1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: High Strange is released weekly every Thursday, brought to you 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: absolutely free. But if you want to bene the whole season, 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: it's available right now on Apple Podcasts for all Tenderfoot 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: plus subscribers. You'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: For more information, check out the show notes. Enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: As I was in wrapped, five or six calls start 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: coming in about a huge light in the sky. I 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: was at a stop sign. A big beam of light 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: came upon my vehicle. All at once. My car, shut off, 10 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: my computer, my radio. I saw a huge light in 11 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: the sky just hit my car. I had no idea 12 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: what it was. I slammed my car in park, got 13 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: out of the car. There was no sound. I couldn't 14 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: hear anything. It lit this whole street up. Discovering there 15 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: no sound, Oh my god. 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: I hop that Appliant J played the appliant o' play 17 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 3: it cry you right for mission. 18 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to High Strange. A little after midnight in nineteen 19 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: ninety four, strange lights were seen over the northeastern sky 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: of Ohio. Local residents from all around Trumbull County began 21 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: calling into local news stations to report it. The following 22 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: is the actual tape from the nine to one one 23 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: dispatch center, and I dispatched. 24 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: You report to any objects in the air but minutes. 25 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Roy Anne Rudolph was working at the dispatch center that 26 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: night and Youngstown, Ohio. 27 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 5: I was a dispatcher telecommunicator at the Trumbull County nine 28 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 5: to one to one center. The first few hours were 29 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 5: relatively quiet. Everybody was just settling in and we get 30 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 5: a call from one of our local media personalities from 31 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 5: a TV station and I get that. 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: My health it could be saying normal saw something. Oh 33 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: it's no noise, no noise, it was low flying and 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: put the glowing object. 35 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 5: We started getting a couple of phone calls about people 36 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 5: who were seeing a light in the sky. How many 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 5: called in, But I, I really don't know what that 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 5: would be. 39 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: At first, she thought this whole thing might be a joke, 40 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: or at the very least a misinterpretation of something normal 41 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: in the sky, like a balloon or a plane. But 42 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: it wasn't long before she started receiving her own calls 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: to the police station. 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: The calls started spanning out a little bit from that area. 45 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 5: Then the calls became more and more frequent. 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: Ten hundred people already wreak, ran up and down. 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: They hi ufo, okay she is, I mean I got 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: a purpose. 49 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: You were all masks. 50 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: She tried to rationalize the report she was receiving, starting 51 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: with the most obvious. It's a hoax or a small 52 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: plane or a helicopter. Probably nothing worth a learning her 53 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: police officers about. But the nine one one calls were 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: multiplying faster than she could keep up. 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 6: I just can't quite make it ostrolizin ocular that budger 56 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 6: has not moved. 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 5: They were upset by the object not moving. 58 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: That's thing half thought. 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: There's tends. 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Notice that I don't wanted it. 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: See a red glow open that guy huge. 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 4: I don't want their predators an osculars. 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 7: I can't quite bake it out. 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: They're changes colors from white to. 65 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Red, the green, but sect. 66 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: That has not moved. 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: They have gone any drisk and because I don't want 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the good can look. 69 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 5: They were really upset because there was no noise. 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: I didn't hear it now the only time I had 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: with my car, Well, what. 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: W it moving? 73 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: Or yeah? 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: Bowing like up in the air, blowing getting further away 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: from it. 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: The townspeople were clearly genuinely concerned. She took it upon 77 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: herself to inform the officers of the situation. At this point, 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: it warranted some real investigating. 79 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 5: What typically happens is you dispatch the units, and I 80 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 5: picked the officer I thought would respond without getting upset 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 5: that I sent them on this because it just sounded 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 5: so it just sounded like a lot to process. Of 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 5: the three officers, I picked the one officer who was 84 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 5: a friend of mine who I didn't think would be 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 5: upset that I sent him. 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: My name's Stobe Malaro, Liberty Township, Ohio. I'm a police officer. 