Speaker 1: Hell I Suck a Dating with Jared Haven and I
Speaker 1: heard radio podcast What is Up? Sucky Daters. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the newest installment of Help I Suck at Dating. Dean
Speaker 1: Anglert here joined. Jared is not in his wife's glam
Speaker 1: room today. It looks like he is in the living room. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess you're not. You're not. You're on the East Coast,
Speaker 1: in the East Coast right now. It's a blizzard outside.
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. Oct nice Jared is reporting him from
Speaker 1: the East Coast. I am currently in Los Angeles at
Speaker 1: Keitlan's apartment. We got a great episode for you guys today.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned last week, Jared handily destroyed me in
Speaker 1: fantasy football. I think it was who was it, Josh
Speaker 1: Kelly or Singletary who just put up? I think everybody.
Speaker 1: I think it was everybody on your team sucked and
Speaker 1: everybody on my team did. P day. God, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: very middling in that league. I think I'm three and
Speaker 1: four and it's just like I've got no prospects. My
Speaker 1: team is bad. Anyways, we agreed that my punishment would
Speaker 1: be to have Kaylin, my girlfriend, as we all know,
Speaker 1: be a guest on this podcast. And the reason it's
Speaker 1: a punishment because you might be thinking to yourself, why
Speaker 1: would a punishment entailed Dan just bring his girlfriend the podcast,
Speaker 1: Because yeah, it really does. Because when Caitlin and I
Speaker 1: first started dating, I was very clear that her and
Speaker 1: I would never do a joint interview together. And granted,
Speaker 1: a podcast is not an interview, especially like when I'm
Speaker 1: the host that when we're the hosts of it. Uh,
Speaker 1: but this, I guess would be our first ever like
Speaker 1: media appearance together, and like whatever, it's it's fine. I
Speaker 1: think we're long enough removed to just to kind of
Speaker 1: take the plunge. I think it's about the time that
Speaker 1: you guys do something, some sort of joint interview together.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you you both, but I'll ask
Speaker 1: you right now. What was it about not doing an
Speaker 1: interview together or not having her on the podcast? I
Speaker 1: think in the past. And I'm sure you can attest
Speaker 1: to this as well. Is being in like public relationships,
Speaker 1: people will like pick and prod every little bit of
Speaker 1: an interaction that you might have with like your significant
Speaker 1: other during an interview, so like they'll like read into
Speaker 1: your body language, they'll read into like the little inside
Speaker 1: jokes that you're in but they're not in, and they'll
Speaker 1: take it to an incredible extreme. Uh. I've had it
Speaker 1: negatively impact my relationships in the past, and so I
Speaker 1: think I was just like protecting this relationship and I
Speaker 1: still am obviously. Uh, but it's just yeah, outsiders looking
Speaker 1: in and it's just like it didn't really ever in
Speaker 1: my opinion, interviews as couples never really do anything positive
Speaker 1: for the couple. It just only leads to like negativity.
Speaker 1: So like you and Caitlin were in such a different
Speaker 1: spot last year than you are now. You guys have
Speaker 1: been dating for Jesus almost two years now. At the
Speaker 1: time you just got off Paradise, you were living in
Speaker 1: a van, who knew of what was going to be
Speaker 1: happening in the future, Like there were some question marks
Speaker 1: to be I totally get it. Well. Yeah, And a
Speaker 1: big part of it too, is my humor or lack thereof,
Speaker 1: is very like sarcastic and dry, and so it's like
Speaker 1: all that crack a joke that Klin like fully understands
Speaker 1: because we spend every waking moment together, but some on
Speaker 1: listener has never heard this stupid humor that I have
Speaker 1: and they take it and it's been and run with
Speaker 1: it in a wround direction. So because of all that stuff,
Speaker 1: I've kind of like avoided the whole situation. But uh,
Speaker 1: the last it's all come to ahead day of reckoning
Speaker 1: has come, my friend. But it's like what it's like,
Speaker 1: who cares? It's just you or it's not even an interview,
Speaker 1: it's just you're talking to the two of us at all.
Speaker 1: And I can't think this is even being defined as
Speaker 1: a punishment. This is ridiculous. I should have, like I
Speaker 1: should have taken your over, your Instagram over for a day.
Speaker 1: That would have been a true punishment. I could have
Speaker 1: promoted my my short film and you have way more
Speaker 1: followers and me some damn it, I should have done that.
Speaker 1: The funny thing about that is I was telling Kalin.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, so you're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: a guest on the podcast next week. She goes like, oh,
Speaker 1: why I do I have to? Like why? What? What's
Speaker 1: the reason for all of a sudden you want me
Speaker 1: as a guest? And I was like, well, I lost
Speaker 1: to Jared. He gave me two punishments. One of them
Speaker 1: was too he would take over my Instagram for a day.
Speaker 1: And immediately after I finished that sentence, she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you obviously went with the other one. Like she
Speaker 1: was like, she was like, not in a million years
Speaker 1: would you let anyone take over. It's so funny how
Speaker 1: we're also protective of our Instagrams. Like I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: If given the two choices, I would have totally had
Speaker 1: Ashley on the podcast rather than someone taken over my Instagram.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very it feels very violating for
Speaker 1: some reason. And it's so silly too, because it's like,
Speaker 1: what is Instagram? If it's just like a picture of
Speaker 1: sharing platform. It's like, who, who the heck cares about
Speaker 1: what Instagram? And I know you know, but we are
Speaker 1: like so protective of it. It just really shows that
Speaker 1: the social dilemma is a very real thing and we're
Speaker 1: all screwed um before we get to Kaitlin, though, we
Speaker 1: do have a hot topic to talk about. If they're
Speaker 1: called hoppy, I'm just I'm literally ripping that rate out
Speaker 1: of almost famous because I hear Ashley say that hot
Speaker 1: topics guys. But I came across this car article and
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty funny. It was a People
Speaker 1: article about Jane Fonda. Do you know who Jane Fonda is, Dane? Uh?
Speaker 1: I know she was in a like a Mike Posner song,
Speaker 1: or do the Jane Fonda right? I have no idea
Speaker 1: what Posner? It's someone else. I got no idea what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. But Jane Fonda is an actress in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: She's a D two scause she's a little bit older,
Speaker 1: but she was not recently on The Ellen de Generous Show,
Speaker 1: where the guest host Tiffany Hattrish asked her, uh if
Speaker 1: she's still having sex because she looks so good for
Speaker 1: a D two. So Tiffany Hattes said, are you having
Speaker 1: like crazy sex? And Jane Fonda said, no, I don't
Speaker 1: have time to that. I'm old and I've had so
Speaker 1: much of it that I don't need any more sex
Speaker 1: in my life. I'm too busy right now. So my
Speaker 1: question is, Dan, do you think you're ever going to
Speaker 1: get a place in your life where you're just like
Speaker 1: I truly don't need to ever have sex again? Or
Speaker 1: are you there? We all I think we all kind
Speaker 1: of get there at some point, don't we. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a tough question. I feel like it's funny because
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like the driving mode, Like that's
Speaker 1: at the core of everything that we do if you
Speaker 1: really think about it. H and so it's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine where that's like not a motivating factor, but I
Speaker 1: would say probably at some point that's pretty funny. Eighty
Speaker 1: two is pretty old and like she's probably got a point,
Speaker 1: like she's got more important things to focus on, because
Speaker 1: you know, who the heck has time for that any
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest on this trajectory that I'm currently on.
Speaker 1: If Ashley and I are still having sex, like after
Speaker 1: fifty eight, I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah, absolutely, just like
Speaker 1: a couple of times a year called it good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one now, and it's like, listen, it's still great.
Speaker 1: But Ashley and I we were pretty self deprecating about
Speaker 1: it because sometimes it's like, all right, should we like
Speaker 1: should we? Yeah, let's have sex tonight, like so cavalier
Speaker 1: and so relaxed about it. But you know what, that's
Speaker 1: what happens when married couple talks about it, you know.
Speaker 1: So we still try to keep a little spy sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, there'll be some uh outfits involved or
Speaker 1: some some candles that are like yeah, Ashley, uh, and
Speaker 1: my and I like, um, what the hell is it
Speaker 1: called not candles incense? Right? Yeah? Okay, huh, because there's
Speaker 1: another definition that's very close to that word that would
Speaker 1: have sounded really bad in this context. Yeah, actually actually
Speaker 1: love int uh, but it's crazy. Yeah, eighty two years old.
Speaker 1: I'm totally with Jane Fond on this said point. At
Speaker 1: the time of point, you're just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't need that in my life anymore. Like, it's
Speaker 1: just it sounds exhausting, That's what it sounds like. I
Speaker 1: guess you probably got you probably get to a point
Speaker 1: where you like have done and tried everything that you
Speaker 1: ever could even imagine, so it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of lost its appeal. I don't know, No,
Speaker 1: I agree, she said. Then Tiffany Hattash asked her if
Speaker 1: she has any regrets, uh, and she said that she has.
