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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: from Jerusalem. Probably not what you expected to start your

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Speaker 1: Monday off with. We have been touring all over this

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Speaker 1: country yesterday to the border with Lebanon. Today down at

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Speaker 1: to be in Israel right now, with Hesbola, with Hamas,

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Speaker 1: all of those different discussion points. At one o'clock we

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Speaker 1: will actually talk to a mother whose son remains a

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Speaker 1: But as we join all of you right now on

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Speaker 1: this Monday morning, major breaking news and it is a

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Speaker 1: great news story for I think America, for New York City,

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Speaker 1: for people who believe in justice. Daniel Penny, the marine

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Speaker 1: who was charged with manslaughter with responsibility culpability for Jordan

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Speaker 1: Neely's death on the New York City subway.

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Speaker 2: This case has.

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Speaker 1: Been going on for around a month. The jury has

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Speaker 1: been deliberating for several days. They dropped one of the

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Speaker 1: charges and went to a lesser charge of negligent homicide.

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Speaker 1: He was found not guilty. A unanimous jury rejected the

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Speaker 1: prosecution by DA Alvin Bragg's New York City office. And

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Speaker 1: this is a huge win for juries, for basic common sense,

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Speaker 1: for the idea of individuals being able to protect themselves

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Speaker 1: and others in New York City, and frankly, I think

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Speaker 1: beyond because this jury verdict is going to reverberate around

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Speaker 1: the country. Buck, as a New York City born and

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Speaker 1: than many did. You've been on the subway a lot.

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Speaker 1: You've seen over the years the subway descend from a

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Speaker 1: place where you might feel comfortable with your wife, or

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Speaker 1: a point where a lot of people now say, hey,

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Speaker 1: don't even try it, because of the criminal element that

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Speaker 1: has taken over much of the New York City subways

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Speaker 1: over the past several years. What was your reaction when

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Speaker 1: this verdict came down first was just the.

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Speaker 2: Absolute relief that Daniel Penny's life is not going to

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Speaker 2: be destroyed because of the mob outside literally and metaphorically

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Speaker 2: threatening violence. Just to be clear that this has now

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Speaker 2: become something that the media doesn't really like to talk

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Speaker 2: about very much. But there were not just protests. There

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Speaker 2: are people that were saying, you know, we're the ones

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Speaker 2: hands if the court doesn't do the right thing. Very

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Speaker 2: unsettling chance and meant to intimidate outside that courtroom. Daniel Penny,

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Speaker 2: This is a I hope, a turning of the tide

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Speaker 2: when it comes to criminal justice in New York City.

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Speaker 2: I've been there, Clay. I lived through one of the

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Speaker 2: most remarkable criminal justice transformations of any city anywhere in

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Speaker 2: the world in our lifetime, when New York went from

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Speaker 2: when I was in junior high about twenty two hundred

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Speaker 2: murders a year, twenty two hundred over two thousand people

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Speaker 2: of time under Mayor Giuliani, it got down to five

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Speaker 2: is enough. At some point, the propaganda and the brainwashing

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Speaker 2: of our criminal justice system is racist. It is not racist.

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Speaker 2: There are people who are racist in this country, and

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Speaker 2: in the criminal justice system there is imperfection. There are

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Speaker 2: racist things that can happen, but it is very rare.

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Speaker 2: Our criminal justice system, when it is allowed to function,

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Speaker 2: You've been seeing some of these pieces, right. You've got

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Speaker 2: I know he's a liar. We'll talk about all of that. However,

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Speaker 2: There's a Whitney to Wilson, who's actually a family friend

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Speaker 2: suffered enough. Finally, you know, Clay, this is I think

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Speaker 2: It's not okay anymore. We want law and order. I

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Speaker 2: bottom of the hour, we'll talk with Kirsten Fleming from

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Speaker 2: the New York Post. You may remember that we talked

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 1: In many ways, this feels like it may well be

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Speaker 1: the Swan Song, the end of BLM and defund the

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Speaker 1: police because this was a This was a case that

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Speaker 1: frankly never should have been brought. As we talked about, Buck,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been brought if the races were the same,

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Speaker 1: if the races were reversed. This was a white man,

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Speaker 1: it's let me let me just give credit to Daniel

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Speaker 1: Penny's defense attorneys here. It's hard, Buck, when the state

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Speaker 1: or the federal government decides that they're gonna put their

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Speaker 1: This was an aggressive prosecution that again was I think

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Speaker 1: race based in nature. But this jury unanimously rejecting the

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Speaker 1: I would also point out they dropped charges on Friday.

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Speaker 1: In a more serious charge, they couldn't reach a verdict.

