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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to give

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Speaker 1: you our reaction to the news that Lamar Jackson did

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Speaker 1: not win his third MVP. Josh Allen took the honor,

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Speaker 1: and quite frankly disappointed and surprised, I thought that it

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Speaker 1: was trending in Lamar's way. He was first team All Pro,

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Speaker 1: he won the NFLPA honors as the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league this year, has voted on by other players

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Speaker 1: around the league, and it looked like Lamar was destined

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Speaker 1: for MVY three and that was not the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a really interesting MVP year. When you

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Speaker 2: go back and you look at the entire year, Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen was kind of leading the way, and then over

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Speaker 2: the course of the last month of the season, Lamar

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Speaker 2: chipped away at that, and then it flipped to in

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Speaker 2: this offseason where Lamar was. Then he went from Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen leading away from much of the year, became basically

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Speaker 2: a dead heat during the final few weeks of the season,

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Speaker 2: and then Lamar surpassed him just from a betting odds

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Speaker 2: and public perception standpoint, And so then going into it,

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Speaker 2: I think everybody was thinking, this is Lamar's to lose.

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Speaker 2: He was First Team All Pro. That same group of

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Speaker 2: voters is who votes for the MVP. So that same

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Speaker 2: group of voters voted for Lamar to be the First

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Speaker 2: Team All Pro quarterback, but then voted for Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: to be the MVP. So like they split the vote there.

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Speaker 2: In that sense, MVP is it's a little bit arbitrary

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Speaker 2: because you're voting on the value of a player.

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Speaker 1: Which is valuable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they have a different definition of who the best

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Speaker 1: player was and who the most valuable player is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it's disappointing when you when you think

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Speaker 2: Lamar has a chance to be the three time MVP.

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Speaker 2: There's not been many of them in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: He would have been the seventh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's like, man, you miss out on

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Speaker 2: joining a really rare group of players.

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Speaker 1: He's already in very rare company.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course rare. I don't think like, I don't

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Speaker 2: think that this and anyway takes away from the season

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Speaker 2: that he had. I just think honestly, Lamar Jackson and

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen both had terrific seasons. They were awesome this year.

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Speaker 2: They've been two of the best quarterbacks they came into

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Speaker 2: the league at the same time, they've been two of

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Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks throughout their careers. They're always going to

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Speaker 2: be compared to each other. And I think that probably

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Speaker 2: this is maybe more of a perception, but maybe the

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Speaker 2: voters felt like Lamar's got to it's Josh's time, it's

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Speaker 2: his year. He had a great season, he was terrific.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people expected the Bills to be down

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Speaker 2: and he willed them to be the second seed in

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Speaker 2: the AFC, and it was a great year for him.

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Speaker 2: So it's his time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that this comes down to two factors,

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Speaker 1: one of which that you mentioned. I think there probably

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Speaker 1: was an element of voter fatigue with Lamar winning the MVP,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, he did it again. He

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Speaker 1: was awesome again. But like, Josh has been so good

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Speaker 1: so many years and has always come up short. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like there was to a degree, the all right,

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Speaker 1: it's time to give Josh some accolades, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I think that that the

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Speaker 1: feel good Awards here, right, and I think that that

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Speaker 1: should have been removed. So I disagree with the voters

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Speaker 1: in that regard. And then I think that to my

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Speaker 1: earlier point, it's about its value and how you define value,

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Speaker 1: and I disagree with the voters on that as well,

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Speaker 1: because to say that Lamar Jackson wasn't incredibly value to

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and the Ravens offense because Derrick Henry was

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Speaker 1: in the backfield, are you kidding me? I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you take Lamar Jackson out of this offense, it's not

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Speaker 1: even close to what it is. Yeah, and Lamar makes

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Speaker 1: Derek better, just like Derek makes Lamar better. Right, But

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Speaker 1: like you remove lam you cannot overstate the importance and

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Speaker 1: the value of Lamar Jackson to the Ravens offense. He

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Speaker 1: makes the whole thing go. And Derreck Henry was a

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Speaker 1: great piece to that. But like goodness gracious, Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: say Derrick Henry helped advance Lamar in this offense. But

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Speaker 1: that's the reason why Lamar Jackson threw. That's not the

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Speaker 1: only reason. But Lamar Jackson won the MVP the prior

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Speaker 1: year without Dereck Henry this year. Okay, you can make

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Speaker 1: the case they were better because of Dereck Henry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he threw for five hundred more yards, he threw seventeen

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Speaker 1: more touchdowns, he threw three less interceptions, he ran for

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Speaker 1: made him better, but he was that much better than

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Speaker 1: he was last year when he won the MVP, And

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna give him to him this year? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it's crazy. I just think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's too much as based on the preseason predictions of

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Speaker 1: what the Bills were gonna be. Who cares what the preseason?

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Speaker 1: What you thought they were going to be in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: and let's stop acting like the Bills didn't have offensive

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Speaker 1: weapons around Josh Allen too. I mean clear, Shakir put

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. They get traded for Amari Cooper, a bona fide,

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Speaker 1: you know, top tier wide receiver for many years in

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Speaker 1: the league. At mid season, Yeah, you know, he had

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Speaker 1: so like, why are we pretending like the weapons in

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo had no weapons around him? That's just a

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Speaker 1: false narrative to me James Cook in the badfield. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have the season Derek Henry had, But James

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Speaker 1: Cook is a really good running back, and Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: I just think that's not I I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: I think that it's really challenging when you're quantifying value.

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Speaker 2: And part of the case that people make for Allen

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Speaker 2: is what you just said, like, remove these guys from

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Speaker 2: their teams. Where would the Bills be without Josh Allen?

