1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much as 3 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: always for tuning in, and shout out to everybody who's 4 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: sending me pet pictures on Twitter. You're making my day. 5 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: And if you love a certain type of canine or 6 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: if you love Freemason's Boy, do we have a weird 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: story for you? Hi? I'm Ben, Hi, I'm no Ben. 8 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: You always say that if as a person who doesn't 9 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: like dogs, then they're instantly like red flagged in your mind. 10 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Is that still hold true? Uh? You know, I think 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: it's not just me, No, it's it's a wide spread 12 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: read belief. I try not to be judgmental, uh, and 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: I try to work against that prejudice, but it's it's true, 14 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: you know. And in all fairness, as I've mentioned on 15 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: other episodes, there are plenty of people who don't like 16 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: dogs because they you know, maybe we're injured by wine 17 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: as a child or something like that. But yeah, in general, 18 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: if I meet someone who's anti dog, my eyes a 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: little bit closer on them. In general, Um super producer 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Casey Pegrum dogs yes or no? Oh, big time fan 21 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: of dogs and cats, but I love dogs. Yeah, okay, 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: So here's where I stand. I I would not say 23 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 1: I dislike dogs. I definitely don't, but certain small, very 24 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: needy breeds of dogs sort of bug me a little bit. 25 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? Is that an acceptable level of of 26 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: of of negative fields towards dogs? You know, I think 27 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: so much about a given individual dogs behavior is up 28 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: to the owners, you know. One one interesting observation a 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: friend of mine who's a vet made is that small 30 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: dogs can tend to have behavioral issues because in their heads, 31 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: they're not small dogs, you know what I mean. They're 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: big alpha bruisers. And if they're treated like babies or coddled, 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: and they don't have any appropriate training that you would 34 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: give to a big dog, then they'll just behave you know, terribly. 35 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: That's true. I have, I have. I will say I 36 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: met some excellent small dogs, shizuo and even chihuahua, But 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: when I own dogs, I tend to go for larger 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: breeds myself, so teach their own. I love your polite 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: pronunciation of shizu ben. I think it's very very good 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: for keeping this a family show. Thanks man. Uh, We're 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about dogs for a reason today though, aren't 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: we Yeah, we are, And I had I had a 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: I was getting circuitously around to that. It's true today 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: is about a different kind of love of dogs, and 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: it's a very particular breed that turns out to be 46 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: like one of the oldest breed of dog known to humankind, 47 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: and that's the pug, those weird little boys with the 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: squishy faces. And it's surprising that, uh, pugs are such 49 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: an old breed, isn't it. I did not know until 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: we began diving into this episode. You're right, we are 51 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: circuitous here because we're not just talking about a pug. 52 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: We're talking we're talking about a grave and image of 53 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: a pug. We're talking about a bit of a conspiracy. 54 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: We're talking about something called the Order of the Pug. 55 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: If if you haven't heard of this, don't beat yourself up. 56 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: This is a bit of I would say, this is 57 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: a bit obscure, wouldn't you? Oh? Absolutely, um. And it's 58 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: it's attached to another, uh, sort of esoteric topic that 59 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: many people remain pretty in the dark about, which was 60 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: the Masonic fraternity, which is or Freemason's is something that 61 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: we've covered pretty extensively on our other show stuff they 62 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Um, And I didn't really 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: realize that. I assumed freemasonry was a little more ancient 64 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: than it actually was. As well, it turns out that 65 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: it was. We don't know exactly how it was established, 66 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: but we do know that. Uh, the oldest document that 67 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: references Mason's is something called the Regius Poem, which was 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: printed in thirteen ninety. Just still pretty old, but not 69 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: like ancient, I suppose, um, and that was actually a 70 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: copy of an earlier work. In seventeen seventeen, that's when 71 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: we start to see kind of more organized formations of 72 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: what are referred to as Masonic lodges. Four of them 73 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: sprang up in London, and the first one was called 74 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: the Grand Lodge of England. And uh, it's then that 75 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: we start to see a little bit better record keeping 76 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: in the Masonic order. Yeah, something something like freemasonry as 77 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: we understand it today did likely exist before nine because, 78 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: as you said, the Reggie's Poem is a copy of 79 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: an earlier work. But when those four lodges vultron together 80 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: into a Grand Lodge, that's what we can consider as 81 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: the modern age of Freemasonry or whatever. We understand Freemasonry 82 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: as today. And it took off like gangbusters. It was 83 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: super popular. It took over Europe the way that the 84 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Macarena took over radio. At some point, blessedly brief point, Uh, 85 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: the Freemasons spread across Europe. They found their way into 86 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: the American colonies. They were super popular in colonial America. 87 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: Let's see the like a lot of the founding fathers 88 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: were Masons, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Paul Revere, Joseph Warren, 89 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: and many other notable figures in early American history, including 90 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Chief Justice John Marshall. And it kept growing, right, and 91 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: now it's worldwide. And Ben, I miss spoke earlier, and 92 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: you totally corrected me beautifully. Um. The that's right. That 93 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: Grand Lodge of England was a squishing together, um allah, 94 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: pug face of those four lodges that existed there in London. 