Speaker 1: Her greatest regret was Marvin Gay. Apparently she wanted to
Speaker 1: hook up with Marvin Gay. So there we go. Jane
Speaker 1: Fond of Marvin Gay. A little known, a little uh,
Speaker 1: a little fun fact for the day before Halloween for you.
Speaker 1: Wait her greatest regret was that she didn't did not couple. Apparently,
Speaker 1: she said, apparently Marvin Gay wanted to and she was
Speaker 1: married at the time, and uh, she just felt like
Speaker 1: it was wrong. So good for Jane Fonda, uh, not cheating,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, apparently to her biggest regret.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that marriage didn't work out. I don't
Speaker 1: really know the backstory on that one. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and correct myself from earlier I said
Speaker 1: it was Mike Posner. It's actually a Mickey Avalon song
Speaker 1: called Jane Fonda. Uh, and if you have the time,
Speaker 1: listen to it, because it's like it's like an all
Speaker 1: time greatest college hit. Interesting. Well, we'll definitely have to
Speaker 1: check that out. I don't even know that song is,
Speaker 1: but I just know Jane Fonda. I'm really just aging myself.
Speaker 1: But really that was like a parent that was like
Speaker 1: that was like more Mark's time, you know what I mean? Mark,
Speaker 1: Mark was more Jane Fonda than I was. I can't
Speaker 1: deny that. Alright, Cool, we have calin coming out the
Speaker 1: podcast next. I have plenty of questions from you, suck Army,
Speaker 1: I asked on Instagram. What questions you had for Kalin's
Speaker 1: I mean, this is truly like her first real appearance
Speaker 1: on the pod cast. She's she's popped in and out before,
Speaker 1: but like now, she's in the hot seat before we
Speaker 1: jumped to before we jump to that, I've gotta I'd
Speaker 1: like to know what she should prepare for, and I
Speaker 1: would like to know what I need to personally prepare
Speaker 1: for as well. Uh, there's some question, there's some family
Speaker 1: questions in here from sock army. I'm certainly going to
Speaker 1: be asking about paradise last year, how she felt, uh
Speaker 1: when she first found out that you were very open
Speaker 1: about living in a van. Uh, she's gonna be asking
Speaker 1: about worst dates with you. Uh, she's also gonna be
Speaker 1: asked about best dates with you. So that's good little
Speaker 1: positivity in there. Uh. What else do we got in here? Uh?
Speaker 1: Some some possible marriage or family planning questions in there? Wonderful,
Speaker 1: you know, very just obvious ones that can be sometimes
Speaker 1: difficult to answer, but we'll be asked on this podcast today. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's very understandable. I suppose there was there was
Speaker 1: something important I wanted to touch on it, and now
Speaker 1: it escapes me. And I hate when this happened. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just you just carry on for so long
Speaker 1: that the the ideas and the thoughts that I have
Speaker 1: in my head escape somehow, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Um No, I hear you. Happens all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: apparently go if you remember? Yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Are all of these questions uh, derived from the help
Speaker 1: I sucudating Instagram? Uh? Yeah, I mean a majority of
Speaker 1: them are. I mean, like some questions I have, but
Speaker 1: my questions are. Listen, I'm gonna go easy on you,
Speaker 1: all right, because you're a friend. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask about like some paradise questions, and like I'm definitely
Speaker 1: gonna ask about the wedding bands, like in the specifics
Speaker 1: of like were you guys like leaning into the marriage
Speaker 1: angle of that and not disclosing whether you guys were
Speaker 1: married or not. And so some of those are your questions,
Speaker 1: some of these are their questions. Yeah, nice little blend
Speaker 1: of both, you know. Cool. I wonder if maybe Marker
Speaker 1: Easton or Becky have questions as well. Oh. Also that
Speaker 1: reminds me, unfortunately through of my own fault, we got
Speaker 1: back from uh palm springs too late. On Sunday. So
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see Becky and Mario last weekend,
Speaker 1: but we do want to have an update from Becky
Speaker 1: about her date with to Mario. And for the listeners
Speaker 1: out there, I'm sure you've been following along and Becky story,
Speaker 1: we'll get to it later. But she met a young
Speaker 1: gentleman through the podcast and he came out to California
Speaker 1: to see her for the weekend. So, uh, also, stay
Speaker 1: tuned for that. If you're not gonna stay tuned for
Speaker 1: for Klin, at least stay tuned for Becky and Tomorrio
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna want to miss that either. But
Speaker 1: what do you say you want to? Yeah? Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: just want to know if Becky's gonna invite us to
Speaker 1: the wedding. I mean, granted, be seeing how we were
Speaker 1: the ones that really kind of made this whole relationship
Speaker 1: begin because he was a fan of the podcast. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's only deserving that you and I are equal.
Speaker 1: I'll be the maid of honor and you could be
Speaker 1: the best man. That seems fitting. Yes, And if we
Speaker 1: don't at least officiate, maybe be ring bears. There has
Speaker 1: to be some sort of involvement in the wedding as well.
Speaker 1: I think that is definitely very important. We can we
Speaker 1: can touch on that later with her as well. Uh,
Speaker 1: but let's get kylea Earn here before we do that.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to add? Should we
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then bring her in? I
Speaker 1: think we should just take a quick break. Brother, sounds
Speaker 1: good to me. Stay tuned, little beer back all right,
Speaker 1: and we are back to help I suck at dating.
Speaker 1: We started this podcast as two and we continue on
Speaker 1: as three because, uh, the young Kayla Miller Keys and
Speaker 1: actually Patty So I guess for have joined us for
Speaker 1: the rest of this episode. Um, kaylhen you were here
Speaker 1: last episode, I'll be honest as a couple of beers deep. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, as a little field feeling a little lucy goosey.
Speaker 1: Today is a little different. We're just hanging out in
Speaker 1: the department in Santa Monica. But Jared's got some question
Speaker 1: for us, So, I don't know, does there anything you
Speaker 1: want to say before we dive into this or I'm
Speaker 1: just a little nervous. Yeah, don't be nervous. They're very
Speaker 1: easy there, their softball questions. Let's be honest, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna go too hard on you. But like Kaitlin, how
Speaker 1: do you feel that your Dean's punishment. I feel like
Speaker 1: you should be seen as Yeah, you're absolutely right, I
Speaker 1: should be seen as your gift. But I was listening
Speaker 1: in the other room to what you were saying, and
Speaker 1: I agree. I think we've done a good job of
Speaker 1: I don't know, not doing joint interviews, and now we're
Speaker 1: like in a strong place in our relationship. It's time
Speaker 1: are in a strong place in our relationship. We're in
Speaker 1: a very weak place in a relationship. Should I leave?
Speaker 1: Should I give you guys a couple of minutes to
Speaker 1: discuss amongst yourself? You need for the record for the record,
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Caitlin obviously can disagree with this. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think it's a it's time thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's a this is a one off experience
Speaker 1: because I lost to you in fantasy football. We're not
Speaker 1: going to just like start doing a bunch of interviews together.
Speaker 1: This is this is the one an only time until
Speaker 1: next year when you beat me again in fantasy football.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, what happens if we we
Speaker 1: play each other again in the regular season or playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I beat you again, Calin part two. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: go bridge when we get to it, So, Calin, Calin,
Speaker 1: my dear, uh, let's rewind the clocks. So I'm curious
Speaker 1: when you first met Dean because you you wanted to
Speaker 1: meet Dean in Paradise. Correct. Hm, well, I was one
Speaker 1: of the people she wanted to be in. Well, we
Speaker 1: all give multiple people, but Dean you were one of
Speaker 1: those guys. So Calin, when you first met Dean? Did
Speaker 1: he was he everything you expected or the complete opposite? Oh? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: So I first met Dean in West Hollywood, like briefly
Speaker 1: for like two minutes, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: he's so handsome and he just like has this I
Speaker 1: don't or about him. He's very charismatic, he's very nice
Speaker 1: and sweet. And then he came down to Paradise and yeah,
Speaker 1: very different from what I expected. But even like when
Speaker 1: we were dating in Paradise, it was always you know,
Speaker 1: this is going to end soon, you know, and so
Speaker 1: like him telling me that, and so, yeah, he's very
Speaker 1: different now than he was in Paradise because we're in
Speaker 1: a committed relationship. And then it was like all right,
Speaker 1: you know this could end any day. But just because
Speaker 1: one thing changed about my mindset about a relationship doesn't
Speaker 1: mean things are very different. Yeah, okay, you're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Well, it's not no a relationship. You're the
Speaker 1: same person. You are the same person, just the relationships
Speaker 1: my mindset, and one thing has changed. Um in Paradise,
Speaker 1: they made it seem like, uh, like you were a
Speaker 1: little torn between Connor and Dean. And so my question is,
Speaker 1: did Connor ever even have a chance? No, no chance?
