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Speaker 2: Talk to Cowboys family. Hi, Isaiah, how are you?
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 4: I don't get to talk to you every day.
Speaker 3: I saw you outside the building.
Speaker 4: Oh did you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? When was that you're working?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Like you you.
Speaker 4: Just saw me like walking in the building.
Speaker 3: No, I saw you when you were working calling a
Speaker 3: basketball game.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were at the Texas Legends game the other.
Speaker 4: Wise, how was it it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: It wasn't There's a lot going on on that building
Speaker 2: outside of the basketball.
Speaker 6: I feel like that's like the platform for all the
Speaker 6: marketing companies to try out their stuff. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 6: all the game activation and stuff like. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 6: that's where they try it first before it goes to
Speaker 6: the NBA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, Yeah, that's the best way
Speaker 2: that they do it. And it's nice because it helps
Speaker 2: the legends out and it helps the fans out. Like
Speaker 2: the fans, there's so much stuff to a lot, good food,
Speaker 2: good drinks.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's all age groups. Can't beat it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: can't beat it.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Isaiah was there.
Speaker 7: I tried to boarding your your fellow co hosts like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came in and supported for a little bit.
Speaker 2: I tried to throw him a T shirt, didn't get
Speaker 2: it there in time and she fell a little short.
Speaker 2: Had to lack of velocity.
Speaker 7: Show him how it goes, Isaiah, him to spin it.
Speaker 6: His wife did throw me some popcorn though, Yeah, she
Speaker 6: threw some popcorn that she has a cannon too.
Speaker 3: He must have run in the family.
Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, she a little different, but popcorn was just good.
Speaker 6: One dude in front of me, try snap and I said,
Speaker 6: you pull your hand back, you ain't gonna eat.
Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite part about it was Isaiah was
Speaker 2: across the floor from us, about about halfway up, and
Speaker 2: so I could see his whole family taking up the row.
Speaker 2: And it was a really good game. The Legends were
Speaker 2: down by three. Opposing team was at the free throw
Speaker 2: line to push it to four. He missed the free
Speaker 2: throw with four seconds left. Legends rebound, push it ahead
Speaker 2: to the half court, and then Delano banned one of
Speaker 2: those players that used to be in the NBA but
Speaker 2: now is in the G League put up a half
Speaker 2: court shot while the other team was trying to faul
Speaker 2: him before on the floor. So that was two free throws.
Speaker 2: They gave them all three free throws. He hit them
Speaker 2: all tight at winning and won overtime. And as I
Speaker 2: was watching all of this unfold, I would like peek
Speaker 2: up at Isaiah's family and they.
Speaker 4: Were super in.
Speaker 3: My son was all yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: It's pumping and the hair up.
Speaker 3: It was cool.
Speaker 7: Love good Texas Legend the game, especially with Kyle.
Speaker 3: On the cost. But you guys, would you guys, would
Speaker 3: you want to be seven six. No, dude, would you
Speaker 3: rather would you rather be four foot.
Speaker 7: Five or put seven to six?
Speaker 6: And here, everybody you have the choice, would you rather
Speaker 6: be four foot five or seven foot six?
Speaker 3: Seven foot six?
Speaker 8: All day for six, but I'd rather I'd rather be
Speaker 8: just a normal height.
Speaker 3: Seven six. What are you driving? Oh? Something custom? You
Speaker 3: find something you got a customize, if you got custom money,
Speaker 3: what do you drive?
Speaker 7: Fine? You don't have to drive the Flintstones car with
Speaker 7: the top off.
Speaker 3: This rose take, this train has taken.
Speaker 9: You can never fly anywhere though ever. Ever, Again, that sucks.
Speaker 9: It's hard for even a regular human being. Granted, you know,
Speaker 9: being five nine five ten, I'm a little more wider
Speaker 9: than than the typical person, but like getting on a
Speaker 9: plane is the worst.
Speaker 7: At seven, we.
Speaker 6: Were looking at they have a player down their team
Speaker 6: that's seven foot six, and I'm looking at I'm watching
Speaker 6: this dude stand up and his teammates like shoulders are
Speaker 6: at his.
Speaker 2: Hips and these are guys that are like six foot
Speaker 2: five and above. It was like, nobody is shorter than
Speaker 2: six five and they're at his shoulders his legs.
Speaker 3: It's nuts. Go go get your legs, bro.
Speaker 7: But then imagine just being Wemby too, though. Imagine being
Speaker 7: that bad to.
Speaker 3: Be in that agile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Wemby's a free You're you're a Superimby.
Speaker 3: Is that tall?
Speaker 4: That's slender means a little bit shorter, but by a lot.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 4: Jamerian has them by like those reference.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 6: I thought Wemby went from seven two to seven six
Speaker 6: is offseason this Yeah, they said he grew like four
Speaker 6: inches A no way, I promise you. That's right, I
Speaker 6: promise you. I'm not making this up.
Speaker 7: But he's a literal monster.
Speaker 3: I'm not making this up.
Speaker 7: That is slender Man. If you see him in the wood,
Speaker 7: it's over.
Speaker 2: Officially he is seven to four and Jamrian is officially
Speaker 2: seven five.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, an any Mavericks fans, by the way, I'll
Speaker 7: be at the MAVs. Given to Mark.
Speaker 4: Very nice at all. Right, let's get into news and notes, Patrick,
Speaker 4: let's do it.
Speaker 3: We had because we don't have the podcast every day.
Speaker 3: We have about to catch up on him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just talking Cowboys starts at ten o five.
Speaker 3: We just catching up.
Speaker 8: So first and four mostly start with some transactions. Obviously,
Speaker 8: everyone knows the headliners for free agency that are coming
Speaker 8: up to George Pickens of the world, Williams. But before
Speaker 8: you get to free agency officially, what you have to
Speaker 8: do is decide on which players that are currently under contract,
Speaker 8: your practice squad guys, some of your French players that
Speaker 8: you would like to keep their rights to, and those
Speaker 8: are called futures deals.
Speaker 3: The future not signing future.
Speaker 8: So futures deals were signed effect of last week early
Speaker 8: last week, and here are the aims for those players
Speaker 8: who whose rights are being controlled by the Cowboys through
Speaker 8: training camp, assuming that they are still in the roster
Speaker 8: at that point. We got safety Julius Wood, obviously undrafted
Speaker 8: guy out of Syracuse, showed some things on the practice squad.
Speaker 8: Zion Childress whom we are fans of that in this program,
Speaker 8: Isaiah Land. We would like to see more from Isaiah Land.
Speaker 8: He's here to be developed. Some more offensive line in
Speaker 8: Marcellus Johnson joined along with Nick Everett at different points
Speaker 8: in the season. Paris Campbell, he gets another shot at
Speaker 8: developing for him.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 8: Tray Shawn Holding, who we are fans of on this program,
Speaker 8: showed some great things in training camp. Didn't necessarily parlay those.
Speaker 8: He had a couple of plays in the preseason, but
Speaker 8: as far as. Yeah, he's here all year.
Speaker 2: All of these names are like throwing me back to
Speaker 2: summer and yeah camp and like watching from the sidelines
Speaker 2: in the preseason games, like that's just what all.
Speaker 8: This Isah, except for this one. I'm about to.
Speaker 3: Say, where the heck is Zion Childress to see if
Speaker 3: I can nail them?
