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Speaker 3: Alright here we are Players Counch on a Thursday, five
Speaker 3: minutes late. I don't know how some people made in
Speaker 3: the league. I do know how they made it, made
Speaker 3: the league of giving up the heck Ma Harrison. These
Speaker 3: are all facts here since eight thirty eight thirty eight
Speaker 3: thirty legend Trey Moore is here, no rocket, Barry Church
Speaker 3: is here on his own time, no man. So the
Speaker 3: wild the wild thing is Church are not coming down
Speaker 3: the same roads?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. He drove out, He drove out the
Speaker 4: crib and was like, I know the.
Speaker 3: Roads you're traveling down. Bryan Shanheimer hired on Monday.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, let's get it now.
Speaker 3: That it's happened. I'll start with you Churchill, go round
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 4: Can we start?
Speaker 5: Because I heard I heard, I heard some people telling
Speaker 5: me something. What I mean, what about?
Speaker 4: I want know? Young mostots.
Speaker 6: Like big from what are you doing passed the reverse
Speaker 6: Hall of Famers.
Speaker 3: He did HBCU Hall of Famers was like, ask what
Speaker 3: he thinks?
Speaker 4: That's that's what? That what I heard.
Speaker 6: You will keep it a beat, you Hall of Famers,
Speaker 6: But you know I gonna say, day that's up man. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Like like all of y'all, it probably took you back.
Speaker 6: You probably had to figure out what the hell is
Speaker 6: going on? How did this come down to pipeline? How
Speaker 6: was a guy that nobody else interviewed now the front runner.
Speaker 4: For the Dallas Cowboy job?
Speaker 5: And after much anticipation for it to be be put
Speaker 5: out into the public at nine o'clock at night, it
Speaker 5: finally comes down to wire.
Speaker 4: Friday, Friday night, Friday night at the bar. You're sitting
Speaker 4: there the market.
Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, oh yeah, wow, you know, unceremoniously,
Speaker 5: ceremoniously we got a coach. And you know, look, man,
Speaker 5: I like many people don't know anything about Brian Schoenhammer
Speaker 5: as a coach, as a head coach. He hasn't been
Speaker 5: you know, twenty five years as an assistant and also
Speaker 5: someone that has been a.
Speaker 4: Liaison just go between.
Speaker 5: When it comes down to the teams that he has
Speaker 5: been on, I don't want to be one of these
Speaker 5: negative people that's gonna pile on Brian Schottenhammer because I
Speaker 5: don't have any time proof of consistency to go off of,
Speaker 5: and so it's easy to be negative in a situation
Speaker 5: where you don't have anything to go off of. All
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say is, damn if if if this is
Speaker 5: the guy that you after watching the press conference, if
Speaker 5: this is the guy that you're gonna go with, and.
Speaker 4: Now I mean that, is that a good damn or bad?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: I think after after I was watching it, you know,
Speaker 5: and it was it was one of those ones where
Speaker 5: you're you're sitting and I was waiting on the press
Speaker 5: conference like everybody, I want to see what Jerry has
Speaker 5: to say, well, Steven has to say, and and I
Speaker 5: think what I took away from what Jerry was saying
Speaker 5: is that I'm sitting in meetings and Shoty is given
Speaker 5: his you know advice to to Mike and h well,
Speaker 5: mark that down.
Speaker 4: That's a pretty good advice, you know.
Speaker 5: Oh look at him going against the saying something contrary
Speaker 5: to what Mike was saying. And I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 5: the next Dallas Cowboy head coach, if I'm shoty bet
Speaker 5: not nobody say a word in the meeting.
Speaker 4: Room with Jerry is a road by Ben, shut your mouth.
Speaker 5: If you got something to say, say it after the meeting,
Speaker 5: because don't you be doing a double interview with Jerry
Speaker 5: in the building. Like It's just it's one of those
Speaker 5: things where if you look at the coaching staff and
Speaker 5: people that you're bringing on, you have a lot of
Speaker 5: questions and ask to how this coaching staff is going
Speaker 5: to be any different from the one that you just
Speaker 5: let go. How is it going to be different? How
Speaker 5: is the culture going to be shifting from what you've
Speaker 5: had before? How can Schottenhammer change the scope of this
Speaker 5: offense from where you saw it last season, two seasons
Speaker 5: ago when Dak was the second runner up in the MVP.
Speaker 5: All of those things, it's just gray areas and questions.
Speaker 5: I really have nothing concrete to go off of because
Speaker 5: he's never been a head coach. So look, I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna take my time and be be negative about what
Speaker 5: just happened.
Speaker 4: Give him an opportunity. Chur you would roll that had
Speaker 4: some but they say food for thoughts. Man.
Speaker 7: First of all, if I'm shoddy, the way that I
Speaker 7: would have did it on Friday.
Speaker 4: What shout out to go little What she say is
Speaker 4: nine pm Friday.
Speaker 7: No head coach and the head coach they got me,
Speaker 7: they got Cowboys. Y'all just have shoddy regardless as far
Speaker 7: as what I feel about him, Like I said, y'all
Speaker 7: seen the show last week. For all y'all that didn't
Speaker 7: go back and tune in, you know a little promo,
Speaker 7: But I said it. Former players have spoken very highly
Speaker 7: of thee and it's not just one player. It's been
Speaker 7: multiple players. And I'm not going to put their names
Speaker 7: out there. But I can't put one guy name out
Speaker 7: there because he told me to. But for Richard Sherman,
Speaker 7: a guy like him and his caliber and we all
Speaker 7: know who he was around, like for those guys to
Speaker 7: stand on the table and beat the drum for this
Speaker 7: guy for the Cowboys. Obviously they got a rally around him,
Speaker 7: but I'm seeing a lot of players rally around him.
