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Speaker 1: That's crazy. I cannot believe it. But I am Tim

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Speaker 1: twenty and this is twenty in the Huddle podcast and

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Speaker 1: this week I am joined by Colton Pouncy does a

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Speaker 1: great job with the Athletic. Had a great piece in September,

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Speaker 1: so you can check out all his stuff on The Athletic.

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Speaker 1: back to the twenty Mahaddle podcast. The Man next to Me.

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Speaker 1: It's a little introduction. He is I'm on Ross Saint Brown,

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Speaker 1: the All Pro wide receiver, one of the best wide

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Speaker 1: I always love when you come on once a year here.

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Speaker 1: First off, happy blated birthday twenty six and you spent

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Speaker 3: Usually sometimes we don't get to spend because we have games.

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Speaker 3: So during this by, that was a perfect time. And

438
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,040
Speaker 3: you know, get that all that out the way and

439
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,879
Speaker 3: then just really, you know, get back to ball and

440
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,399
Speaker 3: and get on this last you know home stretch.

441
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Speaker 1: Was it a chill by for you? Did you get away?

442
00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was pretty cool. My girl through you know,

443
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Speaker 3: it was my birthday last Friday, so my girl threw

444
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,439
Speaker 3: me a surprise and me and like twenty of my

445
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,280
Speaker 3: friends and you know, their girlfriends and wives and whatnot,

446
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,920
Speaker 3: we went to Vegas.

447
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Speaker 1: And oh nice.

448
00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a blast. So it was fun.

449
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. All right. I'm gonna know you're seventh right

450
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,479
Speaker 1: now in receptions with fifty I think you're ninth in

451
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,480
Speaker 1: the NFL in yards, first in touchdowns. Do you feel

452
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,399
Speaker 1: like you're having one of your your better seasons? I mean,

453
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,679
Speaker 1: statistically you are, and we know where you end up

454
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 1: every year, but it just seems like from from some

455
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,800
Speaker 1: of the big catches, the big performances, it seems like

456
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,480
Speaker 1: you're on the top of your game right now.

457
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,520
Speaker 3: You know, I would like to think so. I just

458
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,080
Speaker 3: feel like this league there's so many guys, there's so

459
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 3: many good players, so many good receivers, and honestly, it's

460
00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,440
Speaker 3: like every year there's a feel like there's a couple

461
00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,080
Speaker 3: receivers that maybe you didn't think of there before that

462
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,679
Speaker 3: are you know, in the top five categories and stuff.

463
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Speaker 3: So that's something I feel like. This sport is so

464
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,880
Speaker 3: amazing because no matter what you've done the year before,

465
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 3: you got to prove it each and every year. And

466
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,160
Speaker 3: there's teams that are good the year before that aren't

467
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 3: good you know this year. There's teams that were good

468
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,720
Speaker 3: last year that are still good. I mean, there's so

469
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,760
Speaker 3: much parody in the NFL that even as a player,

470
00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 3: you gotta, you know, make sure you prepare each and

471
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,960
Speaker 3: every week throughout the offseason because each and every week.

472
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 3: I mean, guys are teams are game planning. If you

473
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 3: have a good week the week before, they're gonna do everything.

474
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,119
Speaker 3: They kin'd of stop you that next week. So it

475
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,359
Speaker 3: just gets harder and harder the better you play, and

476
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 3: so you know, you respect the guys that can do

477
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 3: it each and every week. And that's always been my

478
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 3: thing since I've been here, is I want to be consistent.

479
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 3: I want to be able to produce each and every year,

480
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 3: each and every week and help my team win.

481
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Speaker 1: And that's huge you because I think the receiver position

482
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 1: may be more than any other position. You're seeing guys

483
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,800
Speaker 1: step in and have an impact early in their careers

484
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 1: at Buko, who you saw a couple of weeks ago,

485
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: is a perfect example to your point. If you want

486
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Speaker 1: to stay up in the upper echelon of a receiver

487
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 1: that consistently is so huge, isn't it.

