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Speaker 2: To the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson and I are reviewing our twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: year in the outdoors to look for trends and patterns

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Speaker 2: that can lead us to planning a better twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: and the future is what we're talking about here today

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Speaker 2: in the podcast. But we're doing that by looking to

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Speaker 2: the past. Today me and TONI are going to be

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Speaker 2: talking through our twenty twenty four mostly focusing on our

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Speaker 2: hunting seasons, but also extending back past that to other

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Speaker 2: outdoor activities and adventures. The prep for our hunting seasons,

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Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff like that, and we're talking through

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Speaker 2: the highs and the lows, and then what takeaways we

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Speaker 2: can get from that, Because by looking at the best

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Speaker 2: moments of our year and the worst moments of our year,

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Speaker 2: the hope is that we can identify, you know, if

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Speaker 2: there's any consistencies there, are there any particular things that

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Speaker 2: you know, better plan our next year, make sure we're

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Speaker 2: leaning into the good stuff, make sure we're learning from

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Speaker 2: the less good stuff. That's the hope today, And the

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Speaker 2: hope is that by us kind of working through this ourselves,

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Speaker 2: you guys can learn some stuff too. Maybe you're gonna

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Speaker 2: hear things that you can relate to. Maybe you're gonna

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Speaker 2: hear some thoughts that maybe would be worth you kind

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Speaker 2: of chewing on a little bit. Maybe there'll be some

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Speaker 2: ideas that we have for changes we want to make

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Speaker 2: next year, or things we've struggled with this past year

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Speaker 2: that we're going to continue working on in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five that might be relatable, useful, or eye opening for you.

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Speaker 2: That's the hope as we kick off this new year,

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Speaker 2: as we look forward to what should be a terrific

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Speaker 2: twelve more months around the sun. So I am wishing

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Speaker 2: you all a very happy new year and a great

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Speaker 2: start to this one, and I hope this podcast is

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Speaker 2: a useful way to do that. So, without any further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's get to my chat with Tony as we review

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Speaker 2: our twenty twenty four and look forward to the next year.

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Speaker 2: All right, Joining me on the line now is mister

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson Today. When this episode is dropping, Tony, we'll

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Speaker 2: be January second, so it will be a new year.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty twenty five, if you can imagine we're

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Speaker 2: recording this a little bit before that, but in present

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Speaker 2: time when folks hear and see this as twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about the new year?

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Speaker 3: Tony?

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Speaker 2: Is it gonna be a good one?

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Speaker 3: Boy? I hope, so, buddy, I hope. So sure, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So all right, that's what I want to hear. I

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Speaker 2: want to hear optimism because that's kind of what I

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Speaker 2: by way of reflecting on last year. So I think

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Speaker 2: I think I've talked on an episode I can't remember

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Speaker 2: looking forward by looking backward episode sound good, absolutely buddy cool.

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Speaker 2: So twenty twenty four looking back. If you were going

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Speaker 4: It's hard for me to do this and not focus

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Speaker 4: Out there, well right, And you can also just have

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Speaker 2: But it didn't help me in November, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Let's start with the lows so we can end with

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Speaker 2: and kind of get out words to Josh. I'm like called,

433
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: like take me to the hospital. Something that bad. It's happening.

434
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 2: And so that ended up being like the scariest moment

435
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: probably in my life. I thought, literally I was having

436
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: a heart attack or a stroke or something. Pretty much

437
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: thought I was dying. Told Josh like take care of

438
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: my kids please, like you know, that's what I thought

439
00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: was going on, and takes me to the hospital had

440
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: an EMT meet us on the way there and go

441
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: through the whole nine yards. And this is a very

442
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: long winded story of a six week window of my

443
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: life that just happened to coincide with like the peak

444
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: of our white tail season and all the stuff we

445
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: do and made for a very unfun, challenging, stressful, confusing

446
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: time period. Go to the hospital, they grun all these

447
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: tests and everything, and there was there's two main things

448
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: that you know, so I guess, stop this long, boring story.

449
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: Three things were identified. Number one, what was going on

450
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: in that moment when I thought I was dying was

451
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: not that I had a heart attack or a stroke, Thankfully,

452
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: it was none of those things. They tested for cloths,

453
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: they tested for any kind of cardiac issues or any

454
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: kind of anything like that. None of those things happened.

455
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: What it was was that my CO two levels had

456
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: plummeted to almost zero. They were able to check what

457
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: my excuse me, my CO two levels were in that moment,

458
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: and it was like two or something, and it's supposed

459
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: to I don't know what it's supposed to be, supposed

460
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: to be way way higher than that. And so what

461
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: that happens that's caused by basically hyperventilation, which is breathing

462
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: too deeply, too fast or something. I'm not I can't

463
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: remember exactly what the thing is, but I was basically

464
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: having a stress related panic attack or something in that moment,

465
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: which led to this thing with my breathing, which led

466
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: to this feeling, which apparently is a common thing for

467
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: folks having some kind of thing like I was having.

468
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: And so that was what caused this thing on that

469
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: Sunday or Saturday, whatever day that was. And then I

470
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: go to another series of doctors, they do these different tests.

