1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: We thrive on being amused, but we also like to 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: be director daddy. Oh thank you, my ised owed Cortato. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: The hell were they thinking? Why didn't think as that 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: is my tea? 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: I think this is getting an oscar. 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: I like the directing is basically leading a military campaign. 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Busted out CBS. They did comedy there. He's acting pretty 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: gay in that pose. Once the gays find out you 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: did theater, it is over. I am a bitch. Grab 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: your glock and shake your asses. What do we even do? 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: What are we even doing? 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm Kyle McLaughlin. I'm the host of What are We 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: Even Doing? Where we talk with people try to figure 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: out what are we even doing? Artists, musicians create as 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: all type and we discuss the thing that interests me most, 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: which is creative process. So we're going to talk today 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: with you are a multi hyphen it. I'm sorry that's 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: an overused word, but actor, comedian, producer, musical artist and 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: according to Paper magazine. I don't know if you remember 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: this your favorite celebrities, favorite celebrity, but I feel like 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: there should be another layer. You are everywhere Jordan during 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: first one was with ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, who yeah, 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: who I. 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Want to go back. I want to go back because 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm not Okay, it's like favorite celebrities, favorite celebrity. That's 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't really make sense because it's like everyone has 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: a different favorite celebrity, Like I'm not Timothy Shallam's favorite celebrity. 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Tell you that much. 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: We don't know. 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: Are you sure he hates me? 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: Now him? 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: You know? I mean like no, I think there's a 33 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: couple of people out there that like me, so it 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: would it would have to be their favorite celebrity. 35 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: It's just the creative because I've interviewed a few people 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: now a kind of in the same creative community. I 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: don't know how to say it, and you are everywhere, 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: and I think maybe what this is speaking to is 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: more that your creative energy, which is thick and multi hued, 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: I don't know how else to put it, is huge 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: in you're like you're a muse. 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is a conversation that Rachel Senna and 43 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: I have a lot, okay where it's like we both 44 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: and and not to sound too you know, up our 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: own ass or pretentious, but like we both really like 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: we thrive on being amused, but we also like to 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: be like director Daddy and have our muses. So it's 48 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: like do we want to be the muse or have 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: the muse? And like we're kind of constantly oscillating between 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: those things. 51 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: Which is impressive, I think and essential. And I'm trying 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: to think if I I sort of know what you mean, 53 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: but you you are both very successful thinking about myself 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: and who I've been a mused for you and we 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: think of David Lynch of course, but but I've always 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: been more comfortable in that role and not necessarily out 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: in front. You love being I love working with him 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: in that world because it was so singular. 59 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: Well, when you have someone like David, it's like you're 60 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: gonna like have God in front of you being like, 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: actually I want to do my own thing. 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 63 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: So it's like you you have you when you trust 64 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: a master like that who can actually like I and 65 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: he's a bit of a shaman too, so he can 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: kind of like do this weird voodoo spiritual surgery on 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: you and like make bring out things and emotions you 68 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: didn't know you had or you didn't know you were 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: capable of. 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Yes, no, that you described it beautifully. I think creates 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: the environment I think, where you can dig into places 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: that you just allow them. Really, you know, it's not 73 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: an intellectual journey as much as it is you're just 74 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: feeling your way through. 75 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was so easy. 76 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: On the sad and gentle, very focused and specific, but 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: made the environment experience really wonderful, which is why so 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: many actors speak so highly of him. Yeah, just the 79 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: greatest guy. Just very human, very engaging, very inclusive, and 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: it just was a beautiful place to be. I think 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: of you, I think as also bringing a tremendous amount 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: of joy to what you do. When you work, you're 83 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: always having it seems like you're always that's where you live, right, 84 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean. 85 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's fun has always been really important to me. 86 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: It was funny. I had like a really abusive, like 87 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: toxic relationship for like my first four years of my 88 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: twenty or from like twenty four to twenty eight that 89 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: like really made me believe that like fun was the 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: most evil thing that a person can possess. And he 91 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: really resented my like natural ability to have and curate fun, 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: and so I thought maybe that was bad for a while, 93 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: and then it's taken you know, the last couple of 94 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: years to realize like that is my tea, Like that 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: is what makes me special. And then like I just 96 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: wrapped my first feature, directing Yes Yes, Gratulations two weeks ago, 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: and I was looking around that set and I'm like, 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: this is to come from a place of fun and presence. 99 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Like fun mixed with presence creates. So it's so many 100 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: ideas that you would never have that rather than coming 101 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: from a place of like constraint and like work and 102 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: focus and like and there's parts of that too. Sure 103 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: when you're in that mode of having fun, just like 104 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: infinite infinite ideas come. 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: Infinite creativity and infinite energy. Yeah, which is the other 106 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: thing because you've got you get to the end of 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: the day and you're exhausted. At the same time you're like, wow, 108 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: that was really something fulfilling. 