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Speaker 3: also streaming live on my Instagram. Shout out to my

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Speaker 3: I see my YouTube family popping up. I see my

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Speaker 3: Purpose because I have a very very special guest with me,

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Speaker 3: So as you watch this, I am going to direct

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Speaker 3: Link will be available if you want to actually see

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Speaker 4: Says, I am so humbled to be part of your great,

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Speaker 2: What I said, there's no way he didn't do it,

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Speaker 3: matter of Now, there were people who believed he didn't

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Speaker 3: do it, but there was not a matter of if

441
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: he did it or didn't do it. It was what

442
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 3: you said, did he actually get away with this? And

443
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: did a black man an attorney make that happen? Was

444
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: the system finally beat? And what I think is interesting

445
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: is how O jay sentence because even at that time

446
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: he went to the Black church, like Johnny Carran really

447
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: did it, like he brought him to the Black church.

448
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: He did all.

449
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Imagine if that happens now. I'll just use an example

450
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: with Candice Owns. A couple of weeks ago, everybody kept

451
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 3: asking my pen on that you know somebody who people said,

452
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: you know, it's not for us who mocked the murder

453
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: of George Floyd. Mocked the murder of George Floyd. And

454
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: she's pretty much going on at Black Church tour, and

455
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the majority of people saying no, no, no,

456
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: you can't come back over here. And then there's some

457
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 3: people say, well, you know, she kind of got a point.

458
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: It reminds me of this O. J. Simpson.

459
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: He was embraced, and I want you to talk a

460
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 3: little bit about that. Do you think some of the

461
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: embracement was the the love, because you know, I did

462
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 3: bear me when I get my words. I did a

463
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: podcast on this, on the love that we have, the

464
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: forgiving love that we have, the come on back home.

465
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: The prodigal son was some of that, you know, were

466
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 3: hurt that you left us, because oh, they did leave

467
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: the black community.

468
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Speaker 2: Let's just be clear.

469
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: It wasn't even just about maryoring a black a white woman.

470
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 3: It was about he disconnected himself. And it made for

471
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Speaker 3: me to say that he was not black. He's ojay,

472
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: go ahead, He's not the one.

473
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna answer that question a second. There are many

474
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 4: black people who we see in media today who if

475
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: you check the last ten people they've spoken to, if

476
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 4: you check the last ten people they have text, you text,

477
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: the last ten people they went and hung out with,

478
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 4: then none of them are black. They're hired by media

479
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 4: to come on and talk from the perspective of being

480
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: African American, but many of them are on MSNBC and CNN.

481
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: They don't have black friends, they don't have black partners,

482
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: they don't live in the black community at all, not

483
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: at all. They can reflect on having grown up in

484
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 4: the whatever community. But if you look, they went to

485
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 4: our lady of this or that, or prep for this

486
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: or that, and they went to this elite school, and

487
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 4: so you'll hear them. Those people spend this significant amount

488
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: of their time in the black community. Here the distinction

489
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: between them and of the black people. But many white

490
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 4: people don't know the difference. They just see two black people.

491
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 4: They don't know that there's a significant, not nuanced difference

492
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 4: between these people who've only gone to private white schools

493
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: and then to an elite college, but who were still

494
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 4: phoenotypically black, and these people who are phoenosipically black, but

495
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: who spend the lion's share of their time engaging with

496
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: the African Americans experience writ large, not just the ink

497
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: Well experience, not to Jack and Jill experience, but the

498
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: full experience. I don't think that people, and I'll start

499
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: with me. We the people I was talking to you

500
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: during that time, we weren't celebrating OJ Simpson. I was

501
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: never expecting OJ to come back. I accepted that he

502
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 4: was gone. I except that he was gone. What I

503
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 4: as a black man who was just getting to a

504
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 4: place where for the first time in my life, I

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: thought that I might be an intellectual. Like I remember

506
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 4: growing up thinking I was stupid. I stayed back in

507
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: the third grade. I was our medio classes. I just

508
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 4: thought I was stupid. I knew I struggled to read.

