WEBVTT - RAY CUNNINGHAM - Secret Ingredient

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Coy and today we have very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest reality star mister Rays in the Building.

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<v Speaker 2>Star og Media Moguls is in the building.

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<v Speaker 3>Man of many titles and many jobs. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And that's kind of how the industry is, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how LA is. You can't just be a one

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<v Speaker 3>trick The rent is always do. You got to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to make it move when when jobs ain't moving.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're a millennial, you've been through so many

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<v Speaker 1>shockwaves from like you know, COVID, the writers strike. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just there's always something. You know, before that there

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<v Speaker 1>was the Alway crash of real estate. So now you

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, you have to have multiple jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to be able to adapt and improvise and overcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Like when I was doing reality television, then COVID came

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody was swimming anything. So I went to grad school,

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<v Speaker 3>got my master's and I wrote a book that ended

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<v Speaker 3>up being a bestseller on Amazon. Uh. Then when the

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<v Speaker 3>writer strike happened, there was no more TV happening again.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went and learned how to be a producer,

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<v Speaker 3>so cause there were still projects being produced, but there

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<v Speaker 3>was no actors acting. So I was able to learn

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<v Speaker 3>how to be a talent producer and learn the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the inner workings of how to warn a production thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to Hellionaire Productions. Shout out to Jamie. And then even

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<v Speaker 3>when things got back to normal, I decided I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to work in the community and do stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>help give back and help some Los Angeles students go

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<v Speaker 3>to school so they can have the same kind of

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<v Speaker 3>HBCU experience that I had. So I've been working with

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<v Speaker 3>United Negro College Fund and the Black College Expo and

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<v Speaker 3>just I just God has blessed me to be multi

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<v Speaker 3>talented and be able to exist in a lot of spaces.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we talking about a lot of spaces. Yes, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me what you're gonna feed me. I am starving, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It is lunchtime over here, so I will be eating

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<v Speaker 1>the full dish and the little crumbs.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are you gonna have me eating today?

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<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna make mister Ray's tacos. Since we're in

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<v Speaker 3>LA and everybody eats healthy out here, We're gonna use

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<v Speaker 3>checking oh excuse, We're gonna use turkey meat. We're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to eat healthy, eat right for our blood type out here.

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<v Speaker 3>So we used turkey. I got some secret ingredients. We

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<v Speaker 3>got our tomatoes, our onions, our cheese, our lettuce, our sauca.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a special hot sausa. If you have sinuses,

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<v Speaker 3>this will clear you out. Okay, in both ways, I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm scared that what are your secret ingredients?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on?

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<v Speaker 3>So anywhile broke in college, I ate on a budget,

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<v Speaker 3>but I came from very humble beginnings. But I still

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<v Speaker 3>ate well. And then of course when you get to college,

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<v Speaker 3>my dad was like, okay, you on your own. You

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<v Speaker 3>need to get you a job or you know, work

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<v Speaker 3>on campus, get some extra money because we're paying for

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<v Speaker 3>you to be in school. So I wanted to eat

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<v Speaker 3>how I ate it home, So I had to improvise

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<v Speaker 3>with a couple of things. So there was a top

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<v Speaker 3>China carry out right near us. There was the grocery

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<v Speaker 3>store right near of food. It was called food Line

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<v Speaker 3>in Virginia shout out to Virginia State University. So I

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<v Speaker 3>would go get the meat, the tacos. We would watch

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<v Speaker 3>one O six in park. When I used to come

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<v Speaker 3>on in six o'clock, we watched one on six in

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<v Speaker 3>Park and I would make tacos for us to eat

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<v Speaker 3>and then we would go back to schools. Back then,

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<v Speaker 3>in college, I was the mascot, so we had band practice,

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<v Speaker 3>so I had to go learn the dances and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that. So we would eat tacos, watch one O

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<v Speaker 3>six in park, and then go back to campus. So

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<v Speaker 3>this was my version of a gourmet taco. Well, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>so I use soy sauce. I know it sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>but I had so many soy sauce packets from eating

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese food to go in college. I used to use

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<v Speaker 3>it as a seasoning because I was like, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing, So my hands are clean.

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<v Speaker 2>Go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you're not gonna end up touch the meat a

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<v Speaker 3>lot though, right, No, I'm not touching that I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually put their hands on the meat and then

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<v Speaker 1>they touch their hair by accident.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the same people who probably don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>difference between a wash face cloth and a body cloth.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, chicken cooks, turkey and chicken, all those

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<v Speaker 3>cook pretty fast.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't need the oil, right because it's I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it has its own fat.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna use a little bit of oil, not a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>just a drop, because it's yeah, it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>on that side, that's a lot, right, Well, you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>get it cooking. Now, we don't see I'm judging.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a I'm a I'm a side side host.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see when the soy sauce.

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<v Speaker 2>When when the soy sauce enters the pan? So he

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<v Speaker 2>got the Okay, I'll narrate. So, Okay, he's he's brown

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<v Speaker 2>in the meat taco seasoning.

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<v Speaker 3>See, when you're not using beef and you're using like

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<v Speaker 3>turkey stuff like that, you really have to season your meat.

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<v Speaker 2>And we like good meat, right, a whole packet. We

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<v Speaker 2>learned on one episode that we're not supposed to use

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<v Speaker 2>the whole packete us.

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<v Speaker 3>Some chef I'm from I'm from Virginia. We cook, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we seasoned, we cooked, We brown our meat. Make sure

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<v Speaker 3>it tastes great. It's supposed to be a party in

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<v Speaker 3>your mouth. Yeah, exactly like that. Good all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So take me back to what was going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the tackle making days.

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<v Speaker 3>So in Virginia State University, I was in school. I

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<v Speaker 3>was a mass calm major. I'm just using a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a little onion powdered.

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<v Speaker 1>Little onion powder after he added the entire taco seasoning.

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<v Speaker 2>Packet Italian power. Are you gonna add garlic powder?

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<v Speaker 3>No, we ain't doing all that now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, I feel like those two are married for life.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, college was a great time. It was the

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<v Speaker 3>best four years of my life. Figured out who I was,

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<v Speaker 3>came and started living in my truth. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>where mister Ray was developed. Know. I grew up in

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty conservative family. You know, I'm the young this

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<v Speaker 3>boy of the four siblings. My dad and I are

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<v Speaker 3>best friends. My grandmother and I are best friends. I

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<v Speaker 3>grew up in Virginia with my father and my mother

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<v Speaker 3>was actually here in California. So every summer, every summer,

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<v Speaker 3>fall break, Christmas break, spring break, I was out here.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait a minute, So your dad raised you by himself.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a stepmother as well. Yeah, yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a step mother and a stepfather. So I got an

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<v Speaker 3>East Coast family and a West Coast friend. So I

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<v Speaker 3>ain't new to La. I been here. I'm a co native,

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<v Speaker 3>uh since nineteen You're the youngest, I'm the baby, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>my mom's only Oh, my dad has other children. I

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<v Speaker 3>have half.

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<v Speaker 2>Siblings, but you're the youngest.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the baby of all.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Guessing they separated.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they.

