WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Millie & Keisha Jackson Pt. 1

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio Happy Black

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<v Speaker 1>History Month from Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an incredible two part QLs classic episode. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a legendary Millie Jackson and her equal legendary daughter, Keisha Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>This mother daughter tandem was wonderful. When QLs got them

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<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta back.

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<v Speaker 1>In September twenty twenty three, million in.

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<v Speaker 2>Particular kicked down many adore about what you can say

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<v Speaker 2>on record and what you can't say on record.

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<v Speaker 1>But she said everything and she's not one of the

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<v Speaker 1>miss words. All right, So here's part one.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy Suprema Sun Sun Supremo.

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<v Speaker 3>Roll Call, Suprema South South Supremo Roll Call Suprema South

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<v Speaker 3>Supremo Roll Call Suprema South.

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<v Speaker 1>Suprema Quest Love Supreme. Yeah, and we down South.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe we got fante at the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Suprema Role call Suprema So so, Suprema role called.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Fantee. I hope y'all miss me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>feeling good. Yeah, but you feeling bitchy?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, my name is Sugar. Atlanta's lit. We're

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<v Speaker 4>doing roll calls back to the ship.

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<v Speaker 5>Supreme It's like, yeah and we're back.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the Jackson ladies are here. Yeah, all ready for that.

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<v Speaker 3>No supreme pick it up, Suprema Supremeo.

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<v Speaker 4>Roll call.

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<v Speaker 7>My name is Keisha.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah I don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I had to say it.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, my mama's Supremo roll.

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<v Speaker 7>Supremo roll call.

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<v Speaker 10>Ain't no roll call, y'all, just calling out my side

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<v Speaker 10>back to the ship. Yeah, Supprivo roll call, Supremo Supremo, roll.

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<v Speaker 3>Call, Supremo Supremeo, roll call, Supremo Supremo roll call.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, first time in three d yo. Know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. We were.

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<v Speaker 2>We were ladies and gentlemen. We were very nervous. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you should have seen us. It was like not even

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<v Speaker 2>the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Day of school.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna see this on this Yes, oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>they're literally seeing us right now. Man, ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to an episode, just a regular episode of Quest

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<v Speaker 2>of Cyprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Fante. How did we get you out the house?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the first time you left North Carolina? Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even minus gigs or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we didn't play those gigs. We didn't not been

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<v Speaker 2>on the stage in two we did the first Little

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<v Speaker 2>Brother show we did. It was in May March, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was. I was outdoor gig we opened for Silver

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<v Speaker 2>net so but that was it.

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<v Speaker 11>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been nowhere. I've been in the crib. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been knocking on wood, you know, gratulations and sliding. No COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So congratulations.

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<v Speaker 4>I know how we got him at the house.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we get him out the house?

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<v Speaker 4>It's an all expense paid trips.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack, What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>He almost started crying the second she saw us, because

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<v Speaker 2>the way we hugged it was almost like I was

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like it's Bill Sherman's funeral or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Bill's not here, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Assume he's still at Sesame Streets, which is why.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, yeah, Fonte, almost we are here. I told him

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<v Speaker 11>we almost busted a titty yesterday in our first, our

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<v Speaker 11>first hug.

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<v Speaker 6>It felt so good. Wow, it was just so tight.

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<v Speaker 7>It was good.

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<v Speaker 11>Though I missed him. I missed Fonte. Ain't nothing like

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<v Speaker 11>a Fonte hug. You if you had one, you know

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<v Speaker 11>out there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really as good to see y'all.

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<v Speaker 11>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's if I really missed y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>I got my Fonte h.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, saying I got my f Yeah, I got my

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<v Speaker 2>publisher's clanhouse thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will say that we had Quest left Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely didn't want to go third year without at least

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<v Speaker 2>a Supreme roll call, so it was important that we

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<v Speaker 2>all do this in person, and I guess we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do this in grand fashion. So in case you're listening,

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<v Speaker 2>we took a pilgrimage to the Great State Old Georgia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be here doing many, many episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>you'll hear. Probably the next six or seven Quest Love

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme episodes will be based in Atlanta, Georgia. Wait, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in Georgia. Yeah, you're in Georgia right now. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't let me have very much, so I see

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<v Speaker 4>this is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, without further ado, I'll say that we're

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<v Speaker 2>really excited to have our special guests on the show. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>can we also just admit that we are now officially

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 6>Line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've been doing this. No, well, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize until the Steve Rifkin episode that we

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<v Speaker 2>were that we had a.

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<v Speaker 6>YouTube page with Jennifer Lewis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even wait, the Jennifer Lewis episode from people that

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<v Speaker 2>don't even listen to Yeah, we made it to the

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<v Speaker 2>talk on that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we're legendary on.

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<v Speaker 6>The top Jackson, but we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really on the talk.

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<v Speaker 2>That means that, you know, wow, okay, right now kids

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<v Speaker 2>know us well. I'll say that I've been begging and

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<v Speaker 2>hoping and wishing for this moment for the longest, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was when we did said Steve Rifkin episode in

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<v Speaker 2>which we've reminded that as legendary father, Jules had signed

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<v Speaker 2>our guest today to the label. I don't know, thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>just started racing my head because it's like I see

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<v Speaker 2>Spring Records almost as the precursor of like a deaf

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<v Speaker 2>Jam simply because our guest today is truly the mother,

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<v Speaker 2>She's the creator of rap. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean not to mention Jules Rifkins also signing

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<v Speaker 2>James Brown, which damn near provided the landscape for every

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<v Speaker 2>sample that we had on the label. Fabbecks King Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Third the official first rap release on the label. So

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<v Speaker 2>Spring Records is a super legendary. I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 2>until we did the Rifken episode, and I will say

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<v Speaker 2>our guest is definitely one of the first artists I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen have a a warning sticker. That was my

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<v Speaker 2>That was in my uncle my Dad's don't touch that

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<v Speaker 2>part of the record collection, which instantly meant I got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear it the first time.

