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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: Episode we'll discuss the reasons we now know that our
Speaker 3: loved ones have survived physical death, and so will we.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Are you familiar with
Speaker 3: the words introvert, extrovert, ego, unconscious. They come from the
Speaker 3: field of psychology, and in particular from Swiss psychologist doctor
Speaker 3: Carl Jung. We'll hear a few of his words today
Speaker 3: and I'll even tell you why he believed in the afterlife.
Speaker 3: We'll also talk to modern day psychologist doctor Amy Robbins
Speaker 3: and her belief in life after life. But before we
Speaker 3: dive into that, I'd like to start with just a
Speaker 3: few words about fear. You and I are living in
Speaker 3: a very tough time right now and uncertain about the future.
Speaker 3: Our human minds have this nasty habit of looking into
Speaker 3: the future and worrying about it. Have you noticed that
Speaker 3: there is a lot of good in your life and
Speaker 3: that there is is a lot for us to be
Speaker 3: grateful for? But why do we worry and concentrate on
Speaker 3: the what ifs that may happen in the future as
Speaker 3: opposed to living in the present or being aware of
Speaker 3: the good things we have in life. I'm here to
Speaker 3: tell you that it's not your fault and that is
Speaker 3: just a byproduct of being human. However, we don't have
Speaker 3: to have fear, doubt, and worry run our lives. Let
Speaker 3: me ask you how old are you right now? Go ahead,
Speaker 3: answer the question. Have you had things in the past
Speaker 3: that you were fearful or worried about? How do you
Speaker 3: feel about those issues now? If you're anything like me,
Speaker 3: which I think you are, there has been a ton
Speaker 3: of fearful and worrisome things that we've dealt with in
Speaker 3: the past, but you know we have survived them. In fact,
Speaker 3: we've learned, grown and become more wise. We may have
Speaker 3: even helped a few people with what we've learned along
Speaker 3: in our journey. So whatever may be cause you fear
Speaker 3: or worry today, I'm going to ask you just to
Speaker 3: relax a bit and trust you, however old you are,
Speaker 3: have survived this long. Let's try to live in the present,
Speaker 3: do the best things we can with the things that
Speaker 3: we have control over, and let's trust that our future
Speaker 3: selves can handle anything that comes our way. A quote
Speaker 3: by doctor Carl Jung for the hero, fear is a
Speaker 3: challenge and a task because only boldness can deliver from fear,
Speaker 3: and if the risk is not taken, the meaning of
Speaker 3: life is violated. Carl Gustav Jung was one of psychology's
Speaker 3: pioneering figures in the twentieth century. He was a radical,
Speaker 3: an inspirational psychologist and thinker who developed a characteristic and
Speaker 3: unique way of understanding the human psyche and its functioning.
Speaker 3: He was born in eighteen seventy five and passed in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one. Certain of his concepts and terms have
Speaker 3: entered into our everyday language, such as introversion and extroversion, complexity,
Speaker 3: and archetype. More significantly, he founded a system of thought
Speaker 3: which has directly helped many people and indirectly influence many more,
Speaker 3: as well as having entered and influenced mainstream culture with
Speaker 3: his psychology, Jung's most famous idea was his recognition of
Speaker 3: the psychological value of spiritual experience. He believed that the
Speaker 3: human psyche had three parts, the ego, personal, unconscious, and
Speaker 3: collective unconscious. Before we go on, I'd like to play
Speaker 3: a few minutes of doctor Carl Jung speaking from nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty nine, and then I'll tell you about his near
Speaker 3: death experience. He begins by saying, we are not so
Speaker 3: about the end.
Speaker 2: We are not quite certain about it.
Speaker 4: And because you know, there are these peculiar faculties of
Speaker 4: the psyche, that it isn't entirely confined to space and time.
Speaker 4: You can have dreams or visions of the future. You
Speaker 4: can hear round corners and such things. Only eaglemants deny
Speaker 4: these facts. Now, these facts show that the psyche, in
Speaker 4: part at least, is not dependent upon these confinements. And
Speaker 4: then what when the psyche is not under that obligation
Speaker 4: to live in time and space alone, and obviously it doesn't.
Speaker 4: Then to that extent the psyche is not superitted to
Speaker 4: those us. And that means a practical continuation of life,
Speaker 4: of a soft of psychede existence beyond time and space.
Speaker 4: I don't allow myself, for instance, to believe either think
Speaker 4: just for the sake of believing it.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. But when there are sufficient reasons for.
Speaker 4: A certain hypothesis, I shall accept these reasons naturally, I
Speaker 4: should say, we have to reckon with the possibility. I
Speaker 4: have treated many old people, and it's quite interesting to
Speaker 4: watch what the Organs is doing with the fact that
Speaker 4: his apparent is written with a complete end. It disregards it.
Speaker 4: Life behaves as if it were going on. So I
Speaker 4: think it is better for all people to live on,
Speaker 4: to look forward to the next day, as if he
Speaker 4: had to spend centuries, and then he lives properly. But
Speaker 4: when he is afraid, when he doesn't look forward, and
Speaker 4: he looks back to Petrivie, and he dies before his time.
Speaker 4: But when he's living on looking forward to the great adventure,
Speaker 4: that is ahead than he lives. And that is about
Speaker 4: what the of courseus is intending to do. Of course,
Speaker 4: it's quite obvious that you're all going to die, and
Speaker 4: this is sick, the said finale of everything. But nevertheless,
Speaker 4: there is something in us that doesn't believe it. Apparently,
Speaker 4: but this is merely a factor of psychological fact. And
Speaker 4: so when you think in a certain way, you may
Speaker 4: feel considerably better. When I think of my patients, they
Speaker 4: all seek their own existence and to assure their existence
Speaker 4: against that complete atomization into nothingness or into meaninglessness. Man
Speaker 4: cannot stand a minerless life. We need more psychology, We
Speaker 4: need more of understanding of human nature, because the only
Speaker 4: real danger that exists is man himself. He is the
Speaker 4: great danger, and we are pitifully unaware of it.