Speaker 8: See if I ca nail this Israel, Abana, Kanda, A
Speaker 8: band of Canada, the three what I always miss his
Speaker 8: name up Yeah, Abandon Canadad. We had this this sodbar
Speaker 8: upstairs where Kyle was telling this funny story each one
Speaker 8: of these names, Like you have to commit to learning
Speaker 8: these names, and he's not been hit long enough for
Speaker 8: me to have committed to learning the name A Canada.
Speaker 7: A bandon Canda, Canada.
Speaker 3: I'll get it. Israel, I promise I'll get it.
Speaker 7: This here he kind of flews off the tongue. If
Speaker 7: you don't really look at it, you're just like a
Speaker 7: bit of.
Speaker 8: So proud that he had it nailed down ahead of
Speaker 8: a broadcast that he made sure he said it like
Speaker 8: ten times unnecessary.
Speaker 9: The thing, I'm surprised that I got it along with
Speaker 9: I mean, I know Kyle would get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is like when you start studying
Speaker 2: these names. And Abandon Canada was a guy in the
Speaker 2: draft that I really out of Pittsburgh. So when I
Speaker 2: was doing draft work, and usually right around Senior Bowl combine,
Speaker 2: we get like a pronunciation guy or we go and
Speaker 2: look it up from the colleges and as they go through,
Speaker 2: we sift through it and kind of get the pronunciations
Speaker 2: down for the tough names in the draft. So I
Speaker 2: make a point to go in and study that so
Speaker 2: that way when they are picked on draft day or
Speaker 2: if they come up in conversation through the draft process, that.
Speaker 4: I'm able to hit it.
Speaker 2: But it's even more so imperative when I'm calling a game.
Speaker 2: So like these random names that will pop up that
Speaker 2: have fifteen syllables and they like have all nothing, no
Speaker 2: valves in the entire name, and you got to find
Speaker 2: a way to say it the right way, but say
Speaker 2: it in the middle of a play. You have to
Speaker 2: study those names. Isaiah can speak to this. That's been
Speaker 2: one of the big things for you as you've gotten
Speaker 2: higher and higher in this business, even crazier starting next week.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean when you get all the syllables that
Speaker 9: are the same in a row, like a horror aura,
Speaker 9: you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, Like those names are a bend of candiacy.
Speaker 3: I got it the Polynesia.
Speaker 6: Phil MafA follow drops, you see, I didn't.
Speaker 8: More.
Speaker 7: I was too watching the Bone Temple yesterday.
Speaker 8: That okay, So those guys are going to be your
Speaker 8: futures and just turn it down really quickly again. Your
Speaker 8: futures deals are a ban of Canada holding Campbell, Everett,
Speaker 8: Marcellus Johnson, Isaiah lan Zion Childers, and Julius Wood. The
Speaker 8: players that did not get four players did not get
Speaker 8: futures deals. They are officially head of the free agency,
Speaker 8: but they'll probably be in one way, shape or form.
Speaker 8: Some of these will make their way back to training
Speaker 8: camp because we've seen it happen. Princeton Fant, Will Greer,
Speaker 8: Jalen Cropper, Ernest Brown not necessarily sure, but Jalen Cropper
Speaker 8: tends to stick around, find his way back in training camp.
Speaker 3: Princeton fan for a while now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Princeton Fant most certainly does and will Greer because
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are still unsettled that backup quarterback. He could
Speaker 8: have a shot at at coming back and trying to
Speaker 8: do some things. So those are the transactions. Now on
Speaker 8: a not positive note, cowboys had some issues with the law. Okay,
Speaker 8: So rookie defensive end Donovan is Roku, unfortunately was arrested
Speaker 8: by Plano police. And what we know is what I'm
Speaker 8: going to read you right from Texas Department of Public Safety, Okay,
Speaker 8: because in legal matters we only speak of what we know.
Speaker 8: We don't speculate at all. At eleven fifty four PM,
Speaker 8: a DPS trooper observed vehicle being operated recklessly on the
Speaker 8: southbound lanes of the Dallas North Tollway in Plano, Josh
Speaker 8: Modessness because Josh lives in Plano. The trooper initiated a
Speaker 8: traffic stop to investigate, which ultimately led to the arrest
Speaker 8: of the driver, and it lists Donovan Nezroku.
Speaker 3: So that's all we know.
Speaker 8: We don't know the determination or the reason for the
Speaker 8: determination of reckless driving. We don't know, you know, So
Speaker 8: we're not going to speculate. Yeah, that's what we know.
Speaker 8: Cowboys have not issued a statement on it just yet.
Speaker 2: The actually said no comment, no comment via the public
Speaker 2: relations department.
Speaker 8: It is a Class B misdemeanor and we'll let that
Speaker 8: flesh itself out. My additional concern is an obvious one is,
Speaker 8: of course, that opens the possibility of an NFL probe,
Speaker 8: and whenever an NFL probe is opened, that opens the
Speaker 8: possibility of a suspension for the next season. So keep
Speaker 8: an eye on that going forward. For Donovan israkl and
Speaker 8: I hate to see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just stay safe out there, guys. I don't
Speaker 4: know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, it might be fun to drive fast. I
Speaker 2: love driving fast, I love racing, I love all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, But.
Speaker 4: Like, you gotta be safe, man.
Speaker 2: Your life's in your hands at that point, and the
Speaker 2: lives of other people are in your hands at that.
Speaker 8: Point too, So we'll see how that that holds. But
Speaker 8: you know, the off season is here, and guys just
Speaker 8: need to be smart.
Speaker 2: And I believe his agent released a statement you can
Speaker 2: go see that online as well, where he basically talked
Speaker 2: about how he's gonna learn from this experience. There's no
Speaker 2: alcohol involved, so all of that is good, but you
Speaker 2: still gotta, yeah.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna learn, learn from this experience and move forward.
Speaker 8: Yeah, young man, We've all been young, We've all made mistakes,
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of things. Yeah, we're not gonna Yeah,
Speaker 8: we're not gonna get on the holier than dial. The
Speaker 8: good thing is is that no one was hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he can learn his lesson without him or someone else have,
Speaker 8: you know, being hurt. Perfect, no alcohol was involved. So
Speaker 8: he takes this lesson, he goes forward. We'll see what happens,
Speaker 8: and we'll see how the NFL you just to handle.
Speaker 6: I was going to say that underneath reckless driving, and
Speaker 6: that's what he got arrested for.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's excessive speedingcess thirty to forty miles over the
Speaker 8: speed limit. So if you're in a seventy you maybe
Speaker 8: going one hundred, you're going excessive driving.
Speaker 3: I just had driving under the influence.
Speaker 6: We just say that he was not under the influence, tailgating,
Speaker 6: disregarding traffic senters or stops, and he's on a freeway,
Speaker 6: so none of that racing other vehicles, potentially swerving erratically
Speaker 6: or making dangerous U turners. Well we're not doing any
Speaker 6: U turns on the toll way, so and.
Speaker 8: Swerving and I'm not his So basically he was just
Speaker 8: driving fast fast, yeah, yeah, and swerving radically. Could I
Speaker 8: mean that's that's the changing ternament that could be determined
Speaker 8: by the trooper.
Speaker 3: That's subjective.
