1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: As we find the headline on the terminal GOP hardliner's 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: stall military funding raising shutdown risk, and we add the 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: voice now of Michael McCall, the Congressman from Texas who 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Congressman, it's great to 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: have you with us on Bloomberg. Thanks for coming back 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: and now that we're getting back into the swing of 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: things here in Washington. Indeed, we'd like to ask you 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: about a few issues. But with regard to this latest 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: development here, did that make a government shutdown more likely? 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Well? As I understand that the rule has been postponed, 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: I think they're working out details with the Defense of 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: Proporations Bill, so I would not try to read too 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 2: much into that. I'm still hopeful that we will have 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: a rule vote this evening and move forward with the 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Defensive Corporations Bill, you know, possibly as early as tomorrow. 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: So I don't see that shutdown as imminent as maybe 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: you're indicating. You know, frankly, I'm not a big fan 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: of shutdown. I've never seen a shutdown work very well, 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: especially for my party. Republicans always send to lose when 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: the government shut down, So I think the American people 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: want us to govern and they want us to get 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: things done. I think the Speaker is trying to do that, 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: and it's, as you noted, very difficult under the circumstances. 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: But he's always been underestimated every time, and he seems 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: to be able to pull, you know, a rabbit out 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: of a hat, you know, in prior legislation that we've had. 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: So I still remain optimistic. 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: Comes on what we're talking about here is that hardline 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: House Republicans didn't even vote to allow defense spending to 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: be debated. This is in the House. In the Senate, 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: we still have Senator Tommy Turberville holding up more than 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: three hundred military nominations. What do you say to American 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: people who look at both the House and the Senate 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: and say, the Republican Party is potentially hurting the US preparedness, 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: military preparedness and it can cause national security concerns. 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: I share those concerns and I voice those on CNN, 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: say the UN in on Sunday. But you know, I 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: think it's important to put into context the Biden administration 39 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: for the first time used taxpayer dollars to fund this 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 2: abortions within the military. That's never been done on the 41 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: National Defense Authorization. In fact, we cured that in the 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: House with our NBA bill that will be conference with 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: the Senate. So my whole point was that I don't 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: think one senator blocking all these nominations is really the 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: more productive route. I think the best route is to 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: deal with this in the conference committee that we will 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: have House and Senate to ensure that taxpayer dollars not 48 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: being used for abortions in the military. I think holding 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: up these nominations. I've talked to a lot of you know, 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: brass at the Pentagon, and what I just worry about 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: is that it will impact our national security. There's a 52 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: debate about that, but I don't see how you can 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: have all these openings unfilled without having some impact on 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: the ability of the military to be ready. 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: We were actually joined around this time yesterday by Senator 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: Tommy Tubberville himself. He made the case to us that 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: this does not impact readiness, that the rank and file 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: will be just fine, and we have too many generals. Anyway, 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: you've called this paralyzing to the military. Congressman, what message 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: does it send to China? 61 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: Well, if we don't have top key positions in the Pentagon, fild. 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: I think it's a sign of weakness. I think it 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: projects weakness, and that's always very dangerous and invites aggression. 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 4: I know that Schumer. 65 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: Does have the ability to put these nominees forward, and 66 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: I would hope they can come to a consensus over there, 67 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: But just holding up these nominations ad infinotum, I think 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: it is dangerous. 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 4: It's well intentioned. I think he and I. 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: Both agree that being sentaer of Tuberville and I both 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: agree that taxpayer dollars should not be used for abortions 72 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: in the military. We fix that in the House. We're 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: going to conference with the Senate, and I feel very 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: confident that that will be not be a part of 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: the final package. But you know, it's all about the 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: method and how you want to achieve the same goal. 77 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: And I think holding up these nominees in key positions 78 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: that the Pentagon does not send a very good message when. 79 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: You look at when you look at China, we have 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 3: to ask you what you make of Huawei coming out 81 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: with this phone that looks like they use technology the 82 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: exact technology that they are export controls on China and 83 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: Chinese companies CSM I see and also Huawei both on 84 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: the entities list to make sure that China actually doesn't 85 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: have these capabilities yet a phone arrives. Do you think 86 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: the export controls that are on China right now are working. 