488
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Speaker 3: That's huge? I mean you look at a guy like

489
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. He does it. I mean each and every year,

490
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 3: each and every week, he's whether the team's winning or not,

491
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 3: feel like he's going out there and competing and he's

492
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 3: putting up your ards, he's moving the chains, he's scoring touchdowns,

493
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, Mike Evans. I mean, guys, I've been doing

494
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,479
Speaker 3: it for so long. It's that consistency. I think that

495
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 3: really separates them. They do it each and every year,

496
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 3: and so you know, for me, that's something I like to,

497
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,959
Speaker 3: you know, think myself at I want to, you know,

498
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: continue to be consistent and be there for my teammates

499
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: and most importantly win games. I think that's the biggest

500
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: thing we've been doing that. We've We've been doing a

501
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 3: pretty good job with that here in Detroit for the

502
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Speaker 3: past couple of years. So as long as we're winning, man,

503
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Speaker 3: I think everything else is going to take care of itself.

504
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Speaker 1: You're in that group though, of guys that you just mentioned.

505
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Speaker 1: I hope you know it was funny. I listened to

506
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Speaker 1: an interview with Kevin O'Connor the Minnesota Vikings said, coach,

507
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 1: you guys play on Sunday, and he said the exact

508
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: same thing. He's He was just like the consistency of

509
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 1: that guy just every week. When you hear that from

510
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: outside people, that that's got to make you smile because

511
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Speaker 1: that's what you were talking about, right, That's what you

512
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: want to be. That guy's one hundred catches. You guys

513
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 1: win football games every year and you're a big part

514
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Speaker 1: of that.

515
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, the player can be as consistent

516
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 3: as he wants, and you're gonna respect a player that's,

517
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Speaker 3: you know, putting up numbers stats playing well on Sundays.

518
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Speaker 3: But I think when you add you know, the team winning,

519
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: it's a whole nother factor. I mean, you remember guys

520
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: from teams that win and that are playing well, So

521
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing. I think winning cures everything. Winning

522
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 3: heals everything. And a team that's winning, I mean you're

523
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 3: gonna look at their players and be like, their players

524
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 3: are the other players that aren't winning, teams aren't winning.

525
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 3: So for us, you know, I think our team is

526
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 3: super unselfish. The guys that we have in our locker

527
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: room on our team, all we want to do is win.

528
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 3: No matter who's catching the ball, who's scoring the touchdowns.

529
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Speaker 3: We want to help, you know, whoever we can to

530
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Speaker 3: get open block and I think that's what makes us

531
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Speaker 3: so special. And so for us, it's like whatever we

532
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: got to do each and every week to win is

533
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Speaker 3: what we're gonna try to do.

534
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the celebration with with with Gibbs the Superman Spider

535
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Speaker 1: Man one. How did that one come about? And have

536
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Speaker 1: you seen the shirts and some of the stuff. Do

537
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: you own a shirt yet? Because I thought it was

538
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Speaker 1: the coolest thing. Jeff our photographer, I think, got a

539
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Speaker 1: great shot of it. Do you collect those things like

540
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: the photos, the shirts, all that kind of fun stuff

541
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Speaker 1: that comes from you guys in the fun times you

542
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Speaker 1: have once you guys get in the in zone.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so that that celebration actually came from

544
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 3: Jamire was his idea. Okay, he he brought it up

545
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: to me like two two three weeks ago. I think

546
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Speaker 3: it was maybe Bengals week or maybe even the week before.

547
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Speaker 3: But you know, I didn't score those two weeks. Jamier

548
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: scored I think one of those weeks, but he ended

549
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: up doing He had another celebration of mind that he

550
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: wanted to do, so he did that and so whenever

551
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Speaker 3: really got off, and I told, you know, I told Jimmy,

552
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: I reminded him money, and I said, if I scored,

553
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the six seven because it was my

554
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Speaker 3: six touchdowns. I had six touchdowns and I was my seven.

555
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Speaker 3: So I told Jimy, if I scored first I'm gonna

556
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Speaker 3: do that. But if I scored second one, we're gonna

557
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: do that celebration, I said. And if you score, we're

558
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: gonna do it right away. And so Jimmy's let's do it.

559
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: And so I scored the first one. I did the

560
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Speaker 3: six seven, and then you know, Jamier scored after that,

561
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Speaker 3: and I was like, I was running down because I

562
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Speaker 3: knew it was gonna happen.

563
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Speaker 1: Of course he had to run seventy Yeah, the celebration.

564
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm chasing him down. I'm like, here we go. And

565
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 3: so we got the celebration. I knew the picture of

566
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Speaker 3: regret it was.