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<v Speaker 7>What she said?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what's that? Yeah, that's that's that's this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know it's such a legendary disciography. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>name these like there's caught Up, uh still caught Up,

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<v Speaker 2>even better than the sequel. Uh, the aforementioned feeling bitchy,

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<v Speaker 2>her so good, my favorite Live and Uncensored. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I got first got sent to the principal's office for

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<v Speaker 2>singing uh fuck you in the third grade. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I got sit at the principal's office. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>back in third grade. Not to mention, Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk about her legendary play productions and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you know, young man, older woman, Uh, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>remind me about flor reen on on Martin. Also, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my yes, that just hit me right now as we spoke.

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<v Speaker 7>Got a check last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, come with it, not to be outdone, because epigenetics

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<v Speaker 2>is real. Yes, her legendary daughter is also joining us

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<v Speaker 2>right now. We've known about I've known about her since

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<v Speaker 2>the late eighties. But you know, she's done amazing work

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<v Speaker 2>with like a lot of our favorites with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>name him Do Whitney Brown, Houston.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to mention the legendary outcast.

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<v Speaker 2>She she has history, she has legacy, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>the daughter's a legacy project that she's been a part

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<v Speaker 2>of with Isaac Hayses, like this sort of the progeny

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<v Speaker 2>of of all the greats of.

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac Hayes's kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, of uh Al Goodman right, of the moments in

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Goodman Brown.

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<v Speaker 5>No, they don't say no, they don't. The kids don't

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<v Speaker 5>sing at all.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's not so you just.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's Isaac, Isaacay's daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>We had Ray Charles's daughter, she's in and out sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>we have any right, Betty Wrights, right, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 8>And we have.

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<v Speaker 9>Ruth Pointer's daughter who was also.

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<v Speaker 2>That his daughter, oh we found out were Bonnie.

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<v Speaker 5>And we have Anne Nesby's daughter Jimmy sounds of blackness.

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<v Speaker 2>But not to mention you've been hipping me to the

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<v Speaker 2>Your Yacht Rock Review project, which I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest Loft Supreme. Incomparable.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I feel like Don Cornelius because I say, be incomparable.

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<v Speaker 2>Millie Jackson, Keisha Jackson, the Quest left Supreme, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that this episode probably started forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes ago. We just started taping now it did, But

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<v Speaker 2>if we have started taping before then I'm certain that

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<v Speaker 2>we'll insert stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So how are you, ladies today?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm fine?

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>We were paying homage to you, you know.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh, that's why you were saying back to the ship

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<v Speaker 10>and filling by.

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<v Speaker 1>The Queen is coming.

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't ready and me either.

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<v Speaker 1>And fuck you, yes, thank you, Yeah, I got you.

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<v Speaker 10>You can't even spell it and you still saying it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely can you spell? Fuck you? Yes?

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<v Speaker 7>Spell it? Your spell it?

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<v Speaker 4>Give me a shot?

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<v Speaker 1>Good p h U c K.

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<v Speaker 7>You ain't finished?

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<v Speaker 2>Eh you dash you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh e you no? Just he is you? Just you?

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<v Speaker 1>Just me you c K dash you Yes that's how

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<v Speaker 1>you spell it? Yeah? No, it felt good to be

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<v Speaker 1>cursed out by Millie Jackson.

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<v Speaker 4>My life.

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<v Speaker 6>Just told me my mom was dirty.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, word all my life. That's what people say.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to meet your mom so she can cuss me.

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<v Speaker 1>Out right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first question of the show is can you two

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<v Speaker 2>share your first musical memory?

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<v Speaker 9>Mine is her?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, speak on, Yeah, my musical memory was her, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of hard to pin it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, not to interrupt you, but were you

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to go to shows when you were kids?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 10>She did background for the show. I beg your pardoner,

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<v Speaker 10>what I mean, d But.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I was there like nothing. Listen, we'll get into

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<v Speaker 5>that later if you want to. Yes, definitely, definitely went

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<v Speaker 5>to shows early on. Didn't really know what I was witnessing,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, And as I got older, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this ship ain't normal.

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<v Speaker 7>This is this what ain't normal?

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<v Speaker 5>This is this ship ain't normal? And it's really funny.

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<v Speaker 5>And she does that because she knows that I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I typically don't cuss. I cuss, but I typically don't

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<v Speaker 5>cuss in front of her. That makes it so even

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<v Speaker 5>though I've been exposed to it all my life, I

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<v Speaker 5>just it's a respect thing, and it's a but every

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<v Speaker 5>now and then, listen, it flies out, is what it

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<v Speaker 5>is I.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to want to take a pull? Are we cussing

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<v Speaker 1>for my mom? Is yet? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just you curse not I lost her out of

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<v Speaker 1>you allowed to do it.

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<v Speaker 11>The only thing you don't do is bitch like I

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<v Speaker 11>almost caught myself the other day.

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<v Speaker 6>No, we're not there.

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<v Speaker 5>We compliment, but you go like bitch, same same, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't do I don't do the B word, and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't do I don't throw F bombs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, gotcha? Got you? Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 8>Or not not even p H bomb?

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<v Speaker 10>Not not when you know I'm listening, correct right when

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<v Speaker 10>I remember you coming out to dressing room with the

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<v Speaker 10>background singers one time and didn't know I was in

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<v Speaker 10>the hallway and I thought Millie Jackson had died doing background.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, it goes down, so definitely goes down.

