685
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 5: can have the heavyweight belt contested more frequently.

1686
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there might be something to that. I don't think

1687
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 3: that's crazy at all, all right, So that oh, one more,

1688
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 3: one more if we can. I saw that you put

1689
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 3: this in the chat breaking news. Let me pull it

1690
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: up here. This comes to us from our friend Mark

1691
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 3: Ramundi at ESPN. Brandon Moreno will defend his UFC flyweight

1692
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 3: title against Alechandre Pantoja at UFC two ninety on July

1693
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 3: eighth in Las Vegas. UFC Chief Business Officer Hunter Campbell

1694
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 3: confirmed with ESPN forst reported by somebody called freak MMA

1695
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 3: one on Instagram. So this is to your point, So

1696
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: that they again were International fight Week, not right around

1697
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: the corner, they could have put that there also, so

1698
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 3: two things it makes me wonder, A what do you

1699
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 3: think about the fight? And B by putting Moreno Versus

1700
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: Pantoja at two ninety, does that mean that they're punting

1701
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 3: on John Jones Versustepe Or are they gonna put three

1702
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 3: title fights? Because now you've already got yeah, here Volkanovski,

1703
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: now you've got moreno Pantoja.

1704
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 4: Would they put a third one?

1705
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 3: Or are we gonna not? We're not gonna see John

1706
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 3: Jones International Fight Week.

1707
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, shout out to Mark Raymani of ESPN. He

1708
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 5: actually tweeted about an hour ago quote, I've seen several

1709
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 5: tweets talking about Jones versus Miochich at UFC two ninety

1710
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 5: in July. That's still the fight all parties won next,

1711
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 5: but it won't happen in July and hasn't really been

1712
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 5: discussed for July in a while. Much more likely now

1713
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 5: for the fall. So I guess we're not getting it.

1714
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 5: Should we be surprised? No is anything ever easy when

1715
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 5: it comes to John Jones.

1716
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 4: No, And honestly, booking Steve A.

1717
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 5: Miochich hasn't been very successful either, So I'm not quite

1718
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 5: sure what the hold up is if you're telling me

1719
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 5: we're not gonna get it in the summer, we're gonna

1720
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 5: get it in fall. I'm gonna predict that we're not

1721
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 5: gonna get it at all. Ooh oh, I mean it's

1722
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 5: a bit strong. It's a bit strong, But like, how

1723
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 5: how long have we been talking about Jones versus steep A?

1724
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 5: How many times have fights been pushed back involving these

1725
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 5: guys before they actually happen?

1726
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 4: Like, I just.

1727
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 5: They needed that fight on International Fight Week, I think

1728
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 5: more than they need it any other time of the year.

1729
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 4: It's just a shame. Listen.

1730
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 5: I'm a disenfranchised soul. I just want to see cool

1731
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 5: fights get made, and when they don't, I have to

1732
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 5: emotionally shelter myself. It's the only way I got through

1733
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 5: high school. I didn't expect to pass my test, and

1734
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 5: so when I did, I'm like, you know what, we're

1735
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 5: still kicking.

1736
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: Well that's something grade twelve math. How does that make

1737
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 4: you feel? As a ictorian? Say what, you were class

1738
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 4: of edictorian and you failed?

1739
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no.

1740
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 3: My best friend so there was four of us with

1741
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 3: a group of friends. The one of them was the

1742
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 3: valedictorian the second one was the salutatorian, and both of

1743
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 3: them had the highest SAT score that year, so I

1744
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 3: had tough competition with my friends that year.

1745
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 5: But okay, my math teacher did write me a glowing

1746
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 5: reference letter though, So shout out to Dave who saw something.

1747
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 3: Dude, this is a true story. I don't I've ever

1748
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 3: told this one. It's very minor, but I just want

1749
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 3: to tell it, so I don't know how it goes anymore.

1750
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 3: But when I was in high school, you had to

1751
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: get a lot of people to write you recommendations. And

1752
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: one of them was like, it was demanded at certain

1753
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: places that your guidance counselor write you want.

1754
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 4: And I got one from her.

1755
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 3: It was fine, and then I read it and it said,

1756
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 3: you know, Luca is dedicated, determined, and dependable.

1757
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,919
Speaker 4: And I was like, that sounds that sounds familiar.

