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Speaker 1: And now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez,

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 4: Welcome in, everybody.

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Speaker 2: We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you

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Speaker 2: to rock today with Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Standback,

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Speaker 2: Crispy in the back of pile, Yeomans. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Talk to Cowboys family. Hi, Isaiah, how are you?

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 4: I don't get to talk to you every day.

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Speaker 3: I saw you outside the building.

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Speaker 4: Oh did you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? When was that you're working?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Like you you.

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Speaker 4: Just saw me like walking in the building.

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Speaker 3: No, I saw you when you were working calling a

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Speaker 3: basketball game.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were at the Texas Legends game the other.

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Speaker 4: Wise, how was it it was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't There's a lot going on on that building

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Speaker 2: outside of the basketball.

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Speaker 6: I feel like that's like the platform for all the

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Speaker 6: marketing companies to try out their stuff. Oh yeah, like

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Speaker 6: all the game activation and stuff like. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 6: that's where they try it first before it goes to

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Speaker 6: the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, Yeah, that's the best way

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Speaker 2: that they do it. And it's nice because it helps

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Speaker 2: the legends out and it helps the fans out. Like

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Speaker 2: the fans, there's so much stuff to a lot, good food,

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Speaker 2: good drinks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's all age groups. Can't beat it, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: can't beat it.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Isaiah was there.

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Speaker 7: I tried to boarding your your fellow co hosts like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he came in and supported for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I tried to throw him a T shirt, didn't get

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Speaker 2: it there in time and she fell a little short.

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Speaker 2: Had to lack of velocity.

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Speaker 7: Show him how it goes, Isaiah, him to spin it.

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Speaker 6: His wife did throw me some popcorn though, Yeah, she

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Speaker 6: threw some popcorn that she has a cannon too.

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Speaker 3: He must have run in the family.

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Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, she a little different, but popcorn was just good.

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Speaker 6: One dude in front of me, try snap and I said,

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Speaker 6: you pull your hand back, you ain't gonna eat.

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Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite part about it was Isaiah was

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Speaker 2: so I could see his whole family taking up the row.

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Speaker 2: And it was a really good game. The Legends were

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Speaker 2: down by three. Opposing team was at the free throw

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Speaker 2: to the half court, and then Delano banned one of

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Speaker 2: They gave them all three free throws. He hit them

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Speaker 2: up at Isaiah's family and they.

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Speaker 4: Were super in.

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Speaker 3: My son was all yeah, he was.

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Speaker 4: It's pumping and the hair up.

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Speaker 3: It was cool.

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Speaker 7: Love good Texas Legend the game, especially with Kyle.

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Speaker 3: On the cost. But you guys, would you guys, would

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Speaker 3: you want to be seven six. No, dude, would you

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Speaker 3: rather would you rather be four foot.

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Speaker 7: Five or put seven to six?

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Speaker 6: And here, everybody you have the choice, would you rather

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Speaker 3: Seven foot six?

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Speaker 8: All day for six, but I'd rather I'd rather be

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Speaker 3: Seven six. What are you driving? Oh? Something custom? You

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Speaker 3: what do you drive?

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Speaker 7: Fine? You don't have to drive the Flintstones car with

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Speaker 3: This rose take, this train has taken.

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Speaker 9: You can never fly anywhere though ever. Ever, Again, that sucks.

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Speaker 9: It's hard for even a regular human being. Granted, you know,

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Speaker 7: At seven, we.

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Speaker 6: Were looking at they have a player down their team

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Speaker 6: that's seven foot six, and I'm looking at I'm watching

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Speaker 6: this dude stand up and his teammates like shoulders are

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Speaker 2: Hips and these are guys that are like six foot

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Speaker 3: It's nuts. Go go get your legs, bro.

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Speaker 7: But then imagine just being Wemby too, though. Imagine being

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Speaker 3: Be in that agile.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Wemby's a free You're you're a Superimby.

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Speaker 3: Is that tall?

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Speaker 4: That's slender means a little bit shorter, but by a lot.

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Speaker 4: Jamerian has them by like those reference.

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Speaker 6: I thought Wemby went from seven two to seven six

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Speaker 7: But he's a literal monster.

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Speaker 3: I'm not making this up.

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Speaker 7: That is slender Man. If you see him in the wood,

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Speaker 7: it's over.

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Speaker 2: Officially he is seven to four and Jamrian is officially

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Speaker 2: seven five.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, an any Mavericks fans, by the way, I'll

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Speaker 7: be at the MAVs. Given to Mark.

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Speaker 4: Very nice at all. Right, let's get into news and notes, Patrick,

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Speaker 4: let's do it.

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Speaker 3: We had because we don't have the podcast every day.

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Speaker 3: We have about to catch up on him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just talking Cowboys starts at ten o five.

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Speaker 3: We just catching up.

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Speaker 8: So first and four mostly start with some transactions. Obviously,

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Speaker 8: everyone knows the headliners for free agency that are coming

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Speaker 8: are called futures deals.

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Speaker 3: The future not signing future.

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Speaker 8: So futures deals were signed effect of last week early

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Speaker 8: last week, and here are the aims for those players

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Speaker 8: who whose rights are being controlled by the Cowboys through

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Speaker 8: Isaiah Land. We would like to see more from Isaiah Land.

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Speaker 8: He's here to be developed. Some more offensive line in

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Speaker 8: Marcellus Johnson joined along with Nick Everett at different points

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Speaker 8: developing for him.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 8: Tray Shawn Holding, who we are fans of on this program,

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Speaker 8: showed some great things in training camp. Didn't necessarily parlay those.

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Speaker 8: He had a couple of plays in the preseason, but

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Speaker 8: as far as. Yeah, he's here all year.

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Speaker 2: All of these names are like throwing me back to

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Speaker 2: in the preseason games, like that's just what all.

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Speaker 8: This Isah, except for this one. I'm about to.