471
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: What they found or what they believed was causing the

472
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: original issue was this condition that apparently leads to like

473
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: inflammation of the cartilage and muscles across my sternum up

474
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: and down my sternum. So like a muscular skeletal issue

475
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: had caused or has been causing this initial pain I'm

476
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: feeling my chest, and you google this stuff and it's like, yeah,

477
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: people think they're having a heart attack with this thing.

478
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: It's like common, it's a common thought that people have

479
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 2: and worry that people have with this condition. And so

480
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: what the doctors think was going on was that I

481
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: had this original thing which has been going on and

482
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: is still ongoing, which then led to me thinking about it,

483
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: focusing on it, worrying about it, being stressed about it,

484
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: which then you know, she's like, well, do you have

485
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: any stress in your life otherwise? Are you not sleeping otherwise?

486
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: Are you working too much otherwise? Are you go go

487
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 2: going otherwise? I'm like, well, yeah, NonStop right now. So

488
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: basically what the doctors think is that I had this

489
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 2: original chest issue in pain, which was musculo skeletal, and

490
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: then the hunting season relayed stress, travel, relayed stress compounded

491
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: on top of me stressing and worrying and thinking about

492
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: this chest pain and shortness of breath and all this stuff,

493
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: and then led to this snowballing and snowballing and snowballing

494
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: to where I would be having this concern about why

495
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: is my chester why can't I breathe right? And that

496
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: leads to actual physiological changes related to that stress, which

497
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: do lead to more chest tightness, chest pain, breathing issues,

498
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: which then led to more of that. And so that

499
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: was going on for like six weeks and led to

500
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: me having this incident where I thought I was dying

501
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: and went to the hospital and just led to a

502
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: really aft up fall where I was not able to

503
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: enjoy it a lot of it, was not able to

504
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: really be in it the way I usually am, didn't

505
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: have the hootspa and excitement, was worried about my health.

506
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: So I was like, I don't know if I want

507
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: to travel across the country to go to this other

508
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: state or do this other thing because I just want

509
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: to get this shit figured out and feel normal again.

510
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it just led to a really

511
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: really weird fall that on the bright side, I think

512
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm coming out of it now that I understood what's

513
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: going on. We're able to do some stuff that has

514
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: reduced that original pain and that that condition I think

515
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: is improving. And then I've also been able to kind

516
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: of work on shilling out a little bit, dealing with

517
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: some of that stress. I think a lot of that

518
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: stress has left now that I have some answers, you know, uh,

519
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: exploring some mindfulness practices, UH, some woo woo ship and

520
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: uh and maybe that's what I've needed to So yeah,

521
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: that's been the big negative for me this fall, which

522
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: which probably has led to some of the lack of

523
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: quote unquote success, but also there's the other weirdness going

524
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: on where I just haven't had anything to hunt some

525
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: of my spots, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, that's that's

526
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: what's going on. That's what I've dealt with.

527
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: So can I tell you something that that reminds me of? Yeah,

528
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: because I knew you were going through that obviously. I

529
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 4: kind of forgot about this when I quit drinking very

530
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: shortly after I had a lot of pain on my

531
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 4: right side and I went through MRIs and all kinds

532
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 4: of shit because I was like, oh great, I quit drinking.

533
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: Now my liver is gonna crap out on me. And

534
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: they finally figured out that I had torn the cartilage

535
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: underneath my ribs, and it was sounds like kind of

536
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: similar to what you were talking about with your chest,

537
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 4: where it's like this thing happens and they're like, ah,

538
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: we don't know, and then all of a sudden they're

539
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: like no answers, no answers, and your brain starts to spiral.

540
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah shit, you just don't see coming.

541
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all, really really weird. Really Yeah,

542
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've still fully processed all of

543
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: like the stuff that's coming out of that just it

544
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: made me feel very old like or more mortal, do

545
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like this is the first

546
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: time in my life where I was like, holy shit,

547
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: like I thought I was gonna croak? Am I doing stuff? Right?

548
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: Am I taking care of myself?

549
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: Right?

550
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Do I need to re examine how I'm taking care

551
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: of myself in other ways?

552
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: You know?

553
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just a whole whole bunch

554
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: of stuff that you know made me and made me

555
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: already and will I'm sure make me think more in

556
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: the future about a lot of different things. But how

557
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: I do stuff.

558
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes me feel bad because when when you

559
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: started your story, I remember the other part of my

560
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: fall that sucked, but I don't want to talk about

561
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: it now because yours is way worse.

562
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: I still want to hear about it. It's all all

563
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: issues are valid on this podcast, Tony.

564
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: I'm glad you got that sorted out, because I know

565
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: that was weighing on you real heavy, or at least

566
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: you got to some clarity on it, some visibility into it.

567
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: It is. It is really hard to.

568
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: It's sort of hard to understand something like that if

569
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: you haven't gone through it or faced it, or you know,

570
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 4: had those little kids at home and think about your

571
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: own mortality. I mean that's a that's a heavy mental

572
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: lift that really when when stuff like that happens, it

573
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: really makes like the size of the buck. Like some

574
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: of the stuff seemed really stupid that we kind of

575
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: fixated Ourial, you know, and I so what I was

576
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: going to say too, is so we you and I

577
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: started out, you know, the Louisiana trip, and then we

578
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: just went gangbusters right back to back to back whatever,

579
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: just trying to you know, you have like eight weeks

580
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: of just chaos, right, And I got through all of that.

