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Speaker 1: In today's episode of Take It to the Draft Podcast,

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Speaker 1: we got Russell Wilson, Justin Field, Sam Howel, to Seattle,

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Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks, all these picks moving around the NFL.

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Speaker 2: What does it mean for the Commanders? Stay tuned to

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Speaker 2: find out.

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Speaker 1: And we got big boards, Top fifty, Zach Selby, Fretzmoot,

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Speaker 1: just the Guy Jason, and I give you our top

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Speaker 1: fifty players and how these top fifty players.

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Speaker 2: Fall in this trap. Make sure you check that out.

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Speaker 2: It all starts right out.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft podcast, presented by Seek,

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Speaker 1: the official primary taking partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm

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Speaker 1: Logan Paulson here with the eclectic group of talent evaluators,

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Speaker 1: Fred Smoot, Zach Selby, and Jess the guy Jason, who

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna start calling him? What'd you call

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Speaker 1: it mel Kuiper last week?

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Speaker 3: No, No, Jason Guiper, Jason.

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Speaker 4: I think we're just a combine Jason Paulson, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: coming in.

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Speaker 3: He came back a different guy.

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Speaker 1: So I got in here at nine when we're all

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Speaker 1: supposed to get here on time today, unlike the rest

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Speaker 1: of you guys, and Jason.

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Speaker 2: Was in here grinding tape at I.

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Speaker 5: Got in a little early because I was looking at

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Speaker 5: my list that we're gonna do. We're gonna do the

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Speaker 5: top fifty on our personal big boards today and I

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Speaker 5: was looking at it and I was like, is this right?

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Speaker 5: So I just started pulling up film to see, Like.

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Speaker 6: That's what telling evaluators do, all right, That's what you

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Speaker 6: do anytime you have a feeling that something ain't right,

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Speaker 6: you go back to the feed.

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Speaker 7: Everything written in pencil until definitely exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is written in pencil. So as Jason said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do our we each did a big board today. Yep,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go through those in a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: first we cannot escape the quarterback talk. Dunt dunt, duh.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit different quarterback talk today though, right,

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Speaker 1: because we got trades. We got Russell Wilson and Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields to the Steelers, obviously Sam Howell to the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, bringing Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson in and then adding Justin Fields for a six

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Speaker 1: round pick. I know we were in our production meeting, Fred,

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Speaker 1: you had some strong feelings about it, So why don't

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Speaker 1: we start with.

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Speaker 2: You yeah, and just kind of say you think it's

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Speaker 2: a good move that they did.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a great move. Now they don't have

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Speaker 6: to trade up to get a quarterback. It's set of

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Speaker 6: them at quarterback. They got two options. They got the

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Speaker 6: veteran who won the Super Bowl already, who's trying to

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Speaker 6: rebuild his career. They got the youngster who's trying to

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Speaker 6: find himself that could be your future. Like I think

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Speaker 6: in that quarterback room, they're set, and Russell might not

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Speaker 3: Week ten if things go downhill.

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Speaker 6: But I think with Justin Fields, what they have there

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Speaker 6: is a guy that you could easily pick up his

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Speaker 6: fifth year option. He brings a lot to that offense.

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Speaker 6: You got pickings on the outside, you got Washington and Title,

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Speaker 6: you got guys fire tight, you have guys that you

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Speaker 6: got a running game to protect him. I think Justin

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Speaker 6: Field has been dealt the worst hand of any quarterback

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Speaker 3: He went to Chicago Bears coach got fired, and he.

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Speaker 6: Had to learn the whole new office and now even

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Speaker 6: had to learn another new offense. I'm glad with this

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Speaker 6: new offense he gets to sit behind rush though and

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Speaker 3: While he figures out how to play in his offense.

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Speaker 4: No, I think it's that if there's anything such as

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Speaker 7: Is not getting paid that much.

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Speaker 4: So you can exercise Justin Fields fifth your opting if

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Speaker 4: you really really want to and not have to have

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Speaker 4: to go into a whole lot of cap space issues,

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Speaker 4: and you can.

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Speaker 7: You can let him learn.

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Speaker 4: But also Justin Fields is a highly talented athlete. You

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Speaker 4: can possibly even resign in a couple of years if

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Speaker 4: you're really to want to, if you really think he's

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Speaker 4: got the opportunity in the ability to do so. Now

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Speaker 4: with Russ, like there's he's obviously not Seattle Russ anymore.

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Speaker 4: Like that's very clearly, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's no longer

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Speaker 4: he's not worth cooking what he needs to be cooking anymore.

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Speaker 4: But I think he still has enough to kind of

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Speaker 4: but almost like he could be even a bridge quarterback

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Speaker 4: now if you really need a quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: So, and I think he can win you some games,

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Speaker 4: he can keep them competitive while also letting justin Field,

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Speaker 4: he's still got a lot of the things he can

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Speaker 6: And think about this Pittsburgh Cuffs playoff team with a

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Speaker 6: you bring in Russell and you bring in Justin Fields,

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Speaker 6: I think that makes you more dangerous at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: And don't forget this is a team that puts all

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Speaker 6: don't forget between the running game and the defense, which

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Speaker 6: you have a quarterback starts we'll be protecting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting though, Like you know, I think about

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Speaker 1: it from a team building perspective, and is there like

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Speaker 1: what's the value for Fields for the six round pick,

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Speaker 1: especially because you do have to give him the franchise

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Speaker 1: you do have to give him if your option right.

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Speaker 1: And I do think like one of the reasons you

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Speaker 2: A decision about his fifth year option.

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Speaker 1: You're really just getting a rental for this one year

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Speaker 1: of cost control Justin Fields, and then you're kind of

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Speaker 1: obviously Russell Wilson will be up, Justin Fields will be up.

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Speaker 1: So are they kind of lighting that six round pick

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Speaker 1: experien I know a lot of people are very high

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Speaker 1: in this move, but for me, it's like, you really

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Speaker 1: I guess you could go to the Green Bay route

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Speaker 2: Outside of that fifth year.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the media are really high

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Speaker 1: on it. When I talk to people around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, just In Fields, They're like, not like

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Speaker 6: About this logan how much money out of spending in

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Speaker 6: the quarterback room in Picksbury.

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Speaker 1: Right, but they got us. What I'm saying is like

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Speaker 1: you're you're buying yourself a year of quarterback points. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then Rustles up, right, I'm assuming, and then Fields

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Speaker 1: Ruster and all of a sudden that room can become

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Speaker 1: very expensive. And so that's the thing that I get

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Speaker 1: is like, what are you actually getting from these decisions?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get Fields in the building, You get

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Speaker 1: he fits in your in the structure of your your building.

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Speaker 1: But is that I don't know, is long term like

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's a low risk, high reward situation

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Speaker 4: because I mean it is still I mean, all draft

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Speaker 4: pics are important, but it is just a sixth ron

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Speaker 4: pick at the end of the day. And if you

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Speaker 4: potentially hit on Justin Fields, because we've seen what he

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Speaker 4: can do, right, especially with his legs, and you've seen

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Speaker 4: you've seen him kind of grow a little bit as

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Speaker 4: a passer. If he continues that development and you're like, hey,

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Speaker 7: Front pick for this guy.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's great, And I think I think, I

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Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of teams would actually do

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Speaker 1: One of the things about that that I find really

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Speaker 1: off schedule with their legs. And then this Arthur Smith offense, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just seems like kind of a weird fit. And again,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's value with the fields thing, because

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Speaker 1: already alluded to this, like they're a team that's built

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Speaker 1: in a good spot. But again, I don't I think

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Speaker 1: they're basically my conclusion after looking at this is there

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Speaker 3: Poulf a pound.

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Speaker 6: Is it one of the best quarterback rooms in the league?

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Speaker 6: Is it any one to two punch pot is stowing

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Speaker 6: quarterback backup that compares to these like the I don't

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Speaker 6: think I can think of as Kirking maybe behind a

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Speaker 1: I think everyone gets caught up with the name with

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Speaker 1: fields is the game, man, I think like you got

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Speaker 1: to think about what, like what's just just what's just

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Speaker 1: transpired in terms of value for him? And I think

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Speaker 1: if it was if it was another guy like, you

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, they just moved a guy that no one's

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Speaker 6: But I think that's a lion Pole's problem because I

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Speaker 6: it good, he dropped the value or to pick Dan

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Speaker 6: because now I know.

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Speaker 2: You haven't which may or may not be true, but yeah, but.

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Speaker 6: I just feel like Dean, you set yourself up for failure.

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Speaker 6: Because now I know you have to move this guy.

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Speaker 6: You've made everybody understand that you're taking Caleb Williams number one.

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Speaker 6: I'm not finna give you the I'm not finna give

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Speaker 6: you a second round pick for Jason Field when I

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Speaker 6: know you have to move them. So I think the

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Speaker 6: Chicago Bears their self front office tied their hands on it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I think the other thing, too, is like, there's so

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Speaker 4: can't really I can't have confidence late it's a pound

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Speaker 4: than he did the year before, but was still, like

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Speaker 4: we said, he's not Seattle Russ anymore at all. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Why not? Because he was not great in Chicago to

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Speaker 5: don't know what Justin Fields could be. And coming over

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Speaker 5: and like you've said, Fred, they are ten pass not

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but like you're gonna have to

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Speaker 5: Going to play.

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Speaker 6: He's going to blink. I think he's going to play,

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Speaker 6: like I think. I think it's a one hundred per

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Speaker 2: You just I think about the stuff you just talked about.

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Speaker 1: They're a defensive lead team that runs the football, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gonna be okay. So that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like everyone talks about. You're saying the system, is

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Speaker 1: is he gonna screw it up enough?

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Speaker 6: Because Justin Field would most definitely star at the year

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Speaker 6: justin Field package smart. It's gonna be like if you

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Speaker 6: when you know, because think about it, I got these

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Speaker 6: To keep Justin Fields out on the prize, I have

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Speaker 6: to put a package in for him to let him know,

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Speaker 4: I'd be curious to know how big that package is

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Speaker 7: And sprawl speculator, so you know when Arthur, when Arthur

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Speaker 7: So I don't think that.

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Speaker 4: To me, based on history, I don't think there's gonna

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Speaker 4: as far as like draft is er game, the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: like that's and that's exactly what you think is going

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Speaker 7: Active with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 5: Well, we don't think they're going to go undefeed, and

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Speaker 5: we don't think they're going to be leading every single

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Speaker 5: going to do it, and that's when justin fields hits.

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Speaker 1: But then I don't know, I think I think that's

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Speaker 1: how it works, but I think no, But I think

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Speaker 1: like I think there's there I don't know. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like everyone in here is much higher on justin fields

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Speaker 1: I think it's been romanticized to a certain extent.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not a Justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: Hater, Like I think he's got talent, he's got ability,

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Speaker 1: thing that I come back to. It's like, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: And and I think, like, you're going to be in

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Speaker 1: the the player you're gonna run into it. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I think he's ever gonna get back. I

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Speaker 1: don't know it in to see if he ever gets

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Speaker 3: Think I think he is.

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Speaker 6: I think he will have a legit chance to do this,

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Speaker 6: and I think Pittsburgh is the perfect stop for him.

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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh ain't one of those places where they just looking

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Speaker 6: that he will have at Stowing next year regards if

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Speaker 6: he plays not or not, he would know the playbook.

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Speaker 6: He'll be cheap all right. So at the end of

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Speaker 6: the day, he will be the perfect mix for them.

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Speaker 6: And if they see any growth at practice, any growth, he.

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Speaker 4: Will be the staring quarterback next year because because Russell

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Speaker 7: Extension, Like I really do.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't, cause especially when you have a guy like

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Speaker 4: we hope and like you think that you can turn

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Speaker 4: him into something even better. Four years old exactly, he's

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Speaker 3: I'm just sorry. It's just so much hope there. And that's.

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Speaker 5: His Bonnicks.

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Speaker 3: He's twenty five years olt.

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Speaker 2: So where where did Canny Pickt go the Steelers?

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Speaker 7: Did he just got Philadelphia?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I don't able to play a gee.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So why are we all of

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Speaker 6: Pickett couldn't play last year, Like we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: But I think, I think it's so interesting that when

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Speaker 5: But I have eyeballs he stinks.

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Speaker 3: Kim Pickett stink.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, though, is in terms of production,

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Speaker 2: Field has improved. He's improved to like a bottom, Like

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Speaker 2: I think he's a twenty fifth quarterback in the NFL

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Speaker 2: in terms of those kind of advanced Kenny Pickett's thirty two. No,

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Speaker 1: So and again I'm not saying it's exactly a one

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Speaker 1: that brings his ceiling and I get it, but like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to keep him where he needs

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Speaker 2: He sells a lot of growth to do. And I

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Speaker 2: do think Fred.

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Speaker 1: You bring up a good point, he'll be in the building,

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Speaker 1: he'll have an opportunity to grow, and then you never

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Speaker 1: know what happens next year. But I just think there's

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Speaker 2: Whatever that word is.

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Speaker 3: I would don't exist.

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Speaker 4: We've also seen a year of what a canny picket

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Speaker 4: And justin Fields is can we all agree?

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Speaker 3: Can we all agree?

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Speaker 2: How do you characterize more?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: Is that thing?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 6: No, What I'm saying is, let's talk about each of

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Speaker 3: And I will say Kenny Piketts whose ceiling is.

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Speaker 6: Higher justin Fields because of the leagues, because he's on

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Speaker 6: the stronger because I'm willing to invest a little bit

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Speaker 6: more in him than I would the other project. Like

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Speaker 6: Kenny Piggy has shown me flashes of nothing a good

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Speaker 6: backup quarterback in his NFL. That's what Kenny pick.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Fields could be a starter with.

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Speaker 3: The right coach?

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Speaker 4: Ceiling is way higher with dustin Fields? I think your

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Speaker 4: ceiling you almost damn you hit your ceiling with Candy Picking.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 5: So another team that needs a quarterback, right, the Vikings

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Speaker 5: go ahead logan.

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Speaker 3: Logo.

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Speaker 5: No no, there's a lot of not commanders talk on it.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's I think that's good. I think

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Speaker 1: It's good for the Commanders to think about to right

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Speaker 1: eleven and twenty three is correct, right, So obviously they're

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Speaker 1: play is here? And who do you think would trade

444
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Speaker 1: with them given the opportunity.