Speaker 2: We know nothing of man. Far too litdo.
Speaker 3: In nineteen forty four, famous psychologist Karl Jung slipped on
Speaker 3: some ice and broke his foot. While he was in
Speaker 3: the hospital, he suffered a heart attack. He hung onto
Speaker 3: the edge of death as doctor's battle to save him.
Speaker 3: His nurse described his unconscious body as being surrounded by
Speaker 3: a strange glow of light. When he regained his senses,
Speaker 3: Carl Jung spoke of a vivid series of visions. He
Speaker 3: believed he had experienced what we now know as a
Speaker 3: near death experience. He said, at first he was floating
Speaker 3: one thousand miles above the earth. He felt as free
Speaker 3: as a bird about to leave orbit. Then, as quick
Speaker 3: as a flash, a huge black temple caught his attention.
Speaker 3: At the temple's entrance, Yung saw a Hindu man sitting
Speaker 3: cross legged. As he neared the temple, he felt that
Speaker 3: everything artificial in his personality was being stripped away. All
Speaker 3: that remained was something he described as the essential Jung.
Speaker 3: He knew that within the temple, the ultimate mystery of
Speaker 3: his existence and life's purpose would be revealed. He was
Speaker 3: about to cross the threshold when he stopped in his tracks.
Speaker 3: Rising up to pull him back to his earthly existence
Speaker 3: was the King of Costs, the Greek god of medicine.
Speaker 3: He explained to Jung that he had no right to
Speaker 3: leave the earth and that he must return. Upon hearing this,
Speaker 3: Jung awoke from his near death experience. He always would
Speaker 3: recall the sting of disappointment at being brought back to earth.
Speaker 3: He wrote, Life and the whole world struck me as
Speaker 3: a prison. I had been so glad to shed it all.
Speaker 3: For three weeks, Jung could take no pleasure in earth
Speaker 3: wa life, but he slowly began to take comfort from
Speaker 3: his visions. For Locke to Within was a valuable lesson
Speaker 3: in his professional life. As a psychologist. Yung argued that
Speaker 3: our unconscious mind consists of both personal experiences and those
Speaker 3: that we inherited from our ancestors, which he called the
Speaker 3: collective unconscious. Jung believed the collective unconscious contains universal images
Speaker 3: which are eternal and which we all instinctively know. He
Speaker 3: called those images archetypes and claimed that he saw some
Speaker 3: of them during his near death experience. For the rest
Speaker 3: of his days, Jung would stress that his near death
Speaker 3: experience came from something real and eternal. He wrote, it
Speaker 3: was only after the illness that I understood how important
Speaker 3: it is to understand one's destiny. Doctor Carl Jung came
Speaker 3: to believe that life is but a segment of existence,
Speaker 3: and that what happens after death is so unspeakably glorious
Speaker 3: that our imagination and our feelings do not suffice to
Speaker 3: form even an approximate conception of it. If you've followed
Speaker 3: shades of the afterlife for a while, or if you've
Speaker 3: read my book We Don't Die, a skeptics Discovery of
Speaker 3: life after death. You know I talk about that inner voice,
Speaker 3: that inner critic that we all have judging everything that's
Speaker 3: coming in to our occurring world. Well, those are just
Speaker 3: other words for the ego or the ego mind. Pay
Speaker 3: attention to yours right now? What is it saying? It
Speaker 3: might have just said, where is she going with this?
Speaker 3: Or is there a break coming up? Or what shall
Speaker 3: we have for dinner tonight? That little voice translates everything
Speaker 3: that's coming in. It's very busy, isn't it, thinking about
Speaker 3: the past, the future, worrying, being fearful, making judgments. It
Speaker 3: is in those times that we learn to quiet that
Speaker 3: voice that we can connect with that collective unconscious. We've
Speaker 3: heard many guests in the past talk about the power
Speaker 3: of quieting the mind, the power of meditation, and connecting
Speaker 3: to their loved ones. All of these concepts go back
Speaker 3: to doctor Carl Jung. We're going to continue our episode
Speaker 3: now with psychology and the afterlife, and when we get
Speaker 3: back from the break, I will introduce you to a
Speaker 3: modern day clinical psychologist named doctor Amy Robbins. And we'll
Speaker 3: hear her take about psychology and life after death. We'll
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
Speaker 3: and today we're talking about psychology and the afterlife. Now,
Speaker 3: I'd like to introduce you to doctor Amy Robbins, who
Speaker 3: is a clinical psychologist, a consciousness expert who has learned
Speaker 3: evidential mediumship. She herself has had her own transformative experience
Speaker 3: and is so interested in this topic she has created
Speaker 3: her well known podcast, Life, Death and the Space Between.
Speaker 3: Meet doctor Amy Robbins.
Speaker 7: I'm a clinical psychologist. I have a private practice in Chicago,
Speaker 7: more of a traditional psychology practice, although over the years,
Speaker 7: you know, it's a really interesting kind of parallel path
Speaker 7: I've been on, and only probably in the past five
Speaker 7: years did I allow those paths to really intersect. I'll
Speaker 7: tell you the whole backstory here. When I was eighteen
Speaker 7: years old, I lost my loved aunt. She was like
Speaker 7: a second mother to me. I was eighteen, she was
Speaker 7: forty seven. She was waiting for a kidney and pancreas transplant.
Speaker 7: She had juvenile on that diabetes from a young age
Speaker 7: and had complications throughout her life. While she was waiting
Speaker 7: for the kidney and pancreas transplant, they found out that
Speaker 7: she had had several heart attacks and they needed to
Speaker 7: repair her heart in order to get her prepared for
Speaker 7: the transplant. She had been on dialysis for a long time,
Speaker 7: and when she went in for the heart surgery, her
Speaker 7: heart had been just way too damaged, and she died
Speaker 7: on the table. They couldn't get her heart back. So
Speaker 7: I got the dreaded call that I'm sure so many
Speaker 7: people who have listened to this podcast or you've spoken to,
Speaker 7: or we've heard of, or we've experienced, right, that call
Speaker 7: that someone you love has died. I was a freshman
Speaker 7: in college at the time. This was really the first
Speaker 7: what I call out of order death in my life.