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<v Speaker 3>Separated, and then my father remarried, and my mother moved

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<v Speaker 3>back here and she remarried. Okay, so I was. I

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<v Speaker 3>grew up. I was. I was living a good life.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to, you know, live in Virginia, come to

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<v Speaker 3>La every break. So like Hollywood, it wasn't new to

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<v Speaker 3>me when I got into it. I knew where everything

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty much. And I had friends out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's at in the soil, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>so and soft.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is the college hookup we had used to

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<v Speaker 3>I used to use packets of this. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 3>you're it's gonna be so good. I am definitely curious, cause,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a black colleges, we have to make do

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<v Speaker 3>with what we have. A lot of soy sauce. It's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna cook down. You're not gonna taste it.

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<v Speaker 2>They gonna see this.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. I hope it's delicious. It's amazing. It is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>That much.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not. I hate dry meat.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>I just caught that. But No, in college, we were

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<v Speaker 3>just cooking on the budget. We were trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>things taste good with what we have. We used condiments everything. So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just I came to California in the

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<v Speaker 3>summers and I would watch my grandmother and my mother cook.

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<v Speaker 3>And because my grandmother retired from Compton High School, she

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of Hispanic homegirls had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>friends out here. My grandmother got the hookup everywhere she went,

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<v Speaker 3>still does, and they made the best tacos. And I

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<v Speaker 3>would sit and watch those women make tacos, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I would go back to Virginia. You know, we eating

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<v Speaker 3>pig feet, port neck, all kinds of stuff, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna taco but like Chipotle was the boom of

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<v Speaker 3>Mexican food in Virginia, I promise you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said that in college you discover your true self.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I grew up in the era of

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<v Speaker 3>being very conservative, don't ask, and you don't tell your

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<v Speaker 3>business to nobody. So when I was casting for college

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<v Speaker 3>here on my first show that I did, we trited

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<v Speaker 3>filming in the fall of my senior year and it

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<v Speaker 3>aired that spring. I admitted what I admitted, my sensuality

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<v Speaker 3>on national television. At the time, I thought the world

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<v Speaker 3>was over. I was trying my best. I was blowing

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<v Speaker 3>on beans, like you cannot air that my I have

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<v Speaker 3>not said. I have not told my parents. I have

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<v Speaker 3>not told my family. Like saying you're gay and being

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<v Speaker 3>gay are two different conversations, And at that time, I

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<v Speaker 3>just actually knowing it. Knowing your gay is okay, you

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<v Speaker 3>know you're gay, you know what you like. But saying

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<v Speaker 3>it verbally to someone else other than yourself in the mirror,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a crazy experience, okay. And I wasn't really ready

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<v Speaker 3>for it, and it made me the first black gay

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<v Speaker 3>reality personality ever on BET. So. I know I made history,

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<v Speaker 3>but I thought I was about to be history because

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know how my dad was gonna react. But

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<v Speaker 3>it actually allowed us to get so much closer and

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<v Speaker 3>talk with each other and to share everything. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>you can tell my dad right now today that he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't already know about good, bad, embarrassing, whatever. We talk

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<v Speaker 3>like that. That's that situation taught us. But I know

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<v Speaker 3>that's not like that for everybody. I did have some relatives.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a little feisty about it, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you matter. What do you care? This is

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<v Speaker 3>my body, this is my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Were they mad because you said it on national television?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they had to deal with You know again,

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<v Speaker 3>I came from I was from Virginia, so everybody knew everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody knew everybody's family, everybody worked together, went the church together,

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<v Speaker 3>was at the grocery store together. Like everybody knew everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was It's not that it was a secret either,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you knew me, you knew you. I'm saying Dad,

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<v Speaker 3>was he shocked or was he like, boy, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>shocked at all. I don't ever, You're not gonna make

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<v Speaker 3>me believe that my dad was shocked. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>was just more so disappointed that I did not have

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<v Speaker 3>that conversation with him first, because he thought that we

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<v Speaker 3>were closer than that. We're close, But how do you

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<v Speaker 3>tell your black dad hed dad as the only as

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<v Speaker 3>the youngest boy, I like men, how many other boys

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<v Speaker 3>does he have? Oh I have a step brother, Oh

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<v Speaker 3>step I'm the namesake. I'm the third. There's two other

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<v Speaker 3>rays in front of me, him and my grandfather. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's just, you know, I just think it was that

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<v Speaker 3>you have a step brother.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're technically the youngest boy, the youngest boy of

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<v Speaker 1>his Yes, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother was having kids when I came to live

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<v Speaker 3>with my dad and my stepmother, and then my oldest

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<v Speaker 3>sister was having kids when I came. So I grew

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<v Speaker 3>up with four of my nieces like we were brothers

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<v Speaker 3>and sister. Yeah, so they're like, they're like, they're like

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<v Speaker 3>between the ages of twenty eight and thirty five. Three

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<v Speaker 3>of my nieces actually have sons. So I'm great uncle Ray.

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<v Speaker 3>We aren't gonna say great uncle Ray, but I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>great on go to three boys, uncle to five girls,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have one nephew through my sister. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 3>know it's a lot. Okay, So I don't need kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you don't want kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't I'm forty. I don't want kids. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to look like I don't gole pick it up my child.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a three year old.

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<v Speaker 3>So see you already have one at forty though, yeah, thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>it started late. I started thirty seven. Well, see, this

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<v Speaker 3>is my traveling era. This is my hilarious random.

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<v Speaker 2>Era, forty years of Okay, I'm not gonna say.

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<v Speaker 3>My nieces and nephews are my kids. Yeah, I'll trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna sell you on that responsibility. So what

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<v Speaker 2>are we gonna do next?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we? So we're gonna get a taco?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I gonna I'm gonna get two.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get yeah, I am too. Yeah, come on, let's

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<v Speaker 3>let's not act like I was trying to be classy

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<v Speaker 3>while we while we do our you don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>be classy. So you gotta let me know if you taste,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna fall it. Go for it. Okay. Ooh, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't get.

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<v Speaker 2>To it's not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you it's good right, It's the meat. It

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<v Speaker 3>is what makes the taco my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, may hook me up a little more.

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<v Speaker 3>You want some more? Okay? And we also have cheese

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<v Speaker 3>and onion. I told you were gonna like this. Which

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<v Speaker 3>one you wanted? There? There you go? Thanks, put some

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<v Speaker 3>more of your.

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<v Speaker 2>Other one, thank you? Okay, So we just freak stout

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<v Speaker 2>lettuce and tomato.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, you put lettuce tomato right with the cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>Let it melk. Let me taste the meat.

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<v Speaker 2>Meat girl, boy, listen, listen, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 2>That meat, that meat I don't know. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to give you that credit or that

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<v Speaker 2>seasoning credits.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that was the that was my secret ingredient. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the soy sauce cause it wasn't even

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<v Speaker 3>boom it's And that's the thing when you even though

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<v Speaker 3>you wanna eat healthy, you still want to have some season,

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<v Speaker 3>get some you know, some juiciness.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just tell you something, guys, the soy sauce

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<v Speaker 2>in the taco meat probably made like a world of

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<v Speaker 2>a difference. And I promise you I will never make

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<v Speaker 2>tacos without it.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you the.

