WEBVTT - #599 Packers Unscripted: Catching the eye 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:11.360 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.400 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by the 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.080 one and only West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:21.439 from our studios at lambeau Field and West. The pads 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.760 have gone on here in training camp. We have been 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.880 witnessed to one padded practice, the uppers, the shoulder pads. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.760 We are will be watching our second padded practice when 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.760 we skt out a lot of the studio here later 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.000 this morning. I just wanted to get your impressions on 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.400 the first workout in pads. What stood out to you? Well, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.479 the thing I always look for and you and I 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.640 kind of have a little thing going. It's the most 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.479 exciting period of any training camp practice from the beginning 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.120 to the end, when you have the one on ones 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.040 offensive line, defensive line, and then you got the routes, 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.080 you know, the one on one's receivers, running backs, all 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.200 that against against the dbs. Yeah, it's the most Unfortunately 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.360 happens at the same exact time, so you can only 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.800 pick one. You were over at the receivers and everything. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:11.360 I stayed back with the lineman and it is every year. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.360 It's one of my most favorite things to watch because 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.119 it really is the monoemano part of this whole process. Now, 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.840 it's not everything. You can excel in the drill and 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.440 not be that great. You cannot do well in that 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.000 drill and still end up being really a successful NFL player. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.360 I think back to Kyler Faker. Everybody gave Kyler Faker 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.240 a lot of, you know, grief for how he didn't 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.560 one on one Kyler Factro is a legitimate NFL football players, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.640 the rubb of the green, so to speak. But what 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.840 I loved about this was you got a chance to 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.000 see Josh Myers for the first time taking reps against 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.360 Kenny Clark with their pads on. Both of those guys 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.800 two bulls in a china shop going up against each other. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.880 I wrote about it an Insider inbox. For Shan Gary, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.360 he's always looked like a man in that drill, but 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.000 I mean this year, you can see the speed to 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.600 power that he has in his rush, especially as bull rush. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.480 But he also can be guys around the edges, some 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.840 of these young guys too. I'll close on this. This 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:05.840 is the first time we really get a sense of 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.519 what the guys on like those third team offensive Lions 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.080 have to offer. Now that might seem really rudimentary, but 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.079 that's where a guy like Greg Van Rotting back in 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.839 two thousand twelve started to emerge. That's where you start 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.000 to notice that Don Barclays of the world, and ultimately 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.360 then it starts to translate to preseason games. So it 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.440 was a really fun first day of practice. That's funny 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.640 that No, that's funny that you that as soon as 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.040 you said Don Barkley, that was exactly the name I 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.200 was thinking of. When you talk about those guys there, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.079 you know, they're a little later in that one on 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.400 one drill. You know they're down there, you know, further 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.840 down on the depth chart, really early in their careers, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.640 those undrafted guys, and and yeah, that's when they start 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.399 to that's when they start to stand out. I made 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.400 a comment in our three Things video after Tuesday's practice 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.720 because I've been waiting for the pads to go on 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.400 as far as the wide receiver's dbs, because I wanted 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.480 to see this Juwan Winfrey, because he really was the 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.760 star of the young wide receivers in the spring. When 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.560 there's no pads, they're really the jams at the line 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.799 of scrimmage and all that kind of stuff. Well, now 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.760 we're getting to that stage, and Juan Rinfey had a 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.480 really solid day in his first one on ones with 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.400 with the pads on going up against um, going up 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.000 against Eric Stokes, the Packers first round draft pick. Now 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.040 that being said, with the one on ones and as 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.560 funds as fun as it is to watch, I will 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.800 say this though, I take I take all of it 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.320 with just that little bit of grain of salt, because 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.200 I think for the one on one in the pass 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.880 rush pass pro I think the defense is at a 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.840 distinct advantage because there's no other traffic right the I 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.400 mean the the defender can go whichever way he wants to. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.000 He's not going to trip over anybody else, right and right. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.080 The offensive lineman has to has that much more territory 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.760 to guard the flip side. I think is true in 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.320 the wide receiver DBS because there's no other route being run. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.840 There's no other traffic, so the wide receiver can go 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.680 wherever he wants to go, and the d defensive back 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.680 has that much more territory. He can't make a read 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.240 off of anything else to get leverage anywhere. Every players 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.440 cover zero, right, But that. But that's but because of 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.720 those disadvantages with those guys, sometimes it's where you start 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.760 to find out a little bit about guys and and 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.880 just how um, just how talented they might be. So 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.719 in that respect, it's, uh, it's really fun to watch. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.520 My thing I always think is the cheat code and 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.400 that receiver d dedrill to is whenever they run the slant, 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.000 It's like, what are you expecting him to do here? 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.200 Is he really gonna be able to jump the slant 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:32.760 when he's worried about the guy going on and go 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.000 route with no safety help beyond I yeah, but it's 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.880 but so you can't you can't take all of it 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.080 at face value. But it's a heck of a drill, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.960 and it's and it's how guys, both in terms of 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.840 the lineman and in terms of the receivers and dbs, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.159 how they can really start to lock down and refine 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.360 some of their skills and and and work on certain 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.360 techniques even if they don't work quite exactly right in 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.559 that moment, they're still practicing and working on that stuff 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.520 for when it's really gonna matter. And getting back to 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.320 the lineman drills, you very rarely unless you know Jerry 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.120 Montgomery wants a defensive lineman to work on one specific thing. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.160 They're always alternating. They'll run the Packers. They've made this 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.200 adjustment a few years ago where they'll just run the 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.400 rep twice. Back in the day, you'd run it once, reset, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.320 next group goes in. Now it's they run it twice, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.600 give them two different opportunities. Not only does that allow 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.919 the offensive lineman and potential to make an adjustment, it 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.040 allows for that chess match with the defense of Russia 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.360 also making their own. Yeah, it's fun, it's fun to 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.640 watch for sure. Well, we heard from quarterback Aaron Rodgers 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.240 on Wednesday. On Wednesday, the Packers had just to walk 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.320 through practice, not open to the public, not open to 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.880 the media. We did talk to a few players afterwards. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.599 In one of those was quarterback Aaron Rodgers. And interestingly, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.679 we've been kind of as a media core as a whole, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.720 we've been kind of trying to needle the defensive guys 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.000 when we talk to them about like, hey, so what's 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.960 different about Joe Barry's defense? You know, like, are you 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.240 guys doing some different stuff or you know, are you 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.919 being asked to do different things? And most of the 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.719 guys are you know, It's like they're really not revealing anything. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.800 They're keeping keeping it very close to the vest. So 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.760 yesterday I decided, what the heck I'm gonna ask Aaron 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.279 Rodgers what he thinks is different about this Joe Berry defense, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.000 and we actually got a really interesting answer. The long 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.159 and the short of it is that Rogers and then 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.320 Alan Lazard also um sort of confirmed a little bit 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.760 of what Rogers had said, which is that the biggest 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.279 thing that the Packers offense and training camp right now 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.760 is adjusting to with Joe Berry's defense is how they 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.560 are disguising their past coverage. They're having a little bit 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.160 of a difficult time figuring out exactly what type of 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:44.479 coverage Berries back end is in on any given snap, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.679 and that seems to be that seems to be maybe 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.679 one of the calling cards here is is that element 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.200 I don't want to say surprise, but it's the element 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.039 of disguise. Yeah, and that that was one of the 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.279 more I mean, the whole press conference, all twenty minutes 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.120 of it, were really illuminating. He touched so many different topics, 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.760 whether it was you know, him reaching out to Jordan's 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.560 love in the off season, let know everything okay is 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.159 okay with it. Whether it was him actually reaching out 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.640 to you know, actually having Randall Cobb in his house, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.360 uh and kind of sheltering him here was he finds 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.160 his his new home in green Bay home he's going 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.480 to have to overpay for the way that yeah, the 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.560 market way. But that's a topic for another day. But 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.480 what I really liked is I can't speak. What I 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.280 really liked about the answer on Barry's defense was it 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.520 got me thinking a little bit. He'd mentioned all the 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.120 strength when you thought back to Dom, the fire zone 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.720 concepts and nine and ten and and the things that 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.720 they did that made them successful, and it kind of 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.720 gave you a little bit of an impression on what 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.400 Barry is going to bring to Green Bay and why 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.080 right out of the gates that this could be a 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.280 guy that could really be a difference maker for Green Bay. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.880 And you think about the heavy fronts that they had 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.840 in Los Angeles, you think about being able to disguise 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.320 some of the coverage as well. The more pressure you 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.600 present and the more you mix up what you're doing 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.680 on the back end, the more it's going to cause 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:02.840 the quarterback and also the offensive coordinate or a lot 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.560 of grief trying to figure out, Okay, how do we 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.600 play on the play clock here, and how do we 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.320 also stay in front of what they're trying to do. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.200 You can see a lot of adjustability with what Barry 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.520 is doing. And to hear Aaron Rodgers say that again, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.800 that's that's why I caught my That's why I caught 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.600 my ear because the defensive players just hadn't really been 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.400 saying much. But but Rogers was very upfront and saying 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.400 this is different. He's he's been doing this for sixteen 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.120 years now. This is a different type of defense that 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.720 he's facing and training here. Yeah, and and that's that's 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.600 what you want because this is where we ultimately see 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.280 the reps. Right. We always talk about he get into 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.720 preseason games. One of the reasons why Rogers and historically 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.040 has not been, you know, really keen on playing a 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.400 lot of the preseason is because everything does look the same. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.719 It We talked about the adjustments they make in one 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.360 on ones, well, legitimately they basically are just rushing the 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.120 same way, they're basically covering the same way. They just 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.719 want to see what guys can do athletically and kind 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.600 of make some judgments there and how they're holding their 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.000 own They're not trying to show some of their undiscus. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.120 It looks for the upcoming season, these are the practices, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.160 these twenty some practices the Packers will have where Rodgers 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.439 and the offense are gonna cut their teeth. And getting 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.200 back to your point about Lazard that I thought was 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.040 really interesting is that you know, he feels like the 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.640 ceiling is high for the offensive group and also seeing 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.079 what the defense is presenting. It's one of the reasons 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.680 why when you hear all these guys talking day after day, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.400 press conference after press conference, there's a lot of swagger 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:25.880 in that room right now that they have it in 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.520 all three phases to make a championship run. Yeah, And 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.200 Lazard made the comment as well with regard to adjustments, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.000 because there are so many things that are done on 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.280 the fly offensively that you're reading what the defense is doing, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.800 and then the receivers are choosing their router, adjusting their 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.880 route based on how they're reading the coverage. And he 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.800 was saying it's actually it's been a little tricky to 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.680 figure out exactly what whole where the holes are to 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.320 get to in the coverages, where to where to sit 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.200 down a route or where to break off a route 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.280 here or there. So I thought that was interesting too, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.520 and there's gonna be an evolution of the to this 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:01.400 as UM training camp continues. But but also earlier this 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.320 week we heard from you know, a lot of fans asking, okay, 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.120 what what is what's up with David baktr When is 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.160 when is the Packers five time All Pro left tackle 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.040 going to get back in action? And you talked about, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.360 you know, an illuminating twenty minutes at the podium. Batr 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.720 is very very very entertaining, but made it very made 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.240 it very clear. I thought the most interesting thing that 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.000 he said not that he gave any kind of a timetable. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.160 He's not making any promises he's going to be back 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.360 for week one or week two or whatever the case 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.000 might be. But he said it was almost as though 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:43.679 he said, it's not about whether he necessarily feels, you know, 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.480 like all the way back to himself, like you know, 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.360 he's going to be back to his all pro formed 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.400 a hundred percent, or whether he's night for him, It's 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.679 going to be the question of when when the doctors 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.640 say when the doctors say that the surgery is where 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.880 there were Coovery from the surgery is where it needs 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.679 to be with your knee and with the graft, with 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.760 the A C L and all that, and you're not 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:11.319 at any greater risk of re injuring it. David Bactieri 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.120 doesn't necessarily care if he's only at only feels like 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.920 he's seventy of himself. If that knee is good to go, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.120 and the docs says it's good to go, I think 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.760 we're gonna see David Bactieri back out there. Yeah. It 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.960 was funny listen to him too, because he did as 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.760 probably as good a job as anybody is explaining what 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.880 happens after you have a graph in the in the Yeah, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.560 and every everything they're looking at, everything that they're paying 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.240 attention to. Yeah, if he was working in any other industry, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.280 in office job, a sportswriter, you know, down the block 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.880 like my parents at Georgia Pacific, he's back on the job. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.079 You know, he's just he's he's back to work. But 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.920 this isn't a normal job. It's not about how you feel. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.560 It's about also being cognizant of the fact that the 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.600 atrophy in the knee when you do a surgery like that. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.920 The body isn't used to that. The body isn't used 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.160 to oh, somebody else is going to come in and 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.760 fix something. It's just used to scarring stuff up and 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.160 fix sing it itself. So it's how a knee injury 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.040 like that weakens the quad receps, it's weakening the calf, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.640 it's weakening everything around there, and you have to build 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.200 that stuff back up. So for for box tr I 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:16.000 just think I love the I absolutely love the approach 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.679 he's taken to this because Brian Blaga had a good 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.040 disposition about it. But Brian was pretty aggressive, like he 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.640 wanted to be back out there and was making no 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.400 bones about it. I mean, they had him back at 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.400 the end of the preseason. But Brian also tore that 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.560 the beginning of November. David's happened on New Year's Day 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.439 or New Year's Eve. That's almost two months separation. So 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.400 Dave also understands. Okay, you look at what Brian Blaga 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.200 had to do to be ready for week one, and 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.040 he was, you know, six eight weeks earlier than when 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.320 Dave towards a c L. I think he trusts the doctors. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.640 I know he trust his rehab. He mentioned He's like, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.800 the best thing is I've had no setbacks. Everything has 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.800 been all systems go. And then I also would say 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.600 you have to think, if you're the Packers and you 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.800 have to think of your box tr You look at 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.880 Elton Jenkins standing in there at left tackle in his 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.920 best position might be left guard. Heck, it might be 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.600 center for all we know, but I mean that's not 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.000 his natural spot, but dog on it. I mean, he 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.320 really held his own there last year, and he's taking 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.679 every rep there this training camp. The Packers have time. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.680 It's not like you and I are having to stand 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.480 in at left tackle and Aaron Rodgers is, you know, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.640 kind of like chattering his teeth, worrying about who's going 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.720 to be coming from his blindside. They have a good 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.760 insurance policy. There, get your five time probably future Hall 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.320 of Fame All Pro left tackle back, and and go 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.880 from there. Yeah. I think the biggest indication we're going 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.960 to find out is simply going to be the roster 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.320 decision at the end of training camp. Right Because for 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.000 those who don't quite understand this, David box Tr is 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.560 on the physically unable to perform list. It's called the 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.160 PUP list or pub list. Players who do not practice, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.560 they don't practice the first day of training camp, they 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.800 generally they go on that list and they come off 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.640 that list. Then as soon as they begin to practice. Well, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.360 we're not expecting to see David baktier during training camp, 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:11.960 but then the Packers will have to make a roster 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.680 decision at the end of training camp. Does David Baktieri 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.760 go on the fifty three man roster or does he 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.880 stay on PUP and go on to regular season PUP. Now, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.040 the reason that will be a big decision is because 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.280 somebody who starts the regular season on PUP after having 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.360 been on PUP all through training camp, has to miss 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.840 the first six weeks of the regular season. That's a rule. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.280 So if the Packers feel like Botry will be back 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.520 within the first six weeks, he'll be on the fifty 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.760 three for week one, even if he's not necessarily going 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.800 to play in week one, but he'll be on the 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.960 fifty three because they're not going to if he they 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.560 feel he's going to be ready, they're not going to 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.520 just shut him down for the first six weeks of 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.720 the regular season. That's the best way to read this, right, Absolutely, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.200 the one consideration you have to make though, is kind 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.840 of like if you're at the grocery store and you're 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:01.960 try d to stash that last bag of Dorito's on 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.520 the list of your wife doesn't find out it win 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.800 over two hund dollars. You have to be cognizant of 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.120 the fact that if he does go on to regular 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.760 season injured reserve, that means you're probably gonna have to 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.400 cut somebody extra, go down to fifty two at the 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.120 end of camp. You can't just put him on i R, okay, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.480 and then bring them back. No, there's still the difference 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.760 between training camp i R and regular season i