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Speaker 3: Say, where the heck is Zion Childress to see if

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Speaker 3: I can nail them?

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Speaker 8: See if I ca nail this Israel, Abana, Kanda, A

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Speaker 8: band of Canada, the three what I always miss his

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Speaker 8: of these names, Like you have to commit to learning

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Speaker 8: me to have committed to learning the name A Canada.

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Speaker 7: A bandon Canda, Canada.

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Speaker 3: I'll get it. Israel, I promise I'll get it.

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Speaker 7: This here he kind of flews off the tongue. If

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Speaker 8: So proud that he had it nailed down ahead of

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Speaker 9: The thing, I'm surprised that I got it along with

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Speaker 2: But that's the thing is like when you start studying

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Speaker 4: I'm able to hit it.

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Speaker 2: But it's even more so imperative when I'm calling a game.

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Speaker 2: So like these random names that will pop up that

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Speaker 2: a way to say it the right way, but say

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Speaker 2: study those names. Isaiah can speak to this. That's been

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Speaker 2: one of the big things for you as you've gotten

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Speaker 2: higher and higher in this business, even crazier starting next week.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean when you get all the syllables that

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Speaker 9: you know what.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Like those names are a bend of candiacy.

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Speaker 3: I got it the Polynesia.

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Speaker 6: Phil MafA follow drops, you see, I didn't.

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Speaker 8: More.

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Speaker 7: I was too watching the Bone Temple yesterday.

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Speaker 8: That okay, So those guys are going to be your

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Speaker 8: futures and just turn it down really quickly again. Your

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Speaker 8: futures deals are a ban of Canada holding Campbell, Everett,

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Speaker 8: Marcellus Johnson, Isaiah lan Zion Childers, and Julius Wood. The

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Speaker 8: players that did not get four players did not get

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Speaker 8: futures deals. They are officially head of the free agency,

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Speaker 8: but they'll probably be in one way, shape or form.

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Speaker 8: Some of these will make their way back to training

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Speaker 8: camp because we've seen it happen. Princeton Fant, Will Greer,

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Speaker 8: Jalen Cropper, Ernest Brown not necessarily sure, but Jalen Cropper

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Speaker 8: It is a Class B misdemeanor and we'll let that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and just stay safe out there, guys. I don't

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Speaker 2: I mean, it might be fun to drive fast. I

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Speaker 8: Point too, So we'll see how that that holds. But

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Speaker 2: And I believe his agent released a statement you can

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Speaker 4: If you're gonna learn, learn from this experience and move forward.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, young man, We've all been young, We've all made mistakes,

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Speaker 6: I was going to say that underneath reckless driving, and

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's excessive speedingcess thirty to forty miles over the

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Speaker 3: I just had driving under the influence.

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Speaker 6: We just say that he was not under the influence, tailgating,

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Speaker 8: Swerving and I'm not his So basically he was just

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Speaker 3: That's subjective.

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Speaker 8: Correct trooper determined that if he was fine or cited

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Speaker 3: Absolutely they happened.

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Speaker 8: I desire and if if you're doing aggressive lane change, I.

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Speaker 8: Just talk about stitches, frist co plice. It be your guys,

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Speaker 8: all right, but now we will see all jokes aside. Thankfully, thankfully, thankfully,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we've got some grades to hand out

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Speaker 2: Today we're gonna give out our report card grades across

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Speaker 3: This is a numbered scale or is this is a

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Speaker 4: That's a terrible nickname.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It was pretty badass, so it might be.

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Speaker 9: Eight years later, baby, all right, let me give Shaddy

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Speaker 9: a B minus. I feel like, uh, not only did

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Speaker 7: From Broughton, Brian schein Humber moving forward.

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Speaker 9: I think that three game stretch told you what you

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Speaker 9: That's where you got a build because that felt like

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Speaker 9: But I think that was the the antithesis of that.

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Speaker 6: I too, am going to go be minus reasons being

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Speaker 7: And he had a good game against the.

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Speaker 6: Losing yeah, yeah, one player. Losing two guys. Losing two

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Speaker 4: Especially with the brash personalities that they both had.

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Speaker 6: So Shotty came out and did his thing on offense,

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Speaker 3: As a whole. No, not talking to calling plays.

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Speaker 3: I is it to be minus minus?

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Speaker 6: Maybe you know what I'm saying from that regard, because

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Speaker 8: So I'm be minus minus. I was close to be minus.

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Speaker 8: I'm just gonna land right on a sea. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 8: The reason I say that is because, like you guys

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Speaker 8: that means something. But what I don't like from the

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Speaker 8: conciding to know that he had a record setting offense

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just just on that.

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Speaker 9: It's like you could almost split up those things into

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Speaker 7: Those are all different.

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Speaker 2: Squad At the end of the day, you're the head

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Speaker 8: So if I'm going to give him the B minus

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Speaker 8: full an offensive play caller, I'm going to give him

445
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Speaker 8: a D for a head coach. The reason I'm not

446
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Speaker 8: going to fail him as a head coach is because

447
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Speaker 8: he really did whether a lot of storms, none bigger

448
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Speaker 8: than the loss of Marshawn near no right. So he

449
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Speaker 8: was able to pull the team together, be that leader

450
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Speaker 8: that the team needed, and there was accountability that was

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Speaker 8: held to. When you talk about players like Jaydon Blue

452
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Speaker 8: and players on the offensive side of the ball. The

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Speaker 8: accountability was there. That's the key, jayaln tobert the ball.

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Speaker 8: That's why I said it that way. On the offensive

455
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Speaker 8: side of the ball, the accountability was one hundred percent there.

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Speaker 8: So from that capacity as a head coach, you're looking good.