509
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: I didn't know why I thought I was stupid, Like

510
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 4: I thought all the black boys like we were just

511
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: not smart. But we were ones got in most trouble.

512
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: School wasn't for us. So I remember coming into what

513
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 4: I believed to be my intellectual own during that time,

514
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 4: and I remember somebody calling me intellectually one time. I

515
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 4: thought they were trying to clown me, like somebody trying

516
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: to call me white, Like yo, what you just called me?

517
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 4: So to see Johnny Cochran, I was like.

518
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: That that.

519
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: During that same time, you have to realize Cornell West

520
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: was starting to do this speaking engagements. During that same time,

521
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: Mike Dyson was doctor Mike Dyson was out there. So

522
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: you got West Dyson and and and and and Cochrane

523
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 4: who people like me were starting to read what Garrick

524
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: Bell were reading face at the bottom of the well,

525
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 4: like we're reading this stuff and we're starting to stuff.

526
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 4: This is I need you to understand. It's the same

527
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: time as the Million Man March. So the Million Man

528
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 4: March is happening, right, So you got the Me and

529
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: Man March coming to coming to be. So I'm in

530
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 4: Philly during this time and I'm going to see Fara

531
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: con and he's doing organizing. So we got black men

532
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: coming together. We got uh Derek Bella we're reading, We

533
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: got uh uh kawanzi be Drinjufu, We got all these

534
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: people like we're starting to be like, okay, so you

535
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 4: can be black and you can smart about o J. Yeah.

536
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: Just to put a pin there and got thinking to

537
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: join us just quickly. I'm this is doctor Steve Perry.

538
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Speaker 3: We got a couple of hundred on Instagram, five hundred

539
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: on YouTube. Make sure you tap in, do a quick

540
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: search and put in two way with teslam figure oh

541
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: god on YouTube, and you want to see this line,

542
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: don't forget your thought down pair. I just want to

543
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: make sure I'm putting a pin in that on what

544
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: you're actually saying.

545
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: For the first time, you got.

546
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: To see the black intellectual be black, present black, act black,

547
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: talk black, and be smart.

548
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: During the same time. During that time, black hip hop

549
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 4: was about black medallion's no goal. During that time, self

550
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: destruction was what we were talking about. That was so

551
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: there was a there was a black consciousness occurring simultaneous

552
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: to literally saying burn Hollywood, burn yes.

553
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: And if the police so let's be clear, so they're

554
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: all will sign, will take that.

555
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: You had that goal on that, but you had nw ain't.

556
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: Who I subscribe to where you had Because again we're

557
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: coming out of Rodney Key, you know, shout out to Spot.

558
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: I talked about him all the time. I'm my very

559
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: best friends.

560
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: He was a part of the Blood and Crypt treaty.

561
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: So now you're coming out of you're seeing what I

562
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: call the homies were the black militia, those on the ground,

563
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: those same men that went to the Mallie Man March.

564
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: The homies saying no, yes, yes, he's treaties, yes, wasn't.

565
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 4: Crips in certain sets were coming together and say, yo,

566
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 4: what are we doing. So there was a black consciousness

567
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: that was taking shape and it was running alongside when

568
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: we referred to as gangster rap, but it was gangster

569
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: rapping because it was people who were saying, we are

570
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 4: tired of you having your boot on our neck. We're

571
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 4: tired of y'all beating us and getting away with a

572
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: wee about that one of us is gonna get it through.

573
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: It's either the thugs and we're gonna get out, or

574
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: it's gonna be the intellection. But one of us gonna

575
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: make it to the top and we ain't gonna make

576
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: it being polite. That was what this was about. So

577
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: you have all these things happening at the same time.

