1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: It's the NFL Report Week five edition. I am Steve 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: White with my guy James Palmer. I am back in 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: the saddle. Much props Jamie to our girl Jane Slater 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: who sat in for me. Yeah, last Thursday, why I 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: had to handle some family business and jaype before we 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: take a. 7 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: Deep dive into the NFL. 8 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this man, because this weekend it 9 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: happened to me again. Me and my wife, our son, grandson, 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, her parents and everything. We went to a 11 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: restaurant here in La and they still give for our 12 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: table to size. It's gonna take ninety minutes to get ready. 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: And my wife says, look, every time they tell you this, 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: this long ninety minutes whatever. Anytime they give you a time, 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: it's always half. It's never that long. They just give 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: you this big window. And so we hang out and 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: sure enough and like thirty minutes, Hey, your table's ready. 18 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Do you find it more to be like that or 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: do you find it more to go like over? 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: If they say twenty minutes you have to wait thirty Well, Steve, 21 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't spend much time at the Olive Garden, but 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: oh okay, they give you that little buzzer. 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: Is that what you get? Is that what you we're 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: getting with? 25 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm down with the Olive Garden. 26 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I do. I love the Olive card. 27 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 28 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: It's always it's they give you that hot number and 29 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 4: then they always know something's going to happen, and you 30 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 4: know you roll in. 31 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: You know what happened to me? 32 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: Go out? 33 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: This is a card? Who do you think sent this card? 34 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: That's that's that's very that's I can only guess where 35 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: that came from. 36 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: It came from one Scott Hansen. And of course you 37 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 4: got city handsome mister Palmer. Been counting money your whole life, 38 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 4: Scott Hansen. We have a mutual admiration for Jaws. That 39 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 4: is through the roof. You have Baldi on the show 40 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 4: on Thursday that it's his favorite film. Scott Hansen has 41 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 4: sent me an autographed styrofoam cup by Richard Dreyfus. 42 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: That is so I mean, can you believe that? 43 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: How did how didn't how did the cup mashed up 44 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: in the packaging? Though? 45 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: Like? 46 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: How did it not get crushed? 47 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: The box? 48 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: The box that he sent was so big and I 49 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: just heard this little thing rattling around inside of it 50 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 4: and it said fragile Scott. 51 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: Really went to the Nines for this. This is going 52 00:01:59,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: to go up here. 53 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have this up here all the time, right 54 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: in front of Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, that's money, Steve, that's money. 55 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 4: You know who else is money? The San Francisco forty 56 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 4: nine Ers, Oh yeah, who absolutely dismantled the Dallas Cowboys 57 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 4: thanks to a dominant defense and an offense run. 58 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: By Bot Party. Robot bot Perty. Here's George Cole. 59 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 5: Like I said, Brock's pocket awareness and being able to 60 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 5: move and keep his seat in position so he can. 61 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: Make all those throws. 62 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: He's like, he's a robot man. 63 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: He's just very special. 64 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he say show yeah right, no, No, 65 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: this is the Brock Party show right here. 66 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you see. 67 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: The NFL report? As you know, we are the leaders 68 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: of the Brock Party fan club. We gotta were gonna 69 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: get him the MVP conversation. 70 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: And it's you know, and by the way, my favorite 71 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: movie is Usual Suspects, one of the best ensemble cast, 72 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers are showing us they're the 73 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: Usual Suspects again in terms of victimizing the Dallas Cowboys. 74 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this was by far the biggest annihilation that 75 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: we've seen in them in the last couple of meetings. 76 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: And let's go to brock Purty because Kyle Shanahan was 77 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: also in his bag. We've been talking along about how 78 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: brock Purty's on schedule. He finds the open receiver and 79 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: you're seeing right there, a touchdown pass to George Kittle. 80 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: Oh, another touchdown pass to George Kittle. 81 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: And here he's going deep downfield the Brandon Ayyuk as 82 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: we've been documenting on the show over and over ever 83 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: since brock Purty has taken over those two receivers, Oh, 84 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: another touchdown to George Kittle. Kittle and Ayuk have been 85 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: the biggest benefactors of brock Purty taking over. But Kyle Shanahan, 86 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: when I said, when he was in his bag, he 87 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: was using the Cowboys defensive aggressiveness against them. He would 88 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: roll perty out or do certain things to get their 89 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: dbs peeping in the backfield and bang the receiver slipped 90 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: behind him, or a force a defender on a touchdown 91 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: to Kyle uscheck an edge defender and a perimeter guy 92 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: on the second or third level come up to try 93 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: to get the Purty before he rolls into the end zone, 94 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: dumps it off to us check the fact that Purty 95 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: playing this well, James, I mean, I just want to 96 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: put it to you like this. For all these people 97 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: who say brock Purty is the system guy. 98 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Did Jimmy Garoppolo, who I love dearly. I love that. 99 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Man because he's just a great, huge helthy did he 100 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: ever look this good in the system? Did Trey Lance 101 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: ever look this good in the system? 102 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: Like? 103 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: Name me a quarterback under Kyle Shanahan not named Matt Ryan, 104 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: who has looked this good in this system? Brock Purty 105 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: is playing lights out. No more discussion, and I think 106 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: everyone talking about all the great tools he has to 107 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: play with. Of course has to start giving him his 108 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: proper credit. 109 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: JP. 110 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: They have to. 111 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: And what stood out to me really in this game, 112 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: Steve is right. This defense, this dan Quinn defense, was 113 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: the first one to face brock Purty last year. Have 114 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: an offseason to prepare for him operating this Kyle Shanahan offense, 115 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: and then play him again this season. That's a lot 116 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: of film, that's a lot of time to know how 117 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: brock Purty operates. 118 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: I think it happened in reverse. 119 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: Rock Purty, to my understanding, watched this film at nauseum 120 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: about the way he played in that playoff win. Didn't 121 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 4: play great, but they won against the Cowboys in January. 122 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 4: He studied this film endlessly and what did we see. 123 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 4: We saw him get better as the game went on. 124 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: I mean, this guy goes out though seventeen of twenty four. 125 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: The last two games, he's thirty seven of forty five, 126 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: So now that is just remarkable. Over the last two games, 127 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: the ball is out quicker, he's more aggressive downfield. To me, 128 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 4: those two things together show me that he is more comfortable, 129 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: more confident, He's seeing things quicker within the operation of 130 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: this offense. You have never to circle this back. You 131 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 4: have never heard Kyle Shanahan say about one of his quarterbacks. 132 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: I had to stop myself from calling too many passes. 133 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: He said that postgame, because that's the rhythm that he 134 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 4: saw brock Perdy in throughout the course of this game. 135 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: That he had to stop himself and wanted to run it. 136 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: And that leads me to this last point, which is 137 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: I said on Thursday when Jane was on here, I said, 138 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: they need to run the football. They did to Negate 139 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 4: the pass rush in that playoff game. They ran it 140 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: forty one times in this game for one hundred and 141 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 4: seventy yards. A tremendous effort of running the football with 142 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 4: brock Perty also operating at an unbelievable level in this offense. 