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: We were used to getting calls like that to see 88 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: one thirties would be training and they would shut their 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: lights off, sometimes open them up, So there was no 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: big rush in going to check this out. 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: Toby was dispatched to investigate what exactly was going on here. 92 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 5: Hey, listen, there's some people who are flipping out. There's 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 5: seen some lights in the sky and they are panicky 94 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 5: about this. He said, all right, I'll head that way, 95 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 5: give me a minute. 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: As I was en wrapped, five or six calls start 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: coming in about a huge light in the sky. 98 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 5: We continue fielding calls and all of a sudden, other 99 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 5: police units in the general vicinity start seeing it. 100 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 4: Bob I Pwhere to god? 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 5: Horror called in on an unidentified object? Every liberty horror 102 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 5: call or call on an unidentified flying object. 103 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 4: And you beat off the gun and encloy bottom high to. 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Check out, isn't that a UFO? Yeah, we got like 105 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: these calls on it earlier taste. 106 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 8: Luckily, what would you believe was the least opinion hid 107 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 8: out of the. 108 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: UFO And we got like hid calls on earlier. 109 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: Today and they're looking again left within yet a couple 110 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: of different people the officers did they call it? 111 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: One of the hold officers, I did he fall covering 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: it like a ten minute man. 113 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 4: It's pretty messed up. We got across some last playing 114 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: we got. 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: The night. 116 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 7: Over. 117 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: A dozen officers had reported to roy Anne that they 118 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: had seen a UFO, and she passed this information into 119 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: all active law enforcement units in the area an attempt 120 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: to triangulate where this thing was. 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 5: These are seasoned police officers, people who have great credibility, 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 5: and now they're seeing some things. And you start hearing 123 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 5: these other departments talking over the various frequencies and the 124 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 5: other dispatchers are speaking and conversing about these lights. These 125 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 5: officers were ten twenty miles apart from one another, and 126 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 5: they're all saying they're seeing these formations, they're seeing these lights. 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 5: And that changed. 128 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: Everything from like a white the white at read to 129 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: Paul thinging green labor. 130 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 5: What did you really think it was? 131 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: I don't know any here, conor kill whatever it is 132 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: the big under Klam provid. 133 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: It became clear that whatever was happening in the skies 134 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: wasn't going away anytime soon. Multiple police stations are reporting 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: the same things. What they were seeing in the sky 136 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: that night was reported to be as big as a 137 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: football field, hovering low and emitting no sound at all. 138 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 5: When you start hearing people who have been respected members 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 5: of the law enforcement community and you say, okay, this 140 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: now has a little bit more credibility, what do you do? 141 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 8: How do you handle that? 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: One of the officers who witnessed the object that night, 143 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: named Lieutenant James Baker, decided to climb an abandoned radar 144 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: tower to get a better look. According to Baker, there 145 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: wasn't just one UFO, but three, forming a triangle and 146 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: flashing color in Unison. Multiple officers were in pursuit of 147 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: the object in their patrol cars speeding through town trying 148 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: to keep up with it. 149 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: I told him to call the airbase to see if 150 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: they had anything on radar or if they had some 151 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: type of plane at or something going on. 152 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 5: Ah yeah, dude, at the orient, IM look attach to 153 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 5: plate the department. 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: We recorded some flying. 155 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 4: Object at our action. 156 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: You know, if anything, it should be in our airspace 157 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: at the time, close to. 158 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: The ground, the UHD belt. 159 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 8: But I go, I am a little young. 160 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: Not out there. 161 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: I'm not there, and go. 162 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: I didn't anticipate I'd get a lot, but I certainly 163 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: didn't expect to hear there's nothing. 164 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: Within a sixty mile radius. Nothing at all was appearing 165 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: on the FAA's radar systems. 166 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 5: I would like to think it could have been something 167 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 5: from the air base. My conversation with the gentleman that 168 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 5: I spoke with at the airbase, it was a little 169 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 5: bit unsettling, only because his sincerity, the honesty in him 170 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 5: telling me I see nothing, and made a shudder because 171 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 5: you expected him to come back with some kind of answer. 