445
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think the Commanders are that they could

446
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,359
Speaker 4: be in play for sure, because I mean, draft capital

447
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,040
Speaker 4: is so import especially in this draft w it's so

448
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 4: top heavy, and you can still get if you really

449
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,480
Speaker 4: want to get J. J. McCarthy, or you want to

450
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760
Speaker 4: get like O Nicks or any the other guys, you

451
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Speaker 4: could get those at eleven or twenty three. The Cardinals

452
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Speaker 4: are also I could also see them moving up. With

453
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals because they have Kyler Murray and I don't

454
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,960
Speaker 4: think they're going to move on from him.

455
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Speaker 7: At least this year.

456
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Speaker 3: They will. Harrison, I don't think they've moved.

457
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I agree, But at the same time,

458
00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,280
Speaker 4: like draft picks, that matters. So I do think, like

459
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Speaker 4: Amy were in that top five, I think it's very

460
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Speaker 4: well possible that they could move up and try to

461
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Speaker 4: get somebody there.

462
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Speaker 3: First of all, number five is the golden pick that

463
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Speaker 3: they're looking for.

464
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Speaker 6: You talking about the LA Chargers and you're talking about

465
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Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh got it wants to add more cheap talent,

466
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,480
Speaker 6: young talented team that he could shape and mold, and

467
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Speaker 6: you're giving him the number five PI you take the

468
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Speaker 6: number eleven pick, you still can get Brock Bowels hit

469
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Speaker 6: number eleven if you Hogebo. Now you still got the

470
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Speaker 6: twenty third pick. Now you can ask you offensive tackle

471
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Speaker 6: like you can do so much if you the charges

472
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Speaker 6: right there. I think the golden pick right there is

473
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Speaker 6: the Charges. It's not the Washington Commanders because we are

474
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Speaker 6: quarterback home Gry team. When now look at the quarterback

475
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Speaker 6: of Home the team that's not Home Greyen. Now the

476
00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,480
Speaker 6: Chargers stick out because they got Justin Herbert. So I

477
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,760
Speaker 6: think that's the golden pick right there at number five.

478
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Speaker 2: So for me, I think I don't disagree with you.

479
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 2: I think that's a really nice trade up spot.

480
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Speaker 1: But the problem that I have with that is, like

481
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Speaker 1: you are trading up if you go, what is that

482
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Speaker 1: five or six there at six right five?

483
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Speaker 2: Day at five five, you're trading for the fourth quarterback.

484
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

485
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Speaker 1: You're trading up for jj Orboda whoever it is, right

486
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Speaker 1: and I and I don't think you packaged three first

487
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Speaker 1: round picks to get the trade up for the fourth guy.

488
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Speaker 6: Where you do if you feel like next year's quarterback

489
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Speaker 6: draft is not this year's quarterback draft, Like you know

490
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, It's like they.

491
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Speaker 3: Pay people panic people make panic move but.

492
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Speaker 1: I think if I'm if I'm them, I want to

493
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Speaker 1: give myself the like I think, I look at San

494
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Speaker 1: Francisco a couple of San Francisco the forty nine ers

495
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Speaker 1: couple years ago as the model, like where they traded

496
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Speaker 1: up to two or trade up to three to get

497
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Speaker 1: the second guy, and I think, like, that's ultimately like

498
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Speaker 1: what you're looking at here, right, It's like how high

499
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Speaker 1: can I get to ensure that I get the most

500
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Speaker 1: valuable player at the position.

501
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Speaker 2: That I'm looking for? Right?

502
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be like boxed into the fourth player.

503
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Yeah.

504
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 3: Totally understand.

505
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 6: But then it has to be a New England trade

506
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Speaker 6: because they feel like they got too many holes to

507
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Speaker 6: just throw a quarterback up in there.

508
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Speaker 2: And I think that's to me, that would be the move.

509
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 5: True for here too. I feel like we do have

510
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 5: a lot of holes that we're filling in free agency,

511
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 5: but we're still in team building mode to me, unless

512
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 5: you're if you're two or three with or four?

513
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Speaker 3: Yeah, four is Arizona, Arizona.

514
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Speaker 2: You're not four, so fun, But Arizona I think could

515
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 2: trade out too.

516
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Speaker 3: But well, I say three or five is the Golden locks.

517
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Speaker 5: Right, if you're not falling in love with whoever that

518
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 5: pick is going to be, whoever that quarterback is going

519
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Speaker 5: to be, then back up, like why not?

520
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Speaker 2: Like you?

521
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 5: In my opinion, you have to be in love with

522
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 5: either Drake may or Jena Daniels or JJ McCarthy to

523
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 5: not move back.

524
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Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing. JJ is who everybody's following in

525
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 6: love with. He's the odd man out of the top three.

526
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 6: Talk he's like, think about the Tour Draft, think about

527
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 6: the Joe Burrow Draft. That draft right there, you could

528
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Speaker 6: get a good quarterback and you didn't have to be

529
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Speaker 6: at number one like this. The thing is, I think

530
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Speaker 6: people feel like, from Cayleb Williams to Michael Pennix, anybody,

531
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Speaker 6: I feel like these guys, if they get with the

532
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Speaker 6: right team, right coach, in white situation, then all these

533
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 6: guys could secede in the NFL.

534
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Speaker 3: Do you feel that way? Yeah?

535
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Speaker 2: But if that's true, then why don't you just stand

536
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 2: picking a up?

537
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Speaker 3: Yea?

538
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Speaker 7: Because I think JJ will be there at eleven.

539
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Speaker 3: I don't know that.

540
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Speaker 1: But to Freend's point, BO or Pennix or JJ potentially

541
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Speaker 1: like it's not outside their own possibility, but one of

542
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Speaker 1: those three dudes will be there at eleven. Yeah, and

543
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: so if you think that's true of all those guys,

544
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Speaker 1: then you don't need to package that twenty third pick

545
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Speaker 1: to move up. But it does feel like that they've

546
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Speaker 1: kind of identified a talent and from you know, the

547
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 1: rumor mill given. You know, give that the due credit,

548
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: you know it deserves it. Like I don't know all

549
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: the yes, all the asterisks possible, Like they say they

550
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: want Drake May.

551
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Speaker 2: So if you want Drake May, you got to come

552
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,239
Speaker 2: to two. You got to you got to come to two.

553
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 2: And I think like that's as much as we want

554
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Speaker 2: to talk about, not.

555
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 3: Three, not three, because everybody's saying to ensure it, you

556
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 3: have to get there.

557
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 5: You have to hope that commanders take.

558
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Speaker 6: But a consolation prize of jayde Daniels is not that bad,

559
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 6: you know, if you if you get to three, you know,

560
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Speaker 6: I'm just.

561
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Speaker 2: Saying no, and I think we're all saying the same

562
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 2: thing here.

563
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Speaker 1: But I guess for me, if they want to get

564
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: all the way up to that to their guy apparently

565
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: is Drake May, you got to get to two. And

566
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Speaker 1: so I think for the commanders it's really interesting because,

567
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: like I look at teams that have been very successful

568
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: of the last couple of years, and you know they've

569
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: there's two models. One is you have Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow,

570
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Speaker 1: or Josh Allen. The other model is either the San

571
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers or the Philadelphia Eagles before they

572
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: paid Jalen Hurts, right, where the team is so saturated

573
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: with talent that they can support and insulate and protect

574
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Right, It's kind of the same thing we're

575
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: talking about Pittsburgh. Is it worth it to build that

576
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: kind of like quote unquote super team and then just

577
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: be able to put kind of whoever you want in there,

578
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: Put justin fields, put Kenny pick at, guys that aren't

579
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: necessarily top flight players but are elevated.

580
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Speaker 2: By the roster in good point calling. Yeah, I don't know,

581
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: And I think when you look at the history of

582
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: that elite quarterback guy, anybody who doesn't have the elite guy.

583
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: So if you're Peyton.

584
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Speaker 1: Manning, you're looking at your outside looking in a lot

585
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: of years, Aaron Rodgers outside looking at a lot of years.

586
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: When you're looking at this group with Patrick Mahomes and

587
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: you've got Josh Allen looking in, Joe Burrow looking in, like,

588
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: is it better? Is a more viable option to get

589
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: you to a super Bowl in five years? Build up

590
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: the roster so that you can't lose that last game

591
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: and you give yourself a shot against the best player

592
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: in football. Like that, That's what I come to here,

593
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: and like that's essentially the argument you're having in terms

594
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: of how to build this thing out, Like do you

595
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Speaker 1: think Drake may or Jane Daniels or even Caleb Williams

596
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: can be a top five player at the position, because

597
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: then the roster is less important. If you don't believe that,

598
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: then the roster has to elevate to elevate that position.

599
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: Let me give you all a hypothetical and give me

600
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 5: your percentage and the chance that something like this could happen.

601
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 5: Let's say the Vikings want to move up to two

602
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: with us, so we trade back. We trade back to eleven.

603
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 5: We grab their eleventh pick, their twenty third that they

604
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 5: just got from the Texans, We grab their second round

605
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 5: in a first round. It's probably what it's going to take. Ye,

606
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 5: that's a lot, right, But we still want a quarterback.

607
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 5: Let's say we're happy with the fourth guy whoever that is, Yeah,

608
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy Bonix. The Chargers want to move back, so

609
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 5: we move from the eleven back up using some of

610
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 5: the capital, not all of it that we just got.

611
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: So now you're getting a starting quarterback at five that

612
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: you're happy with, and you still have a nice haul

613
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 5: of picks, complete built, complete building this roster. That feels

614
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: like a lot, right, Like everybody has to be willing

615
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 5: partners in this, Like we can't just madenforce trade this,

616
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 5: but that feels like something possible.

617
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Speaker 6: Fluid draft day is possible. A fluid a day'll come

618
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 6: in and say, you know what, we got to pose

619
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Speaker 6: the field. Let's manipulate the draft in our own way.

620
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 6: If you manipulate the draft by going down and coming

621
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Speaker 6: back up. Now you got the pedal to the metal

622
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 6: at that time. First of all, you understood that the

623
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Speaker 6: second and the fourth quarterback are not that different. That's

624
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Speaker 6: what you're saying. Like in your eyes, you're saying that

625
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 6: these guys are really jumbled together. So it don't matter

626
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 6: which one of these guys I get. I want more players,

627
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 6: all right, So it's all about what who is that

628
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 6: second person in the first round that you just I

629
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 6: gotta have.

630
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Speaker 3: Is it a lot too a lot to the past Russia?

631
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: Or is it verse? Is it a tackle?

632
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 6: Like who is making you force your hand to do this?

633
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 6: To say, you know what, I need both of these

634
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 6: guys and the only way to get them is to

635
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 6: trade out of the top two.

636
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that's a that's a great point.

637
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: And like, honestly, I think when you like sit down

638
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: and parcel it out, I don't know if there is

639
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: that big of a discrepancy between you know, the third

640
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: guy and the fourth guy, like it's it's situation dependent

641
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: for sure. But if you could add again, like on

642
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: a roster right now, that is kind of re retooling, rebuilding,

643
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: whatever do you want to use there. I do think

644
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: the extra draft capital would be extremely valuable, and especially

645
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: if you think that again, like this is what you

646
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: have to think as an evaluator.

647
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm.

648
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: There yet, but that Jade, there's not that big of

649
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: a difference between JJ and Drake May. And there are

650
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: some people like you can find them look on the

651
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: internet and you can find them anywhere and they'll give

652
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: you that they'll say that that's how they feel about

653
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Obviously Minnesota doesn't feel that way.

654
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Speaker 4: So I do think you're kind of expediting your your

655
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: team building if you kind of do both of those

656
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: that you trade down in trade beck up, Because yeah,

657
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: you are also because like you said, this team does

658
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: have a lot of holes even though they've been added

659
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 4: about a billion players in free and so they still

660
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 4: need a whole lot of other key players there. But

661
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: you also if you can trade back up and get

662
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Speaker 4: a guy that maybe isn't didn't have as high a sealer,

663
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: isn't as talented as maybe some other guys out there,

664
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: like you still and you feel like you still win

665
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: with them, Like I feel like that's definitely a possibility,

666
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: especially if you feel like you can know a bit

667
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 4: the roster around them too.

668
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

669
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 6: Onder, but I really feel good about what Peters is

670
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 6: doing for to me, he's peeling the onions slowly.

671
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: He bringing all these free agents to build a roster.

672
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 6: Then he drafts and over the years he lets the

673
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 6: free agents go and replaces them with draft picks, and

674
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 6: that's how he builds his team. So we had to

675
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 6: have this big flurry to get these guys on his roster,

676
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 6: and he bringing in guys this x first rounders and

677
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 6: guys that you know what, if they do catch fire,

678
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 6: I found this diamond in the rough.

679
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: So I like the slow.

680
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: Progression that he's doing, but it's to me, it's still

681
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 6: pedal to the metal, Like it's not slow building. To me,

682
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 6: he's fast cooking in the crock pot. But he also

683
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 6: understands where he wants to get to. And that's a

684
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 6: draft laden team build by the draft, but this year

685
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 6: it had.

686
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: To be built through free agency.

687
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that real quick.

688
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: So obviously one of the moves they made was they

689
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: moved on from Sam Howell and they acquired fourth round

690
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: the third round pick, yes seventy years there ago. I

691
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: was reading my It's trung, So I just wanted to

692
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: talk about that real quick because you got, like fred

693
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: Ya hit that perfectly right. He's trying to kind of

694
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: lay the foundation with some good leadership, some older players,

695
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: not long term solutions, and then build through the draft.

696
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: I talent through the draft, I guess the way to

697
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: put that. And so how do you feel about this

698
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: moving on from Sam Howell for the acquisition of draft capital,

699
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: especially in the top one hundred of this draft.

700
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 6: I think your hand with force, because you know you're

701
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 6: bringing in a young quarterback. I can't have young teaching

702
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 6: the young, blind leading the blind. I need a veteran

703
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 6: in here to help coach and help more support this

704
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 6: young guy. I was shocked that Sam got so much

705
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 6: more than a jesting Fields. I was very shocked at

706
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 6: his quiety, his worth. But then I thought about it.

707
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 6: Seattle was in love with Sam out of the draft.

708
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 6: They wanted him. Then he didn't do no better than

709
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 6: he went up there in the game and lit him up.

