1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jimmy Rowlands. Welcome to the Phimmy. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: But tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury Todd's like a happy Holidays everybody. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: It's Friday, December twenty sixth, twenty twenty five, and The 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: Philly Show has a special holiday gift for all of you. 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Jim Rubin and I caught up earlier this week spent 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: some time with Jimmy Rounds, and it was so good. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: It was so good we decided to do something that 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: we've never done before. We're gonna spread the holiday cheer 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: and make this a two part episode. 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: So this is part. 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: One of our interview with Jimmy Rounds. Jimmy talks a 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: lot about his chances of making the Hall of Fame, 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: what made him such an elite defender at Shortstop, and 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: his development as a hitter over the years, and as always, 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: if you know Jimmy, a ton of fantastic insight on 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: all of those topics. Part two is gonna come out 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: next week. He talks about the twenty twenty six Phillies. 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: Jim and I share some stories about why we loved 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: covering Jimmy so much, a lot of laughs in Part two, 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: and we finished by talking about what Jimmy is up 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: to off the field. That's six point one podcast with 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: Ryan Howard and Jimmy has a few surprises, a few 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: surprises of what he is up to in the business 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: world right now, but right now. Part one with Jimmy Rowlninds, 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: don't forget if you're watching this on YouTube, we hit 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: the subscribe button and help sport the show by going 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: to the Phillies Show shop dot com. Here we go, everybody, 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: Part one of our interview with Jimmy Rollins, Jay Rowl, 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Phillies Show. 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Happy holidays, likewise, thanks for having me. Glad to be 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: here with a couple old buddies. 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this is so good. We're really excited. We've 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: been looking forward to this for a while. And you know, 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: there's the holidays right now. You got Christmas, you got 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: New Year's and uh, you know for you'll also have 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: like the Baseball Writers Hall of Fame ballots are due 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks, and I'm wondering, does 38 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: this change this month for you? Do you start looking 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: on the internet to see who's you know? How are 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: you feeling about the Hall of Fame and all that? 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 4: No, Actually, this I can honestly say this might be 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 4: the first year that I didn't even think about it. 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 4: And I say that as in, like, I think I've 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 4: just been so busy, you know, before we came on, 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 4: I was just talking about the number of We've had 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 4: two deaths and a birthday and it's all happened within 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: the last month. 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: And maybe that's a good thing in. 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: A sense that it's taking my mind off of licking 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: or am I going to get a call like hey, 51 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: you're trending a certain way. So I haven't really had 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: much time to think about it. To be honest, in 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 4: the past years, I would say I would get a 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: little bit nervous, like, man, you know what's going to 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: be Like, Okay, I'm not going to get in this shit, 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: but what are my numbers going to look like when 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 4: they announce it. That has been a case this year, 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 4: and it's I guess it's been a relief in a 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 4: sense of not having to worry about that because I've 60 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: been so busy doing so many other things. 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: I mean, certainly, you know, all three of us have 62 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: said on this show many times, we think we think 63 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: you're a Hall of Famer. I was just looking at 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: Jason Storry. I don't want to like embarrass you or 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: anything like that, but Jason Stark had these great numbers. 66 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: I just want to read a couple of them for you. 67 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: And why I think so. 68 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Jimmy Rownd, Derek Jeter, cal Rick and the only shortstops 69 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: in baseball history at least two hundred homers, twenty four 70 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: hundred hits, eight hundred and fifty seven extra base hits 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: are more than any other shortstop in history not named 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: Derek Jeter or cal Ripkin. Nine straight seasons with at 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: least fifty extra base hits and or nine Street nine 74 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: seasons with at least fifty extra base hits and thirty steals, 75 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: more seasons than any shortstop who's ever lived. Only shortstop ever, 76 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: two hundred homers, four hundred stolen bases, MVP franchise hit 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: later you know, go Glover. You know, and I've said 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: this too before, Jimmy, Like, I really appreciate the way 79 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: you played shortstop. Now, like once you're you know, I'm like, god, man, 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: it was like an event when Jimmy made. 81 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: An error, right, what happened on that play? Dude? 82 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, what what in the world happened. 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: You don't do that. 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: I was. 