Speaker 1: In today's episode of Take It to the Draft Podcast,
Speaker 1: we got Russell Wilson, Justin Field, Sam Howel, to Seattle,
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks, all these picks moving around the NFL.
Speaker 2: What does it mean for the Commanders? Stay tuned to
Speaker 2: find out.
Speaker 1: And we got big boards, Top fifty, Zach Selby, Fretzmoot,
Speaker 1: just the Guy Jason, and I give you our top
Speaker 1: fifty players and how these top fifty players.
Speaker 2: Fall in this trap. Make sure you check that out.
Speaker 2: It all starts right out.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft podcast, presented by Seek,
Speaker 1: the official primary taking partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm
Speaker 1: Logan Paulson here with the eclectic group of talent evaluators,
Speaker 1: Fred Smoot, Zach Selby, and Jess the guy Jason, who
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna start calling him? What'd you call
Speaker 1: it mel Kuiper last week?
Speaker 3: No, No, Jason Guiper, Jason.
Speaker 4: I think we're just a combine Jason Paulson, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: coming in.
Speaker 3: He came back a different guy.
Speaker 1: So I got in here at nine when we're all
Speaker 1: supposed to get here on time today, unlike the rest
Speaker 1: of you guys, and Jason.
Speaker 2: Was in here grinding tape at I.
Speaker 5: Got in a little early because I was looking at
Speaker 5: my list that we're gonna do. We're gonna do the
Speaker 5: top fifty on our personal big boards today and I
Speaker 5: was looking at it and I was like, is this right?
Speaker 5: So I just started pulling up film to see, Like.
Speaker 6: That's what telling evaluators do, all right, That's what you
Speaker 6: do anytime you have a feeling that something ain't right,
Speaker 6: you go back to the feed.
Speaker 7: Everything written in pencil until definitely exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is written in pencil. So as Jason said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do our we each did a big board today. Yep,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go through those in a little bit. But
Speaker 1: first we cannot escape the quarterback talk. Dunt dunt, duh.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different quarterback talk today though, right,
Speaker 1: because we got trades. We got Russell Wilson and Justin
Speaker 1: Fields to the Steelers, obviously Sam Howell to the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: So let's start with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, bringing Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson in and then adding Justin Fields for a six
Speaker 1: round pick. I know we were in our production meeting, Fred,
Speaker 1: you had some strong feelings about it, So why don't
Speaker 1: we start with.
Speaker 2: You yeah, and just kind of say you think it's
Speaker 2: a good move that they did.
Speaker 6: I think it's a great move. Now they don't have
Speaker 6: to trade up to get a quarterback. It's set of
Speaker 6: them at quarterback. They got two options. They got the
Speaker 6: veteran who won the Super Bowl already, who's trying to
Speaker 6: rebuild his career. They got the youngster who's trying to
Speaker 6: find himself that could be your future. Like I think
Speaker 6: in that quarterback room, they're set, and Russell might not
Speaker 6: start after.
Speaker 3: Week ten if things go downhill.
Speaker 6: But I think with Justin Fields, what they have there
Speaker 6: is a guy that you could easily pick up his
Speaker 6: fifth year option. He brings a lot to that offense.
Speaker 6: You got pickings on the outside, you got Washington and Title,
Speaker 6: you got guys fire tight, you have guys that you
Speaker 6: got a running game to protect him. I think Justin
Speaker 6: Field has been dealt the worst hand of any quarterback
Speaker 6: in his draft.
Speaker 3: He went to Chicago Bears coach got fired, and he.
Speaker 6: Had to learn the whole new office and now even
Speaker 6: had to learn another new offense. I'm glad with this
Speaker 6: new offense he gets to sit behind rush though and
Speaker 6: problem solved.
Speaker 3: While he figures out how to play in his offense.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's that if there's anything such as
Speaker 4: eatier and having it too, it's having Russell Wilson and
Speaker 4: Justin Fields because one Russe Wilson.
Speaker 7: Is not getting paid that much.
Speaker 4: So you can exercise Justin Fields fifth your opting if
Speaker 4: you really really want to and not have to have
Speaker 4: to go into a whole lot of cap space issues,
Speaker 4: and you can.
Speaker 7: You can let him learn.
Speaker 4: But also Justin Fields is a highly talented athlete. You
Speaker 4: can possibly even resign in a couple of years if
Speaker 4: you're really to want to, if you really think he's
Speaker 4: got the opportunity in the ability to do so. Now
Speaker 4: with Russ, like there's he's obviously not Seattle Russ anymore.
Speaker 4: Like that's very clearly, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's no longer
Speaker 4: he's not worth cooking what he needs to be cooking anymore.
Speaker 4: But I think he still has enough to kind of
Speaker 4: give you some as more of a transition maybe, yeah,
Speaker 4: but almost like he could be even a bridge quarterback
Speaker 4: now if you really need a quarterback.
Speaker 7: Exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, and I think he can win you some games,
Speaker 4: he can keep them competitive while also letting justin Field,
Speaker 4: sit back, and learn, because I still think he can
Speaker 4: do a lot of that early in his career because
Speaker 4: he's still got a lot of the things he can
Speaker 4: grow and develop in his in his skill set.
Speaker 6: And think about this Pittsburgh Cuffs playoff team with a
Speaker 6: quarterback that didn't throw ten touchs down, Like, so when
Speaker 6: you bring in Russell and you bring in Justin Fields,
Speaker 6: I think that makes you more dangerous at the quarterback position.
Speaker 6: And don't forget this is a team that puts all
Speaker 6: their money on the defensive side of the ball, So
Speaker 6: don't forget between the running game and the defense, which
Speaker 6: you have a quarterback starts we'll be protecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting though, Like you know, I think about
Speaker 1: it from a team building perspective, and is there like
Speaker 1: what's the value for Fields for the six round pick,
Speaker 1: especially because you do have to give him the franchise
Speaker 1: you do have to give him if your option right.
Speaker 1: And I do think like one of the reasons you
Speaker 1: draft a guy is because you kind of reset that
Speaker 1: quarterback clock. And I don't know, is the value worth
Speaker 1: it for a guy you're not going to really get
Speaker 1: a good read on because he's going to be the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, you're gonna have to make.
Speaker 2: A decision about his fifth year option.
Speaker 1: You're really just getting a rental for this one year
Speaker 1: of cost control Justin Fields, and then you're kind of
Speaker 1: back in the rat race of quarterback potentially because because
Speaker 1: obviously Russell Wilson will be up, Justin Fields will be up.
Speaker 1: So are they kind of lighting that six round pick
Speaker 1: on fire. And again, six round pick is not like
Speaker 1: a tremendous value. It is an interesting kind of thought
Speaker 1: experien I know a lot of people are very high
Speaker 1: in this move, but for me, it's like, you really
Speaker 1: just watch you a year and then you got to
Speaker 1: make a decision about to get to give him an extension.
Speaker 1: I guess you could go to the Green Bay route
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know, like you haven't played, we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you a We're gonna like renegotiate your contract
Speaker 1: structure to kind of something.
Speaker 2: Outside of that fifth year.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting, you know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the media are really high
Speaker 1: on it. When I talk to people around the NFL,
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, just In Fields, They're like, not like
Speaker 1: super geeked about the whole you know, what I'm saying, think.
Speaker 6: About this logan how much money out of spending in
Speaker 6: the quarterback room in Picksbury.
Speaker 1: Right, but they got us. What I'm saying is like
Speaker 1: you're you're buying yourself a year of quarterback points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then Rustles up, right, I'm assuming, and then Fields
Speaker 1: is up or you gotta make a decisionless with your
Speaker 1: Ruster and all of a sudden that room can become
Speaker 1: very expensive. And so that's the thing that I get
Speaker 1: is like, what are you actually getting from these decisions?
Speaker 1: I mean, you get Fields in the building, You get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to evaluate him and kind of see how
Speaker 1: he fits in your in the structure of your your building.
Speaker 1: But is that I don't know, is long term like
Speaker 1: what is like what's the play?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a low risk, high reward situation
Speaker 4: because I mean it is still I mean, all draft
Speaker 4: pics are important, but it is just a sixth ron
Speaker 4: pick at the end of the day. And if you
Speaker 4: potentially hit on Justin Fields, because we've seen what he
Speaker 4: can do, right, especially with his legs, and you've seen
Speaker 4: you've seen him kind of grow a little bit as
Speaker 4: a passer. If he continues that development and you're like, hey,
Speaker 4: we only got like a six.
Speaker 7: Front pick for this guy.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's great, And I think I think, I
Speaker 4: think if you feel like you can take that game,
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of teams would actually do
Speaker 4: that well.
Speaker 1: One of the things about that that I find really
Speaker 1: interesting also is like both of these guys are kind
Speaker 1: of outside the numbers throwers, right, they kind of create
Speaker 1: off schedule with their legs. And then this Arthur Smith offense, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they throw play action passes over the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, which justin fields doesn't do particularly well, which
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has not done very well. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it just seems like kind of a weird fit. And again,
Speaker 1: I do think there's value with the fields thing, because
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith and Marcus Merrio did a great job in
Speaker 1: Atlanta kind of elevating that rushing attack. And do you
Speaker 1: already alluded to this, like they're a team that's built
Speaker 1: on defense running the football, and if you get the
Speaker 1: quarterback out of cost effective number, then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in a good spot. But again, I don't I think
Speaker 1: they're basically my conclusion after looking at this is there
Speaker 1: gonna be in a quarterback. They're gonna have to make
Speaker 1: another decision on quarterback next year. They might have to
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback next year, and you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: extend one of these guys next year.
Speaker 3: Poulf a pound.
Speaker 6: Is it one of the best quarterback rooms in the league?
Speaker 6: Is it any one to two punch pot is stowing
Speaker 6: quarterback backup that compares to these like the I don't
Speaker 6: think I can think of as Kirking maybe behind a
Speaker 6: key down in Alta.
Speaker 1: I think everyone gets caught up with the name with
Speaker 1: fields is the game, man, I think like you got
Speaker 1: to think about what, like what's just just what's just
Speaker 1: transpired in terms of value for him? And I think
Speaker 1: if it was if it was another guy like, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, Joe Schmoe guy like, I think we'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they just moved a guy that no one's
Speaker 1: that exciting.
Speaker 6: But I think that's a lion Pole's problem because I
Speaker 6: think when he said we're gonna trade him and make
Speaker 6: it good, he dropped the value or to pick Dan
Speaker 6: because now I know.
Speaker 2: You haven't which may or may not be true, but yeah, but.
Speaker 6: I just feel like Dean, you set yourself up for failure.
Speaker 6: Because now I know you have to move this guy.
Speaker 6: You've made everybody understand that you're taking Caleb Williams number one.
Speaker 6: I'm not finna give you the I'm not finna give
Speaker 6: you a second round pick for Jason Field when I
Speaker 6: know you have to move them. So I think the
Speaker 6: Chicago Bears their self front office tied their hands on it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I think the other thing, too, is like, there's so
Speaker 4: many unknowns about what Russell Wilson is now that I
Speaker 4: can't really I can't have confidence late it's a pound
Speaker 4: for pound, a good year. Last year's a better year
Speaker 4: than he did the year before, but was still, like
Speaker 4: we said, he's not Seattle Russ anymore at all. I mean,
Speaker 4: and like you said, he could not be the startup
Speaker 4: by week ten or even sooner, honestly, So it's kind
Speaker 4: of hard for me to say that he's like, by
Speaker 4: far and away, like the best li option that you have.
Speaker 7: Plus justin Fields.
Speaker 5: Too, So we have a Steelers fan in the building
Speaker 5: and in turn, Caroline and one of the things she
Speaker 5: was saying when she came in was that the play
Speaker 5: for these guys doesn't necessarily match the name. The logan's
Speaker 5: point and The issue that she feels she's going to
Speaker 5: run into as a fan is a minute one struggles,
Speaker 5: you're gonna want the next ten and it's going to
Speaker 5: just be this constant like, well, who should be going
Speaker 5: back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, because
Speaker 5: there's no alpha right now there. But I really like
Speaker 5: Justin Fields, and I know I was texting with Logan
Speaker 5: about this, and for a six round flyer on Justin Fields?
Speaker 5: Why not? Because he was not great in Chicago to
Speaker 5: start out, got a little bit better, got better because
Speaker 5: the team was getting better, and now they're shipping them
Speaker 5: out when the team could be really good. So we
Speaker 5: don't know what Justin Fields could be. And coming over
Speaker 5: with Mike Tomlin and the defense that the Steelers have,
Speaker 5: and like you've said, Fred, they are ten pass not
Speaker 5: even ten touchdown passes and they're in the playoffs. Like
Speaker 5: he could be something here, and if he is for
Speaker 5: a six round pick, you struck gold. But if not,
Speaker 5: you are back in the quarterback hunt. But you're not
Speaker 5: in the quarterback hunt. But you're not in it this
Speaker 5: year because they're picking so far back their package. To
Speaker 5: have to trade up to get a quarterback in this
Speaker 5: draft would be so much more than the flyer for Field.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but like you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: make a decision on Justin Fields's salary. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: get see him play probably this year, like assuming Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson's is the starter, right, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: like it. Just I don't know he's in the building.
Speaker 1: I guess you get to kind of get a feel
Speaker 1: for the guy.
Speaker 5: Going to play.
Speaker 6: He's going to blink. I think he's going to play,
Speaker 6: like I think. I think it's a one hundred per
Speaker 6: cent think about it. They don't if they have a
Speaker 6: losing record, he's gonna play. If they have a renting
Speaker 6: record and Russ is not playing, whee they they go
Speaker 6: for a reason to put Jason stuff.
Speaker 2: You just I think about the stuff you just talked about.
Speaker 1: They're a defensive lead team that runs the football, and
Speaker 1: you asked Russ to make the occasional play, right, You're
Speaker 1: not going to get a true kind of read on
Speaker 1: where Russ is at because he's going to be so
Speaker 1: insulated by the team. And I think that's like, ultimately
Speaker 1: what I rest on is like he's not going to
Speaker 1: do enough bad stuff in that Arthur Smith offense, which
Speaker 1: again like if you have a quarterback that can move
Speaker 1: around a little bit, do the own read, do the
Speaker 1: keeper game, low leverage, easy like high completion like opportunity
Speaker 1: throws for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gonna be okay. So that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone talks about. You're saying the system, is
Speaker 1: the environment so good for fostering quarterback growth? Like how
Speaker 1: is he gonna screw it up enough?
Speaker 6: Because Justin Field would most definitely star at the year
Speaker 6: with a package. You know, they're not gonna have him
Speaker 6: as the better runner and not have a gold line
Speaker 6: justin Field package smart. It's gonna be like if you
Speaker 6: off as a coordinator, I have to whiponize your legs
Speaker 6: when you know, because think about it, I got these
Speaker 6: two quarterbacks in the buildings too, you know, established quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: To keep Justin Fields out on the prize, I have
Speaker 6: to put a package in for him to let him know,
Speaker 6: regardless if rush start, you're going to play almost every Yet.
Speaker 4: I'd be curious to know how big that package is
Speaker 4: going to be for Justin Field.
Speaker 7: And sprawl speculator, so you know when Arthur, when Arthur
Speaker 7: was in Tennessee and they had Tannehill and Mariota for
Speaker 7: that one year, Mario had a package.