109 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a cliche to be like it's 110 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: therapy or like, oh, like I'm working through stuff, But 111 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, my work is me working through stuff, and 112 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: like that's always how it is gonna be for me. 113 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: When I'm writing, I often don't know what I'm writing about, 114 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: and then until after I'm like, whoa, that's like about 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: something very deep and hidden in me that maybe I 116 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: wasn't aware how to put it into words or to 117 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: put it into feelings. Then you have the script process 118 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: where're like, okay, like I know what I'm saying now what. 119 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying about life, and I know 120 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying about my experience, and like what all. 121 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: These characters yeah into that place. 122 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: And then you start shooting and all these other huge 123 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: feelings come out and they're way more elusive, and I'm 124 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: like I had, I had the opposite of abstract, Like 125 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: I work on this script for three years. Every line 126 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 1: means something, and then you start doing it and you're like, whoa, 127 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: now it's feeling. Yeah, and I'm feeling all these things 128 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: right now and I don't know what they mean, but 129 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm crying yes, and I don't know why. 130 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: Well that's the mark of a great script, then. 131 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: I would hope. So, I mean, this is this was 132 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: just my experience, like I had this. It was the 133 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: most emotional. I cried every day. I would go to 134 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: set crying, cathartic for you, sometimes crying because I'm like, oh, 135 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm banking the worst movie ever made. And then on 136 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: the way home and be like, I think this is 137 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: getting an oscar. Yeah, it was like the ups and 138 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: downs of making a film are like no one prepared, 139 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: no one can prepare you. It's like no, it's I 140 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: think people don't get it. It's like and they look 141 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: at film and TV and whatever are from the outside 142 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: and they're like basically like love it, hate it, Like 143 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: like they're just like yes, no, move on, and it's 144 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: like the actual process is insane. It's insane and it 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. 146 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just a click of a button. Yeah, yeah, 147 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: thanks for those three years. Yeah, Directing is is you're 148 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: basically leading a military campaign. I mean, it's crazy. And 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: you have to have access to language. Obviously a visual medium, 150 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: you've got to be able to tell the story visually. 151 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: You have to know sound. You don't have to know rhythm, 152 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: you have to know music. You have to be able 153 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: to work with people, you have to be able to 154 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: express I mean, there are so many things you got 155 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: to be good at, you know what I mean. Or 156 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: have people that are with you that are able to 157 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: help you, you know, and surround yourself with people that 158 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: can sort of all your lieutenants, you know. But I 159 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: feel like because of your vast interests. I feel like 160 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: you and you have a lot to say. This is 161 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: going to be an interesting journey. I'm excited to see 162 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: what you do with this as a director. Yeah, I 163 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: think you're going to be very good. 164 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: I think I did a good job. I'm like the 165 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: second I started pre production and this is like, you know, 166 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm thirty four, I've been trying to do this a 167 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: long time. I've had a lot of I've done a 168 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: lot of other different things. Yeah, directed some shorts in 169 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: my twenties, but this is my first, like you know, 170 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: had some money, not a lot of them, but but. 171 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: Just enough to get it. 172 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. The second we started pre production, I was like, 173 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: it was that feeling like maybe people get when they 174 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: start their first job or whatever. I was like, oh, 175 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Okay, Like 176 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: this is it and like love acting. Could do Rachel's 177 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: show for a million years. It's so fun Like I 178 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: like being funny too, so that's another thing. 179 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: But yeah, your timing is excellent. 180 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. 181 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't stand up. I don't even know if I. 182 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: Know I had I the when I funny story I 183 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: first moved to La I went to one like random 184 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: show because I guess I wanted to see like Mark 185 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Marin or something. I was like in move my early 186 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: twenties were like I was like I was into Awasca 187 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: but also Mark Marin and Duncan Trussel and like I 188 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: just podcasts. 189 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I was really, well, welcome, he is coming back. 190 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: I was listening to Joe Rogan. I'll say it the day. 191 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't as real guinea back then. You know, 192 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: he had some mystical people on, but I got. 193 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: I guessed, yeah, she runs yeah. 194 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I went to this one show and this 195 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: like crazy lady like I talked to after and she 196 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: was like, you should come to like come to my 197 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: next show and you and you can like perform a set. 198 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: I'll try performing a set. We get there, she's like, okay, 199 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: so I'm going to go. You just host the show. 200 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: And she's like, just do your thing like you're funny. 201 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, we've never talked. You don't know that I'm funny. 202 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: And then basically the next like month or two of 203 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: my life was spent trying to figure out how to 204 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: run this show she was. She never came back. She goes, 205 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: this is your show now and I had never done it. 206 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: Was it a gift? 207 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: Or was it was the worst moments of my life. 208 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: It was like I was like I was doing a 209 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: room full of like six to eight people in and 210 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: like a bar at four pm in the day and 211 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: like in October and a really hot and I was like, 212 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: what am I doing or talking about? I would like 213 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: I would just like sing dream Girls, like I don't 214 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: even know what. 215 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: I was doing whatever whatever content. 