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Speaker 1: What are we even doing?

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Speaker 2: What are we even doing?

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Speaker 1: We're here talking with Alana? Oh harleah? Did I pronounce

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Speaker 1: that properly? Thank you very much. On the podcast, this

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Speaker 1: is what are we even doing? I'm Kyle McLaughlin, your

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Speaker 1: host for the evening. We are going to talk with actors, photographers, musicians,

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Speaker 1: creatives of all types and you fit many of those categories. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And we're going to just discuss about the creative process,

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Speaker 1: which is very interesting to me. So buckle up, hang on,

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Speaker 1: here we go. What are we even doing?

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Speaker 3: What are we even doing?

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome, Welcome Alana. It's so nice.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is so fun. I'm so glad. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, I wanted to ask you something. What

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Speaker 1: is your core memory when you realized that you were

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Speaker 1: going to do what you're doing now? Was there a

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Speaker 1: moment in your life? Was it a culmination?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I think that there was a scary moment when I

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Speaker 4: dropped out of college okay, where I said to myself,

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Speaker 4: I have to make this work and I don't have

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Speaker 4: a backup plan, and for me, backup plans are hindering.

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Speaker 3: So that moment was scary.

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Speaker 4: And I made sure in that moment I would do

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Speaker 4: whatever it takes to make it happen. Basically, I was

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Speaker 1: You had a passion. I'm guessing so there was something

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Speaker 1: you really wanted to do. Yes, I'm guessing photography or

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Speaker 4: I went to school for Photo and Media Studies persons okay,

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Speaker 4: okay for year and a half, and then I dropped

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Speaker 4: out because basically they have this rule where if you

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Speaker 2: So I said, that's really harsh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's intense.

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Speaker 1: That's really harsh, especially for a creative Yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: But I started working, so I started getting gigs and

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Speaker 4: start missing some classes. Is that okay? And they basically

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Speaker 4: said no. And then I dropped out. And then I

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Speaker 4: started doing a bunch of other steps that kind of

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Speaker 4: got me where I am now.

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Speaker 3: But that moment was the kind.

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Speaker 1: Of that was a turning point for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the catalyst the universe.

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Speaker 1: Was maybe speaking to you. I'm thinking, just because you

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Speaker 1: are already doing what you love to do and you

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Speaker 1: have a very specific way of working that is yours

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about specifically about your self portraiture, Yes,

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Speaker 1: which I find fascinating for a number of reasons. Obviously

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Speaker 1: your expression of you. It fulfills a need, but it's

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Speaker 1: also part of your process for other work that you do.

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Speaker 4: My Self portraiture is my art, Okay, That's how I

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Speaker 4: see it. That's how I move that part of my brain,

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Speaker 4: that's how I move that muscle in my body, which

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Speaker 4: is so important to the rest of my work. Because

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Speaker 3: Very convoluted, very stressful.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes your vision can get watered down sometimes, which is

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Speaker 4: what you have to do sometimes to pay the rent.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately understood, which I bet you probably I understand.

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Speaker 1: I understand your.

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Speaker 4: Career and your incredible career that I adore so much.

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Speaker 3: I'm such a big fan of you, seriously.

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Speaker 1: So kind of really, I feel like we have this

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Speaker 1: kindred thing. Certainly a great appreciation for my mentor David

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Speaker 1: Lynch and his process, and from your work, of course,

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Speaker 1: I can see so much of the influence there, and

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Speaker 1: I think so much of the artist's way. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think in your work, where it's very pure, it's very specific,

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Speaker 1: it's very you. Yeah, you know, and I think, as

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Speaker 1: because it's coming from me.

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Speaker 4: I love David May rest in peace. Oh I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I'm so sad. I never got to meet him, but

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Speaker 4: then he passed away on my birthday, yes sixteenth, yes,

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Speaker 4: this year, and then I shot you what two months later.