Speaker 4: Well he was I think Marioda played for like three
Speaker 4: plays after he was benched, like it was not a
Speaker 4: hole and it's mostly red zone stuff.
Speaker 7: So I don't think that.
Speaker 4: To me, based on history, I don't think there's gonna
Speaker 4: be many plays for justin field, especially like what we
Speaker 4: know about Pittsburgh, they're always competitive and then they're never
Speaker 4: gonna do much is going to like screw them up
Speaker 4: as far as like draft is er game, the playoffs,
Speaker 4: like that's and that's exactly what you think is going
Speaker 4: to happen.
Speaker 7: Active with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5: Well, we don't think they're going to go undefeed, and
Speaker 5: we don't think they're going to be leading every single
Speaker 5: game that they're in. So at some point Russ is
Speaker 5: going to have to make a play and he's not
Speaker 5: going to do it, and that's when justin fields hits.
Speaker 1: But then I don't know, I think I think that's
Speaker 1: how it works, but I think no, But I think
Speaker 1: like I think there's there I don't know. It sounds
Speaker 1: like everyone in here is much higher on justin fields
Speaker 1: than I am, and I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's he's over the course of his time in Chicago,
Speaker 1: I think it's been romanticized to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: Hater, Like I think he's got talent, he's got ability,
Speaker 1: but in terms of playing the quarterback position consistently, he
Speaker 1: just hasn't done at a high level. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing that I come back to. It's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a guy who's very talented, our six round pick.
Speaker 2: I love that. But in terms of like what is
Speaker 2: he going to be this year for them? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: thinks maybe the backup quarterback, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I think, like, you're going to be in
Speaker 1: this position where it's like, hey, do we like him
Speaker 1: enough to extend him next year? And that's kind of
Speaker 1: the the player you're gonna run into it. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think he's ever gonna get back. I
Speaker 1: don't know it in to see if he ever gets
Speaker 1: back to being in that like starting kind of count, I.
Speaker 3: Think I think he is.
Speaker 6: I think he will have a legit chance to do this,
Speaker 6: and I think Pittsburgh is the perfect stop for him.
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh ain't one of those places where they just looking
Speaker 6: to replace everybody. They believe in continuity. And one thing
Speaker 6: that he will have at Stowing next year regards if
Speaker 6: he plays not or not, he would know the playbook.
Speaker 6: He'll be cheap all right. So at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, he will be the perfect mix for them.
Speaker 6: And if they see any growth at practice, any growth, he.
Speaker 4: Will be the staring quarterback next year because because Russell
Speaker 4: is only there for one year, and I think I
Speaker 4: think he would take a monumental balling out year for
Speaker 4: him to get an.
Speaker 7: Extension, Like I really do.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't, cause especially when you have a guy like
Speaker 4: in justin fields are they believe in you know you
Speaker 4: we hope and like you think that you can turn
Speaker 4: him into something even better. Four years old exactly, he's
Speaker 4: still so young. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm just sorry. It's just so much hope there. And that's.
Speaker 5: His Bonnicks.
Speaker 3: He's twenty five years olt.
Speaker 2: So where where did Canny Pickt go the Steelers?
Speaker 7: Did he just got Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: Philadelphia?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I don't able to play a gee.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So why are we all of
Speaker 2: a sudden.
Speaker 6: Pickett couldn't play last year, Like we're talking about a
Speaker 6: guy that shows.
Speaker 1: But I think, I think it's so interesting that when
Speaker 1: you look at completion percentage, throes of the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, Kenny Pickett is significantly better than Justin Fields
Speaker 1: and those statistical categories.
Speaker 5: But I have eyeballs he stinks.
Speaker 3: Kim Pickett stink.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, though, is in terms of production,
Speaker 1: everyone talks about how Justin.
Speaker 2: Field has improved. He's improved to like a bottom, Like
Speaker 2: I think he's a twenty fifth quarterback in the NFL
Speaker 2: in terms of those kind of advanced Kenny Pickett's thirty two. No,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying Kenny Pickett was better.
Speaker 1: So and again I'm not saying it's exactly a one
Speaker 1: for one, same situation, But people have this narrative about
Speaker 1: these two players because of the because of the excitement
Speaker 1: one brings as a runner, and I'm not again like
Speaker 1: that brings his ceiling and I get it, but like,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to keep him where he needs
Speaker 1: to be kept, you know what I'm saying, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: don't put these lofty expectations.
Speaker 2: He sells a lot of growth to do. And I
Speaker 2: do think Fred.
Speaker 1: You bring up a good point, he'll be in the building,
Speaker 1: he'll have an opportunity to grow, and then you never
Speaker 1: know what happens next year. But I just think there's
Speaker 1: this this romanticization.
Speaker 2: Whatever that word is.
Speaker 3: I would don't exist.
Speaker 4: We've also seen a year of what a canny picket
Speaker 4: let offense is. It's stale and stagnant. Is that we've seen,
Speaker 4: And justin Fields is can we all agree?
Speaker 3: Can we all agree?
Speaker 2: How do you characterize more?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: Is that thing?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: No, What I'm saying is, let's talk about each of
Speaker 6: these guys floor who floor is lower?
Speaker 3: And I will say Kenny Piketts whose ceiling is.
Speaker 6: Higher justin Fields because of the leagues, because he's on
Speaker 6: the stronger because I'm willing to invest a little bit
Speaker 6: more in him than I would the other project. Like
Speaker 6: Kenny Piggy has shown me flashes of nothing a good
Speaker 6: backup quarterback in his NFL. That's what Kenny pick.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Fields could be a starter with.
Speaker 3: The right coach?
Speaker 4: Ceiling is way higher with dustin Fields? I think your
Speaker 4: ceiling you almost damn you hit your ceiling with Candy Picking.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 5: So another team that needs a quarterback, right, the Vikings
Speaker 5: go ahead logan.
Speaker 3: Logo.
Speaker 5: No no, there's a lot of not commanders talk on it.
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: But I think that's I think that's good. I think
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 1: It's good for the Commanders to think about to right
Speaker 1: in terms of quarterback decisions, because like, there is an
Speaker 1: opportunity here with the Vikings right where it's like the
Speaker 1: Vikings have traded up with the Houston Texans. They've got
Speaker 1: eleven and twenty three is correct, right, So obviously they're
Speaker 1: packaging something to move up in the draft. And I
Speaker 1: think a team that they could potentially move up with
Speaker 1: is the Commanders. And I think the Pittsburgh Steeler conversation
Speaker 1: is important because one of the things they're going through
Speaker 1: right now is this quarterback limbo. Right and right now,
Speaker 1: the Commanders have an opportunity to pick a quarterback, but
Speaker 1: they could also trade back and crew more picks developed
Speaker 1: the team. And I just like for the Vikings who
Speaker 1: are in this kind of desperation mode to find a
Speaker 1: quarterback after Kirk Cousins leave, what do you think their
Speaker 1: play is here? And who do you think would trade
Speaker 1: with them given the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think the Commanders are that they could
Speaker 4: be in play for sure, because I mean, draft capital
Speaker 4: is so import especially in this draft w it's so
Speaker 4: top heavy, and you can still get if you really
Speaker 4: want to get J. J. McCarthy, or you want to
Speaker 4: get like O Nicks or any the other guys, you
Speaker 4: could get those at eleven or twenty three. The Cardinals
Speaker 4: are also I could also see them moving up. With
Speaker 4: the Cardinals because they have Kyler Murray and I don't
Speaker 4: think they're going to move on from him.
Speaker 7: At least this year.
Speaker 3: They will. Harrison, I don't think they've moved.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I agree, But at the same time,
Speaker 4: like draft picks, that matters. So I do think, like
Speaker 4: Amy were in that top five, I think it's very
Speaker 4: well possible that they could move up and try to
Speaker 4: get somebody there.
Speaker 3: First of all, number five is the golden pick that
Speaker 3: they're looking for.
Speaker 6: You talking about the LA Chargers and you're talking about
Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh got it wants to add more cheap talent,
Speaker 6: young talented team that he could shape and mold, and
Speaker 6: you're giving him the number five PI you take the
Speaker 6: number eleven pick, you still can get Brock Bowels hit
Speaker 6: number eleven if you Hogebo. Now you still got the
Speaker 6: twenty third pick. Now you can ask you offensive tackle
Speaker 6: like you can do so much if you the charges
Speaker 6: right there. I think the golden pick right there is
Speaker 6: the Charges. It's not the Washington Commanders because we are
Speaker 6: quarterback home Gry team. When now look at the quarterback
Speaker 6: of Home the team that's not Home Greyen. Now the
Speaker 6: Chargers stick out because they got Justin Herbert. So I
Speaker 6: think that's the golden pick right there at number five.
Speaker 2: So for me, I think I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really nice trade up spot.
Speaker 1: But the problem that I have with that is, like
Speaker 1: you are trading up if you go, what is that
Speaker 1: five or six there at six right five?
Speaker 2: Day at five five, you're trading for the fourth quarterback.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're trading up for jj Orboda whoever it is, right
Speaker 1: and I and I don't think you packaged three first
Speaker 1: round picks to get the trade up for the fourth guy.
Speaker 6: Where you do if you feel like next year's quarterback
Speaker 6: draft is not this year's quarterback draft, Like you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, It's like they.
Speaker 3: Pay people panic people make panic move but.
Speaker 1: I think if I'm if I'm them, I want to
Speaker 1: give myself the like I think, I look at San
Speaker 1: Francisco a couple of San Francisco the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: couple years ago as the model, like where they traded
Speaker 1: up to two or trade up to three to get
Speaker 1: the second guy, and I think, like, that's ultimately like
Speaker 1: what you're looking at here, right, It's like how high
Speaker 1: can I get to ensure that I get the most
Speaker 1: valuable player at the position.
Speaker 2: That I'm looking for? Right?
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like boxed into the fourth player.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Totally understand.
Speaker 6: But then it has to be a New England trade
Speaker 6: because they feel like they got too many holes to
Speaker 6: just throw a quarterback up in there.
Speaker 2: And I think that's to me, that would be the move.
Speaker 5: True for here too. I feel like we do have
Speaker 5: a lot of holes that we're filling in free agency,
Speaker 5: but we're still in team building mode to me, unless
Speaker 5: you're if you're two or three with or four?
Speaker 3: Yeah, four is Arizona, Arizona.
Speaker 2: You're not four, so fun, But Arizona I think could
Speaker 2: trade out too.
Speaker 3: But well, I say three or five is the Golden locks.
Speaker 5: Right, if you're not falling in love with whoever that
Speaker 5: pick is going to be, whoever that quarterback is going
Speaker 5: to be, then back up, like why not?
Speaker 2: Like you?
Speaker 5: In my opinion, you have to be in love with
Speaker 5: either Drake may or Jena Daniels or JJ McCarthy to
Speaker 5: not move back.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing. JJ is who everybody's following in
Speaker 6: love with. He's the odd man out of the top three.
Speaker 6: Talk he's like, think about the Tour Draft, think about
Speaker 6: the Joe Burrow Draft. That draft right there, you could
Speaker 6: get a good quarterback and you didn't have to be
Speaker 6: at number one like this. The thing is, I think
Speaker 6: people feel like, from Cayleb Williams to Michael Pennix, anybody,
Speaker 6: I feel like these guys, if they get with the
Speaker 6: right team, right coach, in white situation, then all these
Speaker 6: guys could secede in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Do you feel that way? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But if that's true, then why don't you just stand
Speaker 2: picking a up?
Speaker 3: Yea?
Speaker 7: Because I think JJ will be there at eleven.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: But to Freend's point, BO or Pennix or JJ potentially
Speaker 1: like it's not outside their own possibility, but one of
Speaker 1: those three dudes will be there at eleven. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so if you think that's true of all those guys,
Speaker 1: then you don't need to package that twenty third pick
Speaker 1: to move up. But it does feel like that they've
Speaker 1: kind of identified a talent and from you know, the
Speaker 1: rumor mill given. You know, give that the due credit,
Speaker 1: you know it deserves it. Like I don't know all
Speaker 1: the yes, all the asterisks possible, Like they say they
Speaker 1: want Drake May.
Speaker 2: So if you want Drake May, you got to come
Speaker 2: to two. You got to you got to come to two.
Speaker 2: And I think like that's as much as we want
Speaker 2: to talk about, not.
Speaker 3: Three, not three, because everybody's saying to ensure it, you
Speaker 3: have to get there.
Speaker 5: You have to hope that commanders take.
Speaker 6: But a consolation prize of jayde Daniels is not that bad,
Speaker 6: you know, if you if you get to three, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying no, and I think we're all saying the same
Speaker 2: thing here.
Speaker 1: But I guess for me, if they want to get
Speaker 1: all the way up to that to their guy apparently
Speaker 1: is Drake May, you got to get to two. And
Speaker 1: so I think for the commanders it's really interesting because,
Speaker 1: like I look at teams that have been very successful
Speaker 1: of the last couple of years, and you know they've
Speaker 1: there's two models. One is you have Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: or Josh Allen. The other model is either the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers or the Philadelphia Eagles before they
Speaker 1: paid Jalen Hurts, right, where the team is so saturated
Speaker 1: with talent that they can support and insulate and protect
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Right, It's kind of the same thing we're
Speaker 1: talking about Pittsburgh. Is it worth it to build that
Speaker 1: kind of like quote unquote super team and then just
Speaker 1: be able to put kind of whoever you want in there,
Speaker 1: Put justin fields, put Kenny pick at, guys that aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily top flight players but are elevated.
Speaker 2: By the roster in good point calling. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: And I think when you look at the history of
Speaker 2: that elite quarterback guy, anybody who doesn't have the elite guy.
Speaker 2: So if you're Peyton.
Speaker 1: Manning, you're looking at your outside looking in a lot
Speaker 1: of years, Aaron Rodgers outside looking at a lot of years.
Speaker 1: When you're looking at this group with Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 1: you've got Josh Allen looking in, Joe Burrow looking in, like,
Speaker 1: is it better? Is a more viable option to get
Speaker 1: you to a super Bowl in five years? Build up
Speaker 1: the roster so that you can't lose that last game
Speaker 1: and you give yourself a shot against the best player
Speaker 1: in football. Like that, That's what I come to here,
Speaker 1: and like that's essentially the argument you're having in terms
Speaker 1: of how to build this thing out, Like do you
Speaker 1: think Drake may or Jane Daniels or even Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: can be a top five player at the position, because
Speaker 1: then the roster is less important. If you don't believe that,
Speaker 1: then the roster has to elevate to elevate that position.
Speaker 5: Let me give you all a hypothetical and give me
Speaker 5: your percentage and the chance that something like this could happen.
Speaker 5: Let's say the Vikings want to move up to two
Speaker 5: with us, so we trade back. We trade back to eleven.
Speaker 5: We grab their eleventh pick, their twenty third that they
Speaker 5: just got from the Texans, We grab their second round
Speaker 5: in a first round. It's probably what it's going to take. Ye,
Speaker 5: that's a lot, right, But we still want a quarterback.
Speaker 5: Let's say we're happy with the fourth guy whoever that is, Yeah,
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy Bonix. The Chargers want to move back, so
Speaker 5: we move from the eleven back up using some of
Speaker 5: the capital, not all of it that we just got.
