1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hi there, everybody, 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: and thanks for listening to tech Stuff. My name is 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Chris Pellette and I am the tech editor here at 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com, sitting across from me as 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. The times they are 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: a change in Okay, anything in particular that made you 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: say that, just kind of a social change thing. I 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: see what you're getting at. Chris and I decided that 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about something that the two of 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: us are are very interested in. Um, I'm I've written 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: about this quite a bit in the blogs, blogs dot 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: hou stuff works dot com, and um, it's something that 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I continue to really be interested in. And it's the 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: whole concept of social networking and social change, all right, 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: because increasingly we're seeing social networking becoming an important part 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of uh social activities throughout the population, especially in the 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Western world, um, the over in Asia. It's a little 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: harder for us to tell just because you know, we 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: we don't have that experience, but we see a lot 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: of people using sites like Twitter, Facebook, MySpace or kit 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: even that kind of stuff too, sort of a keep 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: touch with friends, past information along make recommendations to one another, 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: um even share links like We're starting to see social 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: networking become just as important in a way as search engines. 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: People are discovering content by seeing what their friends suggest. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: And I know this might actually surprise some people because 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people, for example, with Twitter, when it 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: first came out, the question on the homepage was you know, 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And people say, well, I don't 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: really want to visit a site in which I have 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: to read about everyone going to the bathroom and making 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: a sandwich, finding the remote for their shoes. I am 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: tying my shoe, taping the terrier to the wall. It 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: gets kind of slow on the weekends. Okay, okay, But 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: but the thing is I mean and that and when 38 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: I wrote that post about Facebook light on the blogs, blogs, 39 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: dot house, stuffworks, dot com. Um, you know, we got 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: a lot of feedback for people who didn't like it 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: because they couldn't get to their applications. They wanted to 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: play Alexulis, they wanted to, you know, get into Farmville 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: and they couldn't. And you can't do that on Facebook. 44 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: But because Facebook Light is a stripped down version of 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: the site where you're just getting essentially status updates. So 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, you might be thinking, well, these sites are 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: really just for play, and a lot of people do 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: use them for that, but um, they also enable a 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of communication in a broader form that that that 50 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: also makes it possible to do things like, uh, you know, 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: organize uh, I mean even for fun, organize a flash mob, 52 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, and you might just want to get a 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: group together to to do a goofy little fake pillow 54 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: fight in the middle of of downtown New York or something, 55 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: or or organize a tweet up and say, you know, hey, 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm at Joe's Bar down on Fourteenth Street and have 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: random people who happened to be in the area drop 58 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: in and go, hey, you know, yeah, nice to meet you. 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm Twitter. You know this is me. But you can 60 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: also utilize these same social networking tools to try and 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: affect a change where you're trying to to either get 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: a message across so that you're trying to to raise 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: awareness or you're actually trying to change something specifically. And uh, 64 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: we wanted to kind of talk about how people have 65 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: used social networking to attempt this and whether or not 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: it's been successful. And I would argue that in large part, uh, 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: actually making a change has not been that successful through 68 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: social networking. But that's mainly because I don't know that 69 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: anyone has necessarily figured out the best way of doing it, 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: yet everybody does it a little bit differently. Um. Last year, 71 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: I wrote a blog post about Moldova because some people 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: were trying to hold a protest and the government was, uh, 73 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: let's just say not too thrilled about it, um, and 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: then it was it was a little violent, as I remember, 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: but you know, not like the they ran situation, which 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: we'll mention in a moment um. But people were using 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: their Twitter and Facebook status is to indicate where they 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: should meet, and it's very difficult for those who are 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: not tuned in. If the authorities are not paying attention 80 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: to it, um, it's very difficult for them to figure 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: out how hundreds of people are leaving the scene before 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: they can get there and reassembling in another location which 83 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: has been organized, you know, using these networks. And I 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: mean it could also be done over SMS, text messaging 85 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: over your phone, which is you know, that's essentially what 86 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: Twitter has built on top of. But yes, you could 87 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: do it on a much more UH scale down version 88 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: where you just take Twitter out of the equation entirely. 