143 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: And JP, we would be remiss if we did not 144 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: mention how dominant this forty nine Ers defense was. 145 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: Was it four sacks, three takeaways? 146 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I've got it wrong, but they just overwhelmed the Cowboys. 147 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: You think they they were sick of hearing about the 148 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys defense, the Cowboys defense. 149 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 2: Which we on the show here on the NFL Report 150 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: have been digging up for weeks. 151 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: They're a little tired of hearing that, and they went 152 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: out and showed who the big boss was. Remember, the 153 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys came into this game treating it as if it 154 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: was their super Bowl. They left this game realizing they 155 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: aren't good enough to get to the super Bowl because 156 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl at this point is going through Levi's 157 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: through the NSC. However, JP, I was at a game 158 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: watching the other unbeaten team in the NFL, and the 159 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles beat the Los Angeles Rams Sunday, and I 160 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: gotta tell you. We can sit here and talk about 161 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: they're a weird five, and oh they're not a dominant five, 162 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: and oh no, they don't look like they're rocking the 163 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: way the forty nine ers are in terms are just 164 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: absolutely functioning at a high level in every aspect. But 165 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: they know that the fact that they're five and oh 166 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: and they beat a very good LA Rams team the 167 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: way they did. Jalen Hurts was absolutely fantastic. AJ Brown 168 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: went over one hundred yards again. Dallas Goddard was fantastic, 169 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: and that defense was really really good. I mean, they 170 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: shut down a potentially strong Rams offense in the second 171 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: half of that game. But I talked to center Jason 172 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: Kelsey and he was saying that once they get their 173 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: red zone issues together, that's when they know they're going 174 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: to be rolling. They understand that they are not great 175 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: in the red zone right now. They're good in goal 176 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: to go, right, they're good with the brotherly shove the 177 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: goal to go, but they're two to six from the 178 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: red zone. Their field goal kicker Jake Elliott fifty nine points, 179 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: three short of what the New York Giants have scored 180 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: all season, by the way, but Jason Kelsey had to say, look, 181 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: we love. 182 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Jake, but we don't want him to have that many points. 183 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: We're close to breaking what defense is doing in the 184 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: red zone. We're gonna keep scoring JP. 185 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 186 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: What stands out to me the most about these red 187 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: zone issues is this is the same personnel they had 188 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: almost man for man from a season ago, and they 189 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: were third in the NFL in red zone efficiency last year. 190 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 4: They are twenty seventh right now. What is the one 191 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: thing that has changed? And this isn't a knock to 192 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: offensive coordinator Brian Johnson, but it's they've changed play callers. 193 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: Go look in what Shane stiking because I did it. 194 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: Steve had done with this Colt's red zone offense this 195 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 4: upcoming season, this season that they're in right now, as 196 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: opposed to last year, he's put them in the middle 197 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: of the pack and they were one of the worst 198 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: in football a season ago. You put those two things together, 199 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: I think that the Chane stiiten's pretty good in this 200 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: red zone now. I think you're right. I think the 201 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: Eagles can figure it out. Like I mentioned, they have 202 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 4: the personnel to do it. They're still trying to find 203 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 4: certain ways that they click with Brian Johnson running this offense. 204 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 4: But what have we seen over the last couple of weeks. Oh, 205 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: they weren't explosive. It started to get pretty explosive, aren't they. 206 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 4: Oh this wasn't happening. But that start things are coming 207 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: along within this offense. So I think the red zone 208 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: issues that they're having are certainly going to come along. 209 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: What I also loved from this game the game plan 210 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: for Aaron Donald. 211 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, break. 212 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: That down, Steve. 213 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: This game plan from Jeff Stoutlin, the offensive line and 214 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 4: run game coordinator from the Philadelphia Eagles. 215 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 216 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Look, we know every team is going to double and 217 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: triple Aaron Donald, but what they did was so different 218 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: from anything I've seen. And Jason Kelsey told me it 219 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: was a unique game plan, something they put in this week, 220 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: something they've never done with another player. 221 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: So wherever Donald was. 222 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: Remember they moved Donald all the way from nose tackle 223 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: out to a wide nine. They had a double plan 224 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: for for him, and it was usually Kelsey would have 225 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: to go to wherever he was and they would form 226 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: the initial blocker, be it Lane Johnson, be it Jordan 227 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: a Lot and whomever would engage him, and then Kelsey 228 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: would come and wall him off like an l I've 229 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: never seen anything like it, and it goes to show 230 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: you like how athletic Kelsey is to get there and 231 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: how strong an athletic he is to hold up that angle. 232 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean they were able to kind of pingpong him 233 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: like this. 234 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: As I've mentioned before, JP, there are no princes there 235 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: to become kings with the attention Aaron Donald. 236 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Gets to eat with the open holes that he. 237 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: Leaves them to get to the quarterback in this case 238 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, who was just spectacular on Sunday. 239 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: He was unreal. 240 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: I love how aggressive Nick Sirian he always is. Thirty 241 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: two seconds to go in the half. No, we're not 242 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 4: gonna kneel, We're not even gonna try to get a field, 243 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 4: but we're gonna go all the way down the field 244 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 4: with no time on the on the clock. Get that 245 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: brotherly shove as he calls it, the play that nobody likes, 246 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 4: and they score right before the half. 247 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: Just love that Nick. 248 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 4: Aggressiveness comes through all the time throughout games. Now, Steve, 249 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: the game I was at was the Nathaniel Hackett Bowl 250 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 4: here in Denver. Jets and Broncos. Now, this game definitely 251 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: lost some of its luster with the guy that stirred 252 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: the pot. 253 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about Sean Payton. 254 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: I think the other guy that stirs the pot and 255 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 4: would have probably brought things back up this week, Aaron Rodgers. 256 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 4: He would have said something at the podium this week 257 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: about those comments that Sean Payton had this offseason about 258 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 4: Nathaniel Hackett's coaching job the worst he's ever seen. It 259 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: was kind of subdued pregame except for one player. Cj Uzama, 260 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: the tight end for the Jets, got his group of 261 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: tight ends around him on the quarter of the end 262 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 4: zone there when they stepped out of their tunnel and 263 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: said him f them. He took those comments personally. He 264 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 4: told me in the locker room afterwards that they kind of, 265 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 4: you know, downplayed it all week long and then they 266 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: kind of just exploded in this game about how they 267 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 4: wanted to go out and win this game for Nathaniel Hackett, 268 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 4: which stood out to. 269 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: Me in the locker room post game. We'll get to 270 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: on the field. 271 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: In the locker room post game, there were a lot 272 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 4: of choice words for Sean Payton being yelled from the 273 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: showers from the training room from the other side of 274 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: the locker room. It was f Sean Payton just screaming 275 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: it to each other in that Jets locker room. 276 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: It was it was a scene in there. It was 277 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: a scene in there. 