Speaker 7: But I would be remiss if I didn't say there
Speaker 7: as a fan, the fan side to me now that
Speaker 7: I'm removed, that I am not nervous or something like
Speaker 7: that because it wasn't the big name coming to quote
Speaker 7: unquote America team that's another conversation for later. Are they
Speaker 7: still America's team? But it's a big pressure on you.
Speaker 7: This is the crock pot of the NFL right now,
Speaker 7: because they do have a history of winning, they do
Speaker 7: have a history of having that media market, they do
Speaker 7: have the history of having an owner that is very involved.
Speaker 7: Who is your GM? So can you handle that? And
Speaker 7: so for me, I guess that's where the question is,
Speaker 7: is like will Shoddy be able to handle that? And
Speaker 7: that was the first question that I asked all these
Speaker 7: guys that I called up on the phone and said, Hey,
Speaker 7: what do you think about him? Give me something to
Speaker 7: feed off to let Cowboy Nation know that this is
Speaker 7: their guy. And a lot of those guys said that
Speaker 7: it was their guys. And for those guys, all the
Speaker 7: guys that I call, they cut through. They the first
Speaker 7: one to be like, hey, Demo, you out there making players,
Speaker 7: But I'm telling you right now, you get a trump
Speaker 7: off the field, you cut right now. Like they would
Speaker 7: go in there, Hey, Bobby Bands, you ain't gonna really
Speaker 7: talk to Bobby like that, but you'll talk to Doug Baldwin. Hey,
Speaker 7: cut your mouth. Like guys that had no filter for
Speaker 7: them to stand on the table like that. I am
Speaker 7: overly ecstatic because I just want to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: It's gonna give us good conversation.
Speaker 7: So we'll see what they say, pressure bus pipes and
Speaker 7: make diamonds. Man, I want to see if he a
Speaker 7: VVS one.
Speaker 5: You know, we'll see most of the time it's just
Speaker 5: bus pipes.
Speaker 4: Most of the time.
Speaker 7: I just write two times throughout the day and before
Speaker 7: I pass it to my dog, Barry. I got one
Speaker 7: little question that we'll get back to maybe in the
Speaker 7: next segment. But I heard you when you said in
Speaker 7: your conversation, if I'm shoddy and learning from what I
Speaker 7: learned with Mike McCarthy and him learning from under Hill,
Speaker 7: that if I come in here that now anybody in
Speaker 7: this staff, if y'all say anything while Jerry is going on,
Speaker 7: you alluded to the fact that it shut your mouth.
Speaker 4: You feel like that happened before he ow the mind.
Speaker 6: I don't know what to really think about this, you know,
Speaker 6: because it's the unknown. Like y'all both said. This man,
Speaker 6: you know, he's been coaching for a long time, you know,
Speaker 6: quarter of a century, twenty five years. He's been you know,
Speaker 6: coaching in the National Football League. And from my understanding,
Speaker 6: you know, I could be wrong, but he's never had
Speaker 6: that opportunity to be a head coach. Wasn't on top
Speaker 6: of the boards, or wasn't you know, getting interviews from
Speaker 6: other teams this offseason, you know when you talk about
Speaker 6: the head coaching carousel going around. So I'm not so
Speaker 6: sure what to think about it. You know, obviously, you
Speaker 6: know Dak went out there and said what he said.
Speaker 6: You know, they're tied together for the next four years,
Speaker 6: so you know, we'll see, you know, if Dak, you know,
Speaker 6: believes in this guy. We talked about it the other
Speaker 6: last time. You know, does you would you rather have
Speaker 6: a coach that has more of a defensive ear or
Speaker 6: a guy that's you know, in the ear of your quarterback.
Speaker 6: And obviously, for what Dak said, you know him and
Speaker 6: him and this guy Schottenheimer, you know they're on the
Speaker 6: same court, you know, offensively, so to me, you know,
Speaker 6: hopefully he can get the most out of this team
Speaker 6: out of these players like McCarthy was able to when
Speaker 6: guys went down, you know, he was able to get
Speaker 6: the most out of Cooper was the most out of
Speaker 6: these backup players out there. And I think that's a
Speaker 6: great quality for a coach to have, so hopefully he
Speaker 6: can do that as well.
Speaker 4: But to me, when you look at it as a.
Speaker 6: Team, this will be you know, another of the staff,
Speaker 6: you know, especially on the defensive side of the football,
Speaker 6: you want with you know, Nolan one year and you
Speaker 6: had DQ.
Speaker 4: For a couple of years and Zimmer this year.
Speaker 6: Now you're gonna have another defensive coordinator in iber Fluz,
Speaker 6: who I think is a heck of a defensive guy.
Speaker 6: But that's just another turnaround for this defense and another
Speaker 6: scheme for this defense to go after. So for me, defensively,
Speaker 6: I worry about that part of a little bit of it.
Speaker 6: But when you talk about a leader of men and
Speaker 6: a guy that can galvanize the troops and get guys
Speaker 6: to run through a brick wall, hopefully that's what Schachdenheimer can.
Speaker 4: Bring to the table, you know.