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: I was taught early by John Vukevich. She was a 86 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: great mantor her mind, a man that I think we 87 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 4: all love you either love him hate him. He was 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: one of those guys. There was no middle ground. You 89 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: love Uk or you hated Vuk. And we had run 90 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: ins early. We got all that out the way, but man, 91 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 4: he drilled me and drilled me along with Larry Boa 92 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 4: on making the play, making the routine play. And he 93 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 4: would tell me your athleticism will help you make the 94 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 4: great plays, but your job is to when that ball 95 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 4: is hit to you and it's two outs, the picture 96 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: should be walking off the mound. And that was always 97 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: my mentality, where it was no outs went out, two outs, 98 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: hit it to me and it's over. So when I 99 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: did making air, very few were feeling. I think maybe 100 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: it would come from throwing, like just dropping arm angles, 101 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: you know, getting a two semier having it run. I 102 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 4: felt like, man, I didn't do my job and it 103 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: was almost get the next ball hit to me mentality, 104 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 4: so I can make up for it. And there's no 105 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 4: way to make up forward unless it's like on one 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 4: more pitch, like if I make an era era, and 107 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: it's two whiles, and it's ten more pitches. I cost 108 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 4: this pitcher probably in an and that's how I felt. 109 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: So there was a lot of pride that went in 110 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 4: to my defense. I was always a defensive player. 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: First. 112 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 4: I loved offense, don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. 113 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: I love getting on base, stilling and being exciting in 114 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: that essence, but I loved playing defense. There was never 115 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 4: a day I wasn't out there taking ground balls, working 116 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 4: on my craft to make sure that I felt confident 117 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: going into the game. I knew I could catch the ball, 118 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 4: but I want to have that confidence that I made 119 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: every single play that could possibly happen before the game 120 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: started so when it happened, and always I wanted to 121 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 4: look like magic, Like you know, I missed twenty before 122 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: I called the one and learned how to do it 123 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 4: the first time, then a second time, then over again. 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: So it was always a thing for me to go 125 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 4: out there put in a work so defense looked effortless 126 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: and magical. 127 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 5: It's funny you're talking about We talk about your defense 128 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 5: a lot on this show because I loved watching you 129 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 5: play defense. I was always amazed at how you mentioned 130 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 5: sometimes you get down and two seemen, but your release 131 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 5: point was incredibly consistent. 132 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: It was always boom boom. 133 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 5: And it came across that diamond with a lot of force. 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 5: I remember your first spring training, Big League spring training 135 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 5: at Jack Russell Stadium. You were an invite. Jess Relaford 136 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 5: was the start of shortstop and you were there a 137 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 5: couple of days and you're working your magic in the 138 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 5: infield and DESI comes up to me and goes, this 139 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 5: cat can play. And but Nan, people don't realize you 140 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 5: used to get on the mom in high school and 141 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 5: bringing at ninety four closing out games, right, I mean 142 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 5: that arm strength was real. 143 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was something that I give a lot of 144 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: credits to my father, although he wasn't a baseball player. 145 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 4: And it's funny, you know, just having all these funerals, 146 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: you start getting the stories about your parents and aunts 147 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: and uncles. But my dad always said he played a 148 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: little bit of baseball. He actually played a lot more 149 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 4: than he let on. And this comes from people like 150 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: now we're around the Rollinson's, the homes and all these people, 151 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: we played baseball all the time. I'm like, my dad said, 152 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: he played wine game, got hitting the shin and walked 153 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: off the field. It's like, no, your dad was out 154 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: there every week and he tried to play. He wasn't 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: very good, but he was out there, so he had 156 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: the foresight. When I was twelve years old, we would 157 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: go over to Lanty College where he went to. 158 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: School, ran track there, and at. 159 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: Twelve, he already had me throwing off the sixty foot 160 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: mound to give my arm strength, arm strength better for 161 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 4: the forty five foot mount that we were playing on. 162 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 4: But it wasn't that he wanted my arm strength better 163 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: for me being a twelve year old. He was looking 164 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: at next year and the years beyond that. This is 165 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: where you're going to be. So there's no we already 166 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: have this part under control. We've dominated this part, but 167 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: if you really want to dominate. It was learning how 168 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: to throw the ball through the strike zone from sixty 169 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: feet six inches, and at that time it's still a 170 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: big fan of Dave Stewart. I would put my hat down, 171 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: you know, try to look like smoke and I will 172 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: try to and I would spin the ball, force him 173 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: and try to spin it and go have it going 174 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: through the strike zone, not just to the catcher. 175 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: He would be back there. 176 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: Now, I say, try to throw it through my glove, like, 177 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 4: let me stop the ball, don't throw it to the 178 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: strike zone, throw it through the strike zone. From then 179 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 4: I learned about arm strength and about the three quarter releases, 180 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: trying to really pull down on the ball and make 181 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: the ball feel like it's going to hit the ground, 182 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: and just playing out. 183 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: Kurt Schillen did that on the mound. 