Speaker 8: Correct trooper determined that if he was fine or cited
Speaker 8: for reckless driving because of that lane change. You know,
Speaker 8: we aggressive lane changes happen depending on what city you're from.
Speaker 3: Absolutely they happened.
Speaker 8: I desire and if if you're doing aggressive lane change, I.
Speaker 4: Saw I saw Patrick do it one this morning.
Speaker 3: Whenever he see what I mean when I say, oh, sorry,
Speaker 3: I just talk that was quick.
Speaker 8: Just talk about stitches, frist co plice. It be your guys,
Speaker 8: all right, but now we will see all jokes aside. Thankfully, thankfully, thankfully,
Speaker 8: can't stress this, stress this enough. No one was hurt,
Speaker 8: no alcohol was involved. Lesson to be learned here by
Speaker 8: the young man. He's, you know, twenty twenty one. He'll
Speaker 8: learn from it. And let's see how the NFL handles
Speaker 8: handles it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we've got some grades to hand out
Speaker 2: to Oh it's the end of the year. We've now
Speaker 2: had a kind of a week to kind of settle
Speaker 2: in on what the twenty twenty five season was for Dallas.
Speaker 2: Today we're gonna give out our report card grades across
Speaker 2: the board. We're gonna just fill out the report card,
Speaker 2: each subject, each position group. But I want to start
Speaker 2: in this segment. We got about five minutes here. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start with Brian Schottenheimer. You're one as head coach
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: This is a numbered scale or is this is a
Speaker 3: through F letter grades.
Speaker 4: That's a terrible nickname.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was pretty badass, so it might be.
Speaker 9: Eight years later, baby, all right, let me give Shaddy
Speaker 9: a B minus. I feel like, uh, not only did
Speaker 9: he have a lot of I mean that the whole
Speaker 9: team had a lot of.
Speaker 7: Struggles throughout the season.
Speaker 9: I mean, of course on the defensive side, but like
Speaker 9: the personal side and uh personnel, I mean, if you
Speaker 9: I mean look at it, Marshall Neelan. Of course, like
Speaker 9: that happening in the middle of the season was a
Speaker 9: big hurdle to to get through, and you know it
Speaker 9: motivated your team obviously through a three game win streak,
Speaker 9: which I think is the encapsulation of what you expect.
Speaker 7: From Broughton, Brian schein Humber moving forward.
Speaker 9: I think that three game stretch told you what you
Speaker 9: needed to know, and I think right after that, when
Speaker 9: you know you go up to Detroit and you lose
Speaker 9: that game. That kind of it brought you back to
Speaker 9: earth a little bit, you know, because that they're riding
Speaker 9: high on that three game win streak. The second you
Speaker 9: lose that game, it kind of it's indicative of where
Speaker 9: the team was really at. You know, you look really
Speaker 9: strong in those three games, and then to lose a
Speaker 9: must win game in Detroit that kind of showed all
Speaker 9: of the bruising and the the true identity of the
Speaker 9: personnel that you guys that you had. To me, that
Speaker 9: was that was sort of the nail in the coffin
Speaker 9: for the season. However, that three game win streak, Please
Speaker 9: reference that going forward in terms of Broughton shut Brant.
Speaker 9: That's where you got a build because that felt like
Speaker 9: the culture, the personnel, everyone coming together, and that's how
Speaker 9: I think the identity of the team will be moving
Speaker 9: forward once we have better personnel, better coaching, all those things.
Speaker 9: But I think that was the the antithesis of that.
Speaker 6: I too, am going to go be minus reasons being
Speaker 6: a big portion of that obviously is because the playoffs
Speaker 6: were not getting hit right, so you're definitely not getting
Speaker 6: a I think that he handled and he handled a
Speaker 6: number of storms year obviously, Marsha n Neeland. Obviously, the trade
Speaker 6: of your best defensive player, the disgruntleness of another one
Speaker 6: of your your other supposed best defensive player, and then
Speaker 6: dismissal of him at the end of the season.
Speaker 7: And he had a good game against the.
Speaker 6: Losing yeah, yeah, one player. Losing two guys. Losing two
Speaker 6: guys who are supposed to be huge contributors for your
Speaker 6: defense is a lot to bear culturally for your team,
Speaker 6: especially for a new coach coming in trying to.
Speaker 4: Especially with the brash personalities that they both had.
Speaker 6: Absolutely right, So there's a lot of resistance there, right.
Speaker 6: So Shotty came out and did his thing on offense,
Speaker 6: But when you're the head coach, you're responsible for more
Speaker 6: than one third of the game. He I don't believe
Speaker 6: that he fully had his imprint on the defense.
Speaker 3: As a whole. No, not talking to calling plays.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about to the character and identity that he
Speaker 6: is trying to embody within this team. I don't think
Speaker 6: that was represented defensively consistently, and I definitely don't think
Speaker 6: that what he is, what he stands for, was his
Speaker 6: imprint was definitely not there on the special teams unit.
Speaker 3: So we started talking about one third of the game.
Speaker 6: Was what he envisions this team to be, from the character,
Speaker 6: from the competitiveness, from the will and determination.
Speaker 3: I is it to be minus minus?
Speaker 6: Maybe you know what I'm saying from that regard, because
Speaker 6: I believe that as his responsibility to ensure that these
Speaker 6: coaches are getting the most out of their players, regardless
Speaker 6: of who you have on your roster, that identity should
Speaker 6: still be there, that ethos should still show up in
Speaker 6: all aspects of the game. You might not be as successful,
Speaker 6: but you should know that. Okay, that's still a shoddy team,
Speaker 6: right or that's still a whatever type of team. So
Speaker 6: I'm probably gonna be minus minus in that regard. He
Speaker 6: handled the Storms, did not make the playoffs, and did
Speaker 6: not show the character of the team through two thirds
Speaker 6: of the phase of the game.
Speaker 8: So I'm be minus minus. I was close to be minus.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna land right on a sea. I'm gonna
Speaker 8: land on this.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 4: I don't even like sees get degrees.
Speaker 8: The reason I say that is because, like you guys
Speaker 8: are talking about their levels too great and shotty. Because
Speaker 8: he's not only the head coach, he is the offensive
Speaker 8: play caller as well, So then you have to kind
Speaker 8: of parse and parcel those things. So when you when
Speaker 8: you extrapolate the offensive play calling side of it, for me,
Speaker 8: that's a B minus because it's it's impossible to give
Speaker 8: him a failing grade or anything near it. When you
Speaker 8: have a four thousand yard passer, a thousand yard rusher
Speaker 8: to thousand yard receivers, that that matters, had a historic season,
Speaker 8: that means something. But what I don't like from the
Speaker 8: offensive play calling standpoint is I saw too much inconsistency. Yes, okay,
Speaker 8: even if we look at just the back half of
Speaker 8: the season and shrink it to this one micro they
Speaker 8: went from having fast starts, excuse me, slow starts and
Speaker 8: fast finishes, and the question was can you figure out
Speaker 8: the fast starts. Well, they figured that out and then
Speaker 8: they started having fast starts and cold finishes finishes. So
Speaker 8: there has to be consistency through full quarters there of
Speaker 8: his offensive play calling, and yes it goes to the
Speaker 8: players in execution as well, But when it becomes a trend,
Speaker 8: then you have to look at the coach. Okay, so
Speaker 8: offensive play caller, we talked about it. He does have
Speaker 8: room to grow. He does have room to evolve. He's
Speaker 8: conciding to know that he had a record setting offense
Speaker 8: and still has room to grow. But the fact is
Speaker 8: the inconsistency drops the grade to be minus from offensive
Speaker 8: play caller, and then head coach will get to in
Speaker 8: a second.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just just on that.
