1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the supernatural. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: And the unexplained. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Get ready now for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: Episode we'll discuss the reasons we now know that our 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: loved ones have survived physical death, and so will we. 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Are you familiar with 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: the words introvert, extrovert, ego, unconscious. They come from the 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: field of psychology, and in particular from Swiss psychologist doctor 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: Carl Jung. We'll hear a few of his words today 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 3: and I'll even tell you why he believed in the afterlife. 20 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: We'll also talk to modern day psychologist doctor Amy Robbins 21 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: and her belief in life after life. But before we 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: dive into that, I'd like to start with just a 23 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: few words about fear. You and I are living in 24 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: a very tough time right now and uncertain about the future. 25 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: Our human minds have this nasty habit of looking into 26 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: the future and worrying about it. Have you noticed that 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: there is a lot of good in your life and 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: that there is is a lot for us to be 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: grateful for? But why do we worry and concentrate on 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: the what ifs that may happen in the future as 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: opposed to living in the present or being aware of 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: the good things we have in life. I'm here to 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: tell you that it's not your fault and that is 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: just a byproduct of being human. However, we don't have 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: to have fear, doubt, and worry run our lives. Let 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: me ask you how old are you right now? Go ahead, 37 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: answer the question. Have you had things in the past 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: that you were fearful or worried about? How do you 39 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: feel about those issues now? If you're anything like me, 40 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: which I think you are, there has been a ton 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: of fearful and worrisome things that we've dealt with in 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: the past, but you know we have survived them. In fact, 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: we've learned, grown and become more wise. We may have 44 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: even helped a few people with what we've learned along 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: in our journey. So whatever may be cause you fear 46 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: or worry today, I'm going to ask you just to 47 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: relax a bit and trust you, however old you are, 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: have survived this long. Let's try to live in the present, 49 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: do the best things we can with the things that 50 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: we have control over, and let's trust that our future 51 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: selves can handle anything that comes our way. A quote 52 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: by doctor Carl Jung for the hero, fear is a 53 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 3: challenge and a task because only boldness can deliver from fear, 54 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: and if the risk is not taken, the meaning of 55 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: life is violated. Carl Gustav Jung was one of psychology's 56 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: pioneering figures in the twentieth century. He was a radical, 57 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: an inspirational psychologist and thinker who developed a characteristic and 58 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: unique way of understanding the human psyche and its functioning. 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: He was born in eighteen seventy five and passed in 60 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty one. Certain of his concepts and terms have 61 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: entered into our everyday language, such as introversion and extroversion, complexity, 62 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: and archetype. More significantly, he founded a system of thought 63 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: which has directly helped many people and indirectly influence many more, 64 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: as well as having entered and influenced mainstream culture with 65 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: his psychology, Jung's most famous idea was his recognition of 66 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: the psychological value of spiritual experience. He believed that the 67 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: human psyche had three parts, the ego, personal, unconscious, and 68 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: collective unconscious. Before we go on, I'd like to play 69 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: a few minutes of doctor Carl Jung speaking from nineteen 70 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: fifty nine, and then I'll tell you about his near 71 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: death experience. He begins by saying, we are not so 72 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: about the end. 73 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: We are not quite certain about it. 74 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: And because you know, there are these peculiar faculties of 75 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 4: the psyche, that it isn't entirely confined to space and time. 76 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 4: You can have dreams or visions of the future. You 77 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: can hear round corners and such things. Only eaglemants deny 78 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: these facts. Now, these facts show that the psyche, in 79 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: part at least, is not dependent upon these confinements. And 80 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 4: then what when the psyche is not under that obligation 81 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: to live in time and space alone, and obviously it doesn't. 82 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: Then to that extent the psyche is not superitted to 83 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 4: those us. And that means a practical continuation of life, 84 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 4: of a soft of psychede existence beyond time and space. 85 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 4: I don't allow myself, for instance, to believe either think 86 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: just for the sake of believing it. 87 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. But when there are sufficient reasons for. 88 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: A certain hypothesis, I shall accept these reasons naturally, I 89 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: should say, we have to reckon with the possibility. I 90 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: have treated many old people, and it's quite interesting to 91 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 4: watch what the Organs is doing with the fact that 92 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 4: his apparent is written with a complete end. It disregards it. 93 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 4: Life behaves as if it were going on. So I 94 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: think it is better for all people to live on, 95 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 4: to look forward to the next day, as if he 96 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: had to spend centuries, and then he lives properly. But 97 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 4: when he is afraid, when he doesn't look forward, and 98 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: he looks back to Petrivie, and he dies before his time. 99 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 4: But when he's living on looking forward to the great adventure, 100 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 4: that is ahead than he lives. And that is about 101 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: what the of courseus is intending to do. Of course, 102 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: it's quite obvious that you're all going to die, and 103 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: this is sick, the said finale of everything. But nevertheless, 104 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: there is something in us that doesn't believe it. Apparently, 105 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: but this is merely a factor of psychological fact. And 106 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: so when you think in a certain way, you may 107 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: feel considerably better. When I think of my patients, they 108 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 4: all seek their own existence and to assure their existence 109 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 4: against that complete atomization into nothingness or into meaninglessness. Man 110 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: cannot stand a minerless life. We need more psychology, We 111 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: need more of understanding of human nature, because the only 112 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 4: real danger that exists is man himself. He is the 113 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: great danger, and we are pitifully unaware of it. 114 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: We know nothing of man. Far too litdo. 