184 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 4: He would throw balls that felt like it's going to 185 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: be in your shin and it was knee high. And 186 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: so after doing that, we started getting tubes and just 187 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 4: working on arm strength because he knew and I knew 188 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: I wasn't going to be the biggest guy. My dad 189 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 4: always said, you don't have to be the biggest, but 190 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: you're going to be strong, and that when when your 191 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: opponents play against you, whether it's basketball, football, or baseball, 192 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: that you want them to walk away say man, that 193 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 4: dude can play. So that was that was, you know, 194 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: I guess what DESI saw my arm strength. There were 195 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: things that I worked on. None of this was was 196 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 4: born in the lab. It took a lot of work 197 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: in years, but also foresight from my dad understanding what 198 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 4: the future was. I was just worried about today. He 199 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: had the bigger plan, and I was able to stay 200 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,239 Speaker 4: on track, staying. 201 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: On that defensive theme. 202 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 6: Jimmy, I mean you to me, were one of the 203 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 6: most consistent short suffs. I've seen a lot of them 204 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 6: omar vs scale self. 205 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: As far as consistency. 206 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 6: From what I've seen over the years in my career, 207 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 6: I don't think there's anybody as consistent as you were. 208 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: I was wondering, you've only won like four or five 209 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: gold gloves, you probably four one of eleven of them. 210 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 7: Does that bother you that you never got to the 211 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 7: I mean to me, I felt like you were disrespected 212 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 7: in that regard because I didn't see, by any stretch 213 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 7: of the imagination, anybody as consistent and as dominant on 214 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 7: the field at that. 215 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: Position as you were during the course of your career. 216 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: I appreciate Ruben uh so disrespect. I wouldn't say that far. 217 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 4: I just took it, especially in my first two to 218 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 4: three years, as in you know, there there there's a 219 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: there's an order, there's an order, and your time will come. 220 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: We had Rense Area, We had Orlando guys that were 221 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: making great plays, Gonzales down in Florida that guys that 222 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: I looked up to, like, man, they make these crazy 223 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: looking plays, but they would have, you know, High Arizona 224 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 4: just just regular routine balls on the plays that you 225 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: should make. But they were making extraordinary plays. I think 226 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 4: for me the first time, and I wouldn't say disrespect, 227 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: but I was like, wow, I'm confused. It was I 228 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: think maybe five oh six when Isterus won it with 229 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 4: the Dodgers, and I'm like, there's this no way, There's 230 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: no way he wins the go glove over me. At 231 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 4: that point I kind of got upset and kind of 232 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: made it a mission. I was never out there to 233 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 4: win go gloves. It was out there to play good defense, 234 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: to be consistent that when the ground balls hit to me, 235 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: my pitcher knew that that was an out that feels 236 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: a big double play that need to be turned. Ground 237 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: ball to me, were turning that double play. But that 238 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: year I was That's the first time I was really 239 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: upset about not win. I think I was like, now 240 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: I put in my time and if there was a line, 241 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: I was in line before this person. But somehow they 242 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: leapfrogged me. And at that point that made me upset. 243 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 4: But I agree I should have won more than four. 244 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: I'm grateful to have won four, but I thought there 245 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: were a number of years that I was just overlooked, disrespected, 246 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 4: as you say, but just wasn't given credit for the 247 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: defense that I played. And I don't know what criteria 248 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 4: goes into playing defense. I know a lot of years 249 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: is about how many hits you get and instead of 250 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: how many hits you take away. But I was never 251 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 4: out of the running. But four is a little low, honestly, 252 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 4: but at least I got that four. 253 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: Can't plan about that. 254 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you that from my opinion, there's no 255 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 8: question in my mind that you were disrespected, and you 256 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 8: should probably add closer to eight or ten of those suckers, 257 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 8: because if the criteria were truly about the best glove 258 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 8: in the game, which it was originally my dad was 259 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 8: getting it back in sixty. 260 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 6: Four, when it was truly about the defense, there was 261 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 6: no question in my mind you were the best year 262 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 6: in year out. 263 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: Just I don't disagree route, I don't disagree like and 264 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: with that, which is a great point which I alluded to. Yeah, 265 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: it literally became about the best hitting short stop one 266 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 4: go gloves, which had nothing to do with defense. And 267 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: I always said that that what does you know, even 268 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: talking with riders and you know, National riders like yeah, 269 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: but this guy hit thirty home runs. 270 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what does it have to do with the fence? 271 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely nothing, like absolutely nothing. Those are two different sides. 