Speaker 9: It's like you could almost split up those things into
Speaker 9: their own categories too, Like you're giving Shoddy an overall grade,
Speaker 9: but if you could give Shoddy a grade for offensive
Speaker 9: play calling versus like culture, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Those are all different.
Speaker 2: Squad At the end of the day, you're the head
Speaker 2: coach's all of it falls under your own.
Speaker 3: Band as absolutely, and as head coach it's a D. Right.
Speaker 8: So if I'm going to give him the B minus
Speaker 8: full an offensive play caller, I'm going to give him
Speaker 8: a D for a head coach. The reason I'm not
Speaker 8: going to fail him as a head coach is because
Speaker 8: he really did whether a lot of storms, none bigger
Speaker 8: than the loss of Marshawn near no right. So he
Speaker 8: was able to pull the team together, be that leader
Speaker 8: that the team needed, and there was accountability that was
Speaker 8: held to. When you talk about players like Jaydon Blue
Speaker 8: and players on the offensive side of the ball. The
Speaker 8: accountability was there. That's the key, jayaln tobert the ball.
Speaker 8: That's why I said it that way. On the offensive
Speaker 8: side of the ball, the accountability was one hundred percent there.
Speaker 8: So from that capacity as a head coach, you're looking good.
Speaker 8: Here's where you're almost failed the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 8: He wasn't involved in nearly as early enough when the
Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball started failing. From a coaching standpoint,
Speaker 8: coordinated with Matt ebra Fluss, didn't get involved early enough,
Speaker 8: didn't have as heavy of a hand as he needed
Speaker 8: to once he did get involved. Okay, the accountability that
Speaker 8: existed within for the players on the offensive side of
Speaker 8: the ball seems to have been deleted on the defensive
Speaker 8: side of the ball.
Speaker 3: And we can throw names subjectively.
Speaker 8: You could say Jack sam Bourne was on the field
Speaker 8: too long prior to getting injured. You could say Kenneth
Speaker 8: Murray got too many snaps when Marris lea file should
Speaker 8: have been getting developed. All of these things and more. Okay,
Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball was a complete and utter failure.
Speaker 8: That is an f offensive side of the ball was successful.
Speaker 8: So when you mix all these grades together, and this
Speaker 8: is including I pose the question because I think Eberflus,
Speaker 8: if once the writing was on the wall, should have
Speaker 8: been let go in December and you should have test
Speaker 8: driven Whitecotton so that when you're interviewing Whitecotton amongst these
Speaker 8: other candidates which we'll get to, you would have had
Speaker 8: that real time data to say, this is what the
Speaker 8: bay in might be.
Speaker 3: So all told see.
Speaker 9: And I don't know if it was confirmed or not,
Speaker 9: but they were saying because of the move from Eberflus
Speaker 9: to the booth, that kind of led them to determine
Speaker 9: if white Cotton was a suitable voice for the sideline
Speaker 9: defense as that the fact of coordinator on the.
Speaker 7: Field that ain't enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they were like, make it enough, but
Speaker 3: it didn't.
Speaker 7: Look any better. It looked exactly the same as you
Speaker 7: used to.
Speaker 9: But again to your point, there was no accountability on
Speaker 9: the defensive side of the.
Speaker 3: Ball exactly, and Whitecotton.
Speaker 8: When Eberflus moved to the booth, Yes, Whitecotton was then
Speaker 8: tasked with doing a bit more on the sideline, but
Speaker 8: really he was still just communicating the h Yeah, he
Speaker 8: wasn't calling the place. So the test drift still did
Speaker 8: not exist.
Speaker 2: And we've seen some of the behind the scenes footage
Speaker 2: from this, from the the sounds of the sideline. If
Speaker 2: one guy was keeping people accountable, it would have.
Speaker 4: Been Aaron White Cotton in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Regardless, there is proof that he was an accountability for
Speaker 2: that defense part of it, not all of it, but
Speaker 2: just pieces of the accountability as a whole. Now, we
Speaker 2: got to move on or else we're not going to
Speaker 2: get to any other grades. But I do want to
Speaker 2: say my grade C minus. I'm a big believer in
Speaker 2: Bill park Sells quote that you are who your record
Speaker 2: says you are, which you're seven nine and one. So
Speaker 2: for me, even five hundred, it's C. Being below five
Speaker 2: hundred means you're probably a D plus C minus. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give him the upper edge of a C minus
Speaker 2: because he did weather some things, and as you guys
Speaker 2: already outlined and talked about, all of that is the case.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say a C minus for Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2: Why are you looking at me like that such a
Speaker 2: harsh father. You are what you're at says you are.
Speaker 2: You were seven nine and one and you're below five hundred.
Speaker 7: Yeah, with that line of thinking Dak's gonna be a
Speaker 7: C minus too like everybody.
Speaker 4: Doctor Prescott was not below five hundred.
Speaker 2: But with that being said, we do have to talk
Speaker 2: about the offense when we come back. We're gonna give
Speaker 2: our offensive grades for the twenty twenty five season. More
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Speaker 2: our official grade of the season. On the offensive side
Speaker 2: of the football, let's start with the quarterback position. Josh,
Speaker 2: you mentioned in a moment ago, where would you go
Speaker 2: with Dak Prescott?
Speaker 9: I mean, if this is Kyle's grade, it's going to
Speaker 9: be cus because your record is what you said, head coach,
Speaker 9: this is what I'm saying. Dak Prescott earned an A
Speaker 9: grade for the season. I think that there were some
Speaker 9: games that's where obviously when protection was was kind of
Speaker 9: collapsing on him. He wasn't as successful, obviously, because you
Speaker 9: need your team around.
Speaker 7: You to be successful.
Speaker 9: But at least for Dak Prescott, for my money, he
Speaker 9: was the best player on the field on both sides
Speaker 9: of the ball, absolutely and just genuinely a reason why
Speaker 9: he's the highest paid player on your team. I don't
Speaker 9: think there's any doubt about it. If you think the
Speaker 9: failure of your season is on Deck's shoulders. I vehemently
Speaker 9: disagree with you. Dak Prescott is is the guy like
Speaker 9: you were being nice there, No, genuinely, I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 9: like you're just not watching the same thing that we're watching.
Speaker 9: That here, he was the best player that you had,
Speaker 9: so h and you want to build on that. He's
Speaker 9: at an elite level and please, please, please do everything
Speaker 9: you can front office to put the best players around
Speaker 9: Dak Prescott right now in the prime.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I feel like we're going to piss off the deck
Speaker 8: caters today within the fanily.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is. It's an A for me.