581
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: I found a really good concentration of bucks on public

582
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: land in northern Wisconsin, like I had something going on.

583
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: Took my daughter in there.

584
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: We had one hundred and thirty inch or like forty yards,

585
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: I mean like cool. And so when when when I

586
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 4: got out of that and we got out all of

587
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: our travel, I was like, I'm going over there. I

588
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 4: scrapped my whole plan for the rut and I'm like,

589
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to go focus on this area of public,

590
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: not hunt my private and work those deer. And I

591
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: got over there and on my first morning had a

592
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: pretty good eight pointer come in that I almost killed.

593
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: He was ten yards away and I just started to

594
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: draw and he busted me. Just came into one place

595
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: where he was going to get a little bit of

596
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: my wind. But I was like, you know, day one

597
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: for that area, really like that's a good encounter. Like

598
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: I go all season and don't have that. And that

599
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: night I hunted, didn't see anything, and left and I

600
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: drove a route that I've driven I don't know, dozens

601
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 4: and dozens and dozens of times, maybe hundreds at this

602
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: point between the trout fishing and everything else and just

603
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: looking for deer, and I took a slightly different rut.

604
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: I went two miles on a highway when I usually

605
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: go on the gravel. I got out on that highway

606
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: in the rain, and I had a guy coming up

607
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: behind me pretty quick. Just looked at every viewer mayor

608
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: looked back up and there was a deer coming out

609
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: on the highway and I was like, there's nowhere to go.

610
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: Just smoked or day one. So the first chance I

611
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: had to hunt for myself, it was over and I

612
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm over there in northern Wisconsin and

613
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: you're just like, man, this stuff can go south. And

614
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: where I'm going with that is like everything was fine right,

615
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: Like I didn't I didn't go in the.

616
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: Ditch or anything.

617
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it really sucked, I had a knife or

618
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: it was just you know, not a fun experience. Right

619
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 4: then you're then you're you're done. But it's like it

620
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: reminded me like when everybody when I told people, I'm like,

621
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: I just smoked the deer, the first question is are

622
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: you okay? And you forget this kind of like you

623
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: forget how quickly something can go wrong, you know, and

624
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: how the other thing that I that your story with

625
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 4: what you went through for you know, multiple weeks of

626
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: like am I freaking dying here? Like are like are

627
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: my kids gonna not have a dad in a very

628
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: short amount of time? Like like those like heavy things

629
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 4: you don't ever consider until they're right in your face.

630
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: It's like.

631
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: When we should just treat each other better, you know

632
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like when that's happening. And then if

633
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: you would have gone out and killed a two and

634
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: a half year old just to be happy, a whole

635
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: bunch of strangers would have shot on it for the

636
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: size of it without having a clue what you just

637
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: went through and so I think it's a good reminder

638
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: when we see people out there wherever, like like you

639
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: don't know what they're going through, you know, like have

640
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: you have no clue what's like happening in their day

641
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: to day life. Like, I think that's a good reminder.

642
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a great reminder. And and also be

643
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: kinder to ourselves. Two. I think because I found myself,

644
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: like for example, in Kentucky, just like beating myself up

645
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: a bunch about you know, not not getting on the

646
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: deer or not being close enough or didn't make their eye.

647
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: You know, you should have moved there, You should have

648
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: moved there. At midday, I'll sit there for like hours

649
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: thinking about I should have done this, or you know,

650
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: you should have done that thing, or you could have

651
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: done this thing but you didn't, or God, you should

652
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: have we should have approached it this way, or you know,

653
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: things go wrong and then you you know, you're pissed

654
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: off about it or frustrated about it, or thinking about it. Ah, well,

655
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: here's another thing that didn't go my way, or what's

656
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: such and such gonna mean for the future or whatever.

657
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: And you know, anytime, anytime where I'm overly focused on

658
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: the end goal. It always leads to bad stuff. It

659
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: always leads to stress and not enjoying it. And uh,

660
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, especially given the stuff I was going through

661
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: this year, I probably should have cut myself a little

662
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: bit slack, maybe, But instead I was like, maybe doubly

663
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: hard on myself in some ways because I, like Jesus, like,

664
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: just get do something right, right, And man, I don't know.

665
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: I mean back to your point about i'ast shoot a

666
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: two and a half yeo to shoot whatever you want,

667
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: or this whole year without having like a mature buck

668
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: to hunt, I've been wrestling with you know, why am

669
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: I obsessing over trying to find a mature buck? Maybe

670
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: I just need to just shoot anything to have fun.

671
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: Or maybe I just need to chill the heck out

672
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: and stop stressing about it and just start taking my

673
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: kids hunting and enjoy that, because that's the one thing

674
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: that's super fun. But instead, I because I haven't killed

675
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: the mature buck yet, I've pushed off taking my kids

676
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: more and more and more because I'm still trying to

677
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: kill mature buck. And so now I'm in December and

678
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: haven't hunted with my kids at all because I've been

679
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: feeling like I'm obligated to kill a big buck and

680
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: and then you know, not doing the thing that really

681
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: would bring me the most joy or that is the

682
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: most fun or that actually you know, matters in the

683
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: long term. So those are the kinds of things and

684
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: questions that I've been wrestling with again this year as

685
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: I you know, continue to evolve, I guess as a

686
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: hunter and trying to understand, you know, what I want

687
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: this to look like for me and what my goals

688
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: are and will be in the future. This is definitely

689
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: another step this year of very examining that stuff.