710
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: So yes, I think they looked at him as a

711
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: viable starter, like I think they traded with a purpose

712
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 6: for Sam, like I think everybody else thinks he just

713
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 6: Gino schmilts back up. I think Seattle is looking at

714
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 6: Sam like he's our future. Like, don't forget Matt Hasselback

715
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 6: came to Seattle in the same similar fashion, and if

716
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 6: you look at his skill set is very met hassle Beck.

717
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 6: Like I think they browse Sam there for a reason.

718
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 6: I think Sam is their future story.

719
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: So I think that so interesting because like the Justin

720
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: Fields thing, comparison to Sam, how I think is really viable.

721
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to point out here

722
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: is Sam is under contract. He's price controlled for the

723
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: next three years, right, Yeah, And I think that's the

724
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: one thing with Justin Fields that I keep coming back

725
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: to again. I think Justin Fields is a dynamic player.

726
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I really do like he's a talent, right, but he's

727
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: not price controlled after this year, and so you're going

728
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: to have to either extend him.

729
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: Or move on from him.

730
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: And with Seattle, the value is the talent that Sam presents,

731
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: but also that he's under a rookie deal for the

732
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: next three years.

733
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Speaker 6: You know that you got the leverage on Justin Fields

734
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 6: because you have had this rocky story, Like, I don't

735
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 6: have to pay you top of the market.

736
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: But I think that's the concern if you're like if

737
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: you're Chicago, for example, Like let's just say, like if

738
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: they didn't trade him, you have to make a decision

739
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: about him financially. Let's say they were to keep him, Yeah,

740
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: in In you know forty what is that twelve months basically, right,

741
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: And I think that when you look at it from

742
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: that perspective, you might not need.

743
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: To pay him top of the dollar, top of the

744
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: market value.

745
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: But a quarterback is expensive and I'm not sure that

746
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: you could get him cheap, you know what I'm saying. Like,

747
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: so that's so that that's why in this situation moving Sam,

748
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: he's price controlled value. There you can be in your system.

749
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: You can protect him, you can insulate him, you can

750
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: foster him, you can grow him. Unlike Justin who is

751
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: there for a year and then you've got to make

752
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: make a contract decision.

753
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 7: Well no, and don't forget they have to make a

754
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 7: decision on that fifth year in like two months.

755
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's in the fifth year. Don't you

756
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: worry about that? Now?

757
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 6: What they will do is do a clean sleep Keen

758
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 6: slate deal, just a short deal, two to three year deal.

759
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Like trying to get him on an extension.

760
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think Pittsburgh understand as long as he's

761
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: in the buildings a to us to let him out.

762
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 7: Count down the Packers there with Jordan love Ye, I'm.

763
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: Going to say, it's up to us to let him out.

764
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 6: But we got him now and we'll be best in

765
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 6: line to negotiate with him because especially if we don't

766
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 6: play him, like if we don't play him in Russ plays,

767
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 6: how easy is it going to be to negotiate with

768
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: Jason fields as a store in quarterback. It's gonna be

769
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Speaker 6: very easy.

770
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Speaker 2: It'd be really astuted to see. But yeah, I do

771
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: think that.

772
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons you see the

773
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Speaker 1: discrepancy there in value. So let's talk about some Washington footballer.

774
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Jason, Yeah, I think that's a

775
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: good idea. We're going to do our top fifties on

776
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: our big boards. Each of us is going to go

777
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: through and give them. So here's Washington's first six.

778
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 5: Picks in the draft and why the top fifty is

779
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: important here for our listeners. So we have a first

780
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Speaker 5: round number two overall, we have the number thirty six,

781
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 5: the number forty from Chicago that was the Montes Sweat trade.

782
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 5: We have the sixty seventh trade. We have this seventy

783
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 5: eighth sixty seventh pick, seventy eighth pick from Seattle that's

784
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 5: from Sam Howe. And then we have the number one

785
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: hundred from San Francisco that was Chase Young.

786
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: Chase Young.

787
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: So when we do these top fifties, good chance some

788
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 5: of these players might be here on the Washington roster.

789
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: A very good chance, very very good chance. Yeah.

790
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: So the point of this exercise is to show that

791
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: for every single talent evaluator from somebody that really grinds it,

792
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 5: like Logan, former players like Fred, a staff writer like Zach,

793
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: and just a guy like me, that we all value

794
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 5: things differently and how the player falls on our big

795
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 5: board is different than how we think they will be drafted.

796
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: That is a very clear something I need to say,

797
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 5: very clearly, right, this is not the order we think

798
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: they're going to go in the draft. This is just

799
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: how we personally rank these players, no doubt, very very

800
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: important to keep in mind. We'll ever fans get all there.

801
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: This is the first time like i'd ever like made

802
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: a big board. So I was looking for like some inspiration,

803
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: you know, and the time that I was looking at

804
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: and like everyone's i'd YoY on. It is completely I

805
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: mean I've seen somewhere they value all the quarterbacks in

806
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: like the top ten, some some similar, a little more,

807
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: a little more spread out. Like it's it's it's almost

808
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: like you know, you mad drafts are kind of eventually

809
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: all everyone kind of picks.

810
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 7: The same people at some point. Yeah, it gets closed.

811
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but big boards, it's like it's like in

812
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: Jurassic Park when they're trying to like close the doors

813
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: for the velocirapher get then it's like a sea of data.

814
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 7: That's exactly what big boards are like, cause they're all different.

815
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: Right, exactly. So that's a good place to start, Zach,

816
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: why don't you tell us what how did you craft

817
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 5: your big board? What did what were the things that

818
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 5: you were thinking about when it's like why this guy

819
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: over this guy?

820
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: Well, so essentially what I was doing was I was

821
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure because out I will say, okay,

822
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: who who are you go at the top? Who the

823
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: guys are thinking at the bottom, and who are some

824
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: guys I think are kind of in the middle, right,

825
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: And so I would separate it by fives, so I

826
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: would go these are top five, these are bottom five,

827
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: and then I worked down from there and eventually, you know,

828
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: I would I come up. I'm kind of almost like

829
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: a scatter point thing, right, I'd to say, all right,

830
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: this guy goes here, this guy goes here. And then

831
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: as the more players I got on there like well,

832
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 4: actually I think this player goes above, or I think

833
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: this guy goes a couple of couples posts below, and

834
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: then obviously some guys like hey, I don't really know

835
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: that too much about him. So let me watch some

836
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: film on him, let me like do some little bit

837
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: of reading under see where he goes. And I think, oh,

838
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: like he goes a little bit higher.

839
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 7: Maybe a little bit lower. So it was definitely an

840
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 7: interesting exercise to do for sure.

841
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm curiously which I'll think about it,

842
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: but I think I've got a pretty solid obviously, you know,

843
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: as a former offensive lineman, Like, I've got a lot

844
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: of offensive linemen on my board, which is also good

845
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: because this year's draft has a lot of good ones

846
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: on there. But I'll say there's a lot of edge

847
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: players out there that I really like, a lot of

848
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: receivers obviously, the quarterbacks are stuff around there in the

849
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: top twenty. So but yeah, I'm, like I said, I'm

850
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: very curious.

851
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 7: See how everyone's going to react to this?

852
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 5: Do you make curious?

853
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, I go like, kind of what

854
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I think is like a surefire prospect or as close

855
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: to surefire as you're going to get. So I have

856
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: like a group of like one to four at the

857
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: top of my thing, and then I go kind of, well,

858
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: who has who are like high floor players that I

859
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: think are going to be good pros, like right out

860
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: the gate, and I've got between five and fourteen are

861
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: those kind of that chunk of players, and you know,

862
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: like obviously there's some flex there, like as the process

863
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: goes on, I might add one to the top group

864
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: or take one away or whatever it is. And then

865
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: there's like kind of the guys that I think are

866
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: potentially like home run players, but there's a question with

867
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: their game, you know, like there's an issue with the evaluation.

868
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: They all have issues, but there's like pretty glaring questions.

869
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: Like just as an example, fifteen to twenty three, I've

870
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: got JJ McCarthy in there because I think.

871
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: His ceiling's very high.

872
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I think he's very, very talented, but you know, he

873
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: hasn't thrown the ball ton, so I don't know for sure,

874
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: right And then I've got kind of like guys that

875
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I think it'd be solid, like solid starters at the

876
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: NFL level, but there's more questions as you go down

877
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: the list, there's more questions, and I try to clump

878
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: them together in a way that kind of meets my brain.

879
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: Function, you know what I'm saying.

880
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: So like from twenty four to forty, kind of guys

881
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: that I think are going to be good players in

882
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: the NFL. And then guys that I think forty one

883
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: to fifty that I think are talented that right now

884
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: probably aren't starters, but I think have the work ethic,

885
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: the physical profile to be something more.

886
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I broke it up. And

887
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: it just kind of gets down the list.

888
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: So as you go down the list, there's just more

889
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: and more questions about a player, and as you go

890
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: up to the top there should be fewer and fewer,

891
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: especially from the film, which is our evaluation tools. That's

892
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: kind of my my process.

893
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my first big board too, and I

894
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: think I want to say sorry for is every year

895
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: I do this, I'm always like, this is the most

896
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: subjective thing of all time.

897
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, yea, every year I do it. That's exactly

898
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: what I was going to say. This is completely subjective

899
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: when I was making my big board, because I wanted

900
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 5: to be true to myself and what I saw, and

901
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 5: like it was hard for me not to get pulled

902
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 5: to like what Daniel Jeremiah sets or what PFF says

903
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: because I look at their boards to be like, am

904
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 5: I like way off basic? And every now and then

905
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 5: I would be and I'm like I had to fight it,

906
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: and a part of me was like, well is it

907
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: confirmation bias? And I'm fighting So it's just an internal

908
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 5: struggle to make this.

909
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: Look it's looking at a piece of art like there's

910
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: technically no wrong answer, but there's also like, clearly you're

911
00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 4: off base.

912
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 7: Why certain thing?

913
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: If Kayla Williams is like my tenth best player, like

914
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: what like I can't even like take that serious, right?

915
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: So what I what I did to try and mesh

916
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 5: these two this conflict that I was emotionally having with

917
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: this was I tried to do like a tier system,

918
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: right basically, first, like, these are guys that I think

919
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 5: are going to be very good players, maybe not right away,

920
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 5: but they have the ceiling to be very good players

921
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: with little downside, so high floor, high ceiling, right kind

922
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: of thing. And then then I would put in the

923
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 5: tiers of like, well, the home run hitters could be

924
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 5: in here, or they could not fan out, or they

925
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 5: could be solid. It's it's kind of that middle group.

926
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 5: And then guys that like show a trait or a

927
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 5: couple of traits that are like wow, if that hits,

928
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 5: that's good, or they have a lot of good things

929
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 5: and there's one glaring trait, like you said, Logan weird.

930
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 5: It's like, maybe that doesn't work out. And then once

931
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 5: I made those tiers where they're in no particular order,

932
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 5: then I went in and I just like, I just

933
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 5: trusted myself. I was like, based on if I was

934
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 5: having to take this guy or this guy, who would

935
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: I take? Everything equal, not looking at how a team

936
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: structured Alex Pitcher anything, just who would I take? And

937
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 5: I had to go back to the film a lot

938
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 5: because I would look at two guys next to each

939
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 5: other be like, why do I like you more than

940
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 5: the other? And I couldn't answer that except kind of dead.

941
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: So I had to go back and rewatch it. And

942
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 5: that's what I was doing this morning. I had to

943
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 5: rewatch some stuff just to feel confident about this.

944
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 7: And Fred, and to that point, I literally just made

945
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 7: a change.

946
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah there, you know this is going to be ever flowing,

947
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 5: ever flowing our big boards? Fred, how did you create

948
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 5: your big board? I try to look at guys and

949
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 5: I do tears, like you said, I do my tears.

950
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 5: I do who do I think could be a future

951
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: pro bowler?

952
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: Superstar?

953
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 6: I do Who's going to be a Day one starter,

954
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 6: who could develop into a starter, and who is pretty

955
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 6: much probably gonna be a backup.

956
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: All right, So we know this, and I think this

957
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: is what really blows the draft away.

958
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 6: No matter how close we get to getting these picks right,

959
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 6: all these players won't be good in the NFL.

960
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: And I think that's the scared report about it.

961
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 6: No matter how good they measure, no matter how good

962
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 6: they look at the combine, no matter how good the

963
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 6: film look, all of these guys will not be good pros.

964
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: So I try to group guys together. And when I

965
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: start to do that, I create a tree.

966
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 6: And once I started at the top of the tree

967
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 6: with my Caleb Williams the start of the tree, and

968
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 6: I get to the bottom of it, and it'll lay

969
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 6: these guys out. So I just lump them together and

970
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 6: make sure I try to I try to look at it,

971
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 6: not what you did in college. How's it gonna translate

972
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 6: to the NFL. And a lot of this, and I

973
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 6: hate to say, it has everything to do about where

974
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 6: these guys get drafted in It's kind of out of

975
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 6: their hand because you could be a good player to

976
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 6: get drafted in Chicago and you got a new head

977
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 6: coach next year. Like, so it's so many variables in

978
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 6: this so I try to be as fair as possible,

979
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: but also try I keep my feet on the ground

980
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 6: and understand that all these guys won't be good.

981
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

982
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 5: Absolutely. So here's how we're gonna do this process. We're

983
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 5: gonna count down from fifty to one, and uh, we're

984
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 5: just gonna fred you can start. Then it will be Logan,

985
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 5: so be me, and then the next time we'll talk about, hey,

986
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: what are some surprises where you see here?

987
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: What's a guy that sticks out to you here? Next

988
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: started out with oh, stat.

989
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: Is that concernative? All right, So that's where we're gonna Yeah,

990
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 5: we're gonna go fifty to thirty six, so roll right

991
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: on through.

992
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: So okay, so fifty I got Xavier Worthy Robins, You're

993
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: out of Texas forty nine, Patrick Paul Tackle out of Houston,

994
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: forty eight, Jordan Morgan tackle out of Arizona, Marshall Neelan

995
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: Edge Western Michigan forty six, Roman Wilson Robinsteriver, Michigan forty five,

996
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 4: Ricky Piersoll from Florida, Kean Coleman from FSU, Cooper Baybay

997
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: from Kansas State, Uh, Devandre Sweat Texas to Tavian Sanders

998
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: from Texas, Brandon Fisk from FSU. There's Zach Frazer from

999
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 4: West Virginia at Drian cooper A and m Troy Franklin

1000
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: from Michigan from Oregon, and then kool A McKinstry from Alabama.