172 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: It was a December night, but it was really hot 173 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: out time. It was like sixty degrees was close to midnight. 174 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: Well heading to the scene of the latest sighting, Toby 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: was approached by a nervous bystander in the neighborhood. He 176 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: was standing in the street and waved him down as 177 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: he approached in a squad car. 178 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: He actually stopped me when I was coming down the road, 179 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 2: walked out to the street and said it had just 180 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: been over his house. 181 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: The man was visibly unsettled and claimed that just moments 182 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: ago he had seen the objects hovering directly above his house. 183 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: I said, what was this over your house? I'm looking 184 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: at the skies. I don't see anything. To be honest 185 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: with you, I thought maybe this guy had been drinking 186 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: a little bit. What direction did it go? 187 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: He said? 188 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: South. 189 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: At first, Toby didn't believe this man, but that was 190 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: about to change. 191 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: I told him to go back in his house, go relax, 192 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: and I'll check it out. I continued down the street 193 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: the direction he told me he had it south. 194 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 5: Toby arrives in the area, marks himself in the area. 195 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 5: We have what we call a checkup, what's called a 196 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 5: code six, and that means everything okay with you, and 197 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 5: if it is, you acknowledge that nothing's wrong. I gave 198 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 5: Toby several Code six and I was getting nothing back. 199 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: Toby went radio silent. 200 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 5: I don't know if something bad happened to him. I 201 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: don't know if something happened to his car. I don't 202 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 5: know if he had an accident. But he was not responding, 203 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 5: and that's a problem when you're a dispatcher. That is 204 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 5: the worst fear of any dispatcher. 205 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: She continued to send out the RUOK communication called Code six, 206 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: but for ten full minutes she was getting no response 207 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: at all. At this point, the situation escalated to all 208 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: hands on deck. Officers from all around the county were 209 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: sent to check on him. It felt like an eternity. 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 5: There are times when people, Hey, I stepped into the 211 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 5: restroom and I didn't bring my portable with me. There 212 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 5: are times when that happens. But you have a responsibility 213 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 5: to send people start them in that direction. It's a lifeline. 214 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: I was at a stop sign. A big beam of 215 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: light came upon my vehicle all at once. My car 216 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: shut off, my computer, my radio. I was still in drive. 217 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: A huge light in the sky has hit my car. 218 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: I slammed my car in park, got out of the car. 219 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: I had no idea what it was. Initially I thought 220 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: it was a plane. However, there was no sound. I 221 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: couldn't hear anything. I had that physically shilled my eyes. 222 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: Just an intense, bright light about one hundred feet above 223 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: tree level. It lit this whole street up, just covering 224 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: there no sound. It was long, oval in shape, the 225 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: size of a football fielder better. I was trying to 226 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: determine exactly what it was. I've never seen anything that intense, 227 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: that bright without making noise. And then all of a sudden, 228 00:11:54,040 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: it just shot off. As it moved on, everything in 229 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: my car turned back on. My car started back up. 230 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: At that point, I started a radio my location. They 231 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: were asking me if I was Code six. Was meant, 232 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: are you okay? They said I was off air. I 233 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: think like four minutes. That didn't seem right. I said, 234 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: I'm fine. I told them what I saw the direction 235 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: of travel of the light. I gave them a direction 236 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: of travel, and they start pursuing the lights another jurisdictions 237 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: start picking that up, saying that we see it. I've 238 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: lived there all my life and I know that these 239 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: planes fly. You know, maybe the air Force is trying 240 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: out a different type of airplane and they're not going 241 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: to tell you what they're doing. As time progressed, we 242 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: tried to get information from the military base. They didn't 243 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: want to even say anything about it. That's where my 244 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: rationale came that it was something from the base itself. 245 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: I really didn't think it was anything more than that 246 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 2: initially until the calls were coming back that there's nothing 247 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: up in the sky. Then I didn't know what to think. 