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<v Speaker 2>Secret ingredient isn't a secret ingredient anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the world now knows that mister Ray's the hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Sauce with me taco the soy sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, a hot sauce. Oh no, we haven't got

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<v Speaker 3>to the hot sauce yet. Hot sauce is amazing. Oop.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we're getting excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like, yeah, someone's house right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we're sitting like you comfortable here. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very comfortable to add sour cream to this. You know what,

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<v Speaker 3>As I've turned forty, uh, dairy products sometimes are not

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<v Speaker 3>my friend in the middle of the day, so I

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<v Speaker 3>pick and choose my sour cream battles.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you don't consider sauce so like instead of hot sauce, like, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>we just salsa it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mind salt so like. I do have friends

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<v Speaker 3>that prefer saucer. And then I prefer the green.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he wants me to try this green.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes it's so hot tall so oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>You put a lot in Chicago and this place called

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<v Speaker 3>Burrito Beach and they had it and it was so good.

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<v Speaker 3>And then, oh my god, it's amazing. Dad. It don't

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<v Speaker 3>put too much. Friend, it's coming out so slow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm hungry, guys. I know you want to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>The story, but hung I want to see how you

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<v Speaker 3>like to taco.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm gonna like it. I'm gonna I'm enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>my first couple of bites before I get to hell.

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<v Speaker 3>M mm hmmm the meat alone, me have the golk cup.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the green. Oh no, it wasn't the green like

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<v Speaker 3>the show. Oh hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you something. You killed it on the meat.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that the best taco meat I've ever had. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my goodness, thank you. See I'm in my cooking era.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in my traveling era. I'm trying to get engaged. Era.

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<v Speaker 3>Got the best way of somebody's harder to this stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>Chased the green. It's a kick to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Who you know what? I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's flavor. It's hot, but it has a flavor to it.

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<v Speaker 3>But just put a little dabs on it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a quick pause because I'm really right.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want any Ecco cameratersbody to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna eat for a second, and I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>into the shopping.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is why everybody came over to my apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>I made these tacos, and I used to tell all

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<v Speaker 3>my friends save your save your soy sauce packets. That

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<v Speaker 3>was so cord. We're gonna come back. We throw the commercials. Okay, ol,

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<v Speaker 3>guys were back.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys were back. Sorry. The food was so

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<v Speaker 2>good that I had to call time out.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We was really hungry, and I ate.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to do a special shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>the soy sauce. I will say I've never thought to

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<v Speaker 1>put soy sauce in taco meat. But if you've cooked

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<v Speaker 1>with ground turkey, you know that it's typically dry. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was clowning mister Ray because he was putting so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I was scared.

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<v Speaker 1>But it actually makes it a lot more softer and

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<v Speaker 1>me that or you didn't overcook it. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but the meat came out really good. The flavoring was

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<v Speaker 1>really good. So if you're at home, try the soy sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>add the onion powder. As far as the hot sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>I did try it. I got a little bit excited

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<v Speaker 1>at the end. I thought I could handle it. My

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<v Speaker 1>mouth is on absolute fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Your notes will be so clear. If not afternoon delicious tacos.

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<v Speaker 1>So now that we have the tacos out the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you can come closer. Try not to eat into everyone's ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry guys.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so you do your first reality show, BT

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<v Speaker 1>comes out. Begged all these guys not to air it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, you signed these releases, golm down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, They're like, we have the footage. It's airing next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's not changing.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the check looking.

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<v Speaker 3>Like back then? Because we were the first black reality

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<v Speaker 3>TV series, we are the the beginning the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>all reality TV in terms of black reality television. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I don't remember the exact amount, but b ET

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<v Speaker 3>paid us a weekly. We got paid weekly. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>laugh at this because again we were the first black

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<v Speaker 3>reality show and we were in college. We got paid

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred dollars a week in cash. I remember that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I believe when we signed on we got paid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember exactly how much, but I know while

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<v Speaker 3>we were in production and while we traveled to promote

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<v Speaker 3>the show, like when we were in New York from

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<v Speaker 3>montal Suston Park, Miami for Spring Bring New York for

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<v Speaker 3>the Runway in LA for the awards, we got a

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<v Speaker 3>per diem while we were there. So it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>they just had us out there too, and we were

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<v Speaker 3>feeding for ourselves. So way different from they didn't get paid.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, they didn't have you starve.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, no, no, no, no, we didn't have any

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<v Speaker 3>of that. I will say that we came up at

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<v Speaker 3>the very humble beginnings when BT first went over to Viacom,

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<v Speaker 3>so we got a lot of exposure. We got to

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<v Speaker 3>go to so many things, but because our cast, we

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<v Speaker 3>were so hungry to be out there and wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>just see the world and everybody to see us and

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<v Speaker 3>represent Virginia State. We did a lot on our own.

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<v Speaker 3>We would go to the local radio stations and ask

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<v Speaker 3>for donations and fundraise so we can get to certain

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<v Speaker 3>places because B and T will be like, well, if

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<v Speaker 3>y'all get here, we'll take care of you. Oh that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>And we would just do whatever we needed to do

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<v Speaker 3>to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when they say it will take care of you,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll put you up a hotel.

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<v Speaker 3>The hotel, car transportation will take care of everything. The

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<v Speaker 3>issue was just sometimes it was traveling. Like I know,

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<v Speaker 3>we had to make our own way to Miami for

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<v Speaker 3>spring Bling, but we got to spring Bling. I got

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<v Speaker 3>to We stayed at the best hotel right on the

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<v Speaker 3>beach in Fort Lauderdale, and we met like Ello Cool

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<v Speaker 3>J and Keisha Cole when she first started like we

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<v Speaker 3>were the college kids backstage, like you know, we were

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<v Speaker 3>still in class. Yeah, so that was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And during all of this going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I should listened to my dad. He was like that

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<v Speaker 3>TV stuff gonna still be there, but your classes, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to graduate. You gotta come up out of there. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I did over indulge. I had a great time. We

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<v Speaker 3>were always on the road because the show aired in

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<v Speaker 3>the spring, and I graduated because I ended up feeling

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<v Speaker 3>in class and had to graduate in the fall, so

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<v Speaker 3>I finished the class. I took a three week summer

0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.720
<v Speaker 3>school class. I got an a in that I'm not

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 3>gonna say that teacher's name, but but you still you

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<v Speaker 3>still graduated. Yeah, it's still coming out in May. But

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<v Speaker 3>the shady part of it was they didn't let me

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<v Speaker 3>know till like the day before graduation that I wasn't

0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.280
<v Speaker 3>clear to graduate. So my family had played this huge

0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.800
<v Speaker 3>cookout and everything, so we still had to cookout. We

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.120
<v Speaker 3>still ate and had a good time. But I had

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.200
<v Speaker 3>moved out here to La started working at BT. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to fly back in December to walk across the

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<v Speaker 3>stage and at first I wasn't going to it. I

0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.359
<v Speaker 3>was like, they tried it, But then I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what rules are the rules? I needed to

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<v Speaker 3>be responsible, learn how to manage my time. So that

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<v Speaker 3>was a lesson learned for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so after that whole experience, what was your

0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:48.720
<v Speaker 2>next big play?

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<v Speaker 3>I went to work at Beet in the corporate communications department.

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<v Speaker 3>I was there as an intern and then I ain't

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<v Speaker 3>up staying for about two three years and then.

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<v Speaker 2>From b as a paid internship.

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<v Speaker 3>I was fresh out of college and I was on

0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.679
<v Speaker 3>b ET and working at b ET, so there was

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.200
<v Speaker 3>money involved. Back then, I was getting paid as talent

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 3>after work, getting paid as an employee during the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Then who I've done so many things from b ET.