690
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: Right, It's a good reminder. I mean, and you said

691
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: something before. I just I wrote about this for a

692
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 4: Foundation's episode that I think probably came out this week,

693
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: that this episode will drop about goals and how often

694
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: in hunting we kind of screw them up.

695
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: Like the goal.

696
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 4: It's it's like so easy to be like, well, I

697
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: want a buck bigger than one I've ever killed, or

698
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: I want a one forty, or you know, you talked

699
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: about like the end result sort of tainting the whole

700
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: process and focusing too much on that. And you know,

701
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 4: I felt that with my I would tag this year

702
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: where it was like I was really looking forward to that,

703
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: and I had about seventeen things go wrong in a

704
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: in a very short period of time, and was like,

705
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: now I just I kind of just want to kill

706
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 4: one and get out. And I had I just looked

707
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: at it wrong, you know. And when you when you

708
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: get one of those premiere tags like that that.

709
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 3: You've been waiting on.

710
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 4: Or any you know, whenever there's like a heightened level

711
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: of pressure, you know, to do well, then all of

712
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: a sudden, it can be real not fun in a hurry.

713
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: And it's it's a hard thing to remember, but it's

714
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 4: it happens, and when it happens, it sucks bad.

715
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what the solution is that I've

716
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: thought a lot about that. It's like, man, every time

717
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: I put these like increased expectations on a hunt or

718
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: a place or a season or whatever, it always comes

719
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: down to that like self induced pressure that you put

720
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: on yourself or the situation, and that al was always

721
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, I remember when it used to be just

722
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: like really fun to get up in the morning, go

723
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: hunt and see what the hell you're gonna see? Right, man,

724
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: this gonna be great. I'm gonna go out there and

725
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: who knows what's gonna happen. And if it didn't go

726
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: your way, no big deal, Let's go hunting again next

727
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: time when I want to go. Now, it's like, I mean,

728
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: what's what's a little bit said for me? Is that

729
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: I I caught myself and recognized this in myself. You know,

730
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: years ago, a couple of years ago, we were talking

731
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: about this, and still it's really hard to break those

732
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: bad habits. I still find myself, you know, executing what

733
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: feels like a military mission right and beating myself up

734
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: about it, and you know, I've yet to figure out

735
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: how to shake that. Maybe that's just part of it.

736
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: If if you're gonna try to do anything well, which

737
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: we are trying to do things well, you inherently have

738
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: to have that along the way. But maybe there's a

739
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: middle ground that is where I'm constantly trying to find

740
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: things and you know, find that sweet spot. But yeah,

741
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: you kind of I don't know. I don't know exactly

742
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: where that right spot is, but I do know that

743
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: the obsession and the obsession by the media and us

744
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: in the past, and all the Instagram stuff and YouTube

745
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: and everywhere, like constant big buck, this big buck, that

746
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: big buck, this like that is definitely I can't be

747
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: you and I can't be the only ones feeling this way.

748
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: Like there's gotta be a lot of other people who

749
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: are feeling this, and I want to find some way

750
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: to to change that a little bit in whatever small

751
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: way we can. I don't know what that looks like yet,

752
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: but but man, we got to bring the got to

753
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: keep the joy in deer hunting and get off of

754
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: this obsession with like did you get your big one

755
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: this year? Because that's I don't think that's helping many people, right.

756
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I can tell you you know, I

757
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: was looking at what I kind of want to do

758
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: this year for hunts, and I definitely want to hunt

759
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: a new state somewhere. I'm going to go public land hunt.

760
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: It might be Kansas, might be somewhere else. I'm not

761
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: sure yet. But I really realized that when I went

762
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: over to wiscont to Wisconsin with my daughter, where I

763
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 4: was like, we just got to get a little buck

764
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: to come in here, and she's gonna be super happy.

765
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: And we hunted private land where I had a bunch

766
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 4: of cameras out didn't have much for deer going on

767
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: and then I said, you know what, she's she's good enough.

768
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't have done this with her sister, but

769
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: she's good enough. Where I was like, let's go scout

770
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 4: public land and just like, just see, I have a

771
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 4: spot that I really like and there might be something there.

772
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: In the minute we pulled up there, I could see

773
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: rubs in the woods and a scrape on this little

774
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: loggin road coming out and I said, we're we're gonna

775
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: go in here and we're gonna do something fun. And

776
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: the minute we started hunting there, instead of being like, well,

777
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 4: I don't have any pictures on this camera this in

778
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: the last forty eight hours and the wind's wrong for

779
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 4: this spot and this, as soon as we walked in there,

780
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 4: I was like, now I'm having fun. Like now there's

781
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: a mystery. I don't care who's living here. I can

782
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: tell there's good ones here, but there's just a concentration

783
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: of deer and now we're gonna figure it out. And

784
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: we blanked that night, and then we went back in

785
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: the next morning with a new plan and we kind

786
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: of walked her through on X and like, here's what

787
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 4: we're gonna do. We're gonna get up early, We're gonna

788
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: go in there and maybe, just maybe, And it almost worked,

789
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: and it was like, Okay, this is this.