Speaker 6: And I want to see him do what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: was able to do, and that's get the pulse of
Speaker 6: this locker room, get the heartbeat of these players out
Speaker 6: there so they can run through a brick fall for him.
Speaker 6: Go out there, call the plays, all right, go out
Speaker 6: there and put your stamp on this offense and let's
Speaker 6: see what you really have as a head coach since
Speaker 6: you finally got the opportunity to do it. In my opinion,
Speaker 6: it was shocking. I'm kind of what the heck. It
Speaker 6: was just like, oh damn, where this guy come from?
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't want to spew more negativity
Speaker 6: on it. Just give the guy the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 6: See what he can do out there, and we'll see
Speaker 6: what happened at the chips fall where they fall.
Speaker 7: But why is everybody being so negative like right now,
Speaker 7: like just because it's not the name, because the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: you have to do it in a big fashion, Like
Speaker 7: I mean, the definition of insanity is to keep doing
Speaker 7: the same thing over and over again and expecting a
Speaker 7: different results. Mike McCarthy was a name before Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 7: they have these guys, Jason Garrett, they like, he wasn't
Speaker 7: the guy, but he was the name enough to where
Speaker 7: the Cowboys built it up to where so why not
Speaker 7: completely go far left and bring something out.
Speaker 6: Of cause it's kind of the same Like with Garrett,
Speaker 6: he was a oc here kind of worked his way
Speaker 6: through and ain't getting that Gearrett, he ain't got the pedigree.
Speaker 4: There and as far as.
Speaker 6: His dad, and it's shoddy off as a coordinator. Now,
Speaker 6: you know, bringing up within the ranks, do you feel
Speaker 6: like change is gonna happen even though you're going through
Speaker 6: that same route that you did with the coaches in
Speaker 6: the past.
Speaker 7: I think experience is the best teacher, and so for
Speaker 7: him to grow up with his dad being who he is,
Speaker 7: I think that gives him a little bit of a
Speaker 7: leg up, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Is that the osmosis part? Is that the osmosis.
Speaker 3: What you said is legitimate because I asked Jerry. I said, Jerry,
Speaker 3: he's never won anything, and he said, well, he never
Speaker 3: been the head coach. I said, Jerry as an assistant.
Speaker 3: He hasn't won anything. He's not any super Bowl teams.
Speaker 3: And then he's talked about well he's had his nose bloody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for twenty plus years.
Speaker 3: He's been in the fight. Okay, but he still has
Speaker 3: not won anything. Jason Garrett was on championship teams as
Speaker 3: a player here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was there. His dad was a scout here.
Speaker 4: He did work for Nick Saban.
Speaker 3: So, I mean we saw Jason I apologize for no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: So when Jerry's trying to sit up here and give
Speaker 3: you trying to sell me credentials. What you sold me
Speaker 3: with Jason career, it was checking off some boxes. What
Speaker 3: you're selling me with Scheinheimer. And I said to I said, Jerry,
Speaker 3: he's been with you for three years, and not one
Speaker 3: time in three years has anybody called you to ask
Speaker 3: him to be an interview for the interview as a
Speaker 3: head coach. So what do you know? Nobody else in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 4: Knows wald Bus and.
Speaker 3: So these questions, when you can take it as negativity,
Speaker 3: I take it as it's legitimate questions.
Speaker 4: Tell us why.
Speaker 3: We should just drink the kool aid on this and
Speaker 3: just say yeah, okay. I like Brian Schottenheimer personally and
Speaker 3: the interactions I've had with him. I remember when he
Speaker 3: was just an analyst. I sat in chat with chatted
Speaker 3: with him, got to meet his father before he passed away,
Speaker 3: and met him at the Hall of Fame. LT had
Speaker 3: gone in and Jerry had gone in, and you got
Speaker 3: to talk to him, and I did not know, She said,
Speaker 3: I forgot at the time. I believe it was Parkinson's
Speaker 3: he had because his dad gave me a great interview.
Speaker 3: And then later on, his dad had he thought I
Speaker 3: was someone else, he thought thought I was in it.
Speaker 3: And his wife comes up to me. She says, Marty's
Speaker 3: got you know, Marty's Marty, And I was like, that's right,
Speaker 3: that's right. Anyway. She couldn't have been any sweet, and
Speaker 3: I felt so happy for her in the moment for
Speaker 3: her son. And Marty was a great coach. But the
Speaker 3: questions that are asked if Jerry about shoddy and basically,
Speaker 3: what's the merit that says he should have this job?
Speaker 3: And you're trying to sell us something here. Jerry's track
Speaker 3: record of hiring coaches who have not been head coaches
Speaker 3: before its been Iffy Chan Gaily. Chan had some playoff teams,
Speaker 3: but that was at the end with Troy and It.
Speaker 3: But Chan Gailey didn't work out very well because Troy
Speaker 3: and then went to him and just said that he
Speaker 3: got to go. Dave Campbell three straight, five and eleven seasons.
Speaker 3: Jason Garrett was here nearly a decade, never was able
Speaker 3: to take the team of the championship game at.
Speaker 4: All, and those were loaded teams.