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<v Speaker 6>You.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, surely you know that the fruit doesn't fall

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<v Speaker 2>far from the tree.

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<v Speaker 7>So but hey, I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 10>And then she was saying thanks to the other background

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<v Speaker 10>singles because she was pissed off that I haven't even said.

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<v Speaker 7>She created new words that I had never heard.

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<v Speaker 10>Now she said, and I'm going, what what what? And

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<v Speaker 10>she came out and saw me and went yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Would probably react that way today though, if she saw

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<v Speaker 5>me like in my real you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, right. So she was your first musical memory.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, she was my first musical memory, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>have any specific memory like that comes to mind. It

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<v Speaker 5>was just always music in the house. It was always

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<v Speaker 5>the Blues. It was always b Be King, Bobby Bland

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<v Speaker 5>like so I remember going to those shows because she

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<v Speaker 5>was on the shows a lot with BB and Bobby.

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<v Speaker 9>Then it got into z I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't know why, Easy Hill, Denise lesaal like those.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know what really was it? You didn't like we

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<v Speaker 1>were with.

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<v Speaker 10>The same agency, you know, so I kept getting stuck

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<v Speaker 10>in there.

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<v Speaker 5>So they kept putting her with Blues or a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit more because they didn't know.

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<v Speaker 9>They just didn't know where to put her.

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<v Speaker 5>So my Richard Prior was still alive, did a show

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<v Speaker 5>that would have been doped.

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<v Speaker 7>I did that what us once?

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<v Speaker 1>How was it.

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<v Speaker 6>Now?

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<v Speaker 7>What I thought it would be?

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<v Speaker 1>Was his audience shocked?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh no, he was what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 10>He met me on the elevator and looked at me

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<v Speaker 10>like I was Satan number one.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, I just met your mother, he said.

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<v Speaker 6>He intimidated, He was intimidated.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I did not want to work with him.

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<v Speaker 7>No more.

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<v Speaker 5>Irony of it is that, you know, I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>back then it was the misogyny as well.

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<v Speaker 9>Like you know, it's for me to speak like that,

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<v Speaker 9>but his mother was.

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<v Speaker 10>At his show and I met his mother and she

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<v Speaker 10>was nice and sweet and.

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<v Speaker 6>She had the brothel, right, so like she been.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, you know, she was cool to me, but

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<v Speaker 9>he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 6>You was her people? Probably she probably was like that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm fucking with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously, you know, I think in the case of

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<v Speaker 2>being good for the goose and good for the game,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like men are definitely territorial. And because even if

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<v Speaker 2>you remember when WAP came out, Snoop had like.

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<v Speaker 1>Did his first almost a lady shouldn't be saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yo, didn't you make it? D Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I miss the memo? Well, since you're speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>that time period, I always wanted to know, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever had any interaction whatsoever with Betty Davis?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Betty Davis the actress No no, no, no, no, not

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<v Speaker 2>a singer, uh, the ex wife of Miles Davis, who

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted, she too wanted to push the envelope in

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<v Speaker 2>like the NAACP kept I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be.

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<v Speaker 10>I met Miles and he was more like the other one.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>They who were the So were there any guys in

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<v Speaker 2>the industry that like really were respectful and like really

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<v Speaker 2>the case?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Who are the people that really was in your corner?

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<v Speaker 7>Joe Simon?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, yeah, he was one of the owners actually of

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<v Speaker 10>Springs Records, and he was cool back back then. Yep,

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<v Speaker 10>fat back band. But we I think I only worked

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<v Speaker 10>with them maybe once, but Joe Simon and I work

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<v Speaker 10>together quite often.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, our audience they'll know Joe Simon from Drowning to

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<v Speaker 2>See Your Love, they'll know that sample.

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<v Speaker 7>But he died about a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 10>A year, Yeah he did, and he had I sent

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<v Speaker 10>him preaching that. Yeah, he gave he gave it up

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<v Speaker 10>and went preaching. I used to laugh about that.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, did I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>But for you before you got your deal? Like I

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I guess your injury into this was writing poetry, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really really, So tell me about your being, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the moment where you were like, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a god given talent and I want to express this.

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<v Speaker 10>I owe my entire career and cussing and everything else

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<v Speaker 10>to a very nice gentleman who I I never heard

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<v Speaker 10>curse in my life, Billy Nichols.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, who was he?

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<v Speaker 11>Like?

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<v Speaker 10>Billy Billy Nichols. He had a band and a group

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<v Speaker 10>came out afterwards. I'm trying to remember the name of

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<v Speaker 10>his band. But he, you know, took me to Spring.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, what year is this?

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<v Speaker 7>Nineteen seventy one?

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<v Speaker 10>In fact, though I did one song prior to that

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<v Speaker 10>with MGM, a little bit of Something's worth more than

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<v Speaker 10>a whole lot or nothing, none, And then it took

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<v Speaker 10>me two years to learn how to cuss, and I

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<v Speaker 10>went to Spring because MGM didn't didn't nothing, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 10>But how.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you learn? You said two years to learn how

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<v Speaker 6>to cuss?

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<v Speaker 7>I already knew.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you? When did you feel safe?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the thing is that, even though we're joking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very real because you know, as I mentioned, when

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<v Speaker 2>Betty Davis tried to do it, it was to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where she couldn't do shows no more because they

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<v Speaker 2>would actually have like bomb threats and literally like she

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<v Speaker 2>was a threat to people. So to be so unrestricted

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<v Speaker 2>like what was the for you? What was the turning

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<v Speaker 2>point of.

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<v Speaker 10>All they had to do was see my live show

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<v Speaker 10>and say sign her because I was always cussing at.

