1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the piked In Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 1: and Katie Studios, the bodies. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: Of seven adults and one sixteen year old boy were 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: found in. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: Four different locations along a country road in Pine County. 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: A small town nightmare comes to life in rural Ohio. 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: Eight members of the road and family gunned down in 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: cold blood in their sleep. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 4: Just a nightmare scenario. 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 5: All of them shot in the head execution style is 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 5: absolutely shocking. 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: The brutal murder spark a two and a half year 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: investigation comprising state, local, and federal authorities. Then Attorney General 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Mike DeWine comments on what ends in a stunning series 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: of arrests. 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 6: At the center of this case were members of the 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 6: Wagner family, whom we believe the avalanche will show conspired 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 6: together to kill these eight people. 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: It's a crime that shocks a once quiet community and 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: leaves a haunting legacy that may lie at its very heart. 21 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: There are survivors and they are very young. We're talking 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: three children. One is is four days old, a six 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: month old baby, and a three year old. And when 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: the reporters were asking were all of them asleep at 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: the time, they said no. 26 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: This is the piked In Massacre, Episode three, Hannah and Jake. 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Over the course of the first two episodes, we've covered 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the details of the Rodin murders and learned about the 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners. I'm Courtney Armstrong, 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: a producer at KATI Studios. With Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane, 31 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: we worked on a documentary about the Roden murders back 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie. 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 7: If we're going to talk about the road in deaths, 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 7: then we also need to talk about their lives. So 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 7: often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 7: about their murders and so little about who they were prior. 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 7: I all accounts, the Roden family was a very happy, 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 7: close knit family. In fact, they lived just miles from 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 7: one another. 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 5: They were close enough that they all lived on the 41 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 5: same road, which speaks to just how tight knit they were. 42 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 5: And you know, this family went back generations in Pike County. 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 5: Everyone we talked to you pretty much said the same 44 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 5: thing about them. They were all very hard working, very kind, 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 5: and very generous. And we probably heard this the most 46 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 5: about the matrix of the family Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin. 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Here's one of Dana's oldest friends, Becky Ryder. 48 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: She is a very nice person, just a great mother 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: and a great your wife to her husband. 50 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, she's just so wrong, a good person. 51 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: As we listened to Becky described Dana Roadin, we began 52 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: to see a vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend, 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: a caring nurse at a nearby assisted living facility, and 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: a surrogate mother to some of the local kids. Brittany 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: was one of them, a lifelong friend of Dana's son, 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: Chris Junior. She reminisced about Dana with Stephanie. 57 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: She had shorter brown hair. She always had the like 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: curly and sometimes she was put like purple streaks in 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: her hair, blonde streaks like I don't know. She liked 60 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: that kind of weird stuff slumps in here like. I 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: always looked at her, like, what are you doing to 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: your hair? See now I do that to my hair. 63 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 9: She would be very proud of you, Yes she would. 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: She'd laugh at me. 65 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 7: And Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids. 66 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 7: She would kind of be the mama bear. 67 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, one time we were all riding and I wasn't 68 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: on the four wheeler with Chris. Well, we were all 69 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: riding in I actually got in a wreck because the 70 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: four wheeler, like I don't know what happened to it, 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 3: Like it just completely messed up and we flipped down 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: the hill and Chris went and got his mom, and 73 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: his mom like came up in the woods. It was 74 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: like freaking out, and then she took care of me, 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: gave me some eyes, she gave me some water, you know, 76 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: being that whole. 77 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: Mom like are you okay? 78 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 10: Are you okay? 79 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: Do I need to call the ambulance? So that was 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: always a good thing. 81 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: Dana met her husband, Chris Rhoden Senior, when she was 82 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: in high school, and they fell in love immediately a 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: few years later they got married. Here again, as Becky 84 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane, she remembered meeting Dana 85 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: as a young wife who had found the man of 86 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: for dreams. 87 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 6: Well, I met danae her and Chris was already married. 88 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 5: So they got married in high school. 89 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 11: Then, Yeah, she got married really young. 