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Speaker 1: I thought that meant a mistrial was likely. This is

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Speaker 1: what a jury should do, Buck, They should talk, and

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Speaker 1: they managed some people in that jury managed to convince others,

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Speaker 2: The judge could have just declared a mistrial last week.

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Speaker 2: So you could have had a situation where the jury

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Speaker 2: And my understanding is that now the top charge cannot

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Speaker 2: be revived. Clay spoke to a friend of mine on

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Speaker 2: the prosecution side of things, they can't, So this is it.

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Speaker 2: He is free and clear. And this is also critical,

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Speaker 2: not just because justice feels like it has been done

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Speaker 2: not forget that this charge never should have been brought.

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Speaker 2: I think that's an asterisk we have to put on this.

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Speaker 2: But I was worried that even if you got convicted

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Speaker 2: He still can be, but I think it's a different context.

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Speaker 2: Now be sued and Clay all of his wages for

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Speaker 2: pay the family of Jordan Neely who show up suddenly

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Speaker 2: with you know, drugs and assault charge anything else. I

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Speaker 2: a life going forward. You're right about the civil charges.

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Speaker 2: They still will be brought. The preponderance of the evidence

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Speaker 2: substantial verdict there. That would be a financial penalty, not

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Speaker 2: First of all, my concern is New York City. I

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you I think on the suffering enough, have

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Speaker 2: we suffered enough under this clay You're not gonna have cops,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're right. I would encourage him to move

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Speaker 1: to a different state. He's free now. I understand he's

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Speaker 1: Does somebody try to do something to him, same concern

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Speaker 1: I had with Kyle Rittenhouse. By the way, when you're

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Daniel Pennedy would be a very welcome

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Speaker 2: addition to say South Florida, to perhaps Tennessee, to see where.

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Speaker 1: I think people would be happy to have him.

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Speaker 2: There are some there are some places that as an

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of states would welcome him, a

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Speaker 2: lot of the populations. I agree with you that New

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Speaker 2: go somewhere where he's But you know, we're getting a

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Speaker 2: they didn't I mean, Clay, this could have gone the

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Speaker 2: depressing to everybody in New York. You know, I still

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I think a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. A lot

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Speaker 1: Driving along beside the Syria border all day yesterday and

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Speaker 2: on this hour, we will have Kirsten Fleming from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Reacting to a variety of

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Speaker 1: big news stories here on Monday. Daniel Penny not Guilty

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Speaker 1: far of Monday. We're reacting to it. Daniel Penny, Jordan

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Speaker 2: He was menacing subway riders, threatening to kill someone and

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Speaker 5: I just want to say, I missed my son. My

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Speaker 3: What are we going to do? People?

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Speaker 5: What's going to happen to us now that the system

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Speaker 5: is rigged? Two more people? Let's do something.

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Speaker 3: About this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is Jordan Neely's dad. Systems rigged. Let's do

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Speaker 2: There's there's always the part of me and I think

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Speaker 2: When he says the system is rigged, Clay, it was

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Speaker 3: Like, what.

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Speaker 2: Reform do? What reform do they want? The prosecutors tried

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Speaker 2: to ruin Daniel Penny's life and they failed. The reform

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be what have different jurors, different citizens

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Speaker 2: passing judgment.

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Speaker 1: We'll play the audio for you because the New York

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Speaker 1: BLM leader has demanded retaliation, and we'll play that audio

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Speaker 1: for you. But yes, I think unfortunately, because of the

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Speaker 1: identity politics universe created by the Democrats, which is crumbling

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Speaker 1: around them, they believe that Daniel Penny should be guilty

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Speaker 1: because he is a because he is a white guy,

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Speaker 1: and because the individual that he choked was black, that's

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Speaker 1: all that matters to them. That's the entirety of this story.

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Speaker 1: I think, Buck, they're not wrong in thinking that that's

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Speaker 1: all it takes. Because if you look at the Derek

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Speaker 1: Chauvin case we talked about this last week, in the

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Speaker 1: Memphis case, which was infinitely worse the Tyree Nichols case,

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Speaker 1: when it was black police officers killing in cold blood

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Speaker 1: Tyree Nichols. I think if you watch that video, police

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Speaker 1: are not perfect. Sometimes they engage in criminal behavior.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes they are criminal.

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Speaker 1: In that case, perfect example. That's right, nothing happened. They're

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Speaker 1: actually on tape beating him to death. There was no

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Speaker 1: pre crime that was in any way connected to their

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Speaker 1: interaction with Tyree Nichols. Tyrie Nichols, there's no statues doing

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Speaker 1: to my knowledge, nobody protested by and large because the

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Speaker 1: race angle wasn't in play, and the race angle was

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Speaker 1: in play here, and to me, this is evidence that

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Speaker 1: maybe the racial dynamics they aren't working. We'll see, but

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Speaker 1: calling for riots, we'll see if BLM is dead or not.