278 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: And it's interesting because Sean Payton, Steve put this bullseye 279 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 4: on his own back, all by himself. 280 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: Although he didn't put it on his back. 281 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: And this is where coaches had to be careful with 282 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: some of the comments he make. They're not on the 283 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: field playing. It was the players who have to go 284 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: out next. He put the pressure on them. But at 285 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: the same time, the Broncos players didn't deliver. This is 286 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: the New York Jets team that most of the NFL 287 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: has been beaten up on, and they went out there 288 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: and they took a ten point l They did. 289 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: Not play well. 290 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: People can talk about Russell Wilson playing great. I don't 291 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: think he played well. That defense continues to be a mess. 292 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: You know. Sean Payton said they our gap control was 293 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: bad this and that that's a fixable thing. 294 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: But I want to move forward right now because to me, 295 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the Broncos are broken and they might not win for 296 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: another two months. 297 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: Hear me out here. 298 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: Look at their schedule coming up Kansas City, Green Bay, 299 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: the Chiefs again, Buffalo, Minnesota, Cleveland, Houston, the Chargers, Detroit. 300 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: They're looking at maybe, oh say, post Thanksgiving for dub Now, 301 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: they may slide in their law of averages. 302 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: They may play a game the other team takes them 303 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: lightly because they're losing. 304 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: But Jamee, my question to you, because you're around this 305 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: team a lot, you live there, this to me looks 306 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: like it has got to be a significant gutting at 307 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: some point, whether the trade deadline or after the season. 308 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: And we know that one person who's not going anywhere 309 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: Sean Payton because the big deal they gave their head coach. 310 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. 311 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: And the two biggest things that I was told during 312 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 4: this game, before after anyway, all my time at Mile 313 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: High was this stief from the Jets locker room. 314 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: They told me that as a team that. 315 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: Is lacking any sort of inspiration, lacking any sort of initiative, 316 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 4: when you get them down, you can tell that they're down. 317 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: I think that stands out very, very heavily to me. 318 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: The other part is there are guys in this Broncos 319 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: locker room that believe a teardown is coming and they 320 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 4: expect it from the conversations I had when they say teardown, 321 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: that means who can we get some picks for? 322 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: Right? Is it Kara Bowls? Is it Frank Clark? Is 323 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: it Justin Simmons? 324 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: Is it either one of the receivers in Jerry Judy 325 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: or Courtland Sutton. 326 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: They're going to make some moves at the deadline. Players 327 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: are expecting it. 328 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: But players are expecting it from my understanding that this 329 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: could be a full gut job in a sense, and 330 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: that's what they're all looking out for. 331 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: They're in a bad, bad way. When you have five. 332 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: Possessions coming out of halftime for a grand total of 333 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: negative eighteen yards. 334 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: I mean that's almost hard to do. 335 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: I mean Breese Hall, who returned the fumble for a 336 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: touchdown at the end of the game, he told me 337 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 4: He's like, that was pretty cool, wasn't it. 338 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I've never been a part of something like that. 339 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: That's a defender. He's never been a part of something 340 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: like that. But this Jets team steve with Breese Hall 341 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 4: and Dalvin Cook and running the football with as dominant 342 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: as this defense has the ability to be. I wouldn't 343 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: sleep on these Jets being in a lot of games 344 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: as they move forward and Zach Wilson getting they think 345 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: a little more comfortable talking to people on that sideline. 346 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: They were shell shocked for a couple of weeks because 347 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 4: of what happened to Aaron Rodgers. But now if you 348 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: can run the football the way they did two hundred 349 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: and thirty four yards in this game, figuring out how 350 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: to use both these guys, I don't think the. 351 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: Jets are going to be a pushover by any stretch, all. 352 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Right, JP, Look you don't think well no, I I 353 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: just got this in my ear. 354 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: They said, we got a rap you know why, let's 355 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: do it. 356 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: You know why because coming up next we have the 357 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: rap sheet. We got the rap Ian rabbit bot, the 358 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: man Tiders. He's gonna come let us know about Jonathan Taylor, 359 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: what's going down in Indiana and how many hours are 360 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: there in a day for him to actually get some 361 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: recreation time back here at the NFL Report. 362 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: Next, Welcome back into the NFL Report, James Balmer, Steve 363 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 4: watch with you in the og NFL insider himself, Ian Rappaport. Look, 364 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 4: he's insiding right now. He's insiding in a tremendous shirt 365 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: in what are you doing right now? 366 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: What are you working on? 367 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 6: I was tweeting that Elijah Verett Tucker is out for 368 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 6: this season with a torn achilles. Ooh that love for 369 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 6: the New York Jets. I know they were hoping after 370 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 6: his MRI that it was good news. They're hoping it 371 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 6: was a CAF strain and they were thinking there was 372 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 6: some optimism going in. Instead, no optimism. He is now 373 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 6: out for the season. Just brutal, one of the jets 374 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 6: best offensive linemen. That is certainly a tough one to 375 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 6: take for the Jets. 376 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 377 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, when they lost him last year, you saw offense 378 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: kind of really take a hit. I love the fact 379 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: that we're getting to see you like do your job. 380 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: For those of you on the podcast. Ian as we 381 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: came on air on camera was actually down tweeting it out. 382 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: So this is what he does. 383 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: He's clearly the best in the game. And you know, 384 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: and speaking of all the news you're you know you're 385 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: dealing with. 386 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: Kind of walk us through the Colts quarterback situation. 387 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: Too with Anthony Richardson and how long he could be 388 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: out and Gardner Minshew is who the fantasy experts need 389 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: to start putting on their teams. 390 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, it does sound like Gardner Minshew's going to be 391 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 6: this starter on Sunday and then moving forward, a grade 392 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 6: three AC joint sprain is the word for Anthony Richardson. 393 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 6: It's gonna get some additional tests and really there's no 394 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 6: rush here as far as deciding when's he going to 395 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 6: go on IR? Is he going to go on IR? 396 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 6: All of those decisions because they know he's not going 397 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 6: to play this week, so they want to get multiple opinions, 398 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 6: that is where they're at now and figure out what's 399 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 6: the best path going forward. Are they going to sign 400 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 6: another quarterback? And you know, there's a little more flexibility 401 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 6: now because you can really sign a quarterback to practice 402 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 6: squad and promote that person if you wanted, So they 403 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 6: don't have to make a decision now. But I think 404 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 6: it is pretty clear that Anthony Richard. Anthony Richard is 405 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 6: going to be off the field going forward. I would 406 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 6: say a tough blow, but you know, so much of 407 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 6: what you want to see from a young quarterbacks just 408 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 6: how to protect yourself and how to stay on the field. 409 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 6: Clearly some of the lessons that need to be learned 410 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 6: going forward. 