1001
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Nice, very nice. Yeah, yeah, so a little surprised. I'm

1002
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: not surprised. I shouldn't be surprised. I actually forgot to

1003
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: put Cooper Bebe in my list. He's a guy that

1004
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: I think is really talented on the inside playing guard.

1005
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: How did you come to him? Like being in your

1006
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: top fifty and like what was the thing that was like?

1007
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: This is the guy?

1008
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: I think his footwork is really really good. I think

1009
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: he's like I'm just so in love with what he pulls,

1010
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: Like it's.

1011
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: It's you mentioned the poll in the last show. Its

1012
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: like there's nothing there's more to playing guard than pulling.

1013
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's so gorgeous. I know, I know, but

1014
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 7: like it's such a good I like him too.

1015
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: He's very physical, he finished his blocks like, uh, he's

1016
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: on film. Like when I watch him, I think I

1017
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 4: just smile every time I watch him, because like, I

1018
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: just think that's a damn good rep. Every time I

1019
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: see him.

1020
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a heck of a football playing when

1021
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this when I talked to some

1022
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: people at the Combine Molo line coaches, they were like,

1023
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: he's it was like, you know the guys you think

1024
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: it was like Troy uh Fatano and all these guys,

1025
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: but then and like Grant Barton, and then it was

1026
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: like Cooper Beabay was the third guy. You know, it

1027
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: wasn't like Christian Haynes. It was he was very very

1028
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: high people sowards. The other guy was Sanders from Texas

1029
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: to tight end making your top fifty.

1030
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: Why I think his ability as a receiver is obviously

1031
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 4: is really what I'm hoping for. Right He still needs

1032
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 4: to really work on his blocking, I would say, but

1033
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: I think in today's NFL, I think you kind of

1034
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: want you especially not as a number one tight end.

1035
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: I think you can you can work with him as

1036
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: a receiver and kind of let him develop as a

1037
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: blocker in time, I think, which is why he's not

1038
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: like he's still kind of.

1039
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 7: Sort of low on the fun of fifty.

1040
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was he what was your number one. I

1041
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: think he was forty one forty one.

1042
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so I think I like, I like the

1043
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 7: potential of what he could be.

1044
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1045
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: For me, it's interesting because like all these tight ends,

1046
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: even even what's his name block bowers to a certain extent,

1047
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: like what is your role at the next level? Like

1048
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: because you're not like he didn't run as well as

1049
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I was hoping Sanders didn't run as well as I

1050
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: was hoping. You're on like a four six nine four

1051
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: seven one. Yeah, so like you're not like a blazing

1052
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: fast guy. Are you a big slot because you can't

1053
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: really compete in line? Like what's your usage pattern? And

1054
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: I think that's what's scaring me off of guys like

1055
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: that in my top fifty obviously block buyers in my

1056
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: top fifty spoiler alert, But it makes me a little

1057
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: bit unsure, is like, how do teams use you when

1058
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: there are so many talented receivers that have different skill sets?

1059
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Like what I prefer him or Johnny Wilson to play

1060
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: the big slot, you know, just as a comparison, I

1061
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: get Johnny Wilson probably in the fourth round, maybe third round,

1062
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: depending on how you value him. But it just makes

1063
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: me think for the value of the pick in terms

1064
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: of big slot player that can run a full route tree.

1065
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: There's other guys like that that I may be like

1066
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Jase, you want to go through

1067
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: your fifty.

1068
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 5: Yeah I can. I want to say Zach that what

1069
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 5: I think is interesting is the wide receivers. Obviously, there

1070
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 5: are a lot of good wide receivers in this class.

1071
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 5: And I'm just curious on the back end here of

1072
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 5: our top fifty, who's going to make the cut for

1073
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 5: each of us individually, Because I have a lot of

1074
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 5: wide receivers. They're not the same as yours. Here is

1075
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 5: not the same as mine. There are a couple of overlaps,

1076
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 5: and it's just the wide receiver talk to me, is

1077
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: just going to be really interesting once I hear what

1078
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 5: Fred and Logan also have to say. But we agreed

1079
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: on number fifty because I started with Xavier Worthy from

1080
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 5: Texas to surprise the speedster. Yeah, he just snuck in.

1081
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 5: It's the forty. The forty pushed him in. I'm still

1082
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: concerned about his route running, the ability he's small with right,

1083
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: but yes, but there's something to that speed. It can

1084
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 5: be used and the whole Tank Dell thing kind of

1085
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: like throws a monkey wrench into evaluations. It can be good,

1086
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 5: all right. I have Ennis Reckchell Junior, the cornerback from

1087
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: Zer at forty nine, Patrick Paul the tackle from Houston.

1088
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: At forty eight. Jarvis Brownlee Junior, a guy I fell

1089
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 5: in love with at the Senior Bowl and just have

1090
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: been impressed with ever since. He's a cornerback from Louisville.

1091
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: Eighty Mitchell the wide receiver from Texas. Forty six, Devandre

1092
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: Sweat another Jason guy have forty five. Michael Pennix, the

1093
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 5: quarterback from Washington. Forty four Jonah Ellis and edge from Utah,

1094
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 5: Christian Haynes from Yukon, Javion Bullard the safety for Georgia.

1095
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 5: Mike Sandersill. He is a corner that is probably gonna

1096
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: be in slot, right, going to be in slot. I

1097
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: found myself surprised that I had him so high, considering

1098
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: he's kind of a specialist.

1099
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: And he's also small. But he's good football, Yes, very

1100
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: good football player.

1101
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 5: Chop Robinson, penn State. I have at thirty nine bo Nicks.

1102
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 5: Your friend's already mad I bo Nicks at thirty eight.

1103
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 5: Peyton Wilson, the linebacker from Incy State. And then rounding

1104
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 5: out this fifteen here I have Lad McConkie wi really

1105
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 5: from Georgia.

1106
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: Thirty six, Yes, thirty slower than I thought you'd have it,

1107
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: a little lower than.

1108
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 5: I thought he would go, but the right. That's why

1109
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about wide receiver. It's surprising because

1110
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 5: the ones I have in front of him, I think

1111
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 5: are I think you're maybe a little better better, so

1112
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: we're a little higher stealing.

1113
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: The one that I was surprised about there is Brownly

1114
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: from Louisville. And again he's a guy that you mentioned

1115
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: this on the last podcast. Film just okay, fine, It's

1116
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: like he does some good stuff, but it's nothing. He's

1117
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: had a great post season process. Senior Bowl was awesome,

1118
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Combine was awesome. How do you weigh that in relation

1119
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: to what his film is.

1120
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is one of those ones where I had

1121
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 5: to be true to myself. Right, Like I've heard all

1122
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 5: the time, do not fall in love with a guy

1123
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: based on the combine or like the outside football stuff.

1124
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: And he was okay right, Like I even I look

1125
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 5: back at my notes. When I first watched him, I

1126
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, good player, right, And then when he's

1127
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl one on one good looked really good.

1128
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 5: So it's like, uh, I see the something there, and

1129
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 5: this is kind of where like he does a lot

1130
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 5: of things, well nothing great, but then I saw great

1131
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl. So I'm not sure where to evaluate.

1132
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 5: Maybe it was a scheme thing, but maybe if it

1133
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 5: hits like I think he's about here.

1134
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: Just to give you an example, that's like why Darius

1135
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: Robinson has shot up boards.

1136
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 7: Right.

1137
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: You saw traits, you saw physicality, you saw heavy hands,

1138
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: you saw a pursuit.

1139
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: It put you in uncomfortable positions.

1140
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: But basically your point is he was playing five technique Missouri.

1141
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: He plays a true edge kind of stand up player,

1142
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: and he looks like that dude, So I think like

1143
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: maybe they're just using him differently at the Super Bowl

1144
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: and you see different skill sets, Fred, you got your Yeah,

1145
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: the thirty six.

1146
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: Fifty to thirty six fifty is Patrick Paul.

1147
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 6: We got his brother here in his uh and don't

1148
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 6: make me and it's Ray kraw I got him at

1149
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 6: forty nine. I got bow knicks at forty eight. I

1150
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 6: know this shock shot because y'all think I hate on

1151
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 6: bow knicks. I was attack because I think I played

1152
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 6: against his daddy.

1153
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: Now think about it.

1154
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 6: You think I got Brandon Fisk at forty seven, all right,

1155
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 6: Zach Frasier guard forty six a zaber look get because.

1156
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: None of y'all had him in y'all top fifty. I

1157
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: got him at forty or five?

1158
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 6: Accurate, he does, I got him at forty four. Malachai

1159
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 6: Crawley Cory. Yes, I think he is a faster Deebo

1160
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 6: Samuels like I think I think when he gets in

1161
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 6: the lead. I'm telling you it's something about this kid.

1162
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 6: Forty three. I got Chris Jenkins forty two, key young Coleman.

1163
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 6: I know he ran the slow forty, but I think

1164
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 6: he's a football player. Numbers don't do anything for him.

1165
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 6: Forty one Braylan Trice. I think he gonna actually have

1166
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 6: a better pro career than he had college career.

1167
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: Ed forty I got TJ. Tempa cornerback.

1168
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: All right.

1169
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: That's what I like to do.

1170
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 6: I like to make sure the cornerbacks is in there.

1171
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 6: And he's a guy that earned it, all right. Thirty

1172
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 6: nine Ricky Prorell that's his name, Prorell.

1173
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 5: Uh piersong song peer So why.

1174
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 3: What looked like me? Like Perell what like this, whatever

1175
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: y'all want to call him.

1176
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna most definitely be a better pro

1177
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 6: than a college player, all right.

1178
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: I got Mitchell or Donald Mitchell at thirty eight.

1179
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 6: I got Kingsley uh seem Matalia at thirty seven, and

1180
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 6: at thirty six, I got Michael Pennix junior.

1181
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: Nice. So I like that Bylan Trice. Braylan Trice think

1182
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: you had him at.

1183
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: Four Ragland Trice and forty one forty one.

1184
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: So interesting guy because I really really like his film.

1185
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: But he had like a disastrous combine.

1186
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you noticed a couple of my guys. I had

1187
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: terrible combine.

1188
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 6: And I don't think everybody is good as being on

1189
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 6: the stage and showing up for people in times.

1190
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: He just made some weird decisions, Like he weighed it

1191
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: ntil he was a two seventy five that's what he

1192
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: played out in college, big power ad dresser. Yeah, came

1193
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: in at two forty to forty, so like you.

1194
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: Lost what thirly pounds? And then but then he ran

1195
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: a four to seven one, so you're like, okay, what happened?

1196
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: And then he didn't listen to instructions very well in

1197
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: the team drills.

1198
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: So that's my type. I animal he plays good foot

1199
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: past me, but Bud he plays again.

1200
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: I was so high on him and then he goes

1201
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: to the common I'm like and just just the decision making,

1202
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 2: like you lost thirty five pounds from when the season

1203
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: you just.

1204
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 5: Got one me for over hype.

1205
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: I know, but that's a weird time.

1206
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: That's a weird decision. Guy, that's a weird decision though.

1207
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 2: It's weird the decision making.

1208
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: I like the.

1209
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 6: Randicism of this guy because it tells me all I

1210
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 6: could do is play football, Like I love.

1211
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: I love guy. I love like that, Like, hey, hey, Bryce,

1212
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: do you want to go on the trip to France? No,

1213
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 3: they don't play football all over it Like he more

1214
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: of a run pain guy like pay Like, what you

1215
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: want to do? Football? You got anything you like doing?

1216
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: Season football? Trice Is didn't.

1217
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: So he was the guy that was borderline for me

1218
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: top fifty, but again just on the outside looking in,

1219
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: because I'm like, who's advising what's happening there?

1220
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: I mean, at least so for me, he's probably like

1221
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: a top sixty five player, But yeah.

1222
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 5: He's right there. We all have Patrick Paul in this

1223
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 5: in this area.

1224
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got Marshall Kneeland, the guy from Western Michigan,

1225
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: good motor, good player testedbut Patrick Paull at forty nine,

1226
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: Mike Sanders still from Michigan to and Andre Sweat at

1227
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: forty seven. For me, that's a jacent guy. Xavier like

1228
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: at fred forty six, TJ. Tampa the probably the best

1229
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: tackling corner in the class, a little uncertain about his

1230
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: role forty four, key On Coleman forty three. Kamari Lasser

1231
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: and no one else had him on their list. Again,

1232
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: a guy that didn't test well, but the film's really good,

1233
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: so I'm a little bit unsure about whether he deserves

1234
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: to be in or not. But he's in forty two.

1235
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Brandon Fiskey forty one. Peyton Wilson from NC State, And

1236
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: that is kind of my bottom tier.

1237
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 6: You get up there, tell me hot what was it

1238
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 6: the comebine. They put him up there because the film

1239
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 6: in the comebine don't match out there, So I so

1240
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 6: let me.

1241
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: Finish my list.

1242
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: So that's forty one, alcome back Edrian Cooper forty, Jordan

1243
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: Morgan thirty nine, Xavier Worthy thirty eight. The Tech of

1244
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: the Receiver from Texas Kings assumatia, same as Fred thirty seven,

1245
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: kool Aid mckinnistry thirty six. So with regards to Peyton Wilson,

1246
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: I like his film a lot. I think he runs well.

1247
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: He's got that sideline, the sideline ability to meet, the

1248
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: injury history, and the fact he has thirty inch charms

1249
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: and it shows up on film when he's taken on blocks.

1250
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: I just am not the most confident that that athletic

1251
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: profile is going to translate. That's why Adrian Cooper is

1252
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: a spot ahead for me. Yeah, because he's got thirty

1253
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: four inch arms, He's violent to the football, he sheds

1254
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: blocks in in a way that's translatable to the NFL level.

1255
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I made that distinction. But again,

1256
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: I think he's a good football player, but he is

1257
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 1: in a different tier for me than Edric Cooper.

1258
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: For example.

1259
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: I think those kangaroo oms is gonna hurt him in

1260
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: the league. I agree, I just really do. I think

1261
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: guards are going to get on him quick.

1262
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 6: I think his I think his best thing is if

1263
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 6: he plays in the defense where he got a nose

1264
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 6: going over top of him and just allows him to

1265
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 6: run sideline.

1266
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: Sounds almost better, like to your point as like a

1267
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: true will like where he's almost out of it, like

1268
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: almost like a strong safety type player. Yeah, because he

1269
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: has a really hard time, and I think about like

1270
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: Cooper bebe getting on him like he like there's no

1271
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: way he could. There's he has no tool right to

1272
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: get off with his hat and hands. He's just not

1273
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: strong enough in his upper body. So that's why he's

1274
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: down there for me. All right, So now we're doing

1275
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Thirty five one one?