567
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: It's a perfect shot.

568
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it actually just came out with my

569
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 3: own shirt too, of a low design too.

570
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Speaker 1: Really.

571
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, of that, you know that touchdown we had.

572
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Speaker 1: So I have where can people get it?

573
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: They can get it on Saint brownshop dot com. It's

574
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 3: a link is in my Instagram bio. But yeah, I

575
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: mean I have pictures on my phone. I wouldn'tay I

576
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: collect like, you know, memorabilia, but have all the pictures

577
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: on my phone. Yeah, celebration in the videos and stuff.

578
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Speaker 1: You guys take that seriously. Yeah, I mean you like it,

579
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: which I think.

580
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Speaker 3: It makes it fun. I feel like for me as

581
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 3: a kid growing up, I always wanted to celebrate when

582
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Speaker 3: I scored. Like I watched the NFL. I see Chad,

583
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: I see Deshaun Jackson. I see all these guys celebrating

584
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: when they score. And when I was a kid, I

585
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: was a pop one or they threw a flag for anything,

586
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 3: you can't celebration. I was like, oh, this is kind

587
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: of boring. Got to high school, couldn't you know celebrating,

588
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: I was like, it's still boring. College. I feel like

589
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: now in college, I celebrate more than they did when

590
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: I was there.

591
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Speaker 1: Getting a little better, right, Yeah, But when.

592
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Speaker 3: I was in college, it was like, you can't really

593
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: celebrate either as a flag. So I told myself, when

594
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: I get to the league and I scored, like, I'm

595
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: gonna make sure I have fun, Like I always want

596
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: to celebrate the end zone and do cool stuff and

597
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: funny stuff. And so now that I'm here, I mean,

598
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: we go so hard throughout the week. We're hitting each

599
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 3: other during the play, we're taking hits. So when we score,

600
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: as the time for eight, one.

601
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Speaker 1: Not far and you guys certainly do a couple more.

602
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: For you, I'm a ra look. Offensively, you guys are

603
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: the third in scoring, your eighth in total offense. But

604
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of guys on offense, and

605
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: you guys collectively feel like there's more left on the table, don't. Yeah,

606
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean that you guys haven't even reached your heights.

607
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: I know.

608
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: Third down is an erie. Dan Campbell talked about this week.

609
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Speaker 1: You're at thirty seven percent. I think last year around

610
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: forty seven. That's just kind of one statistically that that

611
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: that stands out. But do you guys feel like there's

612
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 1: still a lot more on the bone offensively?

613
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot more I think just

614
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: execution wise as an offense, I think we can be,

615
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: you know, a lot better. Third down is one of

616
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 3: the we know, one of those points that you know

617
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: we got to be better at and we will be.

618
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: But I think just in general, I think we've been

619
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Speaker 3: taking care of the ball pretty well. But other than that,

620
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: you know, third down, red zonef like we've gotten stopping

621
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Speaker 3: the reds one a few times and we get there.

622
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: We want to be one hundred percent with touchdowns, you know, No.

623
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Speaker 3: Three and now it's obviously that's big. Getting that first

624
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: first down then just being explosive. I think that's the

625
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: biggest thing. We want to be an explosive offense. I

626
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: mean those eighteen play drives, they're cool to have every

627
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: once in a while, but you'd rather not be out

628
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: there for eighteen plays because.

629
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Speaker 1: You'd rather be running chasing behind seven seven.

630
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: Y everyone's side, especially a line man. So just being explosive,

631
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: being you know, executing good communication. No you know, no penalties,

632
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: no negative plays, and I think you know, I think

633
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: we'll be just wind steered.

634
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: Playing at a you know, an all pro at an

635
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: MVP caliber level. I mean, second in completion percentage, second

636
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: in passer rating. I think he's third in touchdowns. Obviously

637
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: had to buy so he's going to be behind a

638
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: little bit for some of those guys that have played

639
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: eight games. Is that connection between you and him is

640
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: is so good and you guys have worked so hard

641
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: at it now it seems to be really paying off.

642
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: He's having a terrific year. You think he's in that

643
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: conversation for sure.