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Speaker 4: It was just such a weird kismet full circle experience.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, the self portrature fills that void that I

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Speaker 4: get from doing the commercial work. I found that in

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Speaker 4: life and in my work, you should exploit your imperfections,

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Speaker 4: and that's kind of what I do with the characters

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Speaker 1: Very very similar. You're absolutely right, and that's the inspiration,

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Speaker 1: I think. And he follows his own path one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Just completely dedicated to that. And he lived the artist's life,

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Speaker 1: you know, which is always what he wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: But the purity of me, I'm like, how do you

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Speaker 4: get to that point to be able to say this

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Speaker 3: Do you get to that point?

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Speaker 1: He had a very gentle way of doing it most

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Speaker 3: I'm so curious how did he do that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as an outside observer, I would watch

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Speaker 1: He just follows what's inside with no judgment, which is

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Speaker 1: where I think there's a similarity there. You you were

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Speaker 1: also and you said it before, with your imperfections. There's

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Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing. When you approach a character,

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Speaker 1: there is no judgment. You have to understand who that

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Speaker 2: Where is there a place where that might have come

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, what what do you think? Oh God, I.

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Speaker 3: Went to Catholic school for nine years. I really did. Okay,

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Speaker 4: No, but there's there's a rebellious spirit within me that

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Speaker 3: Six, when you're little, yeah, okay, when I.

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Speaker 4: Was in Catholic school and I was told this is Jesus,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that is, right, but I am

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Speaker 3: looking for me.

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Speaker 4: It's not God personally, but that kind of rebellious spirit

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Speaker 1: I think, because I feel like you do approach a

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, because you're so I like things to be messy,

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Speaker 2: Well, I really so, You're like, it's like a journey.

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Speaker 1: And I have wonderful help I have wonderful helpers.

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Speaker 3: It's it's so good. It's true.

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Speaker 4: The Internet wants you to be honest, and I think

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Speaker 4: for me, the best work is the most intimate work.

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Speaker 4: So how do I find that intimate place in me,

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Speaker 4: whether it's from my childhood, or it's from a breakup,

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Speaker 4: my next character? And it's either I'm going to find

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Speaker 4: the past however many decades exaggerate that to the nth degree,

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Speaker 3: Make it the most insane, crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: But it's ritualistic. Yeah, it's a ritual.

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Speaker 2: What it is.

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Speaker 3: It is It's like therapy.

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Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, therapy for me, but it's a healthy therapy.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're getting this out in your art.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Another part of what I do with the characters is

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Speaker 4: about that type of person, that type of character by

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Speaker 3: Like a Karen do you know?

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Speaker 1: Is I do? I do? I know?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the actress process. You're talking about the

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Speaker 2: I think, okay, so I should just change careers.

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Speaker 1: No, well, do everything you can, you can do anything,

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Speaker 1: But I feel like that's part of it, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: there are I mean, I remember studying years ago Laura

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Speaker 1: went to a class Sounder seacat class. Yeah, Sounder has

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Speaker 1: a ritual, which is, you know, you have music, you

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Speaker 1: have symbols, you have movement, but it's all done in

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Speaker 1: you mean call the process takes you deeper. And I

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Speaker 1: see in your in your work. It's like I can

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Speaker 1: see you built a ritual. And then and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I've never been there when you've done one of the

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Speaker 1: film this, there's someone who's filming you.

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Speaker 3: I guess, well, I either have a chord, so.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's even just okay.

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Speaker 3: We'll have it.

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Speaker 1: So it's just you.

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Speaker 3: It's a shutter Okay. When I started, it was just me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, when I started, it was just me or me

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Speaker 4: it is put him to work, yeah of course, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you still feel completely it's still my vision.

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Speaker 4: I think it's it is ritualistic. And when you speak

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Speaker 3: It's a blessing.

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Speaker 4: Because I think seventy of being successful as a creative is.