1758
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 3: Sure enough, I turned on the evening news that was

1759
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 3: Channel five in Atlanta, Georgia's evening news. That was their slogan,

1760
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: Channel five News Dedicated, determined and dependable. She just wrote

1761
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 3: what the news slogan was on my fucking recommendation letter

1762
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: to colleges. I was like, what the fuck, lady, what

1763
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 3: is this, you know, like not even not even given

1764
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 3: a damn.

1765
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: In the end.

1766
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 3: But okay, neither here nor there. Let's talk about the

1767
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: matchup itself. Marino versus Pantoja. Moreno has lost twice to him.

1768
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: He lost once on the ultimate fighter of V a

1769
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: rear naked choke, and then they rematched what year was that,

1770
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen and he lost via decision. But to your point,

1771
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 3: their careers have gone in somewhat different directions. It's not

1772
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 3: to say that Pantoja didn't have winning ways after that.

1773
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 3: In fact, he's only lost I think once after that

1774
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: to Figuredo in twenty twenty two. But it was Moreno

1775
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 3: who had the rivalry with him and was able to

1776
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: get some other wins. And so now they meet back

1777
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 3: here again. It's a little it's not quite like Izzy

1778
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: and Potato, but it just goes to show you guys

1779
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 3: can lose multiple times to the same guy if they

1780
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: rematch later. It's all about timing. I would imagine Marino

1781
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: will be favored to win this.

1782
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 4: One, as he should.

1783
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 5: I mean, I just think every flyweight in the UFC

1784
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 5: is breathing a sigh of relief that Figured Eighto versus

1785
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 5: Marino four didn't end in another draw because it's really

1786
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 5: stifled a lot of solid contenders in this division while

1787
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 5: these guys just went tit for Tad over the course

1788
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 5: of four years. Pantosia has a lot of reason to

1789
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 5: be confident. I'm sure he's very relieved to finally get

1790
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 5: this booking and from Moreno. Look, MMA is at its

1791
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 5: best when you have a combination of stakes, skills and storytelling,

1792
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 5: and this is one that you can sell. For all

1793
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 5: the disrespect the flyweights still get, I think they're in

1794
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 5: a stronger position than they've been in and forever. I

1795
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 5: love that this is an international fight week. I hope

1796
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 5: we still get something with a little bit more name value. Obviously,

1797
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 5: Volkanovsky versus Yayir is a tremendous fight.

1798
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 4: And Vulk deserves a really big like for Vulk.

1799
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 5: I'd be happy for Vulk if he gets that headlining

1800
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 5: spot because he deserves it. But in terms of making

1801
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 5: this a real, you know, like WrestleMania esque spectacle, I

1802
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 5: think it would actually behoove both him and Moreno and

1803
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 5: their opponents if we could get something. If we're not

1804
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 5: getting Jones Versustipe, I don't know what it would be

1805
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 5: I just hope we get one big fight to top

1806
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 5: end all of this, because it's gonna bring a lot

1807
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 5: of well deserved attention to Moreno, to Pantosia, to Yayir

1808
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 5: and to Volkanovsky.

1809
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, how happy would you

1810
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 3: be if they brought Balal Mohammad versus Chef cut Rochmanov

1811
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 3: to Canada?

1812
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 5: I hate I'm on a as a matter of competition, absolutely,

1813
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 5: I hate that fight because Bolal deserves he does not

1814
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,799
Speaker 5: deserve to be fighting backwards against the guy as difficult

1815
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 5: as shoff Cut. You know, I think we're gonna talk

1816
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 5: about a little a little later in the show with

1817
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 5: who is buying for the Walterway title. The only fight

1818
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 5: I want to see for Bawall if you're not gonna

1819
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 5: give him the title shot.

1820
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 4: And like I said.

1821
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 5: Earlier, you can make the argument that he hasn't beat

1822
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 5: a top five guy, but the winning streak is there.

1823
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 5: The only person I want to see Ballall fight other

1824
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 5: than Leon Edwards right now is Kamar Ousman or Gilbert Burns.

1825
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 4: But those are the only two fights I.

1826
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 5: Want for Ballall because he deserves something that's gonna guarantee

1827
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 5: him a title shot. Okay, all right, that versus shot

1828
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 5: Cuts a dope fight. It's a great fight. It sucks, yeah,

1829
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 5: it does suck for bl all.