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Speaker 2: Where would the Ravens be without Lamar Jackson? But then

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Speaker 2: you're trying to basically this hypothetical, Like the argument moves

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Speaker 2: away from the field and the stats and the numbers

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Speaker 2: and the performance individual and team, and it enters into

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Speaker 2: this vague hypothetical world of what the team would look

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Speaker 2: like without that player. And like, we've seen what.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens have looked like without Lamar Jackson when he

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Speaker 1: was injured years it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't great. Now of course, like team's different.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have all the all the qualifiers you want

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Speaker 2: RAS be much worse without Lamar or Josh Allen, Like

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Speaker 2: that's obvious. How much worse. I think that that's like,

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Speaker 2: that's something I'm not really interested in seeing, first of all,

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Speaker 2: but literally impossible. It's impossible to say, and I don't

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Speaker 2: really think that should be part of the argument to

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Speaker 2: make the decision on MVP. From a stats standpoint, like

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Speaker 2: Lamar had a better statistical season than Josh, I don't

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Speaker 2: think that there's any case against that. Lamar led the

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Speaker 2: NFL in a variety of categories. I've got some of

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Speaker 2: them right here. Passer ready, he finished the season with

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Speaker 2: a one nineteen point six passer rating, is top ten

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Speaker 1: He went into the regular season finale with a chance

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Speaker 1: to have the highest passer rating in NFL history. Historically

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Speaker 1: good season in terms of quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: Yes, now he didn't finish with the number one overall,

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Speaker 2: but he's still top ten all time for quarterback season,

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Speaker 2: and he was number one in that category this year.

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Speaker 2: Yards per pass attempt, number one, touchdown to interception differential,

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Speaker 2: forty five. So that's just some of those categories there

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Speaker 2: he led the team, and then you talk about he

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Speaker 2: led the league in those categories, and then you talk

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Speaker 2: about team performance and the Bills in the Ravens were

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Speaker 2: neck and neck. The Bills finished second in the league

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Speaker 2: in the AFC, the Ravens finished third. Of course, they

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Speaker 2: had a head to head matchup in Week four. Ravens

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Speaker 2: won that one definitively.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, this is a regular season award. The

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Speaker 1: Bills in over the Ravens in the postseason does not

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Speaker 2: It just really interesting to me that when the vote

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Speaker 2: came in from the AP voters for the AP All

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Speaker 2: Pro teams and Lamar came in as the First Team

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Speaker 2: All Pro Quarterback, I was like, Oh, it's a rap.

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Speaker 2: It's a rap, because this is the same group of

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Speaker 2: named First Team All Pro Quarterback and not winning MVP

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Speaker 2: because you're going up in the gets player in the

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Speaker 2: same category, same position, and so how are you above

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Speaker 2: in one area and not in the other. But that's

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Speaker 2: what we have here.

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Speaker 1: They slipped the baby. Yeah, I want to know. Was

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Speaker 1: there any conversations going on. I wants voters to say,

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Speaker 1: this is how we're going to split this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it's like I'm suspicious going back

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Speaker 2: to what we said earlier in terms of like, hey,

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Speaker 2: there may be was a sense that, like, it's Josh's year.

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Speaker 2: He's been awesome, He's been a great player throughout his career.

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Speaker 2: Lamar's won it twice already, He's already got to it.

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Speaker 2: It's Josh's time.

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Speaker 1: But it's crazy that all of those voters, right, I

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Speaker 1: of them, well, no, no, what I'm gonna say is

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Speaker 1: every single one of them would say that Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: had a better twenty twenty four season than he did

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And then he did in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: when he won it both times, Yeah nine and was

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Speaker 1: nearly he was unanimous one year and missed it by

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Speaker 1: one vote the previous season. Yeah so, and this was

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Speaker 1: his best year and he didn't win it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, because you thought that Josh Allen and the Bills

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's that's difficult too, because the field is

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Speaker 2: not the same. The field is different year. Each year

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Speaker 2: he's going up against different talent, and so the argument

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Speaker 2: would be that, well, Josh Allen had a much better

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Speaker 1: Is, did Josh Allen because his stats were better the

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Speaker 1: previous year. I know, he threw for six hundred fewer yards.

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Speaker 1: He just threw for a lot less interceptions than he ran,

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Speaker 2: Much more efficient player, and then he was excellent around

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Speaker 2: the goal line, and those rushing touchdowns, which matter, they

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Speaker 2: were significant. The Ravens know that firsthand how good he

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Speaker 2: is around the goal line, and that's a significant part

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Speaker 2: of it. I think that, Like you've seen this in

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Speaker 2: other sports. Lebron James has played for one hundred years

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Speaker 2: in the NBA, He's won four MVPs. Like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: little and part of it goes to the voter fatigue

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Speaker 1: Andre Johnson, you know, Chris Carter all got in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had to wait. So they had to wait,

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Speaker 2: They had to wait, And so I think that it's

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Speaker 2: not when you again you just look at the recent history.

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Speaker 1: Trelones had to wait and he has the third most

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Speaker 1: receiving yards all time, like you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like when you look at the recent history

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Speaker 2: at wide receiver, I don't think it's that surprising. But

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Speaker 2: I also think that he's going to get in eventually,

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Speaker 2: and hey, maybe there'll be a year here where it's

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Speaker 2: it's all three of them. That's a heck of a

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Speaker 2: party in Kitton where you have you have sizzl Suggs

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Speaker 2: or Sizzle, Steve Smith and yonda all there.

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Speaker 1: All we didn't want these guys to get in until

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Speaker 1: we and also in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So it's all it's all part for next year. It's

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Speaker 2: all set and it's a storyline San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Let's go have a big old party on San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: just like you know Ogden got in yuh and it

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Speaker 1: was just Ogden is Ogden in twenty twelve yeah and

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve yeah, so similar to that. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: all fuel for the fire field and fire right exactly.

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