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Speaker 1: You already have a sense of character. Yeah, when we

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Speaker 4: So they don't tell me until about twelve hours before.

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Speaker 3: Get to shoot.

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00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 4: People become shorter and shorter and shorter because the content

445
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 4: clients require is so robust.

446
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I need a lot.

447
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 4: Budgets get tighter, timing gets tighter.

448
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the demand is high.

449
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 1: Well, there's the constraints.

450
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 4: When I shot you, I was like to my assistant,

451
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 4: I said, listen, I would rather have twenty minutes to

452
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 4: just chat with him over shooting him.

453
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 3: That would be my preference. And now look at where

454
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 3: we are.

455
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: Here, we are it worked out, It worked out beautiful.

456
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: I got both.

457
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: You were fast, and you were very particular and you're

458
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: very specific. Yes, and I just and I love the

459
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: way you spoke in terms of because what you do

460
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: is obviously you have the photos and then you work

461
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: with them and you use the textures around, other things

462
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: around to enhance the photo, which I think is just brilliant. Yes,

463
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: I love that.

464
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Speaker 3: I love to plan.

465
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love to.

466
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: Make a story. I love to use the set. Yeah,

467
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 3: vital Yeah, this the sets are insane incredible. Where did

468
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: you shoot dune?

469
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: Dune was all shot in Mexico, well, Mexico City, on

470
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: sound stages there at old sound stages from the way back.

471
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: The Churubusco Studios. They were so beautiful. That's so beautiful. Yeah,

472
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: you have to shoot there. They're spectacular.

473
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 4: Like if I could direct a movie, it would be

474
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Speaker 4: all on a sound stage.

475
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, painted, hand painted.

476
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: This is exactly what we did because they brought in

477
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: crafts people of Mexican crafts people, Italian crafts people, and

478
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: they built these giant, practical sets. These were not things

479
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: that moved around our little corners. These were like giant

480
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: sets that they actually built inside giant studios. It's dream

481
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Speaker 1: So the patina was insane as an.

482
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Speaker 3: Actor, as the best actor, do you.

483
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 4: Have a different I guess experience with a physical set,

484
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 4: a practice set, then green screen the screen.

485
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really helps.

486
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

487
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: Fairly recently we shot Fallout, the first season to Fallout,

488
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: and we had a thing called the volume stack. Yeah yeah,

489
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: lovely lovely, lovely guy. And this was a projected or

490
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: computer screen backdrop. So it's just a million screens slaves

491
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: together to make whatever vista they've programmed.

492
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Speaker 3: How big is it huge?

493
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: It's a sound stage. Yeah, it's just it's like a

494
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: jumbo tron wrapped around the sound stage, or at least

495
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,479
Speaker 1: to three quarters of a sound stage.

496
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: Could you see it?

497
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you can see it. There's a there's the

498
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: main camera, and then everything is to the resolution for

499
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: the main camera, and then they have a couple of

500
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: slave cameras, but they have to stay within the confines

501
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: because as that camera moves, because it takes so much power.

502
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: It's a very cool thing and so you feel like

503
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: you're in this world, which as an actor. Look around.

504
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 4: You're so good at using the future to your advantage

505
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: and learning it. You're around the same age as my father,

506
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 4: and he learned.

507
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: Forty five.

508
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: He doesn't super young.

509
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 4: But I think I wonder what the conversations are with

510
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: you and your friends around social media.

511
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: My friends, my age. Yeah, it's it's different. Yeah, my brother,

512
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: it's so weird because I think of it as a

513
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: it's a creative playground, you know what I mean. Like

514
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: for me, this is kind of what it's like if

515
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm not working, I'm like, oh, I want to let's

516
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: let's do something fun, let's make and and some great

517
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: ideas come from from Anne and Mya and Nora from

518
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Speaker 1: Full Pictures. Oh yeah, they're they're critical.

519
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, huge fans of you too.