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<v Speaker 3>I went and actually worked with my father. My father

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<v Speaker 3>retired from Amtrak in DC. A lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 3>know this, and I was living in DC. Nobody knew

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:28.639
<v Speaker 3>what I was doing because you know, I had, you know,

0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 3>working on the train and working at Amtrak. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>It's in our union guideline that you can't post yourself

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<v Speaker 3>and post you know, train business. Yes, so I mean

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.960
<v Speaker 3>some people who occasional would post themselves in a uniform.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally was not trying to post myself in a uniform.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to draw a lot of attention that

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<v Speaker 3>I was, you know, in DC and working. But people

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<v Speaker 3>knew that I had a government related job. So I

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<v Speaker 3>did that. And while I did that, I worked out

0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.840
<v Speaker 3>of New York at WeTV as well, So I was

0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:59.280
<v Speaker 3>just digital hosts and correspondence so the Braxton Family Values,

0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 3>swv LA Hair, all those shows. I was like the

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<v Speaker 3>wee TV Andy Coo when I interviewed everybody. I did

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.760
<v Speaker 3>the digital reunions, I hosted the award shows. I was

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<v Speaker 3>execut produce all of those things. I edited most of

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<v Speaker 3>those things. We TV paid very well because did you

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 3>have to pitch yourself for that or did they just

0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.679
<v Speaker 3>reach out to me. I was in a bar and

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I met this lady that she was over listening. She

0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 3>was listening to my conversation. I was talking about the

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Braxton Show, the Braxton Family Values, and she kept laughing

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.439
<v Speaker 3>and like button in my conversation. She was like, you

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.840
<v Speaker 3>are so funny. Here's my car. Can you call me

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 3>on Monday? So I looked at the car and I

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.639
<v Speaker 3>said we TV. I was just like we TV. So

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 3>I called my sister. She was like call them people,

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 3>see what they talking about. And it was like she's like,

0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm the head of original programming and in digital marketing,

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:49.919
<v Speaker 3>and she said, and I would love to have you

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 3>like commentate. All of our shows will pay you, you know,

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 3>per episode, will bring you up to New York. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm work the trade for free girl. So I was hustling.

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.680
<v Speaker 3>I was working. When I was free, I was doing

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 3>we TV and it was great money. It was a

0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 3>good time. I got to meet some of everybody, and

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 3>that's how befriended my gird girlfriend, Tracy Braxon, who unfortunate

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.399
<v Speaker 3>is no longer here with us. But I got to

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 3>work with my childhood icons s WV. They had a show,

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 3>so it was just it was a good time. So

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 3>I was being professional, had a corporate nine to five

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 3>with benefits, and then I was still pursuing my passion,

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 3>and that's all my dad wanted me to do. Pursue

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.440
<v Speaker 3>my passion. But make sure you got some savings, make

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 3>sure you got benefits, because you know, as we get older,

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 3>we get sick. You know, I never would have thought

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.640
<v Speaker 3>COVID would have happened back then, but like, I'm glad

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I have health insurance. At what point did you quit Amtrak?

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 3>When I got the call to come and do love

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 3>and hip hop Hollywood, so I was already I came

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 3>out here to visit my mother. My mother was having

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 3>some personal things going on, and I wanted to be

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.960
<v Speaker 3>out here just to be of support for her, and

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 3>she was having she had something was going wrong with

0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 3>her heart and she had to have a surgery, and

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to come out here just be near her.

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 3>And I started thinking about it. I was like, you know,

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing this sweet TV stuff. It's going really well.

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I make just as much money there as I do

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 3>it Amtrak. Maybe it's time for me to yeah, oh

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 3>shoot it. I love that you kept a hustle.

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah going, So then you.

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.919
<v Speaker 2>You entertained quitting, right, So walk me through that.

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 3>My boss found out that I was in l A,

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 3>not that I was found out. I took a leave

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 3>of absence. My boss called me and said, you need

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 3>to report to work tomorrow morning. At eleven am. I

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 3>was sitting in Studio City at Cafe Rue smoking a hookah.

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.920
<v Speaker 3>It was like six o'clock. I will never forget this day.

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I said, I'm in Los Angeles. I would have to

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 3>fly back, get a flight, fly back to where I lived,

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 3>and then get to DC. They said, if you can't

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 3>be here, we're riding you up. And you were on

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 3>a leaf I was leaving. I was, I was. I

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 3>took like a thirty day leave absence to be here

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 3>with my mother. This was like the twenty ninth day,

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Like thirtieth. Going into the thirtieth, I said, you know what,

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.879
<v Speaker 3>it was like, I will ever forget y'all. It was

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 3>like Halloween. I was like day before Halloween. I was like,

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.439
<v Speaker 3>fuck this job. I called my UNI rap I said,

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 3>I quit. I ain't coming. I quit.

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Now. Did you think you were reacting on emotion or

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 2>you were just I.

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 3>Was already fed up with that situation working at Amtrak.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 3>I think Amtrak is an awesome company. Unfortunately, the people

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 3>that they had in management I thought were idiots. They

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 3>were there was a that's nice, they don't watch this interview. Okay,

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 3>most of them fired for their idiotisms. You said they

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 3>have been fired. Yes, you keeping up with the current events. Yeah,

0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I still because I still friends with the people that

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 3>I came in with and I worked the railroad. I

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>just was at a point in my life where I

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.880
<v Speaker 3>was like fuck that, Like, no, you're not gonna talk

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 3>to me like that, and then you're not FNNA. It

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 3>was just a hostile work environment across the board for

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:16.479
<v Speaker 3>everybody from upper management to us, and I was just like,

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 3>you know what, fuck this. I'm about to be on

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 3>love and hip hop yeah and the table. Yes, I

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 3>was like I was already thinking about because I was

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 3>trying to transfer to LA and they were making it

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 3>difficult for me to transfer. I was trying to keep

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 3>my job and come to LA and do the same thing,

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 3>because what I do outside of work shouldn't it doesn't

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 3>affect No.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>But I am definitely curious. What were you doing for Amtrak?

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.479
<v Speaker 3>I was in customer service, so I was basically like

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 3>the one board customer service manager. You would say, so no, no, no,

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 3>So I would actually be on the trains. I was

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 3>in charge of the dining car cruise.

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, ride Amtrak. I don't know if I had.

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 3>I worked at the long distance Trains. My regular train

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.239
<v Speaker 3>went from DC to Chicago. So I would leave on

0:26:55.280 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 3>a Friday, be there Saturday morning, leave Chicago that after noon,

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 3>be back to DC Saturday Sunday morning. So yeah, n trains,

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 3>so you wouldn't even know I was gone. I would

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 3>leave Friday and be back Sunday for brunch like nothing happened,

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 3>you know. So that's my friends. I always joking me,

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>like you don't want to have a job, like you're

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 3>always at an event still, And I was like, because

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 3>the way I work, Wow, we work three on three

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 3>days on you still track?

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>No, I want to try am track.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 3>I think after that last phone call I had with

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>them over the track, they don't want to hear from

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Meuse that.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time you were was that the last time

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you were actually on the Amtrak train?

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh No, I got back on the train road the

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 3>train plenty of times after. What they gonna do to me?

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 2>How much is an Amtrak ticket?