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<v Speaker 7>The live show.

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<v Speaker 1>And club promoters and they were fine with that.

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<v Speaker 10>Or oh yeah, they say adults only. Okay, okay, So

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<v Speaker 10>some people was upset when they came to see my show.

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<v Speaker 10>So I had to really cuss them out because since

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<v Speaker 10>it said adults only, I guess they thought I was

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<v Speaker 10>supposed to be getting undressed adults only. That's for the strippers.

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<v Speaker 10>You see nothing here and get cussed out. If you

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<v Speaker 10>asked to see something of legs, Yeah, I gave him

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<v Speaker 10>leg Now. I had always had nice legs. No ass,

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<v Speaker 10>but nice legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, ladies are good, you're doing well. You're doing well

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<v Speaker 1>for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>So when in the studio, at least when you are

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<v Speaker 2>doing your legendary raps. When we say legendary raps, you

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<v Speaker 2>know there's this start streaming.

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<v Speaker 10>Sang the song, shut the hell up and turn the

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<v Speaker 10>mic on.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, so you would just do it live with the

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<v Speaker 1>band right there.

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<v Speaker 10>And yeah, whatever comes up came out. I mean it

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<v Speaker 10>was in my head. It always related to whatever the

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<v Speaker 10>song was.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, well, I just meant in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're structuring the song, is it you see the.

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<v Speaker 10>Terrible thing about being in love with a married man?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me go in that's the first line.

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<v Speaker 8>Wait for you to keep going.

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<v Speaker 10>But I'm saying, you know, I do unfinished singing. If

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<v Speaker 10>loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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<v Speaker 7>So now you see the terrible.

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<v Speaker 10>Thing about being in love with a married man, the

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<v Speaker 10>fact that you can't see him when you really want to.

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<v Speaker 10>And on stage, you know, you see the terrible thing

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<v Speaker 10>about being in love with a married man. You gotta

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<v Speaker 10>get fucked after he sucked his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>So two versions, Yes, that's the show.

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<v Speaker 10>Fun.

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<v Speaker 6>You know it was a life God damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you just have you were You were nominated for

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<v Speaker 2>Grammy for that version of loving you is wrong?

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<v Speaker 7>Why do you want to remind me?

0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.439
<v Speaker 10>Why do you I didn't even want to be in

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<v Speaker 10>the mic to say this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving you your flowers. I'm giving you your flowers.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's get in tall.

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<v Speaker 1>The story that let's talk about.

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<v Speaker 10>Don't know the story, then nominate me for the Grammy.

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<v Speaker 10>They gave it to Aretha Franklin for a fucking song

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<v Speaker 10>that was two years old?

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<v Speaker 8>What was this?

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't nothing like the real thing one. I think that you.

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<v Speaker 8>Two years old.

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<v Speaker 7>It shouldn't have even been nominated.

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<v Speaker 6>It shouldn't have been. It shouldn't have it.

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<v Speaker 9>Was it Clive, No, it wasn't Clive. It was pre Clive.

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<v Speaker 8>Because it was I don't know who it was, but

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<v Speaker 8>they got.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's funny because there's a video on YouTube with

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<v Speaker 5>the and David Bowie is introducing the award and he's

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<v Speaker 5>high as hell, like he was like, hello, he's high

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<v Speaker 5>and swayed Jill Coole as hell and he's like, the

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<v Speaker 5>nominees for Best R and B Singer Female is and

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<v Speaker 5>it was like it was Mom, it was I think

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<v Speaker 5>it was Thelma Houston. I forget who the others were.

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<v Speaker 5>And then it was Aretha Franklin. And so you see

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<v Speaker 5>as they're announcing the names, you know, everybody's just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of poised, and she's got on this white outfit, white hat,

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<v Speaker 5>and she's sitting there like, I mean, she knew that

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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't gonna go to her because they slipped Aretha

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<v Speaker 5>in the category at the last minute and she wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>Her song wasn't even qualified because she had put out

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<v Speaker 5>a record in two years.

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<v Speaker 9>Wow, So everybody knew.

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<v Speaker 5>All the other ladies knew what was going down, so

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<v Speaker 5>when it came time.

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<v Speaker 11>But how does that affect your relationship with Aretha? Because

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<v Speaker 11>technically it wasn't her fault. That's her people like putting

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<v Speaker 11>it in, you know, placing her in the right place.

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<v Speaker 10>I have no problem with Aretha except for the fact

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<v Speaker 10>that I was also booked by the same agency and

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<v Speaker 10>I wouldn't let up the hallway one day.

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<v Speaker 7>She was there.

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<v Speaker 6>What does that you wouldn't let her?

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<v Speaker 10>She she was coming up the hallway and I stepped

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<v Speaker 10>in front of and she looked at me like and

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:11.119
<v Speaker 10>stepped over. And I stepped over again, and I said hello, Lordretha,

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 10>and she says hi. I said, that's all. I just

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 10>come up here every day after I get off from

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 10>work and I see you, and you won't speak. So

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 10>I was determined that you was gonna say hello to

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<v Speaker 10>me today. You can go on back to fucking business.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just be life.

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<v Speaker 7>Boom.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Energy.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I still had my day gig.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're still working. You were still working like a

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<v Speaker 2>regular job. What were you doing? What was your day job?

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<v Speaker 9>I was working in the garment district, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In New York City.

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<v Speaker 10>In New York City, yes, doing what Yes, I was,

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<v Speaker 10>And I work from nine to five and get up

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<v Speaker 10>for working, go up to Queen's Booking Agency to see

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<v Speaker 10>my agent.

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<v Speaker 7>Every day, who also booked Aretha.