520
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: They're critical.

521
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 3: That's fat can we have a meeting? What else do

522
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: you guys know about?

523
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 4: Like that one that one photo of you on the

524
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: floor with your legs out with the.

525
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: With the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it is. That photo

526
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: will live forever, thank you.

527
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: That was That is a forever picture. Yeah, it is.

528
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: It's sent around in group chats. It's very very popular.

529
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: Memes are meming.

530
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the memes are very much meming. But I think

531
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 4: it's it's so important.

532
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: They're brilliant, They're they're super brilliant.

533
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: How long have you guys been working together?

534
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: How long have you been? Kyle is my work dad

535
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: to two years.

536
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: But like honestly since two thousand and six.

537
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to do it for a long time.

538
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: We have. We go way way back, but we start

539
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: all through my wife. She's the she's the mastermind. Is

540
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: how could one not be obsessed with Jack Nicholson. I'm

541
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: curious to hear what what's the appeal there for you?

542
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: What's the what's the connecting point? Is there? Is it one?

543
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: At first I think it was just the last thing.

544
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: Probably the first time I saw him, I was probably

545
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: just set, you know, like holy you know, this man

546
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: is gorgeous and then I got into the discography, if

547
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: you will, of Jack and and and Stanley, and then

548
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 4: Cuckoo's Nest and obviously the Shining, which is if I

549
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: were to do a letterbox top four, which you've done.

550
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a good one.

551
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: It's very hard.

552
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: That's a great one.

553
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 4: That for me is like I know for a fact,

554
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 4: without a doubt, he would be up there. But this

555
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: is what I think about movie stars sometimes. I think

556
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: sometimes when you become a movie star movie star exclamation point,

557
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 4: it's hard to get people to separate you from the

558
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: character unless you're really good. And I think he is

559
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: really good at that. I think that I can see

560
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: him in any villain that he plays or hero Cuckoo's Nest.

561
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: I think he plays a hero and believe him and

562
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: not know.

563
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: That it's Jack.

564
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 4: I've never met him, I know his family. I don't

565
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: ever want to meet him, you.

566
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Know, it's like, don't meet your heroes.

567
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: Don't meet your heroes. Except for when I met you.

568
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: There's been a couple of good experiences, handful, maybe five.

569
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: I'll bet he would actually be the real deal. Yeah, complicated, certainly,

570
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 1: but I agree with you.

571
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: You might end up getting married and divorced in the

572
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: first month, nobody knows.

573
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: There you go, but just you know that just more

574
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: life experience exactly. You know. There's there are some actors

575
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: you know that come in and they have the thing

576
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: and they want to do it a certain way and

577
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: that's the way they're going to do it, and that's it.

578
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: Jack's not like one of those people come in and

579
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: he works and he's like, I can do it like this,

580
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: or we can go all that way, we can go

581
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: this way over here, or we can do this like this.

582
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: And when you look at his early performances, thinking back

583
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: to like easy writers, certainly five Easy Pieces as well,

584
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorites, et cetera, et cetera,

585
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I keep going back to this side

586
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: of character, creating a character, finding that inside of you.

587
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the vulnerability and five easy pieces,

588
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: some of the brava, the brashness, and five easy pieces

589
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: like this all Jack, you know, but he lets that out.

590
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of actors, I think, certainly from

591
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: that generation that want you to see them a certain way,

592
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I think, and I think.

593
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: It's worse now maybe, but that's you tell me you're

594
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: never than me.

595
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: I can't exactly, but I think the coming generations is

596
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: exciting because and I go back to social and social

597
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: internets and there is a this is me, Timothy, It's

598
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: just is me. Is who I am? You know what

599
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean? And you know I mean. He's careful about

600
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: what he puts out of.

601
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But he is honest.

602
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: He's honest and you can see that. I think so,

603
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's why you were drawn to him

604
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: as well.