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 3>It depends where you're going. So like if you take

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 3>the exceler that's more of the high speed and that's

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 3>the more expensive ticket, so you can get from DC

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 3>to New York in like three hours. But if you

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 3>take a regional train that's like more of the old

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 3>school cars that you see in movies and stuff, that

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 3>could be like a five six hour train.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one is the nice one? Don't they have like rooms?

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Excel? Oh that's the sleeper cars. The sleeper see the

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 3>sleeper cars and they have deluxe rooms. Get me saying

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 3>this stuff like I.

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so yeah, google your Amtrak.

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 3>I am a railroad baby, though I'm a proud third

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.239
<v Speaker 3>generation railroad baby. My grandfather worked on the railroad. My

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 3>father was a conductor on the railway. He was there

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 3>forty two years, like conductor as he drove it. Well,

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>no conductor, he was in charge of the train. So

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 3>the engineer drives the trade. But my dad he also

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.719
<v Speaker 3>started the human rights and diversity department for Amtrak, and

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I think that and that was after I came out

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 3>on television, So I think by our situation helped him

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 3>see things differently and able to share with other employees

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 3>across the country how you can deal with diversity in

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 3>the workplace because he was dealing with it in his home.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you get the love and hip hop offer.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we ain't trying to promote amtrack just so you

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>guys knows the show. But anyway, so you get the

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>love and hip hop offer, You're like, f the day job.

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Peace.

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 3>You tell your dad right away. Oh, I was excited

0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 3>to call me. I was. He already knew I was.

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 3>My dad knows me, and I'm gonna tell you where

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 3>to go and how you can get there. When I

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 3>get to that point and I was like, Daddy, i

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 3>quit amstrak And I was like, damn, damn them, I'm

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 3>done with it. I'm about to be on this show

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 3>and whatever I need to do to do to make

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 3>it work. I'm gonna make it work.

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And what did he say?

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 3>He was like, you grown, okay, cool, He wasn't mad.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 3>He already saw things that I was experiencing because I

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 3>wasn't rare. We call them railroad babies. They felt I

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 3>was getting special treatment, I implied for those jobs I

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 3>interviewed for those jobs. I was qualified for those jobs.

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 3>And because my father was such a big name at

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 3>the company, I often got heat for that or they

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 3>felt I wasn't deserving of it, but they would still

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 3>want me to train the people there was less qualified

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 3>to do the job. Okay, So what did your mom

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 3>think about you staying? She was happy? I don't think

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 3>she was happy. What I think my mother was more so,

0:29:55.760 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're doing TV again? Like this again? Like you know,

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>my mom is a is a very studious person, so

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 3>she want to you know, she's in the medical field.

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 3>So TV and people being in your business and being

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 3>out and around a bunch of people, that's not my mother.

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 3>She's a total opposite. My dad is me. We're socialites,

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 3>like to be everywhere, busybodies. That is not my mother.

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 3>So she was like, none of that sounds interesting to me.

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 3>But if you want to do it. Okay, Love and

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Hip Hop wasn't my best chapter, but it definitely reintroduced

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 3>me to people ten years later.

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I gotta ask, is Love and Hip Hop scripted?

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I think certain cities and I think certain scenes are

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 3>I think. Let me not say, I think. I can

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 3>only say I think about other franchises. I can only

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 3>speak for Hollywood, and I feel like with Hollywood and

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 3>now I feel like I know with Hollywood there was

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 3>truth in every scene, but everything was exaggerated. Yeah, a

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of surprises though, but stuff you would expect, you know.

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:00.959
<v Speaker 1>So okay, so what's the day in the life when

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>you're shooting like a Love and Hip Hop?

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 3>So the best part for me because I was only

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>get guy on the cast. Well, no, it was others,

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 3>but I was the one that got glambed. So they

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 3>would come to the house, they would do your makeup,

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>cut your hair.

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Only, Oh, you're the only guy that got glam Yeah,

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't think the other gentleman got glam like that,

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 3>not that I know of the haircut, get your face

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 3>done up because I'm like, want be on TV TV.

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Then they pick you up an SUV take you to

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 3>the scene. I this is in a contrary to what

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>people say, Oh they get you drunk, they don't get

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 3>you drunk. I asked for drinks, like if I got

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 3>to be in here with these people talking about I

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know what we've about to talk about. I don't

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 3>know who about to pop up. I don't know what's

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 3>about to pop off. Let me at least be relaxed.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me hit my little pan right quick.

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Let me get it. Let me get like folk shots

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 3>and Hennessy so I can be relaxed. You know, they

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 3>never bent your arm to make you do so when

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 3>people say they make you drink, they give you the

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 3>option enjoy it. Yeah, we enjoy it. Yeah, you got

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 3>a light liquor option at the dark liquor option, whichever won,

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 3>because at end of the day, were all over twenty

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 3>one where adults were grown. If you don't want to drink,

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>you don't drink.

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Now do you ever put parameters on like who you

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>will and won't pay.

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 3>With once you get to be in the senior position

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 3>on the show? So I did it for three seasons.

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 3>So by the time my third season rolled around, I

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 3>could say that I'm gonna feel comfortable with X, Y

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 3>and Z and then they'll try to rework it and

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 3>rearrange it. But honestly, but don't they love those scenes

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 3>the most. They love them. But I can tell you

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 3>that it was difficult for Love and hip Hop because

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 3>my first two seasons we were produced by one production company.

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 3>My third season, which was the last season of Loving

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 3>hip Hop, we had a whole brand new production company.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 3>We shot for ten months. So these are brand new

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 3>people who don't know us, They don't know who got

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 3>beef for who, they don't know anybody's backstory, who they

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 3>might have been beefing with last year, but they're cool

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 3>with this year, or they were cool last year, they

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 3>not cool this year.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 2>A long time.

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 3>It was because it was a brand new cat. It

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 3>was a brand new production company. Oh my god. They

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 3>were trying to figure out different ways to shoot because

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 3>even the style and which way the way that we

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 3>shot was different. Like we went through three different green

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 3>screen looks that season. The lighting was off so we

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 3>had to redo it again, or this had they were

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 3>adding cast members in and things were just coming up

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 3>on the blogs and we had to like go back

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 3>and redo things. And when I said redo things like

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 3>we back then would shoot a scene and something would

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 3>go down, and we would go online texting and tweeting them,

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this just happened. They tried it, and

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah, blah blah blah, and that was that night.

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Would go on and on back and forth online and

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 3>then they'll be like, hey, we need to capture that.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 3>We need to do another scene, and you recap what

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 3>happened that night after you finished it filming, talk to

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 3>them about what happened and what y'all were talking about.

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 3>So you gotta go back in that moment again. I

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 3>don't miss it.

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 2>You don't know.

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 3>That wasn't the best chapter of my life. I didn't

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 3>like necessarily my edit, and it's nothing that I can

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 3>say that I did wrong, And they didn't make me

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 3>look a certain way. I just didn't like the lack

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 3>of what they showed. They only showed me. They wanted

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 3>to make me the confrontational gay character that argue with

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 3>all the other gay characters and only got in women's business. Well,

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 3>our show is eighty percent women. I'm the gay guy.