457
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Speaker 8: Here's where you're almost failed the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 8: He wasn't involved in nearly as early enough when the

459
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Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball started failing. From a coaching standpoint,

460
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Speaker 8: coordinated with Matt ebra Fluss, didn't get involved early enough,

461
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Speaker 8: didn't have as heavy of a hand as he needed

462
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Speaker 8: to once he did get involved. Okay, the accountability that

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Speaker 8: existed within for the players on the offensive side of

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Speaker 8: the ball seems to have been deleted on the defensive

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Speaker 8: side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: And we can throw names subjectively.

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Speaker 8: You could say Jack sam Bourne was on the field

468
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Speaker 8: too long prior to getting injured. You could say Kenneth

469
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Speaker 8: Murray got too many snaps when Marris lea file should

470
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Speaker 8: have been getting developed. All of these things and more. Okay,

471
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Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball was a complete and utter failure.

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Speaker 8: That is an f offensive side of the ball was successful.

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Speaker 8: So when you mix all these grades together, and this

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Speaker 8: is including I pose the question because I think Eberflus,

475
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Speaker 8: if once the writing was on the wall, should have

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Speaker 8: been let go in December and you should have test

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Speaker 8: driven Whitecotton so that when you're interviewing Whitecotton amongst these

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Speaker 8: other candidates which we'll get to, you would have had

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Speaker 8: that real time data to say, this is what the

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Speaker 8: bay in might be.

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Speaker 3: So all told see.

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Speaker 9: And I don't know if it was confirmed or not,

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Speaker 9: but they were saying because of the move from Eberflus

484
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Speaker 9: to the booth, that kind of led them to determine

485
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Speaker 9: if white Cotton was a suitable voice for the sideline

486
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Speaker 9: defense as that the fact of coordinator on the.

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Speaker 7: Field that ain't enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they were like, make it enough, but

489
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Speaker 3: it didn't.

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Speaker 7: Look any better. It looked exactly the same as you

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Speaker 7: used to.

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Speaker 9: But again to your point, there was no accountability on

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Speaker 9: the defensive side of the.

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Speaker 3: Ball exactly, and Whitecotton.

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Speaker 8: When Eberflus moved to the booth, Yes, Whitecotton was then

496
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Speaker 8: tasked with doing a bit more on the sideline, but

497
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Speaker 8: really he was still just communicating the h Yeah, he

498
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Speaker 8: wasn't calling the place. So the test drift still did

499
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Speaker 8: not exist.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen some of the behind the scenes footage

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Speaker 2: from this, from the the sounds of the sideline. If

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Speaker 2: one guy was keeping people accountable, it would have.

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Speaker 4: Been Aaron White Cotton in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Regardless, there is proof that he was an accountability for

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Speaker 2: that defense part of it, not all of it, but

506
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Speaker 2: just pieces of the accountability as a whole. Now, we

507
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Speaker 2: got to move on or else we're not going to

508
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Speaker 2: get to any other grades. But I do want to

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Speaker 2: say my grade C minus. I'm a big believer in

510
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Speaker 2: Bill park Sells quote that you are who your record

511
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Speaker 2: says you are, which you're seven nine and one. So

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Speaker 2: for me, even five hundred, it's C. Being below five

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Speaker 2: hundred means you're probably a D plus C minus. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna give him the upper edge of a C minus

515
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Speaker 2: because he did weather some things, and as you guys

516
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Speaker 2: already outlined and talked about, all of that is the case.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say a C minus for Brian Schottenheimer.

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Speaker 2: Why are you looking at me like that such a

519
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Speaker 2: harsh father. You are what you're at says you are.

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Speaker 2: You were seven nine and one and you're below five hundred.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, with that line of thinking Dak's gonna be a

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Speaker 7: C minus too like everybody.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Prescott was not below five hundred.

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Speaker 2: But with that being said, we do have to talk

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Speaker 2: about the offense when we come back. We're gonna give

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Speaker 2: our official grade of the season. On the offensive side

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Speaker 2: of the football, let's start with the quarterback position. Josh,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned in a moment ago, where would you go

573
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Speaker 2: with Dak Prescott?

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Speaker 9: I mean, if this is Kyle's grade, it's going to

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Speaker 9: be cus because your record is what you said, head coach,

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Speaker 9: this is what I'm saying. Dak Prescott earned an A

577
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Speaker 9: grade for the season. I think that there were some

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Speaker 9: games that's where obviously when protection was was kind of

579
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 9: collapsing on him. He wasn't as successful, obviously, because you

580
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Speaker 9: need your team around.

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Speaker 7: You to be successful.

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Speaker 9: But at least for Dak Prescott, for my money, he

583
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Speaker 9: was the best player on the field on both sides

584
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Speaker 9: of the ball, absolutely and just genuinely a reason why

585
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Speaker 9: he's the highest paid player on your team. I don't

586
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Speaker 9: think there's any doubt about it. If you think the

587
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Speaker 9: failure of your season is on Deck's shoulders. I vehemently

588
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 9: disagree with you. Dak Prescott is is the guy like

589
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Speaker 9: you were being nice there, No, genuinely, I mean, come on, man,

590
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Speaker 9: like you're just not watching the same thing that we're watching.

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Speaker 9: That here, he was the best player that you had,

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Speaker 9: so h and you want to build on that. He's

593
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Speaker 9: at an elite level and please, please, please do everything

594
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Speaker 9: you can front office to put the best players around

595
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Speaker 9: Dak Prescott right now in the prime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I feel like we're going to piss off the deck

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Speaker 8: caters today within the fanily.

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Speaker 3: But it is what it is. It's an A for me.