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<v Speaker 10>In fact, they damn near booked everybody black, but the

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<v Speaker 10>top of.

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<v Speaker 7>The list was.

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<v Speaker 10>Sammy Davis Junior, Dinah Washington, and when Dinah died, they stuck.

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<v Speaker 7>Aretha in there. Yeah, but it was.

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<v Speaker 10>Sammy Davis Junior, Dinah Washington and the jazz artist what's

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<v Speaker 10>her name?

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<v Speaker 7>I can't think of a name.

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<v Speaker 11>It's all right, I'm curious. I'm like, were you priority

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 11>in this list?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Hell no.

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<v Speaker 5>That's where the Aretha problem comes in because.

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 6>So it's so many Aretha issues because they had.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they were, she was on their roster, and so

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<v Speaker 5>she got the gigs and she was pushed down.

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<v Speaker 7>The thing up.

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<v Speaker 10>The reason I ended up at Queen's Booking Agency is

0:25:55.400 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 10>Henry Nash was the tour manager for a show I

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 10>did prior to him going to Queen Booking Agency. He

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 10>was on tour with Elsie Cook Sam Cooks. Yeah, and

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 10>we toured for two years prior to him going to

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 10>Queen Booking agency and booking me.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>In fact, I didn't even have a record when I

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 10>was out there.

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>And we've seen what else he was that gospel? Was

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<v Speaker 1>that primarily gospel?

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 7>Hell to the now gospel?

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>What was he?

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 11>So?

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>What was he wasn't a gospel singer?

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh okay, no, he just never had a hit because

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<v Speaker 10>of his brother. His brother just took away all his stardom. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>but actually he he had one I think he maybe

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 10>had one album, but he had.

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<v Speaker 7>To do blues.

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<v Speaker 2>So with you, when you were talking about them putting

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 2>you in the blues category and olymping you with blues artists,

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>where did you want to be?

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you feel like you were more soul R and B?

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Where did you want to be?

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<v Speaker 8>I was?

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 9>I talked a lot.

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 10>I talked too much, so I was like the female

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 10>Isaac Hayes.

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<v Speaker 1>Ikes wrapping up? How did those collaborations come about.

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<v Speaker 7>Me and Isaac?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, we both ended up with the same record company

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 10>and they wanted me to do something with a man.

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 10>I said, well, you got Isaac's cross.

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's right. Isaac did sign the Polydor and yes, seventies.

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 7>I was with Spring who was distributed?

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<v Speaker 1>What was Jules Rifkin, Like, Jules Rifkin was everywhere.

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<v Speaker 10>No, No, Jules Rifkin was there because he was Roy

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 10>Rifkins's brother. Roy Rifkin was the president, Julie was the

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 10>vice president.

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.360
<v Speaker 7>But who actually took.

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 10>Care of all of the music and had the ear

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 10>was Bill Spatowski.

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 6>Wow, I didn't remember his name from Steve.

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:37.360
<v Speaker 7>They all did, now, Okay.

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And this is the thing.

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Whenever we have either an act or an executive that

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>was especially active in the sixties and seventies, you know,

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the question I always asked him is I know that

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>labels were mafia run.

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 10>I don't think the Rifkins was in that.

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>No, No, no, they weren't. I know.

0:28:56.200 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, how do you avoid running into them?

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the and that's the thing that amazed me about

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Jules Rifkins, the fact that you know, in the days

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>of marsh Levy and all of you know, the the

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>mafia run labels and whatnot, like coal do was German? Well, yeah,

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm saying, Like this is the beginning of

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the major labels establishing and taking out the smaller labels.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>How did you avoid because usually with.

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 2>From what I know is that if you have some

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of success or nariety, then they're going to take

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>you or Jackie or your manager winds up dead in

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>the alleyway somewhere.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 10>I didn't have one of those. They would be give

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 10>yourself the prize.

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>So you've managed yourself pretty much.

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 10>Who never had? How does that happen? You keep your

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 10>day job.

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>So you never want This is not the first time

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I've heard this, because.

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 10>So you can tell somebody to go fund yourself. I

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 10>got a job paid with without you.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 6>Hey, but how do you do the business? You still

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 6>got to do the business representing yourself, like because.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 7>You majored in business.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 6>Let's talk about it. I see we didn't get to see. Okay,

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 6>I need to know.

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>This is interesting to me because I'm just finding out

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>makes so much sense that Bill Withers didn't even feel

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>safe in leaving his airport job until adjustments came out.

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 1>So that means still Bill, just as I am, he

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>was working, he was.

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 2>He was he was an airplane and the airplane wow wow.

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 4>So picture of him.

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>With us, yes, so that the cover of the album

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the last thing he's actually on his lunch break with

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>his actual yeah, like I thought they manufactured that thing, like,

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>oh you know every day got Bill Withers.

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>No, he was like, this is my lunch break. Take

0:30:58.040 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the photo.

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<v Speaker 2>So for you working, that was the way of keeping

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>your autonomy, that was a way of all.

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 10>Yes, I worked down in the garment district and I

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:10.239
<v Speaker 10>got my all of my uniforms for twenty off of

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 10>the regular price. Not no, no, we don't deal with.

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 6>That wholesale price. Wholesale you got twenty wholesale sell.

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 9>Yes, that's where all your stage clothes came from.

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you never said that explained?

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 6>So what you never said what your job was in

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 6>the garment district? What was the gig?

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 10>I was assistant supervisor of shipping far Kimberly Nitwell.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 7>Shipping.

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 6>Yes, power in that.

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, are you about to go get a job right

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>now in the garment district shipping.

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm just thinking about how she used that power.

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>There's no shame in that. You know. I've always had

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen jobs and now I got seven. So yeah, and.