Speaker 8: It's not an A plus because it leaves some meat
Speaker 8: on the bone, Believe it or not. Four thousand plus
Speaker 8: yard passer overtook Tony Romo for the franchise leader in
Speaker 8: that category as far as single season goes, so or
Speaker 8: all the time, I should say, but what I saw
Speaker 8: from Dak Prescott was more decisiveness. I saw throws that
Speaker 8: looked better all over the field, no matter if you
Speaker 8: because we all know he's seen God, but you saw
Speaker 8: him making throws consistently outside of that that proved that
Speaker 8: he's an elite quarterback. What I also saw, which I
Speaker 8: can't stress enough is more often than not in the
Speaker 8: past several years. This season, when Dak Prescott saw green,
Speaker 8: he took green.
Speaker 3: Okay, he has his.
Speaker 8: Mobility, he got active with his legs. Is he the
Speaker 8: fastest guy out there? Absolutely not, but he tried to
Speaker 8: make some things happen and he moved the chain several
Speaker 8: times with his legs as well. Keep that going, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8: That'll help alleviate whatever issues with the offensive line that
Speaker 8: the Cowboys might have. To Josh's point, fix the offensive
Speaker 8: line and fix it this year however you need to
Speaker 8: do it, fix it, free agency, draft, whatever you need
Speaker 8: to do, fix it. But for Dak Prescott, it's an A.
Speaker 3: For me, that's a for everything that you guys said.
Speaker 4: I want to add just a stat to and I'm
Speaker 4: right there with you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say a across the board Isay and I
Speaker 2: cancel each other out a lot, which is really fun
Speaker 2: because he's got the quarterback vision and the film study.
Speaker 2: I watch film, but I was never a quarterback, so
Speaker 2: it's still not to the same level. So I tend
Speaker 2: to rely on stats quite a bit to back up
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing on the film. I looked at this
Speaker 2: stat the other day and I said, this is the
Speaker 2: microcosm of what Dak Prescott has been as the quarterback
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. Dak Prescott targeted a tight window
Speaker 2: on nearly twenty percent twenty percent of his attempts this season.
Speaker 2: That's the second highest rate in the league. His targets
Speaker 2: average three point three yards of separation. It's the seventh
Speaker 2: fewest in the NFL. So you're telling me the targets
Speaker 2: that he's throwing to have the seventh worst separation in
Speaker 2: the NFL. He's targeted them more than anybody else except
Speaker 2: for one person in the NFL on tight window throws,
Speaker 2: and he finished as the number three passer in the
Speaker 2: n Also, not to mention, he has a top five
Speaker 2: highest tight window rate in each of the last four seasons.
Speaker 2: So this is not an anomaly with Dak Prescott. That
Speaker 2: means that dude's balling oh out. That's all that is.
Speaker 2: That is you're in a situation that is not favorable
Speaker 2: for you as a quarterback, and you still ended up
Speaker 2: as a league leader, as one of the best players
Speaker 2: on the field, and continued to be a franchise quarterback
Speaker 2: a for Dak not an A plus because you need
Speaker 2: to have a little jewelry, I think, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: to have an A plus, or at least get close
Speaker 2: to the jewelry to get an A plus. He didn't
Speaker 2: get there, but as far as he could control in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, it was about as good of a
Speaker 2: season as you could ask for from Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8: So I'm gonna give him and a real quick start
Speaker 8: to add to that, and we'll move on. Is the
Speaker 8: Cowboys receivers led the league in potential yards lost due
Speaker 8: to drops?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 8: So yeah, half almost forty six hundred yards passing thirty
Speaker 8: touchdo down to only ten interceptions and everything that Kyle
Speaker 8: just said. But Cowboys receivers left the most yardage on
Speaker 8: the field via drops than any of the thirty two
Speaker 8: NFL tain.
Speaker 4: I don't like those words running back.
Speaker 3: What you're great for?
Speaker 4: Running back, pack for the room, room for the room,
Speaker 4: not just.
Speaker 8: One, not just Javonte, because I believe in Javonte. Javonte
Speaker 8: gets to a plush Javonte William Let's se Javonte gets
Speaker 8: to a plus. I'm gonna give him Alik an a
Speaker 8: because nobody expected, few expected Malite to do what he
Speaker 8: did in the backup role, uh and staving off Jay
Speaker 8: and Blue. But behind those two guys, ooh, things did
Speaker 8: not look good. You didn't get to see Phil Maffa
Speaker 8: until week eighteen, and then you saw, you know, only
Speaker 8: a handful of carries. They didn't really use them. Love
Speaker 8: what I saw for Jay and Blue, but not until
Speaker 8: that game.
Speaker 3: By Miles Sanders.
Speaker 8: Miles Sanders, that experiment did not work out. Whatsoever, body
Speaker 8: your he was.
Speaker 7: He had a few good carriers, he had a few
Speaker 7: good carry He got hurt.
Speaker 3: He got hurt early on. Yes, ended his season. Yep.
Speaker 3: Did the experiment work out?
Speaker 7: It was fine?
Speaker 8: No, No, this is not me throwing shade. It didn't work out.
Speaker 8: It either worked or it didn't work. Did it work?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's over yet, So I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm okay it's work, but it hasn't worked.
Speaker 4: I guess that's fine.
Speaker 8: Did it work in twenty five forle Sanders, No, just
Speaker 8: let it go, let it out.
Speaker 3: No, Sanders.
Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is he got hey, man,
Speaker 8: he showed some things to training camp, showed some things
Speaker 8: you know, preseason early.
Speaker 3: Got to hold onto the ball, got to hold onto
Speaker 3: the ball. Yeah, that was big.
Speaker 8: That was big, but ultimately it didn't work out in
Speaker 8: twenty five. Maybe he gets another shot here in twenty six.
Speaker 8: But bottom line is the sciences, the science. It didn't
Speaker 8: work out. A plus for Javonte A from Elie Davis,
Speaker 8: but then you start getting into the d's and the
Speaker 8: failing grades, but they carry so.
Speaker 7: C plus care I'm going to be I think.
Speaker 9: I think mainly because of course, Javontay Williams is not
Speaker 9: someone that we expected really to have the season that
Speaker 9: he did. Going into training camp, I think we were
Speaker 9: all sort of like, all right, what are we doing
Speaker 9: with running back situation? It's been two years now that
Speaker 9: we haven't had a solidified number one running back. Javonte
Speaker 9: obviously made an impact this season. He's a guy that
Speaker 9: you want to inter team moving forward. I hope you
Speaker 9: resign him, But then again, I don't think there was
Speaker 9: enough behind Javante.
Speaker 7: I really don't. Mollie Davis was definitely a great spell back.
Speaker 4: But even that was unexpected.
Speaker 2: It was totally even the team didn't know that they
Speaker 2: had that because they cut him and then they brought
Speaker 2: him back, and then they were like, Okay, maybe this
Speaker 2: guy's got something and that was a surprise.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I think what you were expecting to get
Speaker 9: out of Jaydon Blue and film Off obviously did not
Speaker 9: come to fruition during the season. And whenever you did
Speaker 9: have Jaydon Blue, obviously there were some characteristics or just
Speaker 9: the culture things that he wasn't necessarily getting right to
Speaker 9: get him on the field.
Speaker 7: And you know, he was inactive basically the season.
Speaker 9: A guy that you would expect to carry some of
Speaker 9: the load with Javante, but he used Javonte and ran
Speaker 9: him into the ground obviously. I mean he had a
Speaker 9: lot of health issues towards the end of the season
Speaker 9: and playing through a lot of injuries. To B plus
Speaker 9: for the group, I think if your offensive line would
Speaker 9: have been better, might have gotten a A. I, sir,
Speaker 9: have to stand on this table and say that at
Speaker 9: the training camp talking Cowboys, I was perfectly fine with
Speaker 9: the running back room.