605
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: Part of what makes you successful, But I think part

606
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: of that has to be not caring so much about

607
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: how you're perceived. And I think the more that you care,

608
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: the more invested you get with your perception, the worse

609
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: the work will be.

610
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: You've said it perfectly. I agree with you.

611
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: It's like Jack, let go of that, and maybe that's

612
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: why the work is so good. How do you let

613
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: go of that and just become open. I have always

614
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: been a confident person. I believe it, but I have

615
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: a lot of friends that I love and adore that aren't.

616
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: You can't help someone find that, Yeah, you have to

617
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: find that on your own.

618
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: You are confident, You are confident, and yet you know

619
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: you can be nervous, you can be uncertain, you know,

620
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: all those kind of things, but ultimately you believe I'll

621
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: just let me be here, yeah, and that andres will

622
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: be present. Let's be present. That's the best acting. Be present. Listen, talk, listen, Yeah,

623
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: and be present.

624
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: But isn't it hard to be present when you're thinking

625
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: about the next line.

626
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: If it's well written, that line makes sense if you

627
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: said something and then and I'm present, and then it's

628
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: like you would trigger something in me to make that's

629
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: the line that I need to say now. And you

630
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: learn them, of course, you learn them, you know, and

631
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: then you kind of let them dance, you know, because

632
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: I believe it a writer. I love what writers do

633
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: when they say when they write something that's kind of

634
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: awkward to me, and I'm like, I like that because

635
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: I would like to say it this way. This is

636
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: the way Kyle would say. I'm like, you're not Kyle

637
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: in this moment. Let's let's let whatever that line is

638
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: tweak you in a certain way and maybe that'll you'll

639
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. You know. It's so hard to do,

640
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: and I haven't. It took me a while, you know,

641
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: when I first started this, none of this was like

642
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: making sense to me, or I was just too scared

643
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: and then unscared. I just I don't know, I don't know.

644
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I think I just got older and I just said,

645
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't care anymore, you know,

646
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: And it's a weird way you sort of lose that

647
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: math whatever.

648
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: Another blessing and a curse is when you don't care anymore. Yeah,

649
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: it's it's nice to feel fear. Yes, Like it was

650
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: nice for me to have a little bit of nerves

651
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: coming here today. Yeah, you know, because I haven't felt

652
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: nervous in a minute. And it feels good to be

653
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: nervous because it feels like you're growing.

654
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: You should always do something that you just you don't

655
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: really think you don't want to do. You don't think.

656
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: You do, and I think that's legendary to just do

657
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: something if you're scared of it.

658
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

659
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: Anyways, and I want to try your wine.

660
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: You will.

661
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: I know that I have one there, but I've recently become.

662
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if you were a red red wine

663
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: drinker or a white wine.

664
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm white and orange, okay, perfect, I have my short

665
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: yeah for you.

666
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like irish and Hawaiian.

667
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: And seeing combination.

668
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

669
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: So my dad's Irish okay, and then my mom a Hawaiian,

670
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: which is a mix of like Malaysian, Korean, all.

671
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: Of these different things, okay.

672
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: And that's my nationality, not that anybody asked. In Marina

673
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: del Rey, they lived on a boat. Yeah, and then

674
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: they had me, and then they had to move.

675
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Off the boat.

676
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: The sailboat.

677
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Both life is nice boat life.

678
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: I would love to find some sort of calmness in

679
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: my life like that.

680
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

681
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: One day.

682
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Was he born here?

683
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad was born here and then lived in

684
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: Ireland in the States. Because I told you my grandpa

685
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: was on two episodes.

686
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Of Twin Peaks. You did not tell me that.

687
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: Well, we had twenty minutes. There was a lot going on,

688
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, you did tell me that he.

689
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: Was an actor and he was on two episodes of

690
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: Twin Peaks. Towards the end he played one of the

691
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: villains and he gets blown up in the bank.

692
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, remember that's him.