Speaker 5: But then you gotta go, you gotta go back to Jimmy,
Speaker 5: You gotta go back to Jimmy, you gotta go back
Speaker 5: to Bear coach, you gotta go back and do all
Speaker 5: those things. It's what you're talking about is literally the
Speaker 5: great area that everybody's trying to figure out. Well, how'd
Speaker 5: you come to this conclusion off of a guy that
Speaker 5: really nobody else wanted? And to me, that's a hard
Speaker 5: sells and that's what you're having a hard time of
Speaker 5: selling to the fan base because the reason why even
Speaker 5: though you've you've done your due diligence, you've picked up
Speaker 5: the phone and you've made some phone calls and guys
Speaker 5: vouch for him. But there's another side. Whether you say, dude,
Speaker 5: there were more qualified guys out there.
Speaker 3: Correct well qualified guys that you did not even talk to,
Speaker 3: and that was race call them. You didn't even call
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn, former player Texas Aggy, you'd have a conversation
Speaker 3: with it. You didn't talk to Ben John, you didn't
Speaker 3: even talk to them. And those are those are that's
Speaker 3: where fans were lacking. That is where certain media members
Speaker 3: had said, hey, man, the process, the process was not
Speaker 3: good and how you got here because in trying to
Speaker 3: talk to Mike, you waited too long because the other
Speaker 3: guys the window had closed on them. And so those
Speaker 3: are legitimate questions and why people have skepticism when you
Speaker 3: have not won anything in twenty nine years, you're going
Speaker 3: You're open to have questions all day long. One person
Speaker 3: or two people I was looking for to hear something
Speaker 3: from and I haven't. Maybe I'm wrong, Russell Wilson, Mark Sanchez. Yes,
Speaker 3: these are guys who work with not a word and
Speaker 3: Brian's you know, when they want to talk about Brian's success,
Speaker 3: well that was with Mark Sanchez and right, but but
Speaker 3: just okay, all right, you went to as championship games
Speaker 3: with two of them with Sanchez. Mark Sanchez is a
Speaker 3: broadcaster to nothing.
Speaker 5: He got, he got number of Mike's in front of him.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you know, he's got every opportunity in
Speaker 5: the world to tell everybody what he thinks about one
Speaker 5: Brian Scheinham. But only thing that that kind of trips
Speaker 5: me out in those years that he did call plays
Speaker 5: that he dominated in the rushing game. It'd be a
Speaker 5: different thing if the Cowboys were already on the path rushing.
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Speaker 3: look at your eyes like you want to go let's
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Speaker 3: love what you said on that. Let's let's dive into
Speaker 3: the running game. Also, three assistants were hired, so let's
Speaker 3: dive into the staff as well with Barry Church. Look Church,
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Speaker 3: Baby heck Maharrison, Traymore, BARRYT. Church, I'm your Scruggs. So
Speaker 3: so we left talking about Schottenheimer and the run game,
Speaker 3: which is what the Jets did. And when you have
Speaker 3: a Ladanian towns in Hall of Famer. That's what you do.
Speaker 3: One of my issues with Mike McCarthy was his lack
Speaker 3: of run game. And we know Shoddy believes in the
Speaker 3: run game from his time with the Jets, his dad,
Speaker 3: you know, Marty, we called it Marty Ball. They ran
Speaker 3: the football. I am for that all day long. I
Speaker 3: believe when you think about some of Dak Prescott's best years,
Speaker 3: Tony Rommel's best year was when they were running the football.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys win championships by running the football. What have
Speaker 3: we seen this year that you know running the football matters.
Speaker 3: You got two teams who are in the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: who can run the ball. Dream hunt for the Kansas
Speaker 3: City Chiefs from Barkley here for Philadelphia. So if Shoddy
Speaker 3: wants to go that way, good, But ultimately you got
Speaker 3: to get a man running back. There's no there's no
Speaker 3: there's no Brahma bull back there. You need to give
Speaker 3: him some some more competent offensive line help because that
Speaker 3: was an area last year where the Cowboys struggle. So
Speaker 3: that's my piece on that end.
Speaker 5: No, I mean that's the biggest piece is the offensive line.
Speaker 5: I mean you you you drafted a left tackle that
Speaker 5: was inept and you couldn't. You couldn't no longer put
Speaker 5: any band aids over that situation. Even your center, as
Speaker 5: much as he battled throughout the year, you had struggles
Speaker 5: through with him, our Hall of fame right right guard.
Speaker 5: We saw him, you know, pretty much fall through the cracks.
Speaker 5: With all the injuries that he had. Your offensive line
Speaker 5: could get literally nothing done. And when you just pretty
Speaker 5: much peeled back everything on your scheme and just.
Speaker 4: Look, guys, this is what we can do. You're the guy.
Speaker 5: You pointed to a running back in the running back room,
Speaker 5: say you're the guy. You're You're the one that we're
Speaker 5: gonna go with. And then you find finally found some
Speaker 5: type of synergy offensively. But it wasn't a lot. It
Speaker 5: ain't like we went to those games. And so when
Speaker 5: you talk about Brian Schaenhamer and the running la Danian Thomason,
Speaker 5: where's he you know, I mean beast mode, where's he going?
Speaker 4: I mean all of the guys that he had.
Speaker 5: So it's like, when you have that kind of success,
Speaker 5: it brings me back to the Ben Johnson's of the world,
Speaker 5: that those guys that have success with players that are
Speaker 5: quote unquote almost Hall of Fame level players. But then
Speaker 5: you come to a situation where the covers are bare,
Speaker 5: you don't have any of that. Then we're going you
Speaker 5: know what you're going to be saying in the fall,
Speaker 5: the carpenter doesn't have his tools, and it's gonna be
Speaker 5: eerily reminiscent of what we've already experienced on the defensive side.
