1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Listener mail. My name is Robert lamp and I'm Joe McCormick, 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: and it's October and we are bringing back some of 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: the messages you've sent in over the past week or so. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Rob do you want to kick it off with this 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: message about the Holy Undead? All right? This one comes 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: to us from Dorian. Hey, guys, first of all, completely 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: love your show. However, I couldn't believe that you failed 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: to mention the new Netflix series in your last podcast. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: Um Midnight mass So Dorris referend to the fact that 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: we discussed the the old story the Midnight mass of 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: the Dead, and here that this is something called Midnight 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: mass Um. I believe it's from what's his name, the 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: guy did Oculus Mike Flanagan. I think it's Mike Plan again. Yeah, 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: you're an Oculus fan, aren't you. Well. And as as 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: much as one can be of a film that I 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: think it makes, it wants to make you feel bad. 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: It worked as a I thought it was an effective 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: horror film. Yeah, but I haven't I haven't really watched 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: a lot of his his recent stuff, So I think 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Occous is the most recent Mike Flannagan thing I've seen. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: He did the movie adaptation of Doctor Sleep, UM, which 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: I watched not too long ago, and I had very 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: mixed feelings about There's some really good things about it, 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: some things really don't work at all. I could probably 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: say the same thing about the book, like I read 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: the book Doctor Sleep, and there were things I I 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: really lacked about it and things that I don't know 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: didn't completely work for me. But it's it's a good 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: story anyway. Dorian continues, I had no idea that this 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: was an older idea, and then the show borrowed this, 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: but the take in the show is certainly really interesting. 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: UM T L d R. Jesus was vampire. I hope 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: you can mention this in your next installment. Best Dorian, Um, 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: I think I have I have to me. I think 37 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: I'd seen that title pop up in Netflix, but um, 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I hadn't really investigated further for a few different reasons. 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: First of all, it's I generally watched that kind of 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: thing with my wife, and it's it's it's hard to 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: get her on board with with a horror show. UM. 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: And I was able to successfully get her to watch 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: The Terror with me. Um uh, the season one of 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: which is an adaptation with Dan Simon's novel, and thus 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: far it's just terrific. So I knew better than to 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: press my look and start looking at another horror series 47 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: and seeing if I could get her on board with 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: that one. Is that the one that's got Lane Price 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: for Madman in the in the Arctic? Yes? Yeah, Jared 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Harris is in it. You got Tobias Menzies. Uh. Yeah, 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: it's got a wonderful cast, and um yeah, it's it's 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: about Arctic exploration and uh and really you could you 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: if you didn't know that the show had a speculative 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: element thrown in. Uh, you'd be watching for a while 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: before it presented itself and then you're reminded, oh, out, 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: there's there's something else going on here as well. But 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: so far greatly enjoying that show. I guess I'm suspicious. 58 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: I was suspicious of the title though, because Midnight Mass 59 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: it sounds dark. But you had that movie come out 60 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: called Black Mass. It was just about gangsters. It had 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: nothing to do with you know, satanic masses and so 62 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: forth and witchcraft. Um, and that that that that kind 63 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: of turned me off. I'm like, uh, I can't trust 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Hollywood to do anything. Oh yeah, that's one with Johnny 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: Depp as the gangster with really blue eyes. I guess yeah, yeah, 66 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I think so. And he's not a warlock at all 67 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: in it, like why why are you wasting my time? 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: And it was just kind of a grimy killer. But anyway, Dorian, 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: thanks for bringing that to our attention. Yeah. I had 70 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: not put one in two together that that might be 71 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: related to what we were discussing in the show. But 72 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: now that I know that there's at least some element 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: of the Midnight Mass of the Dead there, I'm I'm 74 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: interested to check it out. Okay, we got a few 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: more responses to the episode Seth and I did about 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: horror movie music. This first one comes from Sebastian, who's 77 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: written in a number of times. Sebastian says hello to 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: the lads from stuff. I'm not sure if anyone wrote 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: into comment on this, but in the very special episode 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 1: featuring Seth, in which you discussed spooky horror soundtrack music, 81 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: you briefly mentioned the Devil's Cord also known as a 82 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: try tone, and briefly mentioned its contentious history with the Church. Now, 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Sebastian respectfully that we did make reference to the try tone. 