89 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: And in some cases that's actually a good idea because 90 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: if you have left your Twitter account public, then anyone 91 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: could see what you are updating UM just by following 92 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: the public timeline, even if they're not following you specifically, 93 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: And before long, people in charge may actually or the 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: people who oppose whatever your position is UH could end 95 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: up keeping up with you on every move you make, 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: and because you're essentially broadcasting it, and if they're able 97 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: to keep up with it, then they're able to possibly 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: negate whatever move you want to make, and then you're 99 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: back to square one. So UM. Yeah, there's some downfalls 100 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: to this kind of approach of using social networking to 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: to UM organize protests, which we really saw in Iran. Yeah, 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: one of the things before we get to that, one 103 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: of the things that makes this possible is UM and 104 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: this is not even a Twitter adaptation. This is something 105 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: that other people came up with. UH. Is the use 106 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: of the hashtag UM. You might say, well, if thousands 107 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: of people are posting Twitter messages. How you know, in 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: the public timeline, how am I supposed to figure out 109 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: what's going on in you know this particular situation. Well, 110 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: people have taken to using hashtags, which is using the 111 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: pound sign, the number sign or the octathorpe as I 112 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: like to use it, um and uh, you know, establishing 113 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: a particular tag so that everybody is putting that particular 114 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: string of text in their Twitter messages makes it much 115 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: easier to search. Yes, and most Twitter programs that I've 116 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: seen lately, third third party programs allow you to track, um, 117 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: those trending topics, so you can see if a lot 118 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: of people are are mentioning including this tag, then it 119 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: is very easy to identify what's going on with the 120 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: particular so excuse me social situation and um, you can 121 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: you can follow it very very easily. And another thing 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: that people have been doing, which is one of those 123 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: those gestures that you can very quickly identify as Okay, 124 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: something's going on because everyone seems to be doing this, 125 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: would be changing your avatar on Twitter. This became There 126 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: are two instances I can think of on Twitter where 127 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: this really kind of swept across the service. At least 128 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: the people I follow one was the blackout in response 129 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: to Australia's UM policy to filter the Internet. Now, in 130 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: this case, Australia was talking about creating a law that 131 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: would allow UM, the government to tell Internet service providers 132 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: UM what they can and can't let through the country, 133 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: and it was getting to a level of censorship and 134 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: information control that a lot of people were not very 135 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: comfortable with Internet service providers. They weren't very comfortable with it. 136 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, these are private companies that are being told 137 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: by the government what they can and can't do as 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: far as their main business UM. And as a response, 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: in order to raise awareness, UH, people began to turn 140 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: their their Twitter avatars into just a black square and uh, 141 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, at first that just got a little bit 142 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: of attention, But then some pretty high ranking as far 143 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: as followers go, Twitter members began to do this, Like 144 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: Stephen Fry, who has hundreds of thousands of people following him. 145 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: He blacked out his avatar and then left a message 146 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: about what was going on. And then you started seeing 147 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: black avatars pop up all over the place, just just 148 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: black boxes, and that's all that was there was to it. 149 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: And then usually there'd be a link somewhere like why 150 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: is my avatar like this? Read this, and it would 151 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: link to an article about the situation. As a result, UM, 152 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: the whole policy got a lot of attention directed toward it, 153 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: and they ended up delaying that decision. UM the last 154 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: night I had heard that decision actually did go through, 155 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: but it went through ages after the first discussion. So 156 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: it was something where the the reaction did kind of 157 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: cause some change, but it was it was more of 158 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: a delay than anything else. But the other case where 159 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: people changed their avatar, that was very got the end 160 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: up making the news. It was more than just something 161 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: that happened on Twitter. Was the Iranian election and the 162 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: fallout that followed it. Um. You began to see people 163 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: change their avatars where they would give them all a 164 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: green tent. Yes, some people would UH replace their avatar 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: was a simple green square, as in the case of 166 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the blackout, but others were most I think most people 167 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: were tainting, which is UH, which is what I saw 168 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: the most frequently, and the idea and they were also 169 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: going in to change their settings to the time zone 170 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: where Tehran is located, which is the capital of Iran. 171 