Speaker 5: So now you're getting a starting quarterback at five that
Speaker 5: you're happy with, and you still have a nice haul
Speaker 5: of picks, complete built, complete building this roster. That feels
Speaker 5: like a lot, right, Like everybody has to be willing
Speaker 5: partners in this, Like we can't just madenforce trade this,
Speaker 5: but that feels like something possible.
Speaker 6: Fluid draft day is possible. A fluid a day'll come
Speaker 6: in and say, you know what, we got to pose
Speaker 6: the field. Let's manipulate the draft in our own way.
Speaker 6: If you manipulate the draft by going down and coming
Speaker 6: back up. Now you got the pedal to the metal
Speaker 6: at that time. First of all, you understood that the
Speaker 6: second and the fourth quarterback are not that different. That's
Speaker 6: what you're saying. Like in your eyes, you're saying that
Speaker 6: these guys are really jumbled together. So it don't matter
Speaker 6: which one of these guys I get. I want more players,
Speaker 6: all right, So it's all about what who is that
Speaker 6: second person in the first round that you just I
Speaker 6: gotta have.
Speaker 3: Is it a lot too a lot to the past Russia?
Speaker 3: Or is it verse? Is it a tackle?
Speaker 6: Like who is making you force your hand to do this?
Speaker 6: To say, you know what, I need both of these
Speaker 6: guys and the only way to get them is to
Speaker 6: trade out of the top two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that's a that's a great point.
Speaker 1: And like, honestly, I think when you like sit down
Speaker 1: and parcel it out, I don't know if there is
Speaker 1: that big of a discrepancy between you know, the third
Speaker 1: guy and the fourth guy, like it's it's situation dependent
Speaker 1: for sure. But if you could add again, like on
Speaker 1: a roster right now, that is kind of re retooling, rebuilding,
Speaker 1: whatever do you want to use there. I do think
Speaker 1: the extra draft capital would be extremely valuable, and especially
Speaker 1: if you think that again, like this is what you
Speaker 1: have to think as an evaluator.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm.
Speaker 1: There yet, but that Jade, there's not that big of
Speaker 1: a difference between JJ and Drake May. And there are
Speaker 1: some people like you can find them look on the
Speaker 1: internet and you can find them anywhere and they'll give
Speaker 1: you that they'll say that that's how they feel about
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Obviously Minnesota doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 4: So I do think you're kind of expediting your your
Speaker 4: team building if you kind of do both of those
Speaker 4: that you trade down in trade beck up, Because yeah,
Speaker 4: you are also because like you said, this team does
Speaker 4: have a lot of holes even though they've been added
Speaker 4: about a billion players in free and so they still
Speaker 4: need a whole lot of other key players there. But
Speaker 4: you also if you can trade back up and get
Speaker 4: a guy that maybe isn't didn't have as high a sealer,
Speaker 4: isn't as talented as maybe some other guys out there,
Speaker 4: like you still and you feel like you still win
Speaker 4: with them, Like I feel like that's definitely a possibility,
Speaker 4: especially if you feel like you can know a bit
Speaker 4: the roster around them too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Onder, but I really feel good about what Peters is
Speaker 6: doing for to me, he's peeling the onions slowly.
Speaker 3: He bringing all these free agents to build a roster.
Speaker 6: Then he drafts and over the years he lets the
Speaker 6: free agents go and replaces them with draft picks, and
Speaker 6: that's how he builds his team. So we had to
Speaker 6: have this big flurry to get these guys on his roster,
Speaker 6: and he bringing in guys this x first rounders and
Speaker 6: guys that you know what, if they do catch fire,
Speaker 6: I found this diamond in the rough.
Speaker 3: So I like the slow.
Speaker 6: Progression that he's doing, but it's to me, it's still
Speaker 6: pedal to the metal, Like it's not slow building. To me,
Speaker 6: he's fast cooking in the crock pot. But he also
Speaker 6: understands where he wants to get to. And that's a
Speaker 6: draft laden team build by the draft, but this year
Speaker 6: it had.
Speaker 3: To be built through free agency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that real quick.
Speaker 1: So obviously one of the moves they made was they
Speaker 1: moved on from Sam Howell and they acquired fourth round
Speaker 1: the third round pick, yes seventy years there ago. I
Speaker 1: was reading my It's trung, So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about that real quick because you got, like fred
Speaker 1: Ya hit that perfectly right. He's trying to kind of
Speaker 1: lay the foundation with some good leadership, some older players,
Speaker 1: not long term solutions, and then build through the draft.
Speaker 1: I talent through the draft, I guess the way to
Speaker 1: put that. And so how do you feel about this
Speaker 1: moving on from Sam Howell for the acquisition of draft capital,
Speaker 1: especially in the top one hundred of this draft.
Speaker 6: I think your hand with force, because you know you're
Speaker 6: bringing in a young quarterback. I can't have young teaching
Speaker 6: the young, blind leading the blind. I need a veteran
Speaker 6: in here to help coach and help more support this
Speaker 6: young guy. I was shocked that Sam got so much
Speaker 6: more than a jesting Fields. I was very shocked at
Speaker 6: his quiety, his worth. But then I thought about it.
Speaker 6: Seattle was in love with Sam out of the draft.
Speaker 6: They wanted him. Then he didn't do no better than
Speaker 6: he went up there in the game and lit him up.
Speaker 6: So yes, I think they looked at him as a
Speaker 6: viable starter, like I think they traded with a purpose
Speaker 6: for Sam, like I think everybody else thinks he just
Speaker 6: Gino schmilts back up. I think Seattle is looking at
Speaker 6: Sam like he's our future. Like, don't forget Matt Hasselback
Speaker 6: came to Seattle in the same similar fashion, and if
Speaker 6: you look at his skill set is very met hassle Beck.
Speaker 6: Like I think they browse Sam there for a reason.
Speaker 6: I think Sam is their future story.
Speaker 1: So I think that so interesting because like the Justin
Speaker 1: Fields thing, comparison to Sam, how I think is really viable.
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to point out here
Speaker 1: is Sam is under contract. He's price controlled for the
Speaker 1: next three years, right, Yeah, And I think that's the
Speaker 1: one thing with Justin Fields that I keep coming back
Speaker 1: to again. I think Justin Fields is a dynamic player.
Speaker 1: I really do like he's a talent, right, but he's
Speaker 1: not price controlled after this year, and so you're going
Speaker 1: to have to either extend him.
Speaker 3: Or move on from him.
Speaker 1: And with Seattle, the value is the talent that Sam presents,
Speaker 1: but also that he's under a rookie deal for the
Speaker 1: next three years.
Speaker 6: You know that you got the leverage on Justin Fields
Speaker 6: because you have had this rocky story, Like, I don't
Speaker 6: have to pay you top of the market.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the concern if you're like if
Speaker 1: you're Chicago, for example, Like let's just say, like if
Speaker 1: they didn't trade him, you have to make a decision
Speaker 1: about him financially. Let's say they were to keep him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in In you know forty what is that twelve months basically, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that when you look at it from
Speaker 1: that perspective, you might not need.
Speaker 2: To pay him top of the dollar, top of the
Speaker 2: market value.
Speaker 1: But a quarterback is expensive and I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: you could get him cheap, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: so that's so that that's why in this situation moving Sam,
Speaker 1: he's price controlled value. There you can be in your system.
Speaker 1: You can protect him, you can insulate him, you can
Speaker 1: foster him, you can grow him. Unlike Justin who is
Speaker 1: there for a year and then you've got to make
Speaker 1: make a contract decision.
Speaker 7: Well no, and don't forget they have to make a
Speaker 7: decision on that fifth year in like two months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's in the fifth year. Don't you
Speaker 3: worry about that? Now?
Speaker 6: What they will do is do a clean sleep Keen
Speaker 6: slate deal, just a short deal, two to three year deal.
Speaker 2: Like trying to get him on an extension.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think Pittsburgh understand as long as he's
Speaker 6: in the buildings a to us to let him out.
Speaker 7: Count down the Packers there with Jordan love Ye, I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to say, it's up to us to let him out.
Speaker 6: But we got him now and we'll be best in
Speaker 6: line to negotiate with him because especially if we don't
Speaker 6: play him, like if we don't play him in Russ plays,
Speaker 6: how easy is it going to be to negotiate with
Speaker 6: Jason fields as a store in quarterback. It's gonna be
Speaker 6: very easy.
Speaker 2: It'd be really astuted to see. But yeah, I do
Speaker 2: think that.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons you see the
Speaker 1: discrepancy there in value. So let's talk about some Washington footballer.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Jason, Yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 1: good idea. We're going to do our top fifties on
Speaker 1: our big boards. Each of us is going to go
Speaker 1: through and give them. So here's Washington's first six.
Speaker 5: Picks in the draft and why the top fifty is
Speaker 5: important here for our listeners. So we have a first
Speaker 5: round number two overall, we have the number thirty six,
Speaker 5: the number forty from Chicago that was the Montes Sweat trade.
Speaker 5: We have the sixty seventh trade. We have this seventy
Speaker 5: eighth sixty seventh pick, seventy eighth pick from Seattle that's
Speaker 5: from Sam Howe. And then we have the number one
Speaker 5: hundred from San Francisco that was Chase Young.
Speaker 2: Chase Young.
Speaker 5: So when we do these top fifties, good chance some
Speaker 5: of these players might be here on the Washington roster.
Speaker 2: A very good chance, very very good chance. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the point of this exercise is to show that
Speaker 5: for every single talent evaluator from somebody that really grinds it,
Speaker 5: like Logan, former players like Fred, a staff writer like Zach,
Speaker 5: and just a guy like me, that we all value
Speaker 5: things differently and how the player falls on our big
Speaker 5: board is different than how we think they will be drafted.
Speaker 5: That is a very clear something I need to say,
Speaker 5: very clearly, right, this is not the order we think
Speaker 5: they're going to go in the draft. This is just
Speaker 5: how we personally rank these players, no doubt, very very
Speaker 5: important to keep in mind. We'll ever fans get all there.
Speaker 4: This is the first time like i'd ever like made
Speaker 4: a big board. So I was looking for like some inspiration,
Speaker 4: you know, and the time that I was looking at
Speaker 4: and like everyone's i'd YoY on. It is completely I
Speaker 4: mean I've seen somewhere they value all the quarterbacks in
Speaker 4: like the top ten, some some similar, a little more,
Speaker 4: a little more spread out. Like it's it's it's almost
Speaker 4: like you know, you mad drafts are kind of eventually
Speaker 4: all everyone kind of picks.
Speaker 7: The same people at some point. Yeah, it gets closed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but big boards, it's like it's like in
Speaker 4: Jurassic Park when they're trying to like close the doors
Speaker 4: for the velocirapher get then it's like a sea of data.
Speaker 7: That's exactly what big boards are like, cause they're all different.
Speaker 5: Right, exactly. So that's a good place to start, Zach,
Speaker 5: why don't you tell us what how did you craft
Speaker 5: your big board? What did what were the things that
Speaker 5: you were thinking about when it's like why this guy
Speaker 5: over this guy?
Speaker 4: Well, so essentially what I was doing was I was
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure because out I will say, okay,
Speaker 4: who who are you go at the top? Who the
Speaker 4: guys are thinking at the bottom, and who are some
Speaker 4: guys I think are kind of in the middle, right,
Speaker 4: And so I would separate it by fives, so I
Speaker 4: would go these are top five, these are bottom five,
Speaker 4: and then I worked down from there and eventually, you know,
Speaker 4: I would I come up. I'm kind of almost like
Speaker 4: a scatter point thing, right, I'd to say, all right,
Speaker 4: this guy goes here, this guy goes here. And then
Speaker 4: as the more players I got on there like well,
Speaker 4: actually I think this player goes above, or I think
Speaker 4: this guy goes a couple of couples posts below, and
Speaker 4: then obviously some guys like hey, I don't really know
Speaker 4: that too much about him. So let me watch some
Speaker 4: film on him, let me like do some little bit
Speaker 4: of reading under see where he goes. And I think, oh,
Speaker 4: like he goes a little bit higher.
Speaker 7: Maybe a little bit lower. So it was definitely an
Speaker 7: interesting exercise to do for sure.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm curiously which I'll think about it,
Speaker 4: but I think I've got a pretty solid obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: as a former offensive lineman, Like, I've got a lot
Speaker 4: of offensive linemen on my board, which is also good
Speaker 4: because this year's draft has a lot of good ones
Speaker 4: on there. But I'll say there's a lot of edge
Speaker 4: players out there that I really like, a lot of
Speaker 4: receivers obviously, the quarterbacks are stuff around there in the
Speaker 4: top twenty. So but yeah, I'm, like I said, I'm
Speaker 4: very curious.
Speaker 7: See how everyone's going to react to this?
Speaker 5: Do you make curious?
Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, I go like, kind of what
Speaker 1: I think is like a surefire prospect or as close
Speaker 1: to surefire as you're going to get. So I have
Speaker 1: like a group of like one to four at the
Speaker 1: top of my thing, and then I go kind of, well,
Speaker 1: who has who are like high floor players that I
Speaker 1: think are going to be good pros, like right out
Speaker 1: the gate, and I've got between five and fourteen are
Speaker 1: those kind of that chunk of players, and you know,
Speaker 1: like obviously there's some flex there, like as the process
Speaker 1: goes on, I might add one to the top group
Speaker 1: or take one away or whatever it is. And then
Speaker 1: there's like kind of the guys that I think are
Speaker 1: potentially like home run players, but there's a question with
Speaker 1: their game, you know, like there's an issue with the evaluation.
Speaker 1: They all have issues, but there's like pretty glaring questions.
Speaker 1: Like just as an example, fifteen to twenty three, I've
Speaker 1: got JJ McCarthy in there because I think.
Speaker 2: His ceiling's very high.
Speaker 1: I think he's very, very talented, but you know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't thrown the ball ton, so I don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: right And then I've got kind of like guys that
Speaker 1: I think it'd be solid, like solid starters at the
Speaker 1: NFL level, but there's more questions as you go down
Speaker 1: the list, there's more questions, and I try to clump
Speaker 1: them together in a way that kind of meets my brain.
Speaker 2: Function, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like from twenty four to forty, kind of guys
Speaker 1: that I think are going to be good players in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And then guys that I think forty one
Speaker 1: to fifty that I think are talented that right now
Speaker 1: probably aren't starters, but I think have the work ethic,
Speaker 1: the physical profile to be something more.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I broke it up. And
Speaker 2: it just kind of gets down the list.
Speaker 1: So as you go down the list, there's just more
Speaker 1: and more questions about a player, and as you go
Speaker 1: up to the top there should be fewer and fewer,
Speaker 1: especially from the film, which is our evaluation tools. That's
Speaker 1: kind of my my process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my first big board too, and I
Speaker 2: think I want to say sorry for is every year
Speaker 2: I do this, I'm always like, this is the most
Speaker 2: subjective thing of all time.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, yea, every year I do it. That's exactly
Speaker 5: what I was going to say. This is completely subjective
Speaker 5: when I was making my big board, because I wanted
Speaker 5: to be true to myself and what I saw, and
Speaker 5: like it was hard for me not to get pulled
Speaker 5: to like what Daniel Jeremiah sets or what PFF says
Speaker 5: because I look at their boards to be like, am
Speaker 5: I like way off basic? And every now and then
Speaker 5: I would be and I'm like I had to fight it,
Speaker 5: and a part of me was like, well is it
Speaker 5: confirmation bias? And I'm fighting So it's just an internal
Speaker 5: struggle to make this.