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm friends with the women. So if they're talking to

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 3>me about it on an off camera. I'm gonna talk

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 3>about it. It just was. It was stressful. I got anxiety.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 3>I have alopecia. My hair fell out while we were filming,

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 3>so one part of the season I looked like mister Egghead.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 3>I had no eyebrows, no bear, no hair. I'm like,

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 3>of all the shows, I'm on, Lord, why would my

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 3>hair fall out while were filming this? And you know

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people don't love to hip hop have

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>different demons within them. And dealing with people's energies and

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 3>their demons, and dealing with your own demons, it gets

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 3>to be a lot because you know, we can't at

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.879
<v Speaker 3>the time, we can't say what's real, what's not. It's exaggerated,

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 3>what we talked about, what we really don't care about.

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, we have to stay in character and promote

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 3>the show cause we need the ratings so we can

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.240
<v Speaker 3>get paid, so we can come back and do another season.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 3>And you just get in that cycle of just being

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.399
<v Speaker 3>in character, and it bleeds over to your real life.

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 3>I've lost relationships, I've lost some friends. I got into

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 3>it with some relatives over things, just from the frustration

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 3>anxiety of coming from out of that space ten months

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 3>is a long time.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now that was ten months for one s one

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>particular sea.

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 3>That was one particular season. But most of the time

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.760
<v Speaker 3>we filmed six to seven months.

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Geez. And then we're during when you're off season, what

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 2>are you doing?

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 3>You really only off from Thanksgiving to the top of

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>the year because at that point you're waiting for your

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 3>renewal notice. So you wrapped, You've done the reunion, all

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 3>that's airing. It's like when we wrap, we're st we

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 3>pretty much when the show premieres, we're still filming, and

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:53.439
<v Speaker 3>then the reunion raps about. It was always in the fall,

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 3>so from Thanksgiving, I remember always going home to Virginia

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 3>f cause I needed to just air my spirit out.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 3>I will be home from Thanksgiving to Christmas or maybe

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 3>New Year's. Around Christmas time, they'll start calling you like, hey,

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 3>what's going on? Who are you talking to? Have you

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 3>seen this online? January we would get our pick up notices.

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 3>That's when you gotta go through your contract and negotiate

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 3>your pay and we be filming by March, so you

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 3>were it was a quick turnaround.

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Now are they paying enough to like where you don't

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>need any other side hustles or anything.

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Everybody's salary varies on Love and Hip Hop. Some people

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 3>come in and making bare minimum. Some people come in

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 3>making because of who they are and their name, They're

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 3>making super high. Someone like a Ray J and a

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 3>Kay Michelle, They're doing great. I was a new cast member.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 3>I came on with Keisha Cole and Brooke Valentine. I

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 3>always say season four was the best season outside of

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 3>the first season. But I came on I was already

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 3>doing WE TV, and I already had a name, and

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.399
<v Speaker 3>I was already had a following from Love and Hip Hop.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 3>So Rape, my episodic Rape, was way different from what

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 3>I heard some other people who came on with me,

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 3>they were new as well, And then it depends on

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 3>who your lawyer is. You got to negotiate.

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know so, but you didn't have any of

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>the side gigs outside of.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 3>Love and Hip Hop. I overlapped. I did WE TV

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 3>for the first two seasons as well with Love and

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Hip Hops. It benefited them, and it benefited the shows

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 3>getting I mean, who else was getting promoted on two

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 3>networks like that.

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's a smart move for week Yeah, it was great.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 3>It was awesome. My last season, I just did strictly

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Love and Hip Hop because I mean it was very

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>time consumer.

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Because you are between two different cities right for WEE TV,

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and I was.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Still doing my stuff out of New York and then

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 3>filming out here, and then I actually did a digital

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.439
<v Speaker 3>talk show for we TV while we were filming Love

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 3>and Hip Hop. So I was filming in Santa Monica

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 3>then going wherever they had us filming for the show.

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 3>It was a lot. And then COVID came and I

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 3>finally got to sit my ass down.

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's when you started writing.

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Right started writing, I had, I think it was doing

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 3>the show and dealing with the different adversities that I

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 3>had to deal with on the show. Because as you

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 3>can see, I'm a very friendly person. I'm my energy

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 3>is amazing, but on the show, I had to be

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 3>confrontational to secure my spot. I had to speak on

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 3>things that I really didn't care about. I had to,

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, be in competition with people that I normally

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 3>would never even deal with or be around. You know.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 3>So once I only got to sit down and just

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 3>relax and just get my life together and figure out

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 3>what I was gonna do next. COVID was in full swing.

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, I'm gonna get my master's. I

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 3>have one, always wanted to go back get. I'm the

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 3>minimum degree in my family right now. Most people in

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 3>my family have two or three degrees. I was sitting

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 3>on that one and I was like, Okay, I can

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>go to school. Let me. It's all remote. Everything's remote

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 3>during COVID. I'm gonna get my master's in media management.

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 3>That's what I have been doing. And then I wrote

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 3>a book about my life. I mean, just me being

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 3>from Virginia moving to Hollywood, being the first black gay

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 3>reality start on beet for the first ever black reality series,

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 3>like that will always be my calling card. I love it.

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm proud of it. Now I understand it. Just back then,

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 3>I did not understand what it meant to be a

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 3>voice for a community that I didn't identify with yet.

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was that was gonna be my next question.

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>So back when it first happened, how did it hit?

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>It was so fast, Like did you go through any

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>type of depression or.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 3>No? Back then we had MySpace and black players, So

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 3>my inbox was full because back then it was just

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Corambo and I were the first two. It was just

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 3>us he was on MTV. I was on BET. We

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 3>was having fun. I had fun. So I lived. That's

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 3>another book, but no, I've lived and I had a

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 3>great time. I went to all the Black Prides. I

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 3>was able to go to high schools. I did the

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 3>BT wrap It Up campaign, from all the HIV STD awareness.

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 3>I got to meet so many people at such a

0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 3>young age. I did so many different things, from on camera,

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 3>behind the camera, working at BT, working with e TV,

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 3>like I've mastered my meeting.

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And then, what was your original major? I'm sorry, so

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>your original major was public relations? No matter what you

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>were going to end up in entertainment.

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 3>I felt it because I was on the radio when

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I was in my senior year of college. I was

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 3>on Power ninety two. It was the afternoon drive co host. Okay,

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 3>so I felt it. I always knew something was gonna happen.

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure everyone in your family also didn't weren't

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 2>surprised at all.

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they were, some of them, LA, I know,

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 3>how did you not know? I mean, come on, I

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:33.959
<v Speaker 3>could look at all pictures of me with my hand

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 3>on my hip, like, come.

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>On, no, I'm talking about you being in entertainment though.

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 3>I was a character. My family would definitely tell you

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 3>I was a colorful character, always did my own thing

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 3>and was always getting into something. You know, I've definitely

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:53.920
<v Speaker 3>matured since then, but Little Ray was something okay, okay.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And so now after the pandemic, you you write the book,

0:40:58.000 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>You write the book during the pandemic. How hard was

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 2>it to put it out? What was those steps? Looking?

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Like? I did it through Amazon. I had a publisher

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 3>help me, but we did it through Amazon, and it

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 3>ended up being number one for six consecutive weeks on

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 3>four different like Amazon book charts, E book and physical

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 3>book Like I had a number one best seller out

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 3>the gate and mind you, this is no love and

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.760
<v Speaker 3>hip hop. We're in COVID. Nothing's going on. My book

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 3>stayed on the Amazon bestseller list for almost a year

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 3>and a half.