Speaker 7: It wasn't a grandparent that would have made sense, but
Speaker 7: she was a young I mean, she was like my
Speaker 7: mom right, young, vibrant, and it really really shook me.
Speaker 7: And in ways I only think I realized, having gone
Speaker 7: through grad school and done a lot of my own work,
Speaker 7: realized the impacts of that. I got on with my life.
Speaker 7: But I started having significant anxiety, and my guess is now,
Speaker 7: in looking back, a lot of it was just the
Speaker 7: unresolved grief and the stories I had told myself about
Speaker 7: her life and my life and the similarities that we had.
Speaker 7: And she was the oldest of three. I was the
Speaker 7: oldest of three. She had a younger sister and brother.
Speaker 7: I had a younger sister and brother. So I had
Speaker 7: told myself all these stories about how my life was
Speaker 7: going to be like hers or not be like hers,
Speaker 7: And I kind of made it my mission that I
Speaker 7: was never going to end up like her. She had
Speaker 7: gone through a really bad divorce. She was stay at
Speaker 7: home mother at the time. That resulted in her needing
Speaker 7: to go back to work in a job where the
Speaker 7: conditions for her illness weren't great, like they didn't have
Speaker 7: great heating and because of her diabetes, she had circulation issues.
Speaker 7: And I just really was like, hell bent, I am
Speaker 7: not going to end up like her, and that drive
Speaker 7: really led to a lot of anxiety. So fast forward
Speaker 7: to graduate school. I had decided, after like a lot
Speaker 7: of deep therapeutic work, that I wanted to go back
Speaker 7: to graduate school for psychology. And my second year in
Speaker 7: graduate school was around the time her son was getting
Speaker 7: married and I was on a traditional psychology track. There
Speaker 7: was nothing spiritual about anything I was doing. It was
Speaker 7: like they didn't even really talk that much. I think
Speaker 7: there was one spiritual class Psychology of spirituality or something.
Speaker 7: Shortly before my cousins her son's wedding, I had what
Speaker 7: I now know was a visit from her where she
Speaker 7: came to me. She showed me an image of my
Speaker 7: mom standing at the kitchen sink in the house I
Speaker 7: grew up in, and she said, tell your mom not
Speaker 7: to be upset. I'll be at the wedding. And then
Speaker 7: I saw another image of my uncle pushing my cousin
Speaker 7: in a stroller, and she said, tell him. I hear
Speaker 7: him when he talks to me when he's outside walking
Speaker 7: or running. I know he's talking to me. I woke up.
Speaker 7: I looked at my husband and I said, Aunt Linda
Speaker 7: was just here and at the same time as her energy,
Speaker 7: like I remember kind of seeing her leave the room,
Speaker 7: and my dog started barking so loudly. This was like
Speaker 7: it probably six or seven in the morning. It always
Speaker 7: happens to me because this has happened quite often where
Speaker 7: I'm in that like state of brainwave state when I
Speaker 7: wake up and then I fall back to sleep right
Speaker 7: before you get up in the morning. So I called
Speaker 7: my mom and I said, Mom, I had this. I
Speaker 7: only knew the word dream at the time. I had
Speaker 7: this crazy dream that Aunt Linda said, don't be sad,
Speaker 7: don't be upset. She's going to be at the wedding.
Speaker 7: And my mom started to cry and she said I
Speaker 7: was standing at my kitchen sink last night and I
Speaker 7: was talking to her and I said to her, I
Speaker 7: cannot believe you're not going to be at the wedding. Well,
Speaker 7: of course I was dumbfounded. She was dumbfounded, but didn't
Speaker 7: know what to make of it. Then I called my uncle,
Speaker 7: who is an orthopedic surgeon. So I come from a
Speaker 7: family of physicians. My grandfather's a doctor, he was a pediatrician.
Speaker 7: My uncle's an orthopedic surgeon. My father's a dentist. They're
Speaker 7: very materialist thinkers. Right, there is no wo anywhere, although
Speaker 7: I will say my mom and my grandmother my grandmother
Speaker 7: has passed, but very intuitive women. They would never say
Speaker 7: they connect with the dead, but they just have great
Speaker 7: intuition and always have about people. So I call my
Speaker 7: uncle and I tell them the same thing. And about
Speaker 7: his part, I says, she hears you when you talk
Speaker 7: to her, And he says, I'm always talking to her
Speaker 7: when I'm out walking or running. That's the time where
Speaker 7: I communicate with her. I think, okay, well this is interesting.
Speaker 7: And I go to school day and I happened to
Speaker 7: have a professor who I knew was interested in indigenous
Speaker 7: healing practices. But she was also very, very psychologically grounded
Speaker 7: in traditional psychoanalytic or psychodynamic therapy. And I told her
Speaker 7: what happened, and she said to me, I think you're
Speaker 7: opening up to something. She's like, I have the name
Speaker 7: of a medium friend. I want you to call her now.
Speaker 7: That wasn't in my repertoire really back. This was like
Speaker 7: twenty five twenty six years ago, and I didn't think
Speaker 7: anything of it, and I kind of put it to
Speaker 7: the side. And then my grandfather died. This was several
Speaker 7: years later, and it happened again, and then I started
Speaker 7: having experiences with patients loved ones. I saw it, Okay,
Speaker 7: I don't know what's happening to me, but there's something more.