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Speaker 3: In New York.

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Speaker 2: I think we're at a point now in the country, especially

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Speaker 2: given the election that we just had and the trajectory

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Speaker 2: of more minority voters coming along to Trump's side. Not

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Speaker 2: as many as we would like, we would like all

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Speaker 2: minority voters to come over to Trump's side, but roughly

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Speaker 2: fifty to fifty in the Hispanic vote did better with

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Speaker 2: the black vote vote than any Republican in a long time.

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Speaker 2: I think we're at a time where we could start to say,

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Speaker 2: we could establish a first principle that in our justice system,

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Speaker 2: that racial resentment is not the way to approach criminal justice,

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Speaker 2: that these determinations that are made, well, this person's this color,

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Speaker 2: that person's that color, So the facts of the case

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Speaker 2: and the reality of the statutes shouldn't matter as much,

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Speaker 2: or shouldn't matter the same way. That has to end.

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Speaker 2: That has to stop the people who are only angry

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Speaker 2: when there is a use of force incident where it's

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Speaker 2: a white person involved with a black person right using force,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a cop or in this case, a civilian,

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Speaker 2: there's something wrong with their thinking, Okay, it should be

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Speaker 2: a human being acted this way against another human being.

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Speaker 2: What does the law say, what are the facts of

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Speaker 2: the case and what is justice? These uh, these groups,

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Speaker 2: these racial grievance groups that pop up outside of these trials,

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Speaker 2: and some of these uh, these you know, fraudsters who

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Speaker 2: all they do is they show up and they care

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Speaker 2: so much about the family because they want a piece

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Speaker 2: of the payout. You know that they professionally do this.

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Speaker 2: They show up and they demand that society effectively pay

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Speaker 2: them off. And we all know some of these some

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Speaker 2: of the names of these people.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: That has worn very thin and should wear much thinner

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Speaker 2: in the years ahead because it doesn't make anyone better off.

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Speaker 2: All it does is poison society, and it poisons us

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Speaker 2: against each other. And the fact that they're trying to

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Speaker 2: fan the flames of racial resentment once again in New

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Speaker 2: York City is a disgrace. This was not about race,

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Speaker 2: except for the people who make it about race. This

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Speaker 2: is about justice and the law, and I think justice

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Here'ston Fleming

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Speaker 2: of the New York Post has been covering every day

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Speaker 2: of the trial. She was in the courtroom when the

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Speaker 2: not guilty verdict was read. Here's some thanks for being

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Speaker 2: back with us. Just take us into what it was like,

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Speaker 2: what it's like inside the courtroom in those moments, and

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Speaker 2: what you're hearing outside as well.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because this morning, by the way, thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me on. But it's interesting because this morning I

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Speaker 3: had filed my column, had talked about that one one

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Speaker 3: little thing I noted was that there wasn't that many

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Speaker 3: protesters there anymore because they were really loud for the

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Speaker 3: opening statements, but this morning it was really amped up, loud, agitated,

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Speaker 3: and so the whole morning was really the lawyers fighting

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Speaker 3: over you know, fighting over the protests, and the defense

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Speaker 3: had asked for mistrial because of it, you know, the

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Speaker 3: jurors are able to hear it. There's bull worn. This

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Speaker 3: time there was actually some pro Penny protesters, which I

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Speaker 3: didn't hear, so that kind of set the scene, you know, early,

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Speaker 3: Like the first thing that we did this morning was

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Speaker 3: listened to this this back and forth about the protests

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Speaker 3: and if it was affecting the jury or not. And

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Speaker 3: the judge said to the defense that he wasn't going

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Speaker 3: to grant the mistrial, but if you wanted him to

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Speaker 3: speak to the jury, he can say, I want, you know,

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Speaker 3: but just a reminder to ignore whatever you're hearing from outside,

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Speaker 3: because they were saying things like subway strangler, no jug

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Speaker 3: like its no justice, no peace, no, you know, one

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Speaker 3: of those types of things. And so it was it

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Speaker 3: was pretty intense in the courtroom to begin with. So

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Speaker 3: we set the stage with that, the protests kind of

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Speaker 3: quiet down, and then we get a note about like

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Speaker 3: half an hour later and they have a verdict and

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Speaker 3: it was very quick.

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Speaker 1: Sorry go ahead, no, no, no, I was just going

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Speaker 1: to say, we opened up the show when they dismissed

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Speaker 1: the higher verdict. That is the more severe punishment I expected.

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Speaker 1: The best case scenario for Daniel Penny was a mistrial

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Speaker 1: because the jury couldn't come to an agreement. Were you

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Speaker 1: surprised that the jury came to an agreement to render

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Speaker 1: him not guilty. What sort of reaction did that provoke

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom. What did it run counter to maybe

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Speaker 1: your expectations, and certainly it did mine maybe other people

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom as well.

