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I slammed my car in park, got 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:10.240 out of the car. There was no sound. I couldn't 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.880 hear anything. It lit this whole street up. Discovering there 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.800 no sound, Oh my god. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.440 I hop that Appliant J played the appliant o' play 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:21.559 it cry you right for mission. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:33.520 Welcome to High Strange. A little after midnight in nineteen 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.119 ninety four, strange lights were seen over the northeastern sky 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.080 of Ohio. Local residents from all around Trumbull County began 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.560 calling into local news stations to report it. The following 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.520 is the actual tape from the nine to one one 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.360 dispatch center, and I dispatched. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.000 You report to any objects in the air but minutes. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.560 Roy Anne Rudolph was working at the dispatch center that 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.000 night and Youngstown, Ohio. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.520 I was a dispatcher telecommunicator at the Trumbull County nine 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.440 to one to one center. The first few hours were 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.040 relatively quiet. Everybody was just settling in and we get 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.880 a call from one of our local media personalities from 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.120 a TV station and I get that. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:22.120 My health it could be saying normal saw something. Oh 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.760 it's no noise, no noise, it was low flying and 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.560 put the glowing object. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.160 We started getting a couple of phone calls about people 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.920 who were seeing a light in the sky. How many 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.359 called in, But I, I really don't know what that 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:38.720 would be. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.240 At first, she thought this whole thing might be a joke, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.560 or at the very least a misinterpretation of something normal 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.760 in the sky, like a balloon or a plane. But 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.519 it wasn't long before she started receiving her own calls 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:51.360 to the police station. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.720 The calls started spanning out a little bit from that area. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.720 Then the calls became more and more frequent. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.720 Ten hundred people already wreak, ran up and down. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.120 They hi ufo, okay she is, I mean I got 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:06.560 a purpose. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:07.440 You were all masks. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.040 She tried to rationalize the report she was receiving, starting 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.280 with the most obvious. It's a hoax or a small 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.160 plane or a helicopter. Probably nothing worth a learning her 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.880 police officers about. But the nine one one calls were 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.000 multiplying faster than she could keep up. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.400 I just can't quite make it ostrolizin ocular that budger 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.400 has not moved. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.359 They were upset by the object not moving. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.079 That's thing half thought. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:34.800 There's tends. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.080 Notice that I don't wanted it. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.920 See a red glow open that guy huge. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.840 I don't want their predators an osculars. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.080 I can't quite bake it out. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.160 They're changes colors from white to. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.920 Red, the green, but sect. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:47.760 That has not moved. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.240 They have gone any drisk and because I don't want 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.280 the good can look. 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.440 They were really upset because there was no noise. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.160 I didn't hear it now the only time I had 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:59.640 with my car, Well, what. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.360 W it moving? 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:02.240 Or yeah? 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.880 Bowing like up in the air, blowing getting further away 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.160 from it. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.040 The townspeople were clearly genuinely concerned. She took it upon 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.320 herself to inform the officers of the situation. At this point, 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.919 it warranted some real investigating. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.680 What typically happens is you dispatch the units, and I 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.119 picked the officer I thought would respond without getting upset 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.279 that I sent them on this because it just sounded 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.640 so it just sounded like a lot to process. Of 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.840 the three officers, I picked the one officer who was 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.360 a friend of mine who I didn't think would be 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:34.919 upset that I sent him. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.760 My name's Stobe Malaro, Liberty Township, Ohio. I'm a police officer. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.159 We were used to getting calls like that to see 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.560 one thirties would be training and they would shut their 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.440 lights off, sometimes open them up, So there was no 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.760 big rush in going to check this out. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.719 Toby was dispatched to investigate what exactly was going on here. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.880 Hey, listen, there's some people who are flipping out. There's 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.040 seen some lights in the sky and they are panicky 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.760 about this. He said, all right, I'll head that way, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:06.719 give me a minute. 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.840 As I was en wrapped, five or six calls start 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.880 coming in about a huge light in the sky. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.159 We continue fielding calls and all of a sudden, other 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.920 police units in the general vicinity start seeing it. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:20.720 Bob I Pwhere to god? 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.719 Horror called in on an unidentified object? Every liberty horror 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:33.080 call or call on an unidentified flying object. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.599 And you beat off the gun and encloy bottom high to. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.640 Check out, isn't that a UFO? Yeah, we got like 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.760 these calls on it earlier taste. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.480 Luckily, what would you believe was the least opinion hid 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:46.880 out of the. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.200 UFO And we got like hid calls on earlier. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.839 Today and they're looking again left within yet a couple 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.120 of different people the officers did they call it? 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.440 One of the hold officers, I did he fall covering 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.640 it like a ten minute man. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.160 It's pretty messed up. We got across some last playing 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:02.920 we got. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:02.880 The night. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:04.479 Over. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.080 A dozen officers had reported to roy Anne that they 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.760 had seen a UFO, and she passed this information into 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.560 all active law enforcement units in the area an attempt 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.120 to triangulate where this thing was. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.680 These are seasoned police officers, people who have great credibility, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.040 and now they're seeing some things. And you start hearing 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.200 these other departments talking over the various frequencies and the 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.840 other dispatchers are speaking and conversing about these lights. These 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.680 officers were ten twenty miles apart from one another, and 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.479 they're all saying they're seeing these formations, they're seeing these lights. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:36.919 And that changed. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:43.520 Everything from like a white the white at read to 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.760 Paul thinging green labor. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:47.560 What did you really think it was? 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.320 I don't know any here, conor kill whatever it is 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.719 the big under Klam provid. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.960 It became clear that whatever was happening in the skies 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.640 wasn't going away anytime soon. Multiple police stations are reporting 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.240 the same things. What they were seeing in the sky 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.400 that night was reported to be as big as a 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.960 football field, hovering low and emitting no sound at all. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.520 When you start hearing people who have been respected members 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.720 of the law enforcement community and you say, okay, this 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.400 now has a little bit more credibility, what do you do? 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:22.600 How do you handle that? 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.640 One of the officers who witnessed the object that night, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.200 named Lieutenant James Baker, decided to climb an abandoned radar 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.240 tower to get a better look. According to Baker, there 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.160 wasn't just one UFO, but three, forming a triangle and 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.720 flashing color in Unison. Multiple officers were in pursuit of 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.119 the object in their patrol cars speeding through town trying 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:43.840 to keep up with it. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.920 I told him to call the airbase to see if 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.920 they had anything on radar or if they had some 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:50.800 type of plane at or something going on. 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.720 Ah yeah, dude, at the orient, IM look attach to 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:57.440 plate the department. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.000 We recorded some flying. 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.440 Object at our action. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.760 You know, if anything, it should be in our airspace 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:03.840 at the time, close to. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.320 The ground, the UHD belt. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.160 But I go, I am a little young. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:10.880 Not out there. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.120 I'm not there, and go. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.040 I didn't anticipate I'd get a lot, but I certainly 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.200 didn't expect to hear there's nothing. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.720 Within a sixty mile radius. Nothing at all was appearing 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.320 on the FAA's radar systems. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.080 I would like to think it could have been something 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:31.360 from the air base. My conversation with the gentleman that 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.640 I spoke with at the airbase, it was a little 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:38.760 bit unsettling, only because his sincerity, the honesty in him 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.120 telling me I see nothing, and made a shudder because 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.200 you expected him to come back with some kind of answer. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.200 It was a December night, but it was really hot 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.160 out time. It was like sixty degrees was close to midnight. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.199 Well heading to the scene of the latest sighting, Toby 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.520 was approached by a nervous bystander in the neighborhood. He 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.840 was standing in the street and waved him down as 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.000 he approached in a squad car. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.559 He actually stopped me when I was coming down the road, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.599 walked out to the street and said it had just 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:12.520 been over his house. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.200 The man was visibly unsettled and claimed that just moments 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.400 ago he had seen the objects hovering directly above his house. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.320 I said, what was this over your house? I'm looking 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.559 at the skies. I don't see anything. To be honest 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.559 with you, I thought maybe this guy had been drinking 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.800 a little bit. What direction did it go? 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:30.600 He said? 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:31.000 South. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.400 At first, Toby didn't believe this man, but that was 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:36.160 about to change. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.319 I told him to go back in his house, go relax, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.760 and I'll check it out. I continued down the street 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.640 the direction he told me he had it south. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.000 Toby arrives in the area, marks himself in the area. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.240 We have what we call a checkup, what's called a 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.679 code six, and that means everything okay with you, and 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.959 if it is, you acknowledge that nothing's wrong. I gave 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.640 Toby several Code six and I was getting nothing back. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.080 Toby went radio silent. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.240 I don't know if something bad happened to him. I 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.160 don't know if something happened to his car. I don't 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.120 know if he had an accident. But he was not responding, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.079 and that's a problem when you're a dispatcher. That is 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:15.920 the worst fear of any dispatcher. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.120 She continued to send out the RUOK communication called Code six, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.480 but for ten full minutes she was getting no response 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.920 at all. At this point, the situation escalated to all 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.160 hands on deck. Officers from all around the county were 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.000 sent to check on him. It felt like an eternity. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.160 There are times when people, Hey, I stepped into the 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.280 restroom and I didn't bring my portable with me. There 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.280 are times when that happens. But you have a responsibility 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.760 to send people start them in that direction. It's a lifeline. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.439 I was at a stop sign. A big beam of 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.800 light came upon my vehicle all at once. My car 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:05.400 shut off, my computer, my radio. I was still in drive. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.640 A huge light in the sky has hit my car. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.600 I slammed my car in park, got out of the car. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.640 I had no idea what it was. Initially I thought 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.360 it was a plane. However, there was no sound. I 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:24.400 couldn't hear anything. I had that physically shilled my eyes. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.080 Just an intense, bright light about one hundred feet above 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.960 tree level. It lit this whole street up, just covering 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:39.880 there no sound. It was long, oval in shape, the 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.400 size of a football fielder better. I was trying to 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.720 determine exactly what it was. I've never seen anything that intense, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:53.480 that bright without making noise. And then all of a sudden, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:12:00.959 it just shot off. As it moved on, everything in 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.360 my car turned back on. My car started back up. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.480 At that point, I started a radio my location. They 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.559 were asking me if I was Code six. Was meant, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.800 are you okay? They said I was off air. I 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:24.160 think like four minutes. That didn't seem right. I said, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.360 I'm fine. I told them what I saw the direction 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.960 of travel of the light. I gave them a direction 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.320 of travel, and they start pursuing the lights another jurisdictions 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:39.640 start picking that up, saying that we see it. I've 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.000 lived there all my life and I know that these 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.680 planes fly. You know, maybe the air Force is trying 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.880 out a different type of airplane and they're not going 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:52.400 to tell you what they're doing. As time progressed, we 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.640 tried to get information from the military base. They didn't 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.920 want to even say anything about it. That's where my 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.720 rationale came that it was something from the base itself. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.000 I really didn't think it was anything more than that 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.199 initially until the calls were coming back that there's nothing 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.240 up in the sky. Then I didn't know what to think. 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.920 Why would they be lying it was a strange occurrence. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.719 You know, I don't want to get into is it 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.360 from another world? I you know, I didn't want to 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.520 get into that, but hey, anything's possible. My logic, my 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.520 way the rationalized. What I saw was it was something 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.040 from the military base, some type of plane they were 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.959 testing out, and obviously they don't want that information to 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:41.360 get out. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:48.280 I don't know what went on that specific night. That 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:53.920 was a complete anomaly. I'm hesitant to put any kind 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:58.439 of title on it or label it. I expected to 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.000 come back with something tangent you could offer people, and 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.360 there was nothing we could provide anybody. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.960 For me, knowing the area, knowing that we have an 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:14.200 air base, that just made sense to me. Everybody denied 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.400 that it had anything to do with our military base. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.880 From the base, they said they had nothing on radar 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:23.400 at all. Maybe for someone else it being aliens would 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.240 fit their logic, But our base is one of the 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.080 bigger air force bases, you know, could it it came 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:28.480 from there? 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:29.920 That's what I was thinking. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.120 I just know that I've been a police officer for 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.240 thirty years. I've never had anything like that ever happen before. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:42.720 There's been sightings forever, going back to before christ. I 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.160 don't know exactly what it was, but I know what 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:45.600 I saw. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.680 Being in law enforcement, you want solutions, you want finality. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.320 There's nothing finite about what happened that night. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.560 Last Thursday, on the Paul Benzaquin Show, Wei heard a 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.280 carefully documented account of the sighting of an object in 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:17.680 the sky. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.440 In the long history of UFO sightings throughout the entire world, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.080 it's certainly safe to say they're not all alien spaceships. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.480 Her husband and her fourteen year old son had seen 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.600 an extremely bright object sixty three degrees high on the 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.880 eastern sky. She said it could have been as bright 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.880 as the moon and was traveling at a speed her 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.320 husband calculated at twenty two thousand. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.480 Five hundred miles per hour and no matter how strange 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.200 those lights in the sky may appear, things are not 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:46.240 always what they seem. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.120 The sighting would ultimately be identified, for the object was 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.760 well known from the outset. When Missus Clinton was asked 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.880 if the object was as bright as the moon, she 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.640 said it could have been. Of course it could. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.040 It was the moon. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.800 The moon, she described, was one day less than full, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.120 and by simply omitting its name, she caused a flurry 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.160 of calls. Based on the most identifiable object in the 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.280 night sky. It is fair to wonder this among the 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.480 nine thousand UFOs reported over the past ten years or so, 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:20.840 how many. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:21.880 Were like this one. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.960 She just kind of illustrates the illusionary perception of shapes. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.560 Here's Mick West, investigative skeptic. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.720 There was a minor case on Twitter a while ago 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.120 where someone in Orlando was seeing these circles of lights 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.440 in the sky. It looked like a giant alien spaceship 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.560 covering above the clouds. Luckily she got the street sign 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.520 in the video shot, and I tracks down which street 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.680 that was, and where she was standing and what direction 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.840 she was looking in, plugged it into Google Earth. Five 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.600 miles over in that direction was Disney World. The obvious sounds. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.679 Was use looking at the Disneyland light show and there 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.200 was a low clouds reflecting that light show. You get 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.280 things that match, but you can't come out and say 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:16.040 one hundred percent that's what it was. It's a coincidence 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.399 that in five miles in that direction was Disneyland, and 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.760 they often have light shows with Reynolds from Forest. It's 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.440 a coincidence that in the direction they were looking there's 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.440 a lighthouse. Does it solve it one hundred percent? Not 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.840 for everybody, but I think it really moves that explanation 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:32.920 to the top of the list. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.600 For decades, UFO hoaxes have continued to muddy the water. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.719 It's like Bigfoot or the Locknest Monster. As soon as 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.000 you find out that really crazy video you saw was 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.160 just a prank, it can start to make you question 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.439 everything in a lot of these UFO hoaxes have been 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:51.520 pretty damn convincing. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.080 A strange site, red blinking lights could be seen across 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.320 Moors County, New Jersey. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:57.840 Last night. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:03.280 I looked up outside and I was really scared, and 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.200 I just saw these five red light One night in 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.720 New Jersey, there were multiple reports of a UFO outside 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.119 the suburb of Morristown. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.920 At eight twenty eight, the Hanover Township Police received the 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.280 first of seven nine. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.960 To one one calls. There were dozens of witnesses, panicky 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.119 phone calls to police, an extensive local news coverage. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.399 It was unsettling, Yeah, for sure, just because you're watching 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.119 something that you have no idea, you've never seen before. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.960 Eyewitness accounts are not always accurate. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.680 You got very different accounts from different people. Some people 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.520 will just say they saw a light. Some people will 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.879 say they saw like a triangle shaped craft, or some 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.840 people say they saw things that were the size of 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:50.400 a football field flying overhead. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.600 In two thousand and nine, a group of friends decided 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.359 to document their own UFO hoax. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.040 All right, here we go. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:02.160 Here's the flare. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.320 What we're doing is we're just putting a little fishing 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:05.560 line around the bottom of it. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.560 They tied flares to helium balloons and one at a 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.200 time just let them off in the air. We're about 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.680 to go out and do our int all hoax, and 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.000 you what kind of reactually can get. And before they 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.320 knew it, people were calling into local news stations. The 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.720 prank has worked. The unifleet, it's all over the News 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.560 News Twell, New Jersey. Just as they planned. They folded 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.680 the whole town into believing an alien spacecraft was about 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.080 to take over New Jersey. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.879 Roadside flares attached to helium balloons. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.640 But how easy are these to really pull off? And honestly, 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:45.840 how common is it? 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.040 The difficult thing with UFO hoaxes is really have people 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.639 keeping quiet about it. There was a case in France 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.480 where the fated say UFO sighting by attaching a light 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:02.520 stick to a drone. Some people interpreted them as being UFOs, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.440 And there's all these different accounts obviously because there's different people. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.359 It's not hard at all to fake things. Tie something 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.000 to a drone or have a drone with big splashing 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.399 lights or something fly that over a few neighborhoods and 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.400 someone's going to see it. If you wanted to simply 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:26.240 create something that people would interpret as a UFO, it's 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:26.880 not that hard. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.479 Well, let's just see then, if I wanted to make 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.240 my own UFO hoax, could I actually pull it off? 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.399 And will I go to jail? I'd met with my 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.960 team and one of our producers, Dylan, was super into 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.760 the idea, and he took it upon himself to create 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.560 a UFO hoax master plan. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:48.960 We were sitting around drin gets some beers at a bar. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.399 We came up with this idea of creating our own 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.159 UFO hoax. How hard would it be to make our 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.360 own UFO. We considered flying up five or six drones 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.119 with a bunch of different colored lights on it. It 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.800 could we build something and fly it over the city, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.040 or like, how legal would that be? How illegal would 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:06.560 that be? Would we all end up in prison for this? 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.639 Building it in Atlanta over the city just seemed like 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.879 a bad idea. In general, there's a good chance we 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.680 could get arrested for flying an airspace restricted airspace. We 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.520 almost needed a more open area somewhere where we could 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:20.119 get away with this. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.399 We were filming some promotional videos for the podcast in Sedona, Arizona, 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.080 and decided since we're out here, might as well make 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:28.639 the best of it. 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.879 Right out the middle of the desert. We figured, Hey, 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:33.600 this could be the perfect time to try this out. 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.639 We're in the desert, we're not near any airports, so 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.639