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I really don't think we said anything about the try 85 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: tone having any particular history with the church, and even 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: checked my notes to make sure I didn't see anything 87 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: about that. So it's possible you may be mixing our 88 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: episode up with something else. But I appreciate all of 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: the thoughts you have that follow nonetheless, because I have 90 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: at least gotten the impression somewhere along the way that somebody, 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: at some point in time thought that this, uh, this 92 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: series of notes was evil. But but Sebastian explains, unfortunately, 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: this history is actually both made up and also modern, 94 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: and was thoroughly debunked by dreamy YouTuber and funk bassist 95 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: Adam Neely, and then he links to this YouTube channel. 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: Turns out the cord was never banned by anyone and 97 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: never considered an evil or dark sound and sniping from 98 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: Adam Neely's hard word, I linked to the medieval French 99 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: composer Perotons Catholic Christmas him Vita un omniss, which is 100 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: both loaded with try tones and also was commissioned by 101 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: the church, and it is also beautiful and Sebastian includes 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: a link for us to listen to. But if people 103 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: aren't as familiar with classical music, you can you can 104 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: also pretty quickly bring the try tone to mind if 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: you think about the song off of Black Sabbath's first album. 106 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: I think the song is called Black Sabbath. It's the 107 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: one that goes down, down down. I think you know 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, right, Oh, I know what you're 109 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, and Aussie's going, oh no, please God 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: help me. Um, but a Sebastian goes on his Storically, 111 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: the tri tone was noted as being quote vivacious and 112 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: forceful in ascent funereal, and sad and decent. In fact, 113 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Neely also found a modern instance of melodic sequences of 114 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: the tritne chord, being the opening three notes of the 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: Simpsons theme and the name Maria in the self named 116 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: song from a West Side Story, both being very forceful 117 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: and vivacious. Indeed, the chord was also known as the 118 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: Devil's chord, but for a different reason. In this arrangement, 119 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: the four and five of a major scale are played 120 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: along with the root, and if you know your music theory, 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: then you know that they're a half tone apart. As 122 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: a result, singers will tend to try to sing a 123 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: slightly flat fourth and a slightly sharp fifth to overcompensate 124 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: for the similarity. The chord doesn't summon or invoke the devil, 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: it's just devilish lye difficult to get acquired to perform it. 126 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: The assumption that historical people didn't have a sense of 127 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: humor or metaphor came in in the nineteen sixties when 128 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: heavy metal musicians were looking for things to incorporate to 129 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: make things seem more forbidden, and a chord called the 130 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: Devil definitely struck a chord and then we get a 131 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: winking face emoji. The rest is modern mythology. This reminds 132 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: me of an episode of Look Around You about Music. 133 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: I guess with the one about music, or it was 134 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the one that dealt with synthesizers. I can't remember the 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: season one or two, but it's probably season one where 136 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: they were talking about these, uh these notes diabolique I 137 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: think they were called, and uh it's this uh this 138 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: added little box at the end of the keyboard that's 139 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: actually locked and you have to unlock it to access 140 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: these like these three Maybe it was three, but it 141 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: just just a very small number of keys that you 142 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: could play. Look around you. That show, by the way, 143 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: if you've never seen it is worth looking up. It's 144 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. Even just a summary of the premise is 145 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: pretty delightful. It is simply short educational films of the 146 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: kind you might see in a British elementary school class room, 147 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: except they are full of deeply incorrect information. Yeah and 148 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: just uh yeah, just weirdness and absurdities. It's a it's 149 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: a fantastic vibe, all presented for the most part very dryly. 150 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: Sebastian goes on, as for music, if you really want 151 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: something to appear darker or spookier more so than a 152 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: minor key, you should really consider using different modes, especially 153 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: the lacrean, where basically no two notes sound good together. 154 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: But that's probably more music theory than your average stuff 155 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: to blow your mind listener is ready for without a 156 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: full episode of preamble, I mean talking about music theory 157 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: without without auditory examples. In general, I find it's very difficult, 158 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: and more so difficult because I don't understand a whole 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: lot of music theory. I'm I'm only uh literate in 160 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: the most basic music theory sense like. I think the 161 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: extent to which I understand music is the extent to 162 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: which you could say you're literate if you can only 163 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: sort of read like road signs and stuff. Sebastian says 164 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: in the last listener mail, you also mentioned dark Christmas music, 165 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: and my favorite will always be Coventry Carol, which is 166 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: about the Christmas prophecy ending with King Herod's slaying of 167 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: the babes. It is a Christmas carol in a dark 168 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,119 Speaker 1: key about witchcraft and genocide, all framed on the background 169 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: of a census which was used as a tool of oppression. 