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: And UM the idea would was twofold really to show 172 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: support for the Iranian protesters, but also to theoretically confuse 173 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: the government UH, using the hashtag and the time zone 174 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: to make it appear as though UH there were more 175 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: people involved than actually were, and to maybe mask the 176 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: identities of those who were involved. UM. At least that 177 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: was the justification that that I was reading about. And 178 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: many people are still UH. I still have not changed 179 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: their avatars back to their original state, even though those 180 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: UH revolts were taking place last summer. Yeah, this was 181 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: back in the yeah, mid mid two nine, depending on 182 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: people listen way way after the fact. So so, yeah, 183 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: the and this was one of those things where it 184 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: definitely helped raise awareness very quickly UM, and some people 185 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: were using Twitter and Facebook to try and organize meet ups. 186 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: But then quickly there was a message that went around saying, 187 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, you probably shouldn't UM published this stuff because 188 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: then it just gives the information to the Iranian government, 189 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: which was monitoring both Facebook and Twitter as much as 190 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: it could to try and determine what protesters were up 191 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: to and what their plans were so that they could 192 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: have a response unit in place. UM to take care 193 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: of UH, to take care of that without it getting 194 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: out of control. And then and there were also reports, 195 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: uh what, I don't know if they were ever substantiated, 196 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: but there were reports that the Iranian government was actually 197 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: publishing its own tweets as if it were they were 198 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: coming from protesters, to try and spread misinformation, confused matters 199 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: um to uh, to kind of take some of the 200 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: steam out of the movements so that it wouldn't be 201 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: as effective. And that's one of the big issues about 202 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: social networking is that when it gets into something like this, 203 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: when it's really highly politicized, it's hard to tell if 204 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: the information you're receiving is genuine or not without it, 205 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: without it linking to some other objective source that you know, 206 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: for a act has got really good fact checking, really 207 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: strong editorial voice. Um. Without that kind of link back 208 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: to something that you can rely upon, you have to 209 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: worry that maybe whatever it is you're reading isn't completely genuine. 210 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: And uh, I mean that's that's the case with anything 211 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: you see on any social networking site, but in particular 212 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: when it's talking about something like trying to make a 213 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: big change. Well, um, I think speaking of change, we 214 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: should talk about the social media event that's going on 215 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: right now as we are recording that. Because UM, this 216 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: is another particularly positive way I think that social media 217 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: is maybe drawing attention to and helping organize efforts to 218 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: UM help the people in Haiti. UM. Just a few 219 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: days before we recorded this podcast, UM, there was a 220 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: magnitude seven earthquake UM that killed thousands and thousands of 221 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: people and ends thousands more. Umfrastructure in Haiti is in 222 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: ruins right now, and UM it's actually only a couple 223 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: of days after that as we are recording this. So 224 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: UM as of January, this is an amazing thing. UM. 225 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: The American Red Cross was able to report that it 226 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: had raised four points seven million dollars simply from people 227 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: who were text messaging. And you might say, well, how 228 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: are they doing that. There's a company UM called m give. UM. 229 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: The president, Tony Aello, was actually talking to Lauras Adell 230 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: on NPR as I was driving home yesterday and I 231 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: listened to their his explanation of things. UM, this is 232 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: a pretty neat deal. UM. You you get a code, 233 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: a text messaging code, UM five digit number, and UM 234 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: you send a short message to that number. And basically 235 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: what happens is and give works with the phone company, 236 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: your your cell phone provider, and the nonprofit organization in 237 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: this case the American Red Cross, or there are a 238 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: couple others like White Left GJN has one UM and 239 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: UH once. What happens is if you send a text 240 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: message to that number with the the pre organized message, 241 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: they will take ten dollar donation and debit that to 242 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: your cell phone account. That's that's in the case of 243 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: the Red Cross one. I think White Left John's it's 244 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: five dollars, but yeah, it's the same same concept, So 245 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: it's whatever whatever they've agreed to. I mean, it tends 246 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: to be around the five to ten dollar mark because 247 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: that's that's an amount that most people are comfortable giving. 