95 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't just one of them. It was a big 96 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: kind of conglomerate. Um. But yeah, you're absolutely right, and 97 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: it's kind of become it's sort of and I always 98 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: think of it as an Enlightenment movement. It's all about, 99 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: you know, bettering yourself through study through um, you know, uh, 100 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: self discovery and self improvement even and it's sort of 101 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: meant as as almost a benevolent organization to help push 102 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: society forward in a positive way. Uh. And they get 103 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: involved in lots of causes um philanthropy. For example, the 104 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Shriners is an offshoot of Freemasonry, and you often see 105 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: them in their little fez hats, writing their small cars 106 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: and parades. But they also financed a lot of children's hospitals. Yeah. Yeah, 107 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: we have to remember that during the eighteen hundreds in 108 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, the concept of the social safety net 109 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: was nowhere near as widespread, and Masonry in many cases 110 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: stepped in to fill that void, founding orphanages like you said, 111 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: also providing housing and care for widows and homes for 112 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: the elderly. For a lot of people, this was the 113 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: closest they would get to some kind of community support. 114 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: We know. The first lodge in the German speaking world 115 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: was founded at Hamburg in seventeen thirty seven, and in 116 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: seventeen forty Frederick the Great inspired or sparked the establishment 117 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: of a Grand National Mother lodge called the Three Globes 118 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: in Berlin. In my seventeen fifty four, there were nineteen 119 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: Masonic lodge is in Germany. They're kind of doing the 120 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: same stuff as the other European lodges, the colonial lodges. 121 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: What's interesting here is that in step with the evolution 122 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: and the propagation of Freemasonry, we see the evolution and 123 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: propagation of conspiracy theories about Freemasonry of people who are 124 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: not Mason's saying, you know, these these guys are up 125 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: to something, devil worshiping. I don't know, maybe maybe maybe well, 126 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: and I can understand where that comes from because it 127 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: isn't as an order that's been around for quite a 128 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: long time, and there's a lot of different things wrapped 129 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: up in Freemasonry. One of the most important tenants is 130 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: that is kind of an enlightenment organization. Like we said, 131 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: so it really emphasizes knowledge and education over mystical things 132 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: or religion. Even though they use tons of symbols we 133 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: know about, like Masonic rites and a lot of the 134 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: ceremonies that are involved in Masonic traditions and ceremonies, they 135 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: really were not about talking about God. It wasn't a 136 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: central feature in in Freemasonry at all. Uh. There's an 137 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: article from CBS News from where a Masonic historian named 138 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: Brent Morris is quoted as saying that he saw Freemasonry 139 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: as uh completely separate from this idea of religious fervor 140 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: and much more of a brotherly organization that was an 141 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: alternative to so much of the infighting that was happening 142 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: between Catholics and Protestants and any opposing religious groups. Uh 143 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: So it really was meant to kind of like say, hey, 144 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: let's just get along and try to wise up, learn 145 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: about ourselves in the world, and maybe make things a 146 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: little bit better for everybody. Yeah, they're they're essentially saying, look, 147 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: we can agree that the concept of God or Supreme 148 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Architect or whatever you wanna call it is important, is 149 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: indeed crucial. We can even say that we're compelled to 150 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: make the community a better place because of something like God, 151 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: but we don't have to be dogmatic about it, which is, 152 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: you know, a watchword of the Catholic Church. And so 153 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: even though we should bust this myth, even though Freemasons 154 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: had no truck with atheists, you would you would get 155 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: kicked out showing the door if you were an atheist. 156 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: Even though they were acknowledging what they saw as the 157 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: divine in their organizations, that this was not enough for 158 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church was still having that 159 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: are the devil worshippers? Maybe maybe maybe, I don't know, 160 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: maybe kind of conversation, and they said, you know, the 161 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: problem with this, the problem with the Masons is thought crime. 162 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: They didn't coin the term thought crime, but that's what 163 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: they were mad about, you know. No, it's true. They 164 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: thought that if you separated out that, you know, uh, 165 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: the importance of God as being first and foremost, then 166 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: it could become like some kind of like you know, 167 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: dangerous political thinking could just run rampant. There's a really 168 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: good article in the Vintage News about the Order of 169 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: the pug which we're getting to, that goes into this nicely. 170 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: So it actually happened that in seventy eight Pope Clements 171 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: the twelve, using something known as a papal bull, which 172 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: referred to that seal that would be used to seal 173 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: all kinds of official decrees, etcetera. Um, he declared Freemasons 174 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: to be persona non grata. He essentially outlawed the Order entirely. Yeah, 175 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: it's true because they posed a spiritual danger. But to 176 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: your point, they posed a secular danger, a social danger 177 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: as well. The Catholic Church at this time had a 178 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: pretty good thing going socio economically and socio politically. They 179 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: benefited from the status quo of monarchies, and free Mason's 180 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: opposed the status quo of a monarchy, and this meant 181 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: that the papacy saw Freemasonry as a danger to their 182 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: current social order and an enemy of the Church. You 183 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: have to remember, this is an organization that historically has 184 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: had no problem with straight up murdering people for very 185 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: small disagreements with their opinion on the divine and they 186 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: had a problem, especially in Germany. This is why we 187 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: mentioned the German Freemasons. So a lot of Germans were 188 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: Catholics and also members of Freemasonry, and this did not 189 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: dissuade the Church from issuing this papal bull against Freemasonry. 