170 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: How metal is that? Yeah, I'm looking at the lyrics 171 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: here Harold the King and his raging charged he hath 172 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: this day his men of might in his own site, 173 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: all children young to slay, and not not the not 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: the good Christmas kind of slay, not a sleigh ride, 175 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: but the the killing kind. That's music to eat candy 176 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: canes by Um. Sebastian goes on one thing for Weird 177 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: House Cinema. This has never come up on the show 178 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: We're basically Anywhere, but I noticed recently that Tom Waits 179 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: and Ron Pearlman vaguely resemble each other and it's a 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: pity that they never played brothers or cousins in anything. Sebastian, 181 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: I have noticed this before. You're not the only one, 182 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: but Sebastian goes on. Both of their filmographies are almost 183 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: entirely good fodder for weird house cinema, so it didn't 184 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: seem too off topic. I suppose I could say Tom 185 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: Waits would make a hilarious dark Bomba Dil with a 186 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: swap out for Pearlman playing a magically powered up warrior 187 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: version of the character, assuming Bomba Dil were like a 188 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: wood spirit version of Sailor Moon, but that would be 189 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: more of a Yodorowski vision of the tail. M hmm, Well, 190 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of process there. I 191 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: don't really have an answer, um except I don't know. 192 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: It's it's hard to imagine Tom Waits or or Pearlman 193 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: in the role. I just I can't say I like 194 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: both of these guys a lot uh in the roles 195 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: that they are right for. But yeah, I mean, Pearlman 196 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: is is Bomba Dial would be a very kind of 197 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: grumpy growley Bomba Dial Pearlman is. I think Pearlman is 198 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: just way off Tom Waits. I don't know that that 199 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: could work with the right kind of irony doll Marvy door. Yeah. Finally, 200 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: Sebastian says, I'm hoping you're planning on Dune themed episodes 201 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: at some point to go along with the new adaptation. 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: I guess it means the new movie. Uh. I don't 203 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: know what else would mean. Obviously means the new movie. Um. 204 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: When I was a kid in the nineties, whenever I 205 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: was asked if I were a Star Trek or Star 206 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Wars fan, and back then it was still aggressively guarded 207 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: as a false dichotomy, my answer was always Dune. Good answer, Sebastian. Uh. 208 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: The the email continues. Unfortunately, I don't think a movie 209 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: adaptation will ever do the material justice and will always 210 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: land in favor of an animated mini series, something like 211 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: the moody atmosphere of Samurai Jack's gorgeous matt backgrounds as 212 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: he wandered the Earth, somehow blended with the frenetic surrealist 213 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: modernism of the old Eon Flux cartoon. Science fiction and 214 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: fantasy are usually only as good as their worst special effect, 215 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: and honestly I trust animators more than cg artists anyway, 216 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: keep up the good work, Sebastian. Well, I mean, obviously, 217 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the new Done film. I guess 218 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: by the time this publishes, it will be it'll be 219 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: out in the States. Uh so you're you're listening to 220 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: to the me of the past that has not actually 221 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: seen it yet. But I'm excited for it and I 222 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: have I have high hopes that it will deliver. As 223 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: for upcoming episodes of the show about Done related topics, 224 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: I think we're going to try and get into this 225 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: a little bit in November, UM, so, so stick with us. 226 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Hopefully everyone will still be enthusiastic about Done um during 227 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: the month of November, and we'll we'll we'll explore something. 228 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: We we have several ideas. I am also extremely excited 229 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: to see the movie. I yeah, I mean, I guess 230 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: you could both be very excited to see the movie 231 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: and think that it could be great, while also believing 232 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: that it will be sort of hard for any movie 233 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: ever to really fully capture the feeling of the novel. 234 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: But I guess you could. People could probably feel that 235 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: way about any novel. I mean that may be true, 236 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: specially of something like Doing, But I don't know. I'm 237 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm very excited for the movie. Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously, 238 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: a book like this, it means a lot a lot 239 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: to a lot of people, and it's had a lot 240 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: of time to to find a sort of finalized form 241 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: in your mind. Uh So, yeah, you have to go 242 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: into it with with without you know, too lofty of expectations. 