693
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: Oh my funny world, that's yes, that's my grand grandfather, Okay,

694
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 4: Dan Harley and then the creative Yes, I think from him.

695
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: From him, he was a Thespian and my uncle also

696
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: was in it too. Another villain okay, redheaded Irish guy.

697
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

698
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: Anyways, small worlds and now and now we're besties, yes,

699
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: and we are and neighbors.

700
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: Yes, we are and neighbors too.

701
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

702
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are neighbors, which is even better.

703
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: I found that out when I went and dropped off

704
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: that print, which.

705
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Was lovely you do, oh my god. Of course, very very.

706
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: Sweet physical media.

707
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: You took a beautiful photo and then framed it and

708
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: dropped it off. It's very very kind. Yeah.

709
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: I love physical media. I love things that you can touch.

710
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: With all of this, it's nice to balance it out and.

711
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: That means something. Yeah, Like I think a gift from

712
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: something that's important to you that you give to someone

713
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: lives on.

714
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It was such an honor. Yeah, yeah,

715
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: to shoot you. It really was, thank you.

716
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: But I just shot in New York. Margaret Quality. She

717
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: was fabulous. If I when I directed my I would

718
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: love to put her in it. She was super inspiring

719
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 4: and I love her choices as well. I think the

720
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: substance was great. I think if I were to direct

721
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: a film, it would be maybe my short film would

722
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: be the movie Horror on purpose, you're gonna.

723
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: Call it horror on purpose? That would be the title.

724
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: No, No, I have so many in my notes up,

725
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: I have so many different ideas, but I think it

726
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: would probably be horror, thriller, maybe mystery combined.

727
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: Let's play a game.

728
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: It's not a clean xtbox but kind of like it's

729
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: sort of a reference to the movie seven You're em

730
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: with bad pits in the box, something not pretty pleasant. Yeah,

731
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: these are just some some questions and some things to

732
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: think about, you know, so whatever, and they will they will,

733
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: they will inspire some kind of a idea, Yeah, an

734
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: idea that we can talk about.

735
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: But Kyle will do it too.

736
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: Trade offs like it kind of looks like the burn book.

737
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: Me.

738
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: Girl's a little bit that extremely right, it's very fetch.

739
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: Very good. All right, do you want to go?

740
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: You go first?

741
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: You want to go first?

742
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta see what's happening about?

743
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so this is question. Okay, how do you ponder?

744
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, if I ponder alone? Yes, I ponder alone. Okay,

745
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 3: I love to be alone.

746
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: Do you do you is there like a place or

747
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: do you sit? Or do you walk?

748
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: Or do you I have a sauna blanket. I like

749
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 4: to ponder at my saun a blanket.

750
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

751
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: I like to ponder in my living room. I like

752
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 4: to ponder in my backyard. But I have to be alone.

753
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

754
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: That's the number one.

755
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very important. Yeah, I find I do that

756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: also alone. But I'm in my garden and I and

757
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: I love my garden and it's a place place of solace,

758
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of must be. I'm ord

759
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: to what you know, when David meditates and the ideas

760
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: come up. By doing something else, free your mind and

761
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: an idea will come up and be like, oh and

762
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: I'll just either record it or write something down. Yeah, yeah,

763
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: I come. That's just like, oh, something came up. Sometimes

764
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: driving and driving too oh.

765
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: Yes, then you can't write it down.

766
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: It's hard. You have to rest the.

767
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: Wondering, and sometimes pondering gets out of control.

768
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: I have so.

769
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: Many things happening up here, yes, and I'm I need

770
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 4: to get it out.

771
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Do you ponder visually? Is that how you do you

772
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: see things? First? You see them?

773
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: Or do you I ponder both ways like audio okay

774
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: and visually visually number one Okay.

775
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: I'm a very visual person.

776
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, extremely, that would be that would be my number one.