644
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: I think he's I mean with the he's and plays,

645
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 3: so he's top in the league in my in my eyes,

646
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: the way he you know, his time and his ball placement,

647
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: his command the offense, him taking care of the football,

648
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean, winning games, just everything that he's done this year,

649
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: even last year. Just since he's been here, I feel

650
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 3: like he's only gotten better each and every year. And

651
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: I think for us, I mean, he's without him, I

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Speaker 3: don't know what offense would look like. So we're we're

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Speaker 3: lucky to have him. He's he's won the best in

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Speaker 3: this league and as long as he's here. And for us,

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Speaker 3: I know, you know, I love for him to win

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Speaker 3: m v P when all those you know, all the

657
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Speaker 3: awards that he can. But I know the biggest thing

658
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Speaker 3: that he wants to do is when the super Bowl,

659
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Speaker 3: and that's I think what we all want to do.

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Speaker 3: And so that's the biggest thing is we just got

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Speaker 3: to keep you know, keep winning games and all the rest,

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Speaker 3: all the rest will come.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on the podcast, by the way, yeah, you and

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Speaker 1: you'll probably really do a good job with that. Who's

665
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Speaker 1: been the favorite guest so far this year?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. You know, we just had we

667
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Speaker 3: just had Michael Pittman on yesterday, so that's gonna come

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Speaker 3: out this week. I would say favorite guest this year.

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Speaker 3: I love having my dad on every year we do it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we do him once a year.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fun. Demo and Jamiir I mean I think

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Speaker 3: Demo is.

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Speaker 1: I had Demo on a couple of weeks ago. On

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Speaker 1: this one, Demo he's games on you.

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Speaker 3: You haven't, No, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: He's been dodging me.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to say something.

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Speaker 3: We gotta get him on. I love Demo. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I love Jamiir too, but Demo is just you know,

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Speaker 3: he cracks me.

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Speaker 1: He just he's a jokester, the driest humor ever, like

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Speaker 1: you don't see covid.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think the podcast great. So you can catch that.

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Speaker 1: You can catch him catching ball's Sunday against the Minnesota

688
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Speaker 1: Vikings at Ford Field. I'm on Ross Saint Brown, keep

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Speaker 1: this sing rolling. Appreciate you taking the time, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Twin Huddle podcast. I am now

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Speaker 1: joined by Kevin Seaffert. Does a great job covering the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings and the league for ESPN. Kevin's been doing

693
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Speaker 1: it at a high, high level for a long long time.

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Speaker 1: So you need any Minnesota Vikings information, he is your guy, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having Tim.

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Speaker 1: All Right, well let's talk about this one first off,

698
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Speaker 1: A little bit different situation we've been so used to

699
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. These two teams fighting right down

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Speaker 1: to the end of the year, terrific records, this meaning

701
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Speaker 1: the division championship. And this is a Minnesota Vikings team

702
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Speaker 1: that sits at three and four coming into this one,

703
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: just lost to the Chargers. I believe last week thirty

704
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Speaker 1: seven to ten, not their best outing. They said a

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Speaker 1: three and four. I don't want to say desperation in

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Speaker 1: week nine, Kevin, but do you get a sense that

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Speaker 1: this is kind of leaning toward that that must win

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Speaker 1: With nine teams in the NFC currently at five hundred

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Speaker 1: or better, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think a lot of their games are gonna be must wins.

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Speaker 4: If you look at their strength of schedule really starting

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Speaker 4: this week, moving to the end of the year, it's

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Speaker 4: the most difficult in the NFL according to ESPN's FPI

714
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Speaker 4: Football Power Index. And so whether it's playing the Lions twice,

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Speaker 4: whether it's playing the Packers twice, some of it has

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Speaker 4: to do with the division. They also play Baltimore with

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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson probably coming back, and so the Vikings have

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Speaker 4: gotten themselves in this position where there's they're gonna be

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Speaker 4: up against it pretty much every week starting this week,

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Speaker 4: but it's gonna be the case for the remainder of

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Speaker 4: the season.