243 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: You know, you're not going to get your perfect mental 244 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: vision of doing it's it's someone else's and more than 245 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: one person's, uh, a vision of what this world would 246 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: be like. So yeah, I'm I'm open to it, and 247 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it, all right. This next one 248 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: comes to us from Nick. Nick writes, in a recent episode, 249 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: you said you couldn't think of a single example of 250 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: major key music being used non ironically in a horror film. 251 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: I think I have an example for you, theree film 252 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: The wicker Man. It's famous soundtrack includes British folk songs 253 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: and nursery rhymes and original compositions by Paul Giovanni, including 254 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: the sublime Willows theme. The music is primarily in major 255 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: key and upbeat, although it is often haunting an eerie 256 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: in a way you can't put your finger on. No doubt, 257 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: there is an ironic significance to the music, But I 258 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: don't think it's the obvious bait and switch sort of 259 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: irony you were talking about. The cheerfulness of the music 260 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: is genuine, just as the cheerfulness of the inhabitants of 261 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: Summer Isle is genuine, notwithstanding their sinister intentions toward the hero. Really, 262 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: the music of The Wickerman is the key ingredient in 263 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: its unique weirdness and creepiness. It's certainly unlike most horror music, 264 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: just as the film itself is an atypical horror movie 265 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: best regards. Oh my god, Nick, how did I not 266 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: think of this? The Wickerman is one of my favorite 267 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: horror movies. It's definitely a favorite in in our house. 268 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: I know it's one of my wife's favorite as well. 269 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: We we tend to watch it not in October actually, 270 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: because it's it's seasonally appropriate for me first. We we 271 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: often watch it. We watch it most years on me first. 272 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: And Yeah, the music absolutely makes the film. The corn 273 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Riggs in Barley Riggs song every time we watched the movie. 274 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: For weeks afterwards, we're walking around the house corn Riggs 275 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: and Barley Riggs. Yeah, it's it's unstoppable. I haven't seen 276 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: it in a good while, I should fire it up again. 277 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean, as for whether or not there is an 278 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: irony intended in the music, I mean, I certainly feel 279 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: a sense of irony in the music. I think a 280 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: lot of the pleasure of the movie lies in the 281 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: cheerfulness of the Pagans and it you know, uh, the 282 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: way Christopher Lee just kind of confidently booms out joyful 283 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: pronouncements in front of the crowds of of masked islanders. 284 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: It's uh that that's where a lot of the fun lies. 285 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: And I think the same that same spirit is there 286 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: in the jolly music. Like I feel like the sense 287 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: of irony it takes to appreciate the music in that 288 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: movie is exactly what the the supposed protagonist of the 289 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: movie lacks. When when you know, Christopher Lee says to him, 290 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: does the sight of the Young will refresh you? And 291 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's just a grump. He says, no, 292 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: it does not refresh me. All right. This next message 293 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: comes from Lee. Lie says, Hello, my friend a film 294 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: composer and I a sound designer, just finished listening to 295 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: your episode on Scary Music and loved it. We had 296 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts about the episode. We wanted to 297 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: share one in regards to the minor key being dissonant. 298 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: I theorized that the minor third doesn't occur in the 299 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: overtone series until very late. He wanted to point out 300 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: that children's music and modern pop uh tend to have 301 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: minor thirds because they're easier to sing. I'll have to 302 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: take your word for it on that, because I again 303 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: don't don't fully understand what that's referring to there. But 304 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: then this next point, I thought it is a great one. 305 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: Lee goes on. We were surprised you didn't mention the 306 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: d s ear a a four notes sequence, an octave displacement, 307 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: a broad distance between high pitches and low rumbles, common 308 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: in spooky films. These might be fun research tangents. Yes, 309 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: we can definitely come back to this, especially I've been 310 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: thinking about the DS era. So this is a four 311 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: notes sequence that you will recognize from Probably initially your 312 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: brain will lock onto it in one movie score, but 313 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: then you'll notice it all over the place, usually in dire, 314 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: dark kind of scenes, especially in horror movies. It comes 315 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: from medieval monks Chance, I think from from funeral Chance, 316 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: but it's used in all kinds of film scores. One 317 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: place it's very iconic is it's the first four notes 318 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: in the classic main theme to the Shining by Wendy Carlos. 319 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. You you hear versions of 320 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: that and a lot of different bits of film composition. 