248 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: Why would they be lying it was a strange occurrence. 249 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to get into is it 250 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: from another world? I you know, I didn't want to 251 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: get into that, but hey, anything's possible. My logic, my 252 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: way the rationalized. What I saw was it was something 253 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: from the military base, some type of plane they were 254 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: testing out, and obviously they don't want that information to 255 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: get out. 256 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 5: I don't know what went on that specific night. That 257 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 5: was a complete anomaly. I'm hesitant to put any kind 258 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 5: of title on it or label it. I expected to 259 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 5: come back with something tangent you could offer people, and 260 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 5: there was nothing we could provide anybody. 261 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: For me, knowing the area, knowing that we have an 262 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: air base, that just made sense to me. Everybody denied 263 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: that it had anything to do with our military base. 264 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: From the base, they said they had nothing on radar 265 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: at all. Maybe for someone else it being aliens would 266 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: fit their logic, But our base is one of the 267 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: bigger air force bases, you know, could it it came 268 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: from there? 269 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. 270 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: I just know that I've been a police officer for 271 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: thirty years. I've never had anything like that ever happen before. 272 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: There's been sightings forever, going back to before christ. I 273 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: don't know exactly what it was, but I know what 274 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: I saw. 275 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 5: Being in law enforcement, you want solutions, you want finality. 276 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 5: There's nothing finite about what happened that night. 277 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 7: Last Thursday, on the Paul Benzaquin Show, Wei heard a 278 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 7: carefully documented account of the sighting of an object in 279 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 7: the sky. 280 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: In the long history of UFO sightings throughout the entire world, 281 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: it's certainly safe to say they're not all alien spaceships. 282 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 7: Her husband and her fourteen year old son had seen 283 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 7: an extremely bright object sixty three degrees high on the 284 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 7: eastern sky. She said it could have been as bright 285 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 7: as the moon and was traveling at a speed her 286 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 7: husband calculated at twenty two thousand. 287 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Five hundred miles per hour and no matter how strange 288 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: those lights in the sky may appear, things are not 289 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: always what they seem. 290 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 7: The sighting would ultimately be identified, for the object was 291 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 7: well known from the outset. When Missus Clinton was asked 292 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 7: if the object was as bright as the moon, she 293 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 7: said it could have been. Of course it could. 294 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: It was the moon. 295 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 7: The moon, she described, was one day less than full, 296 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 7: and by simply omitting its name, she caused a flurry 297 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 7: of calls. Based on the most identifiable object in the 298 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 7: night sky. It is fair to wonder this among the 299 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 7: nine thousand UFOs reported over the past ten years or so, 300 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 7: how many. 301 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: Were like this one. 302 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 6: She just kind of illustrates the illusionary perception of shapes. 303 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: Here's Mick West, investigative skeptic. 304 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 6: There was a minor case on Twitter a while ago 305 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 6: where someone in Orlando was seeing these circles of lights 306 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 6: in the sky. It looked like a giant alien spaceship 307 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 6: covering above the clouds. Luckily she got the street sign 308 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 6: in the video shot, and I tracks down which street 309 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 6: that was, and where she was standing and what direction 310 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 6: she was looking in, plugged it into Google Earth. Five 311 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 6: miles over in that direction was Disney World. The obvious sounds. 312 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 6: Was use looking at the Disneyland light show and there 313 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 6: was a low clouds reflecting that light show. You get 314 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 6: things that match, but you can't come out and say 315 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 6: one hundred percent that's what it was. It's a coincidence 316 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 6: that in five miles in that direction was Disneyland, and 317 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 6: they often have light shows with Reynolds from Forest. It's 318 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 6: a coincidence that in the direction they were looking there's 319 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 6: a lighthouse. Does it solve it one hundred percent? Not 320 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 6: for everybody, but I think it really moves that explanation 321 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 6: to the top of the list. 322 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: For decades, UFO hoaxes have continued to muddy the water. 323 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: It's like Bigfoot or the Locknest Monster. As soon as 324 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: you find out that really crazy video you saw was 325 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: just a prank, it can start to make you question 326 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: everything in a lot of these UFO hoaxes have been 327 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: pretty damn convincing. 