1276
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so I'll start out with Kingsley Sue

1277
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 4: Maataiah dude, Yeah.

1278
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: Thirty five.

1279
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 7: I've been coming around on him.

1280
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: It's to me.

1281
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I watched more films last night, and he's a mess.

1282
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's a mess, but he is an athletic freak.

1283
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: He's an athletic freak and like you just can't. There's

1284
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: like not that many people that are six five and

1285
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: three twenty they can run afi walking around on the street.

1286
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: He's my like I'm a as as a form, like

1287
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: I said, I'm a stickler for the technique one not

1288
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: very technical.

1289
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 7: No, this is my attempt at him.

1290
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 3: He's he's Morgan Moses coming out of Virginia. Yes, he's

1291
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: Morgan Moses when he came.

1292
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: Out, all right, that's pretty good, bright actually coming out

1293
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: of nowhere. That one nice.

1294
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 7: Thirty four Christian Haynes at a Yukon.

1295
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: That's high for him.

1296
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1297
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't mean like in a bad way, but like

1298
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: I like him.

1299
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty three ly get Wow, Yeah, thirty two they're

1300
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: Han Newton, Illinois.

1301
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, Darius Robinson edge, I love it.

1302
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: J C.

1303
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 7: Latham Okay, Yeah. Then you got Michael Pennix Junior.

1304
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: What pick are you own?

1305
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 7: Twenty eight?

1306
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: All right?

1307
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 7: Twenty eight?

1308
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 4: And we got Graham Barton twenty seven, we got that

1309
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 4: coming twenty six, Chop Robinson, we got it in come

1310
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 4: twenty five am, Marius Mimes twenty four, Brian Thomas Junior.

1311
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 5: Did you look at my paper?

1312
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: It's probably copied the cent?

1313
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 4: That's all what co GM's Yeah, let's see all right.

1314
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 4: We got Nate Wiggins Clemson. What number twenty three?

1315
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 7: Bo Nicks quarterback, Morgan and Cooper Jean twenty one? Yeah,

1316
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 7: twenty one.

1317
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: Wow, we ain't this? You and I am not so different?

1318
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you. JC Latham. I don't know where

1319
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: he was.

1320
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: What was the number it was lower the thirty thirty.

1321
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: Why so low or why relatively they're compared to consensus

1322
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: a little bit lower?

1323
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: On him, I think I want to look at him.

1324
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 4: I think he's look when I watch him as all right,

1325
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: this guy. I read all the stuff about it. Everyone's

1326
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: in love with him, think he's great. And I watched him,

1327
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, he's he's.

1328
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: An average Alabama Okay, Like.

1329
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say like he does the job. I think

1330
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: it does it fine. I never look at him like

1331
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 4: with Cooper.

1332
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: Baby.

1333
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: I look at him and I'm like, wow, that is awesome.

1334
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: As for lath And I'm like, Okay, that's a win,

1335
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 4: that's that's a.

1336
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 7: That's a solid rep.

1337
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 3: I don't think you like motor.

1338
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 7: No, not necessarily.

1339
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't love his motor either, But I don't think

1340
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: you can underrate at the college level just dominant, getting

1341
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: on getting on base. No, yeah, like you just got

1342
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: to win the ones you're supposed to win. And I

1343
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: think there's some inconsistency to his efforts, some inconsistency to

1344
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: his like mental but when he is physically going in

1345
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: the right direction, like he's a special guy. And I

1346
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: was talking to a Scott at the combat about him

1347
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: who it was his number one tackle and I was

1348
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: not there and I'm not there now. But I think

1349
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: when you just just like this is what I did

1350
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: last night talking about stuff. I watched every offensive lineman

1351
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: in order of all the film I could find ye

1352
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: just down the list, And when you just compare them

1353
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: apples to apples like that, you see that he's a

1354
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: little bit better asp then you think he's a little

1355
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: bit stronger than you think, he's a little bit bigger

1356
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: than you.

1357
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: Think, heavy hands heavy.

1358
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: There's value there. But again I don't disagree. Thirty is

1359
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: I think very reasonable.

1360
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 4: I think the big thing is like I was expecting

1361
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: high expectations. I wanted to be blown away, and yeah,

1362
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: I just didn't necessarily see like that.

1363
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: I kind of went through a similar process, and I

1364
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: think we're just I'm like a month ahead of you.

1365
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: So you'll come back around on it, and then you'll

1366
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: get out of him again and you'll go back and

1367
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: forth like you do.

1368
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: So Fred who you got because you guys have the

1369
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: same muster parent You.

1370
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 6: Know what, Hey, he stole my recipes and now he's

1371
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 6: still in madrev list. At thirty five. I got Kamari

1372
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 6: Lasston uh At thirty four, I got a Cooper Edrian Cooper.

1373
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 6: At thirty three, I got xab You're worthy.

1374
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 5: Uh.

1375
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: At thirty two, I got Newton d tackle. This is

1376
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: what we had in coming right there.

1377
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 6: Uh. At thirty one, I got Sweat d tackle tixas.

1378
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 6: At thirty I got Cooper Baby this. I love it,

1379
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 6: bab Fred, I like, I love him. Man, you remind

1380
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 6: me of pack Man. He just goes around just chumping

1381
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 6: up defensive line and just eating them apart.

1382
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't like that. That's a good comp it's a

1383
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: good cop. I'm not being facetious. He kind of looks

1384
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: like that.

1385
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 7: No, Like, did he just eat this dude?

1386
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he's that dude.

1387
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 6: He's mean a right. Twenty nine, I got Darius Robinson.

1388
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 6: I love that dude all right. Twenty eight I got

1389
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 6: Jordan Morgan offensive tackle. Twenty seven Why no, no no.

1390
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 6: At twenty seven, I got Graham Barton at twenty six,

1391
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 6: Chop Robinson twenty five, Nate Wiggins.

1392
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: I love skinny Conels and he is skinny as it

1393
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: is and I love it.

1394
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, he put on ten pounds first

1395
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Pro day. So waiting at one seventy two with ye.

1396
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that.

1397
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, all you got to do is drink yolks yolks

1398
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 6: and you'll get there. At twenty four, I got Brian

1399
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 6: Thomas Junior. All right, most definitely, I think he's going

1400
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 6: to actually be one of the better receivers.

1401
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: In his draft. At twenty three, I got tearyan On I.

1402
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: At twenty two I got j C.

1403
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 6: Layton, And at twenty one I got for Shannu oposite

1404
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 6: tackle pin State.

1405
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: All right, so let's ask you about Jordan Morgan. Real cool.

1406
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about him a ton. Yeah, so you're fred,

1407
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1408
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: He's a dancing bear.

1409
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He's a good athlete.

1410
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 6: He's a dancing bear. I'm talking about yogi. He's one

1411
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 6: of these guys, big body, light feet. I could take

1412
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 6: that in attack.

1413
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: So I just for context, I have him at thirty nine,

1414
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: so I see the athlete. But I have some questions, Zach,

1415
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: and I can see your face all screwed up.

1416
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 7: I just I'm just not that impressive.

1417
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, his physicality I think is an issue for me. Yeah,

1418
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: like you mentioned Cooper, bebe like dude, no question about

1419
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: his physicality. Jacy Latham, no question about his physical with Morgan,

1420
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: You're like, you can hit this guy hard if you want.

1421
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: That's on the table. And again, good athlete.

1422
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: Like the way he moves, and I think he'll go

1423
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: high because of that, because you can't find big guys

1424
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: that move well.

1425
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm always had.

1426
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: Some Brian McKinney in him.

1427
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 6: He has these Like I watched Brian McKinney dominate in

1428
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 6: the NFL because not because he was so vicious, because

1429
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 6: he just invoked people.

1430
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: He enveloped the he.

1431
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 7: Can literally did because he hugs people a lot.

1432
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was also dominated.

1433
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: But Brian McKinney is I think he's six eights, like

1434
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: six seven year for like three seventy five. Jordan Morgan

1435
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: is six ' five, He's got thirty two inch arms,

1436
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: He's like one hundred and three hundred and ten pounds,

1437
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: so not the same stature. I feel like he's gonna

1438
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: be a guard the next level.

1439
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 7: But I think so too.

1440
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the guy that is mixed mixed reviews

1441
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: apparently just had to work out with with the Dallas Cowboys,

1442
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: and his agent put out that the Cowboys think he

1443
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: can play tackle.

1444
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: I think that's agent talk, But yeah, who you got Jason?

1445
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 5: All Right, I'm ready for a lot of wows. Well,

1446
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna fight you guys here, all right.

1447
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 5: So thirty five Darius Robinson Missouri, Kingsley Sua Mattia follows

1448
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 5: him up from BYU. Chris Braswell from Alabama.

1449
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: Want to put him in it high?

1450
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 5: Wow, amarus Man's thirty two probably a little none of

1451
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 5: you have said him.

1452
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah American, we got.

1453
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 5: Him, got him right, That's what I'm saying. Twenty five Okay, okay,

1454
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 5: Tyler Newman safety from Minnesota, Graham Barton from Duke DJ Tampa,

1455
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 5: Fred and good player st. Xavier Legett I have at

1456
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 5: twenty eighth. I really like Leg.

1457
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: I like Leg like I do. He's a monster man.

1458
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Nate Wiggins, Fred, you and I both

1459
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 5: like him. The skinny corner, but doesn't like to tackle that.

1460
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: Ry when you guys kissed the ball that you don't.

1461
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 5: That's why he's down here.

1462
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: I was going to say, probably, no, not probably the

1463
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: best coverage player in the class, but doesn't doesn't tackle

1464
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: very smooth.

1465
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 6: You know what I ta college, But you know they

1466
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 6: say his cumpy is men.

1467
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 5: He'll be then he'll be a good player. But you

1468
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 5: would mix up, man.

1469
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. But he does it.

1470
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 5: He will.

1471
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 6: He doesn't mix get how he needed to write coordinator

1472
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 6: to say, you know what, you don't tackle, you don't play.

1473
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 5: I hope he gets that. Yeah, Ricky who is that?

1474
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: Fred Pearson? I call him Ricky Rick wide receiver twenty six. Yeah,

1475
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: Jared Verse, that's real.

1476
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: I mean I'm with that a little bit.

1477
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little Tyler Geiton, Oklahoma. Yeah, Jersine Newton from Illinois,

1478
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 5: kool Aid McKinstry.

1479
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 6: The Cornerbackliday that though you got to make twenty two?

1480
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little high. Yeah, I can talk about him

1481
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 5: looking and then Brandon.

1482
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: Fisk is it fiskysis Fisk.

1483
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: That's why I love him.

1484
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 7: I I'm prepared to depend motor, but also I love.

1485
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 5: I love the motor, I love the violent hands.

1486
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: I just he's so just the first one I want

1487
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: to talk about was t J. Tampa. Okay, why do

1488
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: you like him?

1489
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: And you're pretty high on him because I had him

1490
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: him at him at forty five, So I like him

1491
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot.

1492
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 6: The Knicks coming of Antioine Winfield Senior, he feels like

1493
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 6: tweezy will I know.

1494
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: But can he to me? He's not scheme agnostic necessarily

1495
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: like he is. He's big. I think he's six one

1496
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: and a half six to two tennis.

1497
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1498
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: I love how he hits, Love how he plays that

1499
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: cover three like Seattle coverage. You know what I'm saying.

1500
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got he's got really long arms, right, and

1501
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 5: he uses that length to be disruptive even if he

1502
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 5: can get behind a little bit and doesn't have the

1503
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 5: best recovery speed.

1504
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1505
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 5: Right, But I think he has really nice movement for

1506
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 5: his size, and he's really he's willing to mix in,

1507
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 5: like he's.

1508
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: A willing player. I can see him playing some safety

1509
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: too later on in his career.

1510
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: It's kind of what I got to.

1511
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1512
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: I like him as a player, but I that's one

1513
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: of this that's one of those ones where like he

1514
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: could be the sixtieth player on someone's board, yeah, and

1515
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: like the twenty fifth yeah, because schematically he's not going

1516
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: to be for every everybody.

1517
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 5: I do have some negatives, like the negatives I marked

1518
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: down or the cons that can be worked through, is

1519
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 5: it looks like every now and then he can get

1520
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 5: turned around a little bit lost and they played lots

1521
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 5: of his own coverage, so he for me to figure

1522
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 5: out me play it was hard.

1523
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: I think I think you can play moddle to see

1524
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: him at the Cedar Bowl for that exactly.

1525
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 6: And it's okay for me to nickname Brandon, I mean

1526
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 6: Braidon Fist. Could I name him the King pen.

1527
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 7: Kind of like a mist.

1528
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: So the other thing about Bradon Fist is I like

1529
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: him a lot.

1530
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: He's like one of my favorite players in the draft,

1531
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: but I have reservations about his ability to play consistent.

1532
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: Now yeah, yeah, because he's got short arms, he's not

1533
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: under he's not undersize, and so he's you know, he's hard.

1534
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 3: You can't.

1535
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: Though, like because my mar Mike was a little bit shorter,

1536
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: and you feel that on a down to down basis,

1537
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel you know, you got you got

1538
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: a crazy long But I'm saying like it is a thing,

1539
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: and there are guys that can overcome it. But I

1540
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: don't know if I saw that, like Elijah Cantsey, twitchy

1541
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of you know, jitterbug moves. He's fast and he

1542
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: plays hard, but like I feel like that's a pretty

1543
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,919
Speaker 1: well that's his ceiling is is I don't know twenty

1544
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: what is it twenty one?

1545
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: You had him?

1546
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 5: I don't think it's happened pretty high. I have been

1547
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 5: pretty high. I think he's got a high floor. I

1548
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 5: would say. I know you're talking about like the arm length,

1549
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 5: but I just love the motor. I love that he's

1550
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 5: violent with his hands, Like these are the things I

1551
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 5: look at that I'm like, well, maybe he can overcome some.

1552
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 7: Of these, That's what I'm saying.

1553
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: And maybe like his if his ability to go hard

1554
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 4: and you know, and get a lot of effort, is

1555
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: that gonna be enough to overcome some of his physical limitation.

1556
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

1557
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: I hope so.