216 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then so I that was my one and 217 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: only experience dandom experience. I go, I don't think I'm 218 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: going to do that anymore. 219 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: You are up for anything kind of it feels like 220 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: the experience for you is what's most important. Yeah, and 221 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: you throw yourself into it without judgment. It feels like 222 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: and you just go, hey, I'm going in all the way. Yeah, 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: let's let's And you're like, you want to you want 224 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: to swim to the bottom, figure it out. 225 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a yeah, the muck. 226 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: I like the muck getting into that. 227 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Definitely. I'm trying to get to like the bottom of 228 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: me all the time. And like I've done I mean, 229 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: this year, my whole twenties also spent like years of 230 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: iowask and like doing all of that, really going far 231 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: down that road, getting stuck in a few minor cults 232 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: that weren't real cults, but they could be cults, you know, 233 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: that kind of vibe exploring. Yeah, but still always had 234 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: this side of me that was like insanely ambitious, and 235 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I will like right for TV by 236 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: twenty four and I did that, and like so I 237 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: don't know, I would have these double lives, but then 238 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: I would leave for three months and go like like 239 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: fuck a thousand guys in Europe and then come back 240 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, continue Like I don't know. 241 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I think I've just I'm I've moved around a lot, 242 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: I've like been part of many subcultures. I've always gotten 243 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: along with everyone. Yeah, Like that's that's kind of like 244 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: the main constant in my life that I get along 245 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. So I can find myself 246 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: in weird situations or great situations, and I think that 247 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: kind of has an informed everything and maybe what's to come. 248 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, because I've You're very it seems to be 249 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: very open. Once you engage in a situation, you're like, well, 250 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: let's just explore this, yeah, and and open yourself up 251 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: to it. And I know, creatives and speaking as an actor, 252 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: it's like that's part of the process. I just feel 253 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: like in your case, it's like you you know, you're 254 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: jumping out of the plane and you're like you're going 255 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: to pull the record at the very last second. Yeah, 256 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: you know, just enough to say, you know what I mean, 257 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: because you want the full experience you East Coast right. 258 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 259 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: I think the summer camp experiences out there are very 260 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: power and you go back again and again and again, 261 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: and you really was it. You remember the camp's name 262 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: that you were. 263 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: I do do you want to say you know it 264 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: is a theater camp. I'll say it. Okay, I'll say 265 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: it myself. I was a theater kid. Nothing wrong with that, hey, 266 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: nothing something wrong with that? Well, it depends because now, honestly, 267 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: I think like theater kids can breed two types of people, 268 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: kids who grew up really fast by these like you 269 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: know you're a kid that's in the songheim you're growing 270 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: up some very adult universal truths and we understand those 271 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: lyrics like somehow it's sixteen, you're like every day a 272 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: little death. 273 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, very heavy, very very heavy. 274 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: But then they're the ones that go the the like 275 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm a cutthroat serial killer, sociopath theater kid. Yes, and 276 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: you still run into them because they go they go 277 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: up and they're all around us and we just don't 278 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: know too exactly. But yes, I went to a camp 279 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: called Stage Door Manor and New York of State, New York. 280 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was so fun. It's like you got 281 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: to be around a bunch of like kids that had 282 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: your exact same obsession. It was like all gay boys, 283 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: Like what was going on in those bunks? You don't 284 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: want to know? Figure it out. We had to figure 285 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: it out. We had it down on lock. 286 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: Perfect. 287 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: No. But it was great and like still some great 288 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: friendships and we were all very like our friend group 289 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: is very ambitious too, so it's like seeing where everyone 290 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: went it is cool. And you know, one of my 291 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: one of my best friends from camp is now like 292 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: like pretty high up at Vanity Fair and just interviewed 293 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: me for Vanity Fair and I'm like, that's such a 294 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: cool thing to like we did Secret Garden together when 295 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: we were like fourteen, so it's yeah, it's nice to 296 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: like see. 297 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: To share that experience. 298 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's very cool. 299 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think being in the theater camp 300 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: upstate New York. You're close to New York City. This 301 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: is where you go. So film and TV was not 302 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: when you started, wasn't the thing. You were a theater. 303 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: I was the kid that was like we were living 304 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: on Long Island. I was like, Mom, Dad, you don't 305 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: need to worry about this. You wouldn't even know how 306 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: to do it if you tried. I'm going to go 307 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: get an agent in the city. I'm fourteen years old. 308 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: I got I'm going to head in the city, get 309 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: an agent. You yell, sit back. You wouldn't even know. 310 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: So were they connected it all to the industry or no? 311 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: No, they were like journalists for a newspaper. 312 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah right so writers. 313 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: Writers writers, Yeah, different type of writing. And I made 314 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: it happen. Got myself a little bunk ass agent, like 315 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: like you would walk into the office and it's just 316 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: like file like you were like walk through paths of 317 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: these huge yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're too white for 318 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: lion king. We can't give you a lion king. 319 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: That's a classic New York I know that. I know that, 320 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: But there's a certain smell that comes with that I. 321 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Remember the smell vividly. Oh my god. Yeah. I was 322 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: like acting and acting, And then I got really close 323 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: to being in the revival of Brighton Beach Memoirs on Broadway. 