R. So, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.760 and if they do that they put him on the 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.520 fifty three and then put him on i R, that 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.360 would only be a minimum of three weeks that he 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.760 would have to be out. So those are the different 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.240 roster Those are the different roster maschinations that that that 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.600 the Packers will figure out with box TR when the 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.440 time comes on Labor Day weekend. And I think really 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.880 the big decision is going to be that week after 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.280 the Buffalo game, because now you don't have that last 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.160 preseason game. They're not going to cut you know, in 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.120 that typical Saturday weekend at the end of August, so 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.280 there's a little bit more time for the training staff, 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.560 the doctors and bok Tr himself to come together and 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.680 see where things are at. Um be that as it may. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.080 As I said, I think that the Packers have the 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.440 offensive line dep there too to be able to stem 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.520 the tide. But certainly at some point, you know, he's 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.280 he's a difference maker, he's the best in the game 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.520 at what he does, and the Packers you don't want 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.080 to have him back as soon as possible and as 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.200 soon as safely as possible. And you mentioned Elton Jenkins 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.880 is the guy who's who's holding down the fort there 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.440 at left tackle here throughout training camp. That's going to 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.760 be his spot until box Tr is back. We're seeing 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:29.400 a competition here at guard with Jenkins, who's was a 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.400 Pro Bowl left guard obviously last year, and you know 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.440 has has played in so many different spots, but right 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:40.200 now the coaches are rotating John Runyon, Ben Braden Lucas Patrick, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.440 three guys kind of for those two guard spots while 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.520 Jenkins is playing left tackle. And from what we've seen 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.200 so far, nobody's in a hurry to make a decision there. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.600 This looks like a competition that is going to continue 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.000 to play out as we go through training. Yeah, and 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.880 and there has been a very balanced competition, as you said. Now, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.920 the one caveat to all this is the fact that 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.280 Lucas Patrick really is the backup center to so as 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.640 you mentioned, they've been circling him out on some first 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.400 team rep so that he can take the second team 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.800 reps at center. And then in that case that's where 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.159 Ben Braiden has been over at right guard with with 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.200 John Runyan staying basically only at left guard, the competition 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.600 there for that left guard those spot is really interesting 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.359 because Runyan, I thought, really showed out last year, played 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.639 well in a pinch, but never actually started a game. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.840 He was always just kind of called upon to finish. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.639 He was a finisher, closer, if you will. But you know, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.720 I said this during the one on one drill. The 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.439 thing that I like about John the most is that 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.879 he has incredibly broad shoulders. He might not have his 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.560 dad's height in terms of it's funny me saying six 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.760 it's not as though he's small, but yes, his dad, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.080 his dad had a little bit more of that. By golly, 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.240 I mean, he has those broad shoulders and at the 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.359 guard position. There are a couple one on run reps 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.760 he was taking. I want to say it was against 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.000 Tyler Lancaster and Lancaster kind of had to move on it. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.480 But the way you know, with how much space that 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.040 that John takes up, he's able shift, move his feet 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.120 and he won those two reps. Brandon is just a 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.280 massive human being six ft six two. I think let's 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.560 sat three twenty nine pounds. Uh. This is a guy 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.399 that has bounced around a lot in the league. He 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.200 was with the Packers in two thousand nineteen on the 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.840 practice squad for a couple of months, got cut, ended 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.679 up going to New England, found his way back to 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.760 Green Bay, and the coaching staff seems to be really 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.480 high on him. We've never spoken to him. We've never 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.159 you know, there hasn't been an availability with him. We 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.240 haven't really seen him really play that much because he's 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.040 only been here during like the regular season portion of things. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.960 He hasn't really been there in camp. So uh interested 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.760 to learn more about him. And he was a guy 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.240 too during the offseason program when they were still feeling 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.320 things out with the tackle situation. Took some reps at 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.240 tackle too, so an interesting little guy to have involved 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.000 there as well. Well. After one week of practice and 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.320 thus far only one practice in pads, it is not 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.480 a time to make any grand pronouncements. But there are 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.159 two things I think that we have learned based on 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.560 what we've seen with the reps and also what we've 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.479