Speaker 7: And then it really started to become a bit intrusive,
Speaker 7: like my lights in my house were going on and
Speaker 7: off and full circuits coming down. And I thought, okay,
Speaker 7: I have to get a handle on it. Situation because
Speaker 7: I would be in yoga class and I would start
Speaker 7: hearing the names of people in like back corner, right left,
Speaker 7: and I was like, I don't know how to control this,
Speaker 7: but it has to stop and this can't be how
Speaker 7: I live. And so I did. I went to see
Speaker 7: a medium. I worked with a medium for a couple
Speaker 7: of years to try to understand and control and set
Speaker 7: boundaries and open up and close down and do all
Speaker 7: the things that mediums teach you in terms of what
Speaker 7: happens when you're opening up, and how to protect your space,
Speaker 7: and how to be really intentional, because spirit will come
Speaker 7: in wherever there's an opening. You know, if you leave
Speaker 7: your door open all day long, you're going to get
Speaker 7: some bugs, and you're going to get some flies, and
Speaker 7: you might even get a person. And if you live
Speaker 7: in the city like I do, you could get a rat.
Speaker 7: And so you don't just want to leave yourself open
Speaker 7: in that way. I worked with her for two and
Speaker 7: a half years. Now, this parallel path is no one
Speaker 7: knows that this is happening for me. And I'm now
Speaker 7: a new mom and I have a therapy practice and
Speaker 7: I have patients coming to me for all kinds of issues, grief, loss,
Speaker 7: relationship issues, old wounds, traumas, all of that. And I'm
Speaker 7: starting to use in some way these intuitive hits that
Speaker 7: I'm getting, whether it be I have task life where
Speaker 7: I'll see like an image of something that I think
Speaker 7: is a past life where I can go in and
Speaker 7: see where someone is specifically stuck and bring that into
Speaker 7: the room. But I'm not yet really clear how this
Speaker 7: looks in everyday practice, Like I'm not saying to people
Speaker 7: I think you had a past life or your dead
Speaker 7: grandma's here. I'm just sort of subtly using it to
Speaker 7: test out whether I'm right or wrong. Then I moved
Speaker 7: to doing my medium internship. Because I value training and
Speaker 7: making sure that you are an integrity to what you do.
Speaker 7: I decided I would do medium readings for friends and
Speaker 7: family for what was supposed to be one month ended
Speaker 7: up being like three and a half and did readings, readings, readings,
Speaker 7: and I realized one I was always nervous that I
Speaker 7: was going to get it wrong, and so that definitely
Speaker 7: impacted my abilities. But the other side was it felt
Speaker 7: like a part of the puzzle was missing because I'm
Speaker 7: so used to doing this deeper work with people that
Speaker 7: it felt like just showing up and saying, yeah, your
Speaker 7: grandmother's here, and they really love you and they miss you.
Speaker 7: I did have an experience in a reading where I
Speaker 7: was reading for a friend and her father in law
Speaker 7: came through and I gave some messages for her husband,
Speaker 7: and her father in law showed me this image of
Speaker 7: this ring, this blue ring with a blue stone on it.
Speaker 7: I told this to my friend. She went back to
Speaker 7: her husband and he said, I don't know what you're
Speaker 7: talking about. My dad didn't wear jewelry. He goes home
Speaker 7: for the weekend to visit his mother. His mother as
Speaker 7: soon as he gets there, walks into the room and says,
Speaker 7: you know, I just found this of your dad's and
Speaker 7: I feel like he would want you to have it.
Speaker 7: And it was the ring exit as I had described it.
Speaker 7: And so it was like these moments where I was like, what,
Speaker 7: this is unbelievable, and I don't want to just be
Speaker 7: the person that says, here's the ring from your dad.
Speaker 7: Isn't that cool? Which it is, And I think that
Speaker 7: this work can be incredibly healing in that way, But
Speaker 7: I also always have that question of so, now, what
Speaker 7: what do you do with this information now that you
Speaker 7: have it. It's great that my aunt came to visit me,
Speaker 7: and I do believe that there is more that happens
Speaker 7: after we die, that our soul goes on, that this
Speaker 7: is not the end. But then how do you use
Speaker 7: that in your life? And that's really where the intersection
Speaker 7: has happened for me, is these experiences are amazing and
Speaker 7: they really do bring magic to life. I was moving
Speaker 7: in this direction because when I decided I didn't want
Speaker 7: to be a medium, and my psychology practice is my
Speaker 7: practice and I enjoy that, but I felt like I
Speaker 7: needed to share this part of myself. I needed the
Speaker 7: people to know it was okay. They have these experiences.
Speaker 7: They are very powerful. They can help you heal, they
Speaker 7: can help you find magic in the universe and the world,
Speaker 7: and a time where it seems like the world is
Speaker 7: so heavy, there's something really joyful about having these connected
Speaker 7: experiences with call it whatever you want, loved one, spirit, guides, angels,
Speaker 7: the universe, source God, whatever works for you. So I
Speaker 7: decided to start my podcast because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: similar to you, you're a skeptic. I was a skeptic.
Speaker 7: I never believed in this stuff. I would have said
Speaker 7: this is not real, even when I've had my own
Speaker 7: medium readings, even when I've gone to see mediums, which
Speaker 7: I've gone with my husband, so we can experience some
Speaker 7: of this and maybe become kind of a believer. I
Speaker 7: feel like when you have the experience yourself. There's no
Speaker 7: getting away from it. And so what my work now
Speaker 7: feels like is helping people cultivate their own relationships with
Speaker 7: their own spirituality. Whatever that looks like.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 3: right back with more, Doctor Amy Robbins. You're listening to
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and we're with clinical psychologist doctor Amy Robbins, and she's
Speaker 3: sharing about her husband and herself going to a medium
Speaker 3: and the unique experiences we all have that leave no
Speaker 3: other explanation than connecting with our deceased loved ones. Let's continue.