790
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: Is what I like.

791
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: I need those reminders because it's easy in a lot

792
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: of situations to be like, well, I'm I'm not excited

793
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 4: about this, like you said, because I don't have any

794
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: deer to shoot. It's like, okay, well on that private

795
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: place where your standards are this high, whatever, that's fine.

796
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: You don't have anything there, is it better to not hunt,

797
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: Like can you go find that somewhere else, or can

798
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: you go do something else, or like what can you

799
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: do to make sure that you keep that going instead

800
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: of just being like, I hunt this forty acres and

801
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 4: there's no shooters, so I'm not going because I think

802
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: that's I think we are on a like a.

803
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: Dangerous path with that.

804
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 4: And you hear that a lot where people are like,

805
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 4: I'm not going in until that buck shows up, and

806
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 4: when he does, then I will hunt him. Yeah, And

807
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: it's like that's just so it's so different than some

808
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: of the ways you can do it.

809
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll tell you one of the most fun

810
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: hunts I had in this area where I have been,

811
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, struggling to find a buck to hunt was

812
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: when I was like, you know what, nothing's working. I'm

813
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: not find him anywhere. Let's just do something crazy. Let's

814
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: go in and hunt this other area that I never

815
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: go to that shouldn't have deer. But I'm gonna still

816
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: hunt my way in there and sneak in and hunt

817
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: the ground and slip around and sneak into some bedding

818
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: areas and just do some crazy stuff just to switch

819
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: it up, because can't hurt at this point, just being

820
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: willing to adventure a little bit, try different things, or

821
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: another thing I haven't done but I keep on threatening

822
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: to do and I want to do, is like just

823
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: go up north and track deer in the snow. Try

824
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: that again. Just drive around, find a track, go for

825
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: a hike, see if you can walk down a deer.

826
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: And I'd be thrilled to shoot any buck like that.

827
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: But we put these like self created restrictions on ourselves

828
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: or feel like we're obligated to stick with an original

829
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: goal or whatever, and allow that to kind of paint

830
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: ourselves into a corner, which is which is a mistake.

831
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: Probably, dude, we just can't help but trophy hunt, we

832
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: can't help it. It's so it's just like so ensconced

833
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: in our like DNA.

834
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: I can tell you, I mean kind of fast forwarding

835
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: a little bit into like the good stuff. Like the

836
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: things that were the highs and the best moments were

837
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: the moments when I wasn't worried about that, Like the

838
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: times when I was able to pull myself away from

839
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: that were the best moments of a year, Like you know,

840
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: going doing the couple hunts that I have been able

841
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 2: to do with my sons so far, super fun. Best

842
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: moments of my hunting season, uh, hunting with my son

843
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: for turkeys this spring. We got a turkey together that

844
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: was a highlight, absolutely incredible. The you know, another thing

845
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: that stands out, and this is I guess I'm kind

846
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: of skipping to some of the takeaways or trends and

847
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: patterns I saw, but but really almost all of the

848
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: best moments of my year in the outdoors were those

849
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: excuse me, were those in which I was with people

850
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: right right. It was like the times that I made

851
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: time to do something with someone in my life that

852
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: I care about the are the absolute best. They were

853
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: not the times when I had the best chance to

854
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: kill a big, huge buck. It was the time when

855
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: I was with my dad at deer camp, and we're

856
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: with Josh and his kids and my kids at deer camp.

857
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: It was our spring turkey camp where a bunch of

858
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: my hunting budies all get together for a long weekend

859
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: and chase turkeys and do a bunch of dumb stuff

860
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: and have a good time. That's a highlight. And again

861
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: it gets it gets harder and harder. I think for

862
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: a lot of us who are trying to kill a

863
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: bunch of mature bucks, you end up spending a bunch

864
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: of long days on the road and you hunt by yourself.

865
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: Here in our case, maybe a camera guy's with us,

866
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: but we do a bunch of those kinds of trips

867
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: where you know we're on a mission, you're with your

868
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: camera guy, you or I know guys who do this

869
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: like We've got plenty of friends who do this kind

870
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: of thing, who are like lone wolf superstar deer hunters

871
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: who feel like they've got to kill four bucks a

872
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: year or five bucks a year. They travel from place

873
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: to place, and when you do that, you oftentimes sacrifice

874
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: time with buddies for more time in the woods, or

875
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: more time to go to more state or whatever it is.

876
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: And I keep on seeing over the last couple of

877
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: years paying attention to this that those are almost always

878
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: the times when I'm overstressed and not having fun, and

879
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: the times when I am like, hey, I'm gonna enjoy

880
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: my time with my friends. You I'm gonna hunt hard

881
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: and do some good stuff at the same time, I'm

882
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: gonna have lunch with my friends, or hey, I'm gonna

883
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: take my kids out for some of these haunts like

884
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: those end up being the best, So I gotta get

885
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: better leaning into those.

886
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: It's tough, buddy, but I'm right there with you, man.

887
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 4: I mean, if I if I look back at this

888
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: year and just think about, like, what were the real highlights.

889
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: The first one was Turkey season when my daughter's doubled

890
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 4: up on this hunt.

891
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: That was just we had.