272 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: You want to give this guy a silver Slugger, go ahead, 273 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 4: But it has nothing to do with making the plays 274 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 4: and catching the ball and saving runs and being in 275 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 4: the right position, controlling the infield because as a short 276 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 4: stop you're the captain, and getting people lined up and 277 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 4: cut off some relays, and and honestly getting on the outfielders. 278 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: I love get on outfielders they made when they threw 279 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: the ball to the wrong base, Like what are you doing? Like, 280 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: I'm there's a game that I know that needs to 281 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: be played that if the situation costs concede this runner 282 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: advance and to keep this double plan order, then do that. 283 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: Let's make the right play to give ourselves to get out, 284 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: get out of an inning. And those were things I 285 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: felt like I always did and we're control of, but 286 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 4: it became it became about the bat and not about 287 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:45,479 Speaker 4: the glove. 288 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: And the yeah, the I mean, you know, the defensive 289 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: metrics now I would love to see nowadays, if you're 290 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: playing right now, like how you are grade out and 291 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: like that that cast crushing you know, because defense. Here's 292 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: another stat I want to where I talk about defense. 293 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: Defensive run saved. I think you're like one hundred and 294 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: forty one point one defensive run saves across your career, 295 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: more than any shortstop and twenty five seasons since the 296 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: retirement of Ozzie Smith. 297 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: So I didn't know that. 298 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of short change on this some of the 299 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: other like the war metrics on defensive war. I'm like, 300 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: I would That's why I would love just to see 301 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: if they could go back and like replicate. 302 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: Right right, yeah that I mean ever, I mean obviously 303 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: everyone who knows me, Ricky Henners my all time favorite player, 304 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: no doubt about it. And I said, and people think 305 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: I'm joking because I've been like five seven since I 306 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: was twelve, there were times when I played with the 307 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: kids my age, I've kind of felt like I was 308 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: cal Ripkin, like one of the taller short stops longer 309 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: then I would play up though I played with the 310 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen year olds, and then I was like, Okay, 311 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: now I'm Oggie Smith. And so my game was really 312 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: evolved around those two until Mike board It came up 313 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: with the Oakland A and it's like, okay, well here's 314 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: a guy who literally just catches and throws. Catches and throw. 315 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 4: So I had three really good shortstop to kind of 316 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: model my game after. And it really depended on if 317 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 4: I felt tall that day playing with the kids my age, 318 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: and I was kind of average height versus playing up 319 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: with the fourteen fifteen year olds and I felt small, 320 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 4: so I was always ozzy. So for that comparison, I 321 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: had no idea. 322 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Of that. So thanks for that. There's a lot, honestly, 323 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: and Ruben knows he knows me, well, you guys know me. 324 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot about myself and where I fit 325 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: in that I never paid attention to because that was 326 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 4: never my thing. It was only about winning and helping 327 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: my teammates become better and building a belief system that 328 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: we can actually win this, Like we're not here to 329 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: go home every September and watch somebody else pay in October. 330 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Like we can actually win. 331 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: So all those things if they always say, and I agree, 332 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: if you play long enough, you're putting in and work 333 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: and you're healthy enough, you will put up good numbers 334 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: if you're a good player, and I was able to 335 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: do that, but a lot of it I just honestly 336 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: don't know because unless it was to my attention that 337 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: it was never mindtent other than I alway said I 338 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: want to be a Hall of Famer. 339 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: That was for sure. I came from the Bay Area. 340 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 4: I come from the Bay Area, and if you look 341 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: at the ball players from the Bay Area, it's like 342 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: it's it's a tradition, like if you're playing this sport, 343 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 4: you're planning to be one of the greatest, and ultimately 344 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 4: that means getting into the Hall of Fame. 345 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 5: Wow, he just charged I mean Bay Area Hall of Famers, 346 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 5: Henderson Stargell, Ye, Frank Ryan, Joe Morgan. I'm missing uh 347 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 5: Vida Blue. I mean he was I'm not sure is 348 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 5: he in the Hall of Fame. 349 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: He was a great one. 350 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: If he wasn't, he's a great one. 351 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 4: But yeah, so there there there's just been a history 352 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 4: of ratings there. So I'm like, I didn't I don't 353 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: well now with c C you know, prior to that, 354 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want Ricky to be the last 355 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: one to get in. So now c c CC is 356 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: taking that. So now it's like, now I don't want 357 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 4: see seem to be the last one to get in. 358 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: Uh so Uh, It's that the Bay Area has always 359 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 4: been rich in sports, but especially baseball. Though the Open 360 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: A's are no longer there, you have the giants that 361 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: still represent baseball in the Bay. 362 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 5: What are you most all the times we've talked to 363 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 5: I don't know that I've ever asked you, what are 364 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 5: you most proud of? 365 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: In your career? 