Speaker 1: It was. I tell Deean this all the time. My
Speaker 1: favorite moment, I'm not even joking, in the entirety of
Speaker 1: the Bachelor franchise that I have ever seen, was when
Speaker 1: Dean came back. And I tell him this all the time.
Speaker 1: First of all, he looked like a damn stud on there,
Speaker 1: like his long hair, he shaved his mustache, he had
Speaker 1: a tan, he had that blue button down on. I
Speaker 1: was like Connor, legitimately, no chance and then no offense.
Speaker 1: Connor seems like a very sweet man, but uh then
Speaker 1: he's Connor sitting on the bed while you and Dean
Speaker 1: are talking. And then Connor and Christina are talking and
Speaker 1: Connor's like, I'm not worried, Like me and Caitlin have
Speaker 1: a good thing going. And then Christina looks over at
Speaker 1: Connor and goes, have you met Dean? And he goes no,
Speaker 1: and She's like yeah. And then I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that is the greatest moment I've ever seen
Speaker 1: because it was the realist thing, like, legitimately, I love you, Dean.
Speaker 1: But if you ever like pre Kalin Pree, actually, if
Speaker 1: you were like going after my girlfriend, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got no shot um. Anyway. Uh So
Speaker 1: when you guys left Paradise because Caitlin, were you thinking
Speaker 1: that you could truly have a future with Dean because
Speaker 1: of everything that he kind of outlined and was very
Speaker 1: truthful to you about. He wasn't sure about his future.
Speaker 1: He wants you know, he he was truthfully living in
Speaker 1: a van. He really wanted to travel. Do you you
Speaker 1: know did you see that as compatibility? No. I knew that,
Speaker 1: like I knew we had a super strong connection, and
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I could leave this
Speaker 1: speech with anyone else like it's Dean and I knew that,
Speaker 1: But I was also hesitant because he had just dumped me.
Speaker 1: He was a little bit afraid of commitment, it seemed,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, our lives seemed very different. So
Speaker 1: in the beginning of our relationship, I was just like
Speaker 1: walking on eggshells almost and like scared, essentially scared of him.
Speaker 1: We went to Europe together and I wasn't I was
Speaker 1: just always on edge and you know, whinsaken and dumped
Speaker 1: me or what am I going to say the wrong
Speaker 1: thing or do the wrong thing? And then we slowly
Speaker 1: got to know each other better and outside of the show,
Speaker 1: and our relationship just kept growing and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, this is this is real. Yeah, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: a pretty scary guy. I don't know, Caitlin, what's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing you've seen change indeed over the past year
Speaker 1: year and a half that you've been with him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What a great question. That is the biggest thing you've
Speaker 1: seen change besides my hair? Decide your hair? Um? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Deans always a very loving and kind person,
Speaker 1: but I think them were the more comfortable we've become
Speaker 1: in our relationship. I don't know. I don't really think
Speaker 1: you've changed. Honest, you can talk crap about me if
Speaker 1: you want. I probably got like messier. I probably played
Speaker 1: more video games like all the little all the little
Speaker 1: things that you like make sure you're on top of
Speaker 1: when you first started start dating someone like um All
Speaker 1: Gone the Wind else series between. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you just like slowly start to uh lean into
Speaker 1: him a little bit. And I'm sure there are plenty
Speaker 1: of that. Actually, you used to never far in front
Speaker 1: of me, and now it just constantly smells like as
Speaker 1: in this apartment. Dude. Ever since the first time I
Speaker 1: farted in front of Calein, I just let him rip
Speaker 1: all the time. It's fantastic. But I still get to
Speaker 1: hear one of her parts. I still I refused to
Speaker 1: believe that she farts, but I actually believe that. I
Speaker 1: don't think Calin farts. Um, so, what's your what's your Well,
Speaker 1: I know you didn't answer that question, but I know
Speaker 1: you're said it's kind of a hard question to answer.
Speaker 1: But can you think of one thing? You just think
Speaker 1: of one thing? Come on, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really think you've changed in any way. Well,
Speaker 1: let me give you an example of how I think
Speaker 1: Dean's changed a little bit. I think Dean has always
Speaker 1: been very scared of commitment. Granted, I'm speaking from an
Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, but I think with you. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: Dean has actively put a lot of effort and work
Speaker 1: into making you feel like he is a percent committed
Speaker 1: in this relationship. Yeah, I can agree with that. And
Speaker 1: he does a really good job of making me feel
Speaker 1: fully secure and confident. And we're step together basically. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: We've got a cell phone playing together, we got a
Speaker 1: joint bank account together, we got our freaking old dog together.
Speaker 1: You're right, he does a really good job of that.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I was so scared of in
Speaker 1: the beginning. Is even I remember Demian Paradise pulled me
Speaker 1: aside and she was like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like this guy is going to break your heart? And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's just casual, it's fine. And
Speaker 1: then um we left the beach and I still had
Speaker 1: that fear of you know, when's again to end. So
Speaker 1: he's done a really good job of making me feel secure. Sweet.
Speaker 1: That makes me good. That makes me happy, It makes
Speaker 1: me good. What was the exact genesis of the wedding rings?
Speaker 1: The exact genesis, because I've heard like you talk about
Speaker 1: it sarcastically because that's your humor obviously. Uh So, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people still don't understand why you
Speaker 1: wear a wedding. I guess this is Would you rather
Speaker 1: hear her interpretation of how it started? Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I would like to hear her because I know exactly
Speaker 1: how it started in my head, but it could be
Speaker 1: different to how she thinks it started. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: it started. He was in Mexico and he was fighting
Speaker 1: the women off. He is so humble, but I mean
Speaker 1: women are very john to him, and so he wore
Speaker 1: a hair tie around his ring finger and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm taken. I'm a taken man. And this is what
Speaker 1: a year ago? October last year. Yeah, so a year ago.
Speaker 1: And then he came back and he was wearing it
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I like that. And then
Speaker 1: we were on our way to meet Nick by All
Speaker 1: for dinner and he's like and we had to run
Speaker 1: into North Jone to get our ring finger sized, and
Speaker 1: then we were like talking about the idea of getting
Speaker 1: rings and so or at his ring and that's when
Speaker 1: he got the black ring, and then we just switched
Speaker 1: to the gold but I don't know, it was just
Speaker 1: like it wasn't really Maybe I'm missing part of the story,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's exactly how I would have explained
Speaker 1: to I had like a little hair time my finger
Speaker 1: for a week, uh, and I kind of liked it.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, yeah, I'll just wear a ring.
Speaker 1: It's it's like I wouldn't hate that idea. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: we got sized, and then that was that, Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you ever think it was gonna blow up like it did?
Speaker 1: And I think it was a pretty big story to
Speaker 1: the point where you guys were on really ABC show
Speaker 1: and Harrison had to ask you about it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, But I still don't think that
Speaker 1: it ever really became like I never like obviously, like
Speaker 1: it's a funny thing to like kind of like prod
Speaker 1: and like, you know whatever. But the thing that I've
Speaker 1: disliked about wearing it is a lot of my friends,
Speaker 1: like some of my closest friends will like see me
Speaker 1: wearing it, and like I never like explained to any
Speaker 1: of them why I wear a ring, and so they're
Speaker 1: all like, did you get married? And not telling you
Speaker 1: of us. Like my brother even came to me once
Speaker 1: of you guys did you get married to came with
Speaker 1: telling me uh. And so a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: think that I like, uh not like went around their backs,
Speaker 1: but like kind of cut them out of like the
Speaker 1: wedding ceremonies and all these things. But it's just like,
Speaker 1: which is something that I think you would do, not
Speaker 1: not necessarily your family, but your friends, and you just
Speaker 1: be like secretly married. Yeah, which maybe maybe we're secretly married.
Speaker 1: Jared still thinks we're secretly married. I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: I only say because I just like creating drama. Um.
Speaker 1: But klin Dean's obviously been very open with his um
Speaker 1: thoughts about marriage, back and forth about whether he'd want
Speaker 1: kids one day, so I ask you, are those things
Speaker 1: that you want? Marriage, kids, settling down? Yeah? I do.
Speaker 1: I want to get married. I want to have kids,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna rush though, like I want to us.
Speaker 1: We will get married to get married and like I
Speaker 1: don't know farriors ten years, twenty years, fifty years maybe,
Speaker 1: but no, I do want to be married. I do
Speaker 1: want to have kids. I go back and forth on
Speaker 1: the kids. I know I do want them, but there
Speaker 1: are some days where I were like, listen, let me
Speaker 1: tell you a story about Kalen. She she says she
Speaker 1: wants kids, and I don't disbelieve her. But whenever we're
Speaker 1: out anywhere, anywhere, on an airplane, at a restaurant, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where we are, and there's a kid, even making
Speaker 1: the smallest amount of noise, she always looks at me
Speaker 1: and goes, I never want to have kids. How could they?