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Speaker 8: It's not an A plus because it leaves some meat

601
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Speaker 8: on the bone, Believe it or not. Four thousand plus

602
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Speaker 8: yard passer overtook Tony Romo for the franchise leader in

603
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Speaker 8: that category as far as single season goes, so or

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Speaker 8: all the time, I should say, but what I saw

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Speaker 8: from Dak Prescott was more decisiveness. I saw throws that

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Speaker 8: looked better all over the field, no matter if you

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Speaker 8: because we all know he's seen God, but you saw

608
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Speaker 8: him making throws consistently outside of that that proved that

609
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Speaker 8: he's an elite quarterback. What I also saw, which I

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Speaker 8: can't stress enough is more often than not in the

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Speaker 8: past several years. This season, when Dak Prescott saw green,

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Speaker 8: he took green.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he has his.

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Speaker 8: Mobility, he got active with his legs. Is he the

615
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Speaker 8: fastest guy out there? Absolutely not, but he tried to

616
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Speaker 8: make some things happen and he moved the chain several

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Speaker 8: times with his legs as well. Keep that going, Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 8: That'll help alleviate whatever issues with the offensive line that

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys might have. To Josh's point, fix the offensive

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Speaker 8: line and fix it this year however you need to

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Speaker 8: do it, fix it, free agency, draft, whatever you need

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Speaker 8: to do, fix it. But for Dak Prescott, it's an A.

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Speaker 3: For me, that's a for everything that you guys said.

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Speaker 4: I want to add just a stat to and I'm

625
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Speaker 4: right there with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say a across the board Isay and I

627
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: cancel each other out a lot, which is really fun

628
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Speaker 2: because he's got the quarterback vision and the film study.

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Speaker 2: I watch film, but I was never a quarterback, so

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Speaker 2: it's still not to the same level. So I tend

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Speaker 2: to rely on stats quite a bit to back up

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Speaker 2: what I'm seeing on the film. I looked at this

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Speaker 2: stat the other day and I said, this is the

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Speaker 2: microcosm of what Dak Prescott has been as the quarterback

635
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. Dak Prescott targeted a tight window

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Speaker 2: on nearly twenty percent twenty percent of his attempts this season.

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Speaker 2: That's the second highest rate in the league. His targets

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Speaker 2: average three point three yards of separation. It's the seventh

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Speaker 2: fewest in the NFL. So you're telling me the targets

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Speaker 2: that he's throwing to have the seventh worst separation in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. He's targeted them more than anybody else except

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Speaker 2: for one person in the NFL on tight window throws,

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Speaker 2: and he finished as the number three passer in the

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Speaker 2: n Also, not to mention, he has a top five

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Speaker 2: highest tight window rate in each of the last four seasons.

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Speaker 2: So this is not an anomaly with Dak Prescott. That

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Speaker 2: means that dude's balling oh out. That's all that is.

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Speaker 2: That is you're in a situation that is not favorable

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Speaker 2: for you as a quarterback, and you still ended up

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Speaker 2: as a league leader, as one of the best players

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Speaker 2: on the field, and continued to be a franchise quarterback

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Speaker 2: a for Dak not an A plus because you need

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Speaker 2: to have a little jewelry, I think, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: to have an A plus, or at least get close

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Speaker 2: to the jewelry to get an A plus. He didn't

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Speaker 2: get there, but as far as he could control in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, it was about as good of a

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Speaker 2: season as you could ask for from Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 8: So I'm gonna give him and a real quick start

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Speaker 8: to add to that, and we'll move on. Is the

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Speaker 8: Cowboys receivers led the league in potential yards lost due

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Speaker 8: to drops?

663
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 7: Wow?

664
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 8: So yeah, half almost forty six hundred yards passing thirty

665
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 8: touchdo down to only ten interceptions and everything that Kyle

666
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 8: just said. But Cowboys receivers left the most yardage on

667
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 8: the field via drops than any of the thirty two

668
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 8: NFL tain.

669
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: I don't like those words running back.

670
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: What you're great for?

671
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: Running back, pack for the room, room for the room,

672
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: not just.

673
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 8: One, not just Javonte, because I believe in Javonte. Javonte

674
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 8: gets to a plush Javonte William Let's se Javonte gets

675
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 8: to a plus. I'm gonna give him Alik an a

676
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 8: because nobody expected, few expected Malite to do what he

677
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 8: did in the backup role, uh and staving off Jay

678
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 8: and Blue. But behind those two guys, ooh, things did

679
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 8: not look good. You didn't get to see Phil Maffa

680
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 8: until week eighteen, and then you saw, you know, only

681
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 8: a handful of carries. They didn't really use them. Love

682
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 8: what I saw for Jay and Blue, but not until

683
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 8: that game.

684
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: By Miles Sanders.

685
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 8: Miles Sanders, that experiment did not work out. Whatsoever, body

686
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 8: your he was.

687
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 7: He had a few good carriers, he had a few

688
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 7: good carry He got hurt.

689
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: He got hurt early on. Yes, ended his season. Yep.

690
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: Did the experiment work out?

691
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 7: It was fine?

692
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 8: No, No, this is not me throwing shade. It didn't work out.

693
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 8: It either worked or it didn't work. Did it work?

694
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's over yet, So I don't

695
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: know if I'm okay it's work, but it hasn't worked.

696
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: I guess that's fine.

697
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 8: Did it work in twenty five forle Sanders, No, just

698
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 8: let it go, let it out.

699
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: No, Sanders.

700
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is he got hey, man,

701
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 8: he showed some things to training camp, showed some things

702
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 8: you know, preseason early.

703
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: Got to hold onto the ball, got to hold onto

704
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: the ball. Yeah, that was big.

705
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 8: That was big, but ultimately it didn't work out in

706
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 8: twenty five. Maybe he gets another shot here in twenty six.

707
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 8: But bottom line is the sciences, the science. It didn't

708
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 8: work out. A plus for Javonte A from Elie Davis,

709
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 8: but then you start getting into the d's and the

710
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 8: failing grades, but they carry so.

711
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 7: C plus care I'm going to be I think.