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 10>I knew since I was in the garment district, I

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 10>know where to go and get all the Ryan Stones

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 10>and his stuff to put on my Kimberly.

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<v Speaker 6>Knit Well ooh, and they liked that you woreter shit to.

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 10>Know, they did not like they kept and they didn't

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 10>know anything about any of that. The point is when

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 10>I hit the stage, I looked like I was one

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 10>of them people that was making a whole lot of

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 10>money perception because I had my twenty percent off wholesale hotel,

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 10>lots and lots of rhyme stones and beads that I

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 10>sold on myself.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Keisha, when did you know that? You said, you know

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.479
<v Speaker 2>you were a kid us go around music. It's you know,

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just normal. When did you know that it wasn't normal?

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 2>When did you know that?

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Your mom was like, holy shit, my mom is like

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a start.

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 7>She didn't know it to I sent her to college.

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 5>Well, so I got a I kind of started to

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 5>feel it. We moved from Brooklyn to Tack.

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Jase, Where were you? Where were you born? And where

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>were you born?

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 10>I was born in Thompson, Georgia, one hundred twenty nine

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 10>miles north.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Of here of Atlanta, Georgia, Okay.

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 9>And I was born in Brooklyn, King's County Hospital.

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>You're ruling King's County, Jordan, Okay, So Jordan.

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 5>She moved on her own basically from Georgia to New

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 5>York wow, and.

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 10>That to Newark were up north. People in Georgia didn't

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 10>know no better, they including me.

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 7>New York.

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 10>She's gone to New York walk took two years before

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 10>I decided to go to the Apollo Theater and had

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 10>to go through the Holland Tunnel.

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 7>Now much what you do?

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, what is what?

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep it a buck with you.

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 7>I haven't been in New Yorker.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 9>She had no idea.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna keep it a buck with you. I

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>still I'm sorry New Jersey. And while I'm at it,

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm also sorry New Zealand. Like I just sort of

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>considered y'all New York like like I consider New Zealand

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Australia behind everyone's back and they get mad at that.

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, right, and New Jerseyans and whatnot.

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.439
<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's better to look at New York

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and live in New Jersey than to actually.

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 10>Be Okay, So everybody that was recording and working in

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 10>New York telling people they lived in New York actually

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 10>live across to George Washington Bridge and t Neck and Inglewood.

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 6>They still do that.

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna tell you the real reason why, because

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 2>you got to keep your family based on where I

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 2>live right now, I ain't trying to put people out there,

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 2>but I definitely know that my apartment is side Chick Central.

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 6>That's a nice Yeah, that's a Sidechick building.

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just saying I see a lot of Lamborghinis

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and you know whatever, and that's where I can't mention that.

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I will say, yeah, I will say that most people

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:58.439
<v Speaker 2>you are in New York.

0:34:58.719 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I live in Manhattan.

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.879
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, okay, okay, and we'll see you.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll see a lot of sports figures in my building,

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>like they live here.

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And then I realized, ah, okay, but you midtown, right, No,

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't live I'm.

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 8>Trying to keep it low.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 7>What's what one question?

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 10>When you leave Jersey to go to New York, do

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 10>you go through the Lincoln Tunnel, the Holland Tunnel or

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 10>the George Washington Bridge Holland Tunnel?

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 7>Oh you what wasn't mean?

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 6>What was it?

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 7>Downtown New York.

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I live George Washington Bridge.

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>You at the time, No, I don't live near George

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>in two minutes away, you know me?

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 7>Okay, so you go cross the George Washington bridge.

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 10>Ain't nobody to go go all the way downtown to

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 10>go through the Lincoln Tomas.

0:35:58.800 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I live downtown, But.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 10>You're gonna expose all the people like me and Theleys

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 10>and everybody else that claimed they were in New York.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 6>The famously Jersey I.

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:22.360
<v Speaker 5>Feel Raging and Brown Chuck Jackson, they were all neighbors.

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.760
<v Speaker 6>And so when you moved to Jersey as a kid.

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.760
<v Speaker 5>So when I moved, right, I moved from we moved

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 5>from Brooklyn to Teck and I was six, and so

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 5>at that point I knew, okay, we're moving.

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 9>On up, Like I knew something was up. But did

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 9>you know? You just you just go like but.

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 6>You was going to the ship. Now you weren't going

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 6>to the shows by that time. You didn't know what

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 6>you were doing.

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 9>No, I didn't know.

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 5>I was just it and I wasn't paying attention to

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 5>the shows. I'm in the back, probably playing with somebody

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 5>else's kids. Can't wait till the show was over, you know.

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 5>And then so but it was when I went to.

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 10>She did not see me at the Apollo, which Apollo,

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 10>which Apollo shows something you can feel Apollo where you're

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 10>going around the feeling. No about the other apollos when

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 10>you were allowed to come to the show but not

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 10>to go out in the audience.

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 5>Okay, because I used to sell the roses with the

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 5>lights in it.

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 8>So that's what I was.

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 9>And pictures what.

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<v Speaker 7>You're talking about.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.240
<v Speaker 6>She majored in business.

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 7>But this was before I had nothing to do with

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 7>She had nothing to do.

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 5>I was just like, that was my way of kind

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 5>of hustled, my way to get on to get on

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 5>the road. So I stayed in the lobbies during the

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 5>show selling the light the lighted roses. And then they

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 5>always wanted to buy from Millie's daughter. Okay, we had

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 5>several people, but no, I told him because I wanted

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 5>the money, you know. I was like, because my mother's

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 5>getting ready to come up. That's your yes, ma'am, how

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 5>many broses do you want?

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 5>So that's what I would do to just kind of

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 5>cassette types pictures and.