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Speaker 3: Well. I think it was a shock because some people

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Speaker 3: were saying, we're going to expect to hung on this

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Speaker 3: one as well, and you know, it was all that

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Speaker 3: you know, everybody's talking about. Well, you know, there was

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Speaker 3: still one issue that was the justifications of Lynch Pinbull,

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Speaker 3: So people were not necessarily seeing that not guilty, especially

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Speaker 3: pretty early in the morning. So when it came out,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's like this build up, right, It's like

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Speaker 3: a month and a half of sitting in that courtroom

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they have a note

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Speaker 3: and it's done like that, so people were not people.

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Speaker 3: No one really knew what was going to happen. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was really suspenseful, and when they said not guilty,

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Speaker 3: there was cheers that broke out. The judge had to

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Speaker 3: come to order. Jordan Neely's father, who has just filed

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Speaker 3: a lawsuit against Daniel Penny last week, before the verdict

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Speaker 3: was even out, started yelling and we don't know what

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Speaker 3: he was saying, but he was escorted out. Hawk Newsom,

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Speaker 3: who is the BLM representative of New York, she started

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Speaker 3: to you know, they got up and they were all

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Speaker 3: jib or dabbering, and he said something like small world, buddy,

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Speaker 3: like a good son of very threatening, and then his

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Speaker 3: sister said, this is a racist f in country and

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Speaker 3: they were all escorted out. And then another woman, an

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Speaker 3: older black woman who I've never really seen before. She

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Speaker 3: may have been there, but I really didn't recognize her.

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Speaker 3: She started wailing, like wailing like she was at you know,

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Speaker 3: someone's casket. I mean, it was it was really really

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Speaker 3: intense and really dramatic, and they escorted all of them out.

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Speaker 2: What are they saying outside the court room. I've seen

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Speaker 2: some audio from the kind of the mob or the

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Speaker 2: protesters or whatever that have gathered out there. Some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff that I've heard, Kirsten is ominous, especially as

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Speaker 2: somebody who has a lot of family and friends who

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Speaker 2: still live in New York City.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they had, you know, the Neely party,

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Speaker 3: which consists of some family members as fathers, father's attorney,

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Speaker 3: and some of the BLM people. They were holding a

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Speaker 3: press conference outside, and you know, some of the stuff

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Speaker 3: that I heard from Hawk Newsom is that you know,

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Speaker 3: he's talking about if they're going to let white vigilanteism occur,

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Speaker 3: we need to respond with black vigilanteism, which was you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously quite severe.

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Speaker 1: We've got the audio for people out there. We're going

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Speaker 1: to play that for you later in the show. Also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of awful racist things being

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Speaker 1: said by BLM New York. Do you get to bucks point, Kirsten,

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Speaker 1: do you get the sense that that this is ominous

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Speaker 1: and there's something more coming based on the vibe around

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Speaker 1: the courthouse. I mean, it's early in the day. BLM

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Speaker 1: is trying to call for some for some violence. What's

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Speaker 1: your take on that. I know it's difficult to predict

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Speaker 1: but what do you have the sense of?

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Speaker 3: So this is my the point of my column today.

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Speaker 3: I really feel like in twenty twenty three, in May,

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Speaker 3: when they when this story was first first, when this happened,

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Speaker 3: this story was framed as this racist white vigilant he

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Speaker 3: chokes out poor Michael Jackson impersonator, and you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: our institutions are captured and everything sort of ensued from there.

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Speaker 3: But I think the woke fever has really broken and

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Speaker 3: there's been very There was probably the people who were

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Speaker 3: outside screaming. It's the same people who have been at

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Speaker 3: some of the anti Israel stuff, you know, and it

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Speaker 3: was probably about like fifteen people screaming at the police,

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Speaker 3: you know, So it didn't I just feel like they've

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Speaker 3: lost the sort of there's an empanthasy there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it could be different this time around.

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Speaker 2: Kirsten for the Kirsten Fleming for New York Post, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Thank you for covering this trial.

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Speaker 2: I think that it was really important that people had

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Speaker 2: a sense all along of what was going on there,

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Speaker 2: and you're reporting on it was excellent. So thank you

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Speaker 2: for being here with us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, guys, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Claia, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make a prediction about this, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is where we were some years ago.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to result in the

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Speaker 2: kind of you know, national panic that happened after George Floyd.

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Speaker 2: We'll see tough to tough to see what the activists are,

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Speaker 2: tough to know what the actors is going to do.

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Speaker 2: We've got some updates on this United Healthcare shooter. We've

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Speaker 2: also got a very important interview from Israel where Clay is,

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Speaker 2: and we'll update you on what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East, the security situation coming up