Speaker 7: I feel like when you have the experience yourself, there's
Speaker 7: no getting away from it. And so what my work
Speaker 7: now feels like is helping people cultivate their own relationships
Speaker 7: with their own spirituality, whatever that looks like, to have
Speaker 7: these similar experiences, because they are so profound. It is
Speaker 7: incredible to be able to have conversation with the universe
Speaker 7: in a way that feels like you are in lockstep
Speaker 7: with what your soul is here to do. And that's
Speaker 7: really where now I feel like I'm shifting again into
Speaker 7: that space of trying to put out more offerings, taking
Speaker 7: what I know from psychology and how our early relationships
Speaker 7: shape us and how we carry that throughout our lives
Speaker 7: and the stories we tell ourselves about that, but then
Speaker 7: bringing in for me what has been really the most
Speaker 7: healing work has been the spiritual work, because Once I
Speaker 7: had that experience with my aunt, my anxiety dissipated. I
Speaker 7: was no longer walking around and feeling anxious all the time,
Speaker 7: or feeling like I needed to control everything. There was
Speaker 7: a letting go process for me that allowed me freedom.
Speaker 7: We're in a mental health crisis right now. I think
Speaker 7: we're in a spiritual crisis right now. I think we
Speaker 7: have lost our connection to ourselves. Lisa Miller, who I
Speaker 7: just interviewed last week at the Mental Health America Conference,
Speaker 7: talks about religion on one side, it's like with a
Speaker 7: Venn diagram, spirituality on the other, and then there's a
Speaker 7: small overlap. This doesn't have to be religious, It can
Speaker 7: be spiritual in all kinds of other ways. And I
Speaker 7: really am passionate about helping people find for themselves what
Speaker 7: that looks like. I'm not even here to tell you that.
Speaker 7: I think you need to believe that there's an afterlife.
Speaker 7: That is my truth, but that doesn't need to be
Speaker 7: someone else's truth. But that doesn't mean they can't find
Speaker 7: magic and awe in this incredible world in which we live.
Speaker 3: That's right, I know for me. Had I visited you
Speaker 3: for as an appointment as a psychologist over twenty five
Speaker 3: years ago and you brought up life after Death, I
Speaker 3: would have left. It would be one of those weird people.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to know about you. We're each
Speaker 3: on our journey of unvolvement and at different times, in
Speaker 3: different lives, we're at different places with your So I
Speaker 3: always say, mainstream patients, if all of a sudden, what
Speaker 3: are their loved ones pops up? Are you at a
Speaker 3: place to test the waters to see if they're open.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So obviously I have this podcast that's pretty out
Speaker 7: there for people. So when I started the podcast, I
Speaker 7: reached out to several of the doctors who refer me.
Speaker 7: I live in Chicago, like I said, a lot of
Speaker 7: doctors from the hospital systems in the area will refer
Speaker 7: patients to me. And I said, look, I just want
Speaker 7: you to know I'm putting out this podcast, and I
Speaker 7: want you to know what it's about, because if you're
Speaker 7: recommending me and you have a patient who looks me up.
Speaker 7: And when I started, they're really wasn't even the internet
Speaker 7: the way it is, and there was certainly no social media.
Speaker 7: I mean, no one had phones, right, so it wasn't
Speaker 7: a big deal. But you know, in the last five years,
Speaker 7: it has become that and I wanted them to know
Speaker 7: that this was a part of me, and they all said,
Speaker 7: oh great, okay. And I was a little worried that
Speaker 7: it would impact my practice, but it didn't. The patients
Speaker 7: that I had I never told that I had a
Speaker 7: podcast out, so the old patients kind of maybe would
Speaker 7: find out on there and like sometimes they would be
Speaker 7: listening to another podcast and then it would be like,
Speaker 7: this is recommended for you and everything. And there are
Speaker 7: some people that I know pretty clearly because I do
Speaker 7: ask in my intakes, like what spiritual practices do have?
Speaker 7: What do you believe happens to us after we die?
Speaker 7: If someone is grieving, I'll ask that question so I
Speaker 7: can kind of gauge it a little bit like that.
Speaker 7: There's been a few people where their loved ones have
Speaker 7: come in and been very very very pushy with me,
Speaker 7: where I've then said, you know, I feel I'm still
Speaker 7: always tentative with it too, like I'm still like is
Speaker 7: this information? Am I making this up? So I'll say
Speaker 7: I think I might have information for you from a
Speaker 7: loved one, how would you feel about me sharing that?
Speaker 7: And then usually they'll be like, oh yeah, I please.
Speaker 7: It does not happen often, and for me, it really
Speaker 7: feels like I almost liken it to like a switch
Speaker 7: on either side of my brain, and I can very
Speaker 7: much feel on my right side when that information is
Speaker 7: coming through, and when it comes through so strongly, I
Speaker 7: can't think about anything else. I can't even access the
Speaker 7: left side of my brain to do therapy. It feels
Speaker 7: like it is all here and it is just coming
Speaker 7: in and it's blocking me from being able to do
Speaker 7: anything else but share that information. Again, this doesn't happen
Speaker 7: to me often, and so I leave it up to people.
Speaker 7: But I never push my belief system on my patients
Speaker 7: because it's my job. My job is to help them
Speaker 7: open and explore what their belief systems are, what they
Speaker 7: think happens, what their spiritual experiences are, and for them
Speaker 7: to begin to open up in that way. Do that
Speaker 7: make sense?
Speaker 3: Makes perfect sense. My hope is in time, more people
Speaker 3: in physical health and mental health take a course or
Speaker 3: two in your psychic abilities and mediumship and all that,
Speaker 3: and you never have to tell people that side of you,
Speaker 3: but to get that intuitive communication that's coming from your
Speaker 3: soul and coming from the unseen world, just what a
Speaker 3: gift that would be working with people, Like you said,
Speaker 3: they don't ever have to know what your beliefs are,
Speaker 3: but what an impact you can make. And I just
Speaker 3: have this vision that your people on the other side,
Speaker 3: your loved ones, your guides, whoever, feel like, Okay, she's
Speaker 3: a warrior for helping people have the best life possible.
Speaker 3: How can we best work with her? They're working with
Speaker 3: you and making a difference that way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what it feels like, and it's really exciting.