321 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: So I agree that could absolutely be something that's really 322 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: fun to explore in more detail in the future because 323 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: it has a lot of different It pops up all 324 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: over the place, and has interesting historical and religious themes 325 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: associated with it. Now you I think you mentioned off 326 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: Mike ear there that we also see this in the 327 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: Simpsons theme song or some version. Oh no, that's the 328 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: tri tone, that's the try tone. Okay. I was wondering 329 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: about it because, um, in a second, this particular listener 330 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: mentions another film that I'm pretty sure has Danny Elfman music, 331 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: and I was wondering if there's something about Danny Elfman's 332 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: music that is that tends to be inherently creepy. I 333 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: was just thinking about this because we just watched Beetlejuice 334 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: for the first time with with my son, and uh, 335 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 1: great first of it. Well yeah, well forty of so 336 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: the music is is is great but also my son 337 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: did not like the music. He in fact, he requested 338 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: that the movie be be turned down somewhat and subtitles 339 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: be put on because the music was too much for him. Uh. 340 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: He also was not particularly fond of the film. There's 341 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in Beetle Juice that doesn't really 342 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: hold up, you know, and it has that Uh Beetle 343 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: Juices is wildly inappropriate. Um the character he's not a 344 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: good ghost and he does not learn anything. Um. That 345 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: being said, there there there's a lot of interesting stuff 346 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: in the film. I did like the many of the 347 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: sets and costumes and some of the ideas well. It 348 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: was one of those confusing things where they made a 349 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: kid's cartoon out of it, which makes you just sort 350 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: of assume, if you haven't seen the movie in a while, 351 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: that it's appropriate for children. And I don't think it is, Like, yeah, 352 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: Beetle Juices. Beetlejuice is like a nasty, weird, unpleasant character. Yeah, 353 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: he's a creeper, you know, and he tries to take 354 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: a child bride. It's, um, it's it's a weird film. 355 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it does have one of those signature 356 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: Danny Elfman scores that um it, you know, moves along. 357 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: It seems to have a fair amount of energy, but 358 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: also uh, you know, feels kind of brooding and creepy. Well, 359 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I guess connecting to what you're saying. Lee also says 360 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: we also talked to another composer friend, and Edwards scissor 361 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: Hands is the closest we could come to a horror 362 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: flick that has a main theme and a major key. 363 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: I honestly don't remember it all what the music and 364 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Edward scissor Hands is like, but I mean it's definitely 365 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Danny Elfman. It is Danny Elfman. But but yeah, nothing's 366 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: coming to mind on that. I don't mean that as 367 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: an insult. I just mean I don't remember. I mean 368 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: I might be able to if you played it for me, 369 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: I might be able to guess that it that that 370 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: it is in fact a Danny Elfman score. They there's 371 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: a certain sound that's undeniable. I guess I tend to 372 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: think of a lot of kind of beeps and boops 373 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: and stuff. Is that the is that the music theory name? 374 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Annie Elfman score tends to sound 375 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: like a like like a weird black car riding across 376 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: a strange landscape. Um, that's or maybe it's just because 377 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: I've just heard it's I've I've so associated it with 378 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: Tim Burton films, So that's just kind of it, all right. 379 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: Before we move on to some weird how cinema stuff here, 380 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: I have a quick bit of listener mail from Discord. Yes, 381 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: yes we do. We do have the stuff to blow 382 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: your mind Discord. Um, it's always tricky to steer people 383 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: towards it because I think you need a link for it. 384 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: So if you want the link for the Discord, just 385 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: email us. You'll find the email address at the end 386 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: of this episode. Anyway, Fletch on Discord shares her Nay. 387 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: The hunter mentioned in today's episode on Weather and Ghosts 388 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: featured in an old BBC show, Robin of Sherwood, that 389 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: leaned pretty heavily into pre Christian British myth. It also 390 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: had Sean Connery's son Jason as a second incarnation of 391 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Robin in later seasons, and a young Ray Winstone as 392 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: Will Scarlett. The music for the show was done by Klanad, 393 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: the band in You was in before her solo career, 394 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: uh and they included a YouTube compilation of various bits 395 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: that featured her the Hunter. I had to look this 396 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: show up. It looks looks pretty fun. I noticed that 397 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: Richard O'Brien shows up in it and plays a wizard 398 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: for a number of episodes, and combine that with a 399 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: cool score, and I'm potentially interested. Looks like you can 400 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: you can access it via some streaming sides today. Well, 401 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to look up and see if I've 402 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: seen Jason Connery in anything. Looks like he was in 403 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: wish Master three. I didn't. I didn't see wish Master three. 404 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: That's so that's one where you don't even have the 405 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: original wish Master in it, right. I think that's one 406 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: where you get up. Yeah, you get a different a 407 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: different gen care actor in that they've perverted the original 408 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: spirit of wish Master the first. I the first wish 409 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: Master is worth watching for the first ten minutes or 410 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: so because it has this prologue that's uh, that's that 411 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: sets out to be this kind of um Arabian Nights 412 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: horror story where there's just like out of control gin 413 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: magic and people are transforming into bees and skeletons are 414 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: walking and uh, it has a really fun flavor to 415 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: it and you're you're watching and you're thinking this, this 416 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: is pretty great. I could I could watch this movie. 