328 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: A strange site, red blinking lights could be seen across 329 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: Moors County, New Jersey. 330 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 6: Last night. 331 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: I looked up outside and I was really scared, and 332 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: I just saw these five red light One night in 333 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: New Jersey, there were multiple reports of a UFO outside 334 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: the suburb of Morristown. 335 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 8: At eight twenty eight, the Hanover Township Police received the 336 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 8: first of seven nine. 337 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: To one one calls. There were dozens of witnesses, panicky 338 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: phone calls to police, an extensive local news coverage. 339 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 6: It was unsettling, Yeah, for sure, just because you're watching 340 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 6: something that you have no idea, you've never seen before. 341 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: Eyewitness accounts are not always accurate. 342 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 6: You got very different accounts from different people. Some people 343 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 6: will just say they saw a light. Some people will 344 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 6: say they saw like a triangle shaped craft, or some 345 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 6: people say they saw things that were the size of 346 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 6: a football field flying overhead. 347 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, a group of friends decided 348 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: to document their own UFO hoax. 349 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: All right, here we go. 350 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: Here's the flare. 351 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: What we're doing is we're just putting a little fishing 352 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: line around the bottom of it. 353 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: They tied flares to helium balloons and one at a 354 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: time just let them off in the air. We're about 355 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: to go out and do our int all hoax, and 356 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: you what kind of reactually can get. And before they 357 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: knew it, people were calling into local news stations. The 358 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: prank has worked. The unifleet, it's all over the News 359 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: News Twell, New Jersey. Just as they planned. They folded 360 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: the whole town into believing an alien spacecraft was about 361 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: to take over New Jersey. 362 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 8: Roadside flares attached to helium balloons. 363 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: But how easy are these to really pull off? And honestly, 364 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: how common is it? 365 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 6: The difficult thing with UFO hoaxes is really have people 366 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 6: keeping quiet about it. There was a case in France 367 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 6: where the fated say UFO sighting by attaching a light 368 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 6: stick to a drone. Some people interpreted them as being UFOs, 369 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 6: And there's all these different accounts obviously because there's different people. 370 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 6: It's not hard at all to fake things. Tie something 371 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 6: to a drone or have a drone with big splashing 372 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 6: lights or something fly that over a few neighborhoods and 373 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 6: someone's going to see it. If you wanted to simply 374 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 6: create something that people would interpret as a UFO, it's 375 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 6: not that hard. 376 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: Well, let's just see then, if I wanted to make 377 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: my own UFO hoax, could I actually pull it off? 378 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: And will I go to jail? I'd met with my 379 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: team and one of our producers, Dylan, was super into 380 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: the idea, and he took it upon himself to create 381 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: a UFO hoax master plan. 382 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 8: We were sitting around drin gets some beers at a bar. 383 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 8: We came up with this idea of creating our own 384 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 8: UFO hoax. How hard would it be to make our 385 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 8: own UFO. We considered flying up five or six drones 386 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 8: with a bunch of different colored lights on it. It 387 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 8: could we build something and fly it over the city, 388 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 8: or like, how legal would that be? How illegal would 389 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 8: that be? Would we all end up in prison for this? 390 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 8: Building it in Atlanta over the city just seemed like 391 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 8: a bad idea. In general, there's a good chance we 392 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 8: could get arrested for flying an airspace restricted airspace. We 393 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 8: almost needed a more open area somewhere where we could 394 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 8: get away with this. 395 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: We were filming some promotional videos for the podcast in Sedona, Arizona, 396 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: and decided since we're out here, might as well make 397 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: the best of it. 398 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 8: Right out the middle of the desert. We figured, Hey, 399 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 8: this could be the perfect time to try this out. 400 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 8: We're in the desert, we're not near any airports, so 401 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 8: we'd come up with all these different concepts of how 402 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 8: to do this. I finally settled on this idea of 403 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 8: creating a helium filled saucer shaped balloon. I talked to 404 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 8: Paint about it, and we decided this would be the 405 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 8: perfect time in place to do something like this. I 406 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 8: built a prototype