WEBVTT - Listener Mail: The Night’s Plutonian Shore 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.840 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.800 Listener mail. My name is Robert lamp and I'm Joe McCormick, 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.200 and it's October and we are bringing back some of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.560 the messages you've sent in over the past week or so. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:21.280 Rob do you want to kick it off with this 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:29.520 message about the Holy Undead? All right? This one comes 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.480 to us from Dorian. Hey, guys, first of all, completely 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.120 love your show. However, I couldn't believe that you failed 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.240 to mention the new Netflix series in your last podcast. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.239 Um Midnight mass So Dorris referend to the fact that 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.120 we discussed the the old story the Midnight mass of 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.280 the Dead, and here that this is something called Midnight 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.640 mass Um. I believe it's from what's his name, the 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.920 guy did Oculus Mike Flanagan. I think it's Mike Plan again. Yeah, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.600 you're an Oculus fan, aren't you. Well. And as as 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.040 much as one can be of a film that I 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.479 think it makes, it wants to make you feel bad. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.240 It worked as a I thought it was an effective 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.679 horror film. Yeah, but I haven't I haven't really watched 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.800 a lot of his his recent stuff, So I think 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.600 Occous is the most recent Mike Flannagan thing I've seen. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.839 He did the movie adaptation of Doctor Sleep, UM, which 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.119 I watched not too long ago, and I had very 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.720 mixed feelings about There's some really good things about it, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.440 some things really don't work at all. I could probably 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.760 say the same thing about the book, like I read 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.560 the book Doctor Sleep, and there were things I I 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.560 really lacked about it and things that I don't know 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.440 didn't completely work for me. But it's it's a good 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.080 story anyway. Dorian continues, I had no idea that this 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.480 was an older idea, and then the show borrowed this, 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.280 but the take in the show is certainly really interesting. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.360 UM T L d R. Jesus was vampire. I hope 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.360 you can mention this in your next installment. Best Dorian, Um, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:59.880 I think I have I have to me. I think 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:04.160 I'd seen that title pop up in Netflix, but um, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.440 I hadn't really investigated further for a few different reasons. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.040 First of all, it's I generally watched that kind of 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.280 thing with my wife, and it's it's it's hard to 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.840 get her on board with with a horror show. UM. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.960 And I was able to successfully get her to watch 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.120 The Terror with me. Um uh, the season one of 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.320 which is an adaptation with Dan Simon's novel, and thus 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.639 far it's just terrific. So I knew better than to 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.280 press my look and start looking at another horror series 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.240 and seeing if I could get her on board with 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.320 that one. Is that the one that's got Lane Price 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.680 for Madman in the in the Arctic? Yes? Yeah, Jared 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.880 Harris is in it. You got Tobias Menzies. Uh. Yeah, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.160 it's got a wonderful cast, and um yeah, it's it's 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.120 about Arctic exploration and uh and really you could you 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.160 if you didn't know that the show had a speculative 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.600 element thrown in. Uh, you'd be watching for a while 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.200 before it presented itself and then you're reminded, oh, out, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.440 there's there's something else going on here as well. But 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.320 so far greatly enjoying that show. I guess I'm suspicious. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.000 I was suspicious of the title though, because Midnight Mass 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.520 it sounds dark. But you had that movie come out 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.320 called Black Mass. It was just about gangsters. It had 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.080 nothing to do with you know, satanic masses and so 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.880 forth and witchcraft. Um, and that that that that kind 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.079 of turned me off. I'm like, uh, I can't trust 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.000 Hollywood to do anything. Oh yeah, that's one with Johnny 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.399 Depp as the gangster with really blue eyes. I guess yeah, yeah, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.560 I think so. And he's not a warlock at all 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.240 in it, like why why are you wasting my time? 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.120 And it was just kind of a grimy killer. But anyway, Dorian, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.400 thanks for bringing that to our attention. Yeah. I had 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.680 not put one in two together that that might be 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.800 related to what we were discussing in the show. But 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.520 now that I know that there's at least some element 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.960 of the Midnight Mass of the Dead there, I'm I'm 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:58.200 interested to check it out. Okay, we got a few 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.960 more responses to the episode Seth and I did about 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.120 horror movie music. This first one comes from Sebastian, who's 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.440 written in a number of times. Sebastian says hello to 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.560 the lads from stuff. I'm not sure if anyone wrote 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.000 into comment on this, but in the very special episode 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.559 featuring Seth, in which you discussed spooky horror soundtrack music, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.760 you briefly mentioned the Devil's Cord also known as a 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.560 try tone, and briefly mentioned its contentious history with the Church. Now, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.440 Sebastian respectfully that we did make reference to the try tone. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.680 I really don't think we said anything about the try 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.920 tone having any particular history with the church, and even 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.200 checked my notes to make sure I didn't see anything 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.920 about that. So it's possible you may be mixing our 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.320 episode up with something else. But I appreciate all of 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.279 the thoughts you have that follow nonetheless, because I have 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.360 at least gotten the impression somewhere along the way that somebody, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.720 at some point in time thought that this, uh, this 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:58.360 series of notes was evil. But but Sebastian explains, unfortunately, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.760 this history is actually both made up and also modern, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.800 and was thoroughly debunked by dreamy YouTuber and funk bassist 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.440 Adam Neely, and then he links to this YouTube channel. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.359 Turns out the cord was never banned by anyone and 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.320 never considered an evil or dark sound and sniping from 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.440 Adam Neely's hard word, I linked to the medieval French 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:26.120 composer Perotons Catholic Christmas him Vita un omniss, which is 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.320 both loaded with try tones and also was commissioned by 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.280 the church, and it is also beautiful and Sebastian includes 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.599 a link for us to listen to. But if people 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.360 aren't as familiar with classical music, you can you can 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.080 also pretty quickly bring the try tone to mind if 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.560 you think about the song off of Black Sabbath's first album. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.839 I think the song is called Black Sabbath. It's the 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.960 one that goes down, down down. I think you know 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.560 what I'm talking about, right, Oh, I know what you're 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.520 talking about. Yeah, and Aussie's going, oh no, please God 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.440 help me. Um, but a Sebastian goes on his Storically, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.760 the tri tone was noted as being quote vivacious and 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:09.000 forceful in ascent funereal, and sad and decent. In fact, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.640 Neely also found a modern instance of melodic sequences of 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.920 the tritne chord, being the opening three notes of the 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.159 Simpsons theme and the name Maria in the self named 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.560 song from a West Side Story, both being very forceful 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.960 and vivacious. Indeed, the chord was also known as the 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.839 Devil's chord, but for a different reason. In this arrangement, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.520 the four and five of a major scale are played 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.480 along with the root, and if you know your music theory, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.040 then you know that they're a half tone apart. As 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.479 a result, singers will tend to try to sing a 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:46.480 slightly flat fourth and a slightly sharp fifth to overcompensate 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.400 for the similarity. The chord doesn't summon or invoke the devil, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.120 it's just devilish lye difficult to get acquired to perform it. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.839 The assumption that historical people didn't have a sense of 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.200 humor or metaphor came in in the nineteen sixties when 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.240 heavy metal musicians were looking for things to incorporate to 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.400 make things seem more forbidden, and a chord called the 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.280 Devil definitely struck a chord and then we get a 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.800 winking face emoji. The rest is modern mythology. This reminds 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.360 me of an episode of Look Around You about Music. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:19.840 I guess with the one about music, or it was 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.000 the one that dealt with synthesizers. I can't remember the 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.640 season one or two, but it's probably season one where 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.880 they were talking about these, uh these notes diabolique I 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.680 think they were called, and uh it's this uh this 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.920 added little box at the end of the keyboard that's 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.040 actually locked and you have to unlock it to access 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.960 these like these three Maybe it was three, but it 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.640 just just a very small number of keys that you 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.040 could play. Look around you. That show, by the way, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.280 if you've never seen it is worth looking up. It's 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.000 absolutely yeah. Even just a summary of the premise is 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:57.240 pretty delightful. It is simply short educational films of the 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.160 kind you might see in a British elementary school class room, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.120 except they are full of deeply incorrect information. Yeah and 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.960 just uh yeah, just weirdness and absurdities. It's a it's 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.280 a fantastic vibe, all presented for the most part very dryly. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.000 Sebastian goes on, as for music, if you really want 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.000 something to appear darker or spookier more so than a 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:24.160 minor key, you should really consider using different modes, especially 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:28.080 the lacrean, where basically no two notes sound good together. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.559 But that's probably more music theory than your average stuff 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.720 to blow your mind listener is ready for without a 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.240 full episode of preamble, I mean talking about music theory 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.600 without without auditory examples. In general, I find it's very difficult, 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.319 and more so difficult because I don't understand a whole 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.160 lot of music theory. I'm I'm only uh literate in 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.320 the most basic music theory sense like. I think the 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.880 extent to which I understand music is the extent to 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.560 which you could say you're literate if you can only 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.000 sort of read like road signs and stuff. Sebastian says 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.440 in the last listener mail, you also mentioned dark Christmas music, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.959 and my favorite will always be Coventry Carol, which is 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.600 about the Christmas prophecy ending with King Herod's slaying of 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.440 the babes. It is a Christmas carol in a dark 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.119 key about witchcraft and genocide, all framed on the background 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.079 of a census which was used as a tool of oppression. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.080 How metal is that? Yeah, I'm looking at the lyrics 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.679 here Harold the King and his raging charged he hath 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.840 this day his men of might in his own site, 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.520 all children young to slay, and not not the not 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.600 the good Christmas kind of slay, not a sleigh ride, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.040 but the the killing kind. That's music to eat candy 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.800 canes by Um. Sebastian goes on one thing for Weird 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.600 House Cinema. This has never come up on the show 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.840 We're basically Anywhere, but I noticed recently that Tom Waits 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.720 and Ron Pearlman vaguely resemble each other and it's a 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.760 pity that they never played brothers or cousins in anything. Sebastian, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.280 I have noticed this before. You're not the only one, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.440 but Sebastian goes on. Both of their filmographies are almost 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.679 entirely good fodder for weird house cinema, so it didn't 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.520 seem too off topic. I suppose I could say Tom 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.120 Waits would make a hilarious dark Bomba Dil with a 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.439 swap out for Pearlman playing a magically powered up warrior 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.880 version of the character, assuming Bomba Dil were like a 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.880 wood spirit version of Sailor Moon, but that would be 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.240 more of a Yodorowski vision of the tail. M hmm, Well, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.360 there's a lot of a lot of process there. I 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.120 don't really have an answer, um except I don't know. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.880 It's it's hard to imagine Tom Waits or or Pearlman 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.600 in the role. I just I can't say I like 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.800 both of these guys a lot uh in the roles 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.960 that they are right for. But yeah, I mean, Pearlman 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.800 is is Bomba Dial would be a very kind of 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:55.400 grumpy growley Bomba Dial Pearlman is. I think Pearlman is 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.800 just way off Tom Waits. I don't know that that 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:04.280 could work with the right kind of irony doll Marvy door. Yeah. Finally, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.320 Sebastian says, I'm hoping you're planning on Dune themed episodes 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.720 at some point to go along with the new adaptation. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.079 I guess it means the new movie. Uh. I don't 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.880 know what else would mean. Obviously means the new movie. Um. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.960 When I was a kid in the nineties, whenever I 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.360 was asked if I were a Star Trek or Star 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.640 Wars fan, and back then it was still aggressively guarded 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:29.480 as a false dichotomy, my answer was always Dune. Good answer, Sebastian. Uh. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.640 The the email continues. Unfortunately, I don't think a movie 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.800 adaptation will ever do the material justice and will always 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.480 land in favor of an animated mini series, something like 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.559 the moody atmosphere of Samurai Jack's gorgeous matt backgrounds as 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.959 he wandered the Earth, somehow blended with the frenetic surrealist 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.080 modernism of the old Eon Flux cartoon. Science fiction and 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.480 fantasy are usually only as good as their worst special effect, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.920 and honestly I trust animators more than cg artists anyway, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.559 keep up the good work, Sebastian. Well, I mean, obviously, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.880 I'm excited to see the new Done film. I guess 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.520 by the time this publishes, it will be it'll be 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.640 out in the States. Uh so you're you're listening to 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.760 to the me of the past that has not actually 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.760 seen it yet. But I'm excited for it and I 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.360 have I have high hopes that it will deliver. As 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:24.200 for upcoming episodes of the show about Done related topics, 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.360 I think we're going to try and get into this 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:31.000 a little bit in November, UM, so, so stick with us. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.240 Hopefully everyone will still be enthusiastic about Done um during 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.240 the month of November, and we'll we'll we'll explore something. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.120 We we have several ideas. I am also extremely excited 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.839 to see the movie. I yeah, I mean, I guess 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.439 you could both be very excited to see the movie 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.120 and think that it could be great, while also believing 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.360 that it will be sort of hard for any movie 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.600 ever to really fully capture the feeling of the novel. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.840 But I guess you could. People could probably feel that 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.920 way about any novel. I mean that may be true, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.559 specially of something like Doing, But I don't know. I'm 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.760 I'm very excited for the movie. Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.480 a book like this, it means a lot a lot 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.319 to a lot of people, and it's had a lot 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.400 of time to to find a sort of finalized form 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.240 in your mind. Uh So, yeah, you have to go 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.400 into it with with without you know, too lofty of expectations. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.319 You know, you're not going to get your perfect mental 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.000 vision of doing it's it's someone else's and more than 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.080 one person's, uh, a vision of what this world would 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.959 be like. So yeah, I'm I'm open to it, and 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:38.319 I'm looking forward to it, all right. This next one 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.560 comes to us from Nick. Nick writes, in a recent episode, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.000 you said you couldn't think of a single example of 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.839 major key music being used non ironically in a horror film. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.199 I think I have an example for you, theree film 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.480 The wicker Man. It's famous soundtrack includes British folk songs 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.520 and nursery rhymes and original compositions by Paul Giovanni, including 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.680 the sublime Willows theme. The music is primarily in major 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.280 key and upbeat, although it is often haunting an eerie 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.640 in a way you can't put your finger on. No doubt, 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.640 there is an ironic significance to the music, But I 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.720 don't think it's the obvious bait and switch sort of 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.400 irony you were talking about. The cheerfulness of the music 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.840 is genuine, just as the cheerfulness of the inhabitants of 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:27.480 Summer Isle is genuine, notwithstanding their sinister intentions toward the hero. Really, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.480 the music of The Wickerman is the key ingredient in 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.920 its unique weirdness and creepiness. It's certainly unlike most horror music, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.360 just as the film itself is an atypical horror movie 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.800 best regards. Oh my god, Nick, how did I not 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.680 think of this? The Wickerman is one of my favorite 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.640 horror movies. It's definitely a favorite in in our house. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.400 I know it's one of my wife's favorite as well. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.400 We we tend to watch it not in October actually, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.240 because it's it's seasonally appropriate for me first. We we 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.600 often watch it. We watch it most years on me first. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.400 And Yeah, the music absolutely makes the film. The corn 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.200 Riggs in Barley Riggs song every time we watched the movie. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.120 For weeks afterwards, we're walking around the house corn Riggs 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:14.120 and Barley Riggs. Yeah, it's it's unstoppable. I haven't seen 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.640 it in a good while, I should fire it up again. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.960 I mean, as for whether or not there is an 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.080 irony intended in the music, I mean, I certainly feel 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.720 a sense of irony in the music. I think a 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.640 lot of the pleasure of the movie lies in the 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.240 cheerfulness of the Pagans and it you know, uh, the 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:36.120 way Christopher Lee just kind of confidently booms out joyful 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.440 pronouncements in front of the crowds of of masked islanders. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.840 It's uh that that's where a lot of the fun lies. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.240 And I think the same that same spirit is there 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.480 in the jolly music. Like I feel like the sense 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.040 of irony it takes to appreciate the music in that 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.760 movie is exactly what the the supposed protagonist of the 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.680 movie lacks. When when you know, Christopher Lee says to him, 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.800 does the sight of the Young will refresh you? And 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.320 you know, and he's he's just a grump. He says, no, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:12.920 it does not refresh me. All right. This next message 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.320 comes from Lee. Lie says, Hello, my friend a film 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.000 composer and I a sound designer, just finished listening to 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.360 your episode on Scary Music and loved it. We had 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.720 a couple of thoughts about the episode. We wanted to 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.880 share one in regards to the minor key being dissonant. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.640 I theorized that the minor third doesn't occur in the 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.560 overtone series until very late. He wanted to point out 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.920 that children's music and modern pop uh tend to have 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.680 minor thirds because they're easier to sing. I'll have to 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.520 take your word for it on that, because I again 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.200 don't don't fully understand what that's referring to there. But 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.160 then this next point, I thought it is a great one. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.880 Lee goes on. We were surprised you didn't mention the 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:58.680 d s ear a a four notes sequence, an octave displacement, 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.680 a broad distance between high pitches and low rumbles, common 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:07.080 in spooky films. These might be fun research tangents. Yes, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.760 we can definitely come back to this, especially I've been 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.640 thinking about the DS era. So this is a four 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.280 notes sequence that you will recognize from Probably initially your 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.639 brain will lock onto it in one movie score, but 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.000 then you'll notice it all over the place, usually in dire, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.480 dark kind of scenes, especially in horror movies. It comes 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.080 from medieval monks Chance, I think from from funeral Chance, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.880 but it's used in all kinds of film scores. One 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.879 place it's very iconic is it's the first four notes 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.720 in the classic main theme to the Shining by Wendy Carlos. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. You you hear versions of 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.600 that and a lot of different bits of film composition. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.600 So I agree that could absolutely be something that's really 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.840 fun to explore in more detail in the future because 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.520 it has a lot of different It pops up all 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.720 over the place, and has interesting historical and religious themes 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.560 associated with it. Now you I think you mentioned off 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.760 Mike ear there that we also see this in the 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.520 Simpsons theme song or some version. Oh no, that's the 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.600 tri tone, that's the try tone. Okay. I was wondering 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.720 about it because, um, in a second, this particular listener 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.679 mentions another film that I'm pretty sure has Danny Elfman music, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.960 and I was wondering if there's something about Danny Elfman's 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.200 music that is that tends to be inherently creepy. I 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.200 was just thinking about this because we just watched Beetlejuice 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.560 for the first time with with my son, and uh, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.239 great first of it. Well yeah, well forty of so 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.120 the music is is is great but also my son 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.800 did not like the music. He in fact, he requested 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.600 that the movie be be turned down somewhat and subtitles 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.440 be put on because the music was too much for him. Uh. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.320 He also was not particularly fond of the film. There's 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:19.880 a lot of stuff in Beetle Juice that doesn't really 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.240 hold up, you know, and it has that Uh Beetle 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:29.879 Juices is wildly inappropriate. Um the character he's not a 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.760 good ghost and he does not learn anything. Um. That 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.200 being said, there there there's a lot of interesting stuff 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.080 in the film. I did like the many of the 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.800 sets and costumes and some of the ideas well. It 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.919 was one of those confusing things where they made a 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:48.000 kid's cartoon out of it, which makes you just sort 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.120 of assume, if you haven't seen the movie in a while, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:54.000 that it's appropriate for children. And I don't think it is, Like, yeah, 0:19:54.200 --> 0:20:00.320 Beetle Juices. Beetlejuice is like a nasty, weird, unpleasant character. Yeah, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.600 he's a creeper, you know, and he tries to take 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.600 a child bride. It's, um, it's it's a weird film. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.160 But but yeah, it does have one of those signature 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.960 Danny Elfman scores that um it, you know, moves along. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.520 It seems to have a fair amount of energy, but 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.840 also uh, you know, feels kind of brooding and creepy. Well, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.840 I guess connecting to what you're saying. Lee also says 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.439 we also talked to another composer friend, and Edwards scissor 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.120 Hands is the closest we could come to a horror 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.600 flick that has a main theme and a major key. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.359 I honestly don't remember it all what the music and 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.480 Edward scissor Hands is like, but I mean it's definitely 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.000 Danny Elfman. It is Danny Elfman. But but yeah, nothing's 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:40.760 coming to mind on that. I don't mean that as 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.760 an insult. I just mean I don't remember. I mean 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.520 I might be able to if you played it for me, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.760 I might be able to guess that it that that 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.400 it is in fact a Danny Elfman score. They there's 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.280 a certain sound that's undeniable. I guess I tend to 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.200 think of a lot of kind of beeps and boops 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.280 and stuff. Is that the is that the music theory name? 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:02.040 I don't know. Yeah, Annie Elfman score tends to sound 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:07.320 like a like like a weird black car riding across 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.840 a strange landscape. Um, that's or maybe it's just because 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.199 I've just heard it's I've I've so associated it with 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:24.520 Tim Burton films, So that's just kind of it, all right. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.360 Before we move on to some weird how cinema stuff here, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.600 I have a quick bit of listener mail from Discord. Yes, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:34.240 yes we do. We do have the stuff to blow 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.040 your mind Discord. Um, it's always tricky to steer people 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:39.760 towards it because I think you need a link for it. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.919 So if you want the link for the Discord, just 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.600 email us. You'll find the email address at the end 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.880 of this episode. Anyway, Fletch on Discord shares her Nay. 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.400 The hunter mentioned in today's episode on Weather and Ghosts 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.320 featured in an old BBC show, Robin of Sherwood, that 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.960 leaned pretty heavily into pre Christian British myth. It also 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.879 had Sean Connery's son Jason as a second incarnation of 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.800 Robin in later seasons, and a young Ray Winstone as 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.520 Will Scarlett. The music for the show was done by Klanad, 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.399 the band in You was in before her solo career, 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.600 uh and they included a YouTube compilation of various bits 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:22.520 that featured her the Hunter. I had to look this 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.480 show up. It looks looks pretty fun. I noticed that 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.720 Richard O'Brien shows up in it and plays a wizard 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.560 for a number of episodes, and combine that with a 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.720 cool score, and I'm potentially interested. Looks like you can 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.760 you can access it via some streaming sides today. Well, 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.200