Speaker 5: And now it's going to be two years of trying
Speaker 5: to wait on him to actually get those components so
Speaker 5: that he can run his scheme.
Speaker 4: Does he have that kind of time?
Speaker 3: This is where the ownership, if they want to do
Speaker 3: something for the fans and get people on board, go
Speaker 3: out and give the man help. Free agency draft. You
Speaker 3: got to help Brian.
Speaker 4: Shine, you got to. You got to.
Speaker 7: You gotta go out there and give him help. But
Speaker 7: you also have to put him in the best position.
Speaker 7: And so that was a great take that you just did.
Speaker 7: But I can't sit here and help. But think, like
Speaker 7: what new he said earlier, Jerry, what made you say, Hey,
Speaker 7: I'm sold on this guy historically speaking, and he's a
Speaker 7: run first, play action pass. This is what the Cowboys
Speaker 7: has had submit in the past and years prior to
Speaker 7: their success. But for you to not have these tools
Speaker 7: here for you to go interview this guy and know
Speaker 7: that that is his scheme, and then it's like okay
Speaker 7: in my head for him to be the most successful guy.
Speaker 7: Unless I'm just doing this just because this was the
Speaker 7: last minute higher, but I'm gonna put you the best position. So, like,
Speaker 7: is this the year that the Cowboys go out there
Speaker 7: and sell it all during free agency? And right now
Speaker 7: there's a lot of questions out there. Everybody's trying to
Speaker 7: call and get an inference. The only thing solid that
Speaker 7: we can say that the Cowboys and the front office
Speaker 7: no disrespect that they have done that has excited the
Speaker 7: Cowboys is extending Will McLay like you extend him. He's
Speaker 7: he's shown in the past that he can go out
Speaker 7: there and go get those guys. He has the makeup.
Speaker 7: This front office has the makeup to go up there.
Speaker 7: They didn't put what potentially in the last few years.
Speaker 7: Get me right with the numbers and newly you know
Speaker 7: you're a fat guy, But how many Hall of famers
Speaker 7: have they had on this office on line? How many
Speaker 7: people have they brought in? So I'm looking for them
Speaker 7: this year to go in there, like you said, go
Speaker 7: get him the tools.
Speaker 4: I don't like.
Speaker 7: It's like a coach saying you show up the practice
Speaker 7: like something, why you ain't got to help me? Like
Speaker 7: remember the Titans when people tried to run in there.
Speaker 7: Right now, we don't have a helmet, and so that's
Speaker 7: why I want to know, like do they gotta do
Speaker 7: they guys Spaulding or something back there?
Speaker 5: Let me ask you, there's completely wrong if you were
Speaker 5: on if you were playing defense line for the Giants
Speaker 5: last year and you come to a game versus the
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys where you're gonna honor play action money. I mean,
Speaker 5: it all sounds good until you're out there and everybody's.
Speaker 4: Looking at your off. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: If you so, if you've done all this other stuff
Speaker 7: and all knowing we can all see it black and
Speaker 7: white clears, That's why it kind of makes me say, like, hey,
Speaker 7: unless you just got the blinders on, you're gonna go
Speaker 7: out there and do something.
Speaker 4: You're gonna go get this man a running back.
Speaker 7: You're gonna go get this man an old line to
Speaker 7: make him successful, like or are are we planning for
Speaker 7: something later on down the line to come get a
Speaker 7: first round draft pick for the next year. So, like
Speaker 7: I said, when I seen somebody on social media, they said, oh,
Speaker 7: this is gonna be really good shot, he's gonna do
Speaker 7: good or the Cowboys will being monioacal and planning to
Speaker 7: have the first first round pick, first draft pick for
Speaker 7: the next two years.
Speaker 3: This is where gets tough for me.
Speaker 6: That's where it's because this team is not a one piece,
Speaker 6: two piece, three pieces away like this is a this
Speaker 6: is a roster that's I'm not gonna say it's void
Speaker 6: of talent, but it's you need some help, time help.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say last year, I said it was a rebuild.
Speaker 6: This year it's soft rebuild. They got it, They got
Speaker 6: some boards. You're looking at offensive line, you're looking at
Speaker 6: running back.
Speaker 4: Who's your wide receiver? Number two? Tight end was a
Speaker 4: big drop off this year.
Speaker 6: Defensive line, who's gonna be in your second level with
Speaker 6: the linebackers?
Speaker 3: Overshawn's got two devastating knee injuries. His Kendricks coming back.
Speaker 3: Diggs just went through another surgery on his knee.
Speaker 4: George Lewis is a free agent.
Speaker 3: Your safeties, you got them signed, But are we saying
Speaker 3: they were good last year? Like this is just some
Speaker 3: of the things that this and that's not even including
Speaker 3: the depth pieces that this team needs.
Speaker 4: Because we all understand the season is long.
Speaker 3: You could have need to schedule where they got the AFC.
Speaker 4: North exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: The division, the opposite Parsons, the law coming off injury.
Speaker 3: Is he playing again? Sam Williams coming off of a
Speaker 3: c L.
Speaker 4: What do we have we.
Speaker 7: People, Carl Lawson, Carloson if we bring him back. We
Speaker 7: just hired to just d line coach. We thought we
Speaker 7: was gonna talk about the assistance.
Speaker 4: With all Carl, don't all do but don't do that.
Speaker 4: Let's keep it. He's a role player. He's a role player.
Speaker 5: He was, He was a bridge player of the injuries
Speaker 5: that you had.