to begin with, just to make sure 407 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 8: that this concept would actually work, and I built the 408 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 8: prototype out of a really thin plastic sheeting, basically the 409 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 8: plastic sheeting you'd put down if you were to like 410 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 8: paint your house or something. The sheeting that I used 411 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 8: was incredibly thin, which was great for my weight to 412 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 8: lift ratio. It made the craft very light, but it 413 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 8: also made it very puncturable. It made it very likely 414 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 8: to pop or explode because it was just so thin 415 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 8: you could almost stick your finger through it just trying 416 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 8: to work with it. The first thing I think is 417 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 8: I need a thicker plastic sheet because that's going to 418 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 8: make this craft more durable. It's going to make sure 419 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 8: that when we send it up it doesn't catch on 420 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 8: some tree branch somewhere and just rip a big hole 421 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 8: in it. But that also means it's four times the weight, 422 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 8: and this weight ratio is the biggest thing that I'm 423 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 8: struggling with. How do I make this craft light enough 424 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 8: that it'll float, but big enough that it can be 425 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 8: seen and strong enough that it's durable and won't blow 426 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 8: in the wind and explode in the sky or catch 427 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 8: on something or rip. The big thing with helium bloom 428 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 8: is it has to be incredibly light. You need a 429 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 8: lot of it to pick up even a little bit 430 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 8: of weight. One hundred and fifty cubic feet of helium 431 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 8: to fill this thing. I spend pretty much a full 432 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 8: day just looking on Arizona for helium. Apparently there's a 433 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 8: helium shortage in America right now. So I finally find 434 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 8: some industrial warehouse that has an excess supply of helium. 435 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 8: So I walked in and I'm just an average looking 436 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 8: guy and I walk in. I'm like, hey, I need 437 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty cubic feet of helium, and he's 438 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 8: what do you need that for it? It's a lot 439 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 8: of helium. You're filling something up. So that was very 440 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 8: direct with him about it. I'm building a UFO. He 441 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 8: laughed and said, well, you know, I'll sell it to you, 442 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 8: but I better not see this on the news later. 443 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: Well that's kind of the point. The whole goal is 444 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: to get this thing in the air and on the news. 445 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 8: I have all these materials, thousands of dollars worth of materials, 446 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 8: just strewn around our Airbnb. Taping every part of it 447 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 8: that I can think of, looking for holes, looking for 448 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 8: any place where helium can escape. Any hole that's bigger 449 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 8: than the atom of helium it'll leak out of. Taping 450 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 8: every edge, every corner, every crease. I've rechecked. I've done 451 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 8: the math two or three times. The amount that we 452 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 8: have will fill this craft, and it should be light 453 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 8: enough and buoyant enough that it'll float. 454 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: Sounds like a solid plant. I watched this. Dylan and 455 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the crew put together this craft outside 456 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: the parking lot of our Airbnb. 457 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 8: This has to work. This hoax has to work. We've 458 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 8: spent so much time, so much money has been invested, 459 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 8: and it's going to work. It's now two am, because 460 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 8: I spent all day. It's below freezing outside. You can't 461 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 8: see anything in front of you. Taping the last little bit. 462 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 8: Put the lights on. I turned the lights on. We're 463 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 8: ready to go. Pick this thing up. It's nine feet 464 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 8: across in diameter. 465 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: It's huge. 466 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 8: We start to fill it up. 467 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: Is it going in there? 468 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 8: It's filling, It's looking great. I'm getting really excited I did, 469 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 8: my confidence of this is totally gonna work. 470 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: Really quick. 471 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 8: Then all of a sudden, the helium tank just fizzles out. 472 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 8: That was all the helium. This thing isn't even half 473 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 8: full of helium yet not floating by any means. It's 474 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 8: definitely still crashing to the ground. All that time invested 475 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 8: and there's no more helium. It was devastating, and I'll 476 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 8: admit I definitely had to just like go sit down 477 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 8: in a corner somewhere and just question all my life 478 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 8: decisions coming up to that point. I cried in a 479 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 8: corner by myself. And then after that I just got 480 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 8: so fed up with it. I was so angry and 481 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 8: I had nowhere to release my anger, so I released 482 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 8: it on the UFO. It was such a solid design. 