411 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, I think Trevor Lawrence said 412 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 4: that to him early in the season when they were, 413 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: you know, meeting in the field like all quarterbacks do, 414 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: and said, hey, I hope you, you know, take fewer hits. Man, 415 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence his young career already kind of understanding that 416 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: in a sense, you know, I want to stick with 417 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 4: the Colts though, because, like I remember being on this 418 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 4: show and saying, when if Jonathan Taylor comes back and 419 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 4: him and Zach Moss and the way this defense is 420 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 4: playing and Shane Stike and coaching I think really brilliantly 421 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: so far in this young season, things could really come 422 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: together actually for this Colts team and have a chance. 423 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: To win the division. 424 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 4: All the comments are like Jonathan Taylor's not coming back. 425 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 4: Stop saying that Jonathan Taylor's coming back to it And 426 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: here we are with a new contract and Jonathan Taylor 427 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 4: coming back. 428 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: Who got this done? Essentially? 429 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 4: Ian like, who who made Shirt found a way to 430 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: get this to happen in a manner to which he's 431 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 4: back on the field and make it gonna make an 432 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: impact moving forward? 433 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 6: Well, I would say there's several people that got it done. 434 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 6: First of all, there was Chris Ballard and you know, 435 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 6: kind of getting the okay from owner Jim Mersay that 436 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 6: they could pay Jonathan Taylor. Once that happened, I'd say 437 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 6: maybe a week ago, maybe maybe ten days ago, reached 438 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 6: out to Jonathan Taylor's agent, Malkey Colin was like, you know, 439 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 6: clearly Taylor was healthy, let's start working on this. I think, 440 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 6: you know, starting the process of mending fences. That was good. 441 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 6: And then you know, from the other side, Shane Steichen 442 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 6: was talking to Jonathan Taylor to kind of bring him 443 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 6: back from where he was, kind of repair that relationship. 444 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 6: There was a lot of different people working on this. 445 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 6: You know, the actual value of the deal was not tough. 446 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 6: I mean when when they went out and solicited trade offers, 447 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 6: when it became clear that, you know, the Colts were 448 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 6: open to dealing Jonathan Taylor. What the other teams involved 449 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 6: in the Dolphins. The Packers ultimately did not trade for him, 450 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 6: but certainly there was interest both sides. Both teams seemed 451 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 6: willing to give him around fourteen million dollars per year, 452 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 6: kind of established his value. That actually made it easier 453 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 6: in the long run to get that deal done. 454 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to that point, Ian, I know you saw 455 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: those other teams are willing to give him fourteen million 456 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: a year, But in a nutshell, isn't the twenty six 457 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: million guaranteed basically the projected if you can, the estimated 458 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: franchise tag ye for the running back over the. 459 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: Next two years. Isn't that kind of the similar type 460 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: of salary we're looking at. 461 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, but what I think it does is it 462 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 6: guarantees the franchise tag, right. You know, what nobody wants 463 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 6: is to go year by year, right, And I think 464 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 6: that's where you know, we sort of I thought the 465 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 6: running back deals would get done over the course of 466 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 6: the summer. You know, the Josh Jacobs deal is tay 467 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 6: go on Barkley because basically what teams are doing is saying, like, 468 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 6: all right, well we'll lock in the franchise tag deal 469 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 6: and then you know, we can get a couple extra 470 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 6: years at the back end of it. 471 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: That. 472 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 6: Ultimately those deals did not end up getting done, but 473 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 6: that was kind of the basis for it. Similar here, 474 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 6: you know, getting Look, it's getting any deal as a 475 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 6: running back is a good thing. Getting any deal as 476 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 6: a running back is important. And I think the fact 477 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 6: that he was able to get a real deal at 478 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 6: the top of the market to help re establish that 479 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 6: running back market and be like, all right, you know 480 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 6: you could talk about devalue all you want. Great players 481 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 6: are hard to find. You should pay those players. Getting 482 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 6: this deal done, just getting it done at all was 483 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 6: pretty challenging and impressive. 484 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 4: And and you know this deal inside and out, and 485 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 4: so I want to kind of peel back the curtain 486 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 4: in a sense. We do that on the NFL Report 487 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: a little bit. Look, you're still your head's down, you're 488 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 4: still working, but you're multitasking. You're paying attention to me too. 489 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 4: I can tell like when you talk to everyone around. 490 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 6: This is this is my life, this is this is 491 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 6: what it is. 492 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: This is your life. 493 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 6: Yea, guys want to find I'm happy to give you 494 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 6: eight minutes. 495 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: This is what Leah signed up for. Dude, Max and 496 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: Jude know all of it. 497 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: What what do you do when you kind of figure 498 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 4: out that balance between I know this much, but I 499 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 4: can only say probably this much. How do you find 500 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 4: what you want to be able to say and find 501 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: that spot, that sweet spot where you also have to 502 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: save some stuff because things are always constantly evolving as 503 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: the season goes. 504 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think the main thing you do is 505 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 6: you tweet what you know, what you know, now, what 506 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 6: you think, what you know, and you know, if you 507 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 6: get to a point where you're tweeting something and you're 508 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 6: unsure but it's important news to get out, you make 509 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 6: sure to give as much context as you possibly can, 510 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 6: Like here's where this stands right now, but the player 511 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 6: is going to have the MRI and and then we'll see, 512 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 6: you know, whatever it ends up being. Whatever it ends 513 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 6: up being. Hold on one second, I need to text 514 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 6: someone back. 515 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: He's in he's inciding people and real quick. Well, well okay. 516 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: Go ahead, you ready? Can you pick it up? I 517 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: know you have to pick up one. 518 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: No, I get pick it up. 519 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 6: Yeah again, Sorry, it's you know, it's a long segment, 520 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 6: and sometimes phone calls and such happen when you're on 521 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 6: a Monday. 522 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: When you're happen to doing some injuries. 523 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 6: Yeah. 524 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: So anyway, I think the main thing. 525 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 6: You want to do is is you want to say 526 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 6: what you know at the time, and if there is context, 527 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 6: you want to give it so people get the entire picture, 528 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 6: regardless of what you're reporting on. 529 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: But it's so interesting because when we all got into 530 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: this game, you just reported the facts and now reporting 531 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: does come with a lot more perspective and context added 532 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: on to it. But how do you deal with this 533 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: because it happens to all of us where we can 534 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: sometimes get dealt a bucket load of information, right, how 535 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: do you decipher? Okay, is this person testing me by 536 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: giving me all of this? How relevant is this juicy 537 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: appoint to that? 538 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: I mean happened to me. 539 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, when he was the director of basketball operation 540 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: for the Washington Wizards, came out and basically told me 541 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: the players are looking to trade X, Y and Z, 542 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: And I was like, I can't dump all this un 543 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: now because it's too much. And I think by playing 544 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: the long game of finesse it benefited me when some 545 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: of these things actually happened. 546 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: I mean, how often are you dealing with that? 547 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Because I am sure that seventy percent of the things 548 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: told you you can't put out in print or you 549 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: just have to finesse to see what's most relevant. 