417 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: And then that ends and you're transported to just, you know, 418 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: your typical modern day horror movie environment, and it, you know, 419 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: it quickly gets a little bit repetitive and I need 420 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: to be smester to this thing and get us to 421 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: modern day l A two. I don't know which one 422 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: it is. That was too for sure. Yeah, so yeah, 423 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's one of those movies. But I highly 424 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: recommend the first ten minutes of wish Master. It's pretty fun. 425 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: Lots and lots of practical effects are thrown in there. 426 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: It's it's it's really cool. Jason Connery, however, is not 427 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: in it. Well I'm gonna have to check out this 428 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: hernad the Hunter link. Okay. This next message comes in 429 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: response to the Ghosts of the Wind and Rain episode. 430 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: This is from Ann and says, Hey, Robert and Joe. 431 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: I love the show. I've been listening for several years 432 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: and I've written in as well. I'm especially appreciative of 433 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: the six episodes a week format, so thank you. I 434 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: have a huge affinity for the paranormal, multicultural folk tales 435 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: and mythological creatures. I balanced these fanciful and supernatural topics 436 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: with your podcast, so whenever the scientific and fantastical elements meet, 437 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm all ears. In reference to your ghosts in the 438 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Wind and Rain episode, you question if there are skeptics 439 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: within the paranormal field. My answer is yes. Many of 440 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: the investigators and those who are interested in the topic 441 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: refer to themselves as quote open minded skeptics. They try 442 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: to find non paranormal explanations for paranormal events. Take that 443 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: approach how you will. Personally, I've never had any supernatural 444 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: experiences as far as I know. Uh. And then, on 445 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: a different topic, the monster Fact episodes are delightful. I 446 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: have a possible topic for you, the var Uh. I'm 447 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: sure how to say this, the Var Dogger or Var Tiger. 448 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Besides being a heavy metal Christian band from Norway, disease 449 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: of course, Uh is a Norwegian term for a spirit 450 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: predecessor of Vartigare is likened to an auditory dopple ganger 451 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: that occurs before the arrival of the person that is 452 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: being imitated. Thank you for all your research that you 453 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: put into your topics. The content is always engaging and 454 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: thank you for taking time to read my email and interesting. Yeah, 455 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with that one, but I'm always excited 456 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: to find out about new fulkloric creatures and monsters. Regarding 457 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: paranormal investigators who are skeptical of the reality of paranormal phenomena, 458 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: I guess it's true that that such figures must exist, 459 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: and you know, there are skeptics of various sorts who 460 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: dabble in this kind of thing all the time. I 461 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: guess we were wondering about if this is somebody's main gig, 462 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: if if they'd be likely to take a skeptical approach um. 463 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: And and one thing I know is that, though I 464 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: think this is not who you are talking about, there 465 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: are some people just a heads up, who, like I've 466 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: looked into before, who describe themselves as skeptics. But then 467 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: when you start listening to the stuff they're saying, they're 468 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: actually just full blown ghost realists. They're just like and 469 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: then there was a demon possession here, and you know, 470 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: and so they're just fully on board. But I guess 471 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: trying to get extra sort of cred by calling themselves 472 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: skeptical interesting. But I'm not saying that the people you're 473 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: talking about are like that. I'm just saying I know 474 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: there are people like that. I mean, I think a 475 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: part of it again comes down to the the entertainment 476 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: value of it. I think what we're talking about before, 477 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: like it seems like there's going to be a tendency 478 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: to lean into the idea of I want to believe. Uh. 479 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: You know how interesting a ghost hunter is that if 480 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: they have a poster on their wall that says, I, 481 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: I don't really want to believe, I don't believe, and 482 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: I don't particularly expect to find evidence supporting uh, the 483 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: existence of these things. Yeah, but I guess one of 484 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: the one of the things I should drive come and 485 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: drive driven this phone before is that I guess if 486 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: there's a balance of the two energies, you know, if 487 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: there's sort of a what if this is real? But 488 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: then you you base that. In fact, I think that 489 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: was one of the big failings of of the the 490 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: episodes of UM of Unsolved Mysteries that I watched when 491 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: I was a kid that would get into some sort 492 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: of paranormal topics where either they didn't or I certainly 493 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: don't remember them getting into the skeptical counter arguments. Um. 494 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Maybe they did, and it just did not have as 495 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: much of an effect on my young brain as the 496 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: as the what if arguments. But I felt like I 497 