366 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 5: The all time hits leader, You're on the Wall of Fame, 367 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 5: you're an MVP Gogleng All Star World champion, and you're 368 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: also a soothsayer where the team to beat? 369 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: So that really the seventh season, And I say that because. 370 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: It built the belief system. It it literally was a 371 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: launching pad for us as an organization. 372 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: For that five year stretch that we had. But it 373 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: was a belief system and went from us talking about 374 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 4: it in spring training the year prior, actually two years prior, 375 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: where we got close, you know, a week left and 376 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: somebody knocks us out. In two thousand and six, I 377 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: think we were all in Washington, d C. Watching the 378 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: Pirates of Houston, and I remember everybody we saw this 379 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: soft line drive come off the bat. I forgot who 380 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: the hitter was and we were jumping up and down 381 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: like it's in the gap. We got the one game 382 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 4: playoff and Bigio just goes up and it's like, what 383 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: the heck? 384 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: You know? 385 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 4: Was that us hoping from that to you know, like, 386 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 4: you know what, We've been close so many times. The 387 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: Braves are no longer the division champs, and it was 388 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: like the light bulb was or the shade off, the 389 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: division was taken off and it was wide open. And 390 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 4: you know Pat Gillick, you know, coming over as a 391 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 4: gym and coming in saying we're years away, and you know, 392 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 4: I could curse on this, right yeah, sure, I'm like, 393 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 4: fuck that, Like, I don't half years. I'm already five 394 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: six years and two this. I don't have three more 395 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: years of a rebuild, you know. 396 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: And there was method to his madness there. 397 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Jimmy, it works. 398 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 4: It works the hell off, I tell you that much. 399 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 4: I don't know anyone else felt about it, Bud. He 400 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 4: said that I was pissed. 401 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 402 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: Bro? 403 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: Like we have it right here, Like what are you 404 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: talking about? Which led to two thousand and seven, when 405 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 4: I was asked about, you know, the division, I'm like, 406 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: look at what we have. 407 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: The trades were making We're ready, Like we are absolutely ready. 408 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 4: And it was just more so the Braves losing finally 409 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 4: their grip hold on a division. And it was like, 410 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 4: we played the Braves well, we played the Mets well. 411 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 4: It just wanted the vision. We're not afraid of the 412 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 4: fucking Mets, so why not. It's they're older ship. 413 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: That's how I felt. They're really old and we're. 414 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 4: Really young, and and yeah, we're the team to be 415 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 4: and I and I stated why although we got clipped, 416 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: thankfully got clipped and ran on like a wildfire thanks. 417 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: To ALACKI couldn't wait to get up to New York. 418 00:19:53,520 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: But it was really how I felt. It wasn't it 419 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: wasn't just popping off. 420 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, I'll talk trash, don't get me wrong, 421 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: but I talk trash because I know I have something 422 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: to bring with it. I'm not just talking for fun 423 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: or for the sake of it. Sometimes, yes, it is 424 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 4: psychological warfare because I want to see how you react. 425 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 4: Because I know what I can stand on. I know 426 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 4: how to handle my business. But maybe you don't, so 427 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: I'm adding that pressure to you because if you feel 428 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: that pressure, that gives me an advantage. So there was 429 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 4: a little bit of that in there, but it was 430 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 4: more so for us to look inward and black guys, 431 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: if the Mets can do it, and we can beat 432 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 4: the Mets, come on, like let's let's let's be real 433 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 4: about this. And it took an entire season, and there 434 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: were plenty of games, especially in the second half, when 435 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 4: we're looking at this big old delta between us and 436 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: the Mets, and I'm in the Mira after games, after 437 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 4: getting our bus kicked, like all right, maybe maybe maybe 438 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 4: you bid off loats. How about just get to the 439 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: playoffs and if you don't win a division, you started 440 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 4: out trying to win a division, but you. 441 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: Get to the playoffs as a wild card. 442 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 3: Just maybe that works. 443 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: Just just you know what, let's get to the playoffs. 444 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: Then the next night we go win fifteen or two, 445 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 4: and it's like, oh shit. It was almost like they 446 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 4: felt my energy and God, I really felt like I 447 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 4: was being lifted up at times and it's like, nah, 448 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 4: we got you, you know, we like we got you. 449 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 4: Can get back out there. And I was able to 450 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: keep you know, pushing forward. But it wasn't all me. 451 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 4: It was you know, them believing and from not believing 452 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 4: in what I said or thinking I'm crazy to send 453 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: that belief system start to build up and them lifting 454 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 4: me up every time I felt like I was getting 455 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 4: ready to fall, and us winning a division although we 456 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 4: got knocked out, but to the World Series the next 457 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: year being the winners losing and then obviously things just 458 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 4: didn't go as we as we wanted. 