90 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 5: Was that uncommon? 91 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 3: Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew that's the 92 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: man that she loved, and she knew she wanted to 93 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: be with him forever. 94 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: Stephane likns knew Chris Senior as a devoted family man 95 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: and a skilled craftsman. She spoke to our producer Jeff 96 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: about him. 97 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 12: I tell you, if you could see some of the stuff, 98 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 12: some of the things that he built, like the decks. 99 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 12: He was an amazing carpenter. He built this one that 100 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 12: had all kinds of intricate you know, he designed them, 101 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 12: you know, just his imagination. You know he could if 102 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 12: you know, if they said money's no object, you would 103 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 12: be a at you know, the things that he could do. 104 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: Together. Dana and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah, 105 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: and Chris Junior, but after more than twenty years of marriage, 106 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: the relationship began to fall apart. Dana and Christina got divorced, 107 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: but they continued to live on the same property, working 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: together to take care of the children. 109 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 6: They still had each other's back no matter what. Everything 110 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 6: was always for the kids. 111 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior and Dana's 112 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: only daughter. 113 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: She was great, She was funny, She was really funny. 114 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: She was really really nice. She knew everyone, Everyone knew her, 115 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 3: and she just like talked to everyone, but she wasn't 116 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: stuck up or anything like that, and she lived life 117 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: to the fullest. 118 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: But after her murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear 119 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: that Hannah's life and the events leading up to her 120 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: death were much more complicated than anyone I piked in 121 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: could have known. All of this starts six years earlier, 122 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen, 123 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: and she starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner. 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: At the time, Jake was just shy of eighteen. The 125 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: relationship moves quickly. Three years later, Hannah and Jake begin 126 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: planning to start a family, and in November twenty thirteen, 127 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Hannah gives birth to their baby girl, Sophia. 128 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: She was a great mom like sometimes she would bring 129 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: her her baby to school like the She would always 130 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: come into minding Chris's class because we had American Government together, 131 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: and she would always bring the baby in there and 132 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: let our teacher, mister Krino, see the baby. 133 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: We talked to a relative of the Wagner family. She 134 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: asked us not to use her name, but shared her 135 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: thoughts on what Jake was like as a father to Sophia. 136 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 9: Jake was always very i mean hand on, like he 137 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 9: would always be playing like, hey be outside baby, you know, 138 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 9: non stop hand and he always kind of make sure 139 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 9: that she, you know, had what she needed. Just very 140 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 9: active with her and very protective of her. It seems like, 141 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 9: you know, the second that like if anything bad were 142 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 9: to happen, I guess he was on it. Like he 143 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 9: was there for her. He was ready to do whatever 144 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 9: needed to be done in order to make sure that 145 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 9: she was okay. 146 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: Well. Raising a family is difficult for the young couple, 147 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake 148 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner. 149 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: The couple in Sophia split time between the Rodent and 150 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario. 151 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's 152 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: excited to be spending time with the newest addition to 153 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: her family. 154 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 9: Her great children. They absolutely adored her. They left her. 155 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 9: They always wanted to, you know, go with her, and 156 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 9: she would go out of her way to make sure 157 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 9: that they were taking care of or, you know, on 158 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 9: the holidays that they thought you know anything that cod 159 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 9: you think she could give them and everything like that. 160 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: Dana Rohden's friend Stefanne told our producer Jeff that Dana 161 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: was just as elated. 162 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 5: Was she excited to be a grandmother again? 163 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 12: Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives. 164 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for 165 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and 166 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: even had rings tattooed on their fingers. 167 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 7: Throughout that time, Hannah became very close with the Wagner family, 168 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 7: so much so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells 169 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 7: the press that Hannah was like a daughter to her 170 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 7: and her entire family. So if that's the case, what 171 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 7: could possibly have gone wrong? 