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>So was it was it just y'all was like, well,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 2>where was your dad? Was he in the picture of

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 2>this time?

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 1>You were.

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 10>Again no, no, he did not say no.

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>So it was so it was y'all two and you're

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.359
<v Speaker 2>working in the garment district and you had you were

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>were you born by this time?

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Was it was this solid.

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 6>Time when you were having your nine and five en

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 6>garment District?

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 9>No, that was big before me.

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was before you. Okay, No, because I was

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:38.879
<v Speaker 2>trying to see, like were you taking care of the kid?

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Working and doing I.

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Was like, man, okay, got you. What I do want

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 2>to know is in your day job? Did they know

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 2>you were legendary Millie Jackson?

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 7>No?

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow, how I.

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 8>Wasn't that I was going to say.

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 10>At that time, I stayed there the Sephony one, okay,

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 10>and I had had a little bit something wasn't lord

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 10>then a whole lot of nothing now then that was

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 10>my first song clean, not a curse word in it.

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 10>Then in seventy one, Joe Simon putting them a child

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 10>of God is hard to believe that it's called a

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 10>child of God, and in parenthesis it said it's hard

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 10>to believe. And Joe Simon was promoting this song on

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 10>the album and they were telling him off and he

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 10>had to go crazy. The DJs was saying mad at

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 10>him because they thought they were they was gospel station,

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 10>a child of God.

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 1>And when the.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.839
<v Speaker 10>Record first came out, you know, but they after they

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 10>finally got it. Uh, and they heard you see the

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 10>terrible thing about going with a married man, and yes,

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 10>so they thought the gospel turned yes, And Joe Simon

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:11.359
<v Speaker 10>is saying, is.

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 8>It my fault you didn't read the title of the

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.359
<v Speaker 8>song or listen to the song before.

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 7>It's hard to.

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 10>Believe it's in parenthesis under a child of God.

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that's That's still one of my favorite songs though.

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 10>Just because of this, I know some people who go

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 10>to church on Sunday them that same people or watching

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 10>Lyunchon on Monday talk about justice and being free.

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 9>But they'll watching Lynchon so easily. Yes, it's hard.

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:52.760
<v Speaker 7>Hard to believe their child love God. Yeah.

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:56.760
<v Speaker 8>Wow mm hmmm, serious business.

0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 9>Some people call these people children of God. M So

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 9>glad we sitting.

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 6>Here with you.

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>This is amazing. So okay, So you mentioned y'all didn't

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>have to get quiet, didn't.

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>No, No, you were seeing we take folks to church

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and talk.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>We listened. I was just doing a little You went.

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>To Jive Records in eighty five. Wild Hot I'm Restricted

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>was in nineteen eighty five or eighty six.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 10>I put them out of business, cussed time to sign

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 10>a new contract and I asked for so much money,

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.280
<v Speaker 10>Spring couldn't pay it and they closed the dose.

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, and then Barry signs you to jive. Is that

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>how you know the beer is different in the UK.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, That's why I didn't want to ask.

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>When did Battery Studios get built? Because every artist that

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 2>was on Job Royden in London would have to fly

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.479
<v Speaker 2>to London record once.

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and I start.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 7>Then I started cussing.

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Well wait, okay, so what was the decision.

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying your comeback, but Hot Wild, Unrestricted Crazy

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Love wasn't you know?

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>That?

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Was?

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 2>That was your your your mainstream offering without the spice?

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>First of all, whose suggestion was that?

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And how long was it before you decided to go

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>back to?

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Actually?

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:30.479
<v Speaker 10>Hot Wild Unrestricted Crazy Love was.

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 7>Done by.

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 10>U two writers that they already had signed. They was

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.439
<v Speaker 10>staff writers.

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I see, and you recorded that album in the UK.

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:52.720
<v Speaker 9>Not the whole album, no, just a couple of songs.

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>What was that experience like recording over there?

0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 10>They were that's where the company was that for two

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 10>days and back.

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Home experience okay? Everyone else was like, you know.

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 10>I was the producer, so after that, so wow, I

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:16.760
<v Speaker 10>don't go into the studio till I know what I'm.

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 7>Getting ready to do.

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I see it, And most.

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 10>Of the songs was written by me, so yo, I

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 10>knew what I was gonna do.

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Wait, you were right live in the studio. No, it

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>was never demoed ahead of time or when I.

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 7>Was the producer.

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 10>I would do the track off the top of my

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 10>head because I already got the words.

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 7>I already wrote the.

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:43.720
<v Speaker 10>Song, and then I'd go back and do it again,

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 10>the the vocals again because I said a word that

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 10>kind of off.

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 7>I think I should do that over. But you do

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 7>that when you produce it.

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>When you say do the track? Would you like dictate?

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you actually play instruments?

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.399
<v Speaker 1>Would you dictate the ideas to other musicians? How would

0:43:59.400 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>you do it?

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 7>Ain't doing no instruments.

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 10>I played keyboards to write the song, and then I

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:07.879
<v Speaker 10>ain't playing on it no more.

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 1>This is the song.

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 10>I played the keyboards on childiguard and then he come

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 10>see what I'm doing, and he do what I'm doing

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 10>and do it better than me, because I can write

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 10>fok songs while I'm playing the keyboards on one song.

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I have a question I want you to talk about.

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Uh, there's a song of yours called give it Up

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and with your advocated.

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 7>Going to hell.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.759
<v Speaker 6>Wait a minute, that's not a song title. Youre going

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 6>to hell.

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I was just you're not supposed to use the Lord's

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:42.319
<v Speaker 2>name in vain.

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 7>Ain't that something?

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Now?