1558
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: But so then that risk that question, Zach asked, that's

1559
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: why for me, he's down in kind of that bottomish

1560
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: teer for me, you know, like in that thirty to

1561
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: thirty five range for me.

1562
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: But I have questions about it. But again I don't

1563
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: disagree with your analysis. Yeah, want me to go real quick. Yeah,

1564
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: this is thirty five.

1565
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: Zach Fraser from West Virginia the center, Darius Robinson defensive

1566
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: end from Missouri, Ricky pier Saw, Florida receiver him love

1567
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: him tested really well. Michael Pennick Junior thirty two, Cooper

1568
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: Dejen thirty one. I think of it more is a safety.

1569
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: That's why he's so high on my list. Lad mcconchney

1570
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: at thirty, Graham Barton the center guard tackle from Duke

1571
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson twenty eight. This one hurt my soul a

1572
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: little bit. I didn't want to put him at high,

1573
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: but I did. Bo Nicks at twenty seven, Jackson Powers

1574
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: Johnson twenty six. I know that's really different from where

1575
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: Jason has them. Jazer Newton from Illinois the defensive tackle

1576
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: twenty five, Nate Wiggins twenty four, And that to me

1577
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: is like that tier of guys that I think can play,

1578
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: that could be a starter at some point, but aren't

1579
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: quite there yet. And then the next tier for me

1580
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: are guys that I think have like home run nobility.

1581
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: So these next three guys keep that in mind when

1582
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: I read them off.

1583
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 7: J C.

1584
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: Latham twenty five, There twenty three if he gets in

1585
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: the right spot. I wanted to put Amarus Mims so

1586
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: high because when you watch his games, it looks like

1587
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: dude sleeping out there.

1588
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: It looks like he's playing with a bunch of high

1589
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: school kids.

1590
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: Twenty two.

1591
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: He only played seven games.

1592
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: But if you watch him against Ohio State last year,

1593
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: you watch against Alabama this year, Like, those are NFL

1594
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: players and he.

1595
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: Just is like throwing them up and speeding them out.

1596
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like this, someone is going to fall in

1597
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: love with this dude. But the fact that only played

1598
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: seven games had to put him down here. And the

1599
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: next guy on my list is Olu Fashanu from Penn State.

1600
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: Interest kind of love it is low, but I'll tell

1601
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: you why. I don't know why why. So one thing

1602
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: about Forshano, I love the athlete. He's a tremendous athlete.

1603
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: One right, he was twenty But again, like I, I

1604
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: tear these a little differently. Like for me, like this

1605
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: is a guy that I would for sure draft, no

1606
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: doubt about it. He's going to get a shot to

1607
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: start a tackle. I just have some reservations about his

1608
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: hip height. He has a really hard time sinking his hips.

1609
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: He's got very tight ankles, which makes it hard for

1610
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: him to connect at the second level.

1611
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: And when he gets an elite bull rusher, he has

1612
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: a hard time sting down the ball.

1613
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: So I again love the athlete, love it, but I

1614
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: just those are questions that are gonna make it really

1615
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: And he's a young player. He's going to develop like

1616
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: right system, and he's a nerd for football from what

1617
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: I understand, But those are some questions that I'm like,

1618
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: So if you look at all those guys, right, Oliviashano,

1619
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: I think could be a home run. I think he

1620
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: could be a generational guy. But there's four significant questions.

1621
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: So Maryusmims, same thing, but he's only played seven football games.

1622
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: Can he stay healthy? Right?

1623
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: JC Latham? Can we get your motors started? And can

1624
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: it stay going for a whole game? And are you

1625
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: athletic enough and twitched up enough to vertical past at

1626
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: von Miller?

1627
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: So that's why I love those guys.

1628
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 4: But that's the that's what That's where like coaching is

1629
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 4: really going to have to play a big role in

1630
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 4: like getting trying to get Forashano's hips to go down.

1631
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 4: So because he's not getting blown away into a quarterback.

1632
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 5: I want to talk about Mims real quick for a second.

1633
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 5: Have you brought him up yet? Zach?

1634
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1635
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 7: I got him at twenty five?

1636
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 5: And where did you have him?

1637
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: All? Right?

1638
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 5: So you can talk about him in a second, but

1639
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 5: I want to talk about Mims because I had him

1640
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 5: pretty far down comparatively, and it's because I just don't

1641
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 5: feel we have enough data points and we're just looking

1642
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 5: at like the measurements of a guy built in a lab.

1643
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah that's good. Coaches and gms excited.

1644
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 5: But this isn't a draft. But it's clean.

1645
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 3: It's clean, sleek with a sheep. With him, I'll tell

1646
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 3: you right, no bad habits.

1647
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 6: Even though he hasn't played a lot of games, he

1648
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 6: han't picked up bad habit. It's a clean slate protocol

1649
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 6: with him. And you cannot go into a gym and build.

1650
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 3: Six, eight, three and fifty. I'm sorry that moves the

1651
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 3: way this guy moves.

1652
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 6: And the one thing Logan said, the only problem I

1653
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 6: got with him, and that's why I got him higher,

1654
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 6: is can he stay healthy?

1655
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: Like other than that, I'm sorry, I have to get

1656
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: him on my team by any means.

1657
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: That's it.

1658
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, the one the one thing i'd say to you,

1659
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: as you know, like in terms of in the games

1660
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: you've watched, if you watch all seven games, there's not

1661
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: a lot of bad Like he has a great ability

1662
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: to kind of get this his feet separated vertically, you know,

1663
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: to get that vertical kit slut. He understands his relationship

1664
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: to the quarterback in pass pro. He uses his length well,

1665
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: he can sink, he can move in space, and he.

1666
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 3: Can have the speed and he can hand the speed,

1667
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 3: the power power to speed, and he's so big.

1668
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: And again, like when I say he's out to lunch,

1669
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: it looks like he's sleeping. It just looks like it's

1670
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: easy for him. And you know, Fred said this to

1671
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: me about corners, and I think the same thing is

1672
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: true for offensive lineman.

1673
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 3: You want it.

1674
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: You want pass pro specifically to look easy, and I

1675
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: think with with Mims it looks easy. And again he's raw,

1676
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: but man, there's a lot there. And again it's the

1677
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: same thing with Fashan, who like I like Fashan, who's tape.

1678
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're swinging for the fence here and you've got

1679
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 5: all He's got a nice swing.

1680
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1681
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm saying, Like these to me

1682
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: are guys that I this is for me. It's twenty

1683
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: three to fifteen where I'm like, I like the athlete,

1684
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: I like the ability, but there's some questions about what

1685
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: they got going on.

1686
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 4: So it's sort of similar to you know, I was

1687
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: looking it was writing the mock track money, which, by

1688
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 4: the way, check it out on Commanders Dot Common. And

1689
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 4: I was looking at Trevor Sikima's he had us getting

1690
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 4: Austin Booker out of Kansas. Now there's there's really one

1691
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 4: really good year for Austin Booker, but there's almost nothing.

1692
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 7: Else on him. So it's a I thought it was

1693
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 7: under anyway.

1694
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, yeah, there's not a whole lot of film

1695
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 4: to look on, but the film is so freaking good,

1696
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 4: just like you have to take a chance on this guy.

1697
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 4: Same thing with the Mary Smails, like, yeah, there's not

1698
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 4: a whole lot out there, but I won't him, but

1699
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 4: you want him because the film that is out there

1700
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 4: is damn good.

1701
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all.

1702
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: Right, so I love it.

1703
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 5: Marriagemans. By the way, I was just, I was just

1704
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 5: My argument was just the data points.

1705
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: It's a good talking point, but it's again it's like,

1706
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: that's the question. There's a reason he's not he's here,

1707
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: he's not top ten, right, Like, there's a reason he's down.

1708
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 5: There top twenty, Logan, why don't you go you So I.

1709
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: Got Adami Mitchell at twenty, I got Tyler Guidon at nineteen.

1710
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: I got JJ McCarthy at eighteen, I got Brian Thomas

1711
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: Junior from LSU. At seventeen, I got Jared Versu at sixteen,

1712
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: and Dallas Turner at fifteen. And then that's my kind

1713
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: of mid tier there that I've been established, and my

1714
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: top tier guy fourteen Terry and Arnold thirteen, Byron Murphy

1715
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: from Texas defensive tackle.

1716
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: Twelve Lat too lat too or LAT two lat too,

1717
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: excuse me? And eleven brock Bowers from Georgia.

1718
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 5: Nice, very nice, And what was that from twenty to

1719
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 5: twenty twenty to eleven?

1720
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 6: Yea twenty eleven all right. At twenty, I got Tyler Guiden.

1721
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 6: I love him, damn dog. All right at nineteen Jackson

1722
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 6: Powells Johnson eighteen, Lati seventeen, JJ McCarthy sixteen.

1723
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 3: Cooper Gen I am in love with this guy. I

1724
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: think he is. I think he's one of the best

1725
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: defensive playmakers in this draft.

1726
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 6: Fifteen I got Jared Verse fourteen, Marius Mems thirteen, Queen

1727
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 6: Mitchell twelve, Byron Murphy eleven.

1728
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: What's his name? F U A G A. Yeah, I

1729
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: ain't on a butcher butchered enough Dames.

1730
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 5: All right, cool, I'll go in then you can go Zach.

1731
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 5: I have that twenty I have Cooper de Gene. We

1732
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 5: should definitely talk about it. We haven't talked about him

1733
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 5: on other pods. Nineteen is JJ McCarthy, eighteen quinnyon Mitchell,

1734
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 5: seventeen Jackson Powers Johnson, the best name in this class

1735
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 5: for it just fits. Look at him, You're like, yeah,

1736
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 5: that's your name.

1737
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 3: He sounded like a chipping Dale.

1738
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1739
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 5: Sixteen is Byron Murphy the second, the tackle from Texas,

1740
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 5: defensive tackle from Texas, Terry and Arnold, cornerback from Alabama,

1741
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels from LSU. I have at fourteen, Troy Fatanu

1742
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 5: from Washington, at thirteen, Dallas Turner from Alabama. And then

1743
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 5: I round this one out with Brian Thomas Junior, the

1744
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,879
Speaker 5: wide receiver from LSU at eleven.

1745
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: Wow, you feel very I'm high on him. I don't

1746
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: know aboutam dead high on him, but I'm high.

1747
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 4: On so twenty Taly Geiden, then he got nineteen Jared

1748
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 4: Vers eighteen, Byron Murphy, seventeen, jad McCarthy sixteen, Jackson Powers

1749
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 4: Johnson another again, all time great name. Fifteen Terry and

1750
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 4: Arnold fourteen Troy Fatanu, thirteen Quinon Mitchell these last year,

1751
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 4: I kind of went back and forth on twelve Dallas

1752
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 4: Turner and then eleven layout to Lattu.

1753
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, I like it.

1754
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 5: We have a lot of the same.

1755
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 3: It's not surprised.

1756
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like kind of the meat.

1757
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: So A couple of things I want to touch on

1758
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: there is how did you guys make your decision on

1759
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: edge rusher? Who was the number one edge rusher, because

1760
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: that's one that I think people kind of go back

1761
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: and forth on. Mine was lat Too, followed by Dallas

1762
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: Turner than Jared First are fifteen sixteen so interchangeable basically,

1763
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: And then how did you guys make those.

1764
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 6: Dallas Turner was my number one guy off of help

1765
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 6: alone health help alone. I think a lot too is

1766
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 6: the most talented. I think he's the longest. I think

1767
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 6: he has the most upside. But I think plug and

1768
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 6: play ready right now. Dallas Turner is ready to give

1769
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 6: you high level football.

1770
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I flip flopped it, but had the same

1771
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 5: reasonings as Fred, if that makes sense. Like I haven't

1772
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 5: even I haven't gotten the lat Too yet, but he's

1773
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 5: my top edg rusher. Dallas Turner is second. I would

1774
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 5: I think is the better player. That's why he's higher here,

1775
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,919
Speaker 5: but I would not draft him over Dallas Turner, probably

1776
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 5: because of the health concern, but I think he's I

1777
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 5: think he's by far the best edge rusher.

1778
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1779
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 7: I think I'm going on straight up talent. He has

1780
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 7: a full leoti lot has a full like a full arsenal.

1781
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 4: And when you're able to get these premier, premier tackles

1782
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 4: in the NFL, you you're gonna need every single one

1783
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,480
Speaker 4: of those tools in the toolbox.

1784
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 6: And the key next out Because if I got Dallas Turner,

1785
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 6: who hasn't been used in all these pass mood that

1786
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 6: I could teach now, he becomes even more deadly win.

1787
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: I think it's I think people overestimate how easy it

1788
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: is to teach someone pass rush.

1789
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1790
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: So that's one of the things with Dallas Turner.

1791
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: He's productive, but he's productive because he's a big, freaky athlete.

1792
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's got thirty thirty four and a half

1793
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: inch arms. I think he had a forty inch vertical.

1794
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: He ran a four to four to seven in the combine,

1795
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: Like he's a freak athlete. Yeah, but you see a

1796
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: little bit of inconsistency with his technique, with his awareness

1797
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 1: his football iques a little bit like it's not not

1798
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: super high and so's it's like, you know, and I

1799
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that makes me kind of go like,

1800
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: there's a level of risks there because it's you, the

1801
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: the athletes there, but the the mental football stuff and

1802
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: that kind of the nuance of it is not always there.

1803
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: And then he's Jared Verse.

1804
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way, like I like

1805
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 1: Jared versus lot great power, rusher, good, feel good instincts

1806
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: place hard. So he's so tight in the hips. I

1807
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: wonder if he'll be able to kind of turn the cone,

1808
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: turn the corner at the NFL level.

1809
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 5: You guys watched Jean claud Van Damn movies.

1810
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, I did.

1811
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 6: Was it wasn't?

1812
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's what layout to you, lat too looks

1813
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 5: like to me is Jean Claude right when they just

1814
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 5: come in him and he just uses his hands and says,

1815
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 5: the guy just loses balance, it goes off. That's what

1816
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 5: it looks like with him. He's just his karate master almost.

1817
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 5: His hands are so good, his counters are so good.

1818
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 5: His and then he bends and moves so well that

1819
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 5: it's the only the only thing is the health risk.

1820
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 5: I mean, being declared you can't play anymore medically. It's

1821
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 5: c LA's like, ah, you're fine, a little concerned.

1822
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: It's just a nick in itself, that's the concerned part.

1823
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 3: But man, is he tow The other thing I.