324 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: I think I auditioned for that as well. Old the 325 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: hell were they thinking? Why didn't they cast? 326 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: And I'm on my like eighth audition and. 327 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: Like, backstage did you go to you had an agency? 328 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: I got sent in, I got sent Oh my god, Okay, 329 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: that's it. And the passing director, like Homecide, is like, 330 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: this is yours to lose and that I. 331 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: Did that's pre Why would they say that? 332 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: And then I get to like the final callback and 333 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: it's one of my best friends from summer camp is 334 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: right next to me. He got it, he got it. 335 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: How'd you feel like it felt? I was like, oh, well, 336 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: that's like my different life that I'm not going to 337 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: have anymore. But even then I was like, I don't know. 338 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: I've always been very good at getting over things fast. 339 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: I told I told a story recently, but like I 340 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: need to have like one intense moment like the last 341 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: show that I had sold. I spent four years in development. 342 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: They put me through Hellianna and and takes forever. But 343 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: even then, it was like I had had one before 344 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: that where I really like, I put my foot down. 345 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: I was like, this is not how it's supposed to be. 346 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: That didn't work. So this one I was like, your 347 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: notes are incredible. I was like, wait what I never 348 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: would have thought of that, right right right, look like 349 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: I did everything the way they wanted and it's and 350 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: then like it still didn't go. And I got the 351 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: call and I was like driving up my driveway and 352 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: there was like, uh, there's like a pole there, and 353 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: I like stop, I go, I's going to hit the pole. 354 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: I just drove the Yeah, felt amazing. It felt amazing. 355 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: Recommend if you can afford like a little bit of 356 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: bumper damage. Yeah, yeah, really felt amazing. But then but 357 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: then I was over it. Then I was like, Okay, 358 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: onto the next. So I don't get I I really like, 359 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: I I'm grateful for that in myself that I'm like 360 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: I pushed through things like I just barrel barrel through it, 361 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what are we what are we doing next? 362 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: Fam even doing Yeah, Well, there's a resiliency that I 363 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: think is that you have to have. Yeah, if you're 364 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: gonna if you're gonna play in this. You just have to, 365 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: you know you Yeah, and you cry and then you're 366 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: like Okay, what's next? 367 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and make it happen. And I want to 368 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: do a lot of things in my life and a 369 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of like different thing. Keith Herring is like my boy. 370 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I read his journals when I was 371 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: like eighteen, and he kind of changed my perspective on 372 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: everything because not even just career, like he managed to 373 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: like just do so much like it. I went to 374 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: an exhibition a couple of years ago that was like 375 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: eighty one to eighty four the year those years, and 376 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: it was like sixty thousand paintings, was like, but then 377 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: it was like diaries and how he's like has this 378 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: incredible lover that he's fucking every night and they're going 379 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: to parties every night and he's hanging He's had like 380 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: like his sex life was amazing, his friendships were amazing, 381 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: his social life was amazing, and he was making sixty 382 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: thousands and hanging out with children like he was like 383 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: had children following me around being like like we love you. 384 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: It was like who are you? Yeah? 385 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: What a world? 386 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? 387 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: What the world? That was an I made the discovery 388 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: with David Lynch because his with his recent passing, his 389 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: archives and people. They were assembling the archives and I 390 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: went to visit the house, you know, and see them, 391 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: and they were cataloging everything, and I was like, and nice, 392 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: I had no idea. I mean, I knew he'd loved 393 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: to pay it. He did a lot. He was always 394 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: engaged in something creative every day. But he was so prolific. 395 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: There was so much. There's so much to his archive, 396 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: and how did he have time to do all this? 397 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I do one thing and I'm so happy. 398 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I gotta that I napped, yeah, because I'm tired. Yeah. 399 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. You about the experience, yeah, you know, 400 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: and and and really getting into the as you said, 401 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: the muck or whatever it. 402 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: Is, even just like now now a couple of weeks 403 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: out of finishing the movie. I mean, the movie is 404 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot about drugs, and like you know, drugs and 405 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: muck go hand in hand. But it's like when you're 406 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: in it in the drugs and like just the how 407 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: the layers of even one night on drugs and how 408 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: many different emotions you can have on one night and 409 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: the highs and lows that can happen so deeply, and 410 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: then I would get I told myself I wasn't going 411 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: to party for like pre production production, and then like 412 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: I would have a night out after I ended up. 413 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: We had like a day where we had one more 414 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: day off, so I was like, okay, I'll go out 415 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: one night for one of the cast members birthdays. Had 416 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: so much fun, was, you know, doing my drugs, doing 417 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: my thing. Then I got home and like I felt 418 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: the feeling that made me write the movie, and I 419 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, why do I do this to myself? 