712
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 9: I think mainly because of course, Javontay Williams is not

713
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 9: someone that we expected really to have the season that

714
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 9: he did. Going into training camp, I think we were

715
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 9: all sort of like, all right, what are we doing

716
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 9: with running back situation? It's been two years now that

717
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 9: we haven't had a solidified number one running back. Javonte

718
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 9: obviously made an impact this season. He's a guy that

719
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 9: you want to inter team moving forward. I hope you

720
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 9: resign him, But then again, I don't think there was

721
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 9: enough behind Javante.

722
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 7: I really don't. Mollie Davis was definitely a great spell back.

723
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: But even that was unexpected.

724
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: It was totally even the team didn't know that they

725
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: had that because they cut him and then they brought

726
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: him back, and then they were like, Okay, maybe this

727
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: guy's got something and that was a surprise.

728
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I think what you were expecting to get

729
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 9: out of Jaydon Blue and film Off obviously did not

730
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 9: come to fruition during the season. And whenever you did

731
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 9: have Jaydon Blue, obviously there were some characteristics or just

732
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 9: the culture things that he wasn't necessarily getting right to

733
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 9: get him on the field.

734
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 7: And you know, he was inactive basically the season.

735
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 9: A guy that you would expect to carry some of

736
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 9: the load with Javante, but he used Javonte and ran

737
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 9: him into the ground obviously. I mean he had a

738
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 9: lot of health issues towards the end of the season

739
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 9: and playing through a lot of injuries. To B plus

740
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 9: for the group, I think if your offensive line would

741
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 9: have been better, might have gotten a A. I, sir,

742
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 9: have to stand on this table and say that at

743
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 9: the training camp talking Cowboys, I was perfectly fine with

744
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 9: the running back room.

745
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 7: Yeah you were, Yeah, yep, I give you credit.

746
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: I felt pretty good about it.

747
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 6: Everybody didn't want to give Javonte any any love, and

748
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 6: I was like, Hey, that man could play some ball. Yeah,

749
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 6: you know, so I give the whole room B plus,

750
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 6: I give the whole room A B plus mainly because

751
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 6: of the stamps that I don't believe that they were

752
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 6: ever a threat in the passing game. That's one aspect

753
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 6: that I would have liked to have seen. And I

754
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 6: also think that we were not as explosive. We didn't

755
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 6: have the explosive plays out of that particular position group

756
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 6: the way in which you would have hoped because the

757
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 6: you know, we had the one punch, you didn't have

758
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 6: one the two portion of the one too.

759
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 10: Uh.

760
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: You guys just mentioned some of the reasons why, right.

761
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 7: Molie Davis had quite a few of those two though.

762
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he had more explosive plays than anybody for sure,

763
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: for sure.

764
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, but it was mostly late in the year.

765
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: It was exactly that game.

766
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: So had we had that earlier in the year, and

767
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: that might you know, second think they.

768
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: Were hoping that to be Sanders he gets hurt, then

769
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: they were hoping it to blue Blue. He doesn't show

770
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: out the way that he wanted to. Then they find

771
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: Malik Davis and they're like, oh, wow, he can do that.

772
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 3: Which he's been around for the last fourteen years whatever.

773
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 7: It's been a long time.

774
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been around, bro, it feels like forever. He's

775
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: had a good camp. That's crazy. Yeah, so no, so

776
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 3: I'll give a B plus.

777
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. And they were top ten

778
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: in yards per game. They were ninth in that category,

779
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: ninth I think in yards per play as well.

780
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: That means you're a top ten rushing attack.

781
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: And we're talking about the guys that get the c's

782
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: and the apps.

783
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 4: Kind of the way that Patrick outlined it a moment ago.

784
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: The majority of the carries went to the guys that

785
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to great highly. That's Williams Davis of course,

786
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a bee. I

787
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: think it was a solid running game. Is better than

788
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: I anticipated it because I was very negative toward that early.

789
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: I like Javonte Williams as a signing, but I thought

790
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: it was because it was a value.

791
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: I didn't think he.

792
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: Would be a twelve hundred yard pressure with ten touchdowns.

793
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: That's different. Uh, that's where he exceeded my expectations. Malie Davis,

794
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: of course exceeded my expectations. Everybody else that was my expectation.

795
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: Jayden Blue, I didn't expect much from film. Afo didn't

796
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: even get on the team until the final week of

797
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: the regular season. So they're still worry in the running

798
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: back room, especially if you don't bring back Javante. But

799
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: Javonte exceeded expectations, so I got to give it a.

800
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 7: Be quick yes.

801
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 9: No on this for you guys, Do you change the

802
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 9: running back room at all from what it is right now?

803
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 10: No?

804
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 4: If like at all, like bring everybody back? No, I'm good.

805
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: No, I can do it.

806
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 7: You're cool with this?

807
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

808
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 7: Because as is?

809
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I need no extra juice. I need to

810
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: see more from Jason.

811
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 6: I stay the same with development.

812
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would personnel guys to grow.

813
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 7: In week eight. You did see Jay and Blue. You

814
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 7: did see film MafA.

815
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 9: I think they showed you good things that you're like, Man,

816
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 9: where was this during the season, dude? But if you

817
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 9: keep that personnel, obviously some maturing needs to happen.

818
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 4: Question.

819
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 6: I think you have personality personnel wise, you have everything

820
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 6: that you want. Javonte Williams gives you the most versatile

821
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 6: of everything. Then you have Blue if he can come along,

822
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 6: that's your explosive back, and then you got Phil MafA,

823
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 6: who's your power back. Those are that's you have the

824
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 6: aspects that you want right the holes that you need

825
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 6: to feel. Now, are they where they need to be at? No,

826
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 6: but that falls on the responsibility of the coaches.

827
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: I forget about keep those four and then Bankanda, all.

828
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: Right, we're gonna go rapid fire here. Everybody. You get

829
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: thirty seconds to give your point. Wide receiver go.

830
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: Your time's already started.