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>And then what was the ch Like, how did you

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted monthly? Yeah, you get paid monthly, but I

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>want to know the whole experience of like you put

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you take a chance on yourself, you get this book.

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I didn't think anybody was gonna read it because I'm like,

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not one of those overly large reality stars like

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't even consider myself a reality star. I was

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 3>on two very popular reality shows, one in which I

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 3>was a main character and the other I was a

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 3>co character. But I was a part of two different

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 3>eras of two different types of shows that were monumental.

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 3>And I always say, if I go back on television,

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 3>it has to be bigger than what the last thing

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I did was. And I was like, you know, I'm

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 3>not out here wild on the blogs doing all that craziness.

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 3>They're not gonna want to read my story. And they did.

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 3>They read my story. I talked about everything. I talked

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 3>about my party boy days. I talked about the days

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 3>where you are in LA and you don't know what

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 3>the next gig is and you don't know how your

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 3>rent's going to get paid until you get something stable,

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 3>and then you know. You see your friends around you.

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Some of them are elevating and some of them are declining.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 2>That's that's I think one of the trickiest.

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Waters to battle.

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I think it's seeming like some people go and maybe

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>they're not even friends, because I think friends are more

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.399
<v Speaker 1>happy for Yeah, when you see someone and you don't

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 1>really know their story or the intricacies of it, and

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you're like, Wow, this person's past me and I'm still

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>trucking along. What like they just woke up, you know.

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a hard battle, especially if you've

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 1>been it for a long time.

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and my family is really a huge part of

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 3>my life. You follow me on any of my socials,

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm always talking about my family, Dad, my mother, nieces, nephew, sisters, cousins, grandparents.

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 3>And I never allowed myself to wild out to get popular.

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 3>I never wanted to do anything where my family would

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 3>be embarrassed. I never did anything where I would hate

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 3>for my nieces or nephews a google on their path

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 3>and be like, oh, this is my uncle looking at

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 3>you know. I'm always self conscious of the projects I

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 3>do and the things I participate with because I know

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 3>I got other people looking at me. That's important to me.

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't worry about what the stranger says. My family

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 3>is watching me. I want them to be able to

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 3>promote me and them to be proud of me, you know.

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 3>So that I feel like that kept me from doing

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot of things a lot of other people were

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 3>doing to go viral and be popular and be out there.

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 3>But I don't see them now.

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>So it's going back to the book.

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:45.800
<v Speaker 3>You produce the book.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Look at us, we're trying to pick at it.

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Where's the tackle shells? Keep the back.

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>So you produce the book, it becomes a bestseller. Are

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 1>you shocked at like how much money you're making taking

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>a chance on yourself.

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 3>That book really surprised me. No, it was just crazy

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 3>because the hot sauce too. But the most amazing thing

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 3>was that I was I learned a lesson. I was

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 3>always I was doubting myself at that time. I'm not

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 3>doing the same things these other people are doing to

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 3>be out there. Though I'm on that platform, I'm on

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 3>these platforms, I'm verified on everything, but you know, I'm

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 3>still at this. I felt like a stagnant level. And

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 3>my Instagram had gotten hacked, so I had no Instagram.

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Uh there was. I was at zero. I had to

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 3>start all over while the book, the book had just

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 3>came out, the book still so I got made a

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 3>new page, built it back up to what it is now.

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 3>That book sold, People supported it, They bought it, took

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 3>pictures of it, sent it to me. People will call

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 3>me and not minister to me, but talk to me

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 3>about things that they were going through, they related to

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 3>my book and like I said, for it to be

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 3>for me to be who I am. And there were

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 3>some other reality stars, but books out way bigger shows,

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 3>way bigger names than me. Mine outlive them all and

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 3>outsold them as well. And that just goes to show

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 3>the type of people that follow me and support me

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 3>and who I am and where I stand in this business.

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>And then now receiving the checks, let's talk the money part.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Now. Books are interesting because when you do a book

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 3>through a publishing company, you got to give them their

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 3>money back that they put into marketing as well.

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so they marketed a book, so you you

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>you got to.

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Pay them their back, their part back, and then after

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 3>you once you give them, once they get their cut back,

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 3>everything else is yours.

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, do you ever go back and thinks in your.

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Head like, damn, I wish I would have just done

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 2>it self published or do you feel.

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Like, I mean, you really could do self published book

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 3>on Amazon? But you really can. I see so many

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 3>and they do well. But it was just it was

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 3>a learned it was something. It was my therapy. I

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 3>needed it.

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 1>No, I get that, and I'm not trying to hold

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 1>them under the bus. But I am genuinely curious, like,

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.959
<v Speaker 1>do you think that having it published for them made

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a difference?

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, because I did all the promotions.

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>That's why I want to know.

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 3>So looking back at it, I could have done it myself.

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:20.439
<v Speaker 3>But I will say, even though the Amazon website takes

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 3>you through it, how to upload it, how you can

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 3>change your titles, I mean your cover title, how you

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 3>can go in and edit, you know, do the edits.

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 3>It's still a learning process. I say. If you are

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 3>going to do a self edit, take time to learn

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 3>that site about self publishing, so you know how to

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 3>get the barcode correct, how you know how you because

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 3>you can really set your book up from your iPhone

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 3>if you wanted to just upload the manuscript. That's the

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 3>main thing, is the manuscript. Make sure a spell right.

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 3>But they have a proof checker who go through it

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.800
<v Speaker 3>and you, yeah, just pay for the service.

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>You heard it here first, guys, there's award winning publisher

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>top number one.

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>You said six.

0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 3>It was a best seller for six weeks on four

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 3>different in charge. It was for college or university student life,

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 3>a l LGBTQ and for black biographies. Like I could

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:07.839
<v Speaker 3>not believe it.

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 3>But we were in COVID. We were all at home,

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 3>like we had nothing to dow anyway. Well it's still

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 3>it's still a huge fee. It's yeah, those good money.

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And trust me, during COVID, people everyone made their own decisions.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I always go like, damn, did I make the right

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.720
<v Speaker 2>decisions during COVID. We did produce eating while broke during COVID.

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 3>I was in Atlanta during COVID. We was outside. You know,

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 3>Atlanta did our clothes, they just put them all they

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.239
<v Speaker 3>told us they put the thermometer to your head and

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 3>just made sure you wasn't hot. And that was it.

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Eighty five South we did. We taped down there LA

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 2>five South Lake, Chico and DC and all those guys

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>down there were like we were on break for about

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 2>a week.

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>LA was shut down for two years.

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Man. I came back to LA and Hollywood looked like downtown. Yeah.

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, LA was shut down for so long that I

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>got married and had a baby.

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh I didn't think.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:55.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think, you know, I knew we were gonna

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 2>eventually go outside, but it started to become a real norm.

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 2>But to hear Atlanta had a whole differ experience.

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 3>We were outside, we would get you could get drinks

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 3>to go from the restaurants. We was at. Shout out

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 3>to sea. What was I don't think they're opening to

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Atlanta anymore. We were at sea. What's smoking? Hookah? Dad

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 3>said the clubs was open.

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 2>LA was none of that.

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 3>We were open. So when I flew back here, you

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:17.879
<v Speaker 3>back here, I was like, oh, hell no, I got

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 3>to go back to Atlanta.