Speaker 4: Look it's looking at a piece of art like there's
Speaker 4: technically no wrong answer, but there's also like, clearly you're
Speaker 4: off base.
Speaker 7: Why certain thing?
Speaker 4: If Kayla Williams is like my tenth best player, like
Speaker 4: what like I can't even like take that serious, right?
Speaker 5: So what I what I did to try and mesh
Speaker 5: these two this conflict that I was emotionally having with
Speaker 5: this was I tried to do like a tier system,
Speaker 5: right basically, first, like, these are guys that I think
Speaker 5: are going to be very good players, maybe not right away,
Speaker 5: but they have the ceiling to be very good players
Speaker 5: with little downside, so high floor, high ceiling, right kind
Speaker 5: of thing. And then then I would put in the
Speaker 5: tiers of like, well, the home run hitters could be
Speaker 5: in here, or they could not fan out, or they
Speaker 5: could be solid. It's it's kind of that middle group.
Speaker 5: And then guys that like show a trait or a
Speaker 5: couple of traits that are like wow, if that hits,
Speaker 5: that's good, or they have a lot of good things
Speaker 5: and there's one glaring trait, like you said, Logan weird.
Speaker 5: It's like, maybe that doesn't work out. And then once
Speaker 5: I made those tiers where they're in no particular order,
Speaker 5: then I went in and I just like, I just
Speaker 5: trusted myself. I was like, based on if I was
Speaker 5: having to take this guy or this guy, who would
Speaker 5: I take? Everything equal, not looking at how a team
Speaker 5: structured Alex Pitcher anything, just who would I take? And
Speaker 5: I had to go back to the film a lot
Speaker 5: because I would look at two guys next to each
Speaker 5: other be like, why do I like you more than
Speaker 5: the other? And I couldn't answer that except kind of dead.
Speaker 5: So I had to go back and rewatch it. And
Speaker 5: that's what I was doing this morning. I had to
Speaker 5: rewatch some stuff just to feel confident about this.
Speaker 7: And Fred, and to that point, I literally just made
Speaker 7: a change.
Speaker 5: Yeah there, you know this is going to be ever flowing,
Speaker 5: ever flowing our big boards? Fred, how did you create
Speaker 5: your big board? I try to look at guys and
Speaker 5: I do tears, like you said, I do my tears.
Speaker 5: I do who do I think could be a future
Speaker 5: pro bowler?
Speaker 3: Superstar?
Speaker 6: I do Who's going to be a Day one starter,
Speaker 6: who could develop into a starter, and who is pretty
Speaker 6: much probably gonna be a backup.
Speaker 3: All right, So we know this, and I think this
Speaker 3: is what really blows the draft away.
Speaker 6: No matter how close we get to getting these picks right,
Speaker 6: all these players won't be good in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the scared report about it.
Speaker 6: No matter how good they measure, no matter how good
Speaker 6: they look at the combine, no matter how good the
Speaker 6: film look, all of these guys will not be good pros.
Speaker 3: So I try to group guys together. And when I
Speaker 3: start to do that, I create a tree.
Speaker 6: And once I started at the top of the tree
Speaker 6: with my Caleb Williams the start of the tree, and
Speaker 6: I get to the bottom of it, and it'll lay
Speaker 6: these guys out. So I just lump them together and
Speaker 6: make sure I try to I try to look at it,
Speaker 6: not what you did in college. How's it gonna translate
Speaker 6: to the NFL. And a lot of this, and I
Speaker 6: hate to say, it has everything to do about where
Speaker 6: these guys get drafted in It's kind of out of
Speaker 6: their hand because you could be a good player to
Speaker 6: get drafted in Chicago and you got a new head
Speaker 6: coach next year. Like, so it's so many variables in
Speaker 6: this so I try to be as fair as possible,
Speaker 6: but also try I keep my feet on the ground
Speaker 6: and understand that all these guys won't be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. So here's how we're gonna do this process. We're
Speaker 5: gonna count down from fifty to one, and uh, we're
Speaker 5: just gonna fred you can start. Then it will be Logan,
Speaker 5: so be me, and then the next time we'll talk about, hey,
Speaker 5: what are some surprises where you see here?
Speaker 3: What's a guy that sticks out to you here? Next
Speaker 3: started out with oh, stat.
Speaker 5: Is that concernative? All right, So that's where we're gonna Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're gonna go fifty to thirty six, so roll right
Speaker 5: on through.
Speaker 4: So okay, so fifty I got Xavier Worthy Robins, You're
Speaker 4: out of Texas forty nine, Patrick Paul Tackle out of Houston,
Speaker 4: forty eight, Jordan Morgan tackle out of Arizona, Marshall Neelan
Speaker 4: Edge Western Michigan forty six, Roman Wilson Robinsteriver, Michigan forty five,
Speaker 4: Ricky Piersoll from Florida, Kean Coleman from FSU, Cooper Baybay
Speaker 4: from Kansas State, Uh, Devandre Sweat Texas to Tavian Sanders
Speaker 4: from Texas, Brandon Fisk from FSU. There's Zach Frazer from
Speaker 4: West Virginia at Drian cooper A and m Troy Franklin
Speaker 4: from Michigan from Oregon, and then kool A McKinstry from Alabama.
Speaker 1: Nice, very nice. Yeah, yeah, so a little surprised. I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised. I shouldn't be surprised. I actually forgot to
Speaker 1: put Cooper Bebe in my list. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: I think is really talented on the inside playing guard.
Speaker 1: How did you come to him? Like being in your
Speaker 1: top fifty and like what was the thing that was like?
Speaker 2: This is the guy?
Speaker 4: I think his footwork is really really good. I think
Speaker 4: he's like I'm just so in love with what he pulls,
Speaker 4: Like it's.
Speaker 2: It's you mentioned the poll in the last show. Its
Speaker 2: like there's nothing there's more to playing guard than pulling.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's so gorgeous. I know, I know, but
Speaker 7: like it's such a good I like him too.
Speaker 4: He's very physical, he finished his blocks like, uh, he's
Speaker 4: on film. Like when I watch him, I think I
Speaker 4: just smile every time I watch him, because like, I
Speaker 4: just think that's a damn good rep. Every time I
Speaker 4: see him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a heck of a football playing when
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this when I talked to some
Speaker 1: people at the Combine Molo line coaches, they were like,
Speaker 1: he's it was like, you know the guys you think
Speaker 1: it was like Troy uh Fatano and all these guys,
Speaker 1: but then and like Grant Barton, and then it was
Speaker 1: like Cooper Beabay was the third guy. You know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like Christian Haynes. It was he was very very
Speaker 1: high people sowards. The other guy was Sanders from Texas
Speaker 1: to tight end making your top fifty.
Speaker 4: Why I think his ability as a receiver is obviously
Speaker 4: is really what I'm hoping for. Right He still needs
Speaker 4: to really work on his blocking, I would say, but
Speaker 4: I think in today's NFL, I think you kind of
Speaker 4: want you especially not as a number one tight end.
Speaker 4: I think you can you can work with him as
Speaker 4: a receiver and kind of let him develop as a
Speaker 4: blocker in time, I think, which is why he's not
Speaker 4: like he's still kind of.
Speaker 7: Sort of low on the fun of fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was he what was your number one. I
Speaker 2: think he was forty one forty one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so I think I like, I like the
Speaker 7: potential of what he could be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, it's interesting because like all these tight ends,
Speaker 1: even even what's his name block bowers to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: like what is your role at the next level? Like
Speaker 1: because you're not like he didn't run as well as
Speaker 1: I was hoping Sanders didn't run as well as I
Speaker 1: was hoping. You're on like a four six nine four
Speaker 1: seven one. Yeah, so like you're not like a blazing
Speaker 1: fast guy. Are you a big slot because you can't
Speaker 1: really compete in line? Like what's your usage pattern? And
Speaker 1: I think that's what's scaring me off of guys like
Speaker 1: that in my top fifty obviously block buyers in my
Speaker 1: top fifty spoiler alert, But it makes me a little
Speaker 1: bit unsure, is like, how do teams use you when
Speaker 1: there are so many talented receivers that have different skill sets?
Speaker 1: Like what I prefer him or Johnny Wilson to play
Speaker 1: the big slot, you know, just as a comparison, I
Speaker 1: get Johnny Wilson probably in the fourth round, maybe third round,
Speaker 1: depending on how you value him. But it just makes
Speaker 1: me think for the value of the pick in terms
Speaker 1: of big slot player that can run a full route tree.
Speaker 1: There's other guys like that that I may be like
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Jase, you want to go through
Speaker 1: your fifty.
Speaker 5: Yeah I can. I want to say Zach that what
Speaker 5: I think is interesting is the wide receivers. Obviously, there
Speaker 5: are a lot of good wide receivers in this class.
Speaker 5: And I'm just curious on the back end here of
Speaker 5: our top fifty, who's going to make the cut for
Speaker 5: each of us individually, Because I have a lot of
Speaker 5: wide receivers. They're not the same as yours. Here is
Speaker 5: not the same as mine. There are a couple of overlaps,
Speaker 5: and it's just the wide receiver talk to me, is
Speaker 5: just going to be really interesting once I hear what
Speaker 5: Fred and Logan also have to say. But we agreed
Speaker 5: on number fifty because I started with Xavier Worthy from
Speaker 5: Texas to surprise the speedster. Yeah, he just snuck in.
Speaker 5: It's the forty. The forty pushed him in. I'm still
Speaker 5: concerned about his route running, the ability he's small with right,
Speaker 5: but yes, but there's something to that speed. It can
Speaker 5: be used and the whole Tank Dell thing kind of
Speaker 5: like throws a monkey wrench into evaluations. It can be good,
Speaker 5: all right. I have Ennis Reckchell Junior, the cornerback from
Speaker 5: Zer at forty nine, Patrick Paul the tackle from Houston.
Speaker 5: At forty eight. Jarvis Brownlee Junior, a guy I fell
Speaker 5: in love with at the Senior Bowl and just have
Speaker 5: been impressed with ever since. He's a cornerback from Louisville.
Speaker 5: Eighty Mitchell the wide receiver from Texas. Forty six, Devandre
Speaker 5: Sweat another Jason guy have forty five. Michael Pennix, the
Speaker 5: quarterback from Washington. Forty four Jonah Ellis and edge from Utah,
Speaker 5: Christian Haynes from Yukon, Javion Bullard the safety for Georgia.
Speaker 5: Mike Sandersill. He is a corner that is probably gonna
Speaker 5: be in slot, right, going to be in slot. I
Speaker 5: found myself surprised that I had him so high, considering
Speaker 5: he's kind of a specialist.
Speaker 2: And he's also small. But he's good football, Yes, very
Speaker 2: good football player.
Speaker 5: Chop Robinson, penn State. I have at thirty nine bo Nicks.
Speaker 5: Your friend's already mad I bo Nicks at thirty eight.
Speaker 5: Peyton Wilson, the linebacker from Incy State. And then rounding
Speaker 5: out this fifteen here I have Lad McConkie wi really
Speaker 5: from Georgia.
Speaker 2: Thirty six, Yes, thirty slower than I thought you'd have it,
Speaker 2: a little lower than.
Speaker 5: I thought he would go, but the right. That's why
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about wide receiver. It's surprising because
Speaker 5: the ones I have in front of him, I think
Speaker 5: are I think you're maybe a little better better, so
Speaker 5: we're a little higher stealing.
Speaker 1: The one that I was surprised about there is Brownly
Speaker 1: from Louisville. And again he's a guy that you mentioned
Speaker 1: this on the last podcast. Film just okay, fine, It's
Speaker 1: like he does some good stuff, but it's nothing. He's
Speaker 1: had a great post season process. Senior Bowl was awesome,
Speaker 1: Combine was awesome. How do you weigh that in relation
Speaker 1: to what his film is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is one of those ones where I had
Speaker 5: to be true to myself. Right, Like I've heard all
Speaker 5: the time, do not fall in love with a guy
Speaker 5: based on the combine or like the outside football stuff.
Speaker 5: And he was okay right, Like I even I look
Speaker 5: back at my notes. When I first watched him, I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, good player, right, And then when he's
Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl one on one good looked really good.
Speaker 5: So it's like, uh, I see the something there, and
Speaker 5: this is kind of where like he does a lot
Speaker 5: of things, well nothing great, but then I saw great
Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl. So I'm not sure where to evaluate.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was a scheme thing, but maybe if it
Speaker 5: hits like I think he's about here.
Speaker 1: Just to give you an example, that's like why Darius
Speaker 1: Robinson has shot up boards.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: You saw traits, you saw physicality, you saw heavy hands,
Speaker 1: you saw a pursuit.
Speaker 3: It put you in uncomfortable positions.
Speaker 1: But basically your point is he was playing five technique Missouri.
Speaker 1: He plays a true edge kind of stand up player,
Speaker 1: and he looks like that dude, So I think like
Speaker 1: maybe they're just using him differently at the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and you see different skill sets, Fred, you got your Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thirty six.
Speaker 3: Fifty to thirty six fifty is Patrick Paul.
Speaker 6: We got his brother here in his uh and don't
Speaker 6: make me and it's Ray kraw I got him at
Speaker 6: forty nine. I got bow knicks at forty eight. I
Speaker 6: know this shock shot because y'all think I hate on
Speaker 6: bow knicks. I was attack because I think I played
Speaker 6: against his daddy.
Speaker 3: Now think about it.
Speaker 6: You think I got Brandon Fisk at forty seven, all right,
Speaker 6: Zach Frasier guard forty six a zaber look get because.
Speaker 3: None of y'all had him in y'all top fifty. I
Speaker 3: got him at forty or five?
Speaker 6: Accurate, he does, I got him at forty four. Malachai
Speaker 6: Crawley Cory. Yes, I think he is a faster Deebo
Speaker 6: Samuels like I think I think when he gets in
Speaker 6: the lead. I'm telling you it's something about this kid.
Speaker 6: Forty three. I got Chris Jenkins forty two, key young Coleman.
Speaker 6: I know he ran the slow forty, but I think
Speaker 6: he's a football player. Numbers don't do anything for him.
Speaker 6: Forty one Braylan Trice. I think he gonna actually have
Speaker 6: a better pro career than he had college career.
Speaker 3: Ed forty I got TJ. Tempa cornerback.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: That's what I like to do.
Speaker 6: I like to make sure the cornerbacks is in there.
Speaker 6: And he's a guy that earned it, all right. Thirty
Speaker 6: nine Ricky Prorell that's his name, Prorell.
Speaker 5: Uh piersong song peer So why.
Speaker 3: What looked like me? Like Perell what like this, whatever
Speaker 3: y'all want to call him.
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna most definitely be a better pro
Speaker 6: than a college player, all right.
Speaker 3: I got Mitchell or Donald Mitchell at thirty eight.
Speaker 6: I got Kingsley uh seem Matalia at thirty seven, and
Speaker 6: at thirty six, I got Michael Pennix junior.
Speaker 2: Nice. So I like that Bylan Trice. Braylan Trice think
Speaker 2: you had him at.