550 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that's what you're trying to do, 551 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 6: is you're trying to balance, like what do I need 552 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 6: to tell? What is important news to report right now? 553 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 6: What can I kind of say? What can I make 554 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 6: sure is you know I have for a week from 555 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 6: now or an hour from now. I mean that's kind 556 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 6: of what it is, as you parcel out the information 557 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 6: they can give, give the fans, the readers the best 558 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 6: information you can without burning a source. It is for 559 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 6: sure a juggling act, just like you know disappearances right here, all. 560 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: Right, Ian, real quick, I've got I've got to get out, 561 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: but we've got for those of you watching the shirt. Okay, 562 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: So so imagine those in the podcast, imagine like the 563 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, some Girls LP and hip hop Heads, the 564 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: Midnight Marauders, Tribe call Quest album cover. Right, you got 565 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: all these squares and you've got all the the wrestling mats. 566 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: On there, so like explain to quick. 567 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is from the George Kittle collection at 568 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 6: Chubby's got. 569 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 3: This in the mail. 570 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 6: I'm wearing it in honor of George Kittle having a 571 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 6: birthday and scoring three touchdowns. I was wondering if there 572 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 6: was a chance to meet for where There's no better 573 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 6: opportunity than literally right now. 574 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: All right, you you're the best man. I really appreciate you. 575 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: Spend a time with Thissten and make sure everybody watch Ian, 576 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: Tom Pellisero, Mike Grofolo on NFL Plus and NFL Network 577 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: on the Insiders and coming up next, Oh, we're going 578 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: deep into the mess that is the New England Patriots. 579 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: Phil Perry from the Boston area is coming up to 580 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: give us all the details on the NFL report. 581 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 7: You've mentioned starting over the last name and then I 582 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 7: know it came up on the radio today with that 583 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 7: including conversations about changes in personnel from the roster to 584 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 7: depth charter or the coaching staff. 585 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 586 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, well, you know, we need to make 587 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 4: some improvements and where we are, so we'll see what 588 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: all that entails. 589 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: I haven't gone into it yet, but we will. 590 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: I don't know if it needs a description, but that 591 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 4: was one mister Bill Belichick, James Palmer, Steve which back 592 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: with the NFL report, when we are joined with one 593 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 4: of my favorite people I love to sit next to 594 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 4: in press boxes, specifically in Foxborough, that is Phil Perry 595 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 4: of NBC Sports Boston. Phil, congratulations, you were witness to 596 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 4: the worst home loss of Bill Belichick's career. Take me 597 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 4: to Foxborough Gillette Stadium. What stood out? What was the 598 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: environment go. 599 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 5: The worst home loss of Bill Belichick's career in New 600 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 5: England and the worst loss of Bill Belichick's career period 601 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 5: with the Patriots just one week prior. So it was 602 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 5: interesting to be inside the stadium and to hear the booze. 603 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 5: You'd expect some booze from some angry Patriots fans, there's 604 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 5: no question, but it felt like there was a little 605 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 5: bit of resignation in the crowd yesterday in Foxborough. I 606 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 5: think this fan base understands what this team is right now. 607 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: They are one of the worst teams in football by 608 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 5: any number of meaningful metrics out there. 609 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: They get it. 610 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 5: I think the team understands it. He was not there 611 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 5: on the field or on the sideline from players or coaches, 612 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 5: and they are scrambling for answers right now. 613 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: So, Phil, I mean, it's interesting to say that because 614 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: one of the worst things that could happen to a 615 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: fan base and to a club is kind of acceptance 616 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: of losing orn apathy. 617 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: Right, especially a team like the Patriots. 618 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: Well, there's been so much success, so okay, so let's 619 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: say things end up going down the pike, like their 620 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: top ten pick next year based on two years of poor. 621 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: Personnel, right that roster has not been good. 622 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: Would anybody there trust the people in leadership right now 623 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: to be making the talent acquisition with draft picks that high. 624 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 5: It's a great question, Steve, and it's one that Robert 625 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 5: Kraft is going to have to wrestle with come season's end. 626 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 5: But he was clearly very unhappy at the end of 627 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 5: last year because this Patriots team was a joke, especially 628 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 5: offensively last year, and you had wasted a year essentially 629 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 5: of your young quarterback on a rookie contract, very manageable salary, 630 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 5: the kind of thing that teams have been taking advantage 631 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 5: of for years in this league. Now it might be 632 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 5: the greatest advantage in sports is having a competent quarterback 633 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 5: on a rookie contract. It looks like that's what the 634 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 5: Patriots had in twenty twenty one. They give them a 635 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 5: coaching staff that's ill prepared in twenty twenty two and 636 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 5: you lost a season and ownership was not happy. Now 637 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 5: things have looked worse on that side of the ball somehow. 638 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 5: They are last in the league in points per game. 639 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 5: For the advanced analytics people out there, they are last 640 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 5: in the league in terms of EPA per play. They're 641 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 5: last in the league in terms of EPA per dropback 642 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 5: in EPA per Rush's it's a mess right now, and 643 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 5: there aren't many real solutions. I think, before they start 644 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 5: to worry about who's making the draft picks next year, 645 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 5: you try to do something to salvage this season. Because 646 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: they haven't been here before. They don't want to be here. 647 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 5: It feels like the night year of the Patriots franchise. 648 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 5: Even stretching back to before Bill Belichick getting here, they've 649 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 5: never had a game, a stretch of two games where 650 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 5: they've lost by thirty plus points like this, back to weeks. 651 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: Look at the Steve. Phil has already moved on, like 652 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: he's he's done with the season. 653 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: Five games in. 654 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 4: Steve's already like, let's look at what the Patriots can 655 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: do in terms of their draft. Now you have to 656 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 4: sit there and watch the rest of this season. You 657 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 4: have to cover every one of these games, every one 658 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 4: of these practices. I'm curious from your stance as you 659 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: brought up mac Jones and obviously this offense, what in 660 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 4: your mind is a is a bigger issue. Phil, Is 661 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: it what you we hear around the league? Steve is 662 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: mac Jones is seeing ghosts. He's looking at the rush 663 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 4: before his eyes are up looking downfield or is it 664 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 4: a lack of personnel on that side of the ball, 665 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 4: whether it be the offensive line or skill players around him. 666 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 5: Well, it's a chicken or the egg sort of problem, right, 667 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 5: And I look at the personnel first and foremost. And 668 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 5: the reason why he's not trusting what's happening in front 669 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 5: of him, the reason why his eyes are down and 670 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 5: he's staring at the rush as opposed to going through 671 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 5: his progressions, is because he doesn't believe in the players that. 672 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 3: Are out there. 673 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 5: It's it's very apparent based on what he's put on taping. 674 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 5: He says all the right things, and he's doing an 675 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 5: interview as we speak right now on Boston Sports Radio, 676 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 5: and he's talking about how he believes in the players 677 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 5: around him, but his play would say otherwise. And when 678 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 5: you look at how he has behaved in the pocket 679 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 5: these last two weeks, it's very clear that he understands 680 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 5: he has one of the worst offensive lines in football, 681 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 5: which they are by many metrics when it comes to 682 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 5: their ability to pass protect, but they're near the bottom 683 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 5: of the league in terms of yards per rush as well, 684 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: so they can't run it, they can't protect long enough 685 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 5: for Mac Jones to go through his reads and his 686 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 5: group of weapons have a very, very difficult time separating. 