459 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: But it was seen. 460 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 4: Shoot, at that year, twenty five guys plus how many 461 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 4: injuries we had, Reuben, you know, this whole system of 462 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 4: guys is coming up and buying into this is hours 463 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 4: we will win. 464 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: That was my proudest moment of my career. 465 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: It culminated an MVP, but it was seeing just everybody 466 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: buy into something. 467 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 3: To me. 468 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: You you you made that comment and then you wore 469 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 5: that comment every day of that and you backed it up. 470 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 3: So like, what twenty triples. 471 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: Yet thirty home runs. 472 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: Over forty doubles, I don't know. 473 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 5: I mean, you wore that comment every day and you 474 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 5: backed it up. 475 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: It was what an amazing season? 476 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah it was. 477 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: I lost fifteen pounds by the way, but I felt strong. 478 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 4: I felt, you know, usain boat fast. I felt like 479 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 4: I was flying that last game of the season when 480 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: I got that single and a stove sac and stove third. 481 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: You can tell me I wasn't Superman that day. 482 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 6: It was. 483 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was. It was a heavy 484 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: burden gym, It really was, you know. 485 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: I It wasn't the intent to put that pressure on 486 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: my teammates or myself. There's enough pressure being being out there, 487 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: or perceived pressure as as Jalen Hurts puts it, because 488 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 4: a lot of it is perceived. It's from the outside influences, 489 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 4: and but no one did. There's more pressure inside that clubhouse. 490 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 4: And that's looking at each other in the face when 491 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 4: we do something good or or or not so good. 492 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: That's pressure that I have to go in after a 493 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 4: moment where I feel like I caused a team, you know, 494 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: a loss, to look at my teammates and then have 495 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: to go in front of you guys and answer the 496 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 4: questions and stand up. You know, you can't bag away, 497 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 4: you can't duck your head. The city doesn't allow that. 498 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: But if you call yourself a leader, then you have 499 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 4: to stand up and take and and take that al 500 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: take that beating, but show up the next day prepared 501 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: to write that wrong. 502 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: Jimmy, let's stretch to the offense a little bit. 503 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 6: I wanted to talk to you because you're not big 504 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 6: in stature, you do have great. 505 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: Handspeed as a hitter, and that kind of stuff. 506 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 9: What happened to you mentally to start to think that 507 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 9: you believed in being able to drive the ball consistently 508 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 9: into the gaps then later on out of the ballpark. 509 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 9: I remember having conversations with the raging thing and no 510 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 9: way he's gonna hit thirty runs right. 511 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 4: That transition. That was something I always knew, how pop. 512 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 4: I remember my first home remember my first home run, 513 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 4: like out over the fence home run playing in Oakland 514 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 4: Bay Ruth. And you know, with with my dad batting practice, 515 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 4: I'm launching them just all day. It became a thing. 516 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 4: It was just like I just learned how to create 517 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: that angle to get the ball in the air. But 518 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 4: in the game it never happened. Hit my first home 519 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: run and left center. My dad still still has it. 520 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 4: He has he still has the footage of it in 521 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 4: center field. He's I hit the ball, he turns the 522 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: camera and I'm running around the base I'm like, I 523 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: knew it. I think it was off Erica Cotton, I mean, 524 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 4: and she was she was striking with everybody. 525 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not gonna strike me out. So I 526 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: had actually ended up hitting home run off of her. 527 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 4: But that was my first, my first. 528 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 3: But shout out to Erica. Shout out to Erica. 529 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: I would say about between four and five, I had 530 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: gone down to work with Tony Gwynn. H Jack Jones 531 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: allowed me to come down to San Diego stat his place, 532 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: and we had put in some work and I was 533 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 4: just learning about back path and I'm watching Jock and 534 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 4: Tony work and they're doing these impossible drills for me. 535 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: They're hit putting the ball off their back leg and 536 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: hitting bullets at the lefts in the corner and I 537 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 4: would do it and I would just kept hitting pop 538 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 4: up after pop up or rollover and I'm just like, man, 539 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 4: I don't know if I can do this. And I 540 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: would get frustrated, and Tony'd be like, why are you 541 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 4: getting upset? Like because you asked me to do something 542 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 4: I can't do, and I'm just going off and it's like, 543 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 4: but it's getting upset going to make you any better 544 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 4: and I'm like no, He's like, so, why are you 545 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 4: getting upset? So the first thing I learned to do 546 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 4: was not get upset at the struggle. Defensively, I knew 547 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 4: it the struggle led to greatness, But offensively, I just 548 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 4: wasn't