Speaker 4: Let Carl Lawson was not in camp. Carl.
Speaker 5: Last we were looking at videos of Carl Lawson working out.
Speaker 5: Fair to say, is just a guy. Yes, it's okay,
Speaker 5: it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4: Expect on him, there's no disrespect on him. But let's not.
Speaker 4: Let's not Sam. Sam Willis didn't have the a somebody
Speaker 4: gotta be back.
Speaker 5: If and Kneeland didn't tear, you know, have his knee problems,
Speaker 5: he wouldn't have been.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't We wouldn't have had.
Speaker 3: If you're depending on Carl, not depending on him. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're depending on Carloston as a depth piece, that
Speaker 3: is an indicator that you're not as good as you
Speaker 3: need to be.
Speaker 4: Everybody get better, everybody can get better. I'm just saying, like, come,
Speaker 4: let's give them a little slack.
Speaker 3: No, and not even be a cutthroat here. The fact
Speaker 3: that you had to go get him and and the
Speaker 3: other boy from Minnesota, Josh Right, showed you once again that.
Speaker 5: He was a beat back then the right right, they're better,
Speaker 5: Their best days were behind them.
Speaker 3: And once again, you know something everybody else in the
Speaker 3: league don't know because they're sitting out there.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys have got to get better at that.
Speaker 3: And if you're telling me one more time that you
Speaker 3: bring it back, Lynn, Belle, Joseph and Carl lost that
Speaker 3: you can't tell me that, and you and you're like,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard to win it. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: hard to win. And they they have got to get
Speaker 3: better at the draft picks and you know, not having
Speaker 3: the fourth round picks, they went out there mingo, that's
Speaker 3: the thing that's gonna hurt you that where you needed
Speaker 3: to get better there and you know, I'm this is
Speaker 3: just the bare.
Speaker 4: Facts up there, man.
Speaker 3: Right now, it's just like you're looking at me like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions that can't be answered in
Speaker 3: one draft.
Speaker 6: And then to add insult to injury, you have a
Speaker 6: new coach, a new which would defensively now you're seemingly
Speaker 6: in a new scheme where you are already struggling from
Speaker 6: guys that couldn't learn the scheme that Zim had and
Speaker 6: he had to revert back to DQ scheme and it
Speaker 6: was all disjointed. I mean, so how do we how
Speaker 6: do we come into this next season and say, oh,
Speaker 6: we're gonna have a better one tech? Are we going
Speaker 6: to say he's going to be better in his third year?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: I got Mazie. Are we gonna say that?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 5: Now? I mean we say in the facts that when
Speaker 5: you say we're not just one, two, three pieces away,
Speaker 5: especially on your defensive line, you know you have a
Speaker 5: ton of guys that were missing and a lack of talent.
Speaker 6: One side of the football's got it, You've got to
Speaker 6: make short one side is right. And if I'm shindy,
Speaker 6: I'm making sure that offense is right because you have
Speaker 6: more pieces on that offensive side than you do the
Speaker 6: defensive side of ast me a twenty fourteen. All right, defensively,
Speaker 6: you know we were I was out there, you know,
Speaker 6: Sean Lee and then you had you know, George Selvis
Speaker 6: and Nan Sea's like, we were a hoshpodge of defense.
Speaker 6: But we knew that offensive side of the football was
Speaker 6: our powerhouse. We had the Marco Murray, we had a Romo,
Speaker 6: we had Dez Brian, Terrence william.
Speaker 4: Beastrol the clock.
Speaker 6: But you don't have And I'm so sad you that's
Speaker 6: so instead of you know, like I said, instead of
Speaker 6: making sure, let me take care of this defense, let
Speaker 6: me take care of this office. Make sure one side
Speaker 6: of the football can be dominant and be explosive. And
Speaker 6: to me, it's got to be that office side of
Speaker 6: football because you have more big time pieces.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get a break in here. They've they've
Speaker 3: hired some assistant coaches, so let's dip some more into that.
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Speaker 3: Brian shot high head coach. On Monday, Matt Iberflus has
Speaker 3: been named the defensive coordinator. The special teams coach is
Speaker 3: the former forty nine ers d C from last year,
Speaker 3: Nick Sourson. Defensive pass coordinator is Andre Curtis. He was
Speaker 3: in Chicago with eber Flus. He was also interviewed as
Speaker 3: the Rooney Rule candidate, so they could hire eber Flus
Speaker 3: linebacker coaches Dave, Yeah, you had to, Yeah, you had to.
Speaker 3: I mean Jill about to say, but Dave like Phonsie Barganzi,
Speaker 3: Dave Borganzi who was here in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: So Church, you can go ahead and give us a
Speaker 3: little lowdown on him. Defensive line coach Aaron White Cotton
Speaker 3: from the Jets, and they are interviewing Clayton Adams, according
Speaker 3: to Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports, as the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: He's the old line coach in Arizona. So what can
Speaker 3: you tell us about young Dave? Yes, Dave Burganhi. So
Speaker 3: when I was here, Berganzi was. He was a part
Speaker 3: of that Ryan crew. So I believe it not Rob?
Speaker 4: Was it Rex? Yeah? Yeah? Rex? He was a rob. Yeah. Rob.
Speaker 6: So he was a part of that that regime with
Speaker 6: Flues and all those guys.
Speaker 4: But when I was here, he was more of like
Speaker 4: a quality control.