Speaker 7: One more fun story, I'll tell this. This patient knows
Speaker 7: that this happened, so she wanted to be pregnant, and
Speaker 7: I knew that she was pregnant, and she kept going
Speaker 7: and kept taking tests and she was like, I don't
Speaker 7: know what's going on. And I never said anything because
Speaker 7: that was a space where like I didn't want to
Speaker 7: be wrong, of course, to give someone hope like that.
Speaker 7: And then she kept saying I don't understand, like, I
Speaker 7: don't know what's going on. I'm not pregnant, I'm not pregnant,
Speaker 7: and in my mind I was like, I know she is.
Speaker 7: And then suddenly one week, like a month later, she
Speaker 7: came She's like, I'm pregnant and I was like, I know,
Speaker 7: she's like you did, I said, I did.
Speaker 3: Great, let's talk a bit about grief. A lot of
Speaker 3: people that come to this show, well, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of pain there. Grief, to me is the worst pain
Speaker 3: any of us will feel. And if you're listening right
Speaker 3: now and going through that, we are here for you.
Speaker 3: And I also know you, like me, believe that facing
Speaker 3: death can't open us up spiritually in so many different ways.
Speaker 3: If we were to have a little mini session and
Speaker 3: I'm grieving or someone listening is could you just shed
Speaker 3: some light a little bit about grief and life and
Speaker 3: death and some words from doctor Amy.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think that no matter what you believe, if
Speaker 7: you lose someone you love, it is going to be
Speaker 7: excruciatingly painful. There's just no way around that. I say
Speaker 7: all the time, if something God forbid happened to my children,
Speaker 7: to my husband, this belief system is not going to
Speaker 7: shield me from that. I have to walk through that
Speaker 7: pain and I have to know that this new way
Speaker 7: of feeling, this grief is going to live with me now.
Speaker 7: It's just part of who I am moving forward, you know,
Speaker 7: just like the loss of my a is a part
Speaker 7: of me and other losses that I've experienced, miscarriages, things
Speaker 7: along those lines are a part of me now. And
Speaker 7: I do think that having this belief that the relationship
Speaker 7: can go on, that it's going to look different, softens
Speaker 7: it a little bit, but it doesn't make it any
Speaker 7: less painful. There's no way around that if you believe that.
Speaker 7: And I know you've had people on the show that
Speaker 7: I've talked about soul contracts and those things, and I'm
Speaker 7: not someone that is like, oh, well, you chose that,
Speaker 7: so here we are like, I think that's very, very
Speaker 7: dismissive of people's feelings in the moment. If we can
Speaker 7: look at those as obstacles and ways to grow and
Speaker 7: deepen our relationships with ourself and with the people that
Speaker 7: we love and that we care about, then grief can
Speaker 7: be a real opportunity to grow and learn and feel
Speaker 7: being human. You can't get around grieving. And that's what
Speaker 7: I was going to say about soul contracts. We did
Speaker 7: make a choice, I believe to be here to incarnate
Speaker 7: in this life and this time now. And so why
Speaker 7: did we do that? What is that about? What are
Speaker 7: these experiences here to help us to learn and grow?
Speaker 7: So our soul can keep learning and growing over time,
Speaker 7: but grief doesn't go away. Think about Elizabeth Koublaros's stages
Speaker 7: of grief as like the five stages start to finish,
Speaker 7: you move through them. They were never meant for the grieving,
Speaker 7: they were meant for the dying. And we don't move
Speaker 7: through anything in life as linear. We are spiraling, and
Speaker 7: we are always coming back and growing and coming back
Speaker 7: and growing. And I love this image of a spiral
Speaker 7: because the spiral is sacred geometry. And that's how I
Speaker 7: think of how we transform is through looking in, looking out,
Speaker 7: looking and looking out, and we're constantly evolving over time.
Speaker 7: And I think grief is not just about death. I
Speaker 7: have a child that's getting ready to go to college now,
Speaker 7: share I'm already grieving the loss of her and her
Speaker 7: life and her moving on and our family and what
Speaker 7: it's going to look like and all of those things,
Speaker 7: and those are very real. That's grief and loss, just
Speaker 7: like the death of someone is grief and loss. Divorce, moving,
Speaker 7: new jobs, babies, loved ones, dying, pets, all of that
Speaker 7: is grief and loss, all of it. And so I
Speaker 7: think that when we can start to integrate grief into
Speaker 7: our daily life, rather than thinking about it as it's
Speaker 7: something that happens to me when someone dies, than when
Speaker 7: someone dies it's not as scary because you're like, oh,
Speaker 7: I've done this before. It's we're just building emotional muscle,
Speaker 7: and when you build emotional muscle, you're stronger every time
Speaker 7: it happens. That doesn't mean that some of those grief
Speaker 7: loss experiences aren't more painful than others. Life is always
Speaker 7: about grief and loss.
Speaker 3: It is most definitely you know, you mentioned Elizabeth Kobler
Speaker 3: Ross and I just featured her story on a recent
Speaker 3: episode of Shades of the Afterlife, and many people don't
Speaker 3: know is just a couple of years after she gave
Speaker 3: those five Stages of dying. She was a skeptic, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, patients would see loved ones in
Speaker 3: the room with them, you know, those deathbed visitations. She
Speaker 3: studied twenty thousand near death experiences. She was a believer,
Speaker 3: gave her whole life to that. Let's take a quick
Speaker 3: break and we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and we're here with clinical psychologist doctor Amy Robbins talking
Speaker 3: about psychology and the afterlife. Let's continue.
Speaker 7: There are a lot of people in the psychological space.
Speaker 7: Young and being the first right who always talked about
Speaker 7: synchronicities and the spiritual side of psychology and archetypes. And
Speaker 7: he was really a pioneer, and there is a branch
Speaker 7: of Jungian therapy, Jungian psychology you can study, you can
Speaker 7: do young in psychoanalysis. But it really got quieted by
Speaker 7: Freud and a lot of the other kind of disciples
Speaker 7: post Freud, and he was pushed to the side. And
Speaker 7: in the same way that Elizabeth Koobler Roth's stories have
Speaker 7: been pushed after Dath experience stories are not as known.