172 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 5: We have a little bit of insight into that thanks 173 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 5: to a signed affid David that Jake Wagner submitted, And 174 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: this is just from his perspective, but what he claims 175 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 5: is that he and Hannah split in April twenty fifteen, 176 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 5: which is a year before the murders. He claims that 177 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 5: Hannah actually was the one to break up with him 178 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: because she thought he was working too much, and his 179 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 5: perspective was that he wanted to stay at home wife 180 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 5: and a full time mother to Sophia, which Hannah was 181 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 5: just not ready to do. 182 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 7: Which, again, that is his account. We don't have the 183 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 7: benefit of having Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's 184 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 7: account either. We spoke with an anonymous Wagner family source 185 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 7: and they say that Jake just really wasn't ready to 186 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 7: throw in the towel on the relationship period. 187 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 9: He was trying very hard to make sure that they 188 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 9: got back together. He still wanted to be with her. 189 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 9: He was trying to get back with her, just everything 190 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 9: that he could. 191 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 7: It's really hard to know what goes on in a 192 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 7: relationship behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt 193 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 7: as though she was being controlled by Jake or that 194 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 7: she was in over her head and couldn't get out 195 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 7: of the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 7: heart was really the reason that his entire family allegedly 197 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 7: killed her entire family. 198 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, again, going back to kind of figuring out like 199 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: the timeline and what might have happened, We're able to 200 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: kind of piece some of it together through social media. 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 5: We found a post from July of twenty fifteen where 202 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 5: she made a rather cryptic entry on Facebook, posting lyrics 203 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 5: to a song about domestic abuse, and the lyrics read, 204 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 5: he slowly isolates her from all of her friends. She 205 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 5: works really hard, but he takes all of it. She 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 5: ended the post with her own words, saying, en domestic violence, 207 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 5: live a happier life. 208 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: It is important to note that we don't know for 209 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: an absolute fact that these posts were about Jake. The 210 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: timeline certainly matches up, but if they were all about Jake, 211 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: it raises a number of questions. Was Jake Wagner a 212 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: controlling and abusive partner. Though we can't be sure about 213 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: what went on behind the scenes of Jake and Hannah's relationship, 214 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: we do know one thing. Hannah was eighteen years old 215 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: when she posted message, and she would be dead within 216 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: a year. We're going to take a quick break here. 217 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. Let's go back to 218 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: that summer of twenty fifteen. Just after Hannah and Jake 219 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: broke up. That May, she starts dating a guy named 220 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Gilly. Charlie is her brother, Frankie's best friend and 221 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly. Here's journalist Jeff Winkler, 222 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: there was. 223 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 13: This period after Hannah May had broken things off with 224 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 13: Jake Wagner that when she got with Charlie, it was 225 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 13: sort of by what you would hope for, you know, 226 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 13: everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly, who you know, by 227 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 13: all accounts was very caring, very loving, very much liked 228 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 13: by the family. 229 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Charlie is proud of his relationship with Hannah. He often 230 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: posts photos of he and Hannah kissing and proclaims his 231 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: love for her online. However, as fast as things heat up, 232 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: they fizzle out just as quickly, and by the end 233 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: of July twenty fifteen, the couple breaks up. Now, according 234 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: to that same Fit David that Jake Wagner signed, he 235 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: and Hannah continue a physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany 236 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: told Jeff Shane what she heard about Jake Wagner and 237 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: Hannah's fraud relationship from Hannah's brother, Chris Junior. 238 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: Chris would always come to school and talk to me 239 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: about it. What would he say, just that his sister 240 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 3: is in a shitty situation. He just treats her awfully 241 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: and she really can't do anything about it because she 242 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: has a kid with him. He was just saying that 243 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: it's a whole bunch of bs and that Jake would 244 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: just treat her like crap. 245 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 5: Ele Like, what did you think about that? 246 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: At the time, that she needed to get out of 247 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: that relationship and not be associated with that family. 248 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: At some point this same summer, Hannah falls for another 249 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: boy from piped in, Corey Holdron. According to our Wagner 250 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: family source, when Jake finds out he's. 251 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 9: Crushed, he got extremely upset when he found out that 252 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 9: she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt. He 253 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 9: didn't understand, and every time that I got a chance 254 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 9: to talk to him, he would cry. He was like, 255 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 9: you know, I don't understand why she's why she's been 256 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 9: this way, why she you know, won't give me from 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 9: the chance to explain myself, Like we could work on it, 258 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 9: and it would because Lucia, we would be good to Yeah, 259 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 9: I mean, it was just always Yeah. He was very 260 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 9: very upset about that. So and after I think, after 261 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 9: after being upset and after that kind of war off, 262 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 9: I think it did turn to anger. 