578
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: I don't ever think that there were any capsule like

579
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: come on back, OJ, trying a hell OJ. That was

580
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: not even what I was thinking when I was connected

581
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: to and what the brothers who we would have these sets,

582
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: because we would have these sets at my cribbin and

583
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: Philly brothers would sit around they like I mean brothers,

584
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: like brothers, brothers even like real dudes, like I don't

585
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: want to go through you understand what I'm saying. Like

586
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: those dudes were sitting around and were debating over over

587
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: what topics it was. This is the time when even

588
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: the roots, the group, the Roots, this is when they

589
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: were in Philly and they were coming up like that

590
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: was just black consciousness. Black thought in that, like this

591
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: is who we were. And so at the same time

592
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: as we're going to the million man March planning committees,

593
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: at the same time as we've got black men coming

594
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: to campus to speak to us on white campuses, at

595
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: the same time as we got Rodney King being his

596
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: head split literally open, we have OJ comes in. So OJ,

597
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: for many of us himself was not who we were

598
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: pulling for. I never thought for a second that the

599
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: cat was in it, and it just didn't seem like

600
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: it made sense. But for me, it felt like, if

601
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: we're gonna play this thing, let's play it all the

602
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: way out. They just got to put reasonable doubt in here,

603
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: right m.

604
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Hm showed for us.

605
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Speaker 4: I never felt good about OJ getting off. I said

606
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: it then and I say it now. I never felt

607
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: good about that.

608
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: Why do you think people did why?

609
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: Why do you think there were people that just did

610
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: not believe that it was possible that one person could.

611
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: Decapitate two people. And again, if.

612
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: People actually go back and watch the trial and actually

613
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: look at the evidence, which you know nobody likes evidence

614
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: who wants to read. But if you actually go back

615
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: and look at how Ron Goldman was, how Nicole's head

616
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: was basically chopped off, there was no fighting two people

617
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: at the same time, and then there was the struggle

618
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: with that's correct correct? So why do you think because

619
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Speaker 3: even now, even looking in the comments, you know, resting

620
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: piece of oj OJ, I wonder if these people are

621
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: really connected to the man oj are still connected to.

622
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't charged even then, And let me be clear,

623
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: let me not attempt to present myself as someone who

624
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 4: was deeply thinking during that time. I want to make

625
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: sure that I'm clear. What I don't want to do

626
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: is into the conversation pious I'm saying, I know where

627
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: I was sitting in mister Wade's conference room when it happened. Yes,

628
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: I know, I know, feeling a duplicitousness. I watched the

629
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: kids down at Howard say what they were saying, and

630
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: I watched them celebrate, and I felt badly about that,

631
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: But there was enough of me, if I'm gonna be frank,

632
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: to think about we got one, they got four hundred

633
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: years of it. We got one right. I didn't feel

634
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: good about what the we was. I didn't feel good

635
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: about what the one, what the one was. But any

636
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: black man who's ever been pulled over by a cop,

637
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: any black father who's ever had to say to his

638
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: son before he leaves the house, listen, do this, do this,

639
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: do this? Do this. Up the street from me, literally

640
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: less than a mile from me, a young black man

641
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: about two years ago was murdered by cops. He was

642
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: murdered like it was what it was. I mean, they

643
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: broke the window. There was they had the young man

644
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: surround it. They broke the window, he's still strapped in

645
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: the seat, and they just unload into the car, just

646
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 4: unload into the car. He was murdered. That's murdered. That's

647
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: murd that's murdered. None of those cats have been none.

648
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: All of them have been reinstated. Everyone, every cop who

649
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: did that has done it. So there so there's still

650
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: this feeling of in the way in which many of

651
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: us can celebrate a drug dealer, like we can celebrate

652
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: a drug dealer because he's getting his he's trying to

653
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: do right by him. At the same time, it is

654
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: feeling very, very conflicted about the fact that he's killing

655
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: somebody's mother right now. Like somebody's mother right now is

656
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: a drug addict. Somebody's father right now is a drug addict.

657
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: I just I just lost a very good friend of

658
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: mine last week to an overdose. I don't feel good

659
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: about that. It's just a matter of who do we

660
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: identify with at what point. I don't ever feel like

661
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: the people who I was around were ever like pro Oj.

662
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: We loved him as an athlete, but then we just recognize.

