WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 100822 The Importance of Local Government with Harry Curtin (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:07.680 And now how my mic back. You're like that you 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:08.600 can strike. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:11.840 Waters from headquarters behind him. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.760 And then if you're just tuning in to Civic Cipher, 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.840 I am your host Ramsey's job. Big shout out to 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.880 my man q Ward, who has taken a week off 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.680 but shall return in short order to give you more 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.320 of his thoughts and his perspective on all the things 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.080 that you know him of for him to talk about, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.479 I'm sure anyway, Uh, this week, we have very special 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.159 guests with us, Harry Curtin, who I met at a 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.360 panel for you know, folks running for city council. He's 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.680 the person that I thought I would lend my endorsement 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.000 to and I invite him up on the show, and 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.560 he's here with us to discuss, you know, the role 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:54.440 of local government, certain policies that he feels could be 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.040 beneficial and just you know what the future may hold 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.680 for us. So we're gonna talk more with him, and 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.880 we're also going to discuss Benjamin Banneker for our Way 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.520 Black History Fact and he's a very interesting person that 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.919 shows that we were not just slaves and conquered tribes 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.480 brought over to this country, but great thinkers and contributors 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.600 to the foundation of this great nation of ours. But 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.200 first and foremost, let's discuss baba. How to become a 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.399 better ally. Today's Baba sponsored by Major Threads where high 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.680 fashion meets timeless men's where visit major threads dot com 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.720 from more information. The passage I'm reading comes from SCOTUSblog 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.039 dot com. And I'm going to need you to pay 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.280 a little bit of attention because the Baba comes in 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.920 the end, all right. In February, divided Supreme Court temporarily 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.280 blocked ruling by a three judge district court in Alabama, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.880 which had agreed the state's new congressional map likely violates 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.040 the Voting Rights Act. After nearly two hours of oral 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.800 argument on Tuesday, the justices appeared inclined to permanently set 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.640 aside the district court's ruling, even if it wasn't clear 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:02.200 on exactly what theory they would do so. But even 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.840 a narrower ruling than the broad pronouncement the state seeks, would, 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.359 the plaintiffs contend, make it much more difficult to challenge 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.840 redistricting plans on the grounds that they weaken the collective 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.040 voting power of black people. So yeah, this is something 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.320 we got to pay attention to. The law at the 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.400 center of this case is Section two of the Voting 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.800 Rights Act, which bar's election practices that result in the 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.520 denial or abridgement of the right to vote based on race. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.079 Voters and other groups have challenged Alabama's twenty twenty one 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.400 redistricting map for its seven seats in the US House 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.280 of Representatives, arguing that the map violates Section two by 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.320 diluting the votes of the state's black residents, who make 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.520 up twenty seven percent of the state's population. The state, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.000 the challenge is said, illegally packed many black voters into 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.360 one district as as part of Alabama known as the 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.120 Black Belt at the time. The challengers contend the state 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.160 dispersed black vast voters and the rest of the Black 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.960 Belt and to several other districts where they are only 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.679 a minority, when it should have created an additional majority 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:13.080 black district. A three judge court that included two judges 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.920 appointed by President Donald Trump ruled that the map likely 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.640 violates Section two, but in February, the Supreme Court, by 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.640 a vote of five to four, put that decision on hold, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.760 allowing Alabama to use the map in the twenty twenty 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.880 two elections and set the case for argument in the 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.839 twenty twenty two to twenty three term. If you want 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.960 to help push back against this, please visit N DOUBLEACP 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.000 dot org slash donate. We need our vote, we need 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.960 our voice once again N DOUBLEACP dot org slash donate. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.360 All right, now back to today's guest, mister Harry Curtin. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.680 All right, all right, we talked about local government. We 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.200 talked about homelessness a bit. Yep, let's get to the 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.800 visit of the meet. Let's get to the meet. All right, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.000 what are your thought on the current state of police? 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.520 Yeah, so this is something at a city council level. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.040 You have a lot of input and a lot of 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.760 you can make some real good happen in this area 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.880 for sure. All Right, So the police for me, I 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.200 talked a little bit in the beginning about you know, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.000 my story and kind of what I went through as 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.480 a kid. When I was a kid, I wanted to 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.839 be a police officer. You know, they were my heroes. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.359 They looked out for me in these you know times 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.080 when they would be shown up to our house to 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.800 break up a dispute between my parents. I mean, they were. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.960 I sometimes knew their names better than I knew my teachers. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.440 Little kids don't want to be police officers anymore, and 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:43.440 probably for good reason. You know, we haven't evolved that 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.080 department the way we should. We haven't supported the officers 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.120 the way we should. But I think what we're missing 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.919 is how we policed in the past is not what's 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.520 going to work in the future today in the future, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.080 and we've been unfair to them, and we've been fair 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.280 to the public, and there's a lot that can change 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.080 there to make them more support, make them want to 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.479 be a police officer again, allow them to have the 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.640 career opportunities that they should have, but also get the 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.919 officers we want to support the problems we have in 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.680 the city. So you know, this is a problem I've 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.680 thought so deeply about. I mean, I think about it 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.600 all the time. And one of the things that really 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.240 drove me to run for office. For me, if I 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.200 just had like a golden opportunity, if I said, hey, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.560 I could just wave a want and get what I want. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.400 What I would want is essentially a advanced campus for 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.960 training for police officers, one that country has never seen before. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.919 Something I mean, I think star trek, I mean advanced, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:42.480 beautiful campus that focuses on social work, mental health, you know, cyber, 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.120 all these different areas that a police officer now deals 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.440 with in a daily basis. Not always cyber, but a 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.320 lot of these areas, because I mean, we're expecting an 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.640 officer to show up and deal with mental health crisis, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.440 at domestic dispute, you know, all these things and solve 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.760 in one day, and they don't have those skills. You know, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.480 we haven't given them those tools. We're not fair to them. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.440 And then we're like, oh, yeah, you did a bad job. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.839 Well I wouldn't do it. I mean, how could you 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.400 possibly do it? What I see is an expanded police force, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.440 but a different kind of police force. I'm talking about 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.520 community policing. And you have a domestic dispute, you have 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.479 someone that shows up that's highly trained in that era, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.159 show up, Maybe have an officer in the background, you know, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.720 the gun if something goes wrong. But you're essentially diagnosing 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.320 the problem from nine to one to one as best 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.480 you can to bring the right resource. So we're not escalating, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.599 we're de escalating. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:30.159 You know. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.720 It's just a totally different vision, and you're gonna get 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.800 officers that want to be there again. You're gonna get 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.200 a community that's supported, You're gonna have people going out 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.200 that can actually help with these problems. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:40.680 We're just not We're just not. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.200 I love that you have this approach. I want to 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.760 share something with you if i'm any First off, my 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:52.520 cos Q he has the same background. When he was younger, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.440 he wanted to be a police officer. In fact, when 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.040 he was old enough he actually applied. Really so he's 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.880 someone that grew sort of espousing the idea. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:02.240 Heroes die hard. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.640 I was kind of meant to be a rock star, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:14.880 so it wasn't. But I guess you're very kind. So 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:24.000 here's my view. You're absolutely right. We asked police to 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.840 do too much the way that we have framed policing 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:36.000 via what is known as copaganda, meaning police are espoused, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:40.920 especially espoused through Hollywood films and you know, crime stories 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.960 and true crime this sort of stuff, and the way 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.880 that police misconduct is sort of buried, the way that 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:54.080 the policing kind of Are you familiar with the Stanford Experiments. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:59.400 We won't get into how the Sanford Experiments is basically 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.560 a prison experiments where you know. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:04.680 I saw the movie I don't know. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.520 Yeah, but but you know, it just gives you a 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.400 glimpse into human psychology. It's not the most you know, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.520 it's debatable you know, how the experiment was conducted, but 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.240 it does serve as you know, again we mentioned absolute 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.360 power corrupts absolutely. This is the thing. It's a human condition. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.760 We're not you know, pointing anything racially. It's a human condition, right, Yeah. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.280 So when it comes to policing. So I've been around 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.440 the world, I've been very fortunate. I've traveled. I've been 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.760 all fifty states, I've been you know, done, seeing a 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.080 good amount of this planet. Awesome. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:37.360 Yeah. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:43.360 So I've been in places where police have no guns. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.280 It's not a real thing. They don't have crime in 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.320 the way that we do. Jails are different, jails are different, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.440 of course, But I've been in places where police do 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.960 have guns. And this is a country where we do 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.679 have the right to bear arms. Q famously as a 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.840 gun owner, I famously am not. I do not believe 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.120 that my purpose, I was not created by our common 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.920 creator to take a life. And I don't believe a 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.760 gun is how you defend yourself, that's how you end 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.640 the life. That's the only purpose that if I'm defending myself, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.640 it's with a vest or hiding or something. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.840 you know, but I you know that's to execute, not 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:19.400 to defend. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:19.720 Ye. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.800 Anyway, I've been places where the police do have guns. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.640 You know, they have the right to bear arms in 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.160 these countries as well, and the police will keep their 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.160 guns in the trunk of their car. There's a there's 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:38.000 a step between, uh, where where you have no gun, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.360 I'm with you, and where you have sort of this 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.560 ready fire aim happening over and over again. I'm with you, absolutely, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.480 I know that you are. This is for our listeners, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.720 but we're paying a picture here because I love your thoughts. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:50.040 Here. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.440 Now I think we can get there, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.560 So watch this what we have right now. I think 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:03.160 it appeals to people who I want to do good, absolutely, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.240 but it also appeals to people who maybe themselves have 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.560 been bullied by parents in their home. They want respect, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.920 they want you know, they want that gun. That gun 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.880 commands respect. There's no two ways about it, right, And 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.719 if they have a gun and a way to if 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.960 you don't respect me, if you don't respect my authority, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.760 you know, then they kind of it's it's kind of 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.880 like a rage quit. You know this, and this is 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.439 something that we see quite often. I have an example 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.480 where we will talk about it next week on the show. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.120 Our producer Maggie b. Noan put it together for us, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.280 and this is normally we talk about stories that affect 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.600 black and brown communities, our Asian American and Pacific Islander 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.440 brothers and sisters, so forth, and so on. But this 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.080 will probably be a third or fourth show where we 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.240 talk about exclusively our Caucasian brothers and sisters. And there 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.160 was a young man who lost his life at the 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.880 hands of police on video, and he was white. He 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.319 parked his vehicle and he called the police and he said, 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.600 I'm I'm having a tough time here. I need some help. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.160 And the police came and they did try to talk 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.640 to him, and after some time they wanted to go home. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.520 I guess or whatever he may have had like a 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.920 pocket and something in the car. I don't remember what 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.920 it was. You'll get the actual story next week, or 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.920 of course you can look this up. And they wanted 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.160 to taste him when they started tasing him, of course 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.959 he's moving radically and then someone one of the officers 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.400 shot him to the front window. He called them because 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.199 he was having a problem. He wanted to help, but 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:37.480 he didn't want to get out of the car because 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.560 health issue. And he's no longer here for that. There 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:48.960 you go. So what we have is a system that 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:55.600 puts fear kind of squarely in the middle of the narrative. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:56.640 For police officers. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.559 They have right now, watch yeah. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:05.679 Watch watch this. You're a police officer, you know it's 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.040 crazy out here. Everybody has a gun, so you need 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.079 to have your gun. If you feel your life is 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.960 in danger, you need to shoot, you know, blah blah blah, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.800 rather than hey, you realize that this job could be dangerous. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.600 You know, this could be a dangerous job. Our job 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.160 is to help people, you know, and kind of have 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.160 a different orientation around it. We have a certain orientation 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.120 where the officer had to say fear for his life. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.480 It was justified blah blah blah. And we're seeing that 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.840 people are losing their life needlessly. People that didn't intend 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.960 to wake up and do anything crazy and end up 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.400 dead end up dead very often. Not to say that 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.640 police officers shouldn't be able to protect themselves, but when 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.360 we go into it with fear, the officers are that afraid. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.120 Q doesn't like when I use that word because he 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.880 often sees these videos as being overt racism or you know, 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.320 like I just don't care about these people's life, and 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.120 I'm going to see this through to the end. But 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.319 for me, a lot of times I try to give 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.760 the benefit of doubt. I call it fear. When the 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.480 officers are made to be afraid. When fear is sort 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.880 of where they operate from, and we give them a device, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.760 a contraption whose only purpose is to end to life, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.480 then we end up seeing the same stories that we 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.480 see over and over again. And so to your point, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.320 you know, the state of policing is not necessarily about 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.240 the individual police officers. It's about police culture. It's based 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.199 around fear. For giving people guns, and the guns is 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.000 like the first line of defense. If we're militarizing the police. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.959 They got these punisher masks that align with their identity 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:41.959 and so forth. It enhances bully culture. It enhances us 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.040 versus them as opposed to listen, we are in the 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.240 same community. I have friends right now who are police officers. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.160 I've shouted them out on this show before, and a 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.360 lot of you listening I know, well, A lot of 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.839 my listeners. They are going to hear that and be like, 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.599 oh my god, but I do I be honest, I 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:58.280 do have friends. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.880 Looks until we've given them the tools and the investment 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.880 and given them tools that they can actually address these 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:12.040 problems correctly. Sure, I think we're man. I mean, think 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.199 about think about a day in the life of a 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.240 police officer in terms of what they make. You know, 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.160 there's there's struggling with to raise their family, and then 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:19.720 they're going out. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.280 They're laying their life on the line. They have to 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.760 solve all these city problems in a day. Often. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.080 I mean, look, I know there's the bad Apple thing. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.160 You know, I get it, but Jesus, how many times 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.400 do you make a mistake in a week and one 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:33.920 of the implications. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:34.480 Very serious scale. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.720 We got one. They've got no room, you know, and I. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.200 Just I want to give them the right tools. I 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.760 want to invest, I want to create that and then 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.360 I can kind of come in with a stick, you know. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.160 Yeah, I want to do the right thing. I don't 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:48.640 think we're doing the. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.560 Right yeah, you know, wants to be a cop and 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.640 another thing. So there's a lot of people that feel 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.800 like the change is going to happen overnight, and I 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.560 realized that things need to evolve and they probably are 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.680 going to eat involved very slowly, as is often the 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:08.920 case with things central to the black plight in this country. Again, 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.440 there are a lot of institutions that are resistant to 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:16.080 change because simply because that's the way we've always done right, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.960 And a shift in the narrative, a shift in the identity, 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.160 and the shift in we'll call this is tough. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.400 This will be a tough fight people that are used 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.160 to it be in this way. There's officers that want 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:28.760 it but won't be able to speak up. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.360 Sure, it's going to be all there. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.160 All of it. And I think to your point, I 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.840 someone who's willing to say, listen, what we have is 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.280 not working. What we've done in the past is not working. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:50.760 Throwing more money at the problem without creating new uh uh, guidelines, solutions, rules. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.280 You know, a plan doesn't it does nothing for no one. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.840 And so this is kind of what really stood out 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.800 to me when you were speaking. Obviously I could go 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.720 on and on about the way policing is done. Again, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.320 the human beings. I don't take issue with the human beings, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:15.400 but the institution, the way that it is executed throughout society, right, exactly, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:20.760 well said it overwhelming right, and it overwhelmingly benefits a 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.360 certain group of people. They don't see the problems, they 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.600 don't see the flaws. The police never interact with them 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.640 other than the wave and say hi. And then there's 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.400 other groups of people where they are overly policed and 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.560 therefore overly incarcerated. Not that they do more crimes. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:34.480 Worried about that too. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.960 But I'm worried about the police officers as you should 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.440 feel for them, as you should be. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.720 But you know, we have to bear in mind the 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.000 nature of the job, and the purpose of the job 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.320 is to serve the community, or at least in theory. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.240 The Supreme Court decided that police officers do not have 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.600 to in fact serve and protect, but in theory, this 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.680 is what they do. And so everyone deserves a voice 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.840 in terms of how their communities are policed. And because 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.640 oftentimes it's black and brown mothers that are grieving the 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.800 loss the permanent loss of their children or families are 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.560 ripped apart or beaten or whatever things that don't make 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:13.800 the news, everyone deserves to have a seat at the table. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.320 And I think a person who has a degree of 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.439 empathy and focuses on the human experience of this. All 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.840 deserves to be elected, which is why I will be 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.480 for you. You're in my district, yes, sir, So let's 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:26.359 move on. Let's move on. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.080 Can I tell one story please? Well? 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.359 Yeah, So, I'm a part of a group called the 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.000 one hundred Club that supports fallen off first responders if 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:35.560 they get hurt. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.679 So I went out. There was a big story here 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.440 about a year ago where officers. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.960 Were protecting a baby. Somebody was using a baby basically 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.439 to dodge the bullets. Five officers went out. They all 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.000 got shot, and a woman really went in there, dug 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.560 in got shot the worst. I went out there, part 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.200 of the one hundred Club to kind of give them checks, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.080 just to help them out. I didn't know what else 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.320 to say to them, but I wish it was me. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.040 I mean, these are kind, nice people given their lives. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:03.639 What am I doing? 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:04.040 You know? 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:09.520 And I think the story is complex, you know? And yeah, 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.040 so I'm glad. I'm glad you said that. It is 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:13.919 important to say that. And this is why I keep 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.679 saying that these are people who are part of an 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:24.760 institution that there are disproportionate outcomes and effects on communities, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.000 the people who are brave people. We've covered stories of 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.640 officers being very brave charging into a firefight to help 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.080 protect black and brown people. We've told those stories on 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.560 this show, and we've also had to talk about uvalde. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.520 You know, and and everything in between. And so something 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.199 that's a bit more consistent that acknowledges the fact that 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.920 we're dealing with human beings on both sides of love. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.000 Still still there, you go so well, said sir. All Right, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:54.639 So I want to get this one in because this 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.640 is something that we've touched on a lot on this show. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.879 You mentioned that you're six in business and helping people 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:07.760 billion dollar you know, operating problems. So big business is 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.120 responsible for a lot of what is now being deemed 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.520 as environmental racism. This is something again that we discussed 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.320 on this show. For those of you listening who may 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:20.000 not be familiar with environmental racism, check out anything on YouTube. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.320 John Oliver has a great segments about twenty minutes long. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.320 We don't have twenty minutes. I'm sure there's vice, there's 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.280 you know, other reputable sources, but environmental racism, please look 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.840 it up. But again, big business is responsible for a 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.400 lot of what is now being deemed as environmental racism. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.320 How can or how should we address this? 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.679 Yeah, I mean it's such a and you know we 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.040 talked just for a second before. It's not a subject 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.119 I feel. I'm I've got clocked, you know, I just don't. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.520 And that's what I think. You bringing it up. What 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.159 it pushes me to do is really dig in you 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.320 know what in the city where those. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.399 Situations maybe happening. That's what I want to know. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.199 I can give you, I can give you. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:03.679 Yeah, so. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:15.919 My Hispanic brothers and sisters are central concentrated, is what 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.399 I'm looking for in certain pockets of the city that 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:26.440 we live in. And what we have seen, I've seen 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.719 a report on this is that you know, in Arizona, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.439 we have a very specific, unique issue in that it 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.639 gets very hot here. If you look in places like 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.760 you know, Paradise Valley, which is very affluent, Scott's Still Arizona, 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.520 which again is very inffluent, things like this, in those 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.119 neighborhoods where there's a larger concentration of our Caucasian brothers 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.600 and sisters, you'll notice that the temperature itself is about 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:56.760 I believe it's two to eight degrees cooler on average, exactly, exactly, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:02.639 And what the city doesn't realize is that it affects health, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.200 the health of the individuals of our Hispanic brothers and sisters. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:12.280 It affects mobility, It affects housing prices, it affects you know, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.639 so forth, and so on. And so when the city 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.960 comes up with funds to put in parks, green belts, 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.000 things like this, and they continue to go into neighborhoods 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:26.080 that beautify parts of the city that are not really 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.120