190 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: They saw Freemasonry as something that was helping people without 191 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: regard to their religion. So if they were helping, for instance, 192 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: an elderly person, it didn't matter to them whether that 193 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: person was Protestant or Catholic or some other religion, and 194 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: that was as very, very dangerous. So they took as 195 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: you can see in a history one of one article. 196 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 1: They took it to the nuclear level. They would excommunicate 197 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: anyone found to be a member of the Mason. Yeah, 198 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: because that level of benevolence was pretty forward thinking, right, 199 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like Catholics didn't typically mix with non Catholics. 200 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: Maybe that's overstate in the case. I mean, you know, 201 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: dogmatically speaking, that would not have been the official line 202 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church. But surely there were other Catholics 203 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: that would help out those in need despite their religious 204 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: affiliations or whatever. But this was very much a tenant 205 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: of freemasonry, and that did not sit well with with 206 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: his his what is his majesty? What do you call 207 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: a pope? His eminence is his holiness and yeah, all 208 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: of that stuff. So freemasonry is essentially outlawed as far 209 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: as the Catholic Church is concerned. You are, you know, 210 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: under threat of excommunication, which is like the worst thing 211 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: that could happen to a person. It would be like 212 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: your ostracized from your peers, from professionally society would have 213 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: been really bad news. Absolutely would have been, um, you know, 214 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: a ruinous thing to have happened to you. So these 215 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Catholics it's very important to them in Germany to continue 216 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: being Catholic, you know, because essentially, if you're excommunicated, you're 217 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: like not allowed to be Catholic anymore, which I don't mean, 218 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: you know, I would think you could still be Catholic 219 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: in your heart, but so many things. Uh, there's so 220 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: many rules that I guess you could literally have to 221 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: say like, well, I'm not Catholic anymore because I've been 222 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: officially excommunicated. It's robbed me of my Catholicism. So they 223 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: don't want that to happen. But they also really dug 224 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: this order, They really dug the whole freemason anything. And 225 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: so they decided to take it underground, UM. And you know, 226 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: and for a secret society, it was already pretty secretive. 227 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: To go like further underground, that's a real escalation there. 228 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: So they established of several members of the Catholic States 229 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: of Germany UM who did not want to you know, 230 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: publicly renounce the order and quit, but also didn't want 231 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: to incur the wrath of of the Vatican. They a 232 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: formed a group in Vienna in September of seventy eight, uh, 233 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: and they called it MOPS. Says MOPS says, I'm trying 234 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: man the best German pronunciation, but mops. It's with Germans 235 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: called pugs yep. September twenty two, seventy eight. Several members 236 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: both of the Catholic Church and Freemasonry wanted to keep 237 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: on mason NG and keep on Catholick NG, so they 238 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: came up with a an off brand of freemasonry. It's 239 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: totally an imitation of Freemasonry. It is as you said, 240 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: noel mopsis, mopsis, mops OrderIn the order of the pug. 241 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: This is the brain child, or I should say the 242 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: brain puppy, the brain pug of a man named Clemens 243 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: August of Vittelsbach, Bavaria is the Elector of Cologne, and 244 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: basically he and his Freemason buddies just kind of revised 245 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: the format. They did a reboot of masonry, and this 246 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: facilitated their activities. They chose the pug for reasons, right, 247 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't just the first animal someone saw during the 248 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: brainstorming session. They thought that the pug had these qualities 249 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: of loyalty, trust and steadfast character, and they thought, you know, 250 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: this is gonna help us on a pr front. If 251 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: the Pope gets mad that's basically what they thought. And 252 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: then they went around and started getting the patronage of 253 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: very powerful people in Germany. They went around getting protection 254 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: essentially from princes of the Empire. They would make those 255 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: princes the grand masters of the Order of the Pug, 256 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: and the Dugo Bavaria, very powerful in his own right, 257 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: took it under his protection. That's the official story of 258 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: how this off brand masonry chose the pug. But I 259 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: believe there's another theory here, isn't there No that there 260 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: has been that there is, and it revolves around the 261 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: question of what was it about these little smush faced 262 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: buggers that made them so appealing as like this kind 263 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: of iconic emblem of this secret society. So to do that, 264 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: we have to kind of think about that history of 265 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: the pug dog that we talked about at the very 266 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: beginning of the show, how long they've been around um 267 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: In China, emperors were absolutely crazy about these little guys. 268 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: There are even stories of of certain Chinese like soothsayers, 269 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: reading the wrinkles on pugs faces is some form of 270 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: divination and little ways down in history, a lot of 271 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: the European elite UH folks ranging from Voltaire you know, 272 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: who was a very well known, outspoken writer. To Queen 273 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: Victoria herself were absolutely in love with them. So when 274 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: King William the Third came to England from the Netherlands, 275 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: Um through an act of Parliament in to take over 276 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: for James the Second, who was extremely Catholic, he brought 277 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: with him UM from the Netherlands, these pug dogs and 278 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: they became UH in and of themselves kind of a 279 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: a signpost or like an emblem of the Enlightenment movement, 280 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: and that would you say a dog whistle? I would 281 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: absolutely say that. I would absolutely say that specifically in England, 282 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of these Enlightenment type intellectuals from Europe 283 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: really admired UM the kind of freethinking government UH in England, 284 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: and also as a result, the idea of owning a 285 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: pug became this kind of show of solidarity with this 286 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: revolution that was going on, and it was something you 287 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: could do, like without getting arrested, which was a plus, 288 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: or like tortured to death. Yeah, the pug. By the way, 289 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: in case we forget to mention this, the pug breed 290 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: probably dates back to four hundred BC E. That's how 291 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: ancient it is. It's definitely not a newer breed, and 292 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: at the time pugs were a little bit more slender, 293 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: and they were also if you can imagine if folks, 294 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: they were also associated with mysteries. They were somewhat exotic, right, 295 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: a dog no one had seen before. The point of 296 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: this is that the Order is most likely not taking 297 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: a pug just out of the ether. It was already 298 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. It meant something to them. They had 299 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: a reason for engaging with this particular dog whistle. They 300 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: were progressive. They were surprisingly progressive. Women were allowed to 301 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: be part of the organization as well as men, which 302 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: I think is awesome. The Mopsists were considered a androgynous order. 303 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: They as written in the Masonic Trowel dot com, which 304 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: is great to read. By the way, they admitted women 305 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: to every single office except for one, the Grand Master. 306 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: That title was held for life. That's what a lot 307 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: of those German princes of the Empire got. There was, however, 308 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: an analog position to that, a Grand Mistress and the 309 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: Grand Master and Grand Mistress roles would alternate every six months, 310 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: and whomever was in power at that time had absolute 311 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: authority over the Order, over the meetings and stuff. Uh, 312 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: and they did have something that was eccentric. It sounds 313 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: pretty open minded to not have a gender bias. But 314 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: here's the catch. Here's here's the fine print at the 315 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: bottom of the announcement. No, casey, only Catholics could undergo 316 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: the initiation ritual to join the Order of the Punk Interesting, 317 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: I guess. Okay, well, but that makes sense, right because 318 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: it was specifically like design to protect Catholics. And yeah, 319 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: I I have so much room for new members, so yeah, 320 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: let's reserve it for the folks that actually need it, right, Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, 321 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: I guess that's fair for being objective. But now since 322 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: we've done our due diligence being objective about one thing, 323 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: we've got to talk about what I what I think 324 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: is the uh, the funniest part of this, which is 325 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: the the initiation ritual. Uh. This is what I want 326 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: to start this off by saying that we are not 327 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: being derogatory, We're not dogging on them whatever, it's it's 328 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: just funny. We think it's funny. We're doggedly chasing the 329 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: truth ben as what we're doing there, we go without 330 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: being dogmatic about it. So let's let's put it this. 331 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: Let's just walk you through this. This comes from oddly enough, 332 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: National pure Bred Dog Day. You can learn the initiation 333 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: ritual you would have to undergo first. You have to 334 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: be Catholic, doesn't matter if you're a man or woman. 335 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: You have to be Catholic. Check yep. You have to 336 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: put on a dog caller. You have to get on 337 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: all fours at the front door, and you have to 338 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: scratch at the door. Check like check check? Okay, what next? 339 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: It's getting a little I'm I'm getting a little more 340 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: hesitant with these checks. Ben dog collar withold someone? Have 341 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: you on a leash? Or were you like free Roman? 342 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: You're like a stray dog looking for a home. A 343 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: collar that implies ownership. I don't know who who's your 344 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: master at this? I mean, I don't know. I would 345 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: love to see one of these, but alas that's lost 346 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: to history. Uh, they didn't have iPhones back then. Um. Yeah, 347 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: So you're scratching at the door like a good little 348 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: pug and then these hooded figures, uh, presumably on a leash, 349 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: but maybe not. Maybe they would just hook their finger 350 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: around the little loop in your collar. They would lead 351 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: you around a carpet that was full of Pug symbols 352 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: nine times in a circle. I would hope yep got 353 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: that uh, and then um. When the full uh group 354 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: of the full order of the Pugs of this particular 355 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: chapter was assembled, um, and they they actually called themselves 356 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: pugs or mops. Uh. They barked loudly and yelled momento mori. 357 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Remember you shall die check definitely got that one gonna die? Okay, 358 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: not immediately though, just big picture, right, it's important point. 