248 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: UM you ask for more than then it gets a 249 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: little more complex. Although the Red Cross one allows you 250 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: to give up to three times using that number. Okay, 251 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: so you can. You could give thirty dollars if you 252 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: wanted to using that UM. So that I mean, and 253 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: of course just doesn't prevent you from donating in other 254 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: ways as well. It's just one of those things that 255 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: makes it very very easy to react in a very 256 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: timely matter without it without it taking a lot of 257 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: time or effort, on your part. I know it sounds 258 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: kind of callous, but I really do believe that the 259 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: easier you make it to donate to a cause, the 260 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: more people will donate. As soon as you start putting 261 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: barriers in there where like okay, well as soon as 262 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: you get home call this number, or as soon as 263 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: you get home log into this website. Once you start 264 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: putting that time difference in there, from the moment when 265 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: someone hears about something to the moment when someone can 266 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: do something about it, right, you cut down on participation. Well, well, 267 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: this is exactly what Mr Riello was saying, that it's 268 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: just making it very, very simple. And they had interviews 269 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: with a couple of people who had been making donations. 270 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: One guy they talked to um had received a message 271 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: on his cell phone and said, well, you know, this 272 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: is so easy. I'm just gonna reply right away and 273 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: do this, and it just it was just very very simple, 274 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: very very easy. The ten dollar amount, Mr Rallo said, Um, 275 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: it's a very it's the same kind of thing. Ten 276 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: dollars doesn't really seem like all that much, but it 277 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: makes a difference for people who might not have otherwise donated. 278 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: When that's I mean, because Yeah, to know, there's not 279 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: is not a lot for any individual, but when when 280 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: you get such an effective campaign together collectively, that does 281 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: become a pretty large sum of money. Well. Kerry Houseman, 282 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: who is a spokesperson for the American Red Cross, said 283 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: that based on how effective this is, she expects that 284 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: this is going to make real lasting change in the 285 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: way that they are able to raise money in the 286 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: wake of a tragedy like this, because, um, it's just 287 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: so simple, yeah, that it happened. I'm hoping that this does. 288 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: I hope that's the case. I hope it's not the 289 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: opposite where it becomes like a unique event where people 290 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: do this because it makes them feel good, and then 291 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: the next time something happens they say, well, I don't 292 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: need to donate to that because I donated back after 293 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: the earthquake in Haiti, so why would I you know, 294 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't need to donate again. Hopefully that won't happen, 295 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: especially because like you were saying, I mean, it makes 296 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: it so much easier. Um, it removes those areas. It's 297 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: not asking for a lot of money, and in many cases, 298 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: this this money is you know, it's it's going to 299 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: causes that are vital for people's survival. So well, um, 300 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: you know there is such a thing as donor fatigue. Um. 301 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: But but no, I think and and of course m 302 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: give did not pop up mysteriously overnight after the the 303 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: Haiti disaster, so that this is something that that has 304 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: been going on for some time and this just puts 305 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: it in the spotlight. But um, there there are other 306 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: ways in which social media has helped. Um, having the 307 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: meme spread through Facebook and having a link say, you know, 308 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: it explains here's what's going on. You can donate to 309 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: Care or the American Red Cross or one of many 310 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: other organizations. Just click here and it takes you right 311 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: to the page. It's right there in your live feed 312 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: and makes it so much easier to you to identify 313 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: and share with people. With Twitter, I mean Twitter really 314 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: helped broadcast the whole text message thing quite a bit, 315 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: because I mean, if we're just talking about text messaging, 316 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: we're not really tough about social media, right. There are 317 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: social networking, uh beyond networking with your immediate social circle. 318 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: But there were so many people who were talking about 319 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter that it was trending then and that helped 320 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: quite a bit too. I'm sure that that really gave 321 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: a boost to the UM to UH submissions of of 322 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: the you know, the ten dollar donations. Well, UM, actually 323 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: getting back to how easy this is, but back to 324 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: a point that you made earlier. UM. Caroline McCarthy Sena 325 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: had has also written an article in which she was 326 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: she had talked to the marketing director for Charity Navigator, 327 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: which is a website UM that basically evaluates nonprofit organizations 328 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: and non governmental organizations. UH, you know, based on where's 329 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: the money going? UM, can you count on it actually 330 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: being used to help the people in whatever situation you 331 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: want to help them? And how much of it is 332 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: going toward administrative costs? How how reputable is the charity? Yeah, 333 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: very important questions to ask. And it's a very it's 334 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: a very neat site. But the director, marketing director send 335 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Manuity