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 1>When New York had all the horror stores, people in

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>New York was it was scared straight.

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't get them to open the door for nothing. Man, listen,

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>step back from the bag, drop it off, step back.

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 3>When I went home to visit my parents in Virginia

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:35.919
<v Speaker 3>for KRIB we drove up from Atlanta to go because

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 3>we were to go spend New Year's in DC. My

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 3>dad and my stepmom had masks. When they was like,

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 3>can't come in the house, but we when to come outside.

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 3>I talked to you the driveway, y'all stay in the

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 3>car like we really had Christmas through the window. Like

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 3>then they put their gins in the trunk and I

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.720
<v Speaker 3>gave them theirs. COVID was a crazy time.

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember getting a Thanksgiving we was in Detroit.

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 1>We got Thanksgiving dinners and the cars. We ate it

0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>for ourselves and where we were staying and thank you.

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 3>COVID looked like a different world being in Atlanta because

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 3>I was also that was also the election with Trump

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 3>and Biden and Kamala, so I was outside helping promote

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Kamala and Biden. Back then we were trying to it

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 3>was black Lives Matter. It was so many things going

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.439
<v Speaker 3>on during COVID and being in Atlanta and it being

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 3>open and everyone outside that way, but looking at the

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 3>news and seeing how LA was shut down and boarded

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 3>up up north everyone had like fifty masks on and

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.760
<v Speaker 3>not outside and the people that were actually passing away

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 3>from COVID, and then the whole uproar of the vaccine

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 3>and then the election results and then the insurrection on

0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 3>the It was so COVID was so dramatic. It was

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 3>it was that's a book right there.

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:46.720
<v Speaker 2>That's a book right there.

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And so now after COVID, you have this successful book,

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>what's your next play?

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 3>So after COVID, and.

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing your audio audio biography, realizing this is this.

0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Is picking u where the book left off so I

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 3>got into TV film production. I worked with Heillionaire Productions

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.640
<v Speaker 3>and we did a movie called Mama's Boy, which starred

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Lawrence Robinson. He's everybody's favorite IG crush person. He was

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 3>in it with the young lady name right now and

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 3>that's coming out later this year. And then we also

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.839
<v Speaker 3>did a film called The Influencer, which aired on All

0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Black earlier this year, and that was my first film

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I did. When I met her the day of came

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:27.719
<v Speaker 3>right on set. I was an extra. She and I

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 3>hit it off. She went to family, I went to

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Virginia State where both D nine and we just started

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 3>working together. And then I went to Houston with her

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.839
<v Speaker 3>and filmed the Christmas movie that I actually ended up

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.319
<v Speaker 3>having a roll in with the Braxton sisters. So that

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 3>was like a whole little three sixty moment and it's

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.240
<v Speaker 3>called Christmas Cover Up and that will be out later

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 3>this year at Christmas.

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So, wow, you been busy, busy, I don't see you.

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.360
<v Speaker 1>You're not going back to reality TV.

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 3>You know what I have. There's been a couple of

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 3>things that I have been approached about through my management.

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.399
<v Speaker 3>One of them was actually I was really considering it.

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:06.360
<v Speaker 3>It would have been the third season of that show. Unfortunately,

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 3>that show got put on pause and it ain't been

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 3>play ain't been pressed yet, so I'm assuming it's canceled.

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 3>And then a show that I actually helped create had

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 3>went through the whole pitch process and unfortunately, when the

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 3>strike happened, all the network shut down and that project

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.440
<v Speaker 3>pretty much got shelved. But it was about to be greenld.

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 3>I was super excited, Well it might come back. I

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 3>don't know the timing for me now it fits for me,

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:36.279
<v Speaker 3>but I would love to work with those gentlemen again

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 3>and put some money else in my spot because there

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 3>was definitely something there. It was gonna be amazing. And

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 3>as of recent something has come up that I'm interested in,

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 3>but my focus is in TV right now. I have

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 3>the name, they know who I am. I really am

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 3>just advocating for HBCUs, especially now with this current administration

0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 3>and all these DEI things. They're wiping you away and

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 3>trying to do away with I say, black education. It's

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.800
<v Speaker 3>very important for me to share my platform and inform

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 3>people of types of financial aid so the children can

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.360
<v Speaker 3>go to HBC's Because hbcs were creative, creative for a

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 3>specific reason things that are going on now is why

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 3>we have HBCUs and they are important, they are relevant.

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 3>I had the best transformative four years of my life

0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:23.280
<v Speaker 3>in Virginia State, and I would love for kids, especially

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 3>from southern California, to get to go down south and

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 3>find out other things. You can put us out of taco.

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, exactly, exactly exactly, Okay, all right, so right now,

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 2>your passions is definitely community service.

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Being a brother of Alpha Phi Alpha for.

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 1>T and that's how that's how I ended up meeting

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you at the Do you remember we met Christmas Prey

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:46.240
<v Speaker 1>prey but it was a park.

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 3>It was a bunch of us. It was Ray J

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 3>torriy Omar Gooding.

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Omar was on the show did Man.

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 3>When I first met Omar, I was like, that's the

0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 3>guy from Baby Boy. It's so cool with meeting people

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:04.239
<v Speaker 3>in person that you grew up watching and now we're

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 3>in the same business, same industry, got the same management,

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, oh, what's up. You were trying my

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 3>soy sauce tacos.

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Them things are slamming. So no, it's nice to hear

0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that you are in your community service era. And that's

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>actually where I met you.

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was doing you were doing community.

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:23.799
<v Speaker 3>I love it. It's fulfilling. I've had an awesome forty years.

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I've twenty eighteen specifically working in entertainment, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>feel like part of my legacy and what I want

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<v Speaker 3>to start building is that, you know, I met these people,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had these opportunities, but somebody gave it to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I can be a blessing to someone else,

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'll get something later in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's where I am with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that you heard it here first everybody, And

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<v Speaker 1>please don't judge us for our taco eating break because.

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<v Speaker 3>We fin go get some more them. Tacos was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna be eating tacos for dinner tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, don't forget when you make your tacos at home

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<v Speaker 1>to add soy sauce to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely think it does make the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout outs to.

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<v Speaker 2>Miss the Red for the secret ingredient and not being

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<v Speaker 2>stingy and sharing.

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<v Speaker 3>It with us. Right, Guccie, I gave her some good

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<v Speaker 3>tea good tie.

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<v Speaker 1>And where can everybody keep up with you besides on

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream Because you have a lot of stuff coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so Instagram is the best place to catch me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's m I S S T E r r A

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<v Speaker 3>Y eight oh four. I'm forever eight oh four boy,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm a Dina boy at HART. I definitely want

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<v Speaker 3>to give a special shout out to everybody in Altadena

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<v Speaker 3>Pasadena and everyone who has contributed to their relief efforts

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<v Speaker 3>out there. Our community is still building day by day.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people are just coming home seeing their place for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time and just trying to figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>to get it together. As it rains.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, as it rains, I know, finally, yeah, exactly. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for taking time out of your day.

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<v Speaker 2>To feed me.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay, that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're more than welcome to feed me anytime.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if I have a holiday, you're more than

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<v Speaker 1>welcome because she.

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<v Speaker 3>Do crab legs for her holidays, you know, black folks

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<v Speaker 3>from the DMV, we love a crab leg.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I gotta do it that way, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Peace out, y'all. For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio

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