Speaker 1: How could they? How could people allow their kids to
Speaker 1: be so loud and obnoxious here? And I'm always like,
Speaker 1: you're always telling me you want kids, and then every
Speaker 1: time we see a child, You're always look at me
Speaker 1: like in complete disgust. Yeah, a crying baby in public
Speaker 1: is definitely the number one birth control. Uh And it's
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you on that. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure that you guys will have kids. Well do you
Speaker 1: think that Not to like pry too much, but do
Speaker 1: you think that could cause issues at one point? Yeah? Probably,
Speaker 1: I think already has caused issues. Well, Okay, the thing
Speaker 1: about Dean is he's so sarcastic and people don't pick
Speaker 1: up on his sarcasm and people think like he's a
Speaker 1: terrible boyfriend. To me, he's the best boyfriend. He just
Speaker 1: is very sarcastic, and if you don't understand his humor,
Speaker 1: you don't understand him or our relationship. And he says
Speaker 1: these things sometimes they are truthful, but they're not. Listen,
Speaker 1: We've got to be honest with ourselves too. It would
Speaker 1: be unfair of me to not bring my seed into
Speaker 1: the world and and create a better world for the
Speaker 1: people around us simply by procreating. So so I feel
Speaker 1: like I have an obligation to to America, to the
Speaker 1: world to procreate spread the Danie baby seed. I get it,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So given given that, and I've always been curious,
Speaker 1: like if I were to have a child, what would
Speaker 1: that child be like? So maybe, like, just out of curiosity,
Speaker 1: I would have a child one day. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you have to have a kid. I'm talking about you
Speaker 1: have to have a kid because who else is going
Speaker 1: to be the villain bachelor in Paradise, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly have to follow them, and I so be it,
Speaker 1: I guess, but yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I
Speaker 1: think it's uh, we both coming into the relationship. We're
Speaker 1: on different sides of the spectrums. Like she for sure
Speaker 1: wanted to get married and have kids, and I definitely
Speaker 1: didn't want to get married and have kids. And we're
Speaker 1: both like slowly inching towards the middle somewhere. It is
Speaker 1: interesting in that way. I mean that's a relationship compromise. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we don't want to compromise. We want to uh
Speaker 1: you know, win win situation. Yeah, that's a better way
Speaker 1: of putting it. No, you're right. So we do have
Speaker 1: some questions from suck Army as well. So, Kaitlin, what's
Speaker 1: your worst date story with Dean? Oh? Worst date? Well,
Speaker 1: how much time do you have? We never have bad dates,
Speaker 1: But there are times where so Jean gets in these
Speaker 1: Jane gets in these moods or he just needs to
Speaker 1: be alone and and I like, I figured it out
Speaker 1: over the past year and a half when he's in
Speaker 1: those moods. But sometimes I forget, like it's been a
Speaker 1: month and a half and he hasn't gotten into the
Speaker 1: mood where he just you don't want it, you don't
Speaker 1: want to talk or speak or be around people. Um.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes if we're on a date, just probably
Speaker 1: been like one instance where he's in that mood and
Speaker 1: we're on a date and he's just like when give
Speaker 1: me a speci. I don't know, but I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: guessing that there's been a time where you've just been
Speaker 1: on your phone the time I figured you're gonna say
Speaker 1: our worst date was our first date in San Diego.
Speaker 1: What happened in San Diego with your friends? Know? When
Speaker 1: we got back to San Diego after Paradise, I took
Speaker 1: her skydiving and she was like shaking in her boots,
Speaker 1: Peter pants and pants. That would have been the worst one.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Your your first day after Paradise was skydiving?
Speaker 1: Have you ever been skydiving before? Were you trying to
Speaker 1: kill her? Dan? What the hell? Yes? Well, it's the rrowinism,
Speaker 1: you know, natural selection. Let it, let its run its course.
Speaker 1: If she survives skydiving, I figured she would be more
Speaker 1: I guess, deserving of me, of me sharing my seed,
Speaker 1: a strong mother figure. I got it yet, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: uh and and and and the end of that story.
Speaker 1: I know we've thought talked about this before. But she
Speaker 1: did not jump. She did not jump out of the airplane.
Speaker 1: I almost dumped her. Fast forward, I want to say,
Speaker 1: like maybe a year and three months later, a year
Speaker 1: in a month that was maybe just about a year.
Speaker 1: Then she went on she went skyd having on her own,
Speaker 1: and I was very wrong. Yes, well, so that was
Speaker 1: her way of fully circling around the bailing on her
Speaker 1: first date thing, which is would you ever go Scott
Speaker 1: having with Dean? Yeah? It was so fun. I would
Speaker 1: go again. What made you want to go buy yourself
Speaker 1: scott having with me? Because I even driving up and
Speaker 1: like that week leading up to it, I had such
Speaker 1: anxiety and I was like, there's no way I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this. I'm gonna bail. And so I knew
Speaker 1: if I told him and then I'd aild to get
Speaker 1: and he would be mad. So I was not disappointed, Yes, disappointed. Um,
Speaker 1: so I was like, I have to jump and then
Speaker 1: I'll tell him afterwards. So I called him immediately after.
Speaker 1: But I had this whole plan to like show him
Speaker 1: the video in person, but I was too excited, so
Speaker 1: I just called him immediately. And also she's told me too,
Speaker 1: She's like, I want to Scott having, Let's let's try
Speaker 1: it again. And I told her that I would not
Speaker 1: go scott having with her again, that she would if
Speaker 1: she wants to sky dive, which she claimed to have
Speaker 1: wanted to before. Obviously she went this last time that
Speaker 1: she would have to do it on her own terms,
Speaker 1: and she did it. Bro, It's her first time. I
Speaker 1: would chickened out too, Are you joking? As soon as
Speaker 1: you get in the plane and the plane like starts
Speaker 1: going like this, I'm bring the plane down, I'm landing.
Speaker 1: I'm not jumping out for the record. For the record
Speaker 1: for anyone else is think about Scott having The plane
Speaker 1: ride is the most dangerous part of the sky down.
Speaker 1: It's like more people die in the plane getting up
Speaker 1: tottitude than they do uncourage people from going. I was
Speaker 1: about to say that doesn't bring me any comfort, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm not discouraging. I'm saying Scott having is relatively safe
Speaker 1: compared to even flying in an airplane, well not like
Speaker 1: a commercial every year than they do skydiving. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: there are still probably more commercial airplane deaths every year
Speaker 1: than Scott Having deaths. Don't vote me on that, but
Speaker 1: I bet you that's true. I don't know. I'd like
Speaker 1: to look up the statistics on that one. Um who
Speaker 1: had to compromise with the others lifestyle. More so, my question, Klin,
Speaker 1: do you think you had to adapt to Dean's lifestyle
Speaker 1: more over the past year and a half of you
Speaker 1: guys have been dating or Dan, do you think you've
Speaker 1: had to adapt your lifestyle more towards Calin in the
Speaker 1: past year and a half. That's a great question. I
Speaker 1: think I have for sure. That's so wrong. I tell
Speaker 1: if you compromise, what have you compromise? I don't wear
Speaker 1: makeup anymore. Compromise, that's you're I think you're mistaking the
Speaker 1: word compromised for the word enriched. You don't have to
Speaker 1: wear makeup anymore. You're a beautiful woman that no longer
Speaker 1: wakes up at seven in the morning to put on
Speaker 1: a face of makeup. Better lifestyle not our jud But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I've definitely I've seen myself change more
Speaker 1: and the relations for the better. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: I hate well, I'm talking about even like lifestyle, you know,
Speaker 1: because obviously Dean comes from living in the van wanting
Speaker 1: to road trip all around, and Kylen, you've seen someone
Speaker 1: who's more like myself and Ashley, where we like being home,
Speaker 1: but we also like traveling, but not in a van
Speaker 1: as much. Yeah, I don't think it's synonymous with changing yourself.
Speaker 1: I think what he's talking about is like a like.
Speaker 1: So so here's why I think that I've changed. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I'm waiting at with bated breath for breath. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, on the show Calin
Speaker 1: and I his first day on the Unfashioned Paradise, she
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of traveling and sort of
Speaker 1: my thing. She said that, and she enjoyed traveling, but
Speaker 1: she had never really traveled to a great extent, like, yes,
Speaker 1: you've been to places. Obviously you've traveled. You've in Japan,
Speaker 1: Um and a couple other places I can't remember exactly where.