115 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: In nineteen forty four, famous psychologist Karl Jung slipped on 116 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: some ice and broke his foot. While he was in 117 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: the hospital, he suffered a heart attack. He hung onto 118 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: the edge of death as doctor's battle to save him. 119 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: His nurse described his unconscious body as being surrounded by 120 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: a strange glow of light. When he regained his senses, 121 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: Carl Jung spoke of a vivid series of visions. He 122 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: believed he had experienced what we now know as a 123 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: near death experience. He said, at first he was floating 124 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: one thousand miles above the earth. He felt as free 125 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: as a bird about to leave orbit. Then, as quick 126 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 3: as a flash, a huge black temple caught his attention. 127 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: At the temple's entrance, Yung saw a Hindu man sitting 128 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: cross legged. As he neared the temple, he felt that 129 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: everything artificial in his personality was being stripped away. All 130 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: that remained was something he described as the essential Jung. 131 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: He knew that within the temple, the ultimate mystery of 132 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: his existence and life's purpose would be revealed. He was 133 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: about to cross the threshold when he stopped in his tracks. 134 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: Rising up to pull him back to his earthly existence 135 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: was the King of Costs, the Greek god of medicine. 136 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: He explained to Jung that he had no right to 137 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: leave the earth and that he must return. Upon hearing this, 138 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: Jung awoke from his near death experience. He always would 139 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: recall the sting of disappointment at being brought back to earth. 140 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: He wrote, Life and the whole world struck me as 141 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: a prison. I had been so glad to shed it all. 142 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: For three weeks, Jung could take no pleasure in earth 143 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: wa life, but he slowly began to take comfort from 144 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: his visions. For Locke to Within was a valuable lesson 145 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: in his professional life. As a psychologist. Yung argued that 146 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: our unconscious mind consists of both personal experiences and those 147 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: that we inherited from our ancestors, which he called the 148 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: collective unconscious. Jung believed the collective unconscious contains universal images 149 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: which are eternal and which we all instinctively know. He 150 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: called those images archetypes and claimed that he saw some 151 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: of them during his near death experience. For the rest 152 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: of his days, Jung would stress that his near death 153 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: experience came from something real and eternal. He wrote, it 154 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: was only after the illness that I understood how important 155 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: it is to understand one's destiny. Doctor Carl Jung came 156 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: to believe that life is but a segment of existence, 157 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: and that what happens after death is so unspeakably glorious 158 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: that our imagination and our feelings do not suffice to 159 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: form even an approximate conception of it. If you've followed 160 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: shades of the afterlife for a while, or if you've 161 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: read my book We Don't Die, a skeptics Discovery of 162 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 3: life after death. You know I talk about that inner voice, 163 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: that inner critic that we all have judging everything that's 164 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: coming in to our occurring world. Well, those are just 165 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: other words for the ego or the ego mind. Pay 166 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 3: attention to yours right now? What is it saying? It 167 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: might have just said, where is she going with this? 168 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: Or is there a break coming up? Or what shall 169 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 3: we have for dinner tonight? That little voice translates everything 170 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: that's coming in. It's very busy, isn't it, thinking about 171 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: the past, the future, worrying, being fearful, making judgments. It 172 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: is in those times that we learn to quiet that 173 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: voice that we can connect with that collective unconscious. We've 174 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 3: heard many guests in the past talk about the power 175 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: of quieting the mind, the power of meditation, and connecting 176 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: to their loved ones. All of these concepts go back 177 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: to doctor Carl Jung. We're going to continue our episode 178 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: now with psychology and the afterlife, and when we get 179 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: back from the break, I will introduce you to a 180 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: modern day clinical psychologist named doctor Amy Robbins. And we'll 181 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 3: hear her take about psychology and life after death. We'll 182 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: be right back. 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Now, 200 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: I'd like to introduce you to doctor Amy Robbins, who 201 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: is a clinical psychologist, a consciousness expert who has learned 202 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: evidential mediumship. She herself has had her own transformative experience 203 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: and is so interested in this topic she has created 204 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: her well known podcast, Life, Death and the Space Between. 205 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: Meet doctor Amy Robbins. 206 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 7: I'm a clinical psychologist. I have a private practice in Chicago, 207 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 7: more of a traditional psychology practice, although over the years, 208 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 7: you know, it's a really interesting kind of parallel path 209 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 7: I've been on, and only probably in the past five 210 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 7: years did I allow those paths to really intersect. I'll 211 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 7: tell you the whole backstory here. When I was eighteen 212 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 7: years old, I lost my loved aunt. She was like 213 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 7: a second mother to me. I was eighteen, she was 214 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 7: forty seven. She was waiting for a kidney and pancreas transplant. 215 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 7: She had juvenile on that diabetes from a young age 216 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 7: and had complications throughout her life. While she was waiting 217 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 7: for the kidney and pancreas transplant, they found out that 218 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 7: she had had several heart attacks and they needed to 219 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 7: repair her heart in order to get her prepared for 220 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 7: the transplant. She had been on dialysis for a long time, 221 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 7: and when she went in for the heart surgery, her 222 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 7: heart had been just way too damaged, and she died 223 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 7: on the table. They couldn't get her heart back. So 224 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 7: I got the dreaded call that I'm sure so many 225 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 7: people who have listened to this podcast or you've spoken to, 226 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 7: or we've heard of, or we've experienced, right, that call 227 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 7: that someone you love has died. I was a freshman 228 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 7: in college at the time. This was really the first 229 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 7: what I call out of order death in my life. 230 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 7: It wasn't a grandparent that would have made sense, but 231 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 7: she was a young I mean, she was like my 232 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 7: mom right, young, vibrant, and it really really shook me. 233 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 7: And in ways I only think I realized, having gone 234 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 7: through grad school and done a lot of my own work, 235 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 7: realized the impacts of that. I got on with my life. 236 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 7: But I started having significant anxiety, and my guess is now, 237 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 7: in looking back, a lot of it was just the 238 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 7: unresolved grief and the stories I had told myself about 239 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 7: her life and my life and the similarities that we had. 240 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 7: And she was the oldest of three. I was the 241 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 7: oldest of three. She had a younger sister and brother. 