1824
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: Want to ask about real quick, there is Jaden Daniels safe,

1825
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: said Jason. Yeah, okay, so so and again like this,

1826
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: just to be clear, like it doesn't mean he's I

1827
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: want him to be drafted. I understand, but I don't.

1828
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I don't disagree with this. Like

1829
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: there's certain times when you see her here something and

1830
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: you're like, that's impossible. But I think when you talk

1831
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: about some of the nuance of Jade and Daniel, you

1832
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: can get here, but you can also get to two

1833
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: the second best plays. Absolutely know what I'm saying.

1834
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 5: Very very high ceiling, very high ceiling. I am scared

1835
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 5: of how low the floor could be for him. That's

1836
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 5: what I'm scared of. Why I'm scared of his frame

1837
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 5: and his running. I know there are counter arguments to it,

1838
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 5: so I'm afraid of injury with him because I've seen

1839
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 5: it before with quarterbacks built like him, especially here his

1840
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 5: I was trying to talk through this with Logan at

1841
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 5: one point. He has good arm strength, but it doesn't

1842
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 5: look like he like it doesn't look like he's zipping it.

1843
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 5: There's not The fastball just isn't quite fast.

1844
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: If I was going to articulate it. He's got an,

1845
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: he's got excellent mechanics. He's got a very quick release,

1846
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: and he relies on the release more than.

1847
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 5: The velocity, so he doesn't throw over the middle of

1848
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 5: the field as much.

1849
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 3: Much. Wasn't x to you.

1850
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 5: It wasn't asked to But I can be like, well

1851
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 5: that maybe that's.

1852
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: Why, because well and also if you look at you,

1853
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: that's why.

1854
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: What's the down there? And uh in l s what's

1855
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: his name? I forget his name, but they have iterations

1856
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: of the offense where they do throw over the middle field,

1857
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: so obviously they spoke to his skill set there.

1858
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 4: Yes, also didn't didn't Lamar Jackson not throw to the

1859
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 4: middle of the field whenever he was you, no.

1860
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 3: No, they was. He was an approach.

1861
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: He ran a pro style offense at he.

1862
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 6: Went a PROWN office. Now he go to differ between

1863
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 6: Jayson Danis and Lamar Jackson. Both of these guys can

1864
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 6: get to running wise, get to zero to one hundred. Yes,

1865
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 6: the one thing about Lamar he can stop. The one

1866
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 6: thing about Jaye danis he has a little bit on

1867
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 6: G three and them where it takes them four or

1868
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 6: five steps to stop. So if you look at any

1869
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 6: of those bast tackles he gets, it is because he

1870
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 6: can't stop. I've watched him on the sideline running to

1871
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 6: people back because he couldn't stop, because he's running so fast.

1872
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 3: That scares me.

1873
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is nippicking what I'm doing. I'm nitpicking

1874
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 5: because his ceiling is way up there and at number

1875
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 5: two overall, if Washington decides to take them, I'm thrilled

1876
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 5: because the Grand Slam is that I can see it.

1877
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 5: I can see it happening. But I can also see

1878
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 5: these other things that make me go that the players

1879
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 5: ahead of them, I don't feel have as low as Florence.

1880
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 3: That's all Jackson. This is come. I say, it's more

1881
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 3: Lamar Griffin than it is Lamar Jackson.

1882
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: I think he throws the better than I think he

1883
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: throws better than RG three. But yeah, the the other

1884
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: thing I'd say there the thing that gets me with

1885
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: him is the throws over the millfield and just they're

1886
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: not there like that really makes me super super.

1887
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 3: Nervous splitting the NFL. Hell yeah, all right, so let's go.

1888
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: What do we got? We're going ten two, yeah.

1889
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: One, ten to six.

1890
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 5: We're gonna save the top five to six.

1891
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 3: I thought I jumped the gun just.

1892
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 5: Producing it here is try and keep their listeners engaged a.

1893
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 7: Little very now.

1894
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: So ten to six, Yeah, who's going?

1895
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 5: I can go?

1896
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: All right?

1897
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 5: Talisa Futaga from Oregon State. Sorry, Drake May, this is

1898
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 5: where he falls at number nine, ol Fashanu, I'm very

1899
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 5: high on him from Penn State. Brock Bowers tight end

1900
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 5: from Georgia. This is where I had let Latu from

1901
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 5: U C l A. And then oh that's it. I'm

1902
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 5: stopping there, yep, stopping.

1903
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: That's my next you go, all right?

1904
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 4: So ten Talisa Fluaga got nine old Shanu eight, Drake

1905
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 4: May seven, Brock Bowers six, jayde Daniels.

1906
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 6: That's not too bad, right, alright, A T and I

1907
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 6: got a joy for I guess this is for fun.

1908
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 6: At nine, I got Dallas Turner. I got Dallas Turner

1909
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 6: at nine. At eight, I got Brock Bowers one of

1910
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 6: the most elite with Busins draft.

1911
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: It's seven, I have mister Jaydon Daniels. It's six. I

1912
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 3: have elit neighbors.

1913
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 1: And I got Drake Mayott ten. I got Jayden and

1914
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: Daniels at nine, Troy Fatanu at eight. I got Quinjon

1915
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 1: Mitchell at seven.

1916
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 3: That's high.

1917
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: And I got Joe Alt at six.

1918
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 7: So why are you so in love with Quinna and Mitchell.

1919
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: So we went back and forth like him and Taron Ronold,

1920
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: and I kind of was like, oh, I think Tarron

1921
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: Ronold is like an excellent football player. He tackles well,

1922
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: he's got good field, he's got controllery, quickness. I don't

1923
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: know if he's got the horsepower to play outside corner,

1924
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: Like that's my question. Like when you watch his highlight tape,

1925
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: he's not jumping off, he's always he's often in trail

1926
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: and saved by bad throws. And so quinnyon like got

1927
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: to seem a senior le We got seem at the combine.

1928
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: Watched a lot of film in his He is everything

1929
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: you want in a number one corner from an athletics standpoint.

1930
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: He's also got the physical toughness and makeup. So am

1931
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: I doing a little bit of a projection here, Yes,

1932
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: But just every time we every I've seen him att

1933
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: he succeeded expectations. And I think the physicality that he

1934
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: plays with and the physical tools that he has are

1935
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: just too good to pass up.

1936
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: At the position.

1937
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I feel about him. To me,

1938
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: that's why he's number one as opposed to Taron Arnold.

1939
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 3: I got Cooper gen How did Arnold?

1940
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about Cooper de Gene because that's

1941
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: a guy that I have it. I have it thirty one. Yeah,

1942
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: I don't know where you have him, Jason.

1943
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 3: I got him at sixteen.

1944
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 5: Got a control you were in that you were in

1945
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 5: that area.

1946
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got him at sixteen. And listen in because

1947
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 3: the color.

1948
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 6: He has a lot of adjacency horn in him, but

1949
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 6: he also has a lot of just electric Like first

1950
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 6: of all, he ran the one hundred. People do't understand

1951
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 6: he's a.

1952
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 2: Trecks just a good athlete play basketball.

1953
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: Like three star guy.

1954
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 6: He I could always tell when the athlete got his

1955
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 6: his hand on the post of sports. This dude is

1956
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 6: a football player. This dude, I can see this dude

1957
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 6: playing fourteen years in the League, Pro Bowl, might be

1958
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 6: a Hall of Fame, and he get to the White team,

1959
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 6: where I put him safety or corner, I put him

1960
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 6: in both. I play him everywhere I play him. I

1961
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 6: play him the same way you play the honey Badger.

1962
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: Okay, I will play him.

1963
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 6: The same way as Tying Matthews. Sometime he'll be in

1964
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 6: a nickel, Sometime he'll be in the middle of field.

1965
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 6: Sometime he'll be outside checking the tight end with im.

1966
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 6: I need him to be He's my joker.

1967
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 7: Interesting.

1968
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 2: That's how I view him too. I just don't. I

1969
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: just don't view his value as like I think it's

1970
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: high as high because I think he's.

1971
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 1: A good I agree. I think he's good football player.

1972
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: Think he tackles well. I think he's got good instincts.

1973
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: There's a little bit lacking in his like clicking clicking

1974
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: clothes ability. You know, he gets a little bit gummed

1975
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: up with his hip. So so I think moving inside

1976
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a better move for him. And I

1977
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: think at I think at thirty one, I think he's

1978
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: a heck of a football player. You know, I think

1979
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: he's going to make a team significantly better. Kind of

1980
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of like Kyle Hamilton ish

1981
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: but not quite the same frame, you know, just in

1982
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: terms of what he brings. And I think the Honey

1983
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: Badger is a good comp but yeah, like just because

1984
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: he's switching positions kind of moving inside, he didn't do that.

1985
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 3: He did that at.

1986
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: Iowa played linebacker. Yeah, yeah, And I just worry about it.

1987
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: Just the thing that gets me, like if he came

1988
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: out this is so dumb, but if he came out

1989
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: and ran and jumped, well, I would have him in

1990
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: the top twenty, which is no, he'll run and jump

1991
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: with but he hasn't done it, and on film, I don't.

1992
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: In film, I'm not. I have questions about it. And

1993
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: if I had the GPS data, i'd probably feel differently.

1994
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know how athletic he is. Like I

1995
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 1: watch him against Ohio State covering Marvin Harrison Junior, and

1996
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior's a beast, but at times it looked

1997
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: like he wasn't on the same field with him.

1998
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's hard for me.

1999
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: Player for me, Like, I do definitely see all the

2000
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 4: versatility in but like I would like him to start

2001
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 4: out having like a home first, like whether it's like,

2002
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 4: you know he can, he can play safety and plays

2003
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 4: those parts. I liked him to have a majority of

2004
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 4: like one spot, just so he can because you know,

2005
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: it's not it's not easy to learn all those different

2006
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: positions as in secondary like in the NFL. I mean,

2007
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 4: there are a lot of players out there who've tried

2008
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 4: it and they're sort of okay at in the NFL,

2009
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 4: but they're not always really what you expect them to be.

2010
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 4: I'd rather him start off at a position in one

2011
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 4: position first, and then as he grows, then he can

2012
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 4: start to do that.

2013
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 3: I think, I think think of him as a faster

2014
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 3: version of Andreo Row.

2015
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, like that's the thing. Is he

2016
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: a faster version of Anshove? I think I know that

2017
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: play with this, but for me and I just needed

2018
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to see him run.

2019
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 2: He hasn't run yet.

2020
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a private workout in April sometime. Yeah,

2021
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: but until then, he's gonna be kind of in that

2022
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty five range. For me, again, if

2023
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: Washington drafted him, I'm doing backflips. I think he's an

2024
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: awesome football player, it's just value.

2025
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Top five Logan top five Talisi Fuaga, number five Tag

2026
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: from Morgan State, and that kind of ends my like

2027
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: second tier there and then my top tier, no surprise,

2028
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: And these guys could go in any order. This is

2029
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: just the order that I did it.

2030
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: Number four of Elite Neighbors, three Roma Dunze from U

2031
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: dub Marvin Harrison Junior, and then Dunt dunt dug Caleb

2032
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: Williams quarterback from USC number one.

2033
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 4: So five Romadunz, four, Joe Alt three Milite Neighbors, two

2034
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior, and surprisingly to literally everybody in the world,

2035
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:03,839
Speaker 4: Kady Williams.

2036
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rama Dunesay is five for me and Elik Neighbors

2037
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 5: is four and they are very close to me, like

2038
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 5: Razor thin. I could switch them back and forth. Three

2039
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 5: is Joe aught, two is Harrison Junior, and one Caleb Williams.

2040
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 6: We are not so different you and I guys at five,

2041
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 6: I got mister Drake May at four, Joe I at three,

2042
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 6: Rome Doomsday, I love you, dude, Marvin Harrison Junior at two,

2043
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 6: Kayler Williams at one on your list, where.

2044
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: On my list he was in the last section, Yeah, yeah,

2045
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: he was number six for me.

2046
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,879
Speaker 6: So why did you have him below May, and because

2047
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 6: I think Drake May is going to be way better

2048
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 6: than people think he is. When I see Drake May,

2049
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 6: I see Josh Allen, I see a hybrid of UH

2050
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 6: Detroit's quarterback Herbert, I see something and I don't think people.

2051
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,879
Speaker 6: I think people judge him so hard because North Carolina

2052
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 6: just wouldn't. I'll let it as a school. I just

2053
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 6: take you in, showed me the player, let me watch

2054
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 6: some film on him. I tell you, does it translates

2055
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 6: to the next level. I think he translates. And I

2056
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 6: think because everybody putting him behind the eight ball, they're

2057
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 6: gonna have a lot to do with how he comes

2058
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 6: out blazing.

2059
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think only My only concern with him is

2060
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: just like these there's inconsistent moments.

2061
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 3: Oh, his bad moments are bay yeah, and that's fine.

2062
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and every player has them, but he's just has

2063
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: come at weird times like when they probably shouldn't. And

2064
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: then again, the highs are really high, and it's part

2065
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 1: of the reason why I think he has the highest

2066
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: ceiling outside of Keller Williams, of any quarterback in the

2067
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: class because he throws the ball so aggressively. But those

2068
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: inconsistent moments scare me a little bit. I also wanted

2069
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: to ask you, two guys, Joe Alt's best sackle on

2070
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: the board, why I have Teleisi Fogg.

2071
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 4: Obviously, for me, it kind of goes back to what

2072
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 4: we were saying about some of marius Men stuff like

2073
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 4: somebody just looks kind of like he's asleep and that

2074
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 4: is easy for him. I feel like that's a lot

2075
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 4: of the same stuff with Joe Aalt. Like he's just

2076
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 4: technically sound, He's very physical. I think his punch is great.

2077
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 4: I think he waits for his defense wind to come

2078
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 4: and get him.

2079
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 7: In pass pressure.

2080
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 4: I think he's he's very methodical in what he does.

2081
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 4: I think it's it's some of the most beautiful things.

2082
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 3: So he's an vintite Notre Dame tech.

2083
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you when you draw up a no no

2084
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 6: to Dame tack and just put at on the back

2085
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 6: of his jersey. Because I have seen him before. I've

2086
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 6: seen him ten years ago, I seen him twenty years ago.

2087
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 6: It feels like Wisconsin Guard, like sometime you know what

2088
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 6: you're getting. I don't have to put a name on

2089
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,480
Speaker 6: the back of the jersey. He feels Notre Dame tackle fifteen.