UH said that four thousand bogus donation sites were 336 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: set up after Hurricane Katrina. UM. And and so it's 337 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: very important to make sure that where you're making your donation, UM, 338 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, is actually ending up where you think it 339 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: is going. And it's very easy with things like you 340 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: r L shorteners and you know, five digit codes that 341 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: you would text message to make sure that you are 342 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: getting it from a reputable source, and then you're actually 343 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: making a donation at the site you think you're doing 344 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: that because, uh, you know, it is very easy for 345 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: a scammer to set up a site to try to 346 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: fool people, and you can bet that they will do 347 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: that in this case as well. On a related note, 348 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: I noticed already that there are Facebook groups popping up 349 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: where it's saying things like if a million people join 350 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: this group, I will donate a dollar per person for 351 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: twa haiti or whatever. A lot of those end up 352 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: being bogus. It's just someone who's creating a group and 353 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: wants to see if they can maybe actually get to 354 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: a million people. Um it's those are a lot harder 355 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: to to research than the charities because, uh, you know, 356 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: often you don't have any real information about the people 357 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: who started it. I would just recommend that maintain a 358 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: healthy dose of skepticism whenever you encounter those kind of groups, 359 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: especially if they want you to go to a different link, 360 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: because that's a good chance that that's going to take 361 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: you somewhere, whether there's some malware or a phishing scam 362 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: or something like that. UM. I always hesitate to join 363 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: any sort of Facebook group. Uh, mainly for that reason, 364 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I would rather look into alternatives. It's not that I 365 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: don't want to help, It's that I want to make 366 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: sure that my help is going to the right place 367 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: and then I'm not going to suffer for helping trying 368 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: to help someone else. So any group where you see like, 369 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: join this group, and after we hit a million users, 370 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: we get to you know, this much is gonna be donated, 371 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: because honestly, why would someone put that kind of of 372 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: uh of a requirement? There isn't that Isn't that really 373 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: ultimately heartless to say I need a million people to 374 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: join this group, and if a million people join, I'll 375 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: donate this money. Why why not just donate the money now? 376 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: Without a million people joining? What benefit is there to 377 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: have a million people joined the group? I mean, there's 378 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: no reason for it. So once you start asking those questions, 379 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: critical thinking is so important on the Internet, folks, and 380 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about things about trying to make 381 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: a social change, because everyone wants the world to be 382 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: a better place and we all want to feel like 383 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: we've contributed to that. But let's make sure that we're 384 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: really contributing to that we're not just fooling ourselves. Um, 385 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: and that that kind of I don't know if you 386 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: want to mention anything more before I moved on, but 387 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: there was one other kind of related thing to this 388 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: I was going to go off on. I was going 389 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: to uh to mention that Caroline McCarthy said that if 390 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: you receive an email from someone claiming that they are 391 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: a victim, that's also sort of a red flag. Yeah, yeah, 392 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: that you know, Hey, my my house got destroyed in 393 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: this problem. It's essentially a twist on the Nigerian scam. 394 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: It's really and which has been around forever. I mean 395 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: that that's that was facts stuff before it was email. So, UM, 396 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention another thing that happened recently on 397 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: Facebook which tries me crazy, which is the Facebook bra 398 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: color deal. So if you were on Facebook and you're 399 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: a guy, and you notice that all your female friends 400 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: were posting colors, and you were wondering why and you 401 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: never found out, um, it was it was kind of 402 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: this playful way of raising awareness for breast cancer research. Um. 403 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: Women were posting the color of their the bra they 404 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: were wearing as their status. So you might see one 405 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: that says blue or or black or white lace or 406 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: something like that, and then eventually you started to put 407 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: it together and you're like, oh, that's odd. And there 408 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: was no explanation at the time why they were posting 409 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: these colors. Now that's problem number one. If you don't 410 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: explain why you're doing something, how can you raise awareness? Okay, 411 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: problem no one. If you if there is no explanation, 412 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: you are not raising awareness. All you're doing is being 413 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: kind of flirtatious by saying, oh, look at my the 414 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: color of my under things that you cannot see they 415 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: are actually black and blue. Doesn't make a damn bit 416 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: of difference people. Part two breast cancer we're pretty much 417 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: aware of it. Turns out everyone has heard of this. 418 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: Breast cancer awareness is probably a non issue. What's the 419 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: What's that issue is research money and uh, you know, 420 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: funding for for finding a cure, prevention, that kind of stuff. 