242 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 7: I had a younger sister and brother. So I had 243 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 7: told myself all these stories about how my life was 244 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 7: going to be like hers or not be like hers, 245 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 7: And I kind of made it my mission that I 246 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 7: was never going to end up like her. She had 247 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 7: gone through a really bad divorce. She was stay at 248 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 7: home mother at the time. That resulted in her needing 249 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 7: to go back to work in a job where the 250 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 7: conditions for her illness weren't great, like they didn't have 251 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 7: great heating and because of her diabetes, she had circulation issues. 252 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 7: And I just really was like, hell bent, I am 253 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 7: not going to end up like her, and that drive 254 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 7: really led to a lot of anxiety. So fast forward 255 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 7: to graduate school. I had decided, after like a lot 256 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 7: of deep therapeutic work, that I wanted to go back 257 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 7: to graduate school for psychology. And my second year in 258 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 7: graduate school was around the time her son was getting 259 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 7: married and I was on a traditional psychology track. There 260 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 7: was nothing spiritual about anything I was doing. It was 261 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 7: like they didn't even really talk that much. I think 262 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 7: there was one spiritual class Psychology of spirituality or something. 263 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 7: Shortly before my cousins her son's wedding, I had what 264 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 7: I now know was a visit from her where she 265 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 7: came to me. She showed me an image of my 266 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 7: mom standing at the kitchen sink in the house I 267 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 7: grew up in, and she said, tell your mom not 268 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 7: to be upset. I'll be at the wedding. And then 269 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 7: I saw another image of my uncle pushing my cousin 270 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 7: in a stroller, and she said, tell him. I hear 271 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 7: him when he talks to me when he's outside walking 272 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 7: or running. I know he's talking to me. I woke up. 273 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 7: I looked at my husband and I said, Aunt Linda 274 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 7: was just here and at the same time as her energy, 275 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 7: like I remember kind of seeing her leave the room, 276 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 7: and my dog started barking so loudly. This was like 277 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 7: it probably six or seven in the morning. It always 278 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 7: happens to me because this has happened quite often where 279 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 7: I'm in that like state of brainwave state when I 280 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 7: wake up and then I fall back to sleep right 281 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 7: before you get up in the morning. So I called 282 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 7: my mom and I said, Mom, I had this. I 283 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 7: only knew the word dream at the time. I had 284 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 7: this crazy dream that Aunt Linda said, don't be sad, 285 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 7: don't be upset. She's going to be at the wedding. 286 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 7: And my mom started to cry and she said I 287 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 7: was standing at my kitchen sink last night and I 288 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 7: was talking to her and I said to her, I 289 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 7: cannot believe you're not going to be at the wedding. Well, 290 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 7: of course I was dumbfounded. She was dumbfounded, but didn't 291 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 7: know what to make of it. Then I called my uncle, 292 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 7: who is an orthopedic surgeon. So I come from a 293 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 7: family of physicians. My grandfather's a doctor, he was a pediatrician. 294 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 7: My uncle's an orthopedic surgeon. My father's a dentist. They're 295 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 7: very materialist thinkers. Right, there is no wo anywhere, although 296 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 7: I will say my mom and my grandmother my grandmother 297 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 7: has passed, but very intuitive women. They would never say 298 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 7: they connect with the dead, but they just have great 299 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 7: intuition and always have about people. So I call my 300 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 7: uncle and I tell them the same thing. And about 301 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 7: his part, I says, she hears you when you talk 302 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 7: to her, And he says, I'm always talking to her 303 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 7: when I'm out walking or running. That's the time where 304 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 7: I communicate with her. I think, okay, well this is interesting. 305 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 7: And I go to school day and I happened to 306 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 7: have a professor who I knew was interested in indigenous 307 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 7: healing practices. But she was also very, very psychologically grounded 308 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 7: in traditional psychoanalytic or psychodynamic therapy. And I told her 309 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 7: what happened, and she said to me, I think you're 310 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 7: opening up to something. She's like, I have the name 311 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 7: of a medium friend. I want you to call her now. 312 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 7: That wasn't in my repertoire really back. This was like 313 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 7: twenty five twenty six years ago, and I didn't think 314 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 7: anything of it, and I kind of put it to 315 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 7: the side. And then my grandfather died. This was several 316 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 7: years later, and it happened again, and then I started 317 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 7: having experiences with patients loved ones. I saw it, Okay, 318 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 7: I don't know what's happening to me, but there's something more. 319 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 7: And then it really started to become a bit intrusive, 320 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 7: like my lights in my house were going on and 321 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 7: off and full circuits coming down. And I thought, okay, 322 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 7: I have to get a handle on it. Situation because 323 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 7: I would be in yoga class and I would start 324 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 7: hearing the names of people in like back corner, right left, 325 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 7: and I was like, I don't know how to control this, 326 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 7: but it has to stop and this can't be how 327 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 7: I live. And so I did. I went to see 328 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 7: a medium. I worked with a medium for a couple 329 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 7: of years to try to understand and control and set 330 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 7: boundaries and open up and close down and do all 331 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 7: the things that mediums teach you in terms of what 332 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 7: happens when you're opening up, and how to protect your space, 333 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 7: and how to be really intentional, because spirit will come 334 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 7: in wherever there's an opening. You know, if you leave 335 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 7: your door open all day long, you're going to get 336 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 7: some bugs, and you're going to get some flies, and 337 