420 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: Like why like this, Like I feel so horrible now, 421 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is my one opportunity to make 422 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: this movie and I fucked everything up, and it's like 423 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: you just get into these like spirals when you do 424 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot of drugs. I also needed to be in 425 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: that space for the next like week of production to 426 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: really to really get back there, because my characters in 427 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: that space for. 428 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: Most of the movie. 429 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: So I think, I don't know, it's like all everything 430 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: is important, even the times that feel just like oh, 431 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm like I feel horrible, Like this couldn't feel worse. 432 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: Your perspective is, yeah, is really important? And I think 433 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: you have a very strong point of view. Yeah, whether 434 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: it's coming from inside or something you're sort of relating 435 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: to on the outside or writing about. Yeah, you're because 436 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: you're the characters that you've done, even the brief ones 437 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: on TikTok, some of these other characters and the skits 438 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: that you do are really specific and they're funny and 439 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: they're they're revealing. They succeed on a couple of different levels, 440 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: I think, which is I think is the success of 441 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 2: anything with social So we try to do you try 442 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: to level levels. 443 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: That's what they don't understand a lot of the people 444 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: that are not good at it. And especially when you 445 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: get like a brand brief, Yeah, they're like and then 446 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: you say yeah, you're like like men love travel and 447 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: then the audience freaks out. But you've done a lot 448 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: of brand stuff, So how do you do that? How 449 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: do you rectify? You? Hell? Every time? It's every time, 450 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: basically hell every time, I like go into full existential 451 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: panic because I'm like, it's just like they're asking me 452 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: to rip away so much of of me. Like I 453 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: don't know to like not to sound super gay about 454 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: it all, but it's like like my art is me, 455 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: and it's like these you know this, I care about this, 456 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: And so when it's like taking stripping away so much 457 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: of me and then reducing it to like the one level, 458 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: It's it's existential for a lot of ways because I'm like, oh, one, 459 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: so that's how you see me, and like you're not 460 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: getting any of these other levels. So it makes me 461 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, how many people are out 462 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: there just seeing this like gay clown and when I'm 463 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: like trying to do so many other things and then 464 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: having to like try to perform it. And I also 465 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: am also like the other part of me is like 466 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: I am a bitch too, you know, So I'm like 467 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: like I can't talk to them without being a little 468 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: disrespect Yeah, And so I'm just like I just don't 469 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: think this is funny or like I don't get what 470 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: this would do. And I'm also coming at it from 471 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: someone who's done well online, so then I'm like, this 472 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: isn't gonna do well. I tell that to them something. 473 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I I'll do this. It's gonna get 474 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: thirteen likes and and no one will ever buy your 475 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: product from this. So if you want something to do 476 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: well numbers wise, it's they still might not buy your 477 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: product because the product might not be good, but but 478 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: I can at least get some more eyes on it 479 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: if you just let me do my thing. Yes, but 480 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: there's so many levels of corporate and blah blah blah. 481 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: Is it a compromising reach or do you just try 482 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 2: to try to strive. 483 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: For It's been tough the last couple of years now 484 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: that I do, I feel like my internet bag has 485 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: like it's been a while since I was really like 486 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: kinging out on the Internet. So now I'm like in 487 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: this in between space where I'm like, I'm on like 488 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: major TV shows now, So it's like I'm trying to 489 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: get more into the space where I could just be 490 00:25:52,359 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: like show up and Santori Whiskey Whiskey Forever. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 491 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: I want to be in my Bill Murray, but I'm 492 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: not quite there yet. So I'm in this weird, I'm 493 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: comfortable thing where they're like sending me influencer briefs, but 494 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm not an influencer anymore. 495 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: So you use that as just a step kind of 496 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: into this place, the space where you are now. 497 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and but I'm just having to wait for those 498 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: other jobs to come. But we but we love money. 499 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: We need we need we need money to live. We 500 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: have to have it and to do the things we want. 501 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: To do, and more importantly, to do the things you 502 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: to do. 503 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to you know, 504 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: be bezos over here. I'm trying to have a nice 505 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: little house. Yes, make my art, yes, enough for that 506 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: to keep Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, I relate. Yeah, I 507 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: feel like your your career has like it's been an 508 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: art based career. 509 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: It's lucky, you know, working with David And when I 510 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: first met I didn't I didn't understand. Honestly, I was like, 511 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: and I knew he was. I loved him as a person, 512 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: as a friend and creative and but a lot of 513 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: his art and work, I was like, I don't, I 514 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: don't understand, but no one really. But then you realize 515 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: it's not to bet is the experience, Like, oh, I 516 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: get it. 517 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: You know. 518 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: I always felt like Laura Duran understood that from the 519 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: get go because of just the kind of person that 520 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: she is. Yeah, and you did that wonderful thing that 521 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: was really fun. 522 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was maybe like the best moment of my life, 523 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: one of the best moments of my life because I 524 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: had been I mean, she was my number one forever 525 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: and I know she's every days number one now, but 526 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: I kind of you found her, did that for her. 527 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: It's like arian ground, you found you exactly, you found. 