483 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 8: I felt pretty good about destroying that which I had created. Yes, 484 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 8: even though our hoax didn't work out, I think I 485 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 8: still learned a really valuable lesson. Hoaxes are really hard 486 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 8: to pull off. You hear all these stories all the 487 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 8: time about everything in the sky must be a hoax. 488 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 8: It must be a balloon, it's a drone, it's something 489 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 8: like that. But the truth is, things that don't look 490 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 8: like commercial aircraft nine times out of ten. Take a 491 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 8: lot of very capable knowledge to pull off. A million 492 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 8: things need to go right and nothing can go wrong 493 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 8: for something like that to really happen. But again, I'm 494 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 8: no scientists, I'm not an engineer, just some guy. 495 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: Dylan was greatly disappointed. But at the last minute we 496 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: decided to try one more thing. We took our drone, 497 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: then suspended a really bright led light from the bottom 498 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: of it, then just flew it up in the air 499 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: as high as we could get it. And I will 500 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: say it does look pretty uphoe. You can check it 501 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: out for yourself on our Instagram and TikTok page. Just 502 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: go to at high Strange I uploaded the full length 503 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: UFO hoax adventure or shall I say fail, Sorry, Dylan. 504 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Some of the most infamous UFO cases throughout our history 505 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: have clearly challenged all rational explanations. It doesn't mean that 506 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: they're entirely true, but they've stood the test of time 507 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: enough that they still puzzle us today. But there's a 508 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: difference between claiming to see strange lights in the sky 509 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: and living out a literal nightmare. Some cases are not 510 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: just weird or hard to explain some of them are 511 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: flat out terrifying, and the following story takes the cake 512 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: for the scariest claim that I've ever heard, Say and Farnie. 513 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: Who will be speaking to us long distance from Forceless, 514 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: New Hampshire. 515 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: Oh, which one have I got on a miner of 516 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: I got your photo? That's you, Barney? 517 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: Are you there? 518 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: On September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one, newly Weed's Betty and 519 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: Barney Hill were traveling overnight along US Route three, a deserted, 520 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: empty road in the mountains of New Hampshire. What transpired 521 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: that night changed their lives forever, and would arguably inspire 522 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: and shape the horror genre of alien encounters in pop 523 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: culture forever. We have to go back to nineteen sixty one. 524 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: It starts as full into this overe Yes, that's ry 525 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 3: September nineteen sixty one. 526 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 7: That's when whatever happens happened. 527 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Yes, Barney Hill worked for the Postal Service and his 528 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: wife Betty was a social worker. It was a cool, 529 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: crisp night, the moon visible in the clear sky. Barney 530 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: was driving down USU three as their dogs slept at 531 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: Betty's feet. 532 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: Betty and I were He's setting from a vacation rip 533 00:28:53,840 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: in Canada and arrived in New Hampshire closem chopped in 534 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: a town called cold Brook, mil Ham. Here happy with 535 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: Poppy and the hamburger, and we laughed Bob. 536 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: After Barney finished his burger and Betty had a slice 537 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: of chocolate cake. They figured they could make it home 538 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: from the diner at around two or three am. The 539 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: roads were basically empty that night, as it was too 540 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: early for ski or hunting season. While gazing at the moon, 541 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: Betty noticed a bright star to the left of it, 542 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: and then another star appearing right above it that was 543 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: slowly getting bigger and brighter. 544 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 4: Betty called my attention to the object alike for face 545 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 4: for for move after it, and decided to come in. 546 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Barney was a World War Two vet and enjoyed plane watching. 547 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: He was almost instantly convinced that the objects was likely 548 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: something conventional and paid little attention to it. 549 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: Obviously, I was. 550 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: Totally close about and flying frogs and so your left falls. 551 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: Throughout their drive, they both continued to watch the object 552 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: as the trees and mountains surrounding them began obstructing their view. 553 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: Now that you can see in the sky like a 554 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: light lit the sky in the background. 555 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: Betty noticed that the lights on the objects were behaving 556 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: differently than that of a normal plane, but would typically 557 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: be a single red blinking light appear to be changing 558 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: colors in an unusual pattern. 559 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: The objects is how blowing along the same directly that 560 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: we were going. 561 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: For a moment, it felt like they were being followed 562 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: by the object. 