accepting not being able to do something I'm watching 549 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: them to do with their eyes closed. Tony Gwyn is 550 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 4: a different man, Let's just be honest. He could do 551 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: anything with the bat, and Jock was his pupil. And 552 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 4: then so I learned that lesson. And then I started 553 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 4: hearing about Barry Bonds learning how to catch the ball 554 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 4: and what that meant, and I think we who's at 555 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 4: Cody Ransom came over from the Giant somewhere around that time, 556 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 4: and he was talking about how he would work with 557 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: Berry and drills that they would do. So I had 558 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 4: Tony on one side, who's the bottom hand guy hitting 559 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 4: the ball? 560 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: The other way? 561 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 4: Berry on the other side, who's the top hand guy 562 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 4: on driving the ball? And then my real mentor Bobby 563 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: I Bray you getting in and him literally fixing my swing, 564 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: fixing the little the I guess the little barrel dropped 565 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: that I would do and would cause a lot of 566 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: bat lag and pop ups. And once I straightened out, I, 567 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: once I got both sides my front arm, learned how 568 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 4: to pull the bat down without having a do this 569 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: and pop that elbow up, which is they kind of 570 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 4: teach this dumb launch angle thing. Now, once I learned 571 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 4: how to do that, I was able to put all 572 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: three pieces together. Bottom hand has a job, top hand 573 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: has a job. As long as I was conscious of 574 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 4: this and making that move as I turned, the bat 575 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 4: will drop me to slot naturally and swing up as 576 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 4: you turn through the ball. Then I said, okay, Barry says, 577 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: catching the ball knowing where my barrel is. If I 578 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: treat that as a glove, I can catch the ball 579 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 4: on the barrel. 580 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: And it just started making sense. I mean, it was 581 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: a lot of trust me. 582 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 4: It's a lot of Bobby telling me, get up, get 583 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: out regular day, Come on me and Rick can have 584 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: to watch. 585 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: It was a lot of that until I figured it out. 586 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: And then I would get to spring training and get 587 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: on an iron mic and I would get as close 588 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 4: as I could because I heard Pete Rose did it, 589 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 4: and I would just stand as close as I could. 590 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: And when you're standing so close, you can't waste. You 591 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: can't waste motion. There's no wasted movements when the ball's coming. 592 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 4: It's probably like one hundred and twenty miles prior when 593 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 4: you're that close. And I started barreling the ball and 594 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: then catching the ball started making sense. It didn't take 595 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 4: a lot of effort or movement to catch the ball. 596 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: It was just being efficient from A to B. Once 597 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: I did that, I was like, Okay, what happens if 598 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 4: I tried to manipulate the ball in the air. What 599 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: happens if I tried to manipulate the ball for a 600 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: low line drive? And feeling that difference? And I learned, 601 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: And when I especially count leverage, when I had a 602 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 4: count of pitchers, I knew I had you know, what 603 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 4: if I execute this move, I know what the results 604 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 4: should be. 605 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: And it just started to happen and happen. Then I 606 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: was able to get in the groove. 607 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 4: I knew certain pitches, certain counts that I was in 608 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 4: position to damage, and I wasn't afraid of it. I 609 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 4: think also was given freedom when Charlie came over, to 610 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: be able to hit the ball in the air and 611 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: try to drive the ball out the yard. Charlie like 612 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: he wants you to hit. He wants you to get hits. 613 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 4: He didn't want the ball in the air for pop ups. 614 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: But if you're going to drive the ball out the yard, 615 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 4: he was gonna let you go. He'd give you that 616 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 4: three green light. And I looking that dug out and 617 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 4: I'm like, hell yeah, Charlie, yeah, you know, and I 618 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: would be rewarded. And I hit some three old bombs, 619 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: my three zero counts. I was a real good hitting 620 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: kind of flick over the years. So it was just 621 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 4: a matter of me learning and then also me being 622 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 4: allowed to when Charlie got there to regime. Before that 623 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: old school, you know, hit the ball on the ground 624 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 4: us your speed got in a lot of trouble if 625 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 4: the ball went in the air. 626 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: But with Charlie, it was like, you. 627 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 4: Know, until you prove you can't do it, I'm gonna 628 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 4: go ahead and let you, you know, be yourself and 629 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 4: be all that you can't be and get out the 630 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: most out of your abilities. So all that to say, 631 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: it took a lot of work, and then I was 632 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 4: half Then I was given permission to go ahead and 633 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 4: make those attempts to do that, and I. 634 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: Was able to have some succession driving the ball out 635 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: the art. 636 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: Great stuff, man, great stuff. Thank you. 637 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: I thank them. It was them they, I mean they 638 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: put in work. 639 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: I listen, I studied baseball. 