Speaker 3: Four Ragland Trice and forty one forty one.
Speaker 2: So interesting guy because I really really like his film.
Speaker 2: But he had like a disastrous combine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you noticed a couple of my guys. I had
Speaker 3: terrible combine.
Speaker 6: And I don't think everybody is good as being on
Speaker 6: the stage and showing up for people in times.
Speaker 1: He just made some weird decisions, Like he weighed it
Speaker 1: ntil he was a two seventy five that's what he
Speaker 1: played out in college, big power ad dresser. Yeah, came
Speaker 1: in at two forty to forty, so like you.
Speaker 2: Lost what thirly pounds? And then but then he ran
Speaker 2: a four to seven one, so you're like, okay, what happened?
Speaker 2: And then he didn't listen to instructions very well in
Speaker 2: the team drills.
Speaker 3: So that's my type. I animal he plays good foot
Speaker 3: past me, but Bud he plays again.
Speaker 2: I was so high on him and then he goes
Speaker 2: to the common I'm like and just just the decision making,
Speaker 2: like you lost thirty five pounds from when the season
Speaker 2: you just.
Speaker 5: Got one me for over hype.
Speaker 3: I know, but that's a weird time.
Speaker 2: That's a weird decision. Guy, that's a weird decision though.
Speaker 2: It's weird the decision making.
Speaker 3: I like the.
Speaker 6: Randicism of this guy because it tells me all I
Speaker 6: could do is play football, Like I love.
Speaker 3: I love guy. I love like that, Like, hey, hey, Bryce,
Speaker 3: do you want to go on the trip to France? No,
Speaker 3: they don't play football all over it Like he more
Speaker 3: of a run pain guy like pay Like, what you
Speaker 3: want to do? Football? You got anything you like doing?
Speaker 3: Season football? Trice Is didn't.
Speaker 1: So he was the guy that was borderline for me
Speaker 1: top fifty, but again just on the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, who's advising what's happening there?
Speaker 2: I mean, at least so for me, he's probably like
Speaker 2: a top sixty five player, But yeah.
Speaker 5: He's right there. We all have Patrick Paul in this
Speaker 5: in this area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got Marshall Kneeland, the guy from Western Michigan,
Speaker 1: good motor, good player testedbut Patrick Paull at forty nine,
Speaker 1: Mike Sanders still from Michigan to and Andre Sweat at
Speaker 1: forty seven. For me, that's a jacent guy. Xavier like
Speaker 1: at fred forty six, TJ. Tampa the probably the best
Speaker 1: tackling corner in the class, a little uncertain about his
Speaker 1: role forty four, key On Coleman forty three. Kamari Lasser
Speaker 1: and no one else had him on their list. Again,
Speaker 1: a guy that didn't test well, but the film's really good,
Speaker 1: so I'm a little bit unsure about whether he deserves
Speaker 1: to be in or not. But he's in forty two.
Speaker 1: Brandon Fiskey forty one. Peyton Wilson from NC State, And
Speaker 1: that is kind of my bottom tier.
Speaker 6: You get up there, tell me hot what was it
Speaker 6: the comebine. They put him up there because the film
Speaker 6: in the comebine don't match out there, So I so
Speaker 6: let me.
Speaker 2: Finish my list.
Speaker 1: So that's forty one, alcome back Edrian Cooper forty, Jordan
Speaker 1: Morgan thirty nine, Xavier Worthy thirty eight. The Tech of
Speaker 1: the Receiver from Texas Kings assumatia, same as Fred thirty seven,
Speaker 1: kool Aid mckinnistry thirty six. So with regards to Peyton Wilson,
Speaker 1: I like his film a lot. I think he runs well.
Speaker 1: He's got that sideline, the sideline ability to meet, the
Speaker 1: injury history, and the fact he has thirty inch charms
Speaker 1: and it shows up on film when he's taken on blocks.
Speaker 1: I just am not the most confident that that athletic
Speaker 1: profile is going to translate. That's why Adrian Cooper is
Speaker 1: a spot ahead for me. Yeah, because he's got thirty
Speaker 1: four inch arms, He's violent to the football, he sheds
Speaker 1: blocks in in a way that's translatable to the NFL level.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I made that distinction. But again,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good football player, but he is
Speaker 1: in a different tier for me than Edric Cooper.
Speaker 2: For example.
Speaker 3: I think those kangaroo oms is gonna hurt him in
Speaker 3: the league. I agree, I just really do. I think
Speaker 3: guards are going to get on him quick.
Speaker 6: I think his I think his best thing is if
Speaker 6: he plays in the defense where he got a nose
Speaker 6: going over top of him and just allows him to
Speaker 6: run sideline.
Speaker 1: Sounds almost better, like to your point as like a
Speaker 1: true will like where he's almost out of it, like
Speaker 1: almost like a strong safety type player. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: has a really hard time, and I think about like
Speaker 1: Cooper bebe getting on him like he like there's no
Speaker 1: way he could. There's he has no tool right to
Speaker 1: get off with his hat and hands. He's just not
Speaker 1: strong enough in his upper body. So that's why he's
Speaker 1: down there for me. All right, So now we're doing
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Thirty five one one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so I'll start out with Kingsley Sue
Speaker 4: Maataiah dude, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thirty five.
Speaker 7: I've been coming around on him.
Speaker 2: It's to me.
Speaker 1: I watched more films last night, and he's a mess.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's a mess, but he is an athletic freak.
Speaker 1: He's an athletic freak and like you just can't. There's
Speaker 1: like not that many people that are six five and
Speaker 1: three twenty they can run afi walking around on the street.
Speaker 4: He's my like I'm a as as a form, like
Speaker 4: I said, I'm a stickler for the technique one not
Speaker 4: very technical.
Speaker 7: No, this is my attempt at him.
Speaker 3: He's he's Morgan Moses coming out of Virginia. Yes, he's
Speaker 3: Morgan Moses when he came.
Speaker 2: Out, all right, that's pretty good, bright actually coming out
Speaker 2: of nowhere. That one nice.
Speaker 7: Thirty four Christian Haynes at a Yukon.
Speaker 2: That's high for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't mean like in a bad way, but like
Speaker 2: I like him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty three ly get Wow, Yeah, thirty two they're
Speaker 4: Han Newton, Illinois.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Darius Robinson edge, I love it.
Speaker 4: J C.
Speaker 7: Latham Okay, Yeah. Then you got Michael Pennix Junior.
Speaker 3: What pick are you own?
Speaker 7: Twenty eight?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 7: Twenty eight?
Speaker 4: And we got Graham Barton twenty seven, we got that
Speaker 4: coming twenty six, Chop Robinson, we got it in come
Speaker 4: twenty five am, Marius Mimes twenty four, Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 5: Did you look at my paper?
Speaker 2: It's probably copied the cent?
Speaker 4: That's all what co GM's Yeah, let's see all right.
Speaker 4: We got Nate Wiggins Clemson. What number twenty three?
Speaker 7: Bo Nicks quarterback, Morgan and Cooper Jean twenty one? Yeah,
Speaker 7: twenty one.
Speaker 3: Wow, we ain't this? You and I am not so different?
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you. JC Latham. I don't know where
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: What was the number it was lower the thirty thirty.
Speaker 1: Why so low or why relatively they're compared to consensus
Speaker 1: a little bit lower?
Speaker 4: On him, I think I want to look at him.
Speaker 4: I think he's look when I watch him as all right,
Speaker 4: this guy. I read all the stuff about it. Everyone's
Speaker 4: in love with him, think he's great. And I watched him,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, he's he's.
Speaker 3: An average Alabama Okay, Like.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say like he does the job. I think
Speaker 4: it does it fine. I never look at him like
Speaker 4: with Cooper.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 4: I look at him and I'm like, wow, that is awesome.
Speaker 4: As for lath And I'm like, Okay, that's a win,
Speaker 4: that's that's a.
Speaker 7: That's a solid rep.
Speaker 3: I don't think you like motor.
Speaker 7: No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: I don't love his motor either, But I don't think
Speaker 1: you can underrate at the college level just dominant, getting
Speaker 1: on getting on base. No, yeah, like you just got
Speaker 1: to win the ones you're supposed to win. And I
Speaker 1: think there's some inconsistency to his efforts, some inconsistency to
Speaker 1: his like mental but when he is physically going in
Speaker 1: the right direction, like he's a special guy. And I
Speaker 1: was talking to a Scott at the combat about him
Speaker 1: who it was his number one tackle and I was
Speaker 1: not there and I'm not there now. But I think
Speaker 1: when you just just like this is what I did
Speaker 1: last night talking about stuff. I watched every offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in order of all the film I could find ye
Speaker 1: just down the list, And when you just compare them
Speaker 1: apples to apples like that, you see that he's a
Speaker 1: little bit better asp then you think he's a little
Speaker 1: bit stronger than you think, he's a little bit bigger
Speaker 1: than you.
Speaker 3: Think, heavy hands heavy.
Speaker 2: There's value there. But again I don't disagree. Thirty is
Speaker 2: I think very reasonable.
Speaker 4: I think the big thing is like I was expecting
Speaker 4: high expectations. I wanted to be blown away, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I just didn't necessarily see like that.
Speaker 1: I kind of went through a similar process, and I
Speaker 1: think we're just I'm like a month ahead of you.
Speaker 1: So you'll come back around on it, and then you'll
Speaker 1: get out of him again and you'll go back and
Speaker 1: forth like you do.
Speaker 2: So Fred who you got because you guys have the
Speaker 2: same muster parent You.
Speaker 6: Know what, Hey, he stole my recipes and now he's
Speaker 6: still in madrev list. At thirty five. I got Kamari
Speaker 6: Lasston uh At thirty four, I got a Cooper Edrian Cooper.
Speaker 6: At thirty three, I got xab You're worthy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: At thirty two, I got Newton d tackle. This is
Speaker 3: what we had in coming right there.
Speaker 6: Uh. At thirty one, I got Sweat d tackle tixas.
Speaker 6: At thirty I got Cooper Baby this. I love it,
Speaker 6: bab Fred, I like, I love him. Man, you remind
Speaker 6: me of pack Man. He just goes around just chumping
Speaker 6: up defensive line and just eating them apart.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. That's a good comp it's a
Speaker 2: good cop. I'm not being facetious. He kind of looks
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 7: No, Like, did he just eat this dude?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he's that dude.
Speaker 6: He's mean a right. Twenty nine, I got Darius Robinson.
Speaker 6: I love that dude all right. Twenty eight I got
Speaker 6: Jordan Morgan offensive tackle. Twenty seven Why no, no no.
Speaker 6: At twenty seven, I got Graham Barton at twenty six,
Speaker 6: Chop Robinson twenty five, Nate Wiggins.
Speaker 3: I love skinny Conels and he is skinny as it
Speaker 3: is and I love it.
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, he put on ten pounds first
Speaker 1: Pro day. So waiting at one seventy two with ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all you got to do is drink yolks yolks
Speaker 6: and you'll get there. At twenty four, I got Brian
Speaker 6: Thomas Junior. All right, most definitely, I think he's going
Speaker 6: to actually be one of the better receivers.
Speaker 3: In his draft. At twenty three, I got tearyan On I.
Speaker 3: At twenty two I got j C.
Speaker 6: Layton, And at twenty one I got for Shannu oposite
Speaker 6: tackle pin State.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's ask you about Jordan Morgan. Real cool.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about him a ton. Yeah, so you're fred,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 3: He's a dancing bear.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He's a good athlete.
Speaker 6: He's a dancing bear. I'm talking about yogi. He's one
Speaker 6: of these guys, big body, light feet. I could take
Speaker 6: that in attack.
Speaker 1: So I just for context, I have him at thirty nine,
Speaker 1: so I see the athlete. But I have some questions, Zach,
Speaker 1: and I can see your face all screwed up.
Speaker 7: I just I'm just not that impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his physicality I think is an issue for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned Cooper, bebe like dude, no question about
Speaker 1: his physicality. Jacy Latham, no question about his physical with Morgan,
Speaker 1: You're like, you can hit this guy hard if you want.
Speaker 2: That's on the table. And again, good athlete.
Speaker 1: Like the way he moves, and I think he'll go
Speaker 1: high because of that, because you can't find big guys
Speaker 1: that move well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm always had.
Speaker 3: Some Brian McKinney in him.
Speaker 6: He has these Like I watched Brian McKinney dominate in
Speaker 6: the NFL because not because he was so vicious, because
Speaker 6: he just invoked people.
Speaker 3: He enveloped the he.
Speaker 7: Can literally did because he hugs people a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was also dominated.
Speaker 1: But Brian McKinney is I think he's six eights, like
Speaker 1: six seven year for like three seventy five. Jordan Morgan
Speaker 1: is six ' five, He's got thirty two inch arms,
Speaker 1: He's like one hundred and three hundred and ten pounds,
Speaker 1: so not the same stature. I feel like he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a guard the next level.
Speaker 7: But I think so too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the guy that is mixed mixed reviews
Speaker 1: apparently just had to work out with with the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and his agent put out that the Cowboys think he
Speaker 1: can play tackle.
Speaker 2: I think that's agent talk, But yeah, who you got Jason?
Speaker 5: All Right, I'm ready for a lot of wows. Well,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna fight you guys here, all right.
Speaker 5: So thirty five Darius Robinson Missouri, Kingsley Sua Mattia follows
Speaker 5: him up from BYU. Chris Braswell from Alabama.
Speaker 3: Want to put him in it high?
Speaker 5: Wow, amarus Man's thirty two probably a little none of
Speaker 5: you have said him.
Speaker 3: Yeah American, we got.
Speaker 5: Him, got him right, That's what I'm saying. Twenty five Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: Tyler Newman safety from Minnesota, Graham Barton from Duke DJ Tampa,
Speaker 5: Fred and good player st. Xavier Legett I have at
Speaker 5: twenty eighth. I really like Leg.
Speaker 3: I like Leg like I do. He's a monster man.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Nate Wiggins, Fred, you and I both
Speaker 5: like him. The skinny corner, but doesn't like to tackle that.
Speaker 3: Ry when you guys kissed the ball that you don't.
Speaker 5: That's why he's down here.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, probably, no, not probably the
Speaker 1: best coverage player in the class, but doesn't doesn't tackle
Speaker 1: very smooth.
Speaker 6: You know what I ta college, But you know they
Speaker 6: say his cumpy is men.
Speaker 5: He'll be then he'll be a good player. But you
Speaker 5: would mix up, man.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. But he does it.
Speaker 5: He will.
Speaker 6: He doesn't mix get how he needed to write coordinator
Speaker 6: to say, you know what, you don't tackle, you don't play.
Speaker 5: I hope he gets that. Yeah, Ricky who is that?
Speaker 5: Fred Pearson? I call him Ricky Rick wide receiver twenty six. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Jared Verse, that's real.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm with that a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little Tyler Geiton, Oklahoma. Yeah, Jersine Newton from Illinois,
Speaker 5: kool Aid McKinstry.
Speaker 6: The Cornerbackliday that though you got to make twenty two?
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little high. Yeah, I can talk about him
Speaker 5: looking and then Brandon.
Speaker 3: Fisk is it fiskysis Fisk.
Speaker 2: That's why I love him.
Speaker 7: I I'm prepared to depend motor, but also I love.