Speaker 1: But she has always wanted to travel more extensively. And
Speaker 1: so when she started dating me, a guy that did
Speaker 1: travel extensively, lived in a van and would could consistently
Speaker 1: take his international trips to wherever I wanted to go. You,
Speaker 1: by dating me, allowed yourself to become the person, not
Speaker 1: become the person, but like to travel more as much
Speaker 1: as you had originally wanted to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't think you necessarily compromising who
Speaker 1: you were to travel more because you had always wanted
Speaker 1: to travel a lot. And then on the flip side.
Speaker 1: Why I think I've compromised more in that regard is because, uh,
Speaker 1: look where I am right now. I'm in an apartment
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, holding a little baby dog in my lap,
Speaker 1: with my girlfriend sitting next to me, drinking a lacroix
Speaker 1: of a word I can't even pronounce, bubbly dreams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Uh. And I on a regular basis, I
Speaker 1: go around the house. I do daily chores. I repair
Speaker 1: cabinets often enough, fix a lot of things around the
Speaker 1: She is much cleaner, but also she has a lot
Speaker 1: more stuff, so it's kind of hard to say. My
Speaker 1: point is. My point is, even just being in the
Speaker 1: apartment right now, I would say that I have compromise
Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, you have. You have more than I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think that you have. But also, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: traveling the van, I'm going on these hiking trips. I'm
Speaker 1: hiking an active volcano. So I think it's pretty even.
Speaker 1: But they're all incredible things to look back on that
Speaker 1: they're bad, I enjoy them. It's a good I guess
Speaker 1: I've kind of lost sight of the question. To be perfectly,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest from my perspective. Calin's definitely adapted
Speaker 1: more to Dean's lifestyle. But this is also Instagram purposes.
Speaker 1: So like, I've seen Kalin hiking volcanoes and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: she must really love Dean. But it's also because I'm
Speaker 1: not posting I'm not posting pictures of myself sitting around
Speaker 1: the boy. I would agree to this. That is a
Speaker 1: very valid point, my friend, but that's not that's not
Speaker 1: the greatest argument. Because he used to live in an apartment.
Speaker 1: He used to be doing all these things before the van,
Speaker 1: and I hated my life and that's why I stopped
Speaker 1: doing it and moved into a van. I lived with
Speaker 1: with crippling anxiety on a regular basis because I felt
Speaker 1: so so stagnant and stale. And so that's why I
Speaker 1: bought a van and renovated it and started traveling more.
Speaker 1: But now I've got a girlfriend and a little puppy dog,
Speaker 1: so I've got to do these things, little path I
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, It's not that I don't enjoy them.
Speaker 1: I enjoy the times that I got to slow down
Speaker 1: and be around the apartment and not have to worry about, um,
Speaker 1: you know, parking your van. And finding in place of sleep.
Speaker 1: It's nice to take it's nice be able to take
Speaker 1: a break from that for a little bit. But so,
Speaker 1: what's your that's my that's my what's your best story?
Speaker 1: Date story? What's the best date you guys ever been on? Oh?
Speaker 1: Best date? Mm hmm? What do you think? I don't know.
Speaker 1: We've got on a lot of really good Oh. Actually,
Speaker 1: worst date was? I like it? How immediately this goes
Speaker 1: back to the worst date. The worst date was at
Speaker 1: Michelin Star restaurant. I was like, let's go to a
Speaker 1: fancy dinner. We go to a Michilin Star restaurant. I
Speaker 1: was like throwing up in the bathroom the whole time.
Speaker 1: Know what happened? It was terrible. We are both miserable.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that was the worst date. I
Speaker 1: think it was. We were in Spain. We're talking about
Speaker 1: the worst of the best one here. I think she
Speaker 1: was still like learning your what diet work best for her?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was like this four dinner and the
Speaker 1: food was like, it's just restaurants suck. It's like tiny
Speaker 1: little servings of food that you would never like. We
Speaker 1: have pigeon, Like, who the heck wants to eat. That
Speaker 1: sounds terrible. I'm definitely I agree Michelin, no offense Michelin.
Speaker 1: Anybody who owns a Michelin restaurant listening a little overrated.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a mom pa guy, you know, like
Speaker 1: because you get the big dishes, they taste grade good stuff.
Speaker 1: Give me the mom paud diner. Give me like the
Speaker 1: fifty cent street taco. You know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. We've traveled to so many
Speaker 1: cool places. We always find these cool little restaurants to
Speaker 1: eat dinner at, and I think those are always our
Speaker 1: best dates. Probably in Hawaii, we had a really nice
Speaker 1: date and got a little tipsy, got some massages. They
Speaker 1: were the best massage as we've ever had in our lives.
Speaker 1: Does Dean ever give you massages? He better occasionally give
Speaker 1: you one last night, very nice. Sometimes I give Ashley once,
Speaker 1: but like my thumbs started hurting after five minutes and
Speaker 1: she gets really angry at me. We're getting old, man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and I don't know long story, I
Speaker 1: don't have small hands. But first, there's this picture that
Speaker 1: Ashley posted of us in We're Worry Iceland a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, and apparently my hand looks very feminine
Speaker 1: in the picture. So ever since then, my friends say
Speaker 1: that I have baby hands and that's why I can't like,
Speaker 1: that's why my thumbs start hurting after five minutes. It's
Speaker 1: a long story that's actually hilarious. Okay, Uh, this is
Speaker 1: uh more of a mom It's a question that is
Speaker 1: very much repeated within this. Uh, Caitlin, have you met
Speaker 1: Dean's dad? I have not, And Dean hasn't met my dad,
Speaker 1: nor has he met my mom, which will happen at
Speaker 1: some point, but his dad's not in his life. My
Speaker 1: dad's not in my life, so it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: what is the point. Yeah, for the record, I haven't
Speaker 1: even talked to my dad since I started dating Kitlin.
Speaker 1: So it's like, for all he knows, I could be
Speaker 1: dead somewhere, or I could be single, or I could
Speaker 1: be you know, there's a million possibility. Like I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to my dad since like February of April of
Speaker 1: whatever it was. So so now she has not my father,
Speaker 1: who was the first person that said I loved you obviously,
Speaker 1: what did you say back? You better said I love
Speaker 1: you too? Yeah, yeah, I said, I said I said
Speaker 1: something of the sort. What did he say, wait or
Speaker 1: give us the context of the story, because I don't
Speaker 1: remember this story. She said it and I just said thanks.
Speaker 1: How long after Paradise was this? Um? It was in St.
Speaker 1: Lucia and if we got there probably December? Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is like six Yeah, okay, so it took a
Speaker 1: little while. Yeah, it took me a while. Cal is
Speaker 1: the first one to say, Yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: were you nervous telling him? Is that like, did you
Speaker 1: feel like you wanted to tell him earlier but you
Speaker 1: were just afraid to scare him away? Yeah? So he
Speaker 1: told me one time, he was like, if you think
Speaker 1: that you loved me, just wait three months longer something
Speaker 1: like that. And I and I knew that I loved him,
Speaker 1: like pretty early on, but I was just gonna I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to be the first to
Speaker 1: say it, And then as the relationship progressed, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to be the first one that asked
Speaker 1: to say it. But I wasn't scared. I knew that
Speaker 1: we were in a healthy, committed relationship. So if she
Speaker 1: if she wasn't the first one to say, none of
Speaker 1: us would have ever said it exactly. But also I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this because I knew this question was
Speaker 1: gonna get brought up on the podcast, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about how I could have some you know, like
Speaker 1: some deeper meaning about why it took me so long
Speaker 1: to say it. And it's because people are still liberal
Speaker 1: with their with their usage of the word. They don't
Speaker 1: know what it means, but they're willing to use it
Speaker 1: and throw it around all the time, and so it's
Speaker 1: like really diminished the meaning of the word itself. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I use I sell my friends, I love
Speaker 1: them all the time as friends, but as a romantic partner,
Speaker 1: I feel like people are so quick to use that
Speaker 1: word and then you know, in no time at all,
Speaker 1: there it's like they're not even on speaking terms anymore.
Speaker 1: So I asked someone who has also been scorned by
Speaker 1: people that he quote unquote was in love with I
Speaker 1: have just been proceeding with extreme caution, which made it
Speaker 1: more special to like knowing that he wasn't willing to
Speaker 1: say it or just wanted to wait. Yeah, I made
Speaker 1: it more special. I guess I don't know. People. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are just it's just it's just a word too
Speaker 1: It's like, who cares about a stupid word? Why don't I?
Speaker 1: Why don't I show my love and my daily actions
Speaker 1: by being present all as often as they possibly can,
Speaker 1: showing my affection and taking care of all the things
Speaker 1: that I need to take care of. So, needless to say,
Speaker 1: your love language is not words of affirmation. Dean, I
Speaker 1: received words of affirmation, I guess, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to give them. But I feel like most people when
Speaker 1: they throw around that word, they're just saying it, and
Speaker 1: Dean really has to because he doesn't has to show me,
Speaker 1: which I prefer. Yeah, I don't need to be like
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you every single day, all
Speaker 1: day long. It takes it does take some weight out
Speaker 1: of it. So wait, I'm still what did Dean exactly
Speaker 1: say back to you when you tell him you loved him?