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 7: you might even get a person. And if you live 338 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 7: in the city like I do, you could get a rat. 339 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 7: And so you don't just want to leave yourself open 340 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 7: in that way. I worked with her for two and 341 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 7: a half years. Now, this parallel path is no one 342 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 7: knows that this is happening for me. And I'm now 343 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 7: a new mom and I have a therapy practice and 344 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 7: I have patients coming to me for all kinds of issues, grief, loss, 345 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 7: relationship issues, old wounds, traumas, all of that. And I'm 346 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 7: starting to use in some way these intuitive hits that 347 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 7: I'm getting, whether it be I have task life where 348 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 7: I'll see like an image of something that I think 349 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 7: is a past life where I can go in and 350 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 7: see where someone is specifically stuck and bring that into 351 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 7: the room. But I'm not yet really clear how this 352 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 7: looks in everyday practice, Like I'm not saying to people 353 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 7: I think you had a past life or your dead 354 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 7: grandma's here. I'm just sort of subtly using it to 355 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 7: test out whether I'm right or wrong. Then I moved 356 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 7: to doing my medium internship. Because I value training and 357 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 7: making sure that you are an integrity to what you do. 358 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 7: I decided I would do medium readings for friends and 359 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 7: family for what was supposed to be one month ended 360 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 7: up being like three and a half and did readings, readings, readings, 361 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 7: and I realized one I was always nervous that I 362 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 7: was going to get it wrong, and so that definitely 363 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 7: impacted my abilities. But the other side was it felt 364 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 7: like a part of the puzzle was missing because I'm 365 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 7: so used to doing this deeper work with people that 366 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 7: it felt like just showing up and saying, yeah, your 367 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 7: grandmother's here, and they really love you and they miss you. 368 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 7: I did have an experience in a reading where I 369 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 7: was reading for a friend and her father in law 370 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 7: came through and I gave some messages for her husband, 371 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 7: and her father in law showed me this image of 372 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 7: this ring, this blue ring with a blue stone on it. 373 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 7: I told this to my friend. She went back to 374 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 7: her husband and he said, I don't know what you're 375 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 7: talking about. My dad didn't wear jewelry. He goes home 376 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 7: for the weekend to visit his mother. His mother as 377 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 7: soon as he gets there, walks into the room and says, 378 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 7: you know, I just found this of your dad's and 379 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 7: I feel like he would want you to have it. 380 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 7: And it was the ring exit as I had described it. 381 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 7: And so it was like these moments where I was like, what, 382 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 7: this is unbelievable, and I don't want to just be 383 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 7: the person that says, here's the ring from your dad. 384 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 7: Isn't that cool? Which it is, And I think that 385 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 7: this work can be incredibly healing in that way, But 386 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 7: I also always have that question of so, now, what 387 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 7: what do you do with this information now that you 388 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 7: have it. It's great that my aunt came to visit me, 389 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 7: and I do believe that there is more that happens 390 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 7: after we die, that our soul goes on, that this 391 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 7: is not the end. But then how do you use 392 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 7: that in your life? And that's really where the intersection 393 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 7: has happened for me, is these experiences are amazing and 394 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 7: they really do bring magic to life. I was moving 395 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 7: in this direction because when I decided I didn't want 396 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 7: to be a medium, and my psychology practice is my 397 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 7: practice and I enjoy that, but I felt like I 398 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 7: needed to share this part of myself. I needed the 399 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 7: people to know it was okay. They have these experiences. 400 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 7: They are very powerful. They can help you heal, they 401 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 7: can help you find magic in the universe and the world, 402 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 7: and a time where it seems like the world is 403 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 7: so heavy, there's something really joyful about having these connected 404 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 7: experiences with call it whatever you want, loved one, spirit, guides, angels, 405 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 7: the universe, source God, whatever works for you. So I 406 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 7: decided to start my podcast because I was like, Okay, 407 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 7: similar to you, you're a skeptic. I was a skeptic. 408 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 7: I never believed in this stuff. I would have said 409 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 7: this is not real, even when I've had my own 410 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 7: medium readings, even when I've gone to see mediums, which 411 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 7: I've gone with my husband, so we can experience some 412 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 7: of this and maybe become kind of a believer. I 413 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 7: feel like when you have the experience yourself. There's no 414 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 7: getting away from it. And so what my work now 415 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 7: feels like is helping people cultivate their own relationships with 416 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 7: their own spirituality. Whatever that looks like. 417 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 418 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: right back with more, Doctor Amy Robbins. 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I'm Sandra Champlain 436 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 3: and we're with clinical psychologist doctor Amy Robbins, and she's 437 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: sharing about her husband and herself going to a medium 438 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: and the unique experiences we all have that leave no 439 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: other explanation than connecting with our deceased loved ones. Let's continue. 440 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 7: I feel like when you have the experience yourself, there's 441 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 7: no getting away from it. And so what my work 442 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 7: now feels like is helping people cultivate their own relationships 443 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 7: with their own spirituality, whatever that looks like, to have 444 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 7: these similar experiences, because they are so profound. It is 445 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 7: incredible to be able to have conversation with the universe 446 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 7: in a way that feels like you are in lockstep 447 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 7: with what your soul is here to do. And that's 448 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 7: really where now I feel like I'm shifting again into 449 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 7: that space of trying to put out more offerings, taking 450 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 7: what I know from psychology and how our early relationships 451 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 7: shape us and how we carry that throughout our lives 452 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 7: and the stories we tell ourselves about that, but then 453 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 7: bringing in for me what has been really the most 454 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 7: healing work has been the spiritual work, because Once I 455 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 7: had that experience with my aunt, my anxiety dissipated. I 456 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 7: was no longer walking around and feeling anxious all the time, 457 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 7: or feeling like I needed to control everything. There was 458 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 7: a letting go process for me that allowed me freedom. 