Speaker 5: I love the motor, I love the violent hands.
Speaker 2: I just he's so just the first one I want
Speaker 2: to talk about was t J. Tampa. Okay, why do
Speaker 2: you like him?
Speaker 1: And you're pretty high on him because I had him
Speaker 1: him at him at forty five, So I like him
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 6: The Knicks coming of Antioine Winfield Senior, he feels like
Speaker 6: tweezy will I know.
Speaker 2: But can he to me? He's not scheme agnostic necessarily
Speaker 2: like he is. He's big. I think he's six one
Speaker 2: and a half six to two tennis.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love how he hits, Love how he plays that
Speaker 2: cover three like Seattle coverage. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got he's got really long arms, right, and
Speaker 5: he uses that length to be disruptive even if he
Speaker 5: can get behind a little bit and doesn't have the
Speaker 5: best recovery speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, But I think he has really nice movement for
Speaker 5: his size, and he's really he's willing to mix in,
Speaker 5: like he's.
Speaker 3: A willing player. I can see him playing some safety
Speaker 3: too later on in his career.
Speaker 2: It's kind of what I got to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like him as a player, but I that's one
Speaker 1: of this that's one of those ones where like he
Speaker 1: could be the sixtieth player on someone's board, yeah, and
Speaker 1: like the twenty fifth yeah, because schematically he's not going
Speaker 1: to be for every everybody.
Speaker 5: I do have some negatives, like the negatives I marked
Speaker 5: down or the cons that can be worked through, is
Speaker 5: it looks like every now and then he can get
Speaker 5: turned around a little bit lost and they played lots
Speaker 5: of his own coverage, so he for me to figure
Speaker 5: out me play it was hard.
Speaker 2: I think I think you can play moddle to see
Speaker 2: him at the Cedar Bowl for that exactly.
Speaker 6: And it's okay for me to nickname Brandon, I mean
Speaker 6: Braidon Fist. Could I name him the King pen.
Speaker 7: Kind of like a mist.
Speaker 2: So the other thing about Bradon Fist is I like
Speaker 2: him a lot.
Speaker 1: He's like one of my favorite players in the draft,
Speaker 1: but I have reservations about his ability to play consistent.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, yeah, because he's got short arms, he's not
Speaker 1: under he's not undersize, and so he's you know, he's hard.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: Though, like because my mar Mike was a little bit shorter,
Speaker 1: and you feel that on a down to down basis,
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel you know, you got you got
Speaker 1: a crazy long But I'm saying like it is a thing,
Speaker 1: and there are guys that can overcome it. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if I saw that, like Elijah Cantsey, twitchy
Speaker 1: kind of you know, jitterbug moves. He's fast and he
Speaker 1: plays hard, but like I feel like that's a pretty
Speaker 1: well that's his ceiling is is I don't know twenty
Speaker 1: what is it twenty one?
Speaker 3: You had him?
Speaker 5: I don't think it's happened pretty high. I have been
Speaker 5: pretty high. I think he's got a high floor. I
Speaker 5: would say. I know you're talking about like the arm length,
Speaker 5: but I just love the motor. I love that he's
Speaker 5: violent with his hands, Like these are the things I
Speaker 5: look at that I'm like, well, maybe he can overcome some.
Speaker 7: Of these, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And maybe like his if his ability to go hard
Speaker 4: and you know, and get a lot of effort, is
Speaker 4: that gonna be enough to overcome some of his physical limitation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I hope so.
Speaker 1: But so then that risk that question, Zach asked, that's
Speaker 1: why for me, he's down in kind of that bottomish
Speaker 1: teer for me, you know, like in that thirty to
Speaker 1: thirty five range for me.
Speaker 2: But I have questions about it. But again I don't
Speaker 2: disagree with your analysis. Yeah, want me to go real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is thirty five.
Speaker 1: Zach Fraser from West Virginia the center, Darius Robinson defensive
Speaker 1: end from Missouri, Ricky pier Saw, Florida receiver him love
Speaker 1: him tested really well. Michael Pennick Junior thirty two, Cooper
Speaker 1: Dejen thirty one. I think of it more is a safety.
Speaker 1: That's why he's so high on my list. Lad mcconchney
Speaker 1: at thirty, Graham Barton the center guard tackle from Duke
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson twenty eight. This one hurt my soul a
Speaker 1: little bit. I didn't want to put him at high,
Speaker 1: but I did. Bo Nicks at twenty seven, Jackson Powers
Speaker 1: Johnson twenty six. I know that's really different from where
Speaker 1: Jason has them. Jazer Newton from Illinois the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: twenty five, Nate Wiggins twenty four, And that to me
Speaker 1: is like that tier of guys that I think can play,
Speaker 1: that could be a starter at some point, but aren't
Speaker 1: quite there yet. And then the next tier for me
Speaker 1: are guys that I think have like home run nobility.
Speaker 1: So these next three guys keep that in mind when
Speaker 1: I read them off.
Speaker 7: J C.
Speaker 1: Latham twenty five, There twenty three if he gets in
Speaker 1: the right spot. I wanted to put Amarus Mims so
Speaker 1: high because when you watch his games, it looks like
Speaker 1: dude sleeping out there.
Speaker 2: It looks like he's playing with a bunch of high
Speaker 2: school kids.
Speaker 3: Twenty two.
Speaker 2: He only played seven games.
Speaker 1: But if you watch him against Ohio State last year,
Speaker 1: you watch against Alabama this year, Like, those are NFL
Speaker 1: players and he.
Speaker 3: Just is like throwing them up and speeding them out.
Speaker 1: I'm just like this, someone is going to fall in
Speaker 1: love with this dude. But the fact that only played
Speaker 1: seven games had to put him down here. And the
Speaker 1: next guy on my list is Olu Fashanu from Penn State.
Speaker 1: Interest kind of love it is low, but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. I don't know why why. So one thing
Speaker 1: about Forshano, I love the athlete. He's a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 1: One right, he was twenty But again, like I, I
Speaker 1: tear these a little differently. Like for me, like this
Speaker 1: is a guy that I would for sure draft, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. He's going to get a shot to
Speaker 1: start a tackle. I just have some reservations about his
Speaker 1: hip height. He has a really hard time sinking his hips.
Speaker 1: He's got very tight ankles, which makes it hard for
Speaker 1: him to connect at the second level.
Speaker 2: And when he gets an elite bull rusher, he has
Speaker 2: a hard time sting down the ball.
Speaker 1: So I again love the athlete, love it, but I
Speaker 1: just those are questions that are gonna make it really
Speaker 1: And he's a young player. He's going to develop like
Speaker 1: right system, and he's a nerd for football from what
Speaker 1: I understand, But those are some questions that I'm like,
Speaker 1: So if you look at all those guys, right, Oliviashano,
Speaker 1: I think could be a home run. I think he
Speaker 1: could be a generational guy. But there's four significant questions.
Speaker 1: So Maryusmims, same thing, but he's only played seven football games.
Speaker 2: Can he stay healthy? Right?
Speaker 1: JC Latham? Can we get your motors started? And can
Speaker 1: it stay going for a whole game? And are you
Speaker 1: athletic enough and twitched up enough to vertical past at
Speaker 1: von Miller?
Speaker 2: So that's why I love those guys.
Speaker 4: But that's the that's what That's where like coaching is
Speaker 4: really going to have to play a big role in
Speaker 4: like getting trying to get Forashano's hips to go down.
Speaker 4: So because he's not getting blown away into a quarterback.
Speaker 5: I want to talk about Mims real quick for a second.
Speaker 5: Have you brought him up yet? Zach?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I got him at twenty five?
Speaker 5: And where did you have him?
Speaker 2: All? Right?
Speaker 5: So you can talk about him in a second, but
Speaker 5: I want to talk about Mims because I had him
Speaker 5: pretty far down comparatively, and it's because I just don't
Speaker 5: feel we have enough data points and we're just looking
Speaker 5: at like the measurements of a guy built in a lab.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's good. Coaches and gms excited.
Speaker 5: But this isn't a draft. But it's clean.
Speaker 3: It's clean, sleek with a sheep. With him, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you right, no bad habits.
Speaker 6: Even though he hasn't played a lot of games, he
Speaker 6: han't picked up bad habit. It's a clean slate protocol
Speaker 6: with him. And you cannot go into a gym and build.
Speaker 3: Six, eight, three and fifty. I'm sorry that moves the
Speaker 3: way this guy moves.
Speaker 6: And the one thing Logan said, the only problem I
Speaker 6: got with him, and that's why I got him higher,
Speaker 6: is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 3: Like other than that, I'm sorry, I have to get
Speaker 3: him on my team by any means.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the one the one thing i'd say to you,
Speaker 1: as you know, like in terms of in the games
Speaker 1: you've watched, if you watch all seven games, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of bad Like he has a great ability
Speaker 1: to kind of get this his feet separated vertically, you know,
Speaker 1: to get that vertical kit slut. He understands his relationship
Speaker 1: to the quarterback in pass pro. He uses his length well,
Speaker 1: he can sink, he can move in space, and he.
Speaker 3: Can have the speed and he can hand the speed,
Speaker 3: the power power to speed, and he's so big.
Speaker 1: And again, like when I say he's out to lunch,
Speaker 1: it looks like he's sleeping. It just looks like it's
Speaker 1: easy for him. And you know, Fred said this to
Speaker 1: me about corners, and I think the same thing is
Speaker 1: true for offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: You want it.
Speaker 1: You want pass pro specifically to look easy, and I
Speaker 1: think with with Mims it looks easy. And again he's raw,
Speaker 1: but man, there's a lot there. And again it's the
Speaker 1: same thing with Fashan, who like I like Fashan, who's tape.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're swinging for the fence here and you've got
Speaker 5: all He's got a nice swing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm saying, Like these to me
Speaker 1: are guys that I this is for me. It's twenty
Speaker 1: three to fifteen where I'm like, I like the athlete,
Speaker 1: I like the ability, but there's some questions about what
Speaker 1: they got going on.
Speaker 4: So it's sort of similar to you know, I was
Speaker 4: looking it was writing the mock track money, which, by
Speaker 4: the way, check it out on Commanders Dot Common. And
Speaker 4: I was looking at Trevor Sikima's he had us getting
Speaker 4: Austin Booker out of Kansas. Now there's there's really one
Speaker 4: really good year for Austin Booker, but there's almost nothing.
Speaker 7: Else on him. So it's a I thought it was
Speaker 7: under anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, yeah, there's not a whole lot of film
Speaker 4: to look on, but the film is so freaking good,
Speaker 4: just like you have to take a chance on this guy.
Speaker 4: Same thing with the Mary Smails, like, yeah, there's not
Speaker 4: a whole lot out there, but I won't him, but
Speaker 4: you want him because the film that is out there
Speaker 4: is damn good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, so I love it.
Speaker 5: Marriagemans. By the way, I was just, I was just
Speaker 5: My argument was just the data points.
Speaker 1: It's a good talking point, but it's again it's like,
Speaker 1: that's the question. There's a reason he's not he's here,
Speaker 1: he's not top ten, right, Like, there's a reason he's down.
Speaker 5: There top twenty, Logan, why don't you go you So I.
Speaker 1: Got Adami Mitchell at twenty, I got Tyler Guidon at nineteen.
Speaker 1: I got JJ McCarthy at eighteen, I got Brian Thomas
Speaker 1: Junior from LSU. At seventeen, I got Jared Versu at sixteen,
Speaker 1: and Dallas Turner at fifteen. And then that's my kind
Speaker 1: of mid tier there that I've been established, and my
Speaker 1: top tier guy fourteen Terry and Arnold thirteen, Byron Murphy
Speaker 1: from Texas defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: Twelve Lat too lat too or LAT two lat too,
Speaker 2: excuse me? And eleven brock Bowers from Georgia.
Speaker 5: Nice, very nice, And what was that from twenty to
Speaker 5: twenty twenty to eleven?
Speaker 6: Yea twenty eleven all right. At twenty, I got Tyler Guiden.
Speaker 6: I love him, damn dog. All right at nineteen Jackson
Speaker 6: Powells Johnson eighteen, Lati seventeen, JJ McCarthy sixteen.
Speaker 3: Cooper Gen I am in love with this guy. I
Speaker 3: think he is. I think he's one of the best
Speaker 3: defensive playmakers in this draft.
Speaker 6: Fifteen I got Jared Verse fourteen, Marius Mems thirteen, Queen
Speaker 6: Mitchell twelve, Byron Murphy eleven.
Speaker 3: What's his name? F U A G A. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: ain't on a butcher butchered enough Dames.
Speaker 5: All right, cool, I'll go in then you can go Zach.
Speaker 5: I have that twenty I have Cooper de Gene. We
Speaker 5: should definitely talk about it. We haven't talked about him
Speaker 5: on other pods. Nineteen is JJ McCarthy, eighteen quinnyon Mitchell,
Speaker 5: seventeen Jackson Powers Johnson, the best name in this class
Speaker 5: for it just fits. Look at him, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's your name.
Speaker 3: He sounded like a chipping Dale.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sixteen is Byron Murphy the second, the tackle from Texas,
Speaker 5: defensive tackle from Texas, Terry and Arnold, cornerback from Alabama,
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels from LSU. I have at fourteen, Troy Fatanu
Speaker 5: from Washington, at thirteen, Dallas Turner from Alabama. And then
Speaker 5: I round this one out with Brian Thomas Junior, the
Speaker 5: wide receiver from LSU at eleven.
Speaker 3: Wow, you feel very I'm high on him. I don't
Speaker 3: know aboutam dead high on him, but I'm high.
Speaker 4: On so twenty Taly Geiden, then he got nineteen Jared
Speaker 4: Vers eighteen, Byron Murphy, seventeen, jad McCarthy sixteen, Jackson Powers
Speaker 4: Johnson another again, all time great name. Fifteen Terry and
Speaker 4: Arnold fourteen Troy Fatanu, thirteen Quinon Mitchell these last year,
Speaker 4: I kind of went back and forth on twelve Dallas
Speaker 4: Turner and then eleven layout to Lattu.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of the same.
Speaker 3: It's not surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like kind of the meat.
Speaker 1: So A couple of things I want to touch on
Speaker 1: there is how did you guys make your decision on
Speaker 1: edge rusher? Who was the number one edge rusher, because
Speaker 1: that's one that I think people kind of go back
Speaker 1: and forth on. Mine was lat Too, followed by Dallas
Speaker 1: Turner than Jared First are fifteen sixteen so interchangeable basically,
Speaker 1: And then how did you guys make those.
Speaker 6: Dallas Turner was my number one guy off of help
Speaker 6: alone health help alone. I think a lot too is
Speaker 6: the most talented. I think he's the longest. I think
Speaker 6: he has the most upside. But I think plug and
Speaker 6: play ready right now. Dallas Turner is ready to give
Speaker 6: you high level football.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I flip flopped it, but had the same
Speaker 5: reasonings as Fred, if that makes sense. Like I haven't
Speaker 5: even I haven't gotten the lat Too yet, but he's
Speaker 5: my top edg rusher. Dallas Turner is second. I would
Speaker 5: I think is the better player. That's why he's higher here,
Speaker 5: but I would not draft him over Dallas Turner, probably
Speaker 5: because of the health concern, but I think he's I
Speaker 5: think he's by far the best edge rusher.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think I'm going on straight up talent. He has
Speaker 7: a full leoti lot has a full like a full arsenal.