528 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: Making the Laura Duran song and watching her see it 529 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, yeah. 530 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: She was genuinely did she know what idea? 531 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I just may? I was like, please make sure she's there. Yeah, 532 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: And then like she's there and I was like, let's 533 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: see and she you couldn't You see the reaction live 534 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, this is the best if. 535 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 2: They were there on her was so important And it 536 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: starts and she's like what yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 537 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: yes it was he hit a beautiful to write it 538 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: because you wrote that yeah yeah yeah lyrics of course 539 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: and music music as well, and yeah yeah, but she 540 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: is super special. 541 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but has a similar esoteric brain as David. Like 542 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: she it's a bit fragmented and it's like it's just 543 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: their own thing. 544 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you summed it up beautifully and I think a 545 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: lot of that. I when you look at her parents 546 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: Diane Yea, Bruce Den Yeah, I mean eccentric, yes. And 547 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: then Laura's eccentric too, and she'll surprise you, you know, 548 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: because she's so spiritual everything is, and then she'll like 549 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: have a body laugh, you know, something else. So she's 550 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: got she can take the piss out of herself really easily. 551 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: And she was genuinely thrilled and went with it and 552 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: experienced what you did. Have you spoken after? 553 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I mean she was very, very 554 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: appreciative and like, you know, gave me a big hug, 555 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: and then I would hear through the grape vine like 556 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Laura loves you. And then Kaya Gerber had a book 557 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: reading and she asked me to write an original thing, 558 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: and I kind of threw something together that ended up 559 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: being like kind of really good. I should look at 560 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: that at some point, but I read it and she 561 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: like sent me the most beautiful note after she was like, 562 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how to message on Instagram, but I'm like, 563 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: I found your number and I need to tell you 564 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: all this stuff. And I was like, oh my god, 565 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: this is like the nicest thing I've ever read. And 566 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: then so I started this is this is funny and 567 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't think she would mind me telling this story, 568 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: but so I started doing the album and I made 569 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: this music album secret y Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, which is. 570 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: A very interesting idea. It's a crazy yeah. 571 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're a good singer. I could sing yeah. 572 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: I say that was like I so like the Theater. 573 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: I had hid for a long time because once once 574 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: the gays find out you did theater, it's over. What 575 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: do you mean, like they will take you down? Orville Peck, 576 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't think he's like a pretty big, like a 577 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: country like gays singer as Okay, he was about to 578 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: blow the fuck up these gays on the internet. Found 579 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: a video of him as Peter Pan. His whole career 580 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: was like over a day and that he's found his 581 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: way back. But he's scaling it and he's great. But 582 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: these gays will just do anything to take you down. 583 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: So I hit it for a while, but yeah, I 584 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: could sing whatever. I have this song that my mom 585 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: ended up doing and it's called Mother's Prayer and it's 586 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: about edging and gooning. Do you know what this meant? 587 00:30:59,680 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 588 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: You do? You do? 589 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 590 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I have teachers and so like it. It's like 591 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: a really beautiful it's actually like it's kind of the 592 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: vibe or she's so the vibe is like have you 593 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: listened to like a Frank Ocean's album ever, Like you 594 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: know his mom voicemail, Like he has these mom voicemail 595 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: interludes in. 596 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: The middle No I don't think and. 597 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: Blonde and like Scizza has it and hers all these 598 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of pop stars have like Grandma interludes of them 599 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: giving them these sage wise advices, like like like control 600 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: is about whatever, it's always very profound. So I did 601 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: my version of it, and it's this kind of like 602 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: like the music is very Beverly Glenn Copeland. It's like 603 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: beautiful music and it's my mom talking. She's like, hi, honey, 604 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: like just checking your okay. Your sister told me you 605 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: haven't been edging or gooning recently, so I just wanted 606 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: to make sure everything's okay. And then she goes in 607 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: this very deep rant about she goes like, you know 608 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: when you edge, you you stop and you think and 609 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: you start to remember, and like it's all this it's 610 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: a meditation on gooning and edging and it's crazy, and 611 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: then I love it. Just finishing I was finishing the 612 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: album and I was like, oh my god, do I 613 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: do I do I get the phone out. I go, hey, Laura, 614 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: would you want to do this song with me? Love? 615 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: And I sent her the song and I do I 616 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: have to read you the text message I got back 617 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: because it was it was the even I was like, 618 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: even if she doesn't do this, which she didn't, but 619 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: even if she doesn't do this, it's the best text 620 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: I've ever gotten. So I sent, I sent her the track. 621 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: I was like, it's my mom now, but I would 622 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: love to replace it fire my mom and put you in. Yeah, 623 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: and she goes, hi, So I'm so totally open to 624 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: doing it, but explain what is edging and what is 625 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: gooning and how is it dirty? And what's the I've 626 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: been energy of what you're doing. X x x x 627 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: love Laura cut to me sending her the most awkward voicemail. 628 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, so edging, it's like it has something to 629 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: do with masturbation. It's very innocent, like it's just and 630 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: then she's like, she's like, I love you so much. 631 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm just so busy right now. But I mean to 632 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: even get the text from Laura during what is edging 633 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: and what is doing and like my job here is done. 634 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: That's a keeper. 