Speaker 6: He was a guy that kind of held up the
Speaker 6: scout cards, make sure everybody's doing they you know, things
Speaker 6: on scout team, and I'm assumed he worked his way up.
Speaker 6: So he was a young guy, energetic guy, you know,
Speaker 6: got along with everybody in the in the linebacker.
Speaker 4: Room that he was a part of.
Speaker 6: Sean Lee spoke very highly of him when he was,
Speaker 6: you know, working with our defenses.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to see what he got. But that's
Speaker 4: a strong room. You gotta to me when he was here.
Speaker 4: This could have changed. This was you know, eight years ago.
Speaker 4: It could have changed.
Speaker 3: But he was very.
Speaker 6: Similar to how I see kind of Kellen Morrish when
Speaker 6: it's kind of like, oh yeah, guys, he ever, you know,
Speaker 6: we're gonna do this. He wasn't a strong president. He
Speaker 6: wasn't a strong presence, but that was back then. Like
Speaker 6: I said, he was a quality control type guy. And
Speaker 6: you know, you got to earn your stripes and I
Speaker 6: get all that. So back then he was kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, not the strong. He might have got some
Speaker 6: like you know what, I can control this room because
Speaker 6: when he wasn't a position coach back then, you know,
Speaker 6: I ain't got your own room. You're telling grown men
Speaker 6: what to do, so you gotta kind of say it
Speaker 6: with your chest. And hopefully he's he's learned that over
Speaker 6: the years.
Speaker 4: We know that can go one or two ways.
Speaker 7: It comes back to either you overcompensate for it and
Speaker 7: now that you're saying it with your yest because people
Speaker 7: have this preconceived notion of you to where you're like, yo,
Speaker 7: it's not gonna work, or you can get your voice
Speaker 7: to where it's like I'm still calm, collective and the
Speaker 7: same guy. But get my point across.
Speaker 3: So let me ask.
Speaker 5: I had a question about the guy from Chicago. He's
Speaker 5: the he was the dB coach for Chicago.
Speaker 3: Yes, Andre Curtis.
Speaker 5: Andre Curtis, it's the guy that the coach that gave
Speaker 5: up the hell Mary to the commanders.
Speaker 4: I understand me. It was his rule this game and
Speaker 4: then the help.
Speaker 3: Wow he was you know, can I give Andre a
Speaker 3: little bit of nobody coaches at he is. Nobody goes
Speaker 3: out there, hey man, get out here and go mess
Speaker 3: with the crowd. Then when when the play happens, go
Speaker 3: run do everything we tell you not to do.
Speaker 4: To tip it up and lose the game. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: doesn't coach that.
Speaker 3: I'm so so, I mean, I know what you're saying, like, really,
Speaker 3: oh you that guy that mean's a great question to
Speaker 3: ask him.
Speaker 4: When he's coming what what happened? We want to know.
Speaker 5: And then because we needed that, we needed that, we
Speaker 5: needed that hel help get fired.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, was it a rookie that did that.
Speaker 4: In the corner? Wasn't a rookie? I thought he was
Speaker 4: the second year, second and third year about bor go
Speaker 4: back to bor guns. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The last linebacker coach was Scott McCurry. A lot of
Speaker 3: players here had a lot of issues with So my
Speaker 3: my thought on that is, I don't know if it
Speaker 3: get worse from what we've did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6: I'm always you know, he can't get much worse to neck,
Speaker 6: you know, put me on there was all right, nobody
Speaker 6: ran out here said boy, I'm miss him.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was one of those that's a nice way
Speaker 4: of saying it was a lot.
Speaker 3: Of you didn't You didn't hear you, Michael Parson ain't
Speaker 3: on the podcast say I'm miss him.
Speaker 4: See that's and that's the thing. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: But what do they not saying?
Speaker 4: That's what.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Sometimes the things you don't say is the loudest
Speaker 7: things in the room.
Speaker 4: A good brother once.
Speaker 5: Told, well, do you feel like ibra Flus When we
Speaker 5: asked the question last week about being a what if
Speaker 5: does his coach need to be more Romo Dak friendly
Speaker 5: or or Michael friendly. Do you feel like ibra Flus
Speaker 5: is is the defensive coordinator specifically for the talent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he can handle it. Yeah, he's one of those guys.
Speaker 6: He can handle the room. You know, he was in rooms,
Speaker 6: you know, with d Wear with all those guys. He
Speaker 6: can handle the talent and he can get the most
Speaker 6: out of players.
Speaker 4: He's an ex and O guy.
Speaker 6: But he's also a guy that you know, will let
Speaker 6: his players do what they gotta do, you know, to
Speaker 6: get the most out of them. He's kind of He's
Speaker 6: not a guy that's going to be like you gotta
Speaker 6: be two yards outside dash at not but the football now,
Speaker 6: he's gonna let you flow a little bit as long
Speaker 6: as you're making plays. And from when I was here,
Speaker 6: he held guys accountable. Now, you know, it was a
Speaker 6: much older team we had back then, and you had
Speaker 6: those leaders that also held players accountable. And that's the
Speaker 6: that's the thing with this with this defense, it's real.
Speaker 4: Young, but it's real young.
Speaker 7: Not to overtalk you, but I can speak on that
Speaker 7: because I also have Iberflus here at my tenure, and
Speaker 7: when I was here, the defense was relatively pretty young.