1830
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 4: All right, with that in mind, let's do now a

1831
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 4: segment we like to call buy or sell. So here's

1832
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 4: how this is gonna go. We got five of these for.

1833
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 3: You here, shock Shack calling you shock Shack, and you're

1834
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 3: gonna tell me whether you're gonna buy this or sell this.

1835
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 3: I'll read to you what I'm asking you to buy

1836
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: or sell, and then I'll give you what the context is.

1837
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:58,759
Speaker 4: Let me know if you're ready.

1838
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 5: More ready than I'll no, less ready than I'll be

1839
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 5: a second from now.

1840
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 3: Luke, all right, here we go, buy our cell. Dustin

1841
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 3: Pariad will fight Justin Gaichee before August. Here's what Dustin

1842
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 3: said at the UFC two eighty seven post fight show quote,

1843
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: it seems like the Geychee fight makes the most sense.

1844
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 4: We'll see.

1845
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 3: I think it could happen this summer. But I don't

1846
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 3: have an answer for you. I don't know what's next,

1847
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 3: but it's looking like the Gay Chee fight. He's calling

1848
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 3: for it, his people around him. I saw an interview.

1849
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 3: They said they don't think I'm gonna take it. There's

1850
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 3: some silly he wrote. He wrote, there's some silly goose

1851
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 3: the plural of goose's geese. So I'm gonna say there

1852
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 3: are some silly geese. Man buy or sell before August

1853
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 3: or not.

1854
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 5: I passed English class, so I knew that one before August.

1855
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 5: I feel like Justin Gaichie, for as wild as he is,

1856
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 5: has been more mindful to take time off and let

1857
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 5: himself heal. So if anything's the hold up, I think

1858
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 5: it might be Justin just trying to recover from the

1859
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 5: physa fight.

1860
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go, Oh, you're gonna buy it? Okay, I

1861
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 4: want to believe it. I wanted. That's a dope fight.

1862
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 5: The winner is primed for a title shot after Oliver

1863
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 5: Arra Daryus fight Maka Chev. I think it behooves the

1864
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 5: UFC to get those things done in a relatively similar timeframe.

1865
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 3: Let's buy it all right, number two, buy or sell.

1866
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 3: Jorge Masadol will fight again, but it will be only

1867
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 3: in boxing. Quote from Masvidal in the MMA Hour, He's

1868
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 3: not gonna fight bare knuckle just because of his hands.

1869
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Your boy has twenty years in the fight game. My

1870
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 3: hands have been through everything. You can imagine. There's times

1871
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: after fights that it's like my hands are bad with

1872
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 3: gloves and casts and all that, So I personally couldn't

1873
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 3: do that.

1874
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 4: I wouldn't talk about bare knuckle.

1875
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do MMA obviously, and I always want to

1876
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 3: do boxing fights, but as of right now, I would

1877
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 3: say no to all of it.

1878
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 4: It's if something.

1879
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 3: Crazy came about, yeah, I would entertain it obviously, first

1880
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 3: and foremost, I'd have to get the UFC's permission. It'd

1881
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 3: have to be the ones to grace me with that,

1882
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: because I'm still under contract with him.

1883
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 4: He will fight again, but only in boxing. Buy or sell.

1884
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say buy, and I'm actually

1885
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 5: gonna say it's in the UFC. I think if hor

1886
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,520
Speaker 5: Hay can again, but this is only boxing. I know boxing.

1887
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 5: You're gonna sell on boxing, I'm gonna sell on boxing.

1888
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 5: I just don't know who he's gonna fight. The Jake

1889
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 5: Paul thing has obviously taken a dip. Also, I just

1890
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 5: don't like the idea of guys Nate and Jorges size

1891
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 5: fighting Jake Paul. I. I just think it's too big

1892
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 5: of a weight. Discrepancy there, I'm gonna sell him in boxing.

1893
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 4: I think that's right. I don't, I don't, But.

1894
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 5: He has his own promotion, like I guess he could

1895
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 5: he does.

1896
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 4: Is he gonna pay himself that way? Though? Like, I

1897
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 4: don't know can you do that? I don't even know

1898
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 4: if that's legal in boxing. I think you can do

1899
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 4: it in then may. I don't know if you can

1900
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 4: do it in boxing.