892
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: We had gotten our butts kicked for a couple of days,

893
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: and then the weather broke and I called in some

894
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: birds from so far away that shouldn't even have been

895
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: in play, and they bull shot Jake's the same time,

896
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: and we're just stoked. It was just it was cool.

897
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: My buddy and his daughter got to watch it because

898
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: they were in a blind not too far away, and

899
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: then that bear with my daughter was for sure the

900
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: highlight because we you know, I had my daughters over

901
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: there a whole bunch, baiting the bears and setting up

902
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: cameras and blinds and you know, trout fishing in the

903
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: middle of the day or whatever, and just the whole experience,

904
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: like culminating with her, like making a perfect shot on

905
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: a bear was like just it was just cool. And

906
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: then her sister, the one who's just we just dropped

907
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 4: an episode a little bit ago where I was hunting

908
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 4: with one of my daughters when she drew a bear tag,

909
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: you know, two years ago now where we went over

910
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 4: and kind of did a combo hunt.

911
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: She killed a spike.

912
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 4: This year, we went out the first weekend we could

913
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: get over there, which was I think in the end

914
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: of September, and just sitting with her on the ground,

915
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: so we weren't in a blind for the first time,

916
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: Like I'm trying to get them hunting a little more

917
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: than just sitting in a in a blind.

918
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: And we were sitting on the ground and.

919
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 4: It was getting late and I looked over there and

920
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 4: this deer walked out and she we had been talking, obviously,

921
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: and she's she had killed two spikes and she's like,

922
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 4: I hope it's a spike. And she's like, I really

923
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: want to kill a velvet deer. And it was like

924
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: September twentieth or something. I'm like, well, you're not gonna

925
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: kill velvet deer. Sorry, just this is not gonna happen.

926
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 4: And then I glassed this deer at like forty yards

927
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 4: and I'm like, honey, I think it's a spike, and

928
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: I think he's in velvet and I could hear her

929
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: breath just like and he walked out and she shot

930
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 4: him and I'm glassing and I'm like, I think that's

931
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: a velvet spike.

932
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: And it was.

933
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what, man, she was like, she

934
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: was real happy with herself. So she's she's gone three

935
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: for three on spikes in the last three years and

936
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: she's kind of just.

937
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: Kind of hanging her hat on that.

938
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: But those three, you know, and then you know, we

939
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: did some late season hunting. I'm trying to get them

940
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 4: to like suffer a little bit and earn it, and dude,

941
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: they are like there. It's so fun to sort of

942
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: vicariously experience this through them now, like with their first

943
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: tree stand hunt, you know, or both of them killed

944
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: deer from the ground, not in blinds. This year of

945
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 4: them had encounters with deer that we almost killed but didn't.

946
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: And so even with like the limited time of fall

947
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: and all the school schedules and our you know, our

948
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 4: travel schedule and everything, I was like, man, the thing

949
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: that really kept me upright this year was just stuff

950
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 4: with them, and I mean, and we caught a ton

951
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: of fit.

952
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: We had a great year fishing too. So yeah, get

953
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: out with your kids.

954
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was you alluded to the next The

955
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: other thing I was going to say, other than the

956
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: fishing or sorry, other than the kids thing was just

957
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: the other highlights of me here were when I inserted

958
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: diversity and adventure into our outdoor experience. Even though you

959
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: and I are whitetail obsessed and that's like our thing,

960
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, every time we went fishing as a family,

961
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: every fishing trip this year we did a lot of it.

962
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: That was so much fun. And that's as we've talked

963
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: in the past, it's like a pressure release. It's just

964
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: kind of straight type one fun. There's not all the

965
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: pressure and expectations. I thought a lot about like, how

966
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: can I how can I act the way I act

967
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: when I fish, but while I'm hunt. Is there any

968
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: way that we can hunt and feel the way we

969
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: do when we fish, or is it just inherently different?

970
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

971
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: I know how how you gotta get yourself a lab

972
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: you gotta train it for pheasant hunting, and then you

973
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: got to follow it around in Because I feel the

974
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 4: same way when I'm when I'm pheasant hunting as I

975
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: do when I'm trying to get a SMALLI to come

976
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 4: up on top water. I'm like, this is just pure

977
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: in the moment.

978
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: It's kind of like.

979
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: Kind of like Western hunting, where it's like you're just like,

980
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: what's happening now, Like what's the input now? Like what's

981
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 4: gonna happen now, what's gonna happen in the next five minutes.

982
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: It's just so in the moment and fun.

983
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like there's got to be ways to to

984
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: bring that, to cross pollinate that somehow. But yeah, like

985
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: the absolute highlights of the year some epic fishing experiences

986
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: with the boys. Really getting to see my kids like

987
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: really figure it out, especially my oldest, Like he's really

988
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: into fishing and getting good at it, like proficient and

989
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: like we can be out there and he's just going

990
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: at it like we're on one camping trip this summer

991
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: and three days straight, seven plus hours a day, all day,

992
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: and that's all he wanted to do. Like I didn't.

993
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: It was like him saying, no, I want to keep going.

994
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: I want to keep going. There was no like I

995
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: want to go home, dad. It's like no, I'm just

996
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: going to cast and cast and cast. He's just having

997
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: a blast. That was absolute highlight. And then you know

998
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: my like my Alaska trip, doing the fishing trip and

999
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: the keys, like just like seeing new places, going new

1000
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 2: places outside of my comfort zone, that kind of stuff.