459 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 7: We're in a mental health crisis right now. I think 460 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 7: we're in a spiritual crisis right now. I think we 461 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 7: have lost our connection to ourselves. Lisa Miller, who I 462 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 7: just interviewed last week at the Mental Health America Conference, 463 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 7: talks about religion on one side, it's like with a 464 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 7: Venn diagram, spirituality on the other, and then there's a 465 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 7: small overlap. This doesn't have to be religious, It can 466 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 7: be spiritual in all kinds of other ways. And I 467 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 7: really am passionate about helping people find for themselves what 468 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 7: that looks like. I'm not even here to tell you that. 469 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 7: I think you need to believe that there's an afterlife. 470 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 7: That is my truth, but that doesn't need to be 471 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 7: someone else's truth. But that doesn't mean they can't find 472 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 7: magic and awe in this incredible world in which we live. 473 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: That's right, I know for me. Had I visited you 474 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: for as an appointment as a psychologist over twenty five 475 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: years ago and you brought up life after Death, I 476 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: would have left. It would be one of those weird people. 477 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: I don't even want to know about you. We're each 478 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: on our journey of unvolvement and at different times, in 479 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: different lives, we're at different places with your So I 480 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: always say, mainstream patients, if all of a sudden, what 481 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: are their loved ones pops up? Are you at a 482 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: place to test the waters to see if they're open. 483 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, So obviously I have this podcast that's pretty out 484 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 7: there for people. So when I started the podcast, I 485 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 7: reached out to several of the doctors who refer me. 486 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 7: I live in Chicago, like I said, a lot of 487 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 7: doctors from the hospital systems in the area will refer 488 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 7: patients to me. And I said, look, I just want 489 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 7: you to know I'm putting out this podcast, and I 490 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 7: want you to know what it's about, because if you're 491 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 7: recommending me and you have a patient who looks me up. 492 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 7: And when I started, they're really wasn't even the internet 493 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 7: the way it is, and there was certainly no social media. 494 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 7: I mean, no one had phones, right, so it wasn't 495 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 7: a big deal. But you know, in the last five years, 496 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 7: it has become that and I wanted them to know 497 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 7: that this was a part of me, and they all said, 498 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 7: oh great, okay. And I was a little worried that 499 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 7: it would impact my practice, but it didn't. The patients 500 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 7: that I had I never told that I had a 501 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 7: podcast out, so the old patients kind of maybe would 502 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 7: find out on there and like sometimes they would be 503 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 7: listening to another podcast and then it would be like, 504 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 7: this is recommended for you and everything. And there are 505 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 7: some people that I know pretty clearly because I do 506 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 7: ask in my intakes, like what spiritual practices do have? 507 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 7: What do you believe happens to us after we die? 508 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 7: If someone is grieving, I'll ask that question so I 509 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 7: can kind of gauge it a little bit like that. 510 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 7: There's been a few people where their loved ones have 511 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 7: come in and been very very very pushy with me, 512 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 7: where I've then said, you know, I feel I'm still 513 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 7: always tentative with it too, like I'm still like is 514 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 7: this information? Am I making this up? So I'll say 515 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 7: I think I might have information for you from a 516 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 7: loved one, how would you feel about me sharing that? 517 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 7: And then usually they'll be like, oh yeah, I please. 518 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 7: It does not happen often, and for me, it really 519 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 7: feels like I almost liken it to like a switch 520 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 7: on either side of my brain, and I can very 521 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 7: much feel on my right side when that information is 522 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 7: coming through, and when it comes through so strongly, I 523 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 7: can't think about anything else. I can't even access the 524 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 7: left side of my brain to do therapy. It feels 525 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 7: like it is all here and it is just coming 526 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 7: in and it's blocking me from being able to do 527 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 7: anything else but share that information. Again, this doesn't happen 528 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 7: to me often, and so I leave it up to people. 529 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 7: But I never push my belief system on my patients 530 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 7: because it's my job. My job is to help them 531 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 7: open and explore what their belief systems are, what they 532 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 7: think happens, what their spiritual experiences are, and for them 533 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 7: to begin to open up in that way. Do that 534 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 7: make sense? 535 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 3: Makes perfect sense. My hope is in time, more people 536 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: in physical health and mental health take a course or 537 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: two in your psychic abilities and mediumship and all that, 538 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: and you never have to tell people that side of you, 539 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: but to get that intuitive communication that's coming from your 540 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: soul and coming from the unseen world, just what a 541 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: gift that would be working with people, Like you said, 542 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: they don't ever have to know what your beliefs are, 543 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 3: but what an impact you can make. And I just 544 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: have this vision that your people on the other side, 545 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 3: your loved ones, your guides, whoever, feel like, Okay, she's 546 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: a warrior for helping people have the best life possible. 547 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: How can we best work with her? They're working with 548 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: you and making a difference that way. 549 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what it feels like, and it's really exciting. 