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Speaker 1: I think, do you think JJ McCarthy can give them

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Speaker 1: a spark? What did you like about the first two

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Speaker 1: weeks there with him under center? Kevin O'Connell. Obviously, it

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Speaker 1: is a guy that that's kind of been the quarterback

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Speaker 1: whisper the last few years. Gonna get JJ back? Is

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Speaker 1: that a good thing from Minnesota? What'd you like about

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Speaker 1: him early in the season.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, and people in your area know this

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Speaker 4: from his time at University of Michigan. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: got some spunk to him now. Like that first game,

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Speaker 4: the opening game of the season for the Vikings on

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Speaker 4: Monday night and Cago like, he didn't play that great,

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Speaker 4: The whole team didn't play that great in the first

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Speaker 4: three quarters, and then he just leads this furious comeback

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Speaker 4: where he throws two touchdown passes, he runs for a

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Speaker 4: third off, a read option of all things that really

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Speaker 4: hasn't been in the Vikings playbook. And we saw that moxie,

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Speaker 4: We saw why he almost always wins as a starter

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Speaker 4: going back to high school. I think when the season began,

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Speaker 4: his teams going back to high school were like sixty

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Speaker 4: four and three and so like whether and obviously it's

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Speaker 4: not just because of him, but there's something to be

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Speaker 4: said when you play over that period of time, your

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Speaker 4: teams are always winning. And so we absolutely saw that competitiveness,

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Speaker 4: the ability to kind of raise things to the level

747
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Speaker 4: that's necessary. But following week it was it was again

748
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Speaker 4: pretty bad, and then he heard his ankle, and so

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Speaker 4: we really haven't seen a whole lot of him. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think he's played ninety five snaps, he's thrown maybe

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Speaker 4: thirty forty passes, tops didn't play at all last year,

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Speaker 4: obviously didn't even practice in the regular season because he

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Speaker 4: was not on IR the whole time, and then he

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Speaker 4: really hasn't practiced here for most of the past six weeks.

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Speaker 4: So we really haven't seen a ton of them. But

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Speaker 4: in terms of the things that I liked, I think

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Speaker 4: that's that's the number one thing. And I think just

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Speaker 4: in terms of his competitiveness and the rest of it

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Speaker 4: is it appears like he is a twenty two year

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Speaker 4: old trying to play NFL quarterback without a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of experience in college throwing the ball, and without a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of practice time, and so he's just he

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Speaker 4: needs to play and that's that's the bottom line with him.

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Speaker 4: And so there's going to be some development in real

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Speaker 4: time going on here for the remainder of the season.

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Speaker 4: And that's just the position they're in with him.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kevin looking at some of the statistics league

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Speaker 1: into this one. You talk about what Kevin or what

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy did have in college that was run game

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Speaker 1: at Michigan, and they did that a ton. Really uncharacteristic

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Speaker 1: seeing this Minnesota offense. I think of thirty four yards

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Speaker 1: rushing last week, the lowest in the league this year.

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Speaker 1: I think they ranked thirtieth, correct me if I'm wrong

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Speaker 1: in rushing going in the season. Really uncharacteristic. That's something

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Speaker 1: with JJ coming back and the inexperience you talked about,

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Speaker 1: that's got to get better for them, doesn't it. They've

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Speaker 1: got to support JJ a little bit better with that

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Speaker 1: run game.

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Speaker 4: You would have to hope. So Aaron Jones, who started

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Speaker 4: the year as their starting tailback, got hurt his hamstring

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Speaker 4: in the second week and he hasn't been. He just

782
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Speaker 4: got back last Thursday, so he missed four games and

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Speaker 4: so he's now back and that should help. Jordan Mason

784
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Speaker 4: actually has been a pretty good addition.

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Speaker 3: From San Francisco. I mean, he's.

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Speaker 4: A hard nosed runner, you know, a lot of yards

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Speaker 4: after contact. They've just had They've had a lot of

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Speaker 4: offensive line issues, a lot of injuries. First and foremost,

789
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Speaker 4: Christian Darisol has not always been able to finish games

790
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Speaker 4: because of his recovery from that ACL MCL he had

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Speaker 4: last year. Ryan O'Neill has been in and out of

792
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Speaker 4: the lineup because of a sprained MCL. They lost their center,

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Speaker 4: Ryan Kelly. He's had two concussions already this year and

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Speaker 4: now he's on IR and they they're using a converted

795
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Speaker 4: guard in Blake Brandell at center. And so there hasn't

796
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Speaker 4: always been you know, certainly not the ideal situation at

797
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Speaker 4: offensive line in some cases just a really leaky one.

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Speaker 4: And so that's a little bit of the of the

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Speaker 4: running game issues. And the other part is, you know,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned Kevin O'Connell earlier, and he has done great

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Speaker 4: things in the passing game, and that's kind of his

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Speaker 4: philosophy and you know, I think he would have to

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Speaker 4: make a significant turn in terms of like just committing

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Speaker 4: to the run from a play calling perspective, from a

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Speaker 4: game planning perspective, from a scheme perspective for it to

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Speaker 4: make a sort of a material difference here. And it's

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Speaker 4: probably what they're gonna need. I mean, if they're going

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Speaker 4: to ask JJ McCarthy to do the same thing that

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Speaker 4: they were asking Carson Wentz to do here in the

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Speaker 4: past five games, where they asked Sam Darnold to do

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Speaker 4: last year or Kirk Cousins before that, then that's going

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Speaker 4: to only add to the level of difficulty that they're

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Speaker 4: already asking of him.

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Speaker 1: Ken, what do you think is a key matchup for

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Speaker 1: Minnesota heading into this game Sunday? They go in Detroit

816
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Speaker 1: upset the Lions get back to five hundred if they

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Speaker 1: do what really well Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not dissimilar from some other times and other

819
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Speaker 4: opponents against the Lions, But the past few games the

820
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Speaker 4: Vikings have been really had a hard time against the run.

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Speaker 4: Their run defense has just been really bad. Their pass

822
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Speaker 4: rush has not been able to get through either, and

823
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Speaker 4: so there's been a lot of time for people to

824
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Speaker 4: get open, but against the Lions, and this has been

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Speaker 4: the case in several of their matchups. Like if they're

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Speaker 4: not able to stop the run against the Lions, which

827
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Speaker 4: they haven't been able to do here in the past

828
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Speaker 4: few games, then they're going to be in for a

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Speaker 4: long day. And so I think that's the first matchup

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Speaker 4: I'll look at is if their interior. You know, they

831
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Speaker 4: went out and signed Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave to

832
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Speaker 4: be new defensive tackles for them. Those guys have had

833
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Speaker 4: kind of mixed results, and they've been using a lot

834
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Speaker 4: of younger players to mix in there. A guy named

835
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Speaker 4: Jalen Redman has actually been a fine He was in

836
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Speaker 4: the XFL a few years ago and now he's here

837
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Speaker 4: in the NFL. But for the most part, they've struggled

838
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Speaker 4: to to stop teams from running the ball, especially when

839
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Speaker 4: they're not ahead. I mean that that's the other part

840
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Speaker 4: of their defenses. Last year they led the league and

841
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Speaker 4: plays defensively when they have the lead, and there's certain

842
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: ways you can play when you have the lead that

843
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: you can't win you're trailing or tied, and so they

844
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Speaker 4: haven't had that nearly as much either. But the first

845
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Speaker 4: thing I'll be looking at is to see if the

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Speaker 4: Vikings can stop the Lions running game. If they can't

847
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Speaker 4: do that, it's hard to imagine that anything else will

848
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Speaker 4: will be successful for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, then they get into some situations

850
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: where they get teams behind the sticks. They're so good

851
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Speaker 1: obviously lead the league with im blitz percentage of forty

852
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: two percent. They can get after the quarterback. But in

853
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Speaker 1: order to do that, Kevin, we both know you got

854
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Speaker 1: to stop the run first so you can get into

855
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: those favorable situations. That's what they want to do, right.

856
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Speaker 1: They want to get you in second long and third

857
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: and long. They want to double a gap blitz look

858
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Speaker 1: and they want to come after you. And but they've

859
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Speaker 1: got to get to that point, right, Yes.

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Speaker 4: And the other part against the Lions at least is

861
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 4: they you know, they when they're in those situations, they

862
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 4: like to try to create you know, whether it's dropping

863
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: out of the last second or they're gonna blitz. They're

864
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: not gonna blitz Harrison Smith's on the line now, he's

865
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Speaker 4: dropping back into a cover two or something. And so

866
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: they like to try to confuse the quarterback essentially, and

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Speaker 4: Jared Goff has not been one who's been susceptible to that.