359 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: It's important to acknowledge immortality in the Order of the Pugs. 360 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: But momentum mental maori is a very popular expression within 361 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: the Order of Freemasonry in general. Correct. Momentum Mori's just uh. 362 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: It's a banging expression. It's a bop. You can find 363 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: it in so many places. The only problem with momento 364 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: mori is you have to be careful not to overuse 365 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: it in casual conversations with your friends at the pub 366 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: because you might sound a little bit melodramatic. But it 367 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: fits here. These people are taking this seriously, so we 368 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: have to You have to remember the three of us 369 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: and hopefully you, dear listener, might be chuckling when we 370 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: tell you about this. But they were treating this with 371 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: high dudgeon at this time. The final stage of the 372 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: ritual involves a porcelain pug. So you've walked around nine 373 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: times the snool set and then you're led to you 374 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: here all these people barking at you and yelling you 375 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: know that one day everyone dies. And then you go 376 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: to this porcelain pug sculpture and you have to kiss 377 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: it specifically on its hind quarters, beneath its tail. You're 378 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: kissing the pugs. Uh great, Australia. Yeah uh the let mean, 379 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: let's just go there the specifically, not just the butt 380 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: the anus. Yeah, you're kissing. You're kissing the pugs butt hole, 381 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: and this reaffirms your complete allegiance to the group. Now, 382 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: sure that might sound a bit humiliating for some people, 383 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: but consider how lucky you are to be kissing a 384 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: porcelain sculpture instead of an actual pug. I gotta say, Ben, 385 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: kissing the porcelain pug butt sounds like a pretty banging 386 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: new expression for like having a puke. It doesn't. Yeah 387 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, for like a college student party. Yeah yeah, bro, 388 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: Trevor's over there totally kissing the porcelain pug butt. Bro, 389 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: like that it is important to note that when you 390 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: do this, when you jump through all these hoops, or 391 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: when you run this dog course, I should say, you 392 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: get some You get some swag out of this. You 393 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: get to wear a special medallion. It's a pug medallion 394 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: made of silver, and you hide it under your clothes. 395 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: So when you see other mopes is you can, you know, 396 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: maybe pull out your amulet and be like yo, momentum 397 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: more a make a kissing sound of a kissing a pug. 398 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: But I love it. Yeah, and that's definitely I mean 399 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: it is a dog whistle at that point, you know. 400 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: I mean that's the idea of a dog whistle, as 401 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: you're letting people know about something without coming right out 402 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: and saying it, or using symbolic language that that only 403 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: certain people in the know will register like the sound 404 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: of a dog whistle. Sorry if I am insulting anyone's 405 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: intelligence with this description of what a dog whistle is, 406 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: I know you're smart out there, folks, or son of 407 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: a fish or straight up seahorse teeth. Longtime listeners, you 408 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: know what's up. We've got our own kind of order 409 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: when no pugs yet, but we're we're working on some stuff. 410 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: So porcelain, right, that's kind of an expensive thing. It's 411 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: not something people just have. It turns out we know 412 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: about this porcelain pug partially because as a weird tongue twister. 413 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: We know about this porcelain pug partially because of a 414 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: German sculptor and model maker named Johann Candler. From seventeen 415 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: forty to seventeen forty five, he was commissioned to make 416 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: these sculptures. Uh. He made a series of sculptures, a 417 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: group of porcelain pug dolls that were designed to be 418 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: the secret emblems of the Order of the Pug. And 419 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: he he talks about it like we have on historical 420 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: record his log book where he's saying, I'm making all 421 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: these pug figurines. Uh, some are probably for the King 422 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: of Pole and uh, you know today I made a 423 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: female dog with a puppy, and then later I made 424 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: a male dog. These are these kind of like Hummels, 425 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: you know, Hummels, the really clearly collectible little little porcelain guys. 426 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: There's like the the Young Shepherd's Boy that's a really 427 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: popular one. They go for like quite a lot of 428 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: money on eBay. And there's also a thing that Carmela 429 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Soprano had uh in the Sopranos. Um that was like 430 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of an Italian equivalent of this. There's a specific 431 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: name for it's these porcelain figures of like very elaborately 432 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: dressed women. Um, and I can't remember the damn name 433 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: of it, but if anyone remembers that, let us know. 434 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: There's a whole thing where like, uh, a J has 435 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: this girlfriend that he brings over. He doesn't realize that 436 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: her family is like super rich, like mega Mondo, like 437 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, billionaire type rich, and um, it puts him 438 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: in his place when he realizes how much cooler her 439 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: house is than you know, the sopranos quite uh quite 440 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: lovely New Jersey estate. But she's being very protective of 441 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: this porcelain thing and remarking upon it how it's like 442 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: very special and expensive, and the girl kind of plays along. 443 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: But then they go to her house and she has 444 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: like her parents have like picassos on the wall and stuff. 445 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, porcelain has always kind of like held this 446 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: place of sort of bespokenness because it was more of 447 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a delicate material and not every not something everyone could have. Um. 448 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: Augustus the third, however, who was the grand Master of 449 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: the Order of the Pugs in Saxony, and a company 450 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: called mason Um manufactured a bunch of porcelain pugs in 451 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: the early seventeen forties that were used for these ceremonies. 452 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I do want to point out to pugs around this 453 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: time were a little different than they are today. Um. 454 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: They they were. They were skinnier, you know. Now I 455 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: think of a pug is like a mini bulldog almost. 