Speaker 4: And when you're able to get these premier, premier tackles
Speaker 4: in the NFL, you you're gonna need every single one
Speaker 4: of those tools in the toolbox.
Speaker 6: And the key next out Because if I got Dallas Turner,
Speaker 6: who hasn't been used in all these pass mood that
Speaker 6: I could teach now, he becomes even more deadly win.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think people overestimate how easy it
Speaker 1: is to teach someone pass rush.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's one of the things with Dallas Turner.
Speaker 1: He's productive, but he's productive because he's a big, freaky athlete.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got thirty thirty four and a half
Speaker 1: inch arms. I think he had a forty inch vertical.
Speaker 1: He ran a four to four to seven in the combine,
Speaker 1: Like he's a freak athlete. Yeah, but you see a
Speaker 1: little bit of inconsistency with his technique, with his awareness
Speaker 1: his football iques a little bit like it's not not
Speaker 1: super high and so's it's like, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that makes me kind of go like,
Speaker 1: there's a level of risks there because it's you, the
Speaker 1: the athletes there, but the the mental football stuff and
Speaker 1: that kind of the nuance of it is not always there.
Speaker 2: And then he's Jared Verse.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way, like I like
Speaker 1: Jared versus lot great power, rusher, good, feel good instincts
Speaker 1: place hard. So he's so tight in the hips. I
Speaker 1: wonder if he'll be able to kind of turn the cone,
Speaker 1: turn the corner at the NFL level.
Speaker 5: You guys watched Jean claud Van Damn movies.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, I did.
Speaker 6: Was it wasn't?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's what layout to you, lat too looks
Speaker 5: like to me is Jean Claude right when they just
Speaker 5: come in him and he just uses his hands and says,
Speaker 5: the guy just loses balance, it goes off. That's what
Speaker 5: it looks like with him. He's just his karate master almost.
Speaker 5: His hands are so good, his counters are so good.
Speaker 5: His and then he bends and moves so well that
Speaker 5: it's the only the only thing is the health risk.
Speaker 5: I mean, being declared you can't play anymore medically. It's
Speaker 5: c LA's like, ah, you're fine, a little concerned.
Speaker 3: It's just a nick in itself, that's the concerned part.
Speaker 3: But man, is he tow The other thing I.
Speaker 1: Want to ask about real quick, there is Jaden Daniels safe,
Speaker 1: said Jason. Yeah, okay, so so and again like this,
Speaker 1: just to be clear, like it doesn't mean he's I
Speaker 1: want him to be drafted. I understand, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I don't disagree with this. Like
Speaker 1: there's certain times when you see her here something and
Speaker 1: you're like, that's impossible. But I think when you talk
Speaker 1: about some of the nuance of Jade and Daniel, you
Speaker 1: can get here, but you can also get to two
Speaker 1: the second best plays. Absolutely know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Very very high ceiling, very high ceiling. I am scared
Speaker 5: of how low the floor could be for him. That's
Speaker 5: what I'm scared of. Why I'm scared of his frame
Speaker 5: and his running. I know there are counter arguments to it,
Speaker 5: so I'm afraid of injury with him because I've seen
Speaker 5: it before with quarterbacks built like him, especially here his
Speaker 5: I was trying to talk through this with Logan at
Speaker 5: one point. He has good arm strength, but it doesn't
Speaker 5: look like he like it doesn't look like he's zipping it.
Speaker 5: There's not The fastball just isn't quite fast.
Speaker 1: If I was going to articulate it. He's got an,
Speaker 1: he's got excellent mechanics. He's got a very quick release,
Speaker 1: and he relies on the release more than.
Speaker 5: The velocity, so he doesn't throw over the middle of
Speaker 5: the field as much.
Speaker 3: Much. Wasn't x to you.
Speaker 5: It wasn't asked to But I can be like, well
Speaker 5: that maybe that's.
Speaker 2: Why, because well and also if you look at you,
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 1: What's the down there? And uh in l s what's
Speaker 1: his name? I forget his name, but they have iterations
Speaker 1: of the offense where they do throw over the middle field,
Speaker 1: so obviously they spoke to his skill set there.
Speaker 4: Yes, also didn't didn't Lamar Jackson not throw to the
Speaker 4: middle of the field whenever he was you, no.
Speaker 3: No, they was. He was an approach.
Speaker 2: He ran a pro style offense at he.
Speaker 6: Went a PROWN office. Now he go to differ between
Speaker 6: Jayson Danis and Lamar Jackson. Both of these guys can
Speaker 6: get to running wise, get to zero to one hundred. Yes,
Speaker 6: the one thing about Lamar he can stop. The one
Speaker 6: thing about Jaye danis he has a little bit on
Speaker 6: G three and them where it takes them four or
Speaker 6: five steps to stop. So if you look at any
Speaker 6: of those bast tackles he gets, it is because he
Speaker 6: can't stop. I've watched him on the sideline running to
Speaker 6: people back because he couldn't stop, because he's running so fast.
Speaker 3: That scares me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is nippicking what I'm doing. I'm nitpicking
Speaker 5: because his ceiling is way up there and at number
Speaker 5: two overall, if Washington decides to take them, I'm thrilled
Speaker 5: because the Grand Slam is that I can see it.
Speaker 5: I can see it happening. But I can also see
Speaker 5: these other things that make me go that the players
Speaker 5: ahead of them, I don't feel have as low as Florence.
Speaker 3: That's all Jackson. This is come. I say, it's more
Speaker 3: Lamar Griffin than it is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: I think he throws the better than I think he
Speaker 1: throws better than RG three. But yeah, the the other
Speaker 1: thing I'd say there the thing that gets me with
Speaker 1: him is the throws over the millfield and just they're
Speaker 1: not there like that really makes me super super.
Speaker 3: Nervous splitting the NFL. Hell yeah, all right, so let's go.
Speaker 2: What do we got? We're going ten two, yeah.
Speaker 3: One, ten to six.
Speaker 5: We're gonna save the top five to six.
Speaker 3: I thought I jumped the gun just.
Speaker 5: Producing it here is try and keep their listeners engaged a.
Speaker 7: Little very now.
Speaker 2: So ten to six, Yeah, who's going?
Speaker 5: I can go?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: Talisa Futaga from Oregon State. Sorry, Drake May, this is
Speaker 5: where he falls at number nine, ol Fashanu, I'm very
Speaker 5: high on him from Penn State. Brock Bowers tight end
Speaker 5: from Georgia. This is where I had let Latu from
Speaker 5: U C l A. And then oh that's it. I'm
Speaker 5: stopping there, yep, stopping.
Speaker 2: That's my next you go, all right?
Speaker 4: So ten Talisa Fluaga got nine old Shanu eight, Drake
Speaker 4: May seven, Brock Bowers six, jayde Daniels.
Speaker 6: That's not too bad, right, alright, A T and I
Speaker 6: got a joy for I guess this is for fun.
Speaker 6: At nine, I got Dallas Turner. I got Dallas Turner
Speaker 6: at nine. At eight, I got Brock Bowers one of
Speaker 6: the most elite with Busins draft.
Speaker 3: It's seven, I have mister Jaydon Daniels. It's six. I
Speaker 3: have elit neighbors.
Speaker 1: And I got Drake Mayott ten. I got Jayden and
Speaker 1: Daniels at nine, Troy Fatanu at eight. I got Quinjon
Speaker 1: Mitchell at seven.
Speaker 3: That's high.
Speaker 2: And I got Joe Alt at six.
Speaker 7: So why are you so in love with Quinna and Mitchell.
Speaker 1: So we went back and forth like him and Taron Ronold,
Speaker 1: and I kind of was like, oh, I think Tarron
Speaker 1: Ronold is like an excellent football player. He tackles well,
Speaker 1: he's got good field, he's got controllery, quickness. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's got the horsepower to play outside corner,
Speaker 1: Like that's my question. Like when you watch his highlight tape,
Speaker 1: he's not jumping off, he's always he's often in trail
Speaker 1: and saved by bad throws. And so quinnyon like got
Speaker 1: to seem a senior le We got seem at the combine.
Speaker 1: Watched a lot of film in his He is everything
Speaker 1: you want in a number one corner from an athletics standpoint.
Speaker 1: He's also got the physical toughness and makeup. So am
Speaker 1: I doing a little bit of a projection here, Yes,
Speaker 1: But just every time we every I've seen him att
Speaker 1: he succeeded expectations. And I think the physicality that he
Speaker 1: plays with and the physical tools that he has are
Speaker 1: just too good to pass up.
Speaker 2: At the position.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I feel about him. To me,
Speaker 1: that's why he's number one as opposed to Taron Arnold.
Speaker 3: I got Cooper gen How did Arnold?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about Cooper de Gene because that's
Speaker 1: a guy that I have it. I have it thirty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you have him, Jason.
Speaker 3: I got him at sixteen.
Speaker 5: Got a control you were in that you were in
Speaker 5: that area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got him at sixteen. And listen in because
Speaker 3: the color.
Speaker 6: He has a lot of adjacency horn in him, but
Speaker 6: he also has a lot of just electric Like first
Speaker 6: of all, he ran the one hundred. People do't understand
Speaker 6: he's a.
Speaker 2: Trecks just a good athlete play basketball.
Speaker 3: Like three star guy.
Speaker 6: He I could always tell when the athlete got his
Speaker 6: his hand on the post of sports. This dude is
Speaker 6: a football player. This dude, I can see this dude
Speaker 6: playing fourteen years in the League, Pro Bowl, might be
Speaker 6: a Hall of Fame, and he get to the White team,
Speaker 6: where I put him safety or corner, I put him
Speaker 6: in both. I play him everywhere I play him. I
Speaker 6: play him the same way you play the honey Badger.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will play him.
Speaker 6: The same way as Tying Matthews. Sometime he'll be in
Speaker 6: a nickel, Sometime he'll be in the middle of field.
Speaker 6: Sometime he'll be outside checking the tight end with im.
Speaker 6: I need him to be He's my joker.
Speaker 7: Interesting.
Speaker 2: That's how I view him too. I just don't. I
Speaker 2: just don't view his value as like I think it's
Speaker 2: high as high because I think he's.
Speaker 1: A good I agree. I think he's good football player.
Speaker 1: Think he tackles well. I think he's got good instincts.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit lacking in his like clicking clicking
Speaker 1: clothes ability. You know, he gets a little bit gummed
Speaker 1: up with his hip. So so I think moving inside
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a better move for him. And I
Speaker 1: think at I think at thirty one, I think he's
Speaker 1: a heck of a football player. You know, I think
Speaker 1: he's going to make a team significantly better. Kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of like Kyle Hamilton ish
Speaker 1: but not quite the same frame, you know, just in
Speaker 1: terms of what he brings. And I think the Honey
Speaker 1: Badger is a good comp but yeah, like just because
Speaker 1: he's switching positions kind of moving inside, he didn't do that.
Speaker 3: He did that at.
Speaker 2: Iowa played linebacker. Yeah, yeah, And I just worry about it.
Speaker 1: Just the thing that gets me, like if he came
Speaker 1: out this is so dumb, but if he came out
Speaker 1: and ran and jumped, well, I would have him in
Speaker 1: the top twenty, which is no, he'll run and jump
Speaker 1: with but he hasn't done it, and on film, I don't.
Speaker 1: In film, I'm not. I have questions about it. And
Speaker 1: if I had the GPS data, i'd probably feel differently.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how athletic he is. Like I
Speaker 1: watch him against Ohio State covering Marvin Harrison Junior, and
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior's a beast, but at times it looked
Speaker 1: like he wasn't on the same field with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's hard for me.
Speaker 4: Player for me, Like, I do definitely see all the
Speaker 4: versatility in but like I would like him to start
Speaker 4: out having like a home first, like whether it's like,
Speaker 4: you know he can, he can play safety and plays
Speaker 4: those parts. I liked him to have a majority of
Speaker 4: like one spot, just so he can because you know,
Speaker 4: it's not it's not easy to learn all those different
Speaker 4: positions as in secondary like in the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of players out there who've tried
Speaker 4: it and they're sort of okay at in the NFL,
Speaker 4: but they're not always really what you expect them to be.
Speaker 4: I'd rather him start off at a position in one
Speaker 4: position first, and then as he grows, then he can
Speaker 4: start to do that.
Speaker 3: I think, I think think of him as a faster
Speaker 3: version of Andreo Row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, like that's the thing. Is he
Speaker 1: a faster version of Anshove? I think I know that
Speaker 1: play with this, but for me and I just needed
Speaker 1: I wanted to see him run.
Speaker 2: He hasn't run yet.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a private workout in April sometime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but until then, he's gonna be kind of in that
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty five range. For me, again, if
Speaker 1: Washington drafted him, I'm doing backflips. I think he's an
Speaker 1: awesome football player, it's just value.
Speaker 2: Top five Logan top five Talisi Fuaga, number five Tag
Speaker 2: from Morgan State, and that kind of ends my like
Speaker 2: second tier there and then my top tier, no surprise,
Speaker 2: And these guys could go in any order. This is
Speaker 2: just the order that I did it.
Speaker 1: Number four of Elite Neighbors, three Roma Dunze from U
Speaker 1: dub Marvin Harrison Junior, and then Dunt dunt dug Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams quarterback from USC number one.
Speaker 4: So five Romadunz, four, Joe Alt three Milite Neighbors, two
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior, and surprisingly to literally everybody in the world,
Speaker 4: Kady Williams.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rama Dunesay is five for me and Elik Neighbors
Speaker 5: is four and they are very close to me, like
Speaker 5: Razor thin. I could switch them back and forth. Three
Speaker 5: is Joe aught, two is Harrison Junior, and one Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6: We are not so different you and I guys at five,
Speaker 6: I got mister Drake May at four, Joe I at three,
Speaker 6: Rome Doomsday, I love you, dude, Marvin Harrison Junior at two,
Speaker 6: Kayler Williams at one on your list, where.
Speaker 3: On my list he was in the last section, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was number six for me.
Speaker 6: So why did you have him below May, and because
Speaker 6: I think Drake May is going to be way better
Speaker 6: than people think he is. When I see Drake May,
Speaker 6: I see Josh Allen, I see a hybrid of UH
Speaker 6: Detroit's quarterback Herbert, I see something and I don't think people.
Speaker 6: I think people judge him so hard because North Carolina
Speaker 6: just wouldn't. I'll let it as a school. I just
Speaker 6: take you in, showed me the player, let me watch
Speaker 6: some film on him. I tell you, does it translates
Speaker 6: to the next level. I think he translates. And I
Speaker 6: think because everybody putting him behind the eight ball, they're
Speaker 6: gonna have a lot to do with how he comes
Speaker 6: out blazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think only My only concern with him is
Speaker 2: just like these there's inconsistent moments.
Speaker 3: Oh, his bad moments are bay yeah, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and every player has them, but he's just has
Speaker 1: come at weird times like when they probably shouldn't. And
Speaker 1: then again, the highs are really high, and it's part
Speaker 1: of the reason why I think he has the highest
Speaker 1: ceiling outside of Keller Williams, of any quarterback in the
Speaker 1: class because he throws the ball so aggressively. But those
Speaker 1: inconsistent moments scare me a little bit. I also wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, two guys, Joe Alt's best sackle on
Speaker 1: the board, why I have Teleisi Fogg.