831
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 7: I know thing, so let me go. Let me go

832
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 7: wide receiver. A.

833
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 9: Of course ceedlam George Pickens two one thousand yard receivers,

834
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 9: and of course you're s Souf Illinois step up be

835
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 9: the third receiver.

836
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 7: Halfway through?

837
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: All right, man, I'm talking like damn plus five seconds.

838
00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 4: You got it.

839
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, Flinoy finally stepped up halfway through the season. You

840
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 9: gave him a shot when obviously everyone was ready for

841
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 9: that to happen. And I think now you have three

842
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 9: wide receivers as long as you resign. George Pickens, please

843
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 9: do that. A.

844
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 8: Now talk over me for five seconds so we can

845
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 8: balance it.

846
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to you, may I know we

847
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: can't do like the other show. I'm going B plus.

848
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 8: And the reason I say B plus is because obviously

849
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 8: you talk about two thousand yard receivers in CD and

850
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 8: George and then the you know ryf Leinoyd showing out

851
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 8: like he needed to show out, see you flow, but

852
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 8: at the same time ceedee lamb. He did suffer some injury,

853
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 8: he missed some games. He had some critical drops that

854
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 8: kind of cost. I mean it cost first game Eagles game.

855
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 8: In the opener, Cavante Turpin, he was inconsistent. He contributed,

856
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 8: but then he didn't contribute. Jalen Tobert moved backwards. So

857
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 8: all told B plus, give me a minus?

858
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: Why is that?

859
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 6: I mean everything you guys already said it. Solid group,

860
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 6: definitely a threatening group. I think probably the most dangerous

861
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 6: outside of the Rams in terms of combos this year. Yeah,

862
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 6: they were successful and then you had you know, you

863
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 6: had an actual number three receiver step up.

864
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: So I mean they're they're a dangerous unit.

865
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 6: When you for any defensive coordinator, you know, if you

866
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 6: keep that three, if you keep that three.

867
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you keep that three, I'm good with whatever

868
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: else else happens in that room.

869
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: Rule that's fine where he's at.

870
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 6: That group gets more dangerous with better play from Jake Ferguson.

871
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: Okay, with that being said, I'm gonna say a minus

872
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: for wide receivers.

873
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 4: Tight ends get us started tight ends.

874
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go be minus this year.

875
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: Interesting.

876
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you gave it a B be minus.

877
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 6: Okay, I just I mean they were subjected to the

878
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 6: calls that were being They're there, they were they were

879
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 6: being had right, so they were doing a lot of

880
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 6: helping the offensive line. The offensive line really affected their

881
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 6: ability this year to be able to push things down

882
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 6: the field. I think we saw early on a disconnection

883
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 6: between Dak and the tight end group, and it came

884
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 6: on later on and became great red zone threats and

885
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 6: nice five yard options, but they were not what you

886
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 6: would hope to them to have been collectively as a

887
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 6: union in term of being a threat in the seams

888
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 6: and alleviating pressure from the outside receivers.

889
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 9: I am at a c right now for tight ends.

890
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 9: I think Jake Ferguson alone is not enough of a target,

891
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 9: is a not I think he needs help on the

892
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 9: other side, on his opposite side, And I'm kind of tired,

893
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 9: I'm a little I don't think he has it. No

894
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 9: not that I don't think he has it, I think

895
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 9: he needs help. I think he needs a tight end

896
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 9: on the other side of him that is more of

897
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 9: a threat in the receiving game because you've relied so

898
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 9: much on tight ends blocking for you, because the offensive

899
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 9: line has not been where it needs to be. That

900
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 9: I feel like without a true threat at tight end

901
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 9: on the opposit side of Jake Ferguson, you don't have

902
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 9: the most efficient offense.

903
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 7: Because everyone knows, like, all right, as long as we

904
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 7: got Jake covered, we have CD covered, we're pretty much okay.

905
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 9: For me, you would only improve Jake Ferguson's production by

906
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 9: having a receiving tight end on the other side. That's

907
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 9: going to give you some athleticism, some run after catch ability.

908
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 9: To me, that was Brevin span Ford. They didn't rely

909
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 9: on him that I would argue he's on that, he's there,

910
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 9: but they don't rely on him as a receiving threat.

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00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 9: I mean he whenever he did have the ball in

913
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 9: his hands, whenever he didn't make a catch, he was

914
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 9: a electric.

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00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 6: That's why I asked you a question, do they have

916
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 6: the guy or do you need to go get the guy?

917
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 7: They have the guy.

918
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 9: I know their thought is like, well, he needs to

919
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 9: be a great run blocker, Please stop with that, just

920
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 9: because his size make the offensive line better.

921
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, minus really quickly, so C minus overall, Jake Ferguson

922
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 8: had a career best start. He had a cold finish.

923
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 8: He also suffered fumbles this season. Didn't see I mean

924
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 8: he saw a player two from Schoolmaker, But over the

925
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 8: course of the entire season, it was a forgettable season

926
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: for Schoolmaker. We just talked about Brevon span Is on

927
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 8: the roster, however they've yet to unleash him as a

928
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 8: receiving threat. And behind Breven span Ford, you have more

929
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 8: of your special teams guys like a Princeton fan right,

930
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 8: So as a whole Sea minus.

931
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: Minus, I just don't think it was the you saw

932
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: the fast start to the season to Jake Ferguson, you

933
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: saw exactly what their vision of him was. We're gonna

934
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: get the five yards and a cloud of dust and

935
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: just get him reception after reception after reception. He finished

936
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: second on the team in receptions, but he finished fifth

937
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: on the team and yards. I believe behind Pickens, Lamb

938
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Flinoy is fourth on the team in yards.

939
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 6: So my only pushback to you guys's rankings. You guys

940
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 6: are entitled to your rankings. Obviously, I think the room

941
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 6: got better. Jake took a step back.

942
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: The room got better.