Speaker 7: I don't know why. I think it really minimizes people's experiences.
Speaker 7: I'm sure there are tons of your listeners right now
Speaker 7: who have had experiences similar to mine who have been
Speaker 7: in therapy before and who have never brought it up
Speaker 7: to their therapist because they're afraid of what their therapist
Speaker 7: might think, rather than feeling like this could be an
Speaker 7: opportunity maybe as a therapist for the therapists to help
Speaker 7: them cultivate what could be a new relationship with their
Speaker 7: loved one. And it's not delusional, and it's not crazy,
Speaker 7: and it's not making someone believe that their loved one
Speaker 7: is not here anymore, because I think you have to
Speaker 7: accept your loved one is not here in a physical
Speaker 7: body anymore, and the relationship is going to look different,
Speaker 7: But that doesn't mean you can't still cultivate some connection
Speaker 7: to someone. And maybe that connection is around memories and
Speaker 7: lighting a candle on their birthday, but maybe it's about more.
Speaker 7: I want people to be okay with the about more.
Speaker 7: And I think one of the side of effects of
Speaker 7: my podcast has been the number of clinicians that have
Speaker 7: reached out to me secretly and said, I want to
Speaker 7: know more, Where can I learn more? How can I
Speaker 7: incorporate this into some of my clinical work. I have
Speaker 7: these intuitive hits too, because if you're connected with your
Speaker 7: patients intuitively, you are going to know things. I know
Speaker 7: things sometimes before they walk in the door. I know
Speaker 7: what they're going to talk about. I know what they're
Speaker 7: going to say. Not always, but sometimes, And so that's
Speaker 7: an opportunity to even deepen the healing work more than
Speaker 7: what we're already doing. I think that obviously, like anything,
Speaker 7: you have to be careful. As you know, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of Charlatan's out there. People claim that they can
Speaker 7: do these things, and I do believe like you that
Speaker 7: we all have this ability within us. But I think
Speaker 7: there are people who take advantage. But that's in any
Speaker 7: field anywhere doing anything. I think unfortunately people in this
Speaker 7: space get a bad name because they say there's less
Speaker 7: science behind it, but I don't know. I mean, there's
Speaker 7: a lot of people who have researched this over the years,
Speaker 7: and a lot of people who have had these experiences.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and there's so much fear amy. I know
Speaker 3: for myself, it took everything I had to write my
Speaker 3: book and then come public to my community people at work.
Speaker 3: I was so scared what people would think. And there
Speaker 3: hasn't well, there was one there was one person who
Speaker 3: was born again Christian took me prayed for me, let's
Speaker 3: get the demons out of Sandra. Okay, I said, thank you,
Speaker 3: you know what am I going to do? But everybody
Speaker 3: else embraced it. Everybody would tell me stories that they've had.
Speaker 3: People would come up to me that were maybe had
Speaker 3: breast cancer or some illness. There's some of them lost
Speaker 3: a child and wanted to know more. So we're culture
Speaker 3: of believers all around the world, but that fear has
Speaker 3: us convinced that we can't talk about it. We're going
Speaker 3: to lose friends, We're going to lose credibility, so we
Speaker 3: stay quiet. So I'm thrilled that there's people like you
Speaker 3: and your podcasts that you're being open about it, and
Speaker 3: I dig the fact that other therapists are coming to
Speaker 3: you wanting to know more. Talk about the podcast.
Speaker 7: So the podcast is similar to yours, I think in
Speaker 7: many ways. So if you love your podcast, you'll probably
Speaker 7: love my podcast. It is an exploration, I say, of life, death,
Speaker 7: consciousness and what it all means. So I'm always looking
Speaker 7: at things from the psychological and the spiritual lens and
Speaker 7: trying to bring that into the work. So I interview mediums,
Speaker 7: near death experiencers, consciousness experts, scientists, I look at alternative
Speaker 7: healing practices because I don't think that there is one
Speaker 7: way to heal. And that's something that I think as
Speaker 7: I've grown in clinical work, I now am able to
Speaker 7: see and not hopefully any person you're working with does
Speaker 7: not believe that their way of doing things is the
Speaker 7: only way, because that's probably a cult. And I don't
Speaker 7: think of myself as a healer. I think of myself
Speaker 7: as someone who helps people heal, and so I have
Speaker 7: exposed myself to like so many different healing modalities because
Speaker 7: I want people to say, oh, wait, this resonates with me.
Speaker 7: I listen to your podcast and Sound Healing, and that
Speaker 7: really sounded like something that I felt that when I
Speaker 7: was listening to it, and so I'm going to give
Speaker 7: that a try and just be curious and be willing
Speaker 7: to experiment. I talk about all different modalities of clinical
Speaker 7: traditional clinical psychology, I talk about energy psychology. I talk
Speaker 7: about Chinese medicine and the Tao, and I try to
Speaker 7: cover as much as I can so people can then
Speaker 7: kind of pick and see what might work for them.
Speaker 7: And my favorite part of the podcast, ghost Stories, I
Speaker 7: do so people share their own stories of connecting with
Speaker 7: loved ones or having these mystical, magical experiences that are
Speaker 7: profound for them and help them in their grief. This
Speaker 7: is my favorite part of what I do is being
Speaker 7: able to talk to people and hear their stories because
Speaker 7: there's power in stories.
Speaker 3: Absolutely remind us of the name of the podcast and
Speaker 3: where we can find it.
Speaker 7: Sure it's life, Death and the space between. You can
Speaker 7: find it anywhere you get your podcasts and then YouTube.
Speaker 7: You can follow me on Instagram at doctor Amy Robbins.