1001
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: And again that's something I think can translate to the

1002
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: white tail world too. Is like breaking out of your

1003
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: usual box, adding adventure, adding new things to it, I

1004
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: think is a great way. Like, you know, I feel

1005
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: a need for a new like white tail adventure in

1006
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: my future. I don't know what that's going to look

1007
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: like yet, but whether it'sn't going or maybe it's doing

1008
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: the track in the snow thing like I talked about,

1009
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: or I've threatened to do a backpacking white tail hunt

1010
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: for years, but something, because those those things always end

1011
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: up being a lot of fun when there's not a

1012
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: lot of expectation on the actual kill. Again, it's like, hey,

1013
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: let's go out there, have an adventure, do all this

1014
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: fun stuff and chase some deer for fun and hopefully

1015
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: it works out. But you know it's not going to

1016
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: be a tragedy if you don't kill one fifty. I

1017
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: think that that's that's a big takeaway, is like adventure,

1018
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: diversity and experience and deal with people you care about

1019
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: those things, Like that's the recipe.

1020
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I mean you touched on the good point

1021
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: there that we don't We talk about some but when

1022
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: you're you kind of keep arcing back to this thing

1023
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: of like when it doesn't have to be the one fifty,

1024
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 4: when it doesn't have to be the trophy, when it

1025
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be the mature buck. Most people aren't

1026
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: going to they're not going to go for a little one,

1027
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 4: or they're not going to still hunt or something when

1028
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: it's like your home ground that you've been working on

1029
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: and have your hit list and right on down the line.

1030
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 4: So again it's like you you might have to go

1031
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 4: find that somewhere else where you don't care. Like the

1032
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 4: some of the most fun that you can have with

1033
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 4: white til hunting is going somewhere where you absolutely do

1034
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: not expect to shoot a big one, And you're like,

1035
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 4: now my standards have recalibrated to this four day hunt

1036
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 4: somewhere else, and it doesn't have to be an out

1037
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: of state trip, you know, Like I think about this

1038
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: in my home state of Minnesota a lot. I mean,

1039
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: I can hunt way vastly diverse types of habitat and

1040
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: terrain and never leave the boundaries of my state, you know.

1041
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 4: And it's not like unique to Minnesota, right, Like you

1042
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: can people think about you know, you and I love

1043
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: to go to North Kota, right you think about how

1044
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 4: different the western half of that state is versus the eastern, southern,

1045
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: versus northern. There are some opportunities out there where you

1046
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: don't you don't have to buy that non resident tag

1047
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: and spend a bunch of money and then have that

1048
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: pressure of the non resident trip, because immediately that changes

1049
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: the kind of the vibe of.

1050
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: The whole thing.

1051
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like a matter of going an hour away

1052
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 4: to do that big woods hunt where you're just like

1053
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 4: trying to track one or something and it's just a

1054
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: different field than going out on your lease or your

1055
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: home farm and being like, well, I haven't got a

1056
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: picture of my number one buck in five days, and

1057
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: maybe the neighbors shot him, or he's nocturnal or whatever.

1058
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: It's like you've you've just like reshuffled the deck completely,

1059
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 4: even if it's just for like a day, it can

1060
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 4: be so fun.

1061
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's such a great, such a great point,

1062
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: and I just see it and like some of my

1063
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: other buddies too, like just the the worry, the stress,

1064
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: the pressure we put on, Oh is there gonna be

1065
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: a big one, or you know, the hit list. All

1066
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: this stuff that you're talking about, we've just built We've

1067
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: put all this stuff up on a pedestal. We've built

1068
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: up all of this stuff and made it seem like

1069
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: it's all so important and and it's it's I don't know,

1070
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: we're in some ways we're winning a really good thing.

1071
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: And it's like a collective. It's like it's the social

1072
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: media slash, larger media slash, just the way of the

1073
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: world slash. I don't know what, but it is definitely

1074
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: it's definitely something that I think we as a community

1075
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: have got to keep on thinking about. And I know

1076
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: we've been talking about it for years, but it's not

1077
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: fixing itself. And yeah, I guess I'm just living it.

1078
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: You're living it. We're all living it. But you know,

1079
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: even some of my best hunting buddies that have dealt

1080
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: with us themselves when they end up going instead of

1081
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: you know, like, I've got a friend who hunts in

1082
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: a great area. He's got some really good property and

1083
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, this year, just there weren't the bucks

1084
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: he was after. Like there's some good bucks, but he

1085
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: wants a big five year old or whatever, and they

1086
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 2: weren't there. And you know, he's a guy who historically

1087
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: get really stressed about this, and times will get really

1088
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: stressed about this, and like the hunting buddies in our

1089
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: group are kind of giving him a hard time of

1090
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: body doesn't have shit to hunt. But same thing is

1091
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: that you're talking about, Like we've created these crazy standards

1092
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 2: for ourselves because what you're supposed to do or whatever.