Speaker 7: Yeah you were, Yeah, yep, I give you credit.
Speaker 3: I felt pretty good about it.
Speaker 6: Everybody didn't want to give Javonte any any love, and
Speaker 6: I was like, Hey, that man could play some ball. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, so I give the whole room B plus,
Speaker 6: I give the whole room A B plus mainly because
Speaker 6: of the stamps that I don't believe that they were
Speaker 6: ever a threat in the passing game. That's one aspect
Speaker 6: that I would have liked to have seen. And I
Speaker 6: also think that we were not as explosive. We didn't
Speaker 6: have the explosive plays out of that particular position group
Speaker 6: the way in which you would have hoped because the
Speaker 6: you know, we had the one punch, you didn't have
Speaker 6: one the two portion of the one too.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: You guys just mentioned some of the reasons why, right.
Speaker 7: Molie Davis had quite a few of those two though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he had more explosive plays than anybody for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, but it was mostly late in the year.
Speaker 4: It was exactly that game.
Speaker 3: So had we had that earlier in the year, and
Speaker 3: that might you know, second think they.
Speaker 2: Were hoping that to be Sanders he gets hurt, then
Speaker 2: they were hoping it to blue Blue. He doesn't show
Speaker 2: out the way that he wanted to. Then they find
Speaker 2: Malik Davis and they're like, oh, wow, he can do that.
Speaker 3: Which he's been around for the last fourteen years whatever.
Speaker 7: It's been a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been around, bro, it feels like forever. He's
Speaker 3: had a good camp. That's crazy. Yeah, so no, so
Speaker 3: I'll give a B plus.
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. And they were top ten
Speaker 2: in yards per game. They were ninth in that category,
Speaker 2: ninth I think in yards per play as well.
Speaker 4: That means you're a top ten rushing attack.
Speaker 2: And we're talking about the guys that get the c's
Speaker 2: and the apps.
Speaker 4: Kind of the way that Patrick outlined it a moment ago.
Speaker 2: The majority of the carries went to the guys that
Speaker 2: I'm going to great highly. That's Williams Davis of course,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a bee. I
Speaker 2: think it was a solid running game. Is better than
Speaker 2: I anticipated it because I was very negative toward that early.
Speaker 2: I like Javonte Williams as a signing, but I thought
Speaker 2: it was because it was a value.
Speaker 4: I didn't think he.
Speaker 2: Would be a twelve hundred yard pressure with ten touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That's different. Uh, that's where he exceeded my expectations. Malie Davis,
Speaker 2: of course exceeded my expectations. Everybody else that was my expectation.
Speaker 2: Jayden Blue, I didn't expect much from film. Afo didn't
Speaker 2: even get on the team until the final week of
Speaker 2: the regular season. So they're still worry in the running
Speaker 2: back room, especially if you don't bring back Javante. But
Speaker 2: Javonte exceeded expectations, so I got to give it a.
Speaker 7: Be quick yes.
Speaker 9: No on this for you guys, Do you change the
Speaker 9: running back room at all from what it is right now?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: If like at all, like bring everybody back? No, I'm good.
Speaker 3: No, I can do it.
Speaker 7: You're cool with this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Because as is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I need no extra juice. I need to
Speaker 3: see more from Jason.
Speaker 6: I stay the same with development.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would personnel guys to grow.
Speaker 7: In week eight. You did see Jay and Blue. You
Speaker 7: did see film MafA.
Speaker 9: I think they showed you good things that you're like, Man,
Speaker 9: where was this during the season, dude? But if you
Speaker 9: keep that personnel, obviously some maturing needs to happen.
Speaker 4: Question.
Speaker 6: I think you have personality personnel wise, you have everything
Speaker 6: that you want. Javonte Williams gives you the most versatile
Speaker 6: of everything. Then you have Blue if he can come along,
Speaker 6: that's your explosive back, and then you got Phil MafA,
Speaker 6: who's your power back. Those are that's you have the
Speaker 6: aspects that you want right the holes that you need
Speaker 6: to feel. Now, are they where they need to be at? No,
Speaker 6: but that falls on the responsibility of the coaches.
Speaker 3: I forget about keep those four and then Bankanda, all.
Speaker 2: Right, we're gonna go rapid fire here. Everybody. You get
Speaker 2: thirty seconds to give your point. Wide receiver go.
Speaker 4: Your time's already started.
Speaker 7: I know thing, so let me go. Let me go
Speaker 7: wide receiver. A.
Speaker 9: Of course ceedlam George Pickens two one thousand yard receivers,
Speaker 9: and of course you're s Souf Illinois step up be
Speaker 9: the third receiver.
Speaker 7: Halfway through?
Speaker 4: All right, man, I'm talking like damn plus five seconds.
Speaker 4: You got it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Flinoy finally stepped up halfway through the season. You
Speaker 9: gave him a shot when obviously everyone was ready for
Speaker 9: that to happen. And I think now you have three
Speaker 9: wide receivers as long as you resign. George Pickens, please
Speaker 9: do that. A.
Speaker 8: Now talk over me for five seconds so we can
Speaker 8: balance it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to you, may I know we
Speaker 3: can't do like the other show. I'm going B plus.
Speaker 8: And the reason I say B plus is because obviously
Speaker 8: you talk about two thousand yard receivers in CD and
Speaker 8: George and then the you know ryf Leinoyd showing out
Speaker 8: like he needed to show out, see you flow, but
Speaker 8: at the same time ceedee lamb. He did suffer some injury,
Speaker 8: he missed some games. He had some critical drops that
Speaker 8: kind of cost. I mean it cost first game Eagles game.
Speaker 8: In the opener, Cavante Turpin, he was inconsistent. He contributed,
Speaker 8: but then he didn't contribute. Jalen Tobert moved backwards. So
Speaker 8: all told B plus, give me a minus?
Speaker 4: Why is that?
Speaker 6: I mean everything you guys already said it. Solid group,
Speaker 6: definitely a threatening group. I think probably the most dangerous
Speaker 6: outside of the Rams in terms of combos this year. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they were successful and then you had you know, you
Speaker 6: had an actual number three receiver step up.
Speaker 3: So I mean they're they're a dangerous unit.
Speaker 6: When you for any defensive coordinator, you know, if you
Speaker 6: keep that three, if you keep that three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you keep that three, I'm good with whatever
Speaker 2: else else happens in that room.
Speaker 4: Rule that's fine where he's at.
Speaker 6: That group gets more dangerous with better play from Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 2: Okay, with that being said, I'm gonna say a minus
Speaker 2: for wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Tight ends get us started tight ends.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go be minus this year.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you gave it a B be minus.
Speaker 6: Okay, I just I mean they were subjected to the
Speaker 6: calls that were being They're there, they were they were
Speaker 6: being had right, so they were doing a lot of
Speaker 6: helping the offensive line. The offensive line really affected their
Speaker 6: ability this year to be able to push things down
Speaker 6: the field. I think we saw early on a disconnection
Speaker 6: between Dak and the tight end group, and it came
Speaker 6: on later on and became great red zone threats and
Speaker 6: nice five yard options, but they were not what you
Speaker 6: would hope to them to have been collectively as a
Speaker 6: union in term of being a threat in the seams
Speaker 6: and alleviating pressure from the outside receivers.