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 5>I had to say that to her before because I

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 5>she heard me say goddamn it.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 9>She was like, don't come. I was like, you made

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 9>a whole record.

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 7>Give it up. God damn, give it up right now,

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 7>give it up.

0:44:55.680 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>You look, I'm just recapitulating. No, But I mean at

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the time it was it was I'm a little pushing

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 2>because people weren't thinking about rights for women or rights

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:14.399
<v Speaker 2>for the LGBTQ, like.

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>They weren't even identified back then.

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 2>But what made you like was that your demographics like

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>who who was in seventy nine? Like I really became

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 2>familiar with you with my aunt. My aunt used to

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>always play live and I'm restricted. So that was when

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I realized, like, oh, my dad got Millie Jackson records

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and then I go back and see them at the bottom

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:36.720
<v Speaker 2>of the pile or whatever.

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>But who was coming to the shows?

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Because even at those shows, the audience is almost louder

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>than you are, so it's it's like, who was your

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 2>audience at that time?

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 9>Let me say something.

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I remember, I wasn't into the audience. I distinctly remember.

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 5>I distinctly remember her being on phone multiple times talking

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 5>to potential promoters, people booking shows, and she would say,

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 5>when is it the twenty ninth, that's it, that's the

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 5>last week of the month. The people that come to

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 5>my shows don't have no money. So it was welfare recipients,

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 5>it was people that she knew.

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:14.359
<v Speaker 9>They knew when that knew.

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 8>She did not play.

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 9>She did not play around with it.

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 5>And there what times that she would say, I'm not

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 5>doing the gig and it didn't matter what money they

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 5>were offering. She was like, it don't matter because I

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 5>ain't no people gonna be there. And she knew that when.

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 7>It came to the week of the twenty third, and.

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 5>She knew that, I'm not gonna go because I'm not

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 5>gonna get my money at the end of the night,

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 5>because you're gonna come to me crying about how the

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 5>people didn't show, people didn't pay.

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 8>So she never I remember that.

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I got that.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 6>That's what she did for.

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I never thought of that.

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I never knew that one could be that strategic with

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 2>their career time.

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm like thirty years right.

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 10>I told you I'm the manager.

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>How did you balance all that? How did you balance

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:00.760
<v Speaker 2>between the management in the music?

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 1>How did you? How did you balance it?

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 10>I always thought that managers was overpaid for doing something

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 10>that they had to tell you to do when you

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:16.240
<v Speaker 10>already know what you want to do. Why would you

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 10>you know, why do I need you to tell me

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 10>to do this gig?

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 7>I know if I want to do this gig or not.

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 5>And they have to bring it to her to finalize it.

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 5>Enjoys So she's like, if you got to bring it

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 5>to me to say yes, and I may as well

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 5>just do it.

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 11>But we never expounded on your background when it came

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 11>to business though, because you said you went to college,

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 11>you made it a bit, you.

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 8>Didn't go tout.

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 9>Wait, you can't go to college.

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 6>So wait. I thought you said you made it, you

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:41.879
<v Speaker 6>made it in business, but not I.

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:46.240
<v Speaker 9>Did in night school, okay, so what.

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 6>So tell me about that then? So you went to

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 6>night school to finish your.

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 10>I got out of that, got out of high school, yeah,

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 10>because my biology teacher sucked.

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>And they were horrible.

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:07.840
<v Speaker 9>She was.

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:14.880
<v Speaker 10>She said to me one day we were getting You know,

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 10>you do A and B classes the first year you

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 10>do this and then you go to B of the

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 10>same class, and I would be was a real teacher

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 10>in biology, and I knew I was gonna fail B.

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 10>And I've been on the un the road and this

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 10>old bitch and A would stand up in there and

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 10>talk all day long. And one day I just got

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 10>pissed and I stood up. I had held my hand

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:47.720
<v Speaker 10>up and she would not acknowledge my hand for fifteen minutes,

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 10>and finally I stood up and I informed her. I said, look,

0:48:53.560 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 10>I have biology too. Next time, missus Samson, don't put okay, now,

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.759
<v Speaker 10>are you gonna tell me this bullshit about when you

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.720
<v Speaker 10>were in the army. I don't give a damn about

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 10>you being in the army people. I want to know biology.

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<v Speaker 10>So are you gonna answer my question. I've been trying

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<v Speaker 10>to ask you about biology or not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's right there now in this moment, and she.

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<v Speaker 10>Sent me to the principal. She sent me to the principal,

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<v Speaker 10>and mister Landorfi said, what did you get last semester?

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<v Speaker 10>And I told him I'm still on on a roll.

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<v Speaker 10>He says, well, you're not gonna fail the subject because

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<v Speaker 10>it was the last semester of the turn, you know.

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<v Speaker 10>And he said, what other subject would you like to take?

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<v Speaker 10>He goes, send me to somewhere else, though, I don't

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<v Speaker 10>have to go back to her class no more, cause

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<v Speaker 10>if she give me an for the last I'm all

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<v Speaker 10>ready had the past.

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<v Speaker 9>Shout out to mister Landelphi.

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<v Speaker 10>So yes, yes, I says, I don't need biology. I

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<v Speaker 10>don't need to know what's going on here and there

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<v Speaker 10>with a frog and a dog and a whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I want bookkeeping, all right, So there you're having, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's allful Part one, of course, Love Supreme with one

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<v Speaker 2>and only Millie Jackson and Keisha Jackson come back for

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<v Speaker 2>Part two, where Millie sings one of her latest songs

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<v Speaker 2>and Keisha talks about working with outcasts and they share

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible mother dar story that it has to be

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<v Speaker 2>heard to be believed.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, see y'all next week West. Love Supreme is

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