1901
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,799
Speaker 5: Well, if he can do it for his own promotion,

1902
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:46,839
Speaker 5: I buy.

1903
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, But like is he gonna fight Canelo? Is

1904
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 3: he gonna fight? To your point, Jake Paul, it seems unlikely.

1905
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 3: It seems unlikely.

1906
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 4: All right, three buy or sell, no doubt about it.

1907
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 3: Gilbert Burns is next after Colby for the welterweight title shot.

1908
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 3: Gilbert in the postfight scrumsones, I think it's almost a

1909
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: done deal that Leon and Colby are going to be

1910
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 3: in London.

1911
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,839
Speaker 4: I want to be the backup.

1912
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 3: No, I'm going to I'm not asking, I'm demanding that

1913
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to because whenever they ask me, the UFC

1914
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: calls for an opponent, I always say yes. Now I'm

1915
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: demanding that I'm going to do my training camp for

1916
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 3: five rounds I go to London. I'm next in line

1917
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 3: for the title. Burns said, otherwise, let me go do

1918
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,440
Speaker 3: my thing. These guys asking a million and other organizations.

1919
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 4: You know, that's it.

1920
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm back up for the next title fight and I'm

1921
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 3: fighting for the title next. Dana White saying, I love

1922
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 3: that deal. You've got a deal. Do you think, though,

1923
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: that that actually means that Gilbert gets the winner of

1924
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 3: Edwards Covington by herself.

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Speaker 5: Pop off Gilbert Burns. I love to see a nice

1926
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Speaker 5: guy stand up for himself a little bit. I'm going

1927
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 5: to say by on the condition that he does actually

1928
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Speaker 5: fill in his backup, makes the weight on fight night,

1929
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Speaker 5: and doesn't get the fight. Because it's the reason Colby

1930
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Speaker 5: Covington at least the Dana White is publicly stated is

1931
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Speaker 5: getting the title shot because he was willing to go

1932
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Speaker 5: through that weight cut for a fight he never got

1933
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 5: on Leon Edwards with Kmart Lusman two. We've seen him

1934
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Speaker 5: reward Michael Chandler for Phil, you know, being the fill

1935
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 5: in for I think it was the Habib Gaichee fight.

1936
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Speaker 5: Dana seems to like it when a fighter is willing

1937
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Speaker 5: to go through all of that just to not even

1938
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 5: be guaranteed to fight, and it also sort of ties

1939
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Speaker 5: that fighter into the fight week promotion a little bit.

1940
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Speaker 5: So if Gilbert actually serves his fill in yes bye,

1941
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Speaker 5: he's going to get the next title shot.

1942
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Speaker 3: All right, So how about this one? I'm gonna skip

1943
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 3: one and then come back to another one. How about

1944
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 3: this one? By or sell Is, the Israel Aisna is

1945
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Speaker 3: a top five all time fighter. Here is Matt Brown

1946
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 3: talking to MMA Fighting. He says, quote, if we want

1947
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Speaker 3: to compare with other goats that we always talk about,

1948
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 3: GSP had a very unexciting career as a champion, we

1949
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: simply put him up there for his wins, his amount

1950
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 3: of wins and not losing rounds. This fight just hit

1951
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: me in a different way. Maybe I'm a little bit

1952
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 3: biased right now because it just happened this weekend and

1953
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 3: I'm still a little bit high from it. Definitely gave

1954
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 3: me a buzz watching that And is he just the

1955
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 3: way he did it? I think that's an extremely special

1956
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 3: person to be able to do that. He thinks he's

1957
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 3: a top five all time by or sell.

1958
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 4: Is, he is an extremely special person. That's a cell.

1959
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 5: I don't think j May is quite there yet. Top

1960
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 5: ten I'd be willing to have that conversation. But if

1961
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 5: I'm just looking at like topology's greatest MMA fighters of

1962
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 5: all time, GSP, John Jones, Demetrius Johnson, Anderson Silva, is

1963
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 5: he's close because from there on you got Habib, Jose Fador, DC,

1964
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 5: Stepe Volkanovski. I'd be willing to have the conversation about

1965
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 5: top ten, but my issue is, I is, he hasn't

1966
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 5: had the same sustained amount of success. He fell short

1967
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 5: in his move up to light heavyweight against Ian Blohovich,

1968
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 5: he lost to Alex Perera. The other guys that we

1969
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 5: think of as the top five have record setting reins.