Speaker 9: I am at a c right now for tight ends.
Speaker 9: I think Jake Ferguson alone is not enough of a target,
Speaker 9: is a not I think he needs help on the
Speaker 9: other side, on his opposite side, And I'm kind of tired,
Speaker 9: I'm a little I don't think he has it. No
Speaker 9: not that I don't think he has it, I think
Speaker 9: he needs help. I think he needs a tight end
Speaker 9: on the other side of him that is more of
Speaker 9: a threat in the receiving game because you've relied so
Speaker 9: much on tight ends blocking for you, because the offensive
Speaker 9: line has not been where it needs to be. That
Speaker 9: I feel like without a true threat at tight end
Speaker 9: on the opposit side of Jake Ferguson, you don't have
Speaker 9: the most efficient offense.
Speaker 7: Because everyone knows, like, all right, as long as we
Speaker 7: got Jake covered, we have CD covered, we're pretty much okay.
Speaker 9: For me, you would only improve Jake Ferguson's production by
Speaker 9: having a receiving tight end on the other side. That's
Speaker 9: going to give you some athleticism, some run after catch ability.
Speaker 9: To me, that was Brevin span Ford. They didn't rely
Speaker 9: on him that I would argue he's on that, he's there,
Speaker 9: but they don't rely on him as a receiving threat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean he whenever he did have the ball in
Speaker 9: his hands, whenever he didn't make a catch, he was
Speaker 9: a electric.
Speaker 6: That's why I asked you a question, do they have
Speaker 6: the guy or do you need to go get the guy?
Speaker 7: They have the guy.
Speaker 9: I know their thought is like, well, he needs to
Speaker 9: be a great run blocker, Please stop with that, just
Speaker 9: because his size make the offensive line better.
Speaker 8: Yeah, minus really quickly, so C minus overall, Jake Ferguson
Speaker 8: had a career best start. He had a cold finish.
Speaker 8: He also suffered fumbles this season. Didn't see I mean
Speaker 8: he saw a player two from Schoolmaker, But over the
Speaker 8: course of the entire season, it was a forgettable season
Speaker 8: for Schoolmaker. We just talked about Brevon span Is on
Speaker 8: the roster, however they've yet to unleash him as a
Speaker 8: receiving threat. And behind Breven span Ford, you have more
Speaker 8: of your special teams guys like a Princeton fan right,
Speaker 8: So as a whole Sea minus.
Speaker 2: Minus, I just don't think it was the you saw
Speaker 2: the fast start to the season to Jake Ferguson, you
Speaker 2: saw exactly what their vision of him was. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get the five yards and a cloud of dust and
Speaker 2: just get him reception after reception after reception. He finished
Speaker 2: second on the team in receptions, but he finished fifth
Speaker 2: on the team and yards. I believe behind Pickens, Lamb
Speaker 2: Flinoy is fourth on the team in yards.
Speaker 6: So my only pushback to you guys's rankings. You guys
Speaker 6: are entitled to your rankings. Obviously, I think the room
Speaker 6: got better. Jake took a step back.
Speaker 3: The room got better.
Speaker 4: You're saying spam Ford.
Speaker 6: Schoomaker did get better. Goo Maker made strides. Breven span
Speaker 6: Ford made strides. Both of those guys are substantially better
Speaker 6: tight ends this year than they were last year. It's
Speaker 6: not even close.
Speaker 4: Part of that is because my expectation was going to
Speaker 4: be higher for them.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I thought they were a D like I
Speaker 2: think I do think they got better.
Speaker 3: They were not very good.
Speaker 6: Those guys made a heck of a leap in a bound.
Speaker 6: I think Jake took a step back right, So I
Speaker 6: think obviously a lot is on his shoulders, you know,
Speaker 6: bearing the weight of the tight end room, which he does,
Speaker 6: but you have to take it. Okay, Jake's over here.
Speaker 6: What did the rest of the room do. Jake went
Speaker 6: down a notch, The rest of the room went up
Speaker 6: one and a half, not just to me. So I
Speaker 6: think the room collectively is more dangerous as a unit.
Speaker 6: Jake was not as dangerous as an individual outside of
Speaker 6: his routes that he was running.
Speaker 2: I like that, but it's all perspective because last year
Speaker 2: I thought they were a D or a D plus.
Speaker 4: Now I'm giving them a C or a C minus.
Speaker 4: I like they are better. I just don't think they're there.
Speaker 8: Right, And I can't rightfully give the wide receivers a
Speaker 8: B plus, which is what I'm standing on, and then
Speaker 8: give the tight ends a B or C plus because
Speaker 8: the gap is noticeable from wide receiver.
Speaker 3: To tight end. So you said it yourself, he said,
Speaker 3: this is a noticeable The.
Speaker 6: Wide receivers could have benefited from Jake Ribers and step
Speaker 6: running down the field. Yes, just get up there, get
Speaker 6: on the.
Speaker 4: Tight end all right, quickly, offensive line go C minus
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 8: Okay, d your offensive tackles.
Speaker 4: I would say, I'll say C minus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say a C.
Speaker 8: Tyler Booker carries Tyler Smith carries Cooper b B had injury,
Speaker 8: missed some time, but he helps carry your your off
Speaker 8: that's fair, but your offen and that's a discussion.
Speaker 3: But your offensive tackles were wreck Yeah, it was you failed.
Speaker 8: Do you have Cherry still had a good stretch like
Speaker 8: during that three game win Street what you talked about
Speaker 8: and right, but again, but you got to factor that
Speaker 8: in lack of availability. And then Nate Thomas when he played,
Speaker 8: he didn't play well, but then he suffered from availability
Speaker 8: issues to the point where you had to pop Tyler
Speaker 8: Smith out created this whole storm of is he a guard?
Speaker 8: Is he your offensive tackle position failed you? That's an F.
Speaker 8: So with me overall, it's a D because some carry
Speaker 8: but not enough to get it to a C.
Speaker 7: Smith and Booker are the only dogs Hunt.
Speaker 8: A plus for Booker, A plus for Tyler Smith, Tyler BB,
Speaker 8: I'd say a C. Right, Cooper, then Hooper BB. I'm sorry,
Speaker 8: it's Tyler babe. But then he goes right off of
Speaker 8: a cliff when you get to the outside.
Speaker 4: So all right, we're gonna take our second break.
Speaker 2: We're not going to do defensive grades in this show
Speaker 2: because I don't want to rush it. Yeah, we'll do
Speaker 2: it in the next show next week. Hey, because we
Speaker 2: have another one next week. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: the defense a little bit. But when we come back,
Speaker 2: let's talk about some of the names that have popped up.
Speaker 3: In terms of coordinators.
Speaker 2: Coordinators that are requested for interviews. That's something we can
Speaker 2: talk about on this.
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Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Indeed, Kyle, there are six names.
Speaker 2: There are six that have been reported to be requested
Speaker 2: and or interviewed for the open defensive coordinator position.
Speaker 4: Who are those six names?
Speaker 8: And each of these have either been interviewed already or
Speaker 8: will be interviewed today. Okay, they're in the building and
Speaker 8: at least one is expected to be in the building
Speaker 8: today or the zoom depends. That would be Jonathan Gannon.