456 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: There are other little stout and they've got kind of 457 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: big round heads. These pugs were a lot more genteel. 458 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: And if you see some of these sculptures, not of 459 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: the pugs themselves necessarily, but of like women from the 460 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: time posing with pugs kind of peeking out from under 461 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: their skirts and all that. Um, they're they're a lot 462 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: more dainty looking. Yeah. As I mentioned earlier in the episode, 463 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: the pugs were more slender at this time. They didn't 464 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: have the famous pug rolls that you may see in 465 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: the modern day pug. Uh. And that's you know, that's 466 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: active breeding. That's also we gotta admit part of that 467 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: diet pug owners. So the big question is your local 468 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: community inundated with a secret Pug based order dating back 469 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: to the age of Enlightenment. The answer is probably not, 470 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: because in seventeen five this order was busted. Its secrets 471 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: were exposed in a book published in Amsterdam that detailed 472 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: that initiation ritual as well as illustrations of the ritual. 473 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: Just three years later, sevent the Order of the Pugs 474 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: was officially outlawed. This uh, this was probably due to 475 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: that that publication, which have been referred to as a 476 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: trader's pamphlet, either as a whistleblower a dog whistle blower. 477 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: There we go and the authorities of the University of 478 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: guten gen Gauten Gin, what do you think getting in gutting? 479 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Thank you? They banned something called Lodge Louis, the student 480 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: lodge of the Order of the Pug, and this turned 481 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: out to be the death knew this was the final 482 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: howl of the Pug. They they came up with some excuses, 483 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: some technicalities. They said, you know, you have an unhealthy 484 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: influence over members of the lodge and it's unfair for 485 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: you to charge these students all these fees. So we're 486 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: shutting it down. But it's still went on in secret. 487 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: Now it's even deeper into the conspiratorial onion. These people 488 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: were still doing their their pug stuff, uh in well 489 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: into the nineteen hundreds into nineteen o two is last 490 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: record we have. I love that you resisted the urge 491 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: to say pug butt stuff, but I'm gonna do it 492 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: for you. Um yeah, I mean so it's like, yeah, 493 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: so first of all, masonry is outlawed, then the Pugs 494 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: are an answer to that, and then the Pug Order 495 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: is outlawed, so then it has to go even deeper underground. 496 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: I love this. I love these layers of secrecy. It's 497 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Uh and yeah. And as as 498 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: as as recently relatively speaking, as nineteen o two, the 499 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: order was reported to be active in Lyon. Then in 500 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: seventeen fifty one, Pope Benedict the x I V Ben 501 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: helped me out with the with the with the Roman numeral, 502 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: Pope Benedict the fourteen. That's right, the eye goes before 503 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: the V and makes it a four. I really need 504 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: to brush up on my Roman numerals. You know those 505 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: ones at the end of movies. Have they used it 506 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: to like spell out like an entire year, and they're 507 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: like massively long. Those are a lot of fun. Uh. 508 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: Never would be able to make heads or tails of 509 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: those in a million years, but yeah, it's true. The 510 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: pope um once again, through a papal bull um, this 511 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: time known as Providus romanorum Um, he put the kaibash 512 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: even further on freemasonry. Yeah that's right. Freemasonry was also 513 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: still the subject of intense concern for the Catholic Church 514 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: pugs aside, and here our episode probably draws to a 515 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: close because freemasonry is, as I like to say, its 516 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: own bag of badgers. So before we go on a 517 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: crazy rabbit hole or should I say a crazy pug hole. 518 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: That's a weird phrase, into crazy pug butt hole, and 519 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it into freemasonry. Uh, We're gonna 520 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: stop today's episode. We hope that you add a wonderful time. 521 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our superproducer Casey Pegram. Thanks to 522 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: Alex Williams, who composed Oh no, oh, come on, it's time, 523 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: gentleman Jonathan's Strickland a k a. The Quister. You've zoom 524 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: bombed us yet again. Yes, yes, you haven't figured out 525 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 1: how to change the U R O. There certainly was 526 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: an absence. I will say that. I don't know if 527 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: it was a palpable absence, but you know, I'm I'm 528 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: softening to you, Jonathan. I'm I'm sort of like having 529 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: a hard time maintaining this whole Nemesis thing because we're 530 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: all so lonely. It's It's true. I I frequently find 531 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: myself quizzing my dog and he just he just couldn't 532 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: care less. And it's not the same at all. You 533 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: don't have a pug, do you. I do not have 534 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: a have a mutt. Yeah, you know, Jonathan. First off, 535 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: I have to say, for everybody not watching today's episode 536 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: because we are an audio podcast, uh, your beer looks great, 537 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: one that take it with you. That's a compliment and 538 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean it. Uh. Secondly, I gotta say, um, you guys, 539 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm not super lonely. I'm thrilled. I love these days 540 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: of quarantine. Wait, Jonathan just put on his fancy new glasses. 541 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: Do are you swagging on us a little swagger? I 542 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: have to take the victories wherever I can. At this point, 543 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: Bolan duly noted, quisterd noted, Shall I explain what this 544 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: is all about? This for those who have not been 545 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: so so fortunate as to experience a quiz to segment before. 