Speaker 4: Obviously, for me, it kind of goes back to what
Speaker 4: we were saying about some of marius Men stuff like
Speaker 4: somebody just looks kind of like he's asleep and that
Speaker 4: is easy for him. I feel like that's a lot
Speaker 4: of the same stuff with Joe Aalt. Like he's just
Speaker 4: technically sound, He's very physical. I think his punch is great.
Speaker 4: I think he waits for his defense wind to come
Speaker 4: and get him.
Speaker 7: In pass pressure.
Speaker 4: I think he's he's very methodical in what he does.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's some of the most beautiful things.
Speaker 3: So he's an vintite Notre Dame tech.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you when you draw up a no no
Speaker 6: to Dame tack and just put at on the back
Speaker 6: of his jersey. Because I have seen him before. I've
Speaker 6: seen him ten years ago, I seen him twenty years ago.
Speaker 6: It feels like Wisconsin Guard, like sometime you know what
Speaker 6: you're getting. I don't have to put a name on
Speaker 6: the back of the jersey. He feels Notre Dame tackle fifteen.
Speaker 7: Wildly nasty. I think it's a good what they say.
Speaker 6: Is religiously nasty, you know, because he's a good religious guy,
Speaker 6: so he religiously nasty.
Speaker 5: And then Jason, he feels he feels like the safest
Speaker 5: bet at that position, like the Flora is the highest
Speaker 5: and he has a high ceiling as well. But like,
Speaker 5: even if he doesn't turn into the great prospect that
Speaker 5: you would want, drafted him to pace maker the Flora
Speaker 5: solo like Fred saying, we've seen this guy and we've
Speaker 5: seen it work. Yeah, he's so big, he's still young,
Speaker 5: he's very strong, and he just bullies people and he's nasty.
Speaker 5: There is a nasty side to him that I think
Speaker 5: people tend to not talk about as much. But he's
Speaker 5: got to me, he's got all those things. Yes, there
Speaker 5: are things that he can work on. All of these guys,
Speaker 5: all of them do. But the floor is way up there.
Speaker 5: So when you get him, I feel like he's starting
Speaker 5: for you and you feel good about it.
Speaker 6: What everybody loves Marvin Harrison Junia and it's rightfully, So
Speaker 6: what is the gap between him and Rome and dudes
Speaker 6: David Yap Because to me, it ain't it ain't really
Speaker 6: no gap to me.
Speaker 5: I'll start this off. I think Malik Neighbors and Rama
Speaker 5: Dunzay are very close, and they're actually pretty close to
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison the more I think about it, because, like
Speaker 5: Joe aut the reason that Harrison I have so high
Speaker 5: as a receivers because I think it's floor is really
Speaker 5: really high. Yeah, I could see Rama Dunes being a
Speaker 5: better player.
Speaker 1: I definitely think Molik Neighbors of those three has the
Speaker 1: highest ceiling of the other group.
Speaker 5: Absolutely could yeah, absolutely, But the floor.
Speaker 3: Who would you'all.
Speaker 6: Comparison to elite Naghbors there? If you had to compare
Speaker 6: him to any former player player of Prayer playing.
Speaker 3: Now, who would it be?
Speaker 6: Because when I see Rome Doomday, I literally as much
Speaker 6: as I keep watching him, I see Jamar Chase and
Speaker 6: I feel like Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 3: One of the best wide receivers in the league.
Speaker 6: They body bill is the same, they run the same,
Speaker 6: almost the same speed, strong hands like when I watched
Speaker 6: when I watched Jamar Chay for the first time, the
Speaker 6: first thing I noticed was him just ripping the ball
Speaker 6: out there and nobody ever knocking the ball out of
Speaker 6: his hand. When I watched Doom Date. I see the
Speaker 6: same exac thing. So I say, Jamar Chase, when y'all
Speaker 6: see elite nables, what do y'all think?
Speaker 3: What comes to mind with y'all? Because it's been hard
Speaker 3: for me to place him.
Speaker 1: Like Odell Beckham's type of guy. I think with a
Speaker 1: little bit better yard like yard Jeffley catch, like he's
Speaker 1: got some real juice, and I think like he's got
Speaker 1: a competitive edge to him. I think the thing with
Speaker 1: a dude say that I always come back to is
Speaker 1: I don't he doesn't separate the same way like Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase did coming out of college. He doesn't have the
Speaker 1: same like diversity of rob training. That's not his fault,
Speaker 1: it's more of the offense. But I think he's he's
Speaker 1: got you know, he ran like a four four four seven,
Speaker 1: which isn't like super fast, so he's kind of like
Speaker 1: this ultimate possession receiver and I think, yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: that's a comp I like a little bit better. And
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase ran a four three six or something like that.
Speaker 1: He was scooting, So when I look at him, I
Speaker 1: just say, Milik Neighbors has more home run ability. I
Speaker 1: think roma Dunze has a professionalism, has a consistency to
Speaker 1: his game that is going to make him a good
Speaker 1: pro for a long time. And I think Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: Junior is kind of in that same boat, just with
Speaker 1: a little bit more juice, you know, and a.
Speaker 3: Little bit more often.
Speaker 2: It's kind of what I think. So they are really close.
Speaker 1: But that's why I think like Molik neighbors to me,
Speaker 1: when I watch him, it's the yards after the catch.
Speaker 2: It's the way he attacks the football, it's the way
Speaker 2: he can kind of there's something there. Now.
Speaker 1: He's not a perfect prospect, which is why I think
Speaker 1: his floor is also very low. But I think those
Speaker 1: three guys are.
Speaker 6: And in them shocked, which you because you'd like to
Speaker 6: cross your teens and that your ass.
Speaker 3: Rome is a better blocker than elite.
Speaker 2: He's great.
Speaker 1: He's very block and that whole all. Every every receiver
Speaker 1: from me, dub is very excellent. But again, like that's
Speaker 1: where it me schematically, like where do you go? Like
Speaker 1: are you going to San Francisco? Like just hypothetically where
Speaker 1: you have to block Miami and we can find you
Speaker 1: a spot, like we can get you open on play
Speaker 1: action stuff.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be the best like.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, hey, hey, like go win this one on one,
Speaker 1: Like just be bigger, stronger, faster, like go be Mike
Speaker 1: Evans out there. So I do think there is something
Speaker 1: to that for sure. But yeah, I think like the
Speaker 1: that's why they're in my top group is like if
Speaker 1: any one of them was on my team, I'd be
Speaker 1: super stoked. And I think they're all fairly close and
Speaker 1: like Kayleb Williams is in their more quarterback. I want
Speaker 1: to just touch on the Joe All thing real quick
Speaker 1: before we go. So I one thing about Joel and
Speaker 1: I felt the same way you guys did, and then
Speaker 1: I had a couple of conversations with the combine, went
Speaker 1: back and watched the film. He's not the athlete that
Speaker 1: I thought he was, and he's not and he's again
Speaker 1: he's young. He's a young guy, so he's a little
Speaker 1: stiffer than I thought, not the athlete that I thought.
Speaker 1: So there are there is some reservation there. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned high floor. I think the kid from Oregon State
Speaker 1: has a higher floor. I do think Joelt has a
Speaker 1: higher ceiling, if that makes sense. Like I think I
Speaker 1: think if you had to say who's going to start
Speaker 1: Day one, right now and be a better like kind
Speaker 1: of plug and play guy. No, I think it's fuaga
Speaker 1: can I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. He's got a little bit more. He's
Speaker 1: got a better physicality to the run game. He understands
Speaker 1: how to get vertical in his set a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to go watch Joalt do it tonight.
Speaker 1: He does not set vertically. He sets on a forty
Speaker 1: five with everything, which some teams like, and that's important,
Speaker 1: But can you physically set vertically? Because when you watched
Speaker 1: him at the combine in the vertical set drill, he
Speaker 1: was unable to do it. And now that might have
Speaker 1: been a coaching thing, but I look at that and
Speaker 1: I say, if when you set like that against a big,
Speaker 1: powerful rusher with some juice off the edge, you anna
Speaker 1: you are gonna collapse it outside shoulder or if they're
Speaker 1: running a game, you're in trouble. So that's where I
Speaker 1: was like, big as he is, this is a good question,
Speaker 1: and I so to me, to me, the issue with
Speaker 1: this this argument is Amarius Mims has to set vertically
Speaker 1: to if you're getting a stunt, right, So, if you
Speaker 1: have a three technique and a nine. I have to
Speaker 1: set vertically to post the three for the for the TT,
Speaker 1: for the for the ET excuse me right, and tackle stunt.
Speaker 1: If you can't do that, that's gonna be really challenging.
Speaker 1: I think he's an excellent football player, but he's not
Speaker 1: quite as physically developed as I thought he was. Now
Speaker 1: he's younger than everybody. He's like twenty, He's like Fashanu, right,
Speaker 1: So he's going to grow up and be something pretty special.
Speaker 1: But how long is that going to take? Is that
Speaker 1: going to take two years? Is that gonna take a year?
Speaker 1: Is that can take three years? So that's where I
Speaker 1: come out. I'm like, yes, he's a good player, Yes
Speaker 1: he's a good prospect, but in terms of floor day one,
Speaker 1: I just think there's a physicality to Filuaga.
Speaker 2: That is nice.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Zach, and I would I would say that, like,
Speaker 5: I don't have the nuances of the position that you
Speaker 5: guys do to be able to break it down like this,
Speaker 5: but I would say that as athletic as he is,
Speaker 5: as young as he is, and then any use to
Speaker 5: play tight end point and then they moved him, Like
Speaker 5: I feel confident he's coachable and I feel confident he
Speaker 5: could learn this and it is if it is a flaw, right,
Speaker 5: which I'm trusting you, right, it's a flaw because I
Speaker 5: can't see that stuff that I'm I'm betting on his
Speaker 5: history that that is something that can be good.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But I guess, like to me, like when I when
Speaker 1: I first watched him, I was like, lay up easy, right,
Speaker 1: And then you see some of these holes. You talk
Speaker 1: to guys of the combine and they bring that up,
Speaker 1: you know, like unsolicited, like I'm not as high on
Speaker 1: them as other people, Like I like this player better.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't Fuaga.
Speaker 1: Some people said to Mariusmims, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there it's and it's again. I think it goes
Speaker 1: back to the point of.
Speaker 2: This exercise that this player specifically is. It's flavor, it's style,
Speaker 2: it's what you value and what you think you can coach. Right,
Speaker 2: Like the guy I was talking, he said, I don't
Speaker 2: think I can coach physicality in the run game.
Speaker 1: So who's he going to prioritize more. He's going to
Speaker 1: prioritize because Waga is going to eat you alive. Right,
Speaker 1: that's like his deal. You got penalties this year for
Speaker 1: being too too physical the run game. Some people say,
Speaker 1: I want guys that can vertical set. You're gonna prioritize
Speaker 1: various memps because we don't care about outsides on run.
Speaker 1: It's flavors right, Troy Ftane right, or his ability to
Speaker 1: move and play outsides on think about him with Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: like on what he could do with him on screens
Speaker 1: and like it just it's this is just like the quarterback,
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the receivers. Styles make fights, man, And
Speaker 1: I think however you see these players and however you
Speaker 1: value them within your organization is going to cause you
Speaker 1: a big board to look drastically different.
Speaker 4: So as someone who like I said, I'm a stickler
Speaker 4: for the technique, like I'm not as worried about the
Speaker 4: foty time degree. I don't think as much as you
Speaker 4: because it's I feel like that's just I'm more curious
Speaker 4: if that's just like a habit because of coaching.
Speaker 7: If that's the case, then that should be it should
Speaker 7: be easy to fix.
Speaker 1: But to me, the thing that got me was when
Speaker 1: he went to this, when he went to the combine
Speaker 1: and they do a drill where they have to vertical
Speaker 1: set it's.
Speaker 7: A forty Remember, I think that's is that habit or
Speaker 7: that just because again I think.
Speaker 1: It's more of the more and I'm not disagreeing. But
Speaker 1: when I watch the film with Floago, he can forty five,
Speaker 1: you can vertical, he can jump, and so in terms
Speaker 1: of floor, and that was the comment you guys made,
Speaker 1: I think has got to higher floor now in terms
Speaker 1: of ceiling, I don't think there's any argument. I think
Speaker 1: Joel has a higher ceiling, Okay, because I think for Waga,
Speaker 1: like he's got thirty three in Charms, he kind of
Speaker 1: is who he is as a player. Yeah, he can
Speaker 1: come in and start today, but he's going to be
Speaker 1: that guy his whole career, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I think Joe All could progress into something so
Speaker 1: and that's why you're taking him as a top five
Speaker 1: guy in the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, well it's three versus one, so we're right, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right. But I thought it was a
Speaker 2: good conversation. That'll know, it's a great conversation. That will
Speaker 2: probably change. That will probably change before the draft comes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2: The more film you watch, the more opportunity you have
Speaker 2: to look.
Speaker 7: It can probably change all all our lists could change tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, it almost changed that this morning,
Speaker 2: just to be clear, almost change that.
Speaker 5: I encourage our fans to make their own big boards here,
Speaker 5: like to go in right down. Yeah, compared to what
Speaker 5: we're doing, what others are doing, and yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: great exercise. Especially when all we do is talk about
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks. It like helps you kind of like slide
Speaker 5: figure out where exactly they line up with the rest
Speaker 5: of the talent in the draft is there are positions
Speaker 5: that can get overlooked.
Speaker 3: But it also make your own big bulls shows you did.
Speaker 3: It's just not a lot of talent that.
Speaker 2: There's well, there's not a lot of surefires.
Speaker 3: When you started to go through it, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: how many dudes in this.
Speaker 7: A three day gamble?
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that I come back
Speaker 1: with is like, there are talented things, but I think
Speaker 1: it's just important to identify the questions. Like Joe Walt
Speaker 1: is a great prospect, but I have questions about him.
Speaker 1: Woga is a great prospect, I have questions about him.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is a great prospect. Question I think I
Speaker 1: texted him, but I have questions, and if you go
Speaker 1: through everybody, maybe outside of Marvin Harrison Junior, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have pretty glarying questions about their ability to translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL level. And that's why this is such a
Speaker 1: That's why hit rate in the Draft is such a
Speaker 1: crafts show because it's not only how do I develop
Speaker 1: a quarterback? But how do I develop an Amarius Mims?
Speaker 1: You know, how do I make sure he's maximized to
Speaker 1: my system? And where's the location for that? And I
Speaker 1: keep going back to that, so fans, it's not about
Speaker 1: the guy, it's about how the guy fits the offensive
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator vision for the team.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 5: It's like dating. Yeah, yeah, you find someone in there
Speaker 5: the questions are you okay with That's that? My wife
Speaker 5: she's perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: You can't get everybody.
Speaker 3: You can't date everybody.
Speaker 1: It is what it is, absolutely so I think that's
Speaker 1: going to do it for today. Thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for joining the Ticket of the Draft podcast and
Speaker 1: make sure you tune in. Are we doing one next week?
Speaker 1: Is that we're doing We'll try We'll try to do
Speaker 1: one next week. Makes you tune in, Thanks guys.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it