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: They're not being enforced. Schmick has American component parts. This 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: seven nanimeter chip is a very advanced chip and it's 89 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: now in Huawei's five G smartphone. This is very disturbing 90 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: in a major violation of our export control laws. I 91 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: sent a letter today to Secretary of Romando, and I 92 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: have jurisdiction over BIS, which is a Bureau of Industry 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: and Security in charge of export control because this was 94 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: not enforced and now they've got this very advanced technology 95 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: seven nanimeter chip. 96 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 4: Yep. 97 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: You know, when you look at the hypersonic program that 98 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: was built on the back going of American technology, when 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: it comes to the seven. 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: Nanometer chip, and you look at things like AI and. 101 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: The future of warfare which will involve this kind of 102 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: semiconductor chip, that is what is most disturbing to me 103 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: is that now China they're they're very good. They don't 104 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: really invent things, they're very good at stealing our technology. 105 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: And this is another good example. And you know, the 106 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: timing amory. This was announced the day that secretary of 107 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: Romando left Beijing with a real slap in the face 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: that hey, now we got your technology, we got your 109 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: most advanced semiconductor chip. We got to stop doing this. 110 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: We've got to stop selling to China our most advanced 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: technology that they then turn that will turn and use 112 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: against us if God forbid, we have a conflict in 113 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: the Pacific. 114 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Well, so the Congressman, is your committee working up sanctions 115 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: on SMIC or should we be talking about a total severing, 116 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: a total cut off of our technological relationship with China 117 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: at this point. 118 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: No, we can't cut all trade, but I would argue 119 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: that with respect to certain sectors, Yeah, like the advanced 120 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 2: semiconductor chips, like AI, like quantum computing. This is something 121 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 2: I've talked to the Commerce Department about making it more 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: rather than companies specific, because China will change the name 123 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: of the companies. But if you make it sector specific, 124 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: to me, that's a better way to handle this. That way, 125 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: all exports regarding AI cannot be export to China, all 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: exports regarding quantum and advanced semi connector of chips, and that. 127 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: Way you deal with it. 128 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: In the very I think a blot broader blanket that 129 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 2: I think would apply. 130 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: And we're gonna have commerce with China. 131 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: They're a big market for the United States and we 132 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: buy a lot from them. But when it comes to 133 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: national security supply chain like semiconductors, like critical minerals, rare minerals, 134 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: and medical, we need to start pulling that supply chain out. 135 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: The reason I introduced the chips from Marrika Act and 136 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: got it passed was Secretary Pompeo came to me and 137 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: so we got to pull supply chain out of Taiwan. 138 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: Because TSMC controls ninety percent of the advanced semiconductor manufacturing 139 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 2: for the world. So imagine the scenario where China invades 140 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: Taiwan with a blockade and cutting the sea cable, then 141 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: they either own or break ninety percent of the world's 142 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: advanced semi connector chip manufacturing. 143 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: When you look at what happened this week, we saw 144 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: Kim Jong un make his way to Russia to meet 145 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: with President Putin. The individual who could probably put the 146 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: pressure on both those two leaders those dictators would be Shijingping. 147 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: Do you think it's wise the administration still seeks a 148 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: meeting with Shijingping to try to make sure at least 149 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: they're putting pressure on Beijing to then put more of 150 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: a pressure on both its neighbors in Russia and in 151 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: North Korea. 152 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: Look, I think it's always it's always good to have 153 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: meetings and have conversations, but you don't concede certain things 154 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: that I think, you know, we saw like a certain 155 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: export controls were pulled back prior to these meetings. 156 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: You don't. 157 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: You don't make concessions before just to have a meeting 158 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: in and of itself. You have to negotiate out of 159 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: strength and leverage, not out of weakness. And that's my 160 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: concern about, you know, the meetings that took place. I 161 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: don't think China's going to ever talk Kim John neum 162 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: Gwen because you know, Chairman ch is a direct ally 163 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: of Putin. 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: I mean, they made this unholy. 165 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: Alliance at the Beijing Olympics just weeks before the invasion 166 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: into Ukraine, and the idea that they're not joined at 167 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: the hip is absolutely false. I mean, this is an 168 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: alliance of China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. North Korea 169 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: is gonna start putting their stuff in. Iran's already putting 170 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: their drones into Ukraine. We're even seeing you know, mercy 171 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: areas from Cuba, you know, going into Russia and into 172 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: the Ukraine fight. So this is really playing out very 173 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: dramatically between these dictators and the rest of the free world, 174 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: and that's really what's at stake right now. 175 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: These are dangerous times and we're glad to have you 176 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: with us, mister Chairman Michael McCall. Thanks Jo, Congressman from 177 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: Texas who chairs the House Foreign at Fairs Committee. Don't 178 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: be a stranger. We'd like to stay in touch with 179 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: you on these issues.