663
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: And I'm saying this because I want to Test. I

664
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: want so many people who watch you to understand that

665
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: you Test are different than a lot of the black

666
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 4: women and men that they see on television. And he

667
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: has gone the radio, and I want people to really

668
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: understand that a lot of those people you see, a

669
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: lot of the ones you see, they don't spend a

670
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 4: lot of time in the black community, and they damn

671
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: sure don't spend a lot of time with poor black people.

672
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: They may spend a lot of time with the intellectual elite,

673
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: which again, thank God, go you great that your mother

674
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: and father have been successful. I mean, I'm now that

675
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: person to my own sons, I don't want somebody dog

676
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: and my sons out because they don't spend time in poverty.

677
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: That's just not their lifestyle. But it does give them

678
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: a certain perspective that the kids who they went to

679
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: school with in our school who don't have our kids,

680
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: have a very different experience. So I want people to

681
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: understand that. Very often the commentators who are talking, who

682
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 4: are telling you what black people think, don't spend a

683
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: lot of time around black people who we would typically

684
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 4: consider when we think of black people. They're not talking

685
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: about them, even.

686
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: Though they say all the time, the barbecue, the barbecue.

687
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: For some reason they think that makes them look cool.

688
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: But continue they keep saying, who's invited to the barbecue?

689
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: And I mean, you ain't at the barbecue. The barbecues

690
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: and I go to you wouldn't be invited, but.

691
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: Let's let's call it. Let's call it what it is.

692
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: They would be the ones who would stop by the

693
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: Costco and get you the macaroni chief She's like, I

694
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: see the sticker on it. Come on, what did you

695
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: just do here? Now I invited you. I look like

696
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: a goddamn fool because you come up to this joint

697
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: and you got costco.

698
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and well with let's and while let's let's use

699
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: that that metaphor that analogy. Johnny Cochrane brought OJ to

700
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: the barbecue. He brought them to the bar because he's

701
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: left many many times.

702
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: Let me put let me push you on that. Let

703
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: me push you that. I don't think Johnny Cochrane brought OJ.

704
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: I think Johnny Cochrane was always seen as there. So

705
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: it's just like, it's just like the cousin who you bring,

706
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: who brings his girlfriend or his friends to the to

707
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: the cookout. You're like, he's cool because he's with you,

708
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: but if you leave, he gotta go.

709
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, No, nobody goes to the crom table

710
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: playing space.

711
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: He ain't get nobody's partner the space table. He's gonna

712
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: this dude is gonna is gonna cut your your your

713
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 4: ace of spades. Yes, you're gonna put it down the

714
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: spade and this dude gonna throw he gonna.

715
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: You know, well, that's what I mean.

716
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: It was.

717
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: It was a plus one deal.

718
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: And I want to put a pin here too, because man,

719
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: this is such a good conversation.

720
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: You guys tag a friend, join in.

721
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: But I want to put a pin in here too,

722
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: because what I talked about a couple of weeks ago

723
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: with the Candice Owns conversation is the love of a

724
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: black woman, because this is very critical and how we.

725
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: Love and love and love and love and.

726
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: Take back and take back and take back and stand by.

727
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: That's why I compared the love of black woman to

728
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: the love of God, the forgivingness, the even now you

729
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: know people saying, you know, hey, I'm looking in the

730
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: coming Kaitlyn jenneral is out of pocket, we are quick

731
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: to lace up our shoes and fight.

732
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: Even if you're wrong.

733
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: We will still go put that house up, get you

734
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: out of jail, custs you out all the way home.

735
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: We will still say no matter what you did. So

736
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: even in using the analogy of the barbecue, if O. J.

737
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: Simpson came back and the brother's like, hey, we know

738
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: what you want.

739
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: We ain't really with you.

740
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: But since you with Johnny, that's cool, that black woman

741
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: is still gonna say can I fix your plate?

742
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: Can I get you something?

743
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: Have you eate?

744
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Now? Some of the sisters are gonna say, no, you

745
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: want to go with that white girl.

746
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Move on.

747
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: But the reason why I'm using this example doctor pear

748
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 3: is because fast forward to Jonathan Majors now and obviously

749
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: he didn't murder anybody, But I look at the comments,

750
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: and I look at the black women. When he got

751
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: back with before he started dating Megan, the black women

752
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: were saying some were saying, you learned your lesson.