563 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 4: The object went around the wind. 564 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 6: How in front of them. 565 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: Both Betty and Barney could see the craft clearly through 566 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: their windshield. 567 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: I got out of the gue and the objects which 568 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 3: brought it over the driver side of the cot, and 569 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: I became determined that to find outlass and had to 570 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 3: have some natural explaining. 571 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: They stopped the car again again, got out, took with 572 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 4: them with binoculars that were on the front seat. They 573 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 4: looked through the binoculars and saw this object covering perhaps 574 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 4: a hundred feet above that cock and one side of 575 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 4: the road. The song movement. 576 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm looking at it wins monoculus, and I can't believe 577 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: what I am seen. 578 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: Barney described the craft as wide as three telephone poles 579 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: and made no noise wins of monocalyus. 580 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: I can concerned what I call figures moving about at 581 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: a huge plate glass. 582 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 4: That came to curve around. 583 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: Barney could see a double row of windows on this 584 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: pancake shaped object. He pulled into a nearby field to 585 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: get a closer look, when he saw something much more 586 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: unsettling inside the craft that was hovering there. He could 587 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: see half a dozen living beings wearing what appeared to 588 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: be black uniforms, staring directly at him. 589 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: These thinkers that we're looking savingly sound was me because 590 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 3: the object was tilted and I could see with the monocalypse. 591 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 3: When I thought were going up, touching or pulling off, leaving, 592 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: I was just completely fasted to Betty has singed. I 593 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: pulled the monocolates waves on my eyes, stashing back to 594 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: the car, claiming to Betty, Oh my god, I said, Betty, 595 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 3: this is going to get answer. Guitar put it the 596 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 3: and the objectised it over his. 597 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: They now got into that car and sped away for 598 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 4: what they thought was their own wives. The rounded the 599 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 4: curves to the left, and that car in expectedly just stopped. 600 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 4: The car vibrated. 601 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 3: I felt with my hands on the steering wheel. 602 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 4: I felt the singling. 603 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Colum After a tingling in the steering column, they heard 604 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: a series of irregular beeps, then a haze came over them. 605 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they realized they had traveled about 606 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: thirty five miles from Indian Head to Ashland, New Hampshire, 607 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: with no recollection of that part of the drive. They 608 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: slowly approached what appeared to be a roadblock in the 609 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. 610 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 4: Alongside the road at round level was this immense, intense 611 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 4: firange globe. Several men dressed in rather strange uniforms were 612 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 4: lying across the road. 613 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: They all stepped back, but one stayed behind and remained 614 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: looking at him. Their eyes were unlike anything he'd seen before. 615 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 4: That wouldn't stop. The man came over, removed him from 616 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 4: the can escort them to the sauce of this light 617 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 4: in the woods. 618 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: Betty claimed that Barney was in some kind of sleepwalk 619 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: state and wasn't answering when she called. 620 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 4: Out to him, and they would taking a boy who 621 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 4: purported to be a spaceship. 622 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: They were placed on a metal table separate from each 623 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: other as humanoid like creatures began taking samples of their hair, skin, 624 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: and nails. 625 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 4: For the next two hours, they were submitted to a 626 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 4: complete physical and intellectual examination. Question about the life when 627 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 4: they asked, so they just entered another world when they 628 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 4: into that spaceship. 629 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: Over seventy years later, the Betty and Barney hillcase remains 630 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: one of the most horrifying and hardest to debunk cases 631 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: in American history. Yes, please. 632 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 9: Never forget that day. 633 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: This is Kathleen Morten, the niece of Betty and Barney Hill. 634 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 9: I was thirteen years old in nineteen sixty one when 635 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 9: Betty and Barney were abducted. 636 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: She recalls vividly the day that all their lives would 637 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: change as a family. 638 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 9: My mother was on the phone with Betty. 639 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 6: I listened. 640 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 9: My mother was concerned, and I knew that something was wrong. 641 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 9: When she hung up the phone, she told me Betty 642 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 9: and Barney had seen a flying saucer up close the 643 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 9: night before. 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