943
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: You're saying spam Ford.

944
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 6: Schoomaker did get better. Goo Maker made strides. Breven span

945
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 6: Ford made strides. Both of those guys are substantially better

946
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 6: tight ends this year than they were last year. It's

947
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 6: not even close.

948
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 4: Part of that is because my expectation was going to

949
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: be higher for them.

950
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so I thought they were a D like I

951
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: think I do think they got better.

952
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: They were not very good.

953
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 6: Those guys made a heck of a leap in a bound.

954
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 6: I think Jake took a step back right, So I

955
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 6: think obviously a lot is on his shoulders, you know,

956
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 6: bearing the weight of the tight end room, which he does,

957
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 6: but you have to take it. Okay, Jake's over here.

958
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 6: What did the rest of the room do. Jake went

959
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: down a notch, The rest of the room went up

960
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 6: one and a half, not just to me. So I

961
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 6: think the room collectively is more dangerous as a unit.

962
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 6: Jake was not as dangerous as an individual outside of

963
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 6: his routes that he was running.

964
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: I like that, but it's all perspective because last year

965
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: I thought they were a D or a D plus.

966
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: Now I'm giving them a C or a C minus.

967
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: I like they are better. I just don't think they're there.

968
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 8: Right, And I can't rightfully give the wide receivers a

969
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 8: B plus, which is what I'm standing on, and then

970
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 8: give the tight ends a B or C plus because

971
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 8: the gap is noticeable from wide receiver.

972
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 3: To tight end. So you said it yourself, he said,

973
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: this is a noticeable The.

974
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 6: Wide receivers could have benefited from Jake Ribers and step

975
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: running down the field. Yes, just get up there, get

976
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 6: on the.

977
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: Tight end all right, quickly, offensive line go C minus

978
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 4: for me.

979
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 8: Okay, d your offensive tackles.

980
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: I would say, I'll say C minus.

981
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say a C.

982
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 8: Tyler Booker carries Tyler Smith carries Cooper b B had injury,

983
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 8: missed some time, but he helps carry your your off

984
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 8: that's fair, but your offen and that's a discussion.

985
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: But your offensive tackles were wreck Yeah, it was you failed.

986
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 8: Do you have Cherry still had a good stretch like

987
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 8: during that three game win Street what you talked about

988
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 8: and right, but again, but you got to factor that

989
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 8: in lack of availability. And then Nate Thomas when he played,

990
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 8: he didn't play well, but then he suffered from availability

991
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 8: issues to the point where you had to pop Tyler

992
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 8: Smith out created this whole storm of is he a guard?

993
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 8: Is he your offensive tackle position failed you? That's an F.

994
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 8: So with me overall, it's a D because some carry

995
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 8: but not enough to get it to a C.

996
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 7: Smith and Booker are the only dogs Hunt.

997
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 8: A plus for Booker, A plus for Tyler Smith, Tyler BB,

998
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 8: I'd say a C. Right, Cooper, then Hooper BB. I'm sorry,

999
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 8: it's Tyler babe. But then he goes right off of

1000
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 8: a cliff when you get to the outside.

1001
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: So all right, we're gonna take our second break.

1002
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: We're not going to do defensive grades in this show

1003
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: because I don't want to rush it. Yeah, we'll do

1004
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: it in the next show next week. Hey, because we

1005
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: have another one next week. I want to talk about

1006
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: the defense a little bit. But when we come back,

1007
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: let's talk about some of the names that have popped up.

1008
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: In terms of coordinators.

1009
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: Coordinators that are requested for interviews. That's something we can

1010
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1011
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,680
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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Indeed, Kyle, there are six names.

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Speaker 2: There are six that have been reported to be requested

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00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: and or interviewed for the open defensive coordinator position.

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00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: Who are those six names?

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00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 8: And each of these have either been interviewed already or

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00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 8: will be interviewed today. Okay, they're in the building and

1069
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 8: at least one is expected to be in the building

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Speaker 8: today or the zoom depends. That would be Jonathan Gannon.

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00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 8: So Jonathan Gannon, who was one of the names that

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00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 8: I threw out there as a possible from runner and

1073
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 8: we talked about it last talked aout him because he

1074
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 8: is a free agent, haven't been moved a part of

1075
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 8: ways would leave leave his duties from the Arizona Car News,

1076
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 8: So he's expected to be interviewed today.

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Speaker 7: John, you dropped last week, by the way, give you

1078
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 7: credit for that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm going to start with some

1080
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: of these others and we're going to end on the

1081
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: more interesting ones. Right.

1082
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 8: So, Jonathan Gannon is one we talked about. Aaron White Kahan,

1083
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 8: He's being interviewed for the position as well as cast

1084
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 8: Deronte Jones Vikings defensive pass game coordinator.

1085
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so of the product of tree of but Brian

1086
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: Floor is Brian Floor is his tree.

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00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

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00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 8: From Banda, the Browns safeties coach a Jim Schwartz coaching

1089
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 8: tree guy.

1090
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: And this is what really get gets interesting for me.

1091
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 8: Okay, so you got Jim Leonard, Broncos defensive pass game coordinator,

1092
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 8: quickly moved the ranks listen who had an excellent call

1093
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 8: it an interview by man handling the Cowboys offense in

1094
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 8: Denver earlier this season.

1095
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: Zach Orr.

1096
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 8: Ravens defensive coordinator, North Texas guy, mean green guy. Okay,

1097
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 8: he's he's being interviewed as well, and I think that's

1098
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 8: what So let's see it. From Banda, brown safety's coach,

1099
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 8: Deronte Jones Vikings defensive pass game coordinator, Jim Leonard, Broncos

1100
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 8: defensive pass game coordinator Jonathan Gannon current free agent, former

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Speaker 8: Eagles defensive coordinator. And there is when Cardinals head coach

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Speaker 8: Aaron White Cotton incumbent defensive line coach here in Dallas,

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Speaker 8: and Zach Orr of the u n T mean Green.