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Can people work with you one on one? Somebody
Speaker 3: might know in their heart, I'd love to have an
Speaker 3: appointment with this lady. Is that something you do?
Speaker 7: So I do spiritual consultations, but I don't do psychotherapy work.
Speaker 7: I really prefer to see people in person. So if
Speaker 7: they are in Chicago and I happen to have an opening,
Speaker 7: certainly reach out. But right now my practice is pretty false.
Speaker 7: But I do do the one off spiritual consultations and
Speaker 7: so it gives an opportunity to work with me in
Speaker 7: that way.
Speaker 3: I know. There's so many words of wisdom on your podcast.
Speaker 3: You talk to great guests, you listen to their stories,
Speaker 3: but you also sprinkle a little salt and pepper of
Speaker 3: a great Amy wisdom in them as well. What can
Speaker 3: we find on your website, Doctor Amy Robbins dot com
Speaker 3: twobs in Robins.
Speaker 7: You can find my podcasts, you can find out more
Speaker 7: about my course, and you can find out just how
Speaker 7: I work and how I think about this work. And
Speaker 7: I really hold integrity and authenticity very close, very dear.
Speaker 7: It's two values that are really important to me. I
Speaker 7: hope that that comes through because I always say, like,
Speaker 7: if my patients ever saw me outside of the therapeutic space,
Speaker 7: I never would want them to think, who is that woman?
Speaker 7: I don't recognize her right like? I want to be
Speaker 7: the same fully integrated person wherever it is that I go.
Speaker 7: Long time, I wasn't because I didn't feel like I
Speaker 7: could talk about that. But now that I feel like
Speaker 7: I do, I feel like I'm just continuing to move
Speaker 7: more towards that fully integrated person. And I think that
Speaker 7: that comes through in my website where you can see
Speaker 7: it all. You can find out all about me and
Speaker 7: the podcast and talking to dead people once in a
Speaker 7: while and doing the traditional psychotherapy as well, so it's
Speaker 7: all there.
Speaker 3: So great. In a moment, I'm going to ask you
Speaker 3: for some closing inspirational words for our listeners, something that
Speaker 3: they can use for today and carry with them. But
Speaker 3: before I do, you mentioned integrity and authenticity, and just
Speaker 3: from me foundations of everything. Integrity gives us power, be
Speaker 3: your word, do the things you said you would do
Speaker 3: if something can't happen, be honest about it, Be honest
Speaker 3: to yourself. The people that have had the most success
Speaker 3: in life in the most people that really honor and
Speaker 3: respect them. Integrity is at the core, and that authenticity,
Speaker 3: that self expression. It took me a heck of a
Speaker 3: long time to get that. That is the key to
Speaker 3: the kingdom. That we don't have to pretend to be smarter,
Speaker 3: or better looking or have it all together. The world
Speaker 3: loves you when you can be just who you are.
Speaker 3: You're one of a kind. You're special, good, bad, and indifferent.
Speaker 3: We are who we are, and we trust people who
Speaker 3: are open and authentic. So that's just my two cents
Speaker 3: on integrity and authenticity. So back over to you. What
Speaker 3: would you like to share it to leave with our
Speaker 3: listeners today.
Speaker 7: So as you were talking, I think two things came
Speaker 7: to mind. One is I believe that the most spiritual
Speaker 7: thing you can do is to know yourself and that
Speaker 7: that is a long, deep journey that I don't think
Speaker 7: we ever get to the end of until we die
Speaker 7: and then beyond. So I think that, and I also
Speaker 7: think as you were talking, what came up in my
Speaker 7: mind was show up. No, show up for yourself first
Speaker 7: and foremost, and then everything else will show up for you.
Speaker 7: But if you can't show up for yourself, nothing else
Speaker 7: is going to show up for you.
Speaker 3: Doctor Amy Robbins, thank you so much for being our
Speaker 3: guest today.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Sancha. I really appreciate it, and I'm so
Speaker 7: happy to be in connection with you and have a
Speaker 7: new friend.
Speaker 3: I love that it's just the beginning. We need to
Speaker 3: join like minded people and get their stories out into
Speaker 3: the world. It really helps I know that the tipping
Speaker 3: points going to occur and that we can see therapists
Speaker 3: and doctors, everybody tapping into their spiritual side. I think
Speaker 3: that's really a wonderful way to look at the future.
Speaker 3: For you, dear listener, I want to thank you for
Speaker 3: taking the time to be here. I really do being
Speaker 3: open for these conversations. Remember that ego is so strong
Speaker 3: and it wants to convince you that these things aren't real.
Speaker 3: Here's an example of how mean it can be. When
Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning and you'll look in
Speaker 3: the mirror, what does it say, how radiant and glowing
Speaker 3: and wonderful you are. No, it'll pick out the wrinkles
Speaker 3: and the gray hair and the extra weight. It is
Speaker 3: not there to be your champion. It is just part
Speaker 3: of life. But we can quiet the mind and tap
Speaker 3: into all of it. I want to remind you you
Speaker 3: can check out doctor Amy Robbins dot com and her
Speaker 3: podcast Life, Death and the Space Between. Don't forget to
Speaker 3: come to my website, we Don't Die dot com. If
Speaker 3: you don't yet have a copy of my book, just
Speaker 3: scroll to the bottom of the main page and to
Speaker 3: your name and your email address. It says it's just
Speaker 3: the first few chapters, it's the whole book. We have
Speaker 3: some new medium and special classes starting open to everybody,
Speaker 3: and of course our free Sunday gathering with medium a
Speaker 3: demonstration included. I want to leave you with one line
Speaker 3: quote from doctor Carl Jung. He says, where there is fear,
Speaker 3: there is your task. So whatever brings you fear, walk
Speaker 3: right into it. And I promise you there's magic on
Speaker 3: the other side. They say fear means false evidence, appearing real.
Speaker 3: I understand it. Everything's going to be okay. I'm Sandra
Speaker 3: Champlain and from the bottom of my heart, thank you
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