421 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: That's still extremely important. Not so much important about the 422 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: awareness the little pink ribbon not doing as much as 423 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: you think it is and donating money to services that 424 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: actually are trying to cure the disease. That is where 425 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: the action is needed. Uh. And this this goes for 426 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: beyond the web. We actually had someone come in and 427 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: talk to us about breast cancer at house stuffworks dot com. Correct, 428 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: and she pointed out that the the whole pink movement 429 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing 430 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: in the sense that it's a great marketing pr thing 431 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: where everyone's really aware of it. But it's a curse 432 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: in the sense that there are a lot of companies 433 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: that come out that try to take advantage of people 434 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: by selling these pink items saying it's for breast cancer 435 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: research and donating very little or none no money at 436 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: all to actual research, and either keeping most or all 437 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: of the profits for themselves. It's the same sort of 438 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: thing about these little Facebook gestures. They don't ultimately do 439 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: anything other than have you know, people be a little 440 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: playful about what color their underwear is. Um, that's just 441 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: it upsets me because the effort that people could that 442 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: people are putting toward being silly and mysterious and and flirtatious, 443 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: could be put towards actually doing something actionable that makes 444 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: a difference. And if you leave Facebook thinking that you 445 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: made a difference by posting the color of your underwear, um, 446 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a disservice to the people who 447 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: are actually struggling with breast cancer. You could instead do 448 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: something real to help these people. So, UM, okay, I 449 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: think I'm done ranting. Now, Okay, that was obviously something 450 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I feel strongly about. Apparently I'm going to take a 451 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: breath about pie and now I wanted to mention also 452 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: Anonymous Anonymous which has used social networking to get its 453 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: own message across UH, mostly through YouTube, which is in 454 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: a way a kind of social networking site, not quite 455 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: the same as Twitter and Facebook, but they've also used 456 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: other social networking to arrange meetings to do things like protests. Scientology, Um, 457 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: the Church of Scientology is practices, I should say, not 458 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: the religion itself. That's what they try and make clear anyway, 459 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: and there their videos, but they also tend to use 460 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: wikis a lot, which is kind of outside of social networking, 461 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: but they use a combination of those things in order 462 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: to organize and UH and take action UM as they 463 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: see fit. So social networking we are starting to see 464 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: it play a larger role within trying to make a 465 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: difference in the world. UH. And in some cases, like 466 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: when we were talking about Haiti. It's helping, but it's 467 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: mostly in that case directing action toward a different link 468 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: or a different method to to donate money or whatever. Um, 469 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: we're not really seeing it to the point yet where 470 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: social networking itself is making the huge change. But I 471 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: think that's gonna you know them. I wouldn't be surprised 472 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: if by the end of this year, two thousand and ten, 473 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: if we didn't see an incident that was was greatly 474 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: impacted and possibly dependent upon social networking. Perhaps it'll be interesting. 475 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a shutter to think what kinds of 476 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: events because it seems like good or bad. Yeah, it 477 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: seems it seems like a lot of these are the 478 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: ones that we've talked about have their roots in some 479 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, event that is very very serious at nature. 480 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: So hopeful see something really positive. And I mean that's 481 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: the thing is that, Yes, so the event is probably 482 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: very serious in nature, but the response to the event 483 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: is often very inspiring. Um. So I mean I would hate, 484 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: I hate to see that a tragic event to come 485 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: a necessity in order before you see an inspiring response. 486 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I agree with you there, but I'm 487 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: thankful that there are people who still respond with such 488 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: uh compassion and speed to these events that actually is 489 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: very encouraging for someone who you know. As they get older, 490 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: it gets a little more cynical. I had proven wrong 491 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 1: once in a while, I had, you hadn't. Okay, Well, 492 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: if any of you have noticed, you can write me, 493 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Actually you'll write both of us. The email address is 494 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: tech stuff at house stuff works dot com. We'll talk 495 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: to you again, possibly through social networking really soon. For 496 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: more on this and thousands of other topics, does it 497 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com, and be sure to check 498 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: out the new tech stuff blog now on the house 499 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: stuff Works home h brought to you by the reinvented 500 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve camera. It's ready, are you