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Speaker 8: He's a De Soto, Texas native. He was with the

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Speaker 8: Ravens as they're the Ravens as their defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Those are your six candidates.

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Speaker 8: And there was one denied request which came by way

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Speaker 8: of the Atlanta Falcons who said, no, you cannot talk

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Speaker 8: to Jeff Ubrick.

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Speaker 7: But they just fired their head coach man.

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Speaker 3: They still said no soup for you. Wow, rude, it

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Speaker 3: is still possible that but what.

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Speaker 7: If the new coach doesn't want to keep him a round, Well,

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Speaker 7: that's possible.

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Speaker 3: The possibility the Cowboys can revisit.

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Speaker 9: But as you got to wait and tell them to

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Speaker 9: hire one and they go by that point, I mean

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Speaker 9: they're putting them.

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Speaker 7: At a digise.

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Speaker 3: So family, family discuss.

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Speaker 2: Where I'm interested because remember when we were breaking down

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals tape and QB vision, you talked about the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals don't run anything over the top, but they're going

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Speaker 2: to do it in a discipline manner, and they were

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Speaker 2: going to do it better than what you would anticipate

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Speaker 2: from their personnel. So with the way Jonathan Gannon's name

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Speaker 2: has been thrown around, that's an intriguing one for me

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Speaker 2: because of the success that he's had in the building,

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Speaker 2: or not in the building, but in the division, and

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Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 3: That he's against the building had some success.

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Speaker 4: Against the building before.

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Speaker 2: I think if I had to rank them out of

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Speaker 2: those six names, number one would be mister Lennard Okay

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Speaker 2: from Denver. I just love the possibility there, I love

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Speaker 2: the fit. I love that there's a connection with Brian

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Speaker 2: Schottenheimer from their time with the New York Jets. What's

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Speaker 2: his identity, Kyle, aggressive defense across the board and a

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Speaker 2: little bit more of that.

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Speaker 3: What was the way you put it?

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Speaker 4: You sent me something the other day, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a way that he when shot in the

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Speaker 2: teacher he teaches. When Schottenheimer outlined what they wanted a

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, he named five or six elements, and Leonard

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Speaker 2: had all of those elements. And then there's even Bobby Belt,

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Speaker 2: a fan of the or a friend of the Show

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Speaker 2: and Friend of the Draft Show as well, posted a

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Speaker 2: video where he clipped interviews from Leonard matching up exactly

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Speaker 2: with what Brian Schottenheimer had. I think all of that's

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Speaker 2: a great fit from an aggressive standpoint on defense and

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Speaker 2: from a game plan standpoint comes from the right places.

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Speaker 2: And he's young and he can grow into the position.

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Speaker 2: It's not a one stop shop, one year guy. He

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Speaker 2: can kind of get better as time goes on.

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Speaker 7: But he hasn't been a head coach before.

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Speaker 2: Kyle, I'm okay with that hasn't worked for you in

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Speaker 2: the last couple tries, exactly.

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Speaker 6: I just have a top two of those guys that

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Speaker 6: you listed. I would go with Leonard and then I

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Speaker 6: went straight to Ganon. Yeah, those were my I think

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Speaker 6: that of those two, believe, I'm not sure which direction

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Speaker 6: shot he would go if those were the two remaining options, right.

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Speaker 6: I think Leonyard obviously is a young, aggressive teacher. He's

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Speaker 6: touted as a really good teacher of the game connect

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Speaker 6: with guys connected this demographic.

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Speaker 7: Played the game Undersize for ten years.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely right, I had a lot of success as a player.

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Speaker 6: I think that he can communicate and demand a certain

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Speaker 6: response from guys and guys would listen as well as

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Speaker 6: coaching them up through it.

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Speaker 3: So he has a record of that. I like that,

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Speaker 3: and I like young energy right coming from that regard.

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Speaker 4: Like Jones too.

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Speaker 2: I like Deronte Jones as a as another option there.

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Speaker 2: That would probably be my third name, by the way.

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Speaker 6: And then Gannon, Gannon has a been but don't break

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Speaker 6: guy right. So as an offensive minded, hey coach, you

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Speaker 6: have to figure out what type was style of defense

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Speaker 6: complementary ball do you want to be played? Do you

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Speaker 6: want somebody that's going to play it safe and you know,

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Speaker 6: allow sustained drives and then you know they have to

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Speaker 6: kick field goals, or do you want somebody that's gonna, Hey,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna get some turnovers, baross will and give up

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Speaker 6: some big plays along the way as well because of

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Speaker 6: our aggressive style. So I think that Shoty has to

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Speaker 6: figure out what style he's okay and comfortable with opposite

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Speaker 6: of him, because those two have to kind of be

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Speaker 6: They got to be intent him as well. Outside of

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Speaker 6: his just offensive coordinator or offensive play calling duties. He

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Speaker 6: has to be comfortable with the defensive defensive coordinator playing

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Speaker 6: that way.

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Speaker 4: We got to get out of here because we're over time.

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Speaker 3: You're good, said Jim Leonard. Is my number one?

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Speaker 4: That's your number one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised Isaiah has him as number one either,

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Speaker 2: because guess who he played for.

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Speaker 3: Back in the day. He's the Rex Ryan Cochein Tree.

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Speaker 3: Guess who he.

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Speaker 2: Played for, vatch Rex Ryan. Yeah about your show starts

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Speaker 2: in eight minutes, dude, Yeah, you're good. Yeah, I'll see

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Speaker 2: you here in a minute. That's gonna do it for

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Speaker 2: us here on Talking Cowboys. Hope you had fun with

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Speaker 2: us today. For Patrick nose Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand back,

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Speaker 2: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yewmans saying so long.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you next week with more Talking Cowboys.

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