Speaker 1: We don't need it? I said thanks, I said thanks, bro,
Speaker 1: that's dope, and you fist pump. Actually he actually gave
Speaker 1: you a fast pump after you said I love you. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if that's exactly how it happened,
Speaker 1: but it was. I I definitely did my best to deflect,
Speaker 1: as I often do, and I knew that would be
Speaker 1: his response to I when I first told, because I
Speaker 1: was the first person to tell Ashley that I I
Speaker 1: loved her. I mean when we were dating. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I knew that I needed to be the first one
Speaker 1: because when she's sitting there to me, which is why
Speaker 1: I keep looking up to make sure she's not gonna
Speaker 1: like stab me in the throat if I get this
Speaker 1: story wrong. Um, and I knew with all of our
Speaker 1: history that I needed to be the first one I
Speaker 1: tell her. So we were laying in bed. It was
Speaker 1: the weekend we went to um what a stagecoach. Uh,
Speaker 1: not that stage coach. The year before we went with
Speaker 1: like I think we went with like Nick. Oh, Nick,
Speaker 1: that's right. We drove up together, um and Dean was
Speaker 1: there and uh, we were lying in bed and uh,
Speaker 1: I said, because I was super nervous because of all
Speaker 1: our our past and like I always had the upper hand.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds terrible, but it was just like
Speaker 1: this weird thing and like here I am about to
Speaker 1: tell her that I love her. And so the words
Speaker 1: came out, and I said, Ashley, I said, I think
Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with you. I think I love
Speaker 1: you that's what I said. I said, I think I
Speaker 1: love you. Even though I wanted to say I love you,
Speaker 1: I was just so nervous. So I put the word
Speaker 1: think in front of it to make it like and
Speaker 1: that has impactful. And she just responded like we not
Speaker 1: not that it wasn't in No, I don't mean that.
Speaker 1: I just meant, like, you know, in case you were like,
Speaker 1: well I need a little bit more time or protecting yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was protecting myself totally anyway, pointed. She was like,
Speaker 1: jord of course I love you. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I love you too. I didn't mean to say I think. Um, um,
Speaker 1: so where do you so? We gotta wrap up soon,
Speaker 1: but Calen Andy and I want to I want you
Speaker 1: guys to answer this separately. Where do you see yourselves
Speaker 1: in five years? Oh? Married, tons of kids. We'll own
Speaker 1: a home, maybe in Vegas, maybe Montana, Vegas, no for
Speaker 1: like Vegas, Summerlin, Summerlin, um, five years, hopefully married kids
Speaker 1: in sight. I know one things for certain, we'll both
Speaker 1: be five years older, Pap you will still somehow be
Speaker 1: inching around. I we hope, uh you never answer the
Speaker 1: question you really married in five years? Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's scary. We'll see if the world even exists in
Speaker 1: five years. Honestly, it's like everything is so up in
Speaker 1: the air at this point. You know that's not a
Speaker 1: bad answer, but I also want you to answer where
Speaker 1: for me. Hopefully we'll still have the band, We'll be
Speaker 1: traveling very similar in five years. I'd like to be
Speaker 1: able to look back and be like, Okay, cool, we
Speaker 1: accomplished all the things that we want to. Like, we
Speaker 1: want to live in different countries. What country do you
Speaker 1: guys want to live in? We want to live in Japan.
Speaker 1: I want to I really want to live in South
Speaker 1: America somewhere. Argentina, Yeah, Argentina. Perhaps, I just I think that, uh, personally,
Speaker 1: I've grown a lot through traveling as much as I
Speaker 1: have internationally over the past few years, and I think
Speaker 1: living in abroad somewhere would only embellish that even more so,
Speaker 1: I think if we were to do something like that together.
Speaker 1: And also, sorry to go off on this kind of
Speaker 1: tangent over here. When I moved to l A five
Speaker 1: years ago, I moved with like twenty really really good friends.
Speaker 1: When Kayla moved here, she didn't really know anyone Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, she had her roommates in wife Hollywood before
Speaker 1: living in Santa Monica here, but she like kind of
Speaker 1: moved without knowing many people, and I have never done that.
Speaker 1: And so if we were to move somewhere else, especially
Speaker 1: like Japan, where you are like completely an outlier and
Speaker 1: very isolated. Uh, and there aren't many English speakers except
Speaker 1: for like the XPACT pats that are there. I'm just
Speaker 1: very curious to see our dynamic and how it would function,
Speaker 1: if it would function. Uh, and if we're able to,
Speaker 1: I guess handle that adversity and if it would either,
Speaker 1: I think it would make us stronger, but you never know,
Speaker 1: so it would be like, uh, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen from that. But uh, in
Speaker 1: five years, sorry to bring it back to the point,
Speaker 1: to see how we handle all of that adversity that
Speaker 1: we're putting and setting ourself up for. Uh and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully still together, hopefully still not married, hopefully still with Pappy,
Speaker 1: hopefully still childless. Uh, hopefully hopefully just live in our dreams.
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, what do you see in
Speaker 1: five years You're gonna have three kids? For you guys,
Speaker 1: for you and Ashley. Yeah, I mean, dude, what do
Speaker 1: you What you see is what you get. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: probably have hopefully a couple of kids and and uh
Speaker 1: own a home and uh and then we'll see hopefully
Speaker 1: still successful in our in our careers and able to
Speaker 1: afford such things. Uh, that would be the goal. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then be closer to family. Um. But before you go,
Speaker 1: one last question, the most important question, I think, Kaalin,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite Dean look? Okay, so the options are Okay,
Speaker 1: his his first like when he was on Bachelorette in Paradise.
Speaker 1: You know, the clean cut, kind of like the f
Speaker 1: boy haircut, but it's good look. Uh, when he first
Speaker 1: walked down in Paradise with a mustache and the long
Speaker 1: hair or no mustache, long hair when he came back
Speaker 1: after you. I like that. Yeah, when he came back
Speaker 1: that is hair. Yeah, that's my favorite. G close, it's
Speaker 1: kind of get longer. Yeah, you got a little flow
Speaker 1: back there. It's no this though, you know my flow
Speaker 1: is getting here. I appreciate you bringing it back to you.
Speaker 1: And I see Ashley's behind you. Do you mind bringing
Speaker 1: her over to the microphone? Yeah, Ashdan wants to ask
Speaker 1: you a question, Uh, Caitlyn, that is my favorite Dean
Speaker 1: look as well. When I saw him coming to the wedding,
Speaker 1: I was like God, I was like, God, damn it,
Speaker 1: this guy is so handsome. He's off staging. Will you
Speaker 1: ask Ashley what her favorite look of you? Look of Jared?
Speaker 1: She can hear you apparently, Um, well, it's I think
Speaker 1: this one that he has going on right now. I
Speaker 1: think his hair is perfect right now, but I don't
Speaker 1: want it forever, if that makes sense, Like I kind
Speaker 1: of want him to be bouncing back and forth between
Speaker 1: this and short for like the rest of our lives.
Speaker 1: Is that weird? Like I like, because sometimes I look
Speaker 1: back on pictures and I'm like, oh, he's so handsome,
Speaker 1: Like he's more like movie star handsome with short hair
Speaker 1: and more like hot guy that you're going to double
Speaker 1: take out walking down the street with long hair. Okay,
Speaker 1: like that. See. I I kind of disagree. I think
Speaker 1: he's got like the Colin Farrell, like a rugged long hair,
Speaker 1: scruffy beard type look going for him. Now. I think
Speaker 1: he's more movie star, asked with the look video. That's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking like his movie that just came out. Well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't it was a short Yeah, well you have
Speaker 1: short hair there and you look really good. Oh thanks bad,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, but you also look so eaqually
Speaker 1: hot out. But you know what's so amazing, Jared's just
Speaker 1: glow up in the past like two years. It's just weird.
Speaker 1: He looks like a different person. It's amazing. How I
Speaker 1: look back on when they replayed like my season of
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, I'm not my season season, Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like, God, like, get your get your together, bro.
Speaker 1: If only, like you know, if only I knew it
Speaker 1: was going to come at me in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: There's there's one thing we can all agree on, ashes
Speaker 1: that this Jared's range is absolutely it's it's it's heaven sent.
Speaker 1: He can pull off any look. That's very sweet. God,
Speaker 1: we gotta have Kylin ashe on the podcast more often.
Speaker 1: My egos through the roof right now. This is great?