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: didn't encounter any kind of like proper skeptical reaction to 498 00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: these ideas until I was a grown person. I remember, well, again, 499 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: this is just going to be off kind of vague 500 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: memories mostly, but I remember them sort of coming out 501 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: both angles of some of these stories. But it felt 502 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: like at least through the uh, I don't know, music 503 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: and editing choices and stuff, and there was very much 504 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: a finger on the scale for whatever the weirder interpretation was, 505 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: because you know, it's more fun. Yeah, Actually it's not 506 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: necessarily more fun. It's just easier to make that side fun. 507 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: It takes more work to find the fun in in 508 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: naturalistic explanations. That's the moral of today's episode. There is 509 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: fun in naturalistic explanations for weird stuff. It's just you 510 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: just gotta work to find it. Now, here's a question 511 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: I and I I have not watched an episode of 512 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: Unseelf Mysteries in quite a long time. But of course 513 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: most of the content on Unsolf Mysteries was about unsolved mysteries. 514 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: They were about crimes perpetrated by humans, and the and 515 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: the a quest for justice, you know, asking people if 516 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: you have any information about these crimes, you know, called 517 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: in or write in. I forget how you know how 518 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: they were reaching out to who love viewers? But uh 519 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: in those cases they I don't remember them opening up 520 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: the vault and saying, um, we don't know if people 521 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: did this. It's possible they were aliens or big feet 522 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: as reference in our other episodes, we can't rule out 523 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: cryptids or aliens. Folks know those episodes tended to or 524 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: those of those uh sections of the of the show, 525 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: those those segments, they tended to be pretty sure that 526 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: humans were the were the reason that bad things were happening. Right, 527 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: So Robert Stack is narrating this event where I don't know, somebody, 528 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: some guy gets like a bag thrown over his head 529 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: and he's thrown into the trunk of a car, and 530 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: nobody knows where he disappeared to And what if it 531 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: was an elf that did that? Could have been an elf, 532 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: could have been a ghost. We don't, We don't know. 533 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: This is actually a really good idea for a reverse show. 534 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: We should keep this in the back pocket, or all 535 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: we do is explain very naturally explicable phenomena in terms 536 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: of bizarre supernatural occurrences. Yeah, I kind of want to 537 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: wish I could go back in time and um and 538 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: kind of prank call then number that they had. I 539 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: could have been like, yeah, I have information regarding that 540 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: missing person's case you profiled an episode, uh, you know, 541 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: three twenty two or whatever. I'll be like, God, yeah, 542 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: I think it's probably those alien beings capable of faster 543 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: than light travel because they can pretty much do anything, 544 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: so they probably were the ones responsible for that that kidnap. 545 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Dragger? Okay, we got one last 546 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: message about weird house cinema, Rob, Do you want to 547 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: do this one? Alright? Pat writes in you guys are 548 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the best. Thank you for Halloween three. Well we we 549 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: we can't take all the credit for Halloween three season 550 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: of the Witch. But I know what, I know what 551 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: Pat saying. Pa continues in the discussion, you mentioned the 552 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: lack of explanation from Michael Myers. I remember reading a 553 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: novelization of the movie that has a Solwin prologue which 554 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: explains that he is an ancient curse. This is true? 555 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: Is he is he a curse. I just said they 556 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: they get into that in later movies. I don't know 557 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: how clearly anybody came up with that idea, but by say, 558 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: the sixth movie, definitely. Maybe it's there in the fifth 559 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: one too, I'm not sure. Somewhere in those horrible later 560 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: sequels they start saying, oh, yeah, he's some kind of 561 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: ancient druid magic thing. I don't know. Okay, why did 562 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: they never do a lepri con crossover. That would have 563 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: been perfect? Oh that would have been good. Yeah, except 564 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: I think the leprechron sequels have so much more class 565 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: than the later sequels. Yeah, all right, Um, anyway, Pat 566 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: continues blood sacrifice to ancient Irish gods at the Autumn 567 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Festival is at the root season of the which provides 568 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: answers to the questions about Michael Myer's behavior. The sequel, therefore, 569 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: is an extension of the narrative. There is more than 570 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: a hint that the ancient Irish gods find modern Halloween 571 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: celebrations to be an insult. This is why the children 572 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: must be punished. Thanks ever so much for the wonderful entertainment, Pat. 573 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: So it's blasphemy. Tricker trading is blast for me? And 574 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: Michael Myers has been sent by the ancient Irish gods 575 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: to punish us. He's like a modern day Kuhlan who's 576 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: coming out. He's doing his warp spasm all the way 577 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: through the Halloween season to just embrace the modern, secularized 578 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: Halloween world with a knife, you know, low energy warp 579 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: spas um. Yeah. I think this is maybe a question 580 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: we're going to have to solve in some future Weird 581 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: House Cinema episode. We're gonna have to like fully track 582 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: down and systematize the mythology of the Halloween series and 583 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: figure out what order people came up with, what ideas, 584 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: and how it all fits together. I think it'll be brutal. 