263 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: In August twenty fifteen, hannah summer ends with a big shock. 264 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: She's pregnant. Unlike her first child, this one is unplanned, 265 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: adding to the anxiety, she doesn't know who the father is. 266 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: The potential fathers are Charlie Gilly, Corey Haldron, and Jake Wagner. 267 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: For Jake, the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope. 268 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 9: I could just tell by talking to him that when 269 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 9: he did find out that Hannah was pregnant again that 270 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 9: it almost was like a sense of relief to him, 271 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 9: kind of. I think he thought that was going to 272 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 9: bring him back together. He as Hannah and was willing 273 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 9: to bear, you know, for the birth. He was acting, 274 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 9: you know, if she needed any help with anything with 275 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 9: the baby, like the child support, he was willing to 276 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 9: pay that He had gotten things for the baby at 277 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 9: one point on him and Angela had went and bought 278 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 9: a crib and just things like that for the child. Yeah, 279 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 9: and this was before he had any idea if it 280 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 9: was even his or not. 281 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: But behind the scenes, there are rumors that the once 282 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: amicable cope parenting situation between Hannah and Jake is beginning 283 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: to fall apart. According to Mike Gallon, attorney and legal 284 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things soon reached a 285 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: boiling point. 286 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 14: Two or three weeks prior to the murder, there's evidence 287 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 14: that Jake Wagner and his father tried to get Hannah 288 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 14: rode and to sign some documents that related to custody 289 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 14: of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner. 290 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again, our Wagner 291 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: family member, there. 292 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 9: Was a custody battle. It's basically would have been able 293 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 9: to do. There was a custody battle between you know, 294 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 9: the the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see her 295 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 9: or any of the family to see her, and so 296 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 9: it kind of just it got out of hand at 297 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 9: that point. It just set him off to the point 298 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 9: where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple 299 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 9: of times, I mean, and I had to a couple 300 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 9: of people about this. I mean, he had made the comments, 301 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 9: you know, that he were going to kill her, and 302 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 9: he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm going 303 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 9: to I'm going to ever chill you like, you're not 304 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 9: going You're not gonna let me see the baby, then 305 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 9: you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake, 306 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 9: you can't say those things. Please just chill out and 307 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 9: of course. You know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh 308 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 9: my god, he's actually gonna consider that. 309 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 5: Right, People say stuff like that all the time, right. 310 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 9: It's right, like, especially when I'm upset as he was. 311 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 9: I mean, he was just completely out of his mind. 312 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 9: It really really upset him. 313 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst of the 314 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a baby girl 315 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: named Kylie. On the birth certificate, she doesn't list anyone 316 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: as the father. Less than a week later, on April 317 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her family are 318 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life of baby 319 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: Kylie and her two cousin are spared. The brutal murderers 320 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: committed in front of these young children rattled everyone who 321 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like then Attorney 322 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: General Mike DeWine. 323 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 8: I guess the worst thing I've ever seen. And when 324 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 8: you see a mother, young mother just gave worth four 325 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 8: days before and she's murdered right beside her child. Thank 326 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 8: God they did not harm the baby. But you know, 327 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 8: it doesn't get much worse than that. 328 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to make sense 329 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: of the killer's intentions. 330 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 6: There was a conscious choice to leave every single young 331 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 6: child alive who basically couldn't identify them successfully. I mean, 332 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 6: that is probably the most. 333 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 15: Shocking part of the whole ordeals, that there was a 334 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 15: conscious choice by these killers to spare the children, which 335 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 15: sort of displays the cold heartedness of decisions they were making. 336 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder, 337 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files 338 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He 339 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even 340 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the 341 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: sisters could spend time together. 342 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole Wagner family was pretty vocal at that 343 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 5: time about their need to have custody of these kids. 344 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 5: Angela Wagner told the press that Sophia and Kylie quote 345 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: unquote needed each other and that when they got older 346 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 5: enough to understand what happened to their mother, that they 347 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 5: will really need each other. 