635 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would love for everyone to watch. 636 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: I love La Rachel, who I really really like. I mean, 637 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: and again we had we sat down and we just 638 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: and I said, I kind of know you from online, 639 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: but yeah, and you know, my admiration for her, which 640 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: was already strong, grew like what we say, ten ten 641 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: tenfold whatever it was. She's really extraordinary. 642 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: She's she's just a genius and like it really like 643 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: she is at the level of all these greats and 644 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: doing it in a different way and like people I 645 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: think are so easy to compare, and it's like she's 646 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: not Lena dunnom No, she's Rachel Senna and she's not 647 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: Michael Patrick King. Like she's she's doing her own thing 648 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: and it has a different pace and it has a 649 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: different like vibe of jokes that you're either going to 650 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: get or not, and it's it's fun. It's fun, and 651 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: it's like I don't know, there's there's depth, and there's 652 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: it's subversive and it's very in its own way. And 653 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: I think I think the response right now is like 654 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: people are really struggling with it because they're seeing themselves 655 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: in it, because they don't realize like this, you know, 656 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: whereas Lena was talking about this millennial generation of like 657 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: making everything into you know, this deep emotional like, oh, 658 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: they're opening a coffee shop, what does that mean for 659 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: our like spirit? Like and we're kind of just like 660 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: we'll do anything to stay afloat, you know what I mean. 661 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: So it's like we're not thinking, and like I think 662 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: people are calling this shallow because of that, but it's not. 663 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: It's just what it's a reflection of what culture is 664 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: right now. And it's like you need to have a 665 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: podcast and I and you need to keep getting guests. 666 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: And it's like we can't dip on guests. We can't 667 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: start getting worse guests. We need to get better guests. 668 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: And it's like so everyone is feeling this same thing 669 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: right now. It's like nothing is ever enough. We're like 670 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: we're on this hamster wheel of like not only trying 671 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: to chase relevance but also make our ends meet, and 672 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: like this is the way to do it. So I 673 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: think that is that is the culture right now. And 674 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: Rachel's just commenting on this culture and to me, that 675 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: is deep. 676 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: And season two we got season y. Season two, that's 677 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 2: the good news. That is a great congratulation, as you should. 678 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm so happy. They're like the five of us are. 679 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: Like I've said this before, but like Josh makes me 680 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: a better man. I'm like, I can't be like a 681 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: cunty little bitch your own. I'm like, I'll try to 682 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: saying I can't say that. I can't say that to Josh. Yeah. 683 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: Her, her, she's fearless in a similar way, I think, 684 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 2: you know what I mean and jumps into that character 685 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: Tulula and God, she's funny. Yeah, her timing is impeccable. 686 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she wrote me a great fucking character too. Yeah, 687 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: Like she wrote it better than I could have in 688 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: that in that sense, because she knows I like to 689 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: go so heady and deep and like sad. She like 690 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: kept it. She gave me those emotional moments later, like 691 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: towards later in the season. But she just like made 692 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: me iconic, you know. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I gets 693 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: to be an iconic little bit. 694 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: Just what she understands. Yeah, I really genuinely like, I'm 695 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: this is really a wonderful conversation. We're gonna go We're 696 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 2: gonna take a break now, We're gonna ta bathroom break 697 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: for God's sake. 698 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: For God, God, after all this coffee. 699 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 2: But when we come back, we're going to play a 700 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: little game which is going to be really fun. It's 701 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 2: called Slam and Monologues Secrets Edition. Oh yeah, oh yeah. 702 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 2: We're going deep because it's a tribute to your iconic 703 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 2: album Secrets, and so you and I will be performing 704 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: monologues using lyrics. 705 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: Wait to hear you're doing it. 706 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I'm all okay, okay, okay. And 707 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: and we're back and there's been a power out it No, 708 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. We were setting the scene for our 709 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: Slam and Monologues Secrets Edition. 710 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: We're in a nineties cafe. 711 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, smoky smoky, yeah, cinnamon crumble. Oh I like 712 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 2: that coffee cake, kind of coffee coffee, dry coffee cake. 713 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: We're going to be doing well. We're doing a tribute 714 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: to your iconic Secrets album. Okay, so we're gonna do 715 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: some poetry. We're performing monologues. We'll be performing monologues using 716 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 2: lyrics from some of your songs in the classic slam 717 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 2: poetry style. All right, we are wearing for those of 718 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: you we're not able to see. You have like a 719 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 2: fedora turtle neck turtle neck, I mean me. Yeah, it's 720 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: good and I've gotta I've got a scarf. 721 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: Scarf. Your shirt says, my shirt says poetry. Slam is 722 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: my therapy. Which tea? 723 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 2: I'm telling it like it is naturally. You have a 724 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: kind of beard. 725 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: Growth that's more of a natural. 726 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's just thank you for for making. 727 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: You have You have a spiritual soul patch. 728 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, just think first episode of Portland. I imagine 729 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 2: I have a little soul patch. That's okay, So here 730 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: we go. I'm gonna start all right. This is this 731 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 2: is from the song I'm quitting my job tomorrow. Yeah, 732 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 2: move to the city for you. I had no plan, 733 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: I had no friends, just a big idea of who 734 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 2: you might be to me. Got a job. We go 735 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: on dates like once a week. You say you're busy, 736 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: see you sitting switching, twitching, streaming. Oh, don't quit your 737 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 2: job tomorrow. If it's just about words, then of course 738 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 2: I'll say I'm sorry. It's just me. My mom and 739 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 2: dad got a divorce and it made me sad. 740 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, beautiful. 