1970
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 5: They have you know, Demitrius Johnson still holds the record

1971
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 5: for most successful and most consecutive UFC title defenses.

1972
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 4: Regardless of weight class.

1973
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 5: You have guys who've sustained their success against the very

1974
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 5: best almost never come short. I is, he's just had

1975
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 5: a couple of hiccups. He can definitely be top ten,

1976
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 5: but I think right now i'd almost put I probably

1977
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 5: put Volkanovsky ahead of Izzy. So yeah, I think top

1978
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 5: five is a bit of a stretch. I'm gonna sell

1979
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 5: that one.

1980
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Speaker 3: It might be a bit of a stretch, but I

1981
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 3: don't think it's right now right now. But like I

1982
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 3: gotta tell you, man, I don't know how. I haven't

1983
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 3: had a chance to ask you about it. That's got

1984
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 3: to be one of the most special wins I've ever

1985
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: seen in MMA.

1986
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's one thing to beat a guy.

1987
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Who beat you before in this case you know, three

1988
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 3: times twice via stoppage, but then to put yourself in

1989
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 3: the line of fire the way he did to lose

1990
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 3: Tyler recapture, which by itself is hard to do. Like

1991
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 3: every way that fight was supposed to go was probably

1992
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 3: gonna lead to Izzy losing, and he found the one

1993
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 3: way to just change the course of history, to beat

1994
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 3: the odds, to truly defy them, and to not just win,

1995
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 3: but to win. So matter of factly, it's one of

1996
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 3: the more iconic, historic and special wins. Maybe by itself,

1997
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 3: and even with the rest of the resume, it doesn't

1998
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 3: put him top five, certainly, not yet.

1999
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 4: But I gotta tell you, man, that is where do

2000
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: you rank that intern?

2001
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 3: Like when I think of triumphant moments in MMA, just

2002
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 3: think about that for just some more triumphant moments, one

2003
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 3: of one one of them that stands out has got

2004
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 3: to be Connor beating Adialvarez right, becoming the first ever

2005
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 3: two weight world champdud. He just couldn't be beaten that night.

2006
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 3: He was not gonna fucking lose that night. Maybe this

2007
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 3: one didn't quite feel like that. But to just defy,

2008
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 3: as I indicated, to defy all of the pressure, all

2009
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 3: of the odds, put himself in the line of fire

2010
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 3: in order to get the win.

2011
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:44,839
Speaker 4: Man so special. Where do you rank it? Certainly it's

2012
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 4: up there. It's again.

2013
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Speaker 5: I was away from my bachelor party and so I

2014
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 5: watched it back. I feel like that always sort of

2015
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 5: takes you out of the moment a little bit. It

2016
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 5: does experiencing something in real time. What actually stands set

2017
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 5: out to me the most was not the incredible post

2018
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 5: fight speech bullying Alex's son. It was after knocking out

2019
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 5: Alex that little bow and arrow sequence. He kind of

2020
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 5: fired two imaginary arrows at Alex, and then the third

2021
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 5: one he held on to the draw, and that release

2022
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 5: was so cathartic. That was the moment where you could

2023
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 5: really see how much it meant for him to get

2024
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 5: this back, to cope with all the losses, to all

2025
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 5: the stigma around where his future is going to succeed

2026
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 5: in that way is truly remarkable, and it's something that

2027
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 5: Brandon Wise, our editor over at CBS Sports, sort of

2028
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 5: was explaining to someone on the staff about why we

2029
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 5: love combat sports because at the end of the day,

2030
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 5: it's a battle of wills between two people.

2031
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 4: For all the.

2032
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 5: Training and preparation, all the coaching, at the end of

2033
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 5: the day, it's two people who go in there and

2034
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 5: have to execute at the highest level and put all

2035
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 5: of their heart and spirit in there with their technique.

2036
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 5: And that's what is he did supremely why supremely technical,

2037
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 5: But you do not get there unless you have the

2038
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 5: determination and an en domitable will to make it happen.