546 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: I guess you might as well. Welcome to the most 547 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: cringe worthy segments at all of podcasting. I the quister 548 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: shall quiz our beloved hosts with three scenarios, and they 549 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: must tell me which of the three scenarios is made 550 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: up seas. Yes, I have made up seas one of 551 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: the three. They at this time, I am allowing you 552 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: to ask me questions. I know, I know, I am 553 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: your curial. I change back and forth, but of course 554 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: you must preface any question with a phrase that is 555 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: arbitrarily of my own choosing. And for this one it 556 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: shall be macacahi macaheiny hoe. So oh, that's a feature 557 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: that really was fun. That that sort of went away 558 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: when you forbade us from asking questions. So I'm glad 559 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: to see that one coming back. Jonathan, I felt left out. Well, 560 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: you guys were like talking about things, and you know, 561 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: I just sat here for three minutes because you get 562 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: three minutes to decide which one's real, and I don't 563 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: like that part. So no, we are going to have 564 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: the questions return. I may or may not know the answers, 565 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: because frankly, I you know, you know that, Pug. But 566 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: I gave about half a pug butt worth of effort 567 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: on this one. Guys, I'm not not gonna lie, all right, 568 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: So I will present to you three scenarios. We will 569 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: start the timer, you will begin to debate, You will 570 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: choose one of the three as fake, and then I 571 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: would do you if you got it right or not. 572 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: So with that in mind, here are your three scenarios. 573 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: The Independent Order of the Odd Fellows is a fraternal 574 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: order that traces its history at least to the mid 575 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: eighteenth century, and at one time counted more members among 576 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: its number than the Freemasons here in America. Eleanor Roosevelt 577 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: was an odd fellow. Charlie Chaplin an odd fellow. P. T. Barnum, Oh, 578 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: you best believe he was an odd fellow. Their three 579 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: guiding principles are friendship, love and truth. Scenario two. The 580 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: Ancient Order of the Druids isn't that ancient. It was 581 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: founded in the late eighteenth century as a fraternal order 582 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: and secret society. The basis for the order wasn't so 583 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: much Druid I as it was Masonic, Influenced by Jacob Burmer, 584 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: a Christian mystic, of some renown. While the order strives 585 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: to read druid I ideals throughout the world, it also 586 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: claims to be a non religious fraternal order. Scenario three. 587 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: The earliest record for the Loyal Order of Water Buffalos 588 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: dates to just before the nineteenth century. Members of the 589 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: order will claim that the organization predates even the Freemasons 590 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: under various names, but it appears that the truth is 591 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: that a group of tradesmen, frustrated by the lengthy initiation 592 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: processes of orders like the Freemasons, decided to make their 593 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: own order. Start the clock, Okay, hang on, I'm running. 594 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: I'm running to this. I should have when I moved 595 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: this grandfather clock. I really should have put it at 596 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: least close to the microphone. Hang on, geez, been, how 597 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: big is your room? I go, and I think it's 598 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: just stalling. Okay, three minutes. Wait, Mecalcahi, Meca, Heidi Hope, 599 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan ak the quister. What was the name of that 600 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: third organization, the Loyal Order of the Water Buffaloes. I mean, okay, 601 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure all of these are real, these orders, 602 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: So I don't know, like what the detail is that 603 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's jacking with to try to mess with 604 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: our minds here. I know the Odd Fellows is real. 605 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: I've definitely heard of that. And I know that Royal 606 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: Order or the whatever water buffalo thing is also real. 607 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: Um what was Meca like a hi mecahiny Hoe? Yes? 608 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: Mr Brown? What was the second one? The ancient Order 609 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: of the Druids? So that's the one. The Druids also real? Uh? 610 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: Did feel like we we know about Druid I sacrifices? 611 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: Is that trumped up? Ben? What do you know about 612 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: this stuff from stuff they don't want you to know? Uh? 613 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: So I may not be the most help here because 614 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: I am not. I am not a hunterd percent water buffalo? 615 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: But hang on, uh, I gotta say, okay, okay, wait 616 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: wait wait wait was water Buffalo from the Flint Stones? 617 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: I think it's it? Yeah, I think it is. Do 618 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: all three of these organizations have living, non animated human 619 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: beings as members? Currently? Do you mean currently? I'll play 620 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: your reindeer games. I see that Matrix dodge. Uh yeah? Currently? No? No? Okay, 621 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: not all three? Uh? Yeah no? I think I think 622 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: I guess it's the Flint Stones and the Grand Puba. 623 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the water Buffalo. Yeah, hold on, 624 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: let me let me just make sure. All right, let's 625 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: should we lock it in three as facias? Yeah to one. Well, 626 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: congratulations your knowledge of Hanna barbera strong. Don't celebrate. This 627 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: was the easiest one I've given you so far. I 628 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: wanted to set the bar. See, this is what I 629 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: was doing. I was thinking, I'm going to set the bar. 630 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: They can't recognize a Hannah barbera reference, then, clearly I 631 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: am putting far too much effort into these segments. Now 632 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: you have convinced me that I need to do at 633 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: least more than the bare minimum congratulately. Here's the thing, though, Jonathan. 