348 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: Right and custody is something as complicated and it varies 349 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: state by state, So Stephanie, I know you dug into 350 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: this quite a bit. 351 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to a family law 352 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 7: attorney in Ohio and you know, yes, if you're an 353 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 7: unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you. The father 354 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 7: does not have any parental rights unless he goes to 355 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 7: court and files accordingly. To that point, these papers for 356 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 7: custody were filed exactly one week after the murders. That's 357 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 7: pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents together 358 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 7: in such a short amount of time. I know things 359 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 7: vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual to 360 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 7: have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports I've 361 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 7: indicated that that may mean that they had been going 362 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 7: through the process and that Jake and the Wagner family 363 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 7: were compiling documents in such prior to the murders. So 364 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 7: it is possible that because he didn't have any rights, 365 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 7: could that actually be reason enough to go through with 366 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 7: this crime. 367 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen. He's a former prosecutor 368 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio, and 369 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings look 370 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: from a legal perspective. 371 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 10: That's extremely strong evidence for the prosecution. I mean six days, 372 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 10: less than a week after the killings. 373 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 14: To go ahead and file it can take. 374 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 10: Months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more, 375 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 10: a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly 376 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 10: at all, and I think that that is going to 377 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 10: be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it 378 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 10: that quickly. 379 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: After the murders, Jake seems determined to be a father 380 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout Hannah's pregnancy 381 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly says there's 382 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's so confident 383 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: that shortly after Kylie is born he checks her for 384 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade. 385 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 9: He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to 386 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 9: be there, so it was a very emotional time for him. 387 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 5: So he really wanted to be a part of Hannah's 388 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 5: life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life. 389 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 9: Absolutely, he was still willing, I guess, to help with 390 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 9: the child, help with you know, whatever Hannah would need. 391 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the Rodent murders, 392 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holtron all take paternity tests. 393 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father. 394 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 7: With baby Kylie going to her father, Charlie Gilly, three 395 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 7: year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused, 396 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 7: which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events. 397 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 7: In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly 398 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 7: picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result, 399 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 7: Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was 400 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 7: that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does 401 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 7: that actually point to a larger plot? 402 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: Well, for example, if the Wagners indeed are the killers, 403 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: then on the very day Hannah and the rest of 404 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: the Rodents that they were celebrating the expected birth of 405 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: Kylie with the baby shower, the Wagoners were out shopping 406 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: at Walmart for items that the prosecutor plans to introduce 407 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: his evidence at their trial. 408 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 7: Right, That's an important trip to Walmart that becomes a 409 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 7: big piece of this case. We've seen those photographs too, 410 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 7: from the baby shower and everybody looks so happy. You know, 411 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 7: it's really staggering. Let's just say that Jake's dream was 412 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 7: to be a family again with Hannah. He was in 413 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 7: love with her. He wanted to keep his family together. 414 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 7: Why kill her and guarantee that you're traumatizing your child? 415 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 7: It doesn't really totally make sense. 416 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: Journalists Jodi Barr analyze the potential motive. 417 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 11: The older these kids get, the more they're going to 418 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 11: look like their moms and dads who are murdered. And 419 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 11: you want that connection, and these families are fighting over 420 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 11: that through the court system. And now on the back 421 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 11: end of this, you learned that Wait a minute, if 422 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 11: everything is true that these investigators have a ledge in 423 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 11: these charging documents, man, this goes much deeper, you know, 424 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 11: as far as the custody is involved here, if that 425 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 11: is truly what happened. But this is a case. I mean, 426 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 11: we're four years removed from this now. I think about 427 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 11: this every day in some respect. I mean, if it's 428 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 11: you know, you wonder about those kids, you know how 429 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 11: they're doing now? Is it gotten any easier to accept this? 430 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 11: Are those kids do they remember any part of this? 431 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 5: It's a whole I mean it's generations of a family 432 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 5: wiped out. 433 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, then you think about, you know, in the back 434 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 11: end of this, I mean, those kids had to go somewhere. 