550 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 7: One more fun story, I'll tell this. This patient knows 551 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 7: that this happened, so she wanted to be pregnant, and 552 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 7: I knew that she was pregnant, and she kept going 553 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 7: and kept taking tests and she was like, I don't 554 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 7: know what's going on. And I never said anything because 555 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 7: that was a space where like I didn't want to 556 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 7: be wrong, of course, to give someone hope like that. 557 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 7: And then she kept saying I don't understand, like, I 558 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 7: don't know what's going on. I'm not pregnant, I'm not pregnant, 559 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 7: and in my mind I was like, I know she is. 560 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 7: And then suddenly one week, like a month later, she 561 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 7: came She's like, I'm pregnant and I was like, I know, 562 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 7: she's like you did, I said, I did. 563 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: Great, let's talk a bit about grief. A lot of 564 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: people that come to this show, well, there's a lot 565 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 3: of pain there. Grief, to me is the worst pain 566 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 3: any of us will feel. And if you're listening right 567 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: now and going through that, we are here for you. 568 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 3: And I also know you, like me, believe that facing 569 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 3: death can't open us up spiritually in so many different ways. 570 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 3: If we were to have a little mini session and 571 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: I'm grieving or someone listening is could you just shed 572 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: some light a little bit about grief and life and 573 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 3: death and some words from doctor Amy. 574 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 7: Yeah. I think that no matter what you believe, if 575 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 7: you lose someone you love, it is going to be 576 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 7: excruciatingly painful. There's just no way around that. I say 577 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 7: all the time, if something God forbid happened to my children, 578 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 7: to my husband, this belief system is not going to 579 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 7: shield me from that. I have to walk through that 580 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 7: pain and I have to know that this new way 581 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 7: of feeling, this grief is going to live with me now. 582 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 7: It's just part of who I am moving forward, you know, 583 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 7: just like the loss of my a is a part 584 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 7: of me and other losses that I've experienced, miscarriages, things 585 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 7: along those lines are a part of me now. And 586 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 7: I do think that having this belief that the relationship 587 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 7: can go on, that it's going to look different, softens 588 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 7: it a little bit, but it doesn't make it any 589 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 7: less painful. There's no way around that if you believe that. 590 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 7: And I know you've had people on the show that 591 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 7: I've talked about soul contracts and those things, and I'm 592 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 7: not someone that is like, oh, well, you chose that, 593 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 7: so here we are like, I think that's very, very 594 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 7: dismissive of people's feelings in the moment. If we can 595 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 7: look at those as obstacles and ways to grow and 596 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 7: deepen our relationships with ourself and with the people that 597 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 7: we love and that we care about, then grief can 598 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 7: be a real opportunity to grow and learn and feel 599 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 7: being human. You can't get around grieving. And that's what 600 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 7: I was going to say about soul contracts. We did 601 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 7: make a choice, I believe to be here to incarnate 602 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 7: in this life and this time now. And so why 603 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 7: did we do that? What is that about? What are 604 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 7: these experiences here to help us to learn and grow? 605 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 7: So our soul can keep learning and growing over time, 606 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 7: but grief doesn't go away. Think about Elizabeth Koublaros's stages 607 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 7: of grief as like the five stages start to finish, 608 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 7: you move through them. They were never meant for the grieving, 609 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 7: they were meant for the dying. And we don't move 610 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 7: through anything in life as linear. We are spiraling, and 611 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,919 Speaker 7: we are always coming back and growing and coming back 612 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 7: and growing. And I love this image of a spiral 613 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 7: because the spiral is sacred geometry. And that's how I 614 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 7: think of how we transform is through looking in, looking out, 615 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 7: looking and looking out, and we're constantly evolving over time. 616 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 7: And I think grief is not just about death. I 617 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 7: have a child that's getting ready to go to college now, 618 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 7: share I'm already grieving the loss of her and her 619 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 7: life and her moving on and our family and what 620 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 7: it's going to look like and all of those things, 621 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 7: and those are very real. That's grief and loss, just 622 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 7: like the death of someone is grief and loss. Divorce, moving, 623 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 7: new jobs, babies, loved ones, dying, pets, all of that 624 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 7: is grief and loss, all of it. And so I 625 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 7: think that when we can start to integrate grief into 626 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 7: our daily life, rather than thinking about it as it's 627 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 7: something that happens to me when someone dies, than when 628 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 7: someone dies it's not as scary because you're like, oh, 629 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 7: I've done this before. It's we're just building emotional muscle, 630 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 7: and when you build emotional muscle, you're stronger every time 631 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 7: it happens. That doesn't mean that some of those grief 632 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 7: loss experiences aren't more painful than others. Life is always 633 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 7: about grief and loss. 634 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 3: It is most definitely you know, you mentioned Elizabeth Kobler 635 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 3: Ross and I just featured her story on a recent 636 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: episode of Shades of the Afterlife, and many people don't 637 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 3: know is just a couple of years after she gave 638 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 3: those five Stages of dying. She was a skeptic, and 639 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, patients would see loved ones in 640 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 3: the room with them, you know, those deathbed visitations. She 641 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 3: studied twenty thousand near death experiences. She was a believer, 642 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 3: gave her whole life to that. Let's take a quick 643 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 3: break and we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of 644 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 645 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 3: Paranormal podcast Network. 646 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: More of Sandra's coming up just around the corner. 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You're gonna love this. 666 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 5: Just get on over to Coast tocoastam dot com and 667 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 5: start your free listening now. 668 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 8: Now here's more Sandra on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 669 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 8: Ghost Am Paranormal podcast Network. 670 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 671 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 3: and we're here with clinical psychologist doctor Amy Robbins talking 672 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 3: about psychology and the afterlife. Let's continue. 673 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 7: There are a lot of people in the psychological space. 674 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 7: Young and being the first right who always talked about 675 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 7: synchronicities and the spiritual side of psychology and archetypes. And 676 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 7: he was really a pioneer, and there is a branch 677 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 7: of Jungian therapy, Jungian psychology you can study, you can 678 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 7: do young in psychoanalysis. But it really got quieted by 679 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 7: Freud and a lot of the other kind of disciples 680 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 7: post Freud, and he was pushed to the side. And 681 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 7: in the same way that Elizabeth Koobler Roth's stories have 682 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 7: been pushed after Dath experience stories are not as known. 