Speaker 8: So Jonathan Gannon, who was one of the names that
Speaker 8: I threw out there as a possible from runner and
Speaker 8: we talked about it last talked aout him because he
Speaker 8: is a free agent, haven't been moved a part of
Speaker 8: ways would leave leave his duties from the Arizona Car News,
Speaker 8: So he's expected to be interviewed today.
Speaker 7: John, you dropped last week, by the way, give you
Speaker 7: credit for that.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm going to start with some
Speaker 3: of these others and we're going to end on the
Speaker 3: more interesting ones. Right.
Speaker 8: So, Jonathan Gannon is one we talked about. Aaron White Kahan,
Speaker 8: He's being interviewed for the position as well as cast
Speaker 8: Deronte Jones Vikings defensive pass game coordinator.
Speaker 3: Okay, so of the product of tree of but Brian
Speaker 3: Floor is Brian Floor is his tree.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 8: From Banda, the Browns safeties coach a Jim Schwartz coaching
Speaker 8: tree guy.
Speaker 3: And this is what really get gets interesting for me.
Speaker 8: Okay, so you got Jim Leonard, Broncos defensive pass game coordinator,
Speaker 8: quickly moved the ranks listen who had an excellent call
Speaker 8: it an interview by man handling the Cowboys offense in
Speaker 8: Denver earlier this season.
Speaker 3: Zach Orr.
Speaker 8: Ravens defensive coordinator, North Texas guy, mean green guy. Okay,
Speaker 8: he's he's being interviewed as well, and I think that's
Speaker 8: what So let's see it. From Banda, brown safety's coach,
Speaker 8: Deronte Jones Vikings defensive pass game coordinator, Jim Leonard, Broncos
Speaker 8: defensive pass game coordinator Jonathan Gannon current free agent, former
Speaker 8: Eagles defensive coordinator. And there is when Cardinals head coach
Speaker 8: Aaron White Cotton incumbent defensive line coach here in Dallas,
Speaker 8: and Zach Orr of the u n T mean Green.
Speaker 8: He's a De Soto, Texas native. He was with the
Speaker 8: Ravens as they're the Ravens as their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: Those are your six candidates.
Speaker 8: And there was one denied request which came by way
Speaker 8: of the Atlanta Falcons who said, no, you cannot talk
Speaker 8: to Jeff Ubrick.
Speaker 7: But they just fired their head coach man.
Speaker 3: They still said no soup for you. Wow, rude, it
Speaker 3: is still possible that but what.
Speaker 7: If the new coach doesn't want to keep him a round, Well,
Speaker 7: that's possible.
Speaker 3: The possibility the Cowboys can revisit.
Speaker 9: But as you got to wait and tell them to
Speaker 9: hire one and they go by that point, I mean
Speaker 9: they're putting them.
Speaker 7: At a digise.
Speaker 3: So family, family discuss.
Speaker 2: Where I'm interested because remember when we were breaking down
Speaker 2: the Cardinals tape and QB vision, you talked about the
Speaker 2: Cardinals don't run anything over the top, but they're going
Speaker 2: to do it in a discipline manner, and they were
Speaker 2: going to do it better than what you would anticipate
Speaker 2: from their personnel. So with the way Jonathan Gannon's name
Speaker 2: has been thrown around, that's an intriguing one for me
Speaker 2: because of the success that he's had in the building,
Speaker 2: or not in the building, but in the division, and
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: That he's against the building had some success.
Speaker 4: Against the building before.
Speaker 2: I think if I had to rank them out of
Speaker 2: those six names, number one would be mister Lennard Okay
Speaker 2: from Denver. I just love the possibility there, I love
Speaker 2: the fit. I love that there's a connection with Brian
Speaker 2: Schottenheimer from their time with the New York Jets. What's
Speaker 2: his identity, Kyle, aggressive defense across the board and a
Speaker 2: little bit more of that.
Speaker 3: What was the way you put it?
Speaker 4: You sent me something the other day, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a way that he when shot in the
Speaker 2: teacher he teaches. When Schottenheimer outlined what they wanted a
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, he named five or six elements, and Leonard
Speaker 2: had all of those elements. And then there's even Bobby Belt,
Speaker 2: a fan of the or a friend of the Show
Speaker 2: and Friend of the Draft Show as well, posted a
Speaker 2: video where he clipped interviews from Leonard matching up exactly
Speaker 2: with what Brian Schottenheimer had. I think all of that's
Speaker 2: a great fit from an aggressive standpoint on defense and
Speaker 2: from a game plan standpoint comes from the right places.
Speaker 2: And he's young and he can grow into the position.
Speaker 2: It's not a one stop shop, one year guy. He
Speaker 2: can kind of get better as time goes on.
Speaker 7: But he hasn't been a head coach before.
Speaker 2: Kyle, I'm okay with that hasn't worked for you in
Speaker 2: the last couple tries, exactly.
Speaker 6: I just have a top two of those guys that
Speaker 6: you listed. I would go with Leonard and then I
Speaker 6: went straight to Ganon. Yeah, those were my I think
Speaker 6: that of those two, believe, I'm not sure which direction
Speaker 6: shot he would go if those were the two remaining options, right.
Speaker 6: I think Leonyard obviously is a young, aggressive teacher. He's
Speaker 6: touted as a really good teacher of the game connect
Speaker 6: with guys connected this demographic.
Speaker 7: Played the game Undersize for ten years.
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, I had a lot of success as a player.
Speaker 6: I think that he can communicate and demand a certain
Speaker 6: response from guys and guys would listen as well as
Speaker 6: coaching them up through it.
Speaker 3: So he has a record of that. I like that,
Speaker 3: and I like young energy right coming from that regard.
Speaker 4: Like Jones too.
Speaker 2: I like Deronte Jones as a as another option there.
Speaker 2: That would probably be my third name, by the way.
Speaker 6: And then Gannon, Gannon has a been but don't break
Speaker 6: guy right. So as an offensive minded, hey coach, you
Speaker 6: have to figure out what type was style of defense
Speaker 6: complementary ball do you want to be played? Do you
Speaker 6: want somebody that's going to play it safe and you know,
Speaker 6: allow sustained drives and then you know they have to
Speaker 6: kick field goals, or do you want somebody that's gonna, Hey,
Speaker 6: we're gonna get some turnovers, baross will and give up
Speaker 6: some big plays along the way as well because of
Speaker 6: our aggressive style. So I think that Shoty has to
Speaker 6: figure out what style he's okay and comfortable with opposite
Speaker 6: of him, because those two have to kind of be
Speaker 6: They got to be intent him as well. Outside of
Speaker 6: his just offensive coordinator or offensive play calling duties. He
Speaker 6: has to be comfortable with the defensive defensive coordinator playing
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 4: We got to get out of here because we're over time.
Speaker 3: You're good, said Jim Leonard. Is my number one?
Speaker 4: That's your number one.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised Isaiah has him as number one either,
Speaker 2: because guess who he played for.
Speaker 3: Back in the day. He's the Rex Ryan Cochein Tree.
Speaker 3: Guess who he.
Speaker 2: Played for, vatch Rex Ryan. Yeah about your show starts
Speaker 2: in eight minutes, dude, Yeah, you're good. Yeah, I'll see
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