Speaker 1: You know we Yeah, we keep doing this What a
Speaker 1: Girl Wants episodes. Why don't actually and Calin hosted whatever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys should totally do What Girl Wants your girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be fun. I mean we did kind of didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was fun and we took over. Yeah, A Lease
Speaker 1: was on last week. I don't know who's on this week,
Speaker 1: but well hopefully soon maybe like a Christmas episode. It
Speaker 1: will be a nice Christmas gift for stuck army Jos.
Speaker 1: Any more questions that you have for us before we
Speaker 1: take it? Brown? And that was all softballs, So you're
Speaker 1: welcome on that one now, Calin, thank you honestly so
Speaker 1: much for coming on. You were so sweet and we
Speaker 1: love having you on. I wish Dean a lot it more.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding that sounded bad, but no, seriously, thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on. We really appreciate it. Thanks. I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: didn't answer your questions happening. No, you answered all of them.
Speaker 1: You kidding me. But I want everyone to know that
Speaker 1: he's the best boyfriend. I hate when people are critical
Speaker 1: of him people, I told her if she said that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and so now we go to yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and get this some
Speaker 1: emails and Becky and tomorrow update. All right, Well, that
Speaker 1: actually did not go as poorly as I expected it too,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna just go ahead and say no harm,
Speaker 1: no foult. But at the top of the episode. In
Speaker 1: last week, we talked about Becky and her date with
Speaker 1: to Mario, and, as Jared said earlier, waiting with bated
Speaker 1: breath to hear exactly what happened. Becky. Uh, you're texted
Speaker 1: me a little bit about kind of what happened, but
Speaker 1: fill us in, just kind of catch us up just
Speaker 1: in case someone maybe missed an episode or two, and
Speaker 1: then tell us about how the weekend went. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this guy heard me my interview on this podcast, and uh,
Speaker 1: we've just been talking since and he came out to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. He's from Michigan. He came out to meet me,
Speaker 1: uh this weekend and uh, well, how the three day
Speaker 1: to go? Yeah? First off, I'm like sweating right now.
Speaker 1: First off, he's amazing. He is so sweet. He's like
Speaker 1: even more incredible person. I think I'm the mess. Uh.
Speaker 1: I was so nervous when he got here, and I
Speaker 1: was definitely in my head while we were like hanging out,
Speaker 1: and I was having a really difficult time being present
Speaker 1: because I was just like, what is happening? Like this
Speaker 1: is so crazy to me that this is happening. Um,
Speaker 1: And he could tell that there was something off, so
Speaker 1: he like brought it up. He was like, are you okay, Like,
Speaker 1: is there anything like bothering you? And I was just like,
Speaker 1: really honest, I was like, I'm just like really kind
Speaker 1: of emotional right now, um, because this is the first
Speaker 1: time that I've really had someone like pursue me, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to accept it, and I was
Speaker 1: just really in my thoughts and I was like, please
Speaker 1: don't self sabotage. Please don't self sabotage. Um. And so then, uh,
Speaker 1: we had like a we had a lot of unexpected conversations,
Speaker 1: but they were honest and they were like helpful. So then, um,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the first night, the first day and night,
Speaker 1: and then the next morning, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go. It's gonna be great. The rest of
Speaker 1: the weekend's gonna be awesome. So he's like he's gonna
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's gonna beet my friends. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: out to brunch right now. Um. So then we get
Speaker 1: to brunch, I'm walking into the restaurant and I went
Speaker 1: in full panic attack because I saw a very stick
Speaker 1: X who lives across the country in Cincinnati at the restaurant,
Speaker 1: and I was like there's no way. I was like
Speaker 1: what is he doing? And I literally like grabbed Da
Speaker 1: Mario's hand and I was just like, oh, he's like
Speaker 1: is there someone that you don't want to be seeing
Speaker 1: that's here? And I was like yeah. And uh, the
Speaker 1: whole first half of the brunch with my friends like
Speaker 1: they're loving him, He's awesome, and I'm just like full
Speaker 1: blank face close to tears, like what is happening. It
Speaker 1: was just a really emotional weekend. And then um, we
Speaker 1: you know, after brunch happened, we went back to uh
Speaker 1: my apartment, we watched church together and we prayed and um,
Speaker 1: that was really sweet. He prayed over me and we
Speaker 1: actually like both got really emotional. Um, I was not
Speaker 1: bubble crying, like and I'm like why am I doing
Speaker 1: this in front of this bad and I'm just meeting
Speaker 1: But I felt so comfortable with him, and that all
Speaker 1: goes to say, like he's awesome. We're still talking, We're
Speaker 1: still trying to like work through some things because uh,
Speaker 1: I'm just having difficulty like accepting um like the kindness
Speaker 1: and just like how sweet he is. But uh, he said,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't you shouldn't have difficulty accepting that. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a great I know I'm going to say a
Speaker 1: movie quote and it's going to be so bad, and
Speaker 1: I apologize, but you know, we accept the love that
Speaker 1: we think we deserve. UM. You know, I think sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you said, we self to have sabotage, and that
Speaker 1: seems like what you're doing right now. And so if
Speaker 1: it comes down to I'm having a difficult time with
Speaker 1: tomorrow because I'm not accepting how good he is to me,
Speaker 1: you have to try to accept that. That'd be my advice. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been really difficult and I'm working through it, and
Speaker 1: I think it just has to deal with UM. And
Speaker 1: I spoke about this with a Lease on a Lot
Speaker 1: of Girl Wants, which was such an awesome interview and
Speaker 1: everyone shoul will listen to that. UM, but I spoke
Speaker 1: just like how I've suffered a lot of trauma with
Speaker 1: and I've never had a good relationship with men in
Speaker 1: general because of that, and so uh, but Damar has
Speaker 1: made it a point that he's like I want um
Speaker 1: to like help you get through that, and I want
Speaker 1: to fight for you, UM and like please let me.
Speaker 1: And so he's just awesome and I'm really trying. But
Speaker 1: he said he listened to the episode where you asked
Speaker 1: he guys helped him his date ideas and uh he
Speaker 1: you said, Jared that you know, I feel like Damari
Speaker 1: would have something planned. Um, and he actually told me
Speaker 1: last night. He's like, you know, I did have something planned,
Speaker 1: but it didn't work out because there was a lot
Speaker 1: happening that we didn't really expect really, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like he was he was planning on asking
Speaker 1: me to be his girlfriend, and I guess in a
Speaker 1: really sweet way. And this guy just keeps getting better
Speaker 1: and better. I'll tell you, I know. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: don't mess it up, Becky. But yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: You're trying not to think, don't mess it up, just
Speaker 1: trying to take it one day at a time. And
Speaker 1: you know, you're in a different spot than to Mario
Speaker 1: right now, and you've been truthful towards that and so
Speaker 1: and he's super respectful of that. That's great to hear.
Speaker 1: That is great. I know you mentioned that he said
Speaker 1: he listened to the podcast about date ideas. Did you
Speaker 1: guys talk about because like for both of you guys,
Speaker 1: for anyone, it's weird to have your dating life be
Speaker 1: talked about publicly by people who have just been on
Speaker 1: a dating show. Have you guys talked about that and
Speaker 1: how weird it is? And uh, like both of your
Speaker 1: both of y'all's comfortability with it, Like it's kind of
Speaker 1: one thing he just threw y'all in there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like like Becky, you kind of like have to be
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, as unfortunate as that sounds, because like
Speaker 1: you are in media, but he like isn't into right,
Speaker 1: So is that like a weird conversation you guys had? Um,
Speaker 1: I think like we kind of talk about it, like
Speaker 1: very briefly, and we're just like, yeah, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But then I see how many people are like actually
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, and then sometimes there's like people
Speaker 1: that like follow me and to Mario like after listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast, and that's where it kind of puts
Speaker 1: it in perspective and we're like, oh, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: like happening and it's kind of weird. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he knows what he signed up for because
Speaker 1: I do work in media and I already knew that too. Um,
Speaker 1: So yeah, the the whole situation is just kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: And like when we share two people like how did
Speaker 1: you guys meet? And I sometimes I'm just like from work,
Speaker 1: And then sometimes I go into detail and they're like,
Speaker 1: what how is that a thing I told some girls
Speaker 1: like from from my church And they're like, that doesn't
Speaker 1: happen in the real world, And I was like, well
Speaker 1: it did, so well, it's the real world. It is happening.
Speaker 1: It's happening. That's so funny, right, Like, what are the odds?
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, of all of the unique like,
Speaker 1: like Jared said earlier Genesis stories, Uh, this has to
Speaker 1: be one of the most unique I've ever personally heard
Speaker 1: of too, So I think it's fantastic. And I guess
Speaker 1: the one piece of advice that I would even have, uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Jared would agree with this is uh, well,
Speaker 1: don't put words in my mind. I guess it's hard, right,
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I shouldn't say that. Uh. And and I
Speaker 1: know all we really get from your like these little
Speaker 1: check ins, and we don't really hear from him other
Speaker 1: than that one episode that we had him on as
Speaker 1: a guest, But uh, never say anything on here that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't say to him and vice versa, and always
Speaker 1: be overly communicative because it would suck for him to
Speaker 1: hear something that you said on here that he was
Speaker 1: either like assuming or didn't think, because that would just
Speaker 1: obviously at the money noess to the waters. But it
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys are like being super communicative. I
Speaker 1: do agree with that. So Dean, you can put words
Speaker 1: in my mouth. So let's ask this what's what's next?