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Speaker 4: He's seen it before. He's a veteran guy and a

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Speaker 4: smart quarterback, as you know, and it definitely works on

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Speaker 4: some of the younger quarterbacks that you face. But that's

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Speaker 4: been something that they've also not had as much success

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Speaker 4: against with the Lion again when they play the Lions

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Speaker 4: as some other teams. Is that I think Jared Goff

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Speaker 4: is way above the curve in terms of figuring out

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Speaker 4: some of those mental games that the Vikings defense plays.

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Speaker 1: To your point, one hundred and twenty eight is golf's

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Speaker 1: passer rating this year when he's blitzed so good point

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Speaker 1: by you. He's great at identifying it, seeing it and

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Speaker 1: getting the ball out of his hands. And that young

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Speaker 1: offensive line in Detroit's playing pretty well to what's maybe

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Speaker 1: a key matchup we talked about the run game. Is

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Speaker 1: there maybe an individual matchup?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: I know last year that Week eighteen game Meek Robertson

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Speaker 1: versus Justin Jefferson was such a terrific matchup for Detroit.

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Speaker 1: They had to get that performance from a Meek and

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Speaker 1: and they did. Those two will probably see each other

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Speaker 1: again this week with with DJ Reid not expected to

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Speaker 1: be back this week for the Lions, is there one

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Speaker 1: that jumps out to you maybe that that's important?

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Speaker 4: You know, I would say, you know, whether you know,

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Speaker 4: whether you want to say Kelvin Shepard or whoever, like

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Speaker 4: is sort of coming up with the defensive scheme, you know,

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Speaker 4: when you have a young quarterback like JJ McCarthy, I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're they're trying to find ways to give him easy

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Speaker 4: throws and easy answers against whatever the Lions do. But

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Speaker 4: the Lions, you know, this is not their first rodeo

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Speaker 4: against the young quarterback, and they'll have a lot of

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Speaker 4: things up their sleeve as well. So how much you know,

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Speaker 4: because JJ hasn't played and like you know, we're looking

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Speaker 4: at almost seven weeks now, and so he's just in

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Speaker 4: terms of like getting into the rhythm and timing of

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Speaker 4: the NFL speed of the game, like all that is

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Speaker 4: like kind of back.

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Speaker 3: To square one.

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Speaker 4: And so there are a lot of things that I

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Speaker 4: could foresee the Lions trying and maybe succeeding at when

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Speaker 4: they're facing a quarterback with the inexperienced level of JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: And so from an offensive perspective, you know how much

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Speaker 4: is McCarthy going to be able to sort of sift

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Speaker 4: through that and get the vikings to where they need

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Speaker 4: to be. And not only like mentally, because I do

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Speaker 4: think he's pretty good. He knows the offense, and I

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Speaker 4: think he's pretty good at reading defenses, but there just

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Speaker 4: hasn't been a lot of opportunities for him to quickly

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Speaker 4: process that into action, and so he's been laid on

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Speaker 4: some throws. He's been, you know, a little hesitant to

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Speaker 4: make to make the decision until the receiver pops open,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes that's too late in terms of the timing

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Speaker 4: of this offense. So I'll be interested to see, like

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Speaker 4: the extent to which the Lions try to attack JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 4: they just sit back and wait for him to take

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Speaker 4: the safe plays or will they try to take even

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Speaker 4: take those away and see if he makes a mistake

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Speaker 4: looking elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: It should be a fun matchup. Injury wise, Minnesota is

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Speaker 1: pretty good shape. Anything of concern heading in.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're getting healthier. You know, I think they

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Speaker 4: expect both of those tackles that I talked about, Christian

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Speaker 4: darasan Brian O'Neil to be able to play the one

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Speaker 4: The one injury issue that we're still tracking is Andrew

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Speaker 4: Van Ginkel, who's been a really successful, you know, pass

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Speaker 4: rusher and just all around defensive player for them last

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Speaker 4: year and really hasn't played a whole lot this year

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Speaker 4: because of my neck injury, and he's not on injury reserve,

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Speaker 4: he's going through practice on a limited basis. That's one

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Speaker 4: that that may or may not be able to get

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Speaker 4: to fruition in time, but he's the guy to keep

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Speaker 4: an eye.

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Speaker 3: On this week.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Kevin, appreciate you, as always do such a great

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Speaker 1: job covering everything Minnesota, vikings for ESPN and safe travels

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Speaker 1: up to Detroit. We'll see you on Sunday, my friend,

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Speaker 1: Hey

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Speaker 4: Tim, thank you,