2039
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 5: I certainly think that goes down as one of the

2040
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 5: greatest examples of triumph and overcoming. And you can make

2041
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 5: the argument that, hey, Alex deserves a rematch, or I

2042
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 5: disagree just because we I think we do have to

2043
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 5: sort of isolate MMA versus kickboxing. You can make the

2044
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 5: argument that Alex has I mean, he does have three

2045
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 5: wins over Izzy, but in that moment, in that encapsulated space,

2046
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 5: the way he was able to overcome adversity and the

2047
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 5: speech afterwards. Just Chef's kiss Izzy all credit. That's an

2048
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 5: iconic moment.

2049
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 3: It really was all right, last but not least by

2050
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 3: or Sell Jake Paul will find a way to fight

2051
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 3: Ali Muhammad Ali's grandchildren.

2052
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 4: Here we go. So it is okay, okay, okay.

2053
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, let me just read it out

2054
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 3: in boxing, here's what he wanted to do. He wanted

2055
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 3: to fight Nico Ali Walsh, the boxer. He says, this

2056
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 3: is Nico ali Walsh talking. I've been asked a few

2057
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 3: times I would say it for me personally, that's not

2058
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 3: something I'm interested in.

2059
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 4: I want to make a career for myself. I want

2060
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 4: to continue my grandfather's legacy and carve out my own

2061
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 4: path as well. I feel like no disrespect to him,

2062
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 4: but once you fight someone in that category, I think,

2063
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 4: like YouTuber thing, you.

2064
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 3: Often get categorized as that type of fighter. And then

2065
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 3: Biagio Ali Walsh, who is the PFL amateur. Nico fights

2066
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 3: at one sixty two and I fight at one fifty five.

2067
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with Jake, but he should

2068
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 3: fight someone his own size. I don't know why he

2069
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 3: is trying to fight people smaller than him. He fought

2070
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 3: at cruiserweight in boxing, so fight at the same weight

2071
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 3: in MMA.

2072
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 4: That's a fair point. That's a fair point.

2073
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 5: It's the exact reason I'm so vehemently against a Nate

2074
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 5: Daz Jake Paul fight. Like, certainly I want Nate Dz

2075
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 5: to get that payday, but the size discrepancy, the damage

2076
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 5: that Nates take, and it's just too wide sell this.

2077
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 5: I think Jake Paul, I mean, listen, he makes a lot,

2078
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 5: a lot more money than I do. Far be it

2079
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 5: from me to give him business advice, But I think

2080
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 5: the uh sort of web traffic and pay per view

2081
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 5: by success of Jake Paul versus Tommy Fury over like

2082
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 5: the Anderson Silva fight and the second Tyron woodleiy fight.

2083
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 5: But I think it shows is it's a point you've

2084
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 5: made often that it's it seems like the people who tune

2085
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 5: into this are more MMA fans and boxing fans, But

2086
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 5: I think the people that are tuning in the most

2087
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 5: aren't really big fans of either. It's the internet crowd.

2088
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 5: So if Jake Paul wants to make a big payday

2089
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 5: and make the biggest fight possible, you go after the

2090
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 5: KSIs I mean, I I don't know that you're aware

2091
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 5: of this, but there was something called Mogul chess boxing

2092
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 5: that happened in December. It's one round of chess followed

2093
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 5: by one round of boxing, and the fight ends either

2094
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 5: when you get checkmate, or someone resigns, or you knock

2095
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 5: your opponent out. That thing I had ten thousand fans

2096
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 5: in attendance, five hundred thousand people watching the live stream,

2097
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 5: and three point seven million viewers to date as of

2098
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 5: from December till Now.

2099
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 4: That's right? Are you good at chess? Could you do this?

2100
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 4: Could you be?

2101
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm okay in chess, probably forty three. I'm

2102
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 3: going to be terrible at chess boxing. Let me assure you,

2103
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't want that kind of pressure

2104
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 3: when I play chess to do it either.

2105
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 5: So that's the market, Jake Sell, Sell, go make your

2106
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:00,560
Speaker 5: money WITHI.

2107
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 4: I think that's probably right.

2108
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 3: Well, that is it, my friend for us today we

2109
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 3: got the tech difficulties worked out.

2110
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 4: How about that? Made it work.

2111
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Between you two?

2112
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 4: Underdog story forget Yeah, that's right.