683 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 7: I don't know why. I think it really minimizes people's experiences. 684 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 7: I'm sure there are tons of your listeners right now 685 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 7: who have had experiences similar to mine who have been 686 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 7: in therapy before and who have never brought it up 687 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 7: to their therapist because they're afraid of what their therapist 688 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 7: might think, rather than feeling like this could be an 689 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 7: opportunity maybe as a therapist for the therapists to help 690 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 7: them cultivate what could be a new relationship with their 691 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 7: loved one. And it's not delusional, and it's not crazy, 692 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 7: and it's not making someone believe that their loved one 693 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 7: is not here anymore, because I think you have to 694 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 7: accept your loved one is not here in a physical 695 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 7: body anymore, and the relationship is going to look different, 696 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 7: But that doesn't mean you can't still cultivate some connection 697 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 7: to someone. And maybe that connection is around memories and 698 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 7: lighting a candle on their birthday, but maybe it's about more. 699 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 7: I want people to be okay with the about more. 700 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 7: And I think one of the side of effects of 701 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 7: my podcast has been the number of clinicians that have 702 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 7: reached out to me secretly and said, I want to 703 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 7: know more, Where can I learn more? How can I 704 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 7: incorporate this into some of my clinical work. I have 705 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 7: these intuitive hits too, because if you're connected with your 706 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 7: patients intuitively, you are going to know things. I know 707 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 7: things sometimes before they walk in the door. I know 708 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 7: what they're going to talk about. I know what they're 709 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 7: going to say. Not always, but sometimes, And so that's 710 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 7: an opportunity to even deepen the healing work more than 711 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 7: what we're already doing. I think that obviously, like anything, 712 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 7: you have to be careful. As you know, there's a 713 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 7: lot of Charlatan's out there. People claim that they can 714 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 7: do these things, and I do believe like you that 715 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 7: we all have this ability within us. But I think 716 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 7: there are people who take advantage. But that's in any 717 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 7: field anywhere doing anything. I think unfortunately people in this 718 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 7: space get a bad name because they say there's less 719 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 7: science behind it, but I don't know. I mean, there's 720 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 7: a lot of people who have researched this over the years, 721 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 7: and a lot of people who have had these experiences. 722 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, and there's so much fear amy. I know 723 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 3: for myself, it took everything I had to write my 724 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 3: book and then come public to my community people at work. 725 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 3: I was so scared what people would think. And there 726 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 3: hasn't well, there was one there was one person who 727 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: was born again Christian took me prayed for me, let's 728 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 3: get the demons out of Sandra. Okay, I said, thank you, 729 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 3: you know what am I going to do? But everybody 730 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 3: else embraced it. Everybody would tell me stories that they've had. 731 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 3: People would come up to me that were maybe had 732 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 3: breast cancer or some illness. There's some of them lost 733 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 3: a child and wanted to know more. So we're culture 734 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 3: of believers all around the world, but that fear has 735 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 3: us convinced that we can't talk about it. We're going 736 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 3: to lose friends, We're going to lose credibility, so we 737 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 3: stay quiet. So I'm thrilled that there's people like you 738 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 3: and your podcasts that you're being open about it, and 739 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 3: I dig the fact that other therapists are coming to 740 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 3: you wanting to know more. Talk about the podcast. 741 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 7: So the podcast is similar to yours, I think in 742 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 7: many ways. So if you love your podcast, you'll probably 743 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 7: love my podcast. It is an exploration, I say, of life, death, 744 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 7: consciousness and what it all means. So I'm always looking 745 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 7: at things from the psychological and the spiritual lens and 746 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 7: trying to bring that into the work. So I interview mediums, 747 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 7: near death experiencers, consciousness experts, scientists, I look at alternative 748 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 7: healing practices because I don't think that there is one 749 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 7: way to heal. And that's something that I think as 750 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 7: I've grown in clinical work, I now am able to 751 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,439 Speaker 7: see and not hopefully any person you're working with does 752 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 7: not believe that their way of doing things is the 753 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 7: only way, because that's probably a cult. And I don't 754 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 7: think of myself as a healer. I think of myself 755 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 7: as someone who helps people heal, and so I have 756 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 7: exposed myself to like so many different healing modalities because 757 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 7: I want people to say, oh, wait, this resonates with me. 758 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 7: I listen to your podcast and Sound Healing, and that 759 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 7: really sounded like something that I felt that when I 760 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 7: was listening to it, and so I'm going to give 761 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 7: that a try and just be curious and be willing 762 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,240 Speaker 7: to experiment. I talk about all different modalities of clinical 763 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 7: traditional clinical psychology, I talk about energy psychology. I talk 764 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 7: about Chinese medicine and the Tao, and I try to 765 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 7: cover as much as I can so people can then 766 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 7: kind of pick and see what might work for them. 767 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 7: And my favorite part of the podcast, ghost Stories, I 768 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 7: do so people share their own stories of connecting with 769 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 7: loved ones or having these mystical, magical experiences that are 770 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 7: profound for them and help them in their grief. This 771 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 7: is my favorite part of what I do is being 772 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 7: able to talk to people and hear their stories because 773 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 7: there's power in stories. 774 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely remind us of the name of the podcast and 775 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 3: where we can find it. 776 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 7: Sure it's life, Death and the space between. You can 777 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 7: find it anywhere you get your podcasts and then YouTube. 778 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,240 Speaker 7: You can follow me on Instagram at doctor Amy Robbins. 779 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 3: Wonderful. Can people work with you one on one? Somebody 780 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 3: might know in their heart, I'd love to have an 781 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,439 Speaker 3: appointment with this lady. Is that something you do? 782 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 7: So I do spiritual consultations, but I don't do psychotherapy work. 783 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 7: I really prefer to see people in person. So if 784 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 7: they are in Chicago and I happen to have an opening, 785 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 7: certainly reach out. But right now my practice is pretty false. 