585 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: What's the what's the prevailing wisdom nowadays? Is he just 586 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: like a revenant? Or or maybe I guess Jason is 587 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: more of a revenant. What's Jason revenant? I don't know 588 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: what Michael Myers is, honestly, I mean, and I think 589 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: that's the best way. I mean that that's the spirit 590 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: of the original movie. Is like he's completely inexplic a bowle. 591 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't make any sense. It's just like, uh, it's 592 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: a terror from out of nowhere. And for no reason, 593 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: and that's what makes the first movie so good. Yeah, yeah, 594 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: I think the impulse to over explain is something that 595 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: must constantly be resisted by by sequel filmmakers. I mean, 596 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: how often when we when we find out the true 597 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: backstory behind whatever thing it was in the original movie 598 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: of some series, is that really satisfying? It's it's pretty rare. Yeah, 599 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: I can't come off offhand. I'm having trouble thinking of 600 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: an example of it ever ever really working or even 601 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: if it does work, Um, you know, you're creating something, 602 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: you end up creating something new, and you end up 603 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: taking people off, uh for example Highland or two. You 604 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: know a film that did. We both find a lot 605 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: of enjoyment, and I mean part of I think ultimately 606 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: they came up with a pretty good, uh sequel idea there. 607 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: I think that was a pretty good direction to go in. 608 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: But it's a direction that inevitably was going to take 609 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: off fans of the original because it was such a 610 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: diversion from what they knew, and that the first Thilander 611 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: film does have a lot of mystery. Why are their immortals? 612 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: And nobody knows? They just are and they do this 613 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: thing isn't it so much more fun to wonder about 614 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,959 Speaker 1: that question than to have it answered? Yeah, and then again, 615 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, especially today, you end up with 616 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: if something is popular, than fans are going to form 617 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: their own theories, and then if those theories don't turn 618 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: out to be true or partially true, then that can 619 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: also add to some of their discomfort with with a 620 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 1: piece of media. So yeah, the mystery is is often 621 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: the best. I mean, these are these are often creatures 622 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: and things that come out of the unknown, and that's 623 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: that's part of the fabric of what makes them interesting. 624 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: But I think we've already spoken and now it's Cannon. 625 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: He's co Colan and that can't be taken back. Uh. 626 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: The only way to defeat him is with the sting right, 627 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: That would be neat to the butt right right, Well, 628 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: I guess he would kill with the sting right to 629 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: the but that's that that would be the way it 630 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: would work. Yeah. Has he ever killed with a sting? Right? 631 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't think any of it think the major flashes 632 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: have killed with stingrays. There is a really profoundly troubling 633 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: lack of stingray presence in in modern horror films. I 634 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: mean you could do it too, because all you have 635 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: to do is have your slash or go to a 636 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: local aquarium where there are touch tanks. I mean there's 637 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: also potentially, at least in the movie, you can have 638 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: a shark tank there and shark versus Michael Myers or 639 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: versus Jason. I mean that that sounds fun. I would 640 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: probably watch that. Oh my god, it's the perfect perfect 641 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: franchise crossover, Halloween meets Deep bluesy Michael Myers versus super 642 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: smart sharks, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can get 643 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: behind the idea. Yeah, especially like what if they end 644 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: they have the brain of Jason. That's the thing. Is 645 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: that a smart brain. It's well, I don't know if 646 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: it's smart. It's it's it's very focused when it once 647 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: it gets going, it's hard to It doesn't let an 648 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: idea go disciplined. He's got sticktuitiveness. Okay, Jason has all 649 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: those job interview qualities. Yeah he does. Okay, I think 650 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: we gotta call it there. All right, We're gonna go Yeah, 651 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and close the book on this one. 652 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: But we'll be back next week with more listener mail. 653 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: On Monday followed by New Core episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays, 654 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: New Artifact or Monster episodes on Wednesday, and then on Friday. 655 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: That's weird, how cinema, that's our time to discuss a 656 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: strange film. Uh yeah, that's that's it. What what do 657 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: you have to add there, Joe? Nothing? Oh well wait, yeah, okay, 658 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: we can do that. Um. 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