Speaker 1: Steps for Let's let's think of of the celebrity name
Speaker 1: is it de Mecky? Uh? I like that one? What's next? Forma? Um,
Speaker 1: we're kind of just taking it like day by day,
Speaker 1: mom of my moment right now. Um, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of healing that I need to do that I don't
Speaker 1: want to carry into a future relationship. And he Um
Speaker 1: is super understanding of that, and uh, he wants to
Speaker 1: help me. I don't do well with asking people for help. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he he just said he wants to fight
Speaker 1: for me, and he's praying for me constantly. He's very
Speaker 1: uplifting kind. I think you guys are taking the right approach.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great you know, that's awesome. Well,
Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna be checking in, maybe not frequently because
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you some space, some breathing room. We
Speaker 1: don't want to be too involved in your relationship, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, we're invested. If anything substantial happens,
Speaker 1: I will let you know, all right, perfect, um, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you Becky for sharing that. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And we do have one email. So if Mark, if
Speaker 1: you're out there in the universe and you'd like to
Speaker 1: read said email, I would love nothing more than to
Speaker 1: hear your voice. Thank you, Jared. It would be my pleasure.
Speaker 1: It's from autumn, She says. I've been in too long
Speaker 1: term long distance relationships, one of which I'm still in,
Speaker 1: and I think it'd be interesting to get the guys
Speaker 1: input and what keeps them interested, especially due to COVID.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I'll get to see my boyfriend
Speaker 1: again since we live in different states. Do most guys
Speaker 1: find it annoying? The text all the time is sending
Speaker 1: little gifts here and there were a good idea. What
Speaker 1: if you're always the one going out to visit him?
Speaker 1: Is bad or red flag questions like that? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if i'd say it's a red flag.
Speaker 1: But it sucks, and Autumn, it's something that you should
Speaker 1: discuss with him about you going out to visit him constantly.
Speaker 1: One of my friends actually is going through long distance
Speaker 1: relationship and I kind of found out that one person
Speaker 1: is visiting the other person more often. And I can tell,
Speaker 1: even though she's not saying anything that it was a
Speaker 1: little annoying when that conversation was brought up, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're going there? Does does he go there? She's like, no,
Speaker 1: not as much. And it's like, oh, I can tell
Speaker 1: that you would like that from him. So Autumn, I
Speaker 1: would definitely uh vocalize your displeasure with this person not
Speaker 1: visiting you as much as you visit them. If that
Speaker 1: is something that's bothering you. I wouldn't say it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, a red flag like something you should dump
Speaker 1: them over. Um, but certainly, yeah, say something and then
Speaker 1: to keep things spicy as they say. I mean again, Uh,
Speaker 1: depends on your level of comfortability. You know, if you
Speaker 1: guys are in a secure relationship, you trust one another. UH.
Speaker 1: If you can't be you know, physical in person, UH,
Speaker 1: there are other things that you guys can do uh
Speaker 1: to you know, try to uh you know if you.
Speaker 1: I mean again, it depends on your comfortability level, what
Speaker 1: you guys think about it. If you send a sexy
Speaker 1: selfie to this person or something along those lines, that's
Speaker 1: that could be something that's you know, keeps it firing.
Speaker 1: Do I sound like an idiot right now? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: you definitely do. I sort of agree. But I also
Speaker 1: think that everyone is very different. So when I think
Speaker 1: about myself in a long distance relationship, I'm not really
Speaker 1: the one that's going to be like wanted to talk
Speaker 1: on the phone all the time, and like I guess
Speaker 1: I would do like little romantic gestures like sending gifts
Speaker 1: or like flowers or stuff like that. But everyone, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day is different, right, And so
Speaker 1: it's like, at the end of the day, Autumn, if
Speaker 1: you are like happy in the relationship and you feel
Speaker 1: like you're receiving as much as you're giving, and that's
Speaker 1: and that and you're okay with that level of I
Speaker 1: guess that ratio of giving and receiving that I don't
Speaker 1: really think it's a problem. Like maybe you are just
Speaker 1: inherently a provider and a giver, and then that person
Speaker 1: um gives you and provides to you things that aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily uh you know, as practical, like not flowers or
Speaker 1: chocolates or whatever, but it still gives you like that support.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's busy working all the time and he can't
Speaker 1: travel to you. I don't know. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think of, like, there are certain circumstances where like you
Speaker 1: look at this, like like a surface level, you look
Speaker 1: at this and you're like, there's definitely like an imbalance.
Speaker 1: But there are certain circumstances. I think that you could
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, well it makes sense as to why
Speaker 1: it's unfolding the way that it is, right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: it just really depends. I know that it was like really,
Speaker 1: I was like that was like a long winded answer,
Speaker 1: non answer type thing. But I hear you know, but
Speaker 1: and I'd like to answer her a question about texting.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's annoying if you you know, quote
Speaker 1: unquote text your your boyfriend all the time, because you
Speaker 1: guys are in a long distance relationship and so that's
Speaker 1: the only you know that and phone calls are really
Speaker 1: the two ways that you guys communicate most. So of course,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's weird unless he says, you're texting
Speaker 1: me too much. I need in space. Then text them
Speaker 1: when you feel like you want to text them. That
Speaker 1: would be my advice. And here's a good example too.
Speaker 1: It's like when I travel and I'm away from calin
Speaker 1: a long time. Uh. I think if she could have
Speaker 1: it her way, she would want to talk on the
Speaker 1: phone far more often than we do. But I just
Speaker 1: I prefer to like text throughout the day. But I
Speaker 1: think she would rather like no texting that day and
Speaker 1: then just like one hour long FaceTime or something at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. But I don't personally like that.
Speaker 1: So we find a way to like make sure bold
Speaker 1: people get what they want, but it involves a lot
Speaker 1: less phone calls and more like texting throughout the day.
Speaker 1: So I guess my point to on that is it's
Speaker 1: just like everyone's different, everyone prefers different things. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter of like figuring out what works for you
Speaker 1: guys exactly. Finding I don't think. I don't think texting
Speaker 1: all days uh bad at all for me personally. I
Speaker 1: would prefer that text me, don't call me, Jared, if
Speaker 1: you ever call me, I'm probably gonna block you. Just
Speaker 1: text me, Okay, sounds good to me. I have no
Speaker 1: idea when I'd ever call you, but good to know.
Speaker 1: I'll note that Autumn. Uh. First of all, your name
Speaker 1: is awesome. I love that name, Autumn so and secondly,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. Three, thank you for emailing us
Speaker 1: in four. I hope that helped in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form, and I think that's going to do it
Speaker 1: for these week's episode of help I Suck at dating.
Speaker 1: A big thank you to, like I said, Autumn for
Speaker 1: emailing us in. Big thank you too, Dean for being
Speaker 1: as wonderful as he is. Big thank you to Mark
Speaker 1: for having a wonderful radio voice. And a big thank
Speaker 1: you too, of course our big guest Kaitlin Miller Keys,
Speaker 1: who was awesome and so generous to give her some
Speaker 1: of us some of her time towards the podcast. It
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't that bad, Dean. This wasn't a punishment
Speaker 1: for you. It wasn't. I'm glad we were able to
Speaker 1: do it. I am happy that you were the one
Speaker 1: that we did it with. I guess some softball. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, but honestly, a lot of the questions
Speaker 1: came from the Instagram questions that I asked, so a
Speaker 1: lot of the questions were from our listeners, not just me. Look,
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes before you fully jump into the pool,
Speaker 1: you gotta take your towel and just to kind of
Speaker 1: test as a little bit. And now we know what
Speaker 1: the water feels like, and maybe one of these days
Speaker 1: will fully jump in, but hey, who knows. I would
Speaker 1: love nothing more that will happen. Totally. I'm marking it
Speaker 1: down right now. I'm going to email producers Kalin jumped
Speaker 1: flat into the pool next podcast. That's gonna do it
Speaker 1: for today's episode, Jared, I appreciate you. I appreciate Becky
Speaker 1: Tomorio obviously. Thank you for being open with your stories
Speaker 1: and your experience as we look forward to hearing more
Speaker 1: from you guys. Obviously, thank you to Kalin for joining
Speaker 1: us on the podcast. Thank you Sucky Daters for joining
Speaker 1: us this week. We will very much look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing you next week, where maybe we will suck just
Speaker 1: a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating
Speaker 1: on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast