1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Homebunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: I am very excited to bring to you today my 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: conversation with my fellow nerd Avenger. We have met and 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: just become incredibly fond of each other through the Mary 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Trump Show. If you guys watch that on YouTube. Dahlia 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Lithwick has written a new book that is entitled Lady Justice, Women, 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: the Law and the Battle to Save America. And in 9 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: this book, Dahlia lays out a history of women and 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: the law, going back to a time and are not 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: too distant history where women had no rights in this country. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: That's right, And I'm not just talking about abortion. I'm 13 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: also talking about financial independence. I'm also talking about workplace independence. 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm also talking about bodily autonomy. And what Dahlia talks 15 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: about and our interview gets into is also the correlations 16 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: that we need to be drawing between what is happening 17 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: right now on the streets of Iran being led by 18 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: women and pushing back against an oppressive regime that wants 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: to dictate how they look, where they go, what they wear, 20 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: and what is happening with the Christo fascist Republican movement 21 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: in the United States. We cannot sit here in the 22 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: US and clutch our pearls and look at Iran and say, oh, 23 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: those poor women solidarity and throw up at this and 24 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: think that what is happening, what has happened over the 25 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: last forty plus years in Iran, can't happen or isn't 26 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: happening in the United States right now. And I will 27 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: also talk about the upcoming Supreme Court docket and all 28 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: of the major cases that are on there, from affirmative 29 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: action to voting rights, and to more cases with regard 30 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: to bodily autonomy, and how one decision at a time, 31 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: this Supreme Court is set to disrupt, ruin crumble, destroy 32 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: our democracy and women's bodily autonomy and black people's ability 33 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: to you know, access the American dream. So, folks, when 34 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: we look at these other countries and we see them 35 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: pushing back in revolution against these regimes, understand that authoritarian 36 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: control doesn't always come in rolling down the street with 37 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: tanks and in military uniform. It doesn't always come with 38 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: the assassination right of said shah or said leader or dictator. No, 39 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: it also comes in the form of dictators that are 40 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: wearing black robes. It also comes in the form of 41 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: a Republican Party that decides that they no longer believe 42 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: in the constitution, they no longer believe in the rule 43 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: of law, and they no longer believe in the ability 44 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: of the people to decide how they want to live. 45 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: We are supposed to be a government that is for 46 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: and by the people of these United States. And what 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is telling us, and has been telling 48 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: us for the last several fucking decades and now has 49 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: a megaphone, is that fuck you and your laws, fuck 50 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: you and your civil liberties, fuck you and your bodily autonomy. Right, 51 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to put you back in your place. Women, 52 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: black people, queer people, disabled people, right, one decision at 53 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: a time. And I'm telling you right now, I ain't 54 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: going out like that, and I know many of you 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: that listen to wokaf aren't either. So pay attention, pay 56 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: attention to what we are seeing in Iran. Pay attention 57 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: to how women are leading the fight and the pushback 58 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: against authoritarianism. And I've been saying this, if folks, if 59 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: you've been listening to this show since twenty sixteen when 60 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: I launched it that things in America are going to 61 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: get bloodier before they get better. And I say that 62 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: not from a place of hyperbole, not from a place 63 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: of joy, but from a place of reality that I 64 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: need all of us to grasp on too, so that 65 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: we are not caught off guard and surprised, as apparently 66 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: everyone was in June when the Republican Party did exactly 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: what it was that they have been saying that they 68 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: would do for forty plus years, which was rolled back 69 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: Rovie Wade. When people show you who the fuck they are, 70 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: believe them. And it's time that the American people show 71 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: the christto fascist Republican movement who the fuck we are. 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with my friend Dahlia Lithwick. 73 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: Get a behind the scenes look at Comedy Central's The 74 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: Daily Show Beyond the Scenes, an original podcast from The 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Every week, host Roy Wood 76 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Junior goes deeper with the notable guests and experts from 77 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: the Emmy Award winning series. Together, they use comedy to 78 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: tackle current topics from gentrification to gun laws, and take 79 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: a closer look at how and why these topics matter. 80 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: Listen to Beyond the Scenes from the Daily Show with 81 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: Trevor Noah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever 82 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. New episodes every Tuesday, Folks. I 83 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: am very excited to welcome to wok F Daily my 84 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: fellow nerd Avenger Dahlia Lithwick, who is the author of 85 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: the new book Lady Justice, Women, The Law and the 86 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: Battle to Save America. Dahlia, I think that what is 87 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: really fascinating and the perfect timing of your book is 88 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: that it comes at a time when, for the first 89 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: time in American history, since women have actually actualized themselves 90 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: as full and complete citizens, that we are seeing an 91 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: roll back in rights and protections for women that we 92 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: have not seen since prior to I would say, nineteen 93 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: seventy four. What is also interesting about your book is 94 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: that it takes us through this history of women in law, 95 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: bringing us back to a not too distant future that 96 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: I think that I'm so grateful for you in bringing 97 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: it to the forefront the way that women have been treated. Right, 98 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: women who are who were going in front of the 99 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: court and needing to wear skirts, who are representatives in 100 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: our Senate and in the House of representatives needing and 101 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: being told too that they had to wear skirts on 102 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: the floor. This is but just forty some odd years 103 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: ago that we understand that women didn't have the right 104 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: to have a credit card without without the authority of 105 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: a husband or a father. That was in the nineteen 106 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: seventies in these United States. And I bring this up 107 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: because while we are watching our rights being rolled back 108 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: in this country, we're also watching at the same time 109 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: a historic women led revolution that is happening in Iran. 110 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: And we always love in America to point the finger 111 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: at the Middle East and countries and say, oh, look 112 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: at them, that could never be as morality police. That's crazy. 113 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: While they're being forced to wear he jobs, we're being 114 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: forced to give birth. So talk to us about how 115 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: your book is dropping at a time when women are 116 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: being pushed back into a class of citizenship that modern 117 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: day women have only ever read about. Yeah. I mean, 118 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: first of all, Danielle, thank you for having me on. 119 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: I've been actually really psyched to talk about you because 120 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: I feel like in our conversations you're one of the 121 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: only people who just relentlessly says like, if you choose 122 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: to forget the past, you don't know what's coming in 123 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: the future. And I think, like, if you don't have 124 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: that on a T shirt, you should, because I think 125 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: you have really been a clarion voice of and you 126 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: make this point in your piece that this week about iron. 127 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: My husband and I are obsessed with photos of Iranian 128 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: women from the seventies in their like bell bottoms and 129 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: their wedge heels and their T shirts because you can't 130 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: look at that and look at where we are today 131 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: and not understand this isn't like past is prologue. Is 132 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: past is exactly where we think we are irrevocably now 133 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: that we're going to forever and ever live in a 134 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: world of equality and rights and dignity. And then fast 135 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: forward a couple decades and you know, women are, as 136 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: you note, being killed for not wearing a head scarf 137 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: appropriately by the quote unquote morality police. And so I 138 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: think the refusal to not just look at what has 139 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: happened in the past, like you say, you know, ask 140 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: your grandmother if she had a credit card in her name, 141 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Ask her if her mother had a credit card in 142 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: her name. Ask if you know somebody raped their wife 143 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: that they knew, if that could be charged as rape. 144 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: It could not. And you know, I always say to people, 145 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, Ruth pader Ginsburg, We like to think she's 146 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: sort of sprung fully form out of the ether. Ruth 147 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: pader Ginsburgh had to hide her pregnancy or she would 148 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: have been fired. And that wasn't the nineteen twenties. And 149 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: so you're exactly right, it's recent past. And I think 150 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: that the two points that you're making that are both 151 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: really important is that to be a historic about any 152 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: of this is to fail to understand how much we 153 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: had to claw equality and equal protection and dignity out 154 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: of the kind of rock face of a constitution that 155 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: was blind to it. But the second point, and it's 156 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: just as important, is that to refuse to look around 157 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: the world and see what is happening in the name 158 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: of sort of religious zelotry and ethnonationalism and just rampant 159 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: religious misogyny, and to say that can't touch us because 160 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: we live on this island of you know, irrevocable forward 161 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: progress is just insane. And so I think both of 162 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: those points are descriptively really important. One, history is not 163 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: ancient in many many ways, it's coming back. But also 164 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: to think that oh, just because it happened in Iran. 165 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: That women don't wear bell bottoms anymore doesn't mean it 166 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: can happen here. Is it's just shortsighted to the point 167 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: of myopic and dangerous. You know. It's what I find 168 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: always so troubling, particularly in America, is our inability to 169 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: look at other countries and to consider our own futures 170 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: as being predicated by what we're seeing, right, And that 171 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: is why I wrote the piece about why American women 172 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: need to pay attention to what is happening in Iran, 173 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: because it's only forty some odd years. It's forty six years, 174 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: you know, forty I think it's like forty two years 175 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: since the Islamic Republic took over, right Iran, And in 176 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: that four decades, right, that they have seen a complete 177 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: and total reversal and how women are allowed to present 178 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: and show up in that country. And we have always 179 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: looked down, I believe, in America, at other nations and said, 180 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: look how backwards they are. Oh, the women in Saudi 181 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: Arabia just got the resentability to be able to drive. Well, 182 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: look like you're saying, talk to your own grandmothers, who 183 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: in there, your own grandmothers, Talk to your own mothers 184 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: about how old they were when they were able to 185 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: get a credit card. Right, that was in nineteen seventy four. Law, 186 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: I believe that was passed in the United States. And 187 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: so I want you to talk about why DABS. The 188 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: DABS decision in June is the canary in the coal mine. 189 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: It isn't. It isn't the end all be all. It 190 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: is actually the beginning of how America. And I believe 191 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: it won't take forty years, right. I believe that it 192 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: can take to tend or less than that for us 193 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: to get to a place pre nineteen seventy four. Yeah, 194 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, what's the cliche. I mean, 195 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: these things happen slowly and then quickly, and I think 196 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: that we are caught up in the slow build of 197 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: decades after casey of one form of attack on reproductive rights, 198 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: which was essentially, we're going to use this pretext of 199 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: caring about women and we want them to make good decisions. 200 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: And as long as the clinics, you know, have them 201 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: come back for two consults, and as long as they 202 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: have read these completely fact free warnings about the correlation 203 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: between suicidal ideation abortion, like, we just want them to 204 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: be safe and happy. And that was decades, right, those 205 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: trap laws. You know, we just have to have wider corridors, 206 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: and we have to have doctors with admitting privileges. And 207 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: then in a less than a year, right, we see 208 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: that when the opportunity comes to actually reverse row, we're 209 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: seeing like, no, actually, what we want is women to 210 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: be incubators. We don't actually care about them making good 211 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: decisions because we don't want them to make decisions at all. 212 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: And because I think we haven't processed that turn and 213 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: how quickly it happened, you still hear all this nonsense 214 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: from states that are like, no, we care about maternal health, 215 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: we care about fetal health. You know, thank you, Justice Barrett. 216 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: We're just going to force women to carry it to term, 217 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: which is much much more dangerous than terminating. But it's 218 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: okay because they're going to drop the babies off at 219 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: fire stations. And all of this fake solicitude for maternal 220 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: health has just I think crumbled away in the span 221 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: of the summer. Right, And so you are exactly right, 222 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: and I know you and I talk about this in 223 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: other contexts. We're now not talking about abortion. We're talking 224 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: about miscarriages. We're talking about fetal endangerment. We're talking about 225 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: putting medication abortion in the mail. We're talking about women 226 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: in Alabama who are stuck in jail who cannot get 227 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: out because the state has determined they will endanger their 228 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: children with drug use. Right, all of that just happened. 229 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, a lot of that has been 230 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: happening before, Dubs. It's just that it happened principally to 231 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: women of color and to poor women. All of that 232 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: is happening. And you know, as you said, there's no 233 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: talk of oh, we were lying when we said leave 234 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: it to the states. What we mean is federal abortion ban. Also, 235 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: we're now just openly hearing about going after contracept next. 236 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: You know, the whole checklist that Justice Thomas laid out 237 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: in his concurrence in jobs, you know, which is LGBTQ 238 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: rights and all other you know, determinants of what is 239 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: private conduct and family conduct. All of that is on 240 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: the table. And so to suggest that you know the 241 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: same people who not four years ago we're telling us 242 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: in whole Women's Health that really the only reason we 243 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: needed wide corridors to push a gurney through in a 244 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: clinic was so that women would be healthy and safe, 245 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: but that you know, what we really wanted was the 246 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: primacy of their health and their baby's health, and to 247 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: see that just scuppered. And now it's like we don't 248 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: care because we just want them to be incubators. And 249 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: if they die, they die. If they have to go 250 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: septic before we treat them, so be it. If they 251 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: have to, you know, have babies that are going to 252 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: live for a few moments, suffer terribly and die, so 253 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: be it. And so I think in some sense, this 254 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: isn't another one of those things where if you didn't 255 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: know this was coming, you weren't watching what was happening 256 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. To Brittany Poola, you know, if you didn't 257 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: see this coming, you weren't watching what's been happening. You know, 258 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: people like Dorothy Roberts have been writing about this for decades. 259 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: And you know, as I said, I think because this 260 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: was coming principally for black and brown women and poor women, 261 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: a lot of other people were shocked when Dubbs sort 262 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: of sprawled out for us that your very parenting decisions 263 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: are now going to be criminalized. 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You know, and you mentioned slavery, and 282 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: I'm also thinking, you know, not too recently during the 283 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: Trump administration, the sterilization of undocumented women, which we don't 284 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: talk about right, which has happened, by the way, the 285 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: sterilization of undocumented women under both Democrats and Republicans, might 286 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: I mention, and so you know, there has been Dahlia, 287 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: an unrelenting war against women in this country for decades. 288 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: And my question is we understand that. But white women 289 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: that have been voting with Donald Trump and have been 290 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: voting with the Republican Party for the entirety of their 291 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: voting age. The numbers went up from twenty sixteen to 292 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty in terms of who was showing out for 293 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. How do you think that white women reconcile 294 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: the war that has been on their autonomy and them 295 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: still vote alongside their husbands and their fathers. I mean, 296 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: I think the short, depressing answer is a failure to 297 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: connect the dots. I think it is to look at 298 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: this as abortion and isolation and all the ways that 299 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: many privileged white women have told themselves for decades that 300 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: this is not their problem. This is you know, if 301 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: you are, you know, using abortions, birth control, you know 302 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: all the stereotypes about you know, the kinds of women 303 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: who get abortions and refusing, I think to open the 304 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: aperture and say, oh wait, you know, my own miscarriage 305 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: could now be subject to investigation and criminal charges because 306 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: the state has determined that I wasn't mischarging, I wasn't 307 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: in fact having a miscarriage, I was aborting. So I 308 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: think that all of that kind of judgmental narrow mindedness 309 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: around reproductive freedom has been kind of blasted open. And 310 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: I think when you you start to hear the kinds 311 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: of stories we're hearing this summer, which, by the way, 312 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: as you say, has been going on for years. You know, 313 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: ten year old rape victim who has to cross state lines. 314 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, women being forced to carry a non viable 315 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: fetus and leave the state because she can't terminate in 316 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the state. You know this is familiar. Right now, We're 317 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: not talking about abortion. Now, we're talking about miscarriage, which 318 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: one pregnancy in four. Now we're talking about rape, which, 319 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: as you always point out, you know, statistically one woman 320 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: in four. Now we're talking about things that I think, 321 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: even if you are utterly mired in the sort of 322 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: judgmental narrow minded you know, abortion is something that only 323 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, loose women who aren't careful need to access. 324 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: You're in a new world now, and so as absolutely 325 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: awful as it is that these stories of women who 326 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: are left to bleed out until they are in critical 327 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: condition and the hospital's lawyers says, okay, now you can 328 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: treat her. Every one of us either had something like 329 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: that happen or no, somebody who's had something like that happen. 330 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: And so the depressing I think answer to your depressing 331 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: question is a total failure of empathy and imagination, right, 332 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: the total failure of this could have happened to me. 333 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: Oh wait, it did happen to me. You know, I 334 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: had one of those miscarriages that had to be handled 335 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: with a DNC that I think at this point, you know, 336 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: some state actor could certainly have looked at what I 337 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: was doing. And so I think a lot of people 338 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: who said this is a problem for black women in 339 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: Alabama are now looking around and saying, oh wait, this 340 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: is when I send my child to college. This is 341 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: a problem for them too. And I hate that that's 342 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: the answer. Failure of empathy, failure of imagination, failure to 343 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: understand that you don't know what you don't know. But 344 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: I think that's the answer. But the upside I really 345 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: do think, Danielle, is that people are starting to see 346 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: that they don't know what they don't know. And by 347 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: the way, this isn't just loose women who are using 348 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: abortion as birth control. You know, I want to even 349 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: go a step further with this with regard to your 350 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: they don't know what they don't know, because I often 351 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: say on this show that public education is the greatest 352 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: perpetuator of white supremacy and also of patriarchy. And I 353 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: say this because simple health education, sex education, reproductive education 354 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: comprehensive would help us understand childbirth, would help us understand 355 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: a woman's body, would help us understand the burden of labor. Right, 356 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: you had members of Congress and state legislatures, men who 357 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: have no idea how a woman's body works, right, has 358 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: no idea, Oh, just have the baby and drop it off, 359 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: as if pregnancy, nine months of growing a new human 360 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: being inside of you is somehow easy on the body. 361 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: And so I wonder, you know, And I bring this 362 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: up because there are only three women in the South 363 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: Carolina Legislature, and now all of a sudden they're seeing 364 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: in a different tune. They've been voting quote unquote pro 365 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: life until recently where one of them gave this floor 366 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: speech about how disappointed she was with her male colleagues 367 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: for not considering rape and incest and the well being 368 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: and the welfare of of a woman of the mother, 369 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: and then says she's voting against this legislation and oh, 370 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: we need more comprehensive sex education. I said, wait, what, 371 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: where have the hell have you been? So I want 372 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: you to talk about how these things go hand in hand, 373 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: how we see these attacks on education, how we see 374 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: these attacks on women, attacks on voting. And when you 375 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: say we don't know what we don't know, it's strategic. 376 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm going to land the place 377 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: you and I always land, which is it's the culture, right. 378 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: I mean, we have this pathetic, pathetic cultural conversation around 379 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: women and childbirth in which every single movie ends with like, 380 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, a dewey faced, blonde woman going and then 381 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: the baby pops out and it's six months old, and 382 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, her handsome, strapping partner is like, and now 383 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: we'll take it to a restaurant. You know, Like it's 384 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: so insane that any ring Carmone has written so gorgeously about, Like, actually, 385 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: here's what childbirth is like, it's not, in fact how 386 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: Hallmark movies end. And I think part of it is 387 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: just an massively impoverished cultural conversation. I you know, I 388 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: start the book the first chapter. There's two things in 389 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: the book that I think maybe answer some of this. 390 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, when the court heard oral argument in Griswold 391 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: versus Connecticut, it was all men and they were so 392 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: freaked out. This is the case that was raised the 393 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: issue of whether you could use contraception in the privacy 394 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: of a marriage, and the justices themselves, all men, were 395 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: so freaked out Danielle about talking about this that they 396 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't name the devices. And so you go back and 397 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: you read it and it's like a slip inside slide, 398 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: like Abbott and Costello comedy routine, where they're like, oh, 399 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: these devices and they you don't have to name them, 400 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: and they're all yucking it up, and it's like, if 401 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: you can't name it, don't regulate it. Don't because this 402 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable. Don't. Don't. You don't get to set 403 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: the rules. And so I think that's like part of 404 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: the problem is that we're so squeamish and we're so 405 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: prudish and we're so puritanical that we don't want to 406 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: talk about it, but we seemingly still want to regulate it. 407 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: And I think we haven't moved that far from the 408 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: days of Griswold, where you know, there are legislators. I mean, 409 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: people are saying things like, but how can you pee 410 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: with a tampon in Like again, that's not you know, 411 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: if you don't know how women's bodies work, like, don't 412 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: sit down and let doctors do their jobs. And so 413 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: that's part of it. The other thing that I think 414 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: is just really essential and part of the answer to this, 415 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: is that so much of this stuff is bound up 416 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: in slavery. So much of this is bound up in 417 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: sort of the idea of women and their bodies as 418 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: economic you know, producers of units of future slavery, children 419 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: taken away from their parents, fathers and mothers, separated, the 420 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: idea that your body belongs to a white man who 421 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: can rape you. It's impunity, who can separate you from 422 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: your children with impunity? And you know, I know you've 423 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: heard me bang on about this, but the fourteenth Amendment 424 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: was drafted to fix that because there was nothing else 425 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: in the Constitution that would fix the idea that women 426 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: could be used that way, and so which is why 427 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you hear during Contunja Brown Jackson's hearings, 428 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, Republican senators, including Marsha Blackbird, just being like, 429 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: there's nothing about bodily autonomy and privacy in the Constitution. 430 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: There is, It's right there, and it was meant to 431 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: be a curative for the obscene ways in which black 432 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: women's bodies were utterly, utterly used at the whim of 433 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: white men. And we've erased that history. You know, if 434 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: we want to go through all the history, we don't 435 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: want don't want to talk about. I didn't learn that, 436 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: by the way, in law school, to be clear. And 437 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: if you erase all the history, then it's not a 438 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: surprise that, like we are still living in the vestiges 439 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: of a time when Justice Alito happily writes the Dab's 440 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: opinion citing to the law of that moment, Dalia just 441 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, quickly, one, folks, everybody needs to pick up 442 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: Lady Justice, women, the law and the battle to save America, 443 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: which is out now. We have a new term for 444 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court that is coming up. The last term 445 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: gave America devastating blows. It was just nauseating. I didn't 446 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: even want to be on Twitter between you, between Gentab, 447 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: between Ellie miss Stall, between Joyce, Like I was just 448 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: please stop. What can we expect at a time when 449 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: our belief in the system of the Supreme Court is 450 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: at an all time low? That no one we we 451 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: I mean, their their approval ratings are in the toilet, 452 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: not like they have to care because they're sitting on 453 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: there until they're dead, right or retire. So what can 454 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: we expect and what recourse, if any, do the people have? Yeah, 455 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting. We're already seeing I mean, the term starts 456 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: the first Monday of October, and we're already seeing a 457 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of conservative commentators try to suggest that, oh, we're 458 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: going to take the temperature down this year. There's nothing 459 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: on the docket that's nearly as you know, high profile 460 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: as Dabbs. And you know, first of all, Dobbs wasn't 461 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: the only case last year. As you said, the Court 462 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: massively expanded gun rights. The Court tried to essentially kneecap 463 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: the EPA and regulatory agencies. The Court allowed religion to 464 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: enter the public sphere in a series of cases that 465 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: is shocking. Almost none of that got surfaced because we're 466 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: also busy reeling from Dubbs. Last term was, as you say, 467 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: catastrophic in so many ways, and now we're heading into 468 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: a term that really will first of all, see I 469 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: think the demise of affirmative action and higher education that's 470 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: already docketed, a bunch of voting rights cases that will 471 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: probably do away with whatever's left of the Voting Rights Act. 472 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: After the Court took you know, one whack at it 473 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: in Shelby County and then another whack of it at 474 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: it in Bernovich. Now there's going to be another opportunity 475 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: to pretty much make the Voting Rights Act utterly toothless. 476 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: We have an Indian Child Welfare Act case that folks 477 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: should really really pay attention to because it is, as 478 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: we've been saying throughout this entire conversation, an effort to 479 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: use surp tribal prerogatives their ability to keep families together, 480 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: which is supposed to be a value, a constitutional value. 481 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: And then you know the voting rights cases that are 482 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: really really chilling. Chief among them this you know Morvie 483 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Harper case, which is a case that it uses a 484 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: made up, prefab notion of independent state legislature theory to 485 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: hand all plenary power over elections to state legislatures. And 486 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: this is a whole different show, and I'm happy to 487 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: come back when it's argued. But it's the most important 488 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: case nobody's talking about. And the best way to describe it, 489 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: I think I've said this to you before, is that 490 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: the coup that John Eastman tried to pull in twenty 491 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: twenty that judges laughed out of court, the notion that 492 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: a state legislature could just say, like, h, whatever the 493 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: legislature decides about this election is unreviewed by state courts. 494 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: It is uncheckable by the governor that is coming in 495 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: black robes. And if the court says it's fine, then 496 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election is in the hands of 497 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: legislatures in a way that John Eastman and Donald Trump 498 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Clark were begging, begging state legislatures in Pennsylvania 499 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: and Georgia to do in the twenty twenty election. Jeff, 500 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: send your own electures, elector nobody can do anything that's coming. 501 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: And it seems technical, it's really not technical. It is 502 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: the most shocking power grab born of nothing. No doctrine 503 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: and it's coming. And if the term kind of plays 504 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: out the way last term does, I'm sorry. If the 505 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: term plays out the way last term did. This is 506 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: a court that's not I think, inclined to pump the 507 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: brakes on any of those areas. I tell you what 508 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: this spells to me. Dahlia is an impending revolution and 509 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: not I and I do not say that lightly. I have, 510 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: but I have been saying this since twenty sixteen, that 511 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: things in this country will get bloodier before they get better. 512 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: We cannot look at Iran with eyes that say, oh, 513 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: poor them, because we are them. And this is where 514 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: this country is headed. And it isn't an Islamic republic. 515 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: It isn't the fear of foreign terrorists. It is the 516 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: white supremist Christo fascists Republican party that is establishing their 517 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: coup and putting them in black robes. Dalia Lithwick, thank 518 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: you so much for making the time to join Woke 519 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: f We appreciate you your writing, your work all the time. Folks. Again, 520 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: the book is Lady Justice, Women, The Law and the 521 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: Battle to Save America on stands on Amazon everywhere you 522 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: buy your books. 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