687 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 5: If you look at some of the next gen stats 688 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 5: numbers that are out there on this Patriots pass catching group, 689 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 5: they can't get open. They see more man to man 690 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 5: coverage than any offense in football right now. There's a 691 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 5: reason why defenses are daring the Patriots to beat them 692 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 5: one on one and they can't do it. So I 693 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 5: just go back to something that I heard before the 694 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 5: season began. Guys, and whether it's Mac Jones or the 695 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 5: offensive line or any issues that they're now, even on 696 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 5: special teams where they've really invested over the last few years, 697 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 5: it's very clear to people in the building that this 698 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 5: team in this locker room has turned over so much 699 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 5: since Tom Brady was at the height of his powers here. 700 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 5: And even though you do still have a Matthew Slater 701 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 5: and David Andrews and a Dietrich Trice guys that have 702 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 5: won Super Bowls, there aren't that many of those guys anymore. 703 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 5: And to start the season the way you started it, 704 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 5: I think there's real concern in the building that you 705 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 5: lose by in early in the season when you start 706 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 5: the way you've started, and you can't get it back 707 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 5: because this group can't lean on previous experiences and say, well, 708 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 5: you know what, we'll get this figured out. 709 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: We'll end up back in. 710 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 5: The AFC Championship game anyway. Because you used to be 711 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 5: able to start slow when Brady was here. It's not 712 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 5: the case anymore. 713 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 714 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just interesting to hear this because we've 715 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: seen teams like the Seahawks lose, lose, you know, a 716 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: guy like Russell Wilson, and they're right back in it 717 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: because they were building for the future while they were 718 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: still being competitive. And it seems like the Patriots were 719 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: just hanging on to the past longer, longer, longer. 720 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: Now it's caught up to them. 721 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: So I want to go back to kind of what 722 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: you're saying though. So a change to Bailey's appy is 723 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: not going to make any difference, is what you're saying, 724 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: based on everything else that they're missing. 725 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 5: I really don't think so, Steve. And it's been fascinating 726 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 5: to see how they have decided to treat this backup 727 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 5: quarterback position because they went into the year with one 728 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 5: quarterback on the active roster. Bailey's appy was released to 729 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 5: make room for special teamers and defensive reserves and guys 730 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 5: that really are going to make no impact on this season. 731 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 5: Bailey's Appy was gone about a month ago, and not 732 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 5: only that, but they brought in Matt Corral, they brought 733 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 5: in Ian Book briefly. Will Greer is here now. They've 734 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 5: been trying to upgrade that backup spot over the course 735 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 5: of the last month. And I asked Bill Belichick today, 736 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 5: do you view bailey 'z appy as a starting caliber 737 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 5: player potentially? And he didn't answer the question, but I 738 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 5: think his actions speak volumes that they don't believe in 739 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 5: Bailey's Appy and right now, how could they believe in 740 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 5: Mac Jones based on the way he's played. So the 741 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 5: way they've handled that backup spot by not bringing in 742 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 5: maybe a viable veteran or maybe even dipping back into 743 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 5: the draft this year after spending a year with Bailey 744 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 5: Zappi and maybe wondering if he's the right guy for 745 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 5: that backup spot, the way they've handled that has really 746 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 5: backed them into a corner at the quarterback position. I 747 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 5: don't think there's much you can do other than play 748 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 5: Mac Jones and hope he rides it out. Because you 749 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 5: have no viable options behind him right now. 750 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 3: Interesting. 751 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 4: Interesting, And when we talk about the quarterback position so 752 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 4: much phil in New England obviously because the greatest player 753 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 4: to ever do it was there for two decades and 754 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 4: since he's left, what is it twenty six and thirty, 755 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 4: Bill Belichick is since Tom Brady left New England? How 756 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: much heat from the I'm from Philadelphia. You know that 757 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 4: our cities are not shy and what they think about coaches, 758 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: even ones as esteemed as Bill Belichick. What is the 759 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 4: perception of Bill Belichick right now in Boston. 760 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 5: Well, there's clearly frustration, and I think the frustration stems 761 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 5: from what is a perceived lack of urgency, whether it's 762 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 5: been in replacing Tom Brady. Remember, you know that was 763 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 5: the Cam Newton year. Was the year right after Brady 764 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: was gone in twenty twenty, and the Patriots waited and 765 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 5: waited and waited throughout the course of the off season 766 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 5: to determine how they were going to handle their starting 767 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 5: quarterback gig. People thought it was going to be Jared 768 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 5: Stidham because the Patriots hadn't made a move. But right 769 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 5: before they get on the field and they start their work, 770 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 5: towards the twenty twenty season, they bring in Cam Newton 771 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 5: and he becomes the starter. Lack of urgency when it 772 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 5: comes to replacing Josh McDaniels. We saw how that went 773 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 5: last year, and then you know, even with Bill Belichick 774 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 5: now you can ask him about in game decisions, and 775 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 5: it feels like there's a lack of urgency. They decided 776 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 5: to punt yesterday guys on fourth and three from the Saints. 777 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: Four yard line. 778 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 5: They were down twenty four to nothing with about twenty 779 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 5: five minutes left, and you could feel the entire stadium, 780 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 5: almost in Unison, scratch their heads and have their eyebrows 781 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 5: shoot to the sky when Bill Belichick sent the punt 782 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 5: unit back on to the field in that spot. If 783 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 5: you're not trying to score points there, how are you 784 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 5: trying to stay in this game? How are you trying 785 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 5: to maybe even win this game? There's twenty five minutes 786 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 5: left and you're deciding to punt. Do you feel like 787 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 5: you have a better chance to score on a muffed 788 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 5: punt or on a turnover than you do with your 789 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 5: offense actually out on the field and trying to put 790 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 5: the ball in the end zone. There's things like that 791 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 5: that have happened. It feels like almost on a weekly 792 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 5: basis now that fans really will latch onto and they'll 793 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 5: call ninety eight five the Sports up, and they'll call 794 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 5: Felgri and Maz and they will vent because it's been 795 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 5: that kind of season. It's been really multiple years now 796 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 5: where I think fans have started to question whether or 797 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 5: not Bill Belichick is the right guy to be leading 798 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 5: this team. 799 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 800 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: Look, it happened to Tom Landry, it happened to Don Sula, 801 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: it happened to some of the greatest ones where you 802 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: know their time comes up. 803 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: And to that point, speaking of Don Jula, I mean. 804 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: Does Bill Belichick break the all time coaching wins record 805 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: in New England? 806 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 5: This has to be so far down the list of 807 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 5: priorities for the Patriots now, Steve, it's not even funny. 808 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 5: I mean, we talked about it in the offseason. Robert 809 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 5: Kraft was asked about it and he said, listen, you know, 810 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 5: he would love for him to break the record, but 811 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: they're not here to be chasing records like that necessarily. 812 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 5: They're not looking for players to be racking up individual stats. 813 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 5: So with the coach, you have to take the same 814 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 5: approach was essentially how Robert Kraft termed it. But at 815 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 5: this rate, how long is it going to take? Are 816 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 5: you willing to wait for Bill Belichick to be here 817 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 5: as a seventy five year old head coach, you know, 818 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 5: winning seven games a year? Maybe maybe, and breaking that record? 