2090
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 7: Wildly nasty. I think it's a good what they say.

2091
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 6: Is religiously nasty, you know, because he's a good religious guy,

2092
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 6: so he religiously nasty.

2093
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 5: And then Jason, he feels he feels like the safest

2094
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 5: bet at that position, like the Flora is the highest

2095
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 5: and he has a high ceiling as well. But like,

2096
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 5: even if he doesn't turn into the great prospect that

2097
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 5: you would want, drafted him to pace maker the Flora

2098
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 5: solo like Fred saying, we've seen this guy and we've

2099
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 5: seen it work. Yeah, he's so big, he's still young,

2100
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 5: he's very strong, and he just bullies people and he's nasty.

2101
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 5: There is a nasty side to him that I think

2102
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 5: people tend to not talk about as much. But he's

2103
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 5: got to me, he's got all those things. Yes, there

2104
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 5: are things that he can work on. All of these guys,

2105
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 5: all of them do. But the floor is way up there.

2106
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 5: So when you get him, I feel like he's starting

2107
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 5: for you and you feel good about it.

2108
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 6: What everybody loves Marvin Harrison Junia and it's rightfully, So

2109
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 6: what is the gap between him and Rome and dudes

2110
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 6: David Yap Because to me, it ain't it ain't really

2111
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 6: no gap to me.

2112
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 5: I'll start this off. I think Malik Neighbors and Rama

2113
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 5: Dunzay are very close, and they're actually pretty close to

2114
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison the more I think about it, because, like

2115
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 5: Joe aut the reason that Harrison I have so high

2116
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 5: as a receivers because I think it's floor is really

2117
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,560
Speaker 5: really high. Yeah, I could see Rama Dunes being a

2118
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 5: better player.

2119
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: I definitely think Molik Neighbors of those three has the

2120
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: highest ceiling of the other group.

2121
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 5: Absolutely could yeah, absolutely, But the floor.

2122
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 3: Who would you'all.

2123
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 6: Comparison to elite Naghbors there? If you had to compare

2124
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 6: him to any former player player of Prayer playing.

2125
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 3: Now, who would it be?

2126
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 6: Because when I see Rome Doomday, I literally as much

2127
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 6: as I keep watching him, I see Jamar Chase and

2128
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 6: I feel like Jamar Chase is.

2129
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 3: One of the best wide receivers in the league.

2130
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 6: They body bill is the same, they run the same,

2131
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 6: almost the same speed, strong hands like when I watched

2132
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 6: when I watched Jamar Chay for the first time, the

2133
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 6: first thing I noticed was him just ripping the ball

2134
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 6: out there and nobody ever knocking the ball out of

2135
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 6: his hand. When I watched Doom Date. I see the

2136
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 6: same exac thing. So I say, Jamar Chase, when y'all

2137
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 6: see elite nables, what do y'all think?

2138
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 3: What comes to mind with y'all? Because it's been hard

2139
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 3: for me to place him.

2140
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: Like Odell Beckham's type of guy. I think with a

2141
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: little bit better yard like yard Jeffley catch, like he's

2142
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: got some real juice, and I think like he's got

2143
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: a competitive edge to him. I think the thing with

2144
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: a dude say that I always come back to is

2145
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: I don't he doesn't separate the same way like Jamar

2146
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Chase did coming out of college. He doesn't have the

2147
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: same like diversity of rob training. That's not his fault,

2148
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: it's more of the offense. But I think he's he's

2149
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: got you know, he ran like a four four four seven,

2150
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: which isn't like super fast, so he's kind of like

2151
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: this ultimate possession receiver and I think, yeah, like that's

2152
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: that's a comp I like a little bit better. And

2153
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase ran a four three six or something like that.

2154
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: He was scooting, So when I look at him, I

2155
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: just say, Milik Neighbors has more home run ability. I

2156
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: think roma Dunze has a professionalism, has a consistency to

2157
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: his game that is going to make him a good

2158
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: pro for a long time. And I think Marvin Harrison

2159
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: Junior is kind of in that same boat, just with

2160
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more juice, you know, and a.

2161
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 3: Little bit more often.

2162
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: It's kind of what I think. So they are really close.

2163
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: But that's why I think like Molik neighbors to me,

2164
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: when I watch him, it's the yards after the catch.

2165
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: It's the way he attacks the football, it's the way

2166
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: he can kind of there's something there. Now.

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01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: He's not a perfect prospect, which is why I think

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01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: his floor is also very low. But I think those

2169
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: three guys are.

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01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 6: And in them shocked, which you because you'd like to

2171
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 6: cross your teens and that your ass.

2172
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 3: Rome is a better blocker than elite.

2173
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: He's great.

2174
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: He's very block and that whole all. Every every receiver

2175
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 1: from me, dub is very excellent. But again, like that's

2176
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: where it me schematically, like where do you go? Like

2177
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: are you going to San Francisco? Like just hypothetically where

2178
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: you have to block Miami and we can find you

2179
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 1: a spot, like we can get you open on play

2180
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: action stuff.

2181
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 2: You don't have to be the best like.

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01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, hey, hey, like go win this one on one,

2183
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Like just be bigger, stronger, faster, like go be Mike

2184
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: Evans out there. So I do think there is something

2185
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: to that for sure. But yeah, I think like the

2186
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: that's why they're in my top group is like if

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01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: any one of them was on my team, I'd be

2188
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 1: super stoked. And I think they're all fairly close and

2189
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: like Kayleb Williams is in their more quarterback. I want

2190
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: to just touch on the Joe All thing real quick

2191
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 1: before we go. So I one thing about Joel and

2192
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I felt the same way you guys did, and then

2193
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I had a couple of conversations with the combine, went

2194
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: back and watched the film. He's not the athlete that

2195
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I thought he was, and he's not and he's again

2196
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: he's young. He's a young guy, so he's a little

2197
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: stiffer than I thought, not the athlete that I thought.

2198
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 1: So there are there is some reservation there. And you

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01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: mentioned high floor. I think the kid from Oregon State

2200
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: has a higher floor. I do think Joelt has a

2201
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: higher ceiling, if that makes sense. Like I think I

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01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: think if you had to say who's going to start

2203
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Day one, right now and be a better like kind

2204
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,839
Speaker 1: of plug and play guy. No, I think it's fuaga

2205
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: can I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll

2206
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: tell you why. He's got a little bit more. He's

2207
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: got a better physicality to the run game. He understands

2208
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: how to get vertical in his set a little bit better.

2209
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,719
Speaker 1: Like if you want to go watch Joalt do it tonight.

2210
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: He does not set vertically. He sets on a forty

2211
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: five with everything, which some teams like, and that's important,

2212
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: But can you physically set vertically? Because when you watched

2213
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: him at the combine in the vertical set drill, he

2214
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: was unable to do it. And now that might have

2215
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: been a coaching thing, but I look at that and

2216
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I say, if when you set like that against a big,

2217
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: powerful rusher with some juice off the edge, you anna

2218
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: you are gonna collapse it outside shoulder or if they're

2219
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: running a game, you're in trouble. So that's where I

2220
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: was like, big as he is, this is a good question,

2221
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 1: and I so to me, to me, the issue with

2222
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: this this argument is Amarius Mims has to set vertically

2223
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: to if you're getting a stunt, right, So, if you

2224
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: have a three technique and a nine. I have to

2225
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: set vertically to post the three for the for the TT,

2226
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: for the for the ET excuse me right, and tackle stunt.

2227
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 1: If you can't do that, that's gonna be really challenging.

2228
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: I think he's an excellent football player, but he's not

2229
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: quite as physically developed as I thought he was. Now

2230
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 1: he's younger than everybody. He's like twenty, He's like Fashanu, right,

2231
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: So he's going to grow up and be something pretty special.

2232
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: But how long is that going to take? Is that

2233
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: going to take two years? Is that gonna take a year?

2234
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Is that can take three years? So that's where I

2235
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 1: come out. I'm like, yes, he's a good player, Yes

2236
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: he's a good prospect, but in terms of floor day one,

2237
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I just think there's a physicality to Filuaga.

2238
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: That is nice.

2239
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 5: Sorry, Zach, and I would I would say that, like,

2240
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 5: I don't have the nuances of the position that you

2241
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 5: guys do to be able to break it down like this,

2242
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 5: but I would say that as athletic as he is,

2243
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 5: as young as he is, and then any use to

2244
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 5: play tight end point and then they moved him, Like

2245
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 5: I feel confident he's coachable and I feel confident he

2246
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 5: could learn this and it is if it is a flaw, right,

2247
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 5: which I'm trusting you, right, it's a flaw because I

2248
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 5: can't see that stuff that I'm I'm betting on his

2249
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 5: history that that is something that can be good.

2250
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 2: Right.

2251
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: But I guess, like to me, like when I when

2252
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: I first watched him, I was like, lay up easy, right,

2253
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: And then you see some of these holes. You talk

2254
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 1: to guys of the combine and they bring that up,

2255
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, like unsolicited, like I'm not as high on

2256
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: them as other people, Like I like this player better.

2257
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 2: And it wasn't Fuaga.

2258
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Some people said to Mariusmims, you know what I mean,

2259
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: Like there it's and it's again. I think it goes

2260
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: back to the point of.

2261
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,799
Speaker 2: This exercise that this player specifically is. It's flavor, it's style,

2262
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 2: it's what you value and what you think you can coach. Right,

2263
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 2: Like the guy I was talking, he said, I don't

2264
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 2: think I can coach physicality in the run game.

2265
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: So who's he going to prioritize more. He's going to

2266
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: prioritize because Waga is going to eat you alive. Right,

2267
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: that's like his deal. You got penalties this year for

2268
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: being too too physical the run game. Some people say,

2269
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: I want guys that can vertical set. You're gonna prioritize

2270
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: various memps because we don't care about outsides on run.

2271
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: It's flavors right, Troy Ftane right, or his ability to

2272
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: move and play outsides on think about him with Kyle Shanahan,

2273
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: like on what he could do with him on screens

2274
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: and like it just it's this is just like the quarterback,

2275
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the receivers. Styles make fights, man, And

2276
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 1: I think however you see these players and however you

2277
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 1: value them within your organization is going to cause you

2278
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: a big board to look drastically different.

2279
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 4: So as someone who like I said, I'm a stickler

2280
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,560
Speaker 4: for the technique, like I'm not as worried about the

2281
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 4: foty time degree. I don't think as much as you

2282
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 4: because it's I feel like that's just I'm more curious

2283
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 4: if that's just like a habit because of coaching.

2284
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 7: If that's the case, then that should be it should

2285
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 7: be easy to fix.

2286
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: But to me, the thing that got me was when

2287
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: he went to this, when he went to the combine

2288
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 1: and they do a drill where they have to vertical

2289
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: set it's.

2290
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 7: A forty Remember, I think that's is that habit or

2291
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 7: that just because again I think.

2292
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: It's more of the more and I'm not disagreeing. But

2293
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: when I watch the film with Floago, he can forty five,

2294
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: you can vertical, he can jump, and so in terms

2295
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: of floor, and that was the comment you guys made,

2296
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I think has got to higher floor now in terms

2297
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: of ceiling, I don't think there's any argument. I think

2298
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: Joel has a higher ceiling, Okay, because I think for Waga,

2299
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: like he's got thirty three in Charms, he kind of

2300
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: is who he is as a player. Yeah, he can

2301
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: come in and start today, but he's going to be

2302
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: that guy his whole career, you know what I mean?

2303
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: And I think Joe All could progress into something so

2304
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 1: and that's why you're taking him as a top five

2305
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 1: guy in the draft.

2306
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2307
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 5: So, well it's three versus one, so we're right, you're wrong.

2308
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right. But I thought it was a

2309
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 2: good conversation. That'll know, it's a great conversation. That will

2310
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 2: probably change. That will probably change before the draft comes.

2311
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens.

2312
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 2: The more film you watch, the more opportunity you have

2313
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 2: to look.

2314
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 7: It can probably change all all our lists could change tomorrow.

2315
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, it almost changed that this morning,

2316
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 2: just to be clear, almost change that.

2317
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 5: I encourage our fans to make their own big boards here,

2318
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 5: like to go in right down. Yeah, compared to what

2319
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 5: we're doing, what others are doing, and yeah, it's a

2320
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 5: great exercise. Especially when all we do is talk about

2321
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks. It like helps you kind of like slide

2322
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 5: figure out where exactly they line up with the rest

2323
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 5: of the talent in the draft is there are positions

2324
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 5: that can get overlooked.

2325
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 3: But it also make your own big bulls shows you did.

2326
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 3: It's just not a lot of talent that.

2327
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 2: There's well, there's not a lot of surefires.

2328
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 3: When you started to go through it, you're like, Okay,

2329
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 3: how many dudes in this.

2330
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 7: A three day gamble?

2331
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that I come back

2332
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: with is like, there are talented things, but I think

2333
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: it's just important to identify the questions. Like Joe Walt

2334
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: is a great prospect, but I have questions about him.

2335
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 1: Woga is a great prospect, I have questions about him.

2336
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is a great prospect. Question I think I

2337
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: texted him, but I have questions, and if you go

2338
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: through everybody, maybe outside of Marvin Harrison Junior, you're gonna

2339
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: have pretty glarying questions about their ability to translate to

2340
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: the NFL level. And that's why this is such a

2341
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 1: That's why hit rate in the Draft is such a

2342
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: crafts show because it's not only how do I develop

2343
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback? But how do I develop an Amarius Mims?

2344
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, how do I make sure he's maximized to

2345
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: my system? And where's the location for that? And I

2346
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: keep going back to that, so fans, it's not about

2347
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: the guy, it's about how the guy fits the offensive

2348
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator vision for the team.

2349
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 3: Yah.

2350
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 5: It's like dating. Yeah, yeah, you find someone in there

2351
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 5: the questions are you okay with That's that? My wife

2352
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 5: she's perfect.

2353
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

2354
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 7: You can't get everybody.

2355
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 3: You can't date everybody.

2356
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: It is what it is, absolutely so I think that's

2357
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 1: going to do it for today. Thank you guys so

2358
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: much for joining the Ticket of the Draft podcast and

2359
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: make sure you tune in. Are we doing one next week?

2360
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: Is that we're doing We'll try We'll try to do

2361
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: one next week. Makes you tune in, Thanks guys.

2362
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 3: That's it.

2363
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 2: That's it