634 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: The reason it got me is everything sounds so authoritative 635 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: when you say it in that awful British accent. That's 636 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: that's part of the gig. I think it's a great accent. Uh. 637 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: And also that was pretty close. I was freaking myself 638 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: out because as soon as you said odd fellows, I 639 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: knew one of them wouldn't be true. And then as 640 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: soon as you said water Buffalo, I I thought, you know, 641 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: I have read so much about these secret societies that 642 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: surely and this was maybe arrogant to me, I was like, 643 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: surely I'm gonna know I would have heard something more 644 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: about Water Buffalo at this point. I would have drove 645 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: an episode on it, or Nolan I would have. And 646 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: so I think I was conflating in my mind with 647 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: like the Elks Lodge, you know what I mean, the Elks, 648 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: And there's also the Order of the Moose. Yes, there 649 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of other orders. I mean clearly, when 650 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: they were making the Flintstones and decided to create a 651 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: fraternal order, they based it off of other existing fraternities, 652 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: and so water Buffalo came to be. And that's why 653 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: I felt. I felt that this was a coin flip 654 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: situation because I realized that this is one where you 655 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: might have heard of it, but I wasn't certain how 656 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: how deep your flintstone knowledge went. But at the same time, 657 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: if you got it wrong, I was just going to 658 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: lord it over you for it to the end of time. 659 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: I was right about the Grand Puba, though, isn't that 660 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: the Grand Puba is the leader of the water Buffaloes 661 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: all right? And the Stonemason's shout out to the Stonemason's right, 662 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: is that what their name is in the Simpsons Stone 663 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: Cutterstone cut the stone Cutters stone Cutters. Well, I I 664 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: think we should start our own order. Uh, you know 665 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: of some sort I've always ever since I've been working here, 666 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 1: uh and doing this podcast stuff, I've always been starting 667 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: cults or orders. You can see me convincing Jonathan to 668 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: join a cult led by our friend Matt Frederick somewhere 669 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Well, let's get some suggestions from people. What 670 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: do you think, guys, Let's get some suggestions for the 671 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: name of our secret our secret keeping. Keeping in mind, 672 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: the pug butt is already taken. Yeah, that's that's a bummer. 673 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: That's a real pug bumm, pug bummer. So so, Jonathan, 674 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: I I think out of our immense profound respect for 675 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 1: you and tossing us a softball there, uh, I motioned 676 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: that you should be able to choose your own title 677 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: in whatever this order ends up coming, subject to approval 678 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: by Casey Pepper. Well, I mean quiz to really just fits. Really, 679 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it's it's it's not just a lifestyle, 680 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: it's also my title. So it's really it's I'm like 681 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: the wind, baby, you can't control me. What do you 682 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,280 Speaker 1: want to be? The Grand quiz Ter? The high quick Sister, 683 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: his eminence, the Quister, the High Quister. Sounds good that 684 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: that goes along with my plans for later today. So 685 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: let's let's go with that one. Alright, alright, I can 686 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: get behind that. Um. I never thought I would see 687 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 1: the day where you made that kind of joke. Jot. 688 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: I well, it's four twenties somewhere. It's I miss you, man. 689 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,439 Speaker 1: That's that's our show, right, I think. I mean. Thank 690 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: you very much to Jonathan Strickland a k a. The 691 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: Quister for those ridiculous historians keeping track at home, NOL. 692 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: I believe this makes us either ted or maybe we're 693 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: one up an hour, one up. Oh man. Finally I'll 694 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: get some respect from my cats at this apartment. Finally 695 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: I'll be able to sleep at night, and finally, casey uh, 696 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: we'll probably not change his behavior at all. Fair Huge 697 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: thanks to Alex Williams, who composed our theme. Christopher Haciota 698 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: is here in spirit our research associate, Grand High Puba 699 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: Gaye Lousier. Big thanks, of course to our apparently high Quister, 700 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland a k a. The High Quister now uh, 701 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: and big thanks, of course to our own wizard of 702 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: the East Eves Jeff Coat, big thanks to you for 703 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: tuning in. We hope this message finds you well. And 704 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,439 Speaker 1: if you are the happy person of a pug, then 705 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, give him a hug, send us a picture. 706 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: You can find us all over the internet Facebook, Twitter 707 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: and the other one Instagram, Almost in my Space, but 708 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: definitely Instagram. I don't think we have in my Space. 709 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: You can find our community page ridiculous Historians. You can 710 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: also find us as individuals online. That's correct. I'm exclusively 711 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: on Instagram at how now Noel Brown, where you can 712 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: follow my COVID cooking adventures and other isolated activities around 713 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: the house. There's I Got a Hamster make an appearance 714 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: every now and then, Hanako the Hamster and Jonathan Strickland 715 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: k the Quister. Where can people find more of your 716 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 1: work or dare I say your social media hot takes? 717 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,720 Speaker 1: They can go to the Twitter and follow at John 718 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: Strickland that's j o n. Or if you really want 719 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: to see cuteness, you go to Instagram and you look 720 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: for at Tiblet wonder Pup. That's my dog. That's awesome. 721 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know that I'm gonna follow that. I'm a 722 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: sucker for novelty accounts. You can find me app in 723 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: Bullying hs W on Twitter. You can find me making 724 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: a lot of survival kits at Ben Bolan on Instagram. 725 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: What a pleasure my last thanks do you guys, sincerely 726 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: and surely and uh nol. Thanks for thanks for getting 727 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: into pugbuts with me anytime. It was my pleasure. I'll 728 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: see you next time, folks, Hug your pug. For more 729 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,479 Speaker 1: podcasts for my heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 730 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.