Speaker 7: I mean, you have a couple guys that have been
Speaker 7: here established as far as Skandrick, but you had d
Speaker 7: Law who was just kind of still emerging. Randy Grevgory
Speaker 7: that really wasn't in the building, so even though it
Speaker 7: was his fourth year, it was really like a rookie year,
Speaker 7: so he was just not coming on the year. Afterwards,
Speaker 7: you had Taco Charlton who was the first round pick
Speaker 7: and deal had the strong personality that he had and
Speaker 7: entitlement to where you had all type of different personalities,
Speaker 7: a lot of young guys but a few older guys.
Speaker 4: Kendrick you know how he is within his.
Speaker 7: Own self, and Iberflus coached everybody from top to bottom.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter.
Speaker 7: Like I remember him specifically calling me out because I
Speaker 7: wasn't supposed to be a guy that made the roster,
Speaker 7: but he was like, yo, I'm not here for x's
Speaker 7: and oo's. This is what we're going to do in technique.
Speaker 7: But the most important thing that I need from y'all
Speaker 7: is effort. Effort, effort, effort, and what d Moore is
Speaker 7: giving me chasing to the ball and this and that.
Speaker 7: Some of y'all better get ready because we got a
Speaker 7: transfer rule, Taco. You think just because your first round
Speaker 7: pick de long like we we we drive this competition
Speaker 7: factor and so.
Speaker 4: I bring that. I bring that to say that.
Speaker 7: Mind you, we know that people don't talk the first
Speaker 7: round picks like that in their first year. He single
Speaker 7: handedly called this man out and said, no, you're gonna
Speaker 7: play special team. You haven't earned the right to be
Speaker 7: a starter on this team. So the best is going
Speaker 7: to play. And that's what I.
Speaker 4: Flew saw so excited he saw what he called it.
Speaker 4: He said, you get your transfer paper quick.
Speaker 3: So before we head out of here. Berries other teams
Speaker 3: Jacksonville another coach, another coach tradition, Jacksonville, Prescoon was another coach.
Speaker 3: Chris played a sound bite and Liam coach worse than
Speaker 3: I even the first one, dude ball, He's like trying
Speaker 3: to whisper.
Speaker 4: But yeah, at the same time, I just can't do
Speaker 4: the most politely aggressive thing and go on to the
Speaker 4: Night and Tron.
Speaker 3: They're gonna put you on the Titan.
Speaker 4: Trawing and Duvall Jacksonville, you're gonna do vall, How can
Speaker 4: you let him do that?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 7: Like your head coach has the embody, And that's what
Speaker 7: we talked about with shoddy embody. What you're bringing to
Speaker 7: the city and you're telling me that, Hey, for a
Speaker 7: franchise that has been doing.
Speaker 4: Bad, haven't been doing good? That defense in there. You
Speaker 4: bring somebody in there that's cupcake. He's just you know what,
Speaker 4: he's one of those He looks like a socially awkward guy.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. It's not maybe not it's
Speaker 4: not his his his ministry. Man. You know, it's the
Speaker 4: question ones you got to watch it's to be a coach. No, no,
Speaker 4: but he's probably like you know, it's probably good in
Speaker 4: the room with Street.
Speaker 7: So you're basically saying he's that nerdy guy that you
Speaker 7: walk in there and when you're playing mad and you'll
Speaker 7: be like, oh, I'm about to dog walk him, and
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden he pulled everything out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The next thing is hearing Kellen Moore when he gets
Speaker 3: named head coach.
Speaker 6: Bro doing Kellen man do that killer got by the way.
Speaker 6: But that next week, that next week, yeah, we got.
Speaker 4: Right now speaking you know I know who you know
Speaker 4: what you know what I was wrong. I was wrong.
Speaker 4: The Eagles made it to the Super Bowl. Man, you weren't.
Speaker 4: You didn't pick the n f C.
Speaker 3: You picked the n f C East champion to go
Speaker 3: face the can see the Chiefs and Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Did hurt young one, It hurts you, but it's all good.
Speaker 4: I hate your good baby Many I'm not going.
Speaker 7: I'm here, Hey, bttle friends, before this is over with.
Speaker 7: He's got been talking all this trash. You know, I
Speaker 7: was the new guy and I tried to let it
Speaker 7: go before we end. He's been talking about this q
Speaker 7: dog quarterback I.
Speaker 4: Mean running back. I mean, I'm sorry, mister Schools in
Speaker 4: his box that has how many times has he thrown
Speaker 4: over two hundred in the last nine Gamespens September.
Speaker 7: It's on the same hand, I can tell you that
Speaker 7: I know the number, but I'm waiting for the fact
Speaker 7: checker to take it.
Speaker 3: But he's not.
Speaker 4: But that's what that being said. So I hope, I hope.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you like this, if your boy killing
Speaker 7: our former teammate can do what he's been doing and
Speaker 7: leaning on his tools, but do not try to go
Speaker 7: out there and create a quarterback. Because you've seen him
Speaker 7: make the comment, Oh, I feel like I got on
Speaker 7: the straight jacket. Why would you say that? And you're
Speaker 7: in the super Bowl. What ain't fixed, ain't broken, So
Speaker 7: go ahead. I hope that he can be the quarterback
Speaker 7: and he does what you say and put on. But
Speaker 7: if he does not and do what everybody else is
Speaker 7: thinking that he's gonna do, it's gonna be a bad
Speaker 7: day for you. Buy Anthony Richardson to go ahead.
Speaker 4: What ain't rich On? He plays? He plays at the
Speaker 4: end of the season and doesn't count.
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