819 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 5: I don't think it can factor into the equation anymore. 820 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 5: I think if it happened, and it happened organically, Robert 821 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 5: Craft would have been thrilled for Bill Belichick to break 822 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 5: that record as the head coach of the Patriots. I 823 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 5: just don't think it's realistic right now. 824 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 4: Things Stan, Wow, Wow, Phil, you're the best man. I 825 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 4: appreciate you spending some time. Race probably kept you really long. 826 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 4: You probably want to be listening to Mac Jones right now. 827 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 4: And we and we kept you for all this time? 828 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 4: Are you okay with that? 829 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 3: Are you kidding? 830 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 5: This is the most entertaining thing that I've been. 831 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 3: A part of in the last twenty four hours. 832 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 2: Was let Stadium all day yesterday, Guys. 833 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 5: Is the most fun I've had in a long ass time. 834 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I love you, Phil. 835 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 4: That's awesome, man, appreciate it, dude. Can't wait to see 836 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 4: you again in the flesh. That's not a little creepy, 837 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 4: isn't it? 838 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 3: Okay? 839 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 4: But more NFL report coming up. I flustered myself, Phil 840 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 4: with your devastatingly good looks. We had some teams on 841 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 4: the rise, guys. We had the Jaguars one two in London, Steap. 842 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 3: We also. 843 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 4: Have a hot, hot team in the Motor City and 844 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 4: that is the Detroit Lions. More of those two teams 845 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 4: coming up on the NFL Report. 846 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: Well back in the NFL Report and JP overseas. 847 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: The Jaguars spent back to back weeks there and they 848 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: kicked back to back tail got consecutive wins. Now there 849 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: are three and two and they are looking like the 850 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: Jaguars on both sides of the ball we expected when 851 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: this season started. 852 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 4: Remember Steve, when they were heading over to London and 853 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 4: I said, maybe just two games there will get them 854 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 4: back on the right track. And Doug Peterson raved about 855 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 4: these guys spending that week together right every single day, 856 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 4: eating together, going out to dinner in the hotel. That 857 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 4: bonding experience stood out to Doug Peterson, especially when they 858 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 4: were reading their clippings. In his mind a little bit 859 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: about how good they were supposed to be. At the 860 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 4: early part of the season. That's what studs with the 861 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 4: veteran head coach. But what really stands out to me 862 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 4: is the way Trevor Lawrence played in this game against 863 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills. Or we were all raving about that 864 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 4: front seven of Buffalo and how they got after the 865 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins. He has made tough throw after tough throw, Steve, 866 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 4: I think what he's done under pressure. He's thrown four 867 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 4: touchdowns while under pressure this season already. I think he 868 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 4: threw four total a season ago. The way he's been 869 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 4: able to stand in there, make plays with his legs, 870 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 4: get hit while he's. 871 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 3: Throwing on the run, I think he is playing. 872 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 4: Like we saw or expected him to play coming into 873 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 4: this season, and it looks like he's finding his stride. 874 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 4: I love watching Trevor Lawrence play. I think the toughness 875 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 4: aspect of his game is underrated. 876 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. 877 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: I think the offensive line is playing a little bit better, 878 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,479 Speaker 1: and they had some injuries happen against that Bills. But again, 879 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned Trevor Lawrence making plays with his legs, moving around, 880 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: being creative. 881 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: Is open up the field for Travis. 882 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: Atn Folks, we need to start talking about Travis atn 883 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: one of the best running backs in the NFL dual 884 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: purpose especially, but also this defense. Josh Allen, No, not 885 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: the one for the Bills, but for the Jags, has 886 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: six sacks this season. Now, those came in two games, 887 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: but the pressure he is starting to generate on quarterbacks consistently. 888 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: He's got nine quarterback hits this far in the season 889 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: has also helped Trayvon Walker. He has to Trayvon Walker 890 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: taking ahead, making ahead of Aiden Hudginson. He's playing better 891 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: that defensive front for the Jags. It is about time 892 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: they gained traction with all the high picks they have there, JP, 893 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: they are starting to play a little bit better. Now 894 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about Aiden Hudginson JP. Those Detroit Lions. 895 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: I'm sorry people, we've been banging the drums since the preseason. 896 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: But James, is there any doubt that this is the 897 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: best team in the NFC. 898 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 4: Nors No, And you know what also is Steve, it's 899 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 4: the most balanced team in that division. This is a 900 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 4: top ten team offensively. Defensively, they're a top ten team 901 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 4: on offense in running the football and throwing the football. 902 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 4: I love the balance that the Detroit Lions have with 903 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 4: this team, and they're sitting at four and one. I 904 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 4: think mainly because they went in and played against a 905 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers team that you're always wondering is a team 906 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 4: for real if they don't play down to an opponent, 907 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 4: if they don't have a game where they sleep walk 908 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 4: through a team that eventually started playing well over maybe 909 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 4: the last. 910 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 3: Fifteen games, or they want twelve to their last fifteen. 911 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:09,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 912 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 4: I mean, they've really played well from the back end 913 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 4: of the season into this one, and you could have 914 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 4: overlooked this game. And I think what good teams do 915 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 4: is they don't overlook a team. And what I went 916 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 4: out and did without key players of this team, no 917 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 4: Amarras Saint Brown, no Jamiir Gibbs, no Brian Branch on 918 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 4: the back end. We'll talk about the rookies in a 919 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 4: second to be shorthanded and then go out and do 920 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,720 Speaker 4: what they did. I think they have a lot of weapons, 921 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 4: as we talked about. You know, Trevor Lawrence has a 922 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 4: lot of them, The Niners have a lot of them, 923 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 4: The Eagles have a lot of them. I don't think 924 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 4: you can overlook the number of weapons that Jared Goff 925 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 4: has now with the addition of Jamison Williams coming back 926 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,479 Speaker 4: added to that group. 927 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's because Jared Goff is the number one weapon 928 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 2: on here. 929 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: People can say what they want about Jered Goff time 930 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: he's dealing, he's playing fantastic. Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator, 931 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: who probably is his last year as being their offensive 932 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: coordinat because they're probably get an eight job, has just 933 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: done a fantastic job with this offense. And then Aaron Glenn, 934 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of high expectations him 935 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, as becoming a future head coach. 936 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: He is starting to lay that track. 937 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: As you talked about the defense playing well this season 938 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: as it did over the back half of last season. 939 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: That's in large part to Aiden Hutchinson. But that whole 940 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 1: group coming together and some excellent draft picks. Is there 941 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: a front office, maybe outside of the forty nine ers, 942 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 1: who has been so on point? 943 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, I bet the front office forty Niners. 