777
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you see it visually? Does it come to

778
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: you visually first? Or is there a sound or is

779
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: it a piece of music or it's like like you're like, oh,

780
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to create it.

781
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: It's it's a visual. It's a visual. It's a definite visual.

782
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: And then I write it down on my and my

783
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: notes app and sometimes it's copy that will inspire it.

784
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: So reading a lot is inspiring.

785
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 4: I'm reading this book right now, call them I'm with

786
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 4: the Band by Pamela de bar Oh.

787
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: I remember that one. We read that I remember a

788
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: long time ago.

789
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, for the first time, and I am it's so

790
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: inspired by the way that she writes because it's just

791
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: like a diary and basically.

792
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's rock and roll yeah, and it's super fun.

793
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

794
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: And then I get little tidbits and vignettes from that, Okay,

795
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 4: and I read that little bit yeah, as David.

796
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: So happens to me too if I'm reading his script.

797
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Let's see, I get a script for reading it. And

798
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I already start. I feel the alchemy working.

799
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: It's like when a sponge like you start, it starts

800
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: soaking the water and you start go, oh, I'm starting

801
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: to I'm starting to fill this a little bit, you

802
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, but I don't even

803
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: have yet. So I got like, no, don't let it

804
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: get because I'm working out something else. Don't let this

805
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You got to like keeping.

806
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: That's the thing, trying to separate the two things. That's

807
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 3: hard for me.

808
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: Me too, That is hard for me, Like when I

809
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: have multiple projects.

810
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: Going on, it it's hard to because this one starts

811
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: to become really really exciting and.

812
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: Then you get invested in that one thing and then

813
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: my brain is too small now to do that.

814
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: I would not say that at all, right, And I

815
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: asked you, yeah, we can talk, and we can.

816
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: I can't fit, but their great rings. Okay, oh this

817
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: is a good one.

818
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: Okay, what was your last dream about.

819
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I walk with you? I you know, if it's a

820
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: particularly impactful dream, I'll wake up and it'll be I'll remember,

821
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I remember it.

822
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: I have the same dream.

823
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: I have the same not the same dream, but the

824
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: same anxiety. I have a lot of anxiety dreams. Things

825
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: like you're trying to get somewhere, You're trying to make

826
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: something work. You're trying to rarely. Is it something where

827
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm flying? You know how nice would that be.

828
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 4: It's like suppressed fears coming out while you're sleeping.

829
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: I have this theory that I live. You know, you

830
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: live your life and all the things that you don't

831
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: want to deal with, you know, you whatever, three o'clock

832
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: in the morning, four o'clock in the morning, they come

833
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: knocking on your door or knocking on your brain, and

834
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: they're like, you didn't want to deal with us, but

835
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: now we're going to wake you up. And you really

836
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: are a piece of shit. You know, you really are

837
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: a horrible person. You really have no talent, you really

838
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: are Every negative thing comes in. So I tell you

839
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: what I do. I say, Okay, I know why you're here,

840
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: I said, but I have something for you. I have gradtitude.

841
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: I have gratitude for my son. I have gratitude for

842
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: how I live. I have gratitude for what I'm able

843
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: to do. I have gratitude for the flowers in my garden.

844
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: I have gratitude for I have two dogs. And I

845
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: just start I just this is how I sort of

846
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: these are my my ammunition to sort of work against

847
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: all of that. Just gratitude. I just say no, but

848
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm very great. I'm so grateful for this. I'm so

849
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: grateful for this, and it actually helps.

850
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: That's such good advice.

851
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, try try it.

852
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: That is really such good advice.

853
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: Because everybody gets those.

854
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: Told me to do that recently when I was feeling

855
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: down in the dump. But yeah, I do think gratitude

856
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: can overpower those anxious feelings sometimes close that door, because

857
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: in reality, I never thought I would even be at

858
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: this place in my career, which is very important to me,

859
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: and get to be in love and live in Laurel Canyon.

