WEBVTT - Hanna and Jake 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.040 Welcome to the piked In Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.040 and Katie Studios, the bodies. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.719 Of seven adults and one sixteen year old boy were 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:11.280 found in. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.760 Four different locations along a country road in Pine County. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.960 A small town nightmare comes to life in rural Ohio. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.319 Eight members of the road and family gunned down in 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:23.960 cold blood in their sleep. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:25.639 Just a nightmare scenario. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.640 All of them shot in the head execution style is 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:30.360 absolutely shocking. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.400 The brutal murder spark a two and a half year 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:37.080 investigation comprising state, local, and federal authorities. Then Attorney General 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.320 Mike DeWine comments on what ends in a stunning series 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:41.080 of arrests. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.440 At the center of this case were members of the 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:47.280 Wagner family, whom we believe the avalanche will show conspired 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.000 together to kill these eight people. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.760 It's a crime that shocks a once quiet community and 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.400 leaves a haunting legacy that may lie at its very heart. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.120 There are survivors and they are very young. We're talking 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.120 three children. One is is four days old, a six 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.880 month old baby, and a three year old. And when 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.600 the reporters were asking were all of them asleep at 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:08.600 the time, they said no. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:17.120 This is the piked In Massacre, Episode three, Hannah and Jake. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.600 Over the course of the first two episodes, we've covered 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.360 the details of the Rodin murders and learned about the 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.679 family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners. I'm Courtney Armstrong, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.360 a producer at KATI Studios. With Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane, 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.959 we worked on a documentary about the Roden murders back 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.120 in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.080 If we're going to talk about the road in deaths, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.600 then we also need to talk about their lives. So 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.279 often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.120 about their murders and so little about who they were prior. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.200 I all accounts, the Roden family was a very happy, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.480 close knit family. In fact, they lived just miles from 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:55.960 one another. 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:57.520 They were close enough that they all lived on the 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.520 same road, which speaks to just how tight knit they were. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.160 And you know, this family went back generations in Pike County. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.040 Everyone we talked to you pretty much said the same 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.280 thing about them. They were all very hard working, very kind, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.360 and very generous. And we probably heard this the most 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.960 about the matrix of the family Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.919 Here's one of Dana's oldest friends, Becky Ryder. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.880 She is a very nice person, just a great mother 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.360 and a great your wife to her husband. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.640 Yeah, she's just so wrong, a good person. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.560 As we listened to Becky described Dana Roadin, we began 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.840 to see a vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.160 a caring nurse at a nearby assisted living facility, and 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.440 a surrogate mother to some of the local kids. Brittany 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.359 was one of them, a lifelong friend of Dana's son, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.640 Chris Junior. She reminisced about Dana with Stephanie. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.640 She had shorter brown hair. She always had the like 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.639 curly and sometimes she was put like purple streaks in 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.440 her hair, blonde streaks like I don't know. She liked 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.359 that kind of weird stuff slumps in here like. I 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.360 always looked at her, like, what are you doing to 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.560 your hair? See now I do that to my hair. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.720 She would be very proud of you, Yes she would. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:12.200 She'd laugh at me. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.680 And Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.000 She would kind of be the mama bear. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.440 Yeah, one time we were all riding and I wasn't 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.120 on the four wheeler with Chris. Well, we were all 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.040 riding in I actually got in a wreck because the 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.320 four wheeler, like I don't know what happened to it, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.639 Like it just completely messed up and we flipped down 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.680 the hill and Chris went and got his mom, and 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.840 his mom like came up in the woods. It was 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.600 like freaking out, and then she took care of me, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.880 gave me some eyes, she gave me some water, you know, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.400 being that whole. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.760 Mom like are you okay? 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:48.320 Are you okay? 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.400 Do I need to call the ambulance? So that was 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:51.640 always a good thing. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.360 Dana met her husband, Chris Rhoden Senior, when she was 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.040 in high school, and they fell in love immediately a 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.600 few years later they got married. Here again, as Becky 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.160 Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane, she remembered meeting Dana 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.680 as a young wife who had found the man of 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:07.440 for dreams. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.400 Well, I met danae her and Chris was already married. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:12.000 So they got married in high school. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.440 Then, Yeah, she got married really young. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:15.000 Was that uncommon? 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.040 Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew that's the 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.760 man that she loved, and she knew she wanted to 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.440 be with him forever. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.320 Stephane likns knew Chris Senior as a devoted family man 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.560 and a skilled craftsman. She spoke to our producer Jeff 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:33.080 about him. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.640 I tell you, if you could see some of the stuff, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.640 some of the things that he built, like the decks. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.280 He was an amazing carpenter. He built this one that 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.599 had all kinds of intricate you know, he designed them, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:56.679 you know, just his imagination. You know he could if 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.680 you know, if they said money's no object, you would 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.839 be a at you know, the things that he could do. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.279 Together. Dana and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.640 and Chris Junior, but after more than twenty years of marriage, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:19.080 the relationship began to fall apart. Dana and Christina got divorced, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.840 but they continued to live on the same property, working 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.440 together to take care of the children. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.160 They still had each other's back no matter what. Everything 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.320 was always for the kids. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.479 Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior and Dana's 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:33.039 only daughter. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.400 She was great, She was funny, She was really funny. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.720 She was really really nice. She knew everyone, Everyone knew her, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.599 and she just like talked to everyone, but she wasn't 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:47.280 stuck up or anything like that, and she lived life 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:48.440 to the fullest. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.120 But after her murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.320 that Hannah's life and the events leading up to her 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.880 death were much more complicated than anyone I piked in 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:03.400 could have known. All of this starts six years earlier, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.720 in the summer of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.400 and she starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.120 At the time, Jake was just shy of eighteen. The 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.720 relationship moves quickly. Three years later, Hannah and Jake begin 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.919 planning to start a family, and in November twenty thirteen, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.200 Hannah gives birth to their baby girl, Sophia. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.480 She was a great mom like sometimes she would bring 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.520 her her baby to school like the She would always 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.160 come into minding Chris's class because we had American Government together, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.520 and she would always bring the baby in there and 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.440 let our teacher, mister Krino, see the baby. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.680 We talked to a relative of the Wagner family. She 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.920 asked us not to use her name, but shared her 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.400 thoughts on what Jake was like as a father to Sophia. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.040 Jake was always very i mean hand on, like he 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.240 would always be playing like, hey be outside baby, you know, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.719 non stop hand and he always kind of make sure 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.400 that she, you know, had what she needed. Just very 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:11.840 active with her and very protective of her. It seems like, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:16.280 you know, the second that like if anything bad were 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.280 to happen, I guess he was on it. Like he 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.120 was there for her. He was ready to do whatever 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.000 needed to be done in order to make sure that 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:26.760 she was okay. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.920 Well. Raising a family is difficult for the young couple, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.200 they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.760 works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.000 The couple in Sophia split time between the Rodent and 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:45.400 the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.080 Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.640 excited to be spending time with the newest addition to 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:53.600 her family. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.320 Her great children. They absolutely adored her. They left her. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.960 They always wanted to, you know, go with her, and 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.360 she would go out of her way to make sure 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.160 that they were taking care of or, you know, on 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.600 the holidays that they thought you know anything that cod 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.840 you think she could give them and everything like that. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.800 Dana Rohden's friend Stefanne told our producer Jeff that Dana 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.040 was just as elated. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.240 Was she excited to be a grandmother again? 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.480 Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.720 In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.560 Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.640 even had rings tattooed on their fingers. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.160 Throughout that time, Hannah became very close with the Wagner family, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.160 so much so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.400 the press that Hannah was like a daughter to her 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.640 and her entire family. So if that's the case, what 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.079 could possibly have gone wrong? 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.679 We have a little bit of insight into that thanks 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:53.160 to a signed affid David that Jake Wagner submitted, And 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.760 this is just from his perspective, but what he claims 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.160 is that he and Hannah split in April twenty fifteen, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.400 which is a year before the murders. He claims that 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.280 Hannah actually was the one to break up with him 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.360 because she thought he was working too much, and his 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.160 perspective was that he wanted to stay at home wife 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.440 and a full time mother to Sophia, which Hannah was 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.520 just not ready to do. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.200 Which, again, that is his account. We don't have the 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.160 benefit of having Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.960 account either. We spoke with an anonymous Wagner family source 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.840 and they say that Jake just really wasn't ready to 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.320 throw in the towel on the relationship period. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.319 He was trying very hard to make sure that they 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.480 got back together. He still wanted to be with her. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.120 He was trying to get back with her, just everything 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:41.800 that he could. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.160 It's really hard to know what goes on in a 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.640 relationship behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.520 as though she was being controlled by Jake or that 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.600 she was in over her head and couldn't get out 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.240 of the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.480 heart was really the reason that his entire family allegedly 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.360 killed her entire family. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.160 Yeah, again, going back to kind of figuring out like 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.040 the timeline and what might have happened, We're able to 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.200 kind of piece some of it together through social media. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.360 We found a post from July of twenty fifteen where 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.160 she made a rather cryptic entry on Facebook, posting lyrics 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.480 to a song about domestic abuse, and the lyrics read, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.760 he slowly isolates her from all of her friends. She 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.640 works really hard, but he takes all of it. She 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.480 ended the post with her own words, saying, en domestic violence, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:33.680 live a happier life. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.120 It is important to note that we don't know for 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.600 an absolute fact that these posts were about Jake. The 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.000 timeline certainly matches up, but if they were all about Jake, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.840 it raises a number of questions. Was Jake Wagner a 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:53.640 controlling and abusive partner. Though we can't be sure about 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.360 what went on behind the scenes of Jake and Hannah's relationship, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.280 we do know one thing. Hannah was eighteen years old 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.240 when she posted message, and she would be dead within 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:09.360 a year. We're going to take a quick break here. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:21.160 We'll be back in a moment. Let's go back to 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.760 that summer of twenty fifteen. Just after Hannah and Jake 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.480 broke up. That May, she starts dating a guy named 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.200 Charlie Gilly. Charlie is her brother, Frankie's best friend and 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:35.079 the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly. Here's journalist Jeff Winkler, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:35.760 there was. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.800 This period after Hannah May had broken things off with 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.200 Jake Wagner that when she got with Charlie, it was 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.360 sort of by what you would hope for, you know, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.560 everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly, who you know, by 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.640 all accounts was very caring, very loving, very much liked 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.880 by the family. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.720 Charlie is proud of his relationship with Hannah. He often 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.600 posts photos of he and Hannah kissing and proclaims his 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.640 love for her online. However, as fast as things heat up, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.240 they fizzle out just as quickly, and by the end 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.960 of July twenty fifteen, the couple breaks up. Now, according 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.520 to that same Fit David that Jake Wagner signed, he 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.920 and Hannah continue a physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.640 told Jeff Shane what she heard about Jake Wagner and 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.000 Hannah's fraud relationship from Hannah's brother, Chris Junior. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:28.959 Chris would always come to school and talk to me 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.480 about it. What would he say, just that his sister 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.680 is in a shitty situation. He just treats her awfully 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.800 and she really can't do anything about it because she 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.920 has a kid with him. He was just saying that 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.440 it's a whole bunch of bs and that Jake would 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.560 just treat her like crap. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:49.360 Ele Like, what did you think about that? 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.160 At the time, that she needed to get out of 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.840 that relationship and not be associated with that family. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.840 At some point this same summer, Hannah falls for another 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.520 boy from piped in, Corey Holdron. According to our Wagner 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.920 family source, when Jake finds out he's. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.400 Crushed, he got extremely upset when he found out that 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.280 she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt. He 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.240 didn't understand, and every time that I got a chance 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.280 to talk to him, he would cry. He was like, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.839 you know, I don't understand why she's why she's been 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.640 this way, why she you know, won't give me from 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.920 the chance to explain myself, Like we could work on it, 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.280 and it would because Lucia, we would be good to Yeah, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.679 I mean, it was just always Yeah. He was very 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:41.319 very upset about that. So and after I think, after 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.680 after being upset and after that kind of war off, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.720 I think it did turn to anger. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.520 In August twenty fifteen, hannah summer ends with a big shock. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.600 She's pregnant. Unlike her first child, this one is unplanned, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.280 adding to the anxiety, she doesn't know who the father is. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:10.320 The potential fathers are Charlie Gilly, Corey Haldron, and Jake Wagner. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.640 For Jake, the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.280 I could just tell by talking to him that when 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.800 he did find out that Hannah was pregnant again that 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.080 it almost was like a sense of relief to him, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.240 kind of. I think he thought that was going to 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.760 bring him back together. He as Hannah and was willing 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.400 to bear, you know, for the birth. He was acting, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.840 you know, if she needed any help with anything with 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.600 the baby, like the child support, he was willing to 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.000 pay that He had gotten things for the baby at 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.240 one point on him and Angela had went and bought 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.360 a crib and just things like that for the child. Yeah, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.120 and this was before he had any idea if it 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.080 was even his or not. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.080 But behind the scenes, there are rumors that the once 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.840 amicable cope parenting situation between Hannah and Jake is beginning 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.160 to fall apart. According to Mike Gallon, attorney and legal 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.480 analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things soon reached a 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:10.880 boiling point. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.320 Two or three weeks prior to the murder, there's evidence 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.200 that Jake Wagner and his father tried to get Hannah 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.440 rode and to sign some documents that related to custody 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.880 of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.160 But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again, our Wagner 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.520 family member, there. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.760 Was a custody battle. It's basically would have been able 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.760 to do. There was a custody battle between you know, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.240 the the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see her 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.360 or any of the family to see her, and so 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.960 it kind of just it got out of hand at 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.640 that point. It just set him off to the point 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.280 where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.120 of times, I mean, and I had to a couple 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.440 of people about this. I mean, he had made the comments, 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:02.320 you know, that he were going to kill her, and 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.520 he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm going 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.720 to I'm going to ever chill you like, you're not 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.880 going You're not gonna let me see the baby, then 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.840 you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.360 you can't say those things. Please just chill out and 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.960 of course. You know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.400 my god, he's actually gonna consider that. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.560 Right, People say stuff like that all the time, right. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.200 It's right, like, especially when I'm upset as he was. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.200 I mean, he was just completely out of his mind. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:38.480 It really really upset him. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.480 On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst of the 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.600 couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a baby girl 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.040 named Kylie. On the birth certificate, she doesn't list anyone 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.120 as the father. Less than a week later, on April 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.120 twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her family are 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.840 found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life of baby 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.320 Kylie and her two cousin are spared. The brutal murderers 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.080 committed in front of these young children rattled everyone who 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.640 heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like then Attorney 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:10.960 General Mike DeWine. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.360 I guess the worst thing I've ever seen. And when 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.600 you see a mother, young mother just gave worth four 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.320 days before and she's murdered right beside her child. Thank 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.240 God they did not harm the baby. But you know, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:25.560 it doesn't get much worse than that. 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.359 Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to make sense 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:32.679 of the killer's intentions. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:38.080 There was a conscious choice to leave every single young 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:43.200 child alive who basically couldn't identify them successfully. I mean, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.560 that is probably the most. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.639 Shocking part of the whole ordeals, that there was a 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.320 conscious choice by these killers to spare the children, which 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.760 sort of displays the cold heartedness of decisions they were making. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.680 Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder, 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.280 it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.600 for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.120 seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.760 if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.320 sisters could spend time together. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.520 Yeah, the whole Wagner family was pretty vocal at that 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:26.119 time about their need to have custody of these kids. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:31.160 Angela Wagner told the press that Sophia and Kylie quote 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.840 unquote needed each other and that when they got older 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.400 enough to understand what happened to their mother, that they 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:37.640 will really need each other. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.440 Right and custody is something as complicated and it varies 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.440 state by state, So Stephanie, I know you dug into 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:46.640 this quite a bit. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.440 Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to a family law 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.280 attorney in Ohio and you know, yes, if you're an 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.040 unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you. The father 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.800 does not have any parental rights unless he goes to 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.240 court and files accordingly. To that point, these papers for 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.040 custody were filed exactly one week after the murders. That's 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.840 pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents together 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.120 in such a short amount of time. I know things 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.199 vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual to 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.520 have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports I've 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.720 indicated that that may mean that they had been going 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.680 through the process and that Jake and the Wagner family 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.280 were compiling documents in such prior to the murders. So 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.760 it is possible that because he didn't have any rights, 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.919 could that actually be reason enough to go through with 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.000 this crime. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.360 Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen. He's a former prosecutor 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.240 and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio, and 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.400 he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings look 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.159 from a legal perspective. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:59.240 That's extremely strong evidence for the prosecution. I mean six days, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.480 less than a week after the killings. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.440 To go ahead and file it can take. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.480 Months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.640 a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.040 at all, and I think that that is going to 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.439 be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:18.160 that quickly. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:24.480 After the murders, Jake seems determined to be a father 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.440 to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout Hannah's pregnancy 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.360 and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly says there's 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:35.600 a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's so confident 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.280 that shortly after Kylie is born he checks her for 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.360 a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade. 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.840 He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:52.520 be there, so it was a very emotional time for him. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.800 So he really wanted to be a part of Hannah's 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.680 life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:03.800 Absolutely, he was still willing, I guess, to help with 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.960 the child, help with you know, whatever Hannah would need. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.360 In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the Rodent murders, 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:17.000 Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holtron all take paternity tests. 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.400 It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.880 With baby Kylie going to her father, Charlie Gilly, three 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.320 year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused, 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:34.080 which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.240 In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.720 picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.720 Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:49.120 that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.080