944 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 1: I mean Trey Lance might hurt him a little bit, 945 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: but they're still the best team in the NFL. But 946 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: what Detroit has done and building this roster, adding guys 947 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: like Sam Laporta, like you said, Brian branch Oh. They 948 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: don't need Those guys are duplicates of players they already have. 949 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: These guys are studs. Jamier Gibbs looks like he's going 950 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,760 Speaker 1: to be a stud. What about the way that Brad 951 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: Holmes and Ray Agnew and coach Dan Campbell have put 952 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: this roster together not just for the short term, JP, 953 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 1: but for the long haul. 954 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 4: Look at what their draft room was like the last 955 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 4: couple of years when they picked certain players and man 956 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 4: where they panned Steve Right, We're taking Jamiirkiff where you're 957 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 4: taking a linebacker where right? And they are in their 958 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 4: room privately as static. Why Because they're building what they 959 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 4: want to build. They're building the team how they see it. 960 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people that question them 961 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 4: or not questioned them that much anymore. And you think 962 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 4: about it, they've been doing all of this essentially without 963 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 4: the twelfth overall pick from two seasons ago, who I 964 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 4: mentioned in Jamison Williams, Like that guy hasn't even been 965 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 4: really on the field for them as he was coming 966 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 4: back from the ACL and then had the suspension at 967 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 4: the beginning of this season, and they did get shortened 968 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 4: because of the gambling policy getting changed but these other 969 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 4: picks have been phenomenal. And to have Sam Laporta a 970 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 4: tight end and Steve we know how difficult it is 971 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 4: to make a big impact as a tight end as 972 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 4: a rookie in the NFL because of everything you have 973 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 4: to learn playing the position. Talking to people in Detroit 974 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 4: when I was there for their preseason and they were like, 975 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 4: you don't understand the amount of trust Jared Goff has 976 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 4: in Sam Laporta already, and you can see it, and 977 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 4: that's huge for a young tight end in that sense, 978 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 4: I think all of these young players not that they're 979 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 4: just playing well and we're seeing their roles, but they're 980 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 4: selling in their roles. Jamir Gibbs playing that Alvin Kamara 981 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 4: to mark Ingram type of style with David Montgomery. Everybody 982 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 4: wants to have more touches. They have a plan for 983 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 4: all of these rookies, and I think that's even more 984 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 4: important than where you pick the guys that you have 985 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 4: a set plan for how you're going to use them. 986 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 3: And we're seeing that from this organization. 987 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, you know what, JP, I'm thinking about this 988 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: and I looked at our production schedule and I know 989 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: our clock right now. 990 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 2: We're supposed to talk to Bengals. 991 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: Let's put them off to Thursday, because I really want 992 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: to put them to give them. 993 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 2: A lot of time and with Joe Burrow and what 994 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 2: they are doing. 995 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: But we're gonna go ahead and move on because we've 996 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: got some big things that we've got to get to, 997 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: including a discussion on the Kansas City Chiefs and are 998 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: they for real? Maybe there are some holes in their 999 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: shield stage way back on the NFL Report after this, 1000 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: all right, to wrap things up here at the NFL Report, 1001 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,879 Speaker 1: I'm seen Whites with James Palmer, and James, we see 1002 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs day one again in Week five, 1003 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: barely beating the Minnesota Vikings. Little controversy in that game 1004 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: as well, and you've had Travis Kelcey spraying his ankle 1005 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: in that game. But James, you're around the team a lot, 1006 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: and you know, we've been saying it for years and 1007 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 1: they've kind of gotten by, like won some Super Bowls, 1008 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: but like the star power at receiver, you know, we 1009 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: know Pacheco, we know some stuff they have in the backfield, 1010 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: but it seems more and more the lack of receiving reliability, 1011 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: let's say, for Patrick Mahomes other than Travis Kelcey is 1012 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: starting to rear its head in a league where the 1013 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: elite teams thus far have got playmakers on both sides 1014 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: of the ball. Are you in any way concern when 1015 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs about their ability 1016 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: to keep on winning this way sounds crazy? 1017 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 2: Winning this way they're winning, But their. 1018 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,720 Speaker 1: Ability to do that in a league where big stars 1019 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: at the playmaking positions seem like it's a requirement. 1020 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 3: No, should we end the show after that? 1021 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 2: No? 1022 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 4: I listen, name this stimmy Steve. Though the number one 1023 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 4: wide receiver in terms of yards on the Chiefs is 1024 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 4: who right now? 1025 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 3: After five? 1026 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,359 Speaker 2: I would say, was it Racy Rice? 1027 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 4: No, it is Justin Watson is the leading wide receiver 1028 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 4: for the Kansas City Chiefs right now. 1029 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 3: And that plays right into what you're saying. Right and 1030 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 3: they're playing. 1031 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,359 Speaker 4: A lot of guys at the receiver position, and they're 1032 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 4: rotating a lot of them in. But what's happening there 1033 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 4: because they kept a lot coming out of camp. What's 1034 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 4: happening there also is a lot of them are young, 1035 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 4: and a lot of them are just learning how to play. 1036 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 3: With Patrick Mahomes. 1037 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 2: Now. 1038 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 4: When I was at training camp in the start of 1039 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 4: this season, we were told repeatedly or she Rice is 1040 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 4: coming on like Gangbusters. Sky Moore is going to take 1041 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 4: a big jump in year two. He has figured things 1042 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 4: out that was wishful thinking in a sense that those 1043 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 4: things would happen right out of the gate. Steve, I 1044 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 4: think that's what you have to be realistic about and 1045 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 4: playing with Patrick Mahomes. Matt Naggie was just saying it 1046 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 4: in a zoom call with the local media on Monday, 1047 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 4: which was it takes some time to learn how Pat plays. 1048 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 4: A lot of things are off schedule, a lot of 1049 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 4: things are terms of scramble drill. It's why he's always 1050 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 4: looking and finding Travis Kelce because the two of them 1051 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 4: are on the same page repeatedly learning everything that they 1052 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 4: want you to do as a wide receiver in that role, 1053 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 4: all the different things that go into it. 1054 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 3: Playing it in the Kansas City Chiefs offense, there's a 1055 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 3: lot there. 1056 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of growth and a lot of 1057 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 4: work that has to be done with this group. But 1058 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,439 Speaker 4: I don't see a panic because you have the best 1059 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 4: player on the planet playing quarterback for your team. I 1060 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 4: do think that helps them out tremendously when he also 1061 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 4: has the ability to create and make plays on his own. 1062 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 4: You saw that the last couple of weeks. If he 1063 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 4: wants to use his legs, he'll go out and do that. 1064 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 4: If things break down as well, Yeah, I. 1065 00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 2: Mean I think that's the case. You know as well too. 1066 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm not panicked. 1067 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: I do think it's gonna be a little bit more 1068 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 1: of a struggle for them. I think there's gonna be 1069 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: a lot more twelve round fights than there are gonna 1070 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: be tkos. Then they've had to go through because of 1071 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: this while they're learning, because teams are adjusting to what 1072 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: they're doing. 1073 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 2: But man, they ask a lot of Patrick Mahomes. 1074 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we know this defense has played pretty well 1075 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: out of the gate, but I mean, it just seems 1076 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,439 Speaker 1: like they puts so much on him. 1077 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 2: If these guys don't step up, you know, we'll see. 1078 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: Because there aren't a ton of teams, you know, as 1079 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: much as we were ballyhooing the AFC kind of coming 1080 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: into the season, it doesn't seem like there's that many 1081 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: Juggernauts out there that could still wrangle with them. 1082 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 2: But I do think the Dolphins could be there. 1083 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: We will be back Thursday on the NFL Report for 1084 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: Dave Palmer, I'm Steve White,