860
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: There's so much to be grateful for.

861
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Favorite line from TV or film.

862
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god.

863
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: That is a really like put on a spot type

864
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: of thing, one.

865
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Of those did anything pop in your head? Or do

866
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: you want to or not?

867
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: No?

868
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: No, no, I have something.

869
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: Okay, but it's like really scary and it's just from

870
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: my favorite movie. Oh oh wait, no, it's a monologue

871
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: and I can't recite it.

872
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: Oh the whole monologue is Oh well, what's it from?

873
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: It's from Opening Night, okay, John Cassavetti's Oh I think

874
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: it's the Opening monologue, and I think it's a narrator,

875
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: and I think it's Gina, and she's speaking about how

876
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: when she was seventeen, her emotions were so close to

877
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: the surface that she could feel everything, and she was

878
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: so creative at that point in her life, and all

879
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: of her emotions were easily accessible, and now she doesn't

880
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: have that anymore. This is me paraphrasing the monologue.

881
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's very sad.

882
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: It sticks with me.

883
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's good.

884
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Now I ask you, okay.

885
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 4: Would you rather adopt and raise one horse sized cat

886
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Speaker 4: or a dozen cat sized horses?

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Speaker 1: One horse sized cat or god.

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Speaker 4: A dozen cat sized horses.

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Speaker 1: So two things popped into my mind. A dozen cat

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Speaker 1: sized horses would be I'm reminded of the quote the

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Speaker 1: Queen Mab speech that Mercutio has, and he talks about

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Speaker 1: all the elves in the forest and they're all there,

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Speaker 1: and this is how they're going through your brain, speaking

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Speaker 1: of dreams. It's all about dreams, and so you could

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Speaker 1: you could say we could actually bring that to life.

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Speaker 1: Or think about a horse sized cat. No one would

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Speaker 1: ever bother you again. You could walk with a cat

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Speaker 1: anywhere you go. You could ride the cat.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't bring the cat on a plane, though, could.

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Speaker 1: Not bring the count on the plane. That's true. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming, thanks for the conversation

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Speaker 1: and really really enjoyed it. I need to ask you

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Speaker 1: one quick thing. Yes, the next project. What's happening? What's

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Speaker 1: exciting you?

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Speaker 3: I have a couple of things.

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Speaker 4: I don't know when this is coming out, but my

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Speaker 4: Cosmo cover with Margaret Quality just came out.

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Speaker 3: Go check it out.

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Speaker 4: And I have a self portraite book coming out named

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Speaker 4: I Used to Be Cool and.

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Speaker 3: It's all my characters I've done over the past ten years.

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Speaker 1: Is this the first time we get to see the

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Speaker 1: character first? Oh my god? Okay, that's must Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: a musk.

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Speaker 4: Yes. So it's almost done being designed now and then

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Speaker 4: it should be coming out around September October.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh I'm excited about that. Yeah. That's be good.

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Speaker 1: Good good Christmas?

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Speaker 3: Yes, good Christmas. Gift a table book?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for all you creatives out there and more. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's wonderful. I got to keep gotta keep going.

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Speaker 3: You got to stay alive.

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Speaker 1: I got to stay alive. You're busy too, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The second he's not doing stuff I think is when

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Speaker 4: you start dying anyways.

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Speaker 3: But we shouldn't end on that now.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the perfect Just keep.

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Speaker 1: Keep surfing, keep surfing.

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Speaker 3: Keep Thank you for having me. This is so fun.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much. It's been a

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Speaker 1: real pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my pleasure. This is so great.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. What Are We Even Doing is a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartMedia and the Elvis Duran podcast Network, hosted by

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Speaker 1: me Kyle McLachlin and created and produced by Full Picture

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Speaker 1: productionists Yay, featuring music by Yata and artwork by Danica Robinson.

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Speaker 1: For more information about the podcast, please visit our Instagram

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