753
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: It is what it is. This would have been a different.

754
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: Time in nineteen ninety five because the black women, for

755
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: the most part, were lining up behind O. J. Simpson

756
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: because they looked at his black mother, they looked at

757
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: his black daughter. But now you have I wonder what

758
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: this will be like now, because now you have black

759
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: women say, hey, Jonathan Major, you shouldn't have been over

760
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: there anyway. But there's still an overwhelming amount of black

761
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: women that are still saying, you know what, you made

762
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: a mistake. We're gonna ride with you anyway. What we're

763
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: not gonna do is let them tear you down. What

764
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: we're not gonna do is let them take everything from you.

765
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: We hope you learn and if you don't learn, whatever

766
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: this learning lesson is, because there's still people say love

767
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: for you, love, We don't have a problem learning you love.

768
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: But there's always been this thing where black women what

769
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: pains us, and I'm gonna give it back to you.

770
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: The trauma that pays us is being forgotten about being

771
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: left like O. J. Simpson's first wife, being there with

772
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: that man through it all thick and thin. You get money,

773
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: and then you leave us. Kanye said it leave you

774
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: for a white girl. Ironically, Kanye did the same thing.

775
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: So black women at that time moved past that pain.

776
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: Some stayed in that trump and said no, they say

777
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: where you at? But we're gonna rule for Johnny Cochran.

778
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: So just now I see the same things happening in

779
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: these conversations, just you know, looking at Jonathan Major's for example,

780
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: what's your thoughts on that?

781
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would say this to me, it's bigger

782
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: than just the woman, the second woman he married. For me,

783
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: it is when I look at Judge Clarence Thomas, I

784
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: think of him as someone who rarely ever engages with

785
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: African Americans. It's not just that he's married to a

786
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: white woman. It is that he is someone who has

787
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: very little sway or interest in the uplift the African

788
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: American community versus someone like a Dawn Stanley, who I'm

789
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: told is with a white woman. I don't think that

790
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 4: there are very few people who doubt her integrity for

791
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: cultural integrity or commitment to our greater cause. I think

792
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: most people, if there were a black draft, would put

793
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: Dawn Stanley at the top of their card, and she

794
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 4: would be a first round draft pick to borrow from

795
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: The Chappelle Show. So I think in the case of O. J. Simpson,

796
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: I think of the in the case of Clarence Thomas,

797
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: I think in the case of Candice Owens, these are

798
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: people who have very little put into the cultural bank,

799
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: very little interest other than the functional interest of I

800
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: ain't got nobody else. It's like being they would have their.

801
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: Way to remove themselves basically.

802
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, but if it's even more than that,

803
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: it's being the person who that person never wanted to date.

804
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: And then when the other people drop you, you go

805
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: back and say, well, at least there's always you, like

806
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: WHOA right, right, I don't feel right. I don't think

807
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: I won right there, I don't feel like I won.

808
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 4: So I don't feel that people. I feel that people.

809
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: And I use it Dawn as an example because she's

810
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: someone who aint nobody on question her quote unquote blackness.

811
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: I don't think I think you have to Well, let

812
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: me just say this. They are always when people question

813
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: people's blackness. I'm not that group.

814
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: But the majority of a miracle was rooting for her.

815
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: For those who listen, you're talking about Don Staley, the

816
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: coach of UH doctor South Cairlineman.

817
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 4: That's correct, National champion coaches South Carolina, one of the

818
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: greatest athletes of male.

819
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: Who won three times.

820
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: But go ahead, right, so you know, but but but

821
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: Ann did so jet black and so jet black when

822
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: she gave her victory speech that was torn from a

823
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: Baptist pulpit that might have been a pental costal. Four

824
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: o'clock in the afternoon, church is still going on from

825
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: eleven a m right. So oj was never that and

826
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: there was an anti race perspective that he had taken

827
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 4: and had ridden to his zenith. Again, I'm gonna stay

828
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: here for a second because a lot of people, a

829
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 4: lot of people love Michael Jordan, but not a lot

830
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 4: of people who love Michael Jordan have loved him for

831
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 4: his open love of the black community. Right, They've not

832
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: openly said that. He has been the guy who has

833
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: taken stances on the African American experience. Michael Jordan's done

834
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: fine for himself. He's done really really well for himself,

835
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: you know, and it's one of the greatest athletes of

836
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: all time. I don't know what he's given or what

837
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: he hasn't given. I'm not in that man's pocket, but

838
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying is well, he said.