2113
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 3: You know what triumphant moment right there in Vancouver, Canada,

2114
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 3: getting through one more time, folks, so tell us what

2115
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 3: you have coming up? Like what you mentioned you have

2116
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 3: a royal interview in the cooker? What else do you

2117
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 3: have in the cooker?

2118
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: Like?

2119
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 4: And how do folks get a hold of it?

2120
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Shack MMA is the place to go for all

2121
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 5: the MMA content on YouTube. That's Shack with a K.

2122
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 5: If you're into pro wrestling, I know most of you

2123
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 5: are not. Shack wrestling is there as well interviews with

2124
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 5: ww superstars. Aw, Guys, what do I have in the doka? Well,

2125
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 5: we have Belotour coming up next week, so you can

2126
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 5: bet there's gonna be a lot of content there. Great doubleheader,

2127
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 5: you have the Grand prebandonweight Finals, Stots versus Mix. You

2128
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 5: have Liz Carmoosh who's just made a tremendous career for

2129
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 5: herself as Belatour champ after a very underappreciated running the UFC.

2130
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 5: I think beyond that, guys, just say to him, Look,

2131
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 5: I'm alway hustling, I'm always grinding. We had Jorge vat

2132
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 5: Masvidal last week. It might be fun to go back

2133
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 5: and watch that and sort of see how a statement

2134
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 5: sort of played out to the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 4: Just subscribe, best thing you can do.

2136
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Speaker 5: Hit that notification bell and it's shaq fu on you

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Speaker 5: you with my content there as well. And Luke, I

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Speaker 5: want to thank you and Brian role models both in

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Speaker 5: terms of how to approach this journalism career as well

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Speaker 5: as how to not abuse my body with vapes and

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Speaker 5: gas station hot dogs.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know we are the worst possible guys you

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Speaker 3: could listen to on that account. Also, don't text me

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Speaker 3: to retweet your shit.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing. I don't done it twice, Luke, I

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Speaker 4: done it twice. I'm just easy. I'm just easy. Honestly.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a very effective way to get things, to

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Speaker 4: get people to do that for you.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's so funny. I love making fun of it.

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Speaker 3: But I hope you know I don't actually mind me let.

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Speaker 5: Me let me tell everyone. Luke has never once told

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Speaker 5: me this in privately. He never even texted me back

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Speaker 5: to say, don't do Luke. He just uses it as

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Speaker 5: a shit on me on camp.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the only way it's fun. It's not fun

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Speaker 3: of I'm like, I don't have for sure I does

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Speaker 3: on text. I'm not doing that I'm gonna tear you

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Speaker 3: up on air. Well, you did a great job today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming through. Uh, congratulations on your bachelor party.

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Speaker 3: When what are you getting married? By the way, Uh

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Speaker 3: summer this summer wow in Canada? Are gonna have in

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Speaker 3: the half years? Yeah, we're doing in Vancouver. Okay, that

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Speaker 3: should be a lot of fun. Well, thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining me. Oh one more reminder, if you

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Speaker 3: want Showtime, you can get it showtime dot com. You

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Speaker 3: get a thirty day free trophy like and you can

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Speaker 3: keep it. Not feel free to bounce. That's entirely up

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Speaker 3: to you. And then don't forget. You can go to

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Speaker 3: sports Podcastgroup dot com and you can vote for Old

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Speaker 3: MK for best combat sports Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Do that now you you go here or there?

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Speaker 5: We are we back Luke just for us guys. Vote

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Speaker 5: for them, vote for them. Yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 5: I get to tell people I'm on an award winning podcast.

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Speaker 4: So that's right. That's right. Cloud your moonlighting now that

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Speaker 4: BC is gone? All right, check.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thanks to Showtime, Thanks to CBS

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Speaker 3: Sports Mokey Morms on the ones and twos.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to everyone who watched. We appreciate it we're out.

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Speaker 3: By the way, a John Annik Room Service Diaries hits

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Speaker 3: the uh youtubes right here, YouTube dot Com slash Morning

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Speaker 3: Combat on Friday, So Friday a sit down with the

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Speaker 3: legendary John Anick.

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Speaker 4: You are not gonna want to miss that one. It's

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Speaker 4: really good. So until then, thank you so much for watching,

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Speaker 4: and may all of your gains be loyal