1093
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: There's plenty of deer he'd go and hunt, have a

1094
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: good time with probably, but he's convinced himself that he

1095
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: should only be shooting five and a half year old

1096
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: bucks or one sixties or whatever it is. And so

1097
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: because of that he feels like he has a shitty

1098
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: hunting season. But then when he decides to go trapping,

1099
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: like run the trap line instead, or take his son

1100
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: squirrel hunting, like he has a blast, right, Or when

1101
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: he goes out there and you know, has buddies come

1102
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: and hunt around them and sees them shoot something different,

1103
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: like that's a super fun time too, right, So I think,

1104
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: like there's obvious cures here, We're just allowing expectation or

1105
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: something to get in the way.

1106
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 4: Well, right, And I mean, one thing that I'm kind

1107
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: of hyper aware of right now is the more that

1108
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 4: you go out and do this random stuff that maybe

1109
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 4: doesn't have as much weight as drawn that I would

1110
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: take and trying to kill a one fifty. It's sort

1111
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: of the antidote to being super judgy, right, right. You

1112
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 4: see this, You see this so often with people who

1113
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: are who have like, you know, somebody is hunting in

1114
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: candy Land somewhere and they're like why why would anybody

1115
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: shoot anything less than a one forty or whatever? And

1116
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: You're like, you know, you have no concept of what

1117
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: other people are going through to hunt, or their time

1118
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 4: or like what's important to them.

1119
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: And I never do this. I made a mistake.

1120
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 4: And I looked at the comments when they posted a

1121
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 4: teaser from that hunt with my daughter. They were they

1122
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 4: were generally very good, but like literally the first comment

1123
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 4: was not trying to throw shade here, but why would

1124
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: you shoot that little buck when you could wait for

1125
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 4: a bigger one? And you know, you know me, I'm

1126
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 4: a nutcase. So my first reaction is like, I'm like, God,

1127
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 4: I wish you were standing in front of me. I'd

1128
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: kicking the taint so hard. But I'm like, yeah, she's

1129
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: she's an eleven year old girl hunting in northern Wisconsin

1130
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 4: and she has a couple of days a season to hunt.

1131
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: Like, it's not your tag, you know what I mean?

1132
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 4: Like, I the the petty part of me wants to

1133
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: look that guy up and be like, how come your

1134
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 4: wife's not a ten?

1135
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: Why is she a five? Right?

1136
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 4: Like you know there are tens out there, right? Why

1137
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 4: are you rolling around with this average woman when you

1138
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 4: could have a super model if you just tried harder,

1139
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: Like that would make me a huge prick, right yeah,

1140
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: not my not my journey, right, that's his journey.

1141
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: And I just think that.

1142
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 4: The more you go out and you're like, you know

1143
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 4: what I'm getting I'm getting out of my farm that

1144
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 4: I know really well, or I'm going to get out

1145
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 4: of the box blind on the food plot and I'm

1146
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: going to go still hunt them or whatever. Like whatever

1147
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: you do, this is like to get you outside of

1148
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: your comfort zone a little bit. You start to like realize, okay,

1149
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: like there's more to this, Like I'm seeing this such

1150
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 4: a myopic thing, you know, Like a lot of people

1151
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 4: feel that way about baiting, and I can shooit on

1152
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: baiting with the best of them, But when you go

1153
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 4: do it in different situations, whether it's in Texas or

1154
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 4: some other place where you get dump corn on the ground,

1155
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 4: you go okay, like I get it, Like maybe it's

1156
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: not for you, like but you can see why it

1157
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: would be for somebody else or like what Like it's

1158
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 4: just like sort of dulls those sharp edges you carry

1159
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: with like that chip on your shoulder, and you're just like okay,

1160
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 4: Like you know, we're hunting rabbits with antlers here, right,

1161
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: Like should I get super pissed off and go after

1162
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 4: a stranger over this? I don't know, man, Like is

1163
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 4: it that important?

1164
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great I think that's a

1165
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: really good place to end this out is is both

1166
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: being a little bit more I don't know if it's

1167
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: forgiving or kind. I mean you said, like being kinder

1168
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: to others, not being so damned judgy, not you know,

1169
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and then also being a

1170
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: little bit kinder to ourselves and releasing some of the

1171
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: pressure off ourselves, getting back to having fun, focusing on

1172
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: what's important here. I think if we can do those

1173
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: two broad sets of things going in, twenty twenty five

1174
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: should be a dang good year.

1175
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: Maybe, I hope, so, Buddy, for your sake in mind

1176
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: and everybody who's listening, I hope so, buddy.

1177
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: And on that note, Tony, appreciate you joining me. Let's

1178
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 2: do our best to make twenty five a good one,

1179
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: and there'll be lots of fun adventures ahead for us

1180
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: to share, and looking forward to hearing from plenty of

1181
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: listeners about their journeys too. So without any more I

1182
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: don't know crazy stories I'm Tony about kicking people and

1183
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: the others. Let's wrap this one up and thank you

1184
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: for joining us, folks, and until next week, stay wired

1185
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: to hunt, all right, And that's it for us today.

1186
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: Appreciate you being here. Thank you for kicking off the

1187
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: new year with Tony and I. It's gonna be a

1188
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: good one. I don't care what Tony says. We're gonna

1189
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: have a terrific twenty twenty five and I'm sure you will,

1190
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: and I'm excited to be sharing it with you. Thanks

1191
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: for being a part of this community, and thanks for

1192
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: staying wired to hunt