786 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 7: But I do do the one off spiritual consultations and 787 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 7: so it gives an opportunity to work with me in 788 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,439 Speaker 7: that way. 789 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 3: I know. There's so many words of wisdom on your podcast. 790 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,720 Speaker 3: You talk to great guests, you listen to their stories, 791 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 3: but you also sprinkle a little salt and pepper of 792 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 3: a great Amy wisdom in them as well. What can 793 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,760 Speaker 3: we find on your website, Doctor Amy Robbins dot com 794 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 3: twobs in Robins. 795 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 7: You can find my podcasts, you can find out more 796 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 7: about my course, and you can find out just how 797 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 7: I work and how I think about this work. And 798 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 7: I really hold integrity and authenticity very close, very dear. 799 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,359 Speaker 7: It's two values that are really important to me. I 800 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 7: hope that that comes through because I always say, like, 801 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 7: if my patients ever saw me outside of the therapeutic space, 802 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 7: I never would want them to think, who is that woman? 803 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 7: I don't recognize her right like? I want to be 804 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 7: the same fully integrated person wherever it is that I go. 805 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 7: Long time, I wasn't because I didn't feel like I 806 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 7: could talk about that. But now that I feel like 807 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 7: I do, I feel like I'm just continuing to move 808 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 7: more towards that fully integrated person. And I think that 809 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 7: that comes through in my website where you can see 810 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 7: it all. You can find out all about me and 811 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 7: the podcast and talking to dead people once in a 812 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 7: while and doing the traditional psychotherapy as well, so it's 813 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 7: all there. 814 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 3: So great. In a moment, I'm going to ask you 815 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 3: for some closing inspirational words for our listeners, something that 816 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 3: they can use for today and carry with them. But 817 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 3: before I do, you mentioned integrity and authenticity, and just 818 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 3: from me foundations of everything. Integrity gives us power, be 819 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 3: your word, do the things you said you would do 820 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 3: if something can't happen, be honest about it, Be honest 821 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 3: to yourself. The people that have had the most success 822 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 3: in life in the most people that really honor and 823 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 3: respect them. Integrity is at the core, and that authenticity, 824 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 3: that self expression. It took me a heck of a 825 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 3: long time to get that. That is the key to 826 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 3: the kingdom. That we don't have to pretend to be smarter, 827 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 3: or better looking or have it all together. The world 828 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 3: loves you when you can be just who you are. 829 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 3: You're one of a kind. You're special, good, bad, and indifferent. 830 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 3: We are who we are, and we trust people who 831 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 3: are open and authentic. So that's just my two cents 832 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 3: on integrity and authenticity. So back over to you. What 833 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 3: would you like to share it to leave with our 834 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 3: listeners today. 835 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 7: So as you were talking, I think two things came 836 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 7: to mind. One is I believe that the most spiritual 837 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 7: thing you can do is to know yourself and that 838 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 7: that is a long, deep journey that I don't think 839 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,919 Speaker 7: we ever get to the end of until we die 840 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 7: and then beyond. So I think that, and I also 841 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 7: think as you were talking, what came up in my 842 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 7: mind was show up. No, show up for yourself first 843 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 7: and foremost, and then everything else will show up for you. 844 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 7: But if you can't show up for yourself, nothing else 845 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 7: is going to show up for you. 846 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 3: Doctor Amy Robbins, thank you so much for being our 847 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,280 Speaker 3: guest today. 848 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 7: Thank you, Sancha. I really appreciate it, and I'm so 849 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 7: happy to be in connection with you and have a 850 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 7: new friend. 851 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 3: I love that it's just the beginning. We need to 852 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,479 Speaker 3: join like minded people and get their stories out into 853 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 3: the world. It really helps I know that the tipping 854 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 3: points going to occur and that we can see therapists 855 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 3: and doctors, everybody tapping into their spiritual side. I think 856 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 3: that's really a wonderful way to look at the future. 857 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 3: For you, dear listener, I want to thank you for 858 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 3: taking the time to be here. I really do being 859 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 3: open for these conversations. Remember that ego is so strong 860 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,920 Speaker 3: and it wants to convince you that these things aren't real. 861 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 3: Here's an example of how mean it can be. When 862 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning and you'll look in 863 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 3: the mirror, what does it say, how radiant and glowing 864 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 3: and wonderful you are. No, it'll pick out the wrinkles 865 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 3: and the gray hair and the extra weight. It is 866 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,240 Speaker 3: not there to be your champion. It is just part 867 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 3: of life. But we can quiet the mind and tap 868 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 3: into all of it. I want to remind you you 869 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 3: can check out doctor Amy Robbins dot com and her 870 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 3: podcast Life, Death and the Space Between. Don't forget to 871 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 3: come to my website, we Don't Die dot com. If 872 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 3: you don't yet have a copy of my book, just 873 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 3: scroll to the bottom of the main page and to 874 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 3: your name and your email address. It says it's just 875 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 3: the first few chapters, it's the whole book. We have 876 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 3: some new medium and special classes starting open to everybody, 877 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 3: and of course our free Sunday gathering with medium a 878 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 3: demonstration included. I want to leave you with one line 879 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 3: quote from doctor Carl Jung. He says, where there is fear, 880 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 3: there is your task. So whatever brings you fear, walk 881 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 3: right into it. And I promise you there's magic on 882 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 3: the other side. They say fear means false evidence, appearing real. 883 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 3: I understand it. Everything's going to be okay. I'm Sandra 884 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 3: Champlain and from the bottom of my heart, thank you 885 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 3: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 886 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 887 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 888 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,399 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 889 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 890 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.