640 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 8: I studied hitting for a long long time the leagues, 641 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 8: and you know, if you want to get you got 642 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 8: to study and you gotta work at it. And yeah, 643 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 8: that explanation to me, I've never heard it from before. 644 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: And I loved hearing Austin time. 645 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. But look, I had to go 646 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: to Bobby. 647 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: I literally we were at the VET and so it 648 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 4: took a year and and me and Bobby laughed. It 649 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: took about a year and a half before he worked 650 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: with me. I'm like, Bobby, like, what is it. I'm like, 651 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: let me come work with He was like, okay, come 652 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 4: work with me. But he never invited me to say, okay, 653 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: come work with me. So I had to literally find 654 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: out this schedule, which kind of, you know, got me 655 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 4: in a little trouble sometimes, you know, the Bobby or 656 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 4: Bray you schedule and figure out when he would hit. 657 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 4: And it was never before he'd go in after BP, 658 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: when the cage was open and everybody's in there eating 659 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: and lunching, he'd go. He'd go in and start doing 660 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 4: this work. So one day that just happened to sneak 661 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: in and he laughed at me. 662 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: I was like, I got you. 663 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: And so from then on we worked and worked and 664 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 4: worked until we got it right. 665 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 5: I love your invitation to Charlie giving you the three 666 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 5: old greens. 667 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: That Bill rings. 668 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: That that's the best about Charlie though. I know, you know, 669 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: he was just so positive and just built you guys up. 670 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 2: Do you think he Hays can do stuff? And I know, 671 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: like there were times after a game where not necessarily you, 672 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: but somebody would swing it a three to zero pitch 673 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: and pop it up and then we'd go, do you 674 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: want him swinging at three open? 675 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 10: Goddamn, it's over the plate, you know, I want to 676 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 10: in that count. And it made so much like it 677 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 10: made so much swinging at the first pitch. Well, if 678 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 10: it's a good pitch, yeah I want I'm swinging at it, man. 679 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: And it's funny because in today's game, like there's a 680 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 4: lot of things I think players in my generation got 681 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 4: in trouble for, especially as leadoff hitters. 682 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: And yes, leadoff hitters have switched. 683 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 4: Now your lead off hitter now hits fifty home runs 684 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 4: and the lineups were situated, you know, differently, But I 685 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 4: always felt so you're telling me I need to sacrifice 686 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: maa bat for somebody three three hitters for three hitters 687 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 4: later like that made no sense. I did my homework 688 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 4: the same way they did their homework. They're gonna pitch 689 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 4: me completely differently than they're gonna pitch Ryan Howard, Chase Uddley, 690 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 4: Pat Burrow, Jada or Bobby Bray. You those guys, They're 691 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: not pitched me the same way. So why am I 692 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: taking pitches for them? So you want me to take 693 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 4: a ninety ninety four fastball right down the middle so 694 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: you can see his breaking ball, Well, now don't. I 695 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 4: don't want to see his breaking ball. That pitch is 696 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 4: not meant to be hit. And that was my mentality 697 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 4: and I would get in a lot of trouble for it. 698 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 4: But if you look at my career, me swinging early 699 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 4: one to oh counts, the numbers played out that that 700 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: was the best time for me to be swinging it 701 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: back and going back to Charlie, it got to a 702 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 4: point where yeah, he didn't care. Oh oh, and it's 703 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 4: one nothing. I did my job, Oh oh, and I 704 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 4: had a weak round ball. Then we got to talk 705 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 4: about it. But I still have permission. I still have permission. 706 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 4: That was the biggest Having freedom is huge, having freedom to. 707 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Go ahead and play your game, right or wrong. It 708 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: was on It was on me to succeed. But right 709 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: or wrong. 710 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 4: I had that freedom where in the past years in 711 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 4: the early years, it was. 712 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: Like a lade up fit. 713 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 4: Are supposed to see fourty five pitches, and I'm like, well, 714 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 4: the more pitches I see, the worse I get. 715 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: Right, That's just what it was. 716 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: I was just trying to look I was trying to 717 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: look this up and I couldn't find it. But I 718 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: know I've looked it up once in the past, because 719 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: you would get killed a lot for swing at the 720 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: first pitch. And I remember looking up the stat one 721 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: time in your career numbers when you put the first 722 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: pitch in play in any of that you were hitting 723 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: like three thirteen career, Yeah, twenty career. When you put 724 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: the first pitch of it that bat in play, you 725 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: did very very well. 726 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, trust me, I'm very aware of this. But I 727 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: could you know, I couldn't use it as an argument. 728 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 4: I'm not going to go to the media and answer 729 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 4: a question that way, it is what it is, you know, 730 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 4: if you really want to look it up. I know 731 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 4: where I suceeed, and it's my job to know that. 732 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 4: And anyway, Charlie gave me permission, So talk to Charlie