741 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 2: There you go. 742 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: This is I'm I lesbian. I think I know that 743 00:39:53,400 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: I'm grounded. I think I know I'm from Tennessee. I 744 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: think I know I don't like peppers. I think I 745 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: know that my heart broke at eighteen. I think I 746 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: know my mom was a teacher. I think I know 747 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: people use you for kicks. I think I know that 748 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: it's so hard to reach her. I think I know 749 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: that I'm used to her tricks. I've learned a lot 750 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: in my thirty three years. But the only one objective 751 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: truth is I'm I lesbian and I ate my best 752 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: friend out in a bathroom. 753 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a story. That's a story I love. 754 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: Well. So. So the premise is people submitted me their 755 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: secrets while they were drunk online. Many people were so 756 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: drunk there were typos. So someone wrote I'm I lesbian 757 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: and like, there you go. 758 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 2: And that's the song, the song, and somehow it's perfect. 759 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: It's perfect. 760 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, speaking of drunk, yeah, exactly from the song 761 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 2: passed out drunk making Mac and Cheese, woke up to 762 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 2: a fire man in my apartment. I've been laughing a lot. 763 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: Is it funny or not? I think we both know 764 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 2: that it's probably not. 765 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: It's not. 766 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 2: We're laughing, but it's not. Yeah, these are really quite amazing. 767 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, this is. 768 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: This is this is a lot to this. This was your. 769 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 2: Idea to have people write their secrets to you, and 770 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,240 Speaker 2: initially you posted them and then you decided, you know what, let's. 771 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: Make there's more to this music. 772 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 2: I agree, I feel like I should be holding it on. 773 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: So this is about you, know this, This song is 774 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: obviously about how all of us can really only come 775 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: with a loaded gun in her hand right now? And 776 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: this political culture culture. Okay, the man who raised you, 777 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: who loved you and spanked you, he can only come 778 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: with a loaded gun in his hand. Both the peasants 779 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: and kings, your landlord, Miranda sings, she can only come 780 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: with a loaded gun in her hand. Maybe niche for you, 781 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: but okay, this is my favorite. Oh our family line 782 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: is cursed. Please lady, hold my purse so I can 783 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: grab my gun and come show me you're tired, you're poor, 784 00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: your huddled masses, grab your glock and shake your asses? 785 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: Is that the vibe we want? Who are you? And 786 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: who are you? Can you only come with a loaded 787 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: gun in your hand? Well, if it's true, If it's true, 788 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: if it's true, if it's true, well you got problems, man. 789 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,959 Speaker 2: That's brilliant. Oh my god. Yeah, wow, Deep. 790 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: You know deep, you gotta go, there, you gotta go. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 791 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: because album, I think I think I'm secreted out for 792 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: a bit. That album took a lot of goddamn work. Yeah, 793 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 1: I think it was underrated. Yes, because, honestly, listen, I 794 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: made a very niche comedy album with seventeen tracks on it, 795 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: all different genres, like it's gonna take people some time 796 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: to get into the bottom. 797 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: Understand. Yeah, and understand. But you work with some really 798 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 2: amazing musicians. 799 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: The song, I mean, the production is amazing. I recommend 800 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: anyone starts to finish ish. Yeah, it's a it's a 801 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: great album. 802 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. I listened to some of some of the tracks 803 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 2: and I agree with you. It's a really well, pretty 804 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 2: good album. Yeah, and got a great voice. 805 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: Thanks, there you go. 806 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 2: That's really fun. Jordan's so we we've come to the 807 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 2: end of what are we even doing? I don't know 808 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 2: if we figured out what are we even doing? But 809 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 2: we had a good time. 810 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: Everything. 811 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 2: We had a good time. Everything we got, I think 812 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 2: we took we got a little, we took a few 813 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 2: bites out of it. What else, what's happening? What's next? 814 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: You've got more just your next thing, so know, yeah, 815 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: keep out for some news about the movie. We're still editing, 816 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know it'll be in the next 817 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: year's great. 818 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 2: What's it's called Club Club Kid? Okay? 819 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? 820 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 2: Good? 821 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: And then just yeah, I love the premise. It's a 822 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: cute one. 823 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 2: It is cute. It's I think there's there's a lot 824 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 2: of mileage there. 825 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, heart. 826 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that you are great when you're surprised, Yeah, 827 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 2: with a story like what Yeah. 828 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: I think people don't expect me to to like have 829 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: the heart and dropped in. I think it's like the 830 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: people who know me know I have it, but I 831 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: think I, for some reason give this other image sometimes. 832 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 2: Well now I know you, this is yeah, this is 833 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 2: actually I know you. I know who you are. Now 834 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 2: I know more of who you are. There's a lot 835 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 2: in there. Yeah, thank you, Thanks, it has been a 836 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 2: great one. 837 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for having me. 838 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. What Are We Even Doing is a production 839 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 2: of iHeartMedia and the Elvis Duran podcast network, hosted by 840 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 2: me Kyle McLachlin and created and produced by Full Picture 841 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 2: productionists Yay, featuring music by Yata and artwork by Danica Robinson. 842 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 2: For more information about the podcast, please visit our Instagram 843 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 2: and TikTok at wa w ed with Kyle. 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