435 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 11: What do you do with those children? What are they 436 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 11: telling them? You know, it's just like when you when 437 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 11: you think about the human end of this outside of 438 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 11: the investigation, Man, this family, These are going to be 439 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 11: hard conversations that they have with these children. Could you 440 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 11: imagine explaining this to a kid when they ask where 441 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 11: their mom and dad are or tell me about my 442 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 11: mom and dad. And I mean they're going to get 443 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 11: on the internet one day, they're going to google it. 444 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 12: I mean, you google Rodent. 445 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 11: The worst news possible that any human could ever have 446 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 11: is going to come up, and you know, how do 447 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 11: you prepare them for that? This is a you know, 448 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 11: whatever happened that morning on Union Hill Road, you know 449 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 11: it impacted a lot more than just those eight people 450 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 11: who are killed. I mean, you've got their family members 451 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 11: and you've got people in that area are going to 452 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 11: remember this forever. This is never going away. 453 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back 454 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: in a moment. The legacy still lingers on with Dana's 455 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: friend Stephane quite ashamed. 456 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 12: You know that paina may you know, just just had 457 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 12: that baby and they you know, it's oh, it makes 458 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 12: me sick. 459 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 5: It's really unimaginable. 460 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 8: Yes, it is. 461 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 12: You know, no one deserves, no one deserves to die 462 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 12: the way that they did. And it breaks my heart. 463 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 12: It breaks my heart that they and I'll never see 464 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 12: her kids, you know, grow up to go to school, 465 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 12: get married, have their own children. 466 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's okay, it's okay to be emotional about it. 467 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 5: I mean, it is emotional. It's horrible. 468 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Yes, it is. 469 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 5: On the one hand, you've heard I'm sure you've heard. 470 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: I've heard that like whoever did this, you know, had 471 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 5: like some sort of moral code that they wouldn't hurt 472 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 5: the children and they wouldn't you know, harm the kids. 473 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 5: But then on the other hand, it's like, but they 474 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 5: left all these kids without a family, and so like 475 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: that's almost worse in a way. 476 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 12: Yes, And I feel so sorry for the children. You 477 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 12: know that they will never get to know their parents, 478 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 12: you know, will never grow they'll grow up without their parents. 479 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: We know that the Wagoners are in prison awaiting trial 480 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: for these murders, but also that they've pled not guilty 481 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: to all charges. It's also important to remember that they 482 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: are innocent until proven guilty. So if somebody else other 483 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: than the Wagoners committed this crime, who was it and why. 484 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: During the ensuing investigation, information started to emerge that perhaps 485 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: there were several other theories that needed to be considered closely. 486 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: Here's reporter James Pilcher, who followed the story closely for years. 487 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 4: On the surface, the Rodents appeared to be the salt 488 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 4: of the earth, all American, very close knit family, and 489 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 4: there were other things that led you to believe that 490 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 4: all was now as it seemed. There had been reports 491 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 4: of scuffles with other people in public, there had been 492 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: reports of run ins with law enforcement, and. 493 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't long before authorities made a shocking discovery that 494 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: turned the case on its head. Here's the Attorney General, 495 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Mike DeWine at a news conference a few days after 496 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: the murders took place. 497 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 8: Let me go ahead, and I think it's okay for 498 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 8: us to confirm that we did find marijuana in three 499 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 8: three locations. 500 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 6: There's a grow operations. 501 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 4: Later, it was discovered that the Rodents had a pretty 502 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 4: sizeable crop of marijuana plants on their property. You know, 503 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: there were indications that they were involved in some drug deals, 504 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: in drug trade with marijuana. That obviously fueled even more 505 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: speculation that these were outside operators. Possibly was as a 506 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: drug deal gone bad, or was somebody trying to take 507 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: over their turf. All kinds of rumors started flow after 508 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: that disclosure. 509 00:27:54,560 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: More on that next week. Picked In Massacre there is 510 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: executive produced by Stephanie Leidecker and me Courtney Armstrong, editing 511 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: and sound design by executive producer Jared Aston, Additional producing 512 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: by Jeff Shane and Andrew Becker. The piked in Massacre 513 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartRadio and Kati Studios. 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