839
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: He's about selling shoes, so he said, don't don't look

840
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: to him for the.

841
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: I remember when he actually, I actually remember when he

842
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: said that. But let's just use some you know, there

843
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 4: are certain people who are and you and I talk

844
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: about this, who are conservative, let's just say, who have

845
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: a political perspective that is not let's say, bought and

846
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: sold by the by the by the left. But I

847
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: would say, you would say they're just as black as anybody.

848
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: Just because they don't believe in abortion, and just because

849
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 4: they don't think that they mean they're as committed to

850
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: the community as anybody. They go to a black church,

851
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: they know what to bring to a cookout. They could

852
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: be a spade part that. They are the people who

853
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: are in the community doing the work. They're deeply committed.

854
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 4: They just have a different different spin on what who

855
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 4: to vote for and why. That's not what we're talking about.

856
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: What we're talking about is people who buy and large

857
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: have no interest, connection, or commitment to the black community. O. J.

858
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 4: Simpson was that person and was proud of it. I

859
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: don't know him as a man. I'm just talking about

860
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: what his public right. What do the public offerings were right?

861
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: Because even even somebody like a Jim Brown who said

862
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 4: you've been throwing white women out windows, or James Brown

863
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: who was doing his share of, you know, domestic violence,

864
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: each one of them at points in their lives were

865
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: very clearly trying to organize other black men's proud to

866
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 4: be resources.

867
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: And that's so important, Doctor Perry. I'm so glad man,

868
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: this is good. Y'all.

869
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: Make sure y'all tag somebody again. Let me just reiterate

870
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 3: there and put a pen in it, because I'm looking

871
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: at the comments and want to make sure they know

872
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: exactly what you're saying. This is not about saying that

873
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: anybody that has an interracial relationship is anti black.

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00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: It is about the position.

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00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: Because we can look to Harry Belafonte, there is no

876
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: question about his blackness married to a white woman. So

877
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: this is not a bred Douglas that's right, Yes, it's right.

878
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: So this is not about because you know, they always

879
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: try to dumb that to day. I owe somebody just

880
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: mad because somebody. No, that's not it. It is about

881
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 3: the intentional disrespect, the intentional separation, the intentional.

882
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 4: Not just abandon.

883
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Proud about it.

884
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: That's an aggressive how'd an aggressive abandon? Like the if

885
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: y'all want to know who these people are, they're the

886
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 4: black student that you see when you're walking on campus,

887
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: who looks away. It's like who raised you?

888
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: If you?

889
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 4: If you if you're a black kid on a white

890
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 4: campus and you see another black person walking towards you, you

891
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 4: don't give the head nod. I see you, little boy,

892
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: I see you. But remember somebody else is gonna see

893
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: you too. It's that person who's at the company that

894
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 4: you both work at, who's African American, who doesn't even

895
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: acknowledge your existence. That's like, wow, that's what we're doing. Now.

896
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: I got you and said you're gonna go off. You're

897
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: gonna go off for crack beers with them. Tell me

898
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: how long it's gonna take before they drop an inWORD

899
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: on you. They just say they just playing, And yet

900
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 4: it don't come over to me afterwards.

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00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: That's right. And yet it's the and see that. That's

902
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: the point.

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00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Some people say, don't come over to me afterwards. But

904
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 3: we find ourselves as black people, what are forgiving? Loving self?

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Speaker 3